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Waco Biker Massacre: GQ Writer Paints a Picture of Likely Police Misconduct

With the police still withholding evidence, their behavior during and after the "biker massacre" and mass arrests still very suspicious.

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I've been reporting information that casts doubt on the official police story of what supposedly happened outside the Waco restaurant Twin Peaks back in May—a mad biker gun-firing melee shut down by brave cops—for months now.

A reporter from GQ who got to spend some face to face time down in the area with eyewitnesses tells pretty much the same story that seems likely to me: a situation where at best a shot or two from biker on biker led to a brutal police massacre of the innocent—9 dead, 18 wounded (GQ reports 20, but on the day of the event the reported wounded was 18)—followed by face-saving illegitimate arrests of 177.

Excerpts with comments, after reporter Nathaniel Penn delivers some interesting scene-setting explaining the background of the feuds and conflicts between area biker clubs the Bandidos and the Cossacks that likely at least began the violence outside a politically-oriented multi-club biker meeting, the Confederation of Clubs and Independents:

The police were already there as the rest of the clubs arrived that morning. "They're circling like buzzards on a dead deer," one biker told me. "I look at the people I was riding with, and I said, 'This don't look right.' " Afterward, said the Cossacks' John Wilson, "a Waco spokesman was touting the quick 40-second response time of the police, when that was obviously false. They were here."

The bikers believe this provides a clue to the Waco P.D.'s ongoing silence: The cops know their response was overzealous, possibly unlawful, and now they're covering it up. Some bikers believe there's an even more sinister explanation: that a firefight of some kind was supposed to happen—that it was all part of a plan by the Waco P.D. to provoke bitter rivals into a public brawl that could be violently crushed and then used as a basis for sweeping RICO indictments…..

Wilson: I didn't see who fired the first shot. I was told it was a Bandido firing into the ground, trying to break up a fistfight….

Anonymous motorcycle-club member: We heard a pop. Then a few more pops. Your feet start to act. There's pops from the rear, from the front, on the far side. It's like being in a war zone.

Anonymous Cossack #2: I heard projectiles zinging past me, but I didn't hear no gun going off. It was either a silenced weapon or a very suppressed weapon in the distance. I've never been so scared in my life….

Anonymous motorcycle-club member: Now, the first two or three pops—me and half my crew being ex-military, we know what small-arms fire from pistols sounds like. We also know what squad automatic weapons [typically used by the military and law enforcement] sound like. After the third pop, it was nothing but squad automatic weapons….

The police showed little care for the victims:

Wilson: Not a single law-enforcement person lifted a finger to help any of the wounded. And they made it pretty clear that they were going to be violent if we tried to take our guys to the ambulance. Three men were bleeding out before our eyes. If those men were still alive 30, 40 minutes after being shot, they could have been saved. A prospect named Trainer from out of Tarrant County chapter was shot. They zip-tied him and laid him on the ground next to a Bandido they had handcuffed. I noticed him jerk a few times, laying there. We were sitting there, 30 feet from him, and weren't able to help him. About two hours later, somebody walked over, looked at him, and covered him with a yellow sheet.

The official police narrative quickly became that this was an entire gathering of organized criminals who were wildly killing each other and shooting at cops, and the arrest of so many people there was buttressed with initial one million bonds set for everyone. And likely in order to justify that crazy, and soon reversed, decision:

The Texas Department of Public Safety did its part to ramp up hysteria, leaking a "confidential bulletin" to CNN alleging that Bandidos in active military service were arming their chapters with grenades and C4 explosives so that they could retaliate against the police. One of the DPS's sources was a club called the Black Widows, which does not exist except in the 1978 movie Every Which Way But Loose. In response, one biker blog jeered: "Waco Police Now Claim They Are Being Attacked by Clint Eastwood and An Orangutan Named Clyde."

Some on the scene claim that some supposed Cossacks were in fact undercover cops who even took off their club colors and began behaving as police in the middle of the chaos.

According to Waco police chief Brent Stroman, only three of his 16 officers discharged their weapons, firing a total of 12 rounds. But eyewitnesses dispute that figure, as does the owner of the adjacent Don Carlos restaurant, who has claimed that "thousands of bullet rounds" were fired. Could it be that the department's numbers don't include shots from its undercover officers? And if the bikers were firing at police, as alleged, why hasn't the Waco P.D. released any hard evidence to prove it?

"Harried handgun fights are usually a pretty inaccurate situation," says Cossacks chapter president John Wilson. "Head shots happen by mistake, if at all. Someone got lucky. To have that many guys hit with torso shots and head shots—in my experience, I would say that indicates you had trained people with long rifles and optical sights. That's accurate, aimed fire." 

A rival Bandido, who declined to be named, reached the same conclusion: "Seven of the nine [dead] were head shots or chest shots. Who trains for that? Who?"

The rest of the story is about the level of stress the mass arrests put on the Waco jail and court system, and how many of the likely completely innocent men had their professional lives ruined by being locked up for weeks on suspicion of being part of mass murder.

Anonymous motorcycle-club member: When you get out of jail after being gone for 30 days, you don't have a job anymore. I got fired. Nobody wants to hire an electrician with a class 1 felony charge pending above his head.

There is a chance for real justice for the likely illegitimately arrested:

"The city of Waco is looking at paying out hundreds of millions of dollars," says Michael White, Wilson's attorney. "I don't think we've ever seen something on the scale of 175-plus people being arrested for something they did not do." To survive the storm, the city's legal strategy seems to be to pressure the Waco 177 into pleading guilty to minor infractions for time served; this would preclude the bikers from being able to sue for wrongful imprisonment.

Of course, the bad cliches about small town justice hang over the scene; 

The judge in the case, Matt Johnson, is the former law partner of district attorney Abel Reyna. Incredibly, the foreman of the first grand jury to be convened, James Head, is a Waco P.D. detective. "He was chosen totally at random, like the law says," Reyna insisted to local reporters. If this seems brazen, consider that the commission to appoint jurors was originally going to be led by Reyna's own father. Reyna only backed down under pressure, acquiescing to the process that led to Head's selection. Asked why he'd permit an active police officer to lead a grand jury investigating possible police misconduct, state district judge Ralph Strother said, "I just thought, 'Well, he's qualified. He knows the criminal-justice system.' "

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  1. It’s hard to trust the narrative when as a group the po-po’s first instinct is usually some hyperbole or outright lies. Especially WRT the WODs or any perceived outlaw culture.

    1. As usual, the ones who truly are the bad guys are the cops.

      You have to wonder if people will start taking NWA’s song Kill The Police more and more seriously. Why would a decent person ever want to work for the police? We would all be better off policing ourselves.

      1. It’s becoming painfully apparent that decent people don’t work for the police.

    2. The cops must be trying to cover up their tracks. They are usually up to no good!

  2. The cops know their response was overzealous, possibly unlawful, and now they’re covering it up.

    And they’ll get away with it, too. Between having one of their own head up the grand jury (as if that would even be necessary) on the criminal side and only taxpayers being on the hook on the civil side, you won’t see any accountability for law enforcement happening here.

    1. I disagree. 177 biker arrests is too much for a small town like Waco to keep under control. Even if only 10% of the bikers have the resources to pursue this, that will blow things up. Waco has a good chance of going bankrupt over this. That prospect will make them even more desperate to cover things up, probably try to get the state government involved, which just open sup more opportunity for leaks.

  3. Remember, even if they don’t kill you instantly they will let you die before rendering aide.

    OT:
    Just checking in from RAINPOCALYPSE!!!!!! 15, the sun is actually out right now. Our local government did have to warn people not to drive through flooded areas though. Being on the coast, we have a lot of little inlets and swashes etc. that always overflow when it rains hard, yet someone always attempts to drive through it and stalls.

    1. You’re in Maryland?

        1. Ah yes. Well today will be a good day for you to stay inside and devour that Netflix queue. Stay dry.

        2. NC here – days of dire predictions, reality of a few puddles.

          1. I have been residing in Charlotte this week. Other than a weather resemblance to Seatle it has been uneventfull. However listening to the broadcast mammals one would think I should’ve brought Florida Man’s airboat

            1. Just cold and damp here in NYC – is one pleasant fall day too much to ask for :-{

              1. It cold and damp in Columbus too. Supposed to be nice day tomorrow though.

              2. The rain stopped just in time for Bronx Warriors games this AM. In the 2nd game, 10:30, in the JPW div., we (Cardinals) beat the Jets 21-0. All the scoring was in the 1st half, then the mercy rules kicked in.

            2. Mr. Lizard, yeah, people did freak out. Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay.

            3. Started chilly here a mile high, but as usual, the sun came out and it’s gorgeous.

          2. First beautiful day in two weeks on Ocracoke, NC.

            1. I blame global warming.

              1. Buu$$h? Oh, I did that wrong.

          3. When we get that same thing in Houston we get to watch the newbie weather people at the news stations in their Lands End survival gear standing in 1/2 inch water acting like the wind is about to blow them away.

            Once a newbie was strong enough that he made the camerman show a little puddle with ripples blowing across it. It was so shallow you could see the grass underneath. He went bombastic about how the wind was whipping up the waters ( we live on the water on the gulf coast) and the waves were putting us in danger and on and on. “take cover” he said.

            We never saw the guy on TV again.

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  5. Can you say “blatant”, boys and girls?

    Every individual aspect is a shiny nugget of officials gone feral. More than the sum of its parts, the entire compressed shitshow becomes a massive predatory hydra demanding sacrificial victims as it masturbates in a mirror.

    1. Why Hamster,

      How very Agile of you.

    2. Did you mean the cops went feral or federal not sure if it makes much of a difference as Waco was the site Federal massacre as well.

    3. (nods head in agreement, takes another Quaalude)

      1. Gimme one ?

  6. I’m surprised no one had video. Motorcycle gang members don’t use smart phones?

    1. Without video who knows what happened. I don’t trust the cops and it sounds like there are pretty big discrepancies with the official line. That doesn’t mean I trust the bikers either. Not trusting cops or bikers is usually a pretty good decision.

      1. Given the level of intimidation both sides are capable of it’s hard to say if 3rd parties are been totally honest. I guess it really comes down to matching stories to physical evidence and who controls the evidence.

    2. according to Sons of Anarchy, they don’t. It was always flip phones. Probably easier to dispose of and replace. But it was also a television show.

      1. Always prepaid. Disposible.

    3. Might take a pretty cool character to pull out a smart phone and video when the lead is zinging around ones ears.

    1. Very bad, Radley. I am disappoint.

      One of those things is not like the other.

    2. First line: possible sarc?

  7. WOW, there’s a nice nut punch to start my day.

  8. The CNN report mentioned in the story.

    Another piece of top-notch journalism, instantly reporting every rumor to be first to fill air time.

  9. I’m perfectly willing to believe that the fuzz acted inappropriately here- even caused this bloodbath. But there is no proof on either side. The only hard evidence- that a bunch of people were shot in the head and torso- is not conclusive given that the same people claiming “Only military/police (Stormtrooper) shots are so precise” are themselves admittedly military trained. If a bunch of the bikers were trained in the military, they could have similar performance- especially if their experience includes the city fighting that punctuated a lot of the Iraq War.

    Autopsies and crime scene evidence is all that would show whether deaths were caused by rifle or small arms fire and whether or not shell casings from the scene back up the idea that shots were being fired from afar.

    Given that the Police were responsible for gathering and keeping evidence at the scene, I don’t see how any truth will come to light. Those were icky bikers who died and the public just doesn’t care. All we have is He Said vs She Said and people are going to believe the police, unless (as on this site) they have reason to believe the police are lying sacks of shit.

    I don’t see how this ever gets resolved unless some cop comes clean.

    1. ” they could have similar performance”

      But I think it’s true that the bikers didn’t have long guns and only on TV westerns do people with pistols make 50 yard shots at a bulleye.

  10. The cops just letting people die (of course this not being the first time) makes me see red. You can be an asshole sack of shit, whatever, but having so little regard for a life that you won’t let anyone else render aid either is so fucking inhuman. Monsters.

    1. You know who else would be content to just let people die in the streets?…

      1. Reptiles?

        1. Well ya, it’s a pass time

      2. Certainly not libertarians, but only because there would be no streets to die in.

        Correct?

        1. Damnit, you got me on that one. My trap has been foiled

        2. No PUBLICLY FUNDED streets, that is.

          There would be plenty of privately-funded streets to die on–it’s not like demand for paved road surfaces dries up when gov’t isn’t around to direct allocation of taxpayer dollars to cronies.

  11. “According to Waco police chief Brent Stroman, only three of his 16 officers discharged their weapons, firing a total of 12 rounds. But eyewitnesses dispute that figure, as does the owner of the adjacent Don Carlos restaurant, who has claimed that “thousands of bullet rounds” were fired.”

    If there were thousands of rounds fired, I don’t care how well the police cleaned up the parking lot, there should be a lot of rounds in the general area. It would be interesting to look at those rounds.

    Bikers don’t carry long guns. They can’t be concealed while you’re riding on a bike.

    Why not have the bodies of the people that died of head shots exhumed? If there weren’t any autopsies done (and why would you autopsy someone that died of a gunshot wound to the head?), then the bullets may still be in their heads. How big was the entry wound?

    Is it .223 ammo? Is it a rifle round?

    1. If .223 most, if not all rounds would be through-and-through, with large expansion cavity, and any head shots would likely have explosive exit wounds.

      1. If they went through-and-through, then some of those spent rounds must be in the area somewhere. I bet the cops prefer fragmentation because over penetration would be a real problem for them in a lot of situations.

        Anyway, if as many rounds were fired as the witnesses are reporting, there’s no way the police could have found and accounted for all of those rounds. There have to be some in the general area embedded in trees or the ground or what have you.

        1. over penetration would be a real problem for them

          How do you figure. I mean, sure, some “bystanders” might catch a bullet, but if they didn’t want to catch a bullet, they shouldn’t have been downrange of a cop, amirite?

    2. The autopsies should provide a wealth of evidence, assuming the reports are ever released.

      1. There was a preliminary/partial autopsy report released. It said basically that every wound was either from a .223 range bullet, or a shotgun. Lots of fragmented rounds, consistent with .223 rifles. Not a single intact round; handguns usually leave intact rounds.

        1. And like I said, no biker carries anything that fires a .223 round. There is nowhere to hide a long gun if you rode somewhere on a bike.

        2. The reports I read said something about all the entrance holes being very small comparable to .223.

          none were .45 or .357 pistol rounds IIRC.

  12. Just random commentary: always been a little amused at the idea of grown ass men in gangs fighting over turf and “respect”. Got a buddy in an MC and I made the terrible mistake of calling it a gang once, to which he responded, “it’s a club!” Riiiight, cause that makes it sound more mature.

    1. I mean, unless they are a no- shit criminal organization, what’s the point other than just emulating the real OMGs…

      1. I mean, it’s for the same reason people join bowling leagues… To manufacture and distribute crystal meth.

        1. Nothing wrong with that.

      2. Well the gangs like the ones in this story are no shit criminal organizations. There are motorcycle clubs that have nothing to do with turf fighting and that sort of thing. They go on rides together and even put on charity events for their local communities. Bad apples to oranges.

        1. I think these clubs probably had a sizable criminal element.

          Which is irrelevant to whether the cops are entitled to massacre them like this.

          1. Agreed but it relevant to their credibility. Not that the cops are any more credible.

    2. Motorcycle clubs aren’t criminal organizations. They are organizations that has criminals in them. Kinda like the Republican and Democrat Parties.

      1. bingo

        Chuse yur priz

  13. “The judge in the case, Matt Johnson, is the former law partner of district attorney Abel Reyna. Incredibly, the foreman of the first grand jury to be convened, James Head, is a Waco P.D. detective. “He was chosen totally at random, like the law says,” Reyna insisted to local reporters. If this seems brazen, consider that the commission to appoint jurors was originally going to be led by Reyna’s own father. Reyna only backed down under pressure, acquiescing to the process that led to Head’s selection. Asked why he’d permit an active police officer to lead a grand jury investigating possible police misconduct, state district judge Ralph Strother said, “I just thought, ‘Well, he’s qualified. He knows the criminal-justice system.’ “

    Somebody help me understand jury tampering.

    Jury tampering is the crime of unduly attempting to influence the composition and/or decisions of a jury during the course of a trial.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_tampering

    Is that a federal offence, or is it handled by the State of Texas?

    Maybe those jackasses at the U.S. Attorney’s Office who wasted the taxpayers’ time and money hassling commenters at Hit & Run should try investigating something like this instead.

    1. Say they’re being honest about the Waco detective being chosen at random. Wouldn’t common sense and PR nous push you to ask him to step aside?

      1. Waco detective chosen at random as in randomly chosen from a pool of police officers?

    2. “state district judge Ralph Strother said, “I just thought, ‘Well, he’s qualified. He knows the criminal-justice system.’ “”

      Is that a woodchipper I hear.

      1. Yeah. So would a multiple felon.

        Anyway, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

        You people should chill out.

    3. Judges enjoy complete immunity. They can literally do whatever they want.

      1. Aren’t we talking about the D.A.?

        1. They also enjoy complete immunity.

          1. Are they immune from rotating blades?

  14. I’m not ordinarily sympathetic to so-called “biker” culture, but it really does sound like these guys got the shaft from a corrupt administration down there in Waco. Its important to remember that anything the state can do to them, it can do to you or me, tomorrow.

  15. Who, I ask, who could stand to benefit from this bald-faced charade?

    The judge in the case, Matt Johnson, is the former law partner of district attorney Abel Reyna. Incredibly, the foreman of the first grand jury to be convened, James Head, is a Waco P.D. detective. “He was chosen totally at random, like the law says,” Reyna insisted to local reporters. If this seems brazen, consider that the commission to appoint jurors was originally going to be led by Reyna’s own father. Reyna only backed down under pressure, acquiescing to the process that led to Head’s selection.

  16. Judge Johnson was overheard to say “Supper’s waiting at home and I gotta get to it”.

    1. “Whereas I have a ham dinner with mayonnaise waiting for me at my mansion, I find the defendant guilty. Santa Claus, I hereby sentence you to be executed at sundown.”

    2. Texas not Georgia and just how many people do you think know that line? Though I would not take the bet on Waco cops being on the portly side.

      1. Maybe in the past.

        These days most cops everywhere, except the old ones waiting for retirement, are young steroid rage weightlifting ex Afghanistan and Iraq vets.

        I have a young friend on the local PD. He is not ex military.He is my fishing buddy and I trust he tells me the truth.

        He says he has guys on his force who are known crazies. There are certain ones who most of the others will not go in front of on a hot entrance because they are trigger happy. Get this, the cops themselves know their lives are in danger if the are in fron tof a trigger happpy ex military cop. He goes on to say that the rest feel like since the rules of engagement were stricter in AAfghanistan and Iraq than they are here in the US that some of them are getting their frustrations out for their time in the sandbox.

        It makes sense to me but I’m not a physcologist nor do I play one at Reason.

        1. I am 45 I remember way back when civilian police had some common sense. But slowly they were replaced with cops that were hired based on military experience. Being from a military family I can tell you there is no sane reason to give a civilian police job to a former military police officer.

          slowly the respectable uniforms and Sam brown belts got replaced with jump suits, ballistic nylon belts and combat holsters.

          When the Boston bombing happened you saw the video the local PD came out in full battle rattle and started going door to door like they just dropped into Fallujah with as much respect for the 4th Amendment. To be honest I do not teach my kids to trust or respect police, as I see it most cops are just another violent street gang. And I am not buying there are mostly good cops, because there are a lot of bad ones and if the good cops are not working to get rid of them then they are not good cops, just accessories after the fact.

          I am sure only 3 cops fired on the bikers probably because they are the 3 that had select fire weapons and the rest are just accomplices working to protect the cops that crossed the line.

  17. a situation where at best a shot or two from biker on biker led to a brutal . . . massacre of the innocent?9 dead, 18 wounded.

    See? This is why we need common sense gun safety laws. This is what happens when civilians are armed and someone starts shooting – they panic fire and injure and kill others. Only trained professionals should have firearms.

    End Posse Commitatus.

  18. From what I can see, there is very little evidence supporting the cop version, and lots of evidence contradicting it.

    To me, this looks like a straight up mass murder. The now-traditional refusal of the cops to let anyone provide medical aid to people who the cops shot but failed to kill outright is merely the cherry on top.

    To me, the evidence that convicts the cops is that every single bullet wound was either from a rifle or a shotgun. No bikers had rifles or shotguns in that parking lot. There is no evidence, that I know of, that a single shot was fired by anyone other than a cop.

    If an organized group of heavily armed men firing into a crowd of civilians isn’t a massacre, I don’t know what is.

    Justice would mean lots of cops doing hard time.

    We aren’t going to see justice.

    1. Looking back over Brian’s reporting, it looks like there are credible eyewitness accounts of one or two pistol shots before the rapid-fire barrage of rifle shots. Who fired the pistols, is a mystery.

      1. I find it easy to believe that the cops showed up ready for a big firefight between the two gangs, and possibly even intending to massacre them if one broke out. Once shots got fired, even in the manner that the bikers describe (i.e. one guy firing into the ground to break up a fist fight), the cops unload, and then realize after the dust settles that the situation looks a little bad and a story needs to be concocted.

        Trouble being, so *many* different scenarios *could be* true, and the players on both sides are so inherently untrustworthy that despite the situation being unambiguously an inappropriate use of force on the part of the police, I think you are correct that no real consequences will come of it. It’s almost too big to make an issue out of. Like farting loudly in front of the Queen. Everyone just ignores it and moves on.

        1. the cops unload, and then realize after the dust settles that the situation looks a little bad and a story needs to be concocted.

          All cop stories are concocted. Even when the truth will suffice, they are compelled to lie by omission, exaggeration, and fabrication.

      2. Wouldn’t surprise me if the pistol shots were a signal from the undercover cops to their buddies to start shooting.

        1. Also plausible.

        2. or to provide a “reason” for the cops to open up.

    2. No, we’re not. One day something like this is going to happen and it’s going to result in a crowd of angry citizens opening fire on the cops from all directions, or a police station being carbombed, or both. Hey, not threatening – just stating a simple fact: people will not put up with murder and abuse from the authorities forever and ever and not lift a finger.

      That’s why it’s important that these criminals be arrested, tried for their crimes in open court and given the harshest sentences possible. Otherwise, a day will come when some bereaved person who has just lost a child/sibling/spouse to police violence might start thinking it was long past time someone made those bastards suffer the way they are suffering. When that happens, the boot-lickers will wish for a return to the good old days of lawsuits and the occasional riot.

  19. I keep hearing about the wounds from the autopsies.

    How about some photos of all the guns confiscated from the bikers? The cops would have those, wouldn’t they? The knives? Chains? Wounded cops?

    The first report I heard the cops were claiming a biker riot fighting with guns, knives and chains. Then I found out the chains were actually wallet chains. That is when I knew the cops were lying their asses off.

    War. On. Cops.

    1. This is one of the links from the first graf, but I didn’t label what each one was about specifically: this is pretty thorough on the autopsy and the general quality of the indictments of the arrested, hit the hyperlink in that graf on “official police story”

  20. Wasn’t there surveillance video from the restaurant?

    1. Yes. 9 cameras. All over which the police confiscated for their “investigation” and have not released. [If memory serves, they allowed a few people to review them behind closed doors, under a court-version of an NDA].

  21. Officers deliberately murdering innocents? In WACO? Gimme a break…

    1. Seems to be a tradition, huh?

      “Welcome to the 5th Annual Waco Law Enforcement Fish-in-a-Barrel Shoot! Please turn off your body cams and place them in that locker over there; the line to the BBQ starts right over there next to the row of MRAPs…”

  22. SIC EM BEARS?

  23. Semi-related:

    I gave to the Puppycide* kickstarter, and got an update today.

    It will be shown at the Austin Film Festival.

    https://austinfilmfestival.com/

    *Puppycide is a documentary on cops shooting dogs, and has been renamed “Of Dogs & Men”.

    1. That link sucked. I kept reading about badges and buying badges and after all this talk about killer cops I fet scared.

      I need a safe room and a puppy but then that might attract cops so I better find a kitten.

      Cats are harder to shoot than a dog that just wants lick your hand and play with a ball..

      1. Might want to reconsider the kitten back in the 90s the BATF raided the home of a gun show promoter in Arizona, a female BATF agent stomped a 9 week old kitten to death, in her report she explained the incident as the kitten attacked her and she defended herself. You know it is very effective when you choke a person to death or just need an excuse to keep hitting them with your ASP if you repeatedly shout ” Stop resisting”

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  26. Squad automatic weapons? Seriously? M249 full-automatic SAWs?

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