Police Abuse

Asthmatic Father Dies After Police Hogtie Him Face Down on Disorderly Conduct Charge

Even the pettiest encounters with police can and often do end in pointless death.


Yet another grim tale of a dumb encounter with cops resulting in mistreatment of a prisoner resulting in a death sentence for disorderly conduct, out of Tennessee, via Huffington Post.

HuffPo via Tim Edwards

Troy Goode, a 30-year-old father, was being driven home apparently intoxicated from a Dave Matthews Band Widespread Panic concert by his wife, and for reasons unknown got out of the car in a shopping center parking lot and began wandering about.

For reasons equally unknown someone called the cops at the sight of a wandering drunk. When the cops came, Goode is said to have allegedly opened the door of a K9 car without permission then tried to run from the cops.

Naturally they hogtied him facedown on an ambulance stretcher.

As Huffington Post reported:

While paramedics loaded Goode into the back of the ambulance, a bystander can be heard saying, "They've hogtied him. That's such a bad idea." Seconds later, another witness can be heard saying, "Video it, just in case he dies."

Goode was transported to a local hospital. Two hours later, his family was notified that he had died. 

Hat tip: Tybus

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  1. Needs more Trump.

  2. But what does Trump think?

    1. What do Millenials think Trump thinks?


        1. The greatest trick Trump ever pulled was convincing the world he exists.

          1. If he were to win the White House would he put his name on it?

    2. Trump thinks police states are both good and not good. In fact, until a couple of years ago he didn’t even know what police were.

      1. Not a bad answer for a man who was a Democrat until a few months ago.

  3. “Seconds later, another witness can be heard saying, “Video it, just in case he dies.”

    I don’t know if I should be glad that enough people are waking up to police abuse, or pissed that people actually need to say this.

    1. They should have called the police to report an attempted murder…

    2. I think “glad-pissed” is a viable emotional option at this point.

  4. Sooooo… medals all around, right?

    Why were the paramedics ok with this arrangement? Too terrified of the cops to say anything?

    1. What, exactly, is the job of a paramedic in Tennessee?

    2. I wonder what they’d been told about the violent schizophrenic drunk police tied up for them.

      1. A police spokesperson told Fox13 News that the department suspects Goode was under the influence of “LSD or something similar.”

        HE WAS ON PCP

        1. LSD… and running… not a good mix in my experience… I mean, guess…

        2. Broke every bone in his hand and wouldn’t feel it for hours.

        3. Well, I suppose that justifies killing him, you inhuman pieces of shit.

          1. You betcha! Those poor cops must’ve feared for their lives!

        4. So suspected of being on drugs = hogtying and potential death by cop. Got it.

          1. No,

            peasant = hogtying and potential death by cop.

            1. no,

              swine = hogtying and potential death by cop

              silly animal, you think you’re people? HA

      2. I hate when I have to do anesthesia on prisoners and the cops want to talk to me like we’re on the same team. I don’t care what the guy is in for. Everybody gets the best care I can provide no matter what. The good news is as soon as I put them out I make the cops leave.

        1. Why? So you can take a hit too? We’re on to you, *Florida Man*.

        2. You’re not on the same team? But both of you protect life?


  5. Home safe.


  6. I’m not sure armed, potentially threatening suspects should be killed, let alone someone who, at worse, might try to get away. What murders did he commit again that they had to use lethal force to subdue him (in effect)?

    1. how were they supposed to know those known to be potentially lethal actions were potentially lethal?

      1. In torts, you’re screwed if you commit unjustified battery and it turns out your victim was particularly susceptible to that form of battery and dies/gets seriously fucked up. Why aren’t the cops held to the same standard? Seriously, why not? We’d be better off letting every single one of these nonviolent “criminals” run away than in killing even one of them.

        1. because they have a 007 license to kill!

          1. Yes, apparently, that is the case. Must be written on the other side of the state constitutions.

            1. well, it was written in lemon juice, so you have to hold a lamp up to it to read it.

              1. Hey, that’s not lemon juice!

        2. “Why aren’t the cops held to the same standard?”

          You must be new to this planet.

  7. Way to bury the lede. He was drunk. IN PUBLIC. Where he could come into contact with women. AND children. This is SPECIFICALLY what the disturbing the peace ordinances were designed to protect against.

    If someone who is incapacitated by drink cannot be held to any consent he (tee hee) or she gives to sexual contact, can one be held accountable for other drunken actions?

    1. Lacy Green (I think that’s her name?some social justice youtuber) makes the hilariously oblivious analogy between driving drunk and drunkenly giving consent. Apparently, in Lacy Green’s world, drunk drivers are not responsible for their behavior behind the wheel.

      She also chooses to withhold that standard from men, to nobody’s surprise.

      1. I got a DUI 3 years ago when I got blackout drunk and decided to drive home–something I know is stupid and irresponsible but for some reason did anyway. However, I assumed full responsibility because I chose to drive to the bar and chose to drink too much. So, I was fully responsible for putting myself into the situation that enabled my criminal act to happen. But what do I know? I’m just some guy who prefers to be treated like an adult rather than an unaccountable child.

        1. Precisely this.

          I used to manage an office for a couple lawyers. DUI was their bread and butter. We did hundreds a year. I never saw a more contrite bunch of mugs passing through the office. DVs, not so much. But our DUI clients absolutely took responsibility for their screwup. Somehow that attitude doesn’t translate to drunken hookups and the like.

          1. Yes. I don’t blame anyone else and consider myself lucky that no one else was involved or injured (or worse). And I made permanent changes to my lifestyle to make sure I’m never in that situation again. Unlike some people I learn from my mistakes.

    2. He was a white male. He is accountable for ALL actions

      1. EVER!

      2. He’s also accountable for the actions of others because they are obviously his fault due to his privilege.

    3. At common law, drunkenness was only a defense to so-called “specific intent crimes”, meaning crimes where one of the elements is the specific intent to perform some action or cause some result.

      Rule of thumb: If there’s an element of the crime which begins “with the intent to…”, it’s usually a specific intent offense.

  8. HOG TIED. Not that we need any more evidence that we’re being treated like farm animals (e.g. sheep) but here it is, nevertheless.

  9. Delivering a swift punch to the nuts. Well done, Brian.

    1. I know. I feel bad for declaring the weakness of yesterdays shot to the gonads… It’s almost like I killed him.

  10. He’s not black. I suspect this will be the last we hear of Mr Goode.

    1. If you say Mr. Goode’s life matters, you’re a racist.

  11. Why would the Huffington Post report on this? Haven’t they received the memo that only Black lives matter?

    1. Man dies, mother and child hurt most.

      1. Well, that’s his fault for dying!

        1. If he had planned responsibly for the future…

          1. Do life insurance policies cover Death by Cop? Seems like they wouldn’t since it could be considered analogous to suicide.

  12. Something something better training blah blah blah.

    The cops involved, at the very least, should be fired, right? If I were a police chief, and some cops on my squad couldn’t handle a drunk guy after a Widespread Panic concert without killing him, I wouldn’t want them patrolling the streets or backing up my other officers.

    Did (or will) anything else happen?

    1. Did (or will) anything else happen?

      Cops will get to play “Angry Birds” on their phones while sitting in a “training” class.

      1. Good. Hopefully they can expense an expansion pack so they don’t get bored.

      2. That’s completely unfair.

        Some of them might be playing Candy Crush or Game of War.

  13. His family’s settlement, if invested prudently, should be sufficient to pay off their mortgage and his son’s private school and college tuition.


    1. It’s not unthinkable, if he really was coming down off something like the police suggest (and given that he’s a 30-year-old returning home from a concert, that doesn’t seem outlandish), that his behavior was erratic. So once again we’ve a well-meaning and perhaps anxious observer doing what she or he had been taught is proper, and seeks to render help via 911. So far, no problems. But the cops show up and proceed to treat the man like a loose steer, and the man ends up dead. There’s the problem.

      1. Until the percentage of the population that distrusts the police reaches 80-95%, there’s still going to be a “good samaritan” calling them when it’s not absolutely a matter of life and death.

      2. The odds of him being on LSD is low, but if he was, hog-tying him seems the worst way to deal with it.
        You ask what he has taken. Tell him you want to help, and if he gives you the drugs, you promise you won’t have to arrest him.

        Take drugs and secure them, then arrest and hogtie the doper. Just because you don’t have to arrest him doesn’t mean you don’t want to arrest him. Take drugs home and test with “Dark Side of the Moon.”

        Next morning, take hogtied doper to ER.

  14. What will it take to change things? Is it even possible? Must all change be local? Can it be? Can a strong leader take on this trend and end it?

    Has this always been going on, we just know about it now?

    It makes me hate… and we no where hate leads.

    1. Abolishing police unions would go a long way. Second, bar taxpayers from paying settlements, and insist on trials.

      1. “bar taxpayers from paying settlements, and insist on trials.”


        1. I would vote for this.

      2. The one thing I’ll say about this is that if we didn’t fund these settlements, the families of their victims would generally end up getting nothing.

        I’m willing to fund the settlements if those settlements came out of the PD’s budget. You have to fire a few cops or cut back on stuff because your budget is drained from settlements? Too bad. Maybe you should’ve trained your cops to act like human beings. Failing that, they can come out of the pension fund (your pension’s cut or gone? Too bad. Blame your fellow cops.)

        1. That was my thought. If these aren’t funded by the citizens, then the cops are never going to pay. I guess you could require some type of professional liability insurance, a la malpractice insurance… paid for by the cop out of his check before taxes…

          but I don’t know if that would make it worse knowing they’re covered. I think criminal prosecution is the only answer.

      3. Second, bar taxpayers from paying settlements, and insist on trials.

        Why? So if you get murdered by some judgment-proof mf the city uses as a paid goon, you’ll be left holding the bag? There aren’t enough libertarians, let alone anarchists, to absolve taxpayers of their responsibility for this shit. 99% of them want policing. If I have to be part of the unfortunate 1% who helps compensate the victims of the rest, well, it sucks to be me, but I’d rather pay for that than for any of the other shit I’m stuck with anyway.

        1. Are you really just Ernie Banks’ Ghost?

        2. No, so the judgements have to come out of the police pension fund. They’ll chill the fuck out real fast in that scenario.

          1. Better yet, instead of money, hold a lottery among the offending department’s officers and the ‘winner’ is to be killed like in the Shirley Jackson story ‘The Lottery’.

      4. I second this opinion. And third it. I’m a criminal justice major, looking to be a cop, so that means I count more as a human being, peasant.

    2. What will it take to change things?

      Armed revolution.

      Is it even possible?

      Yes, but not very likely. As long as the middle class is free to yuk it up in suburbia, there won’t be any popular uprising.

      Must all change be local? Can it be? Can a strong leader take on this trend and end it?

      I’d say regional. Change on a local level will be fleeting. A strong leader will run up against more opposition than Scott Walker did in trying to go after the teacher’s union.

      Has this always been going on, we just know about it now?

      I dunno. I think it always has to some extent, but I also get the feeling that cops are more brazen today than they were in the 50s.

      1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Theses

        5.Calls for “abolition of the police, the army, and the bureaucracy” and for “the salaries of all officials, all of whom are elective and displaceable at any time, not to exceed the average wage of a competent worker.”

        Makes me feel real optimistic.

        And your subpoena is in the mail…

      2. I dunno. I think it always has to some extent, but I also get the feeling that cops are more brazen today than they were in the 50s.

        Maybe it seems that way. I have the sense that, back in the 50’s, people were more likely to say “You break the law, you deserve whatever you get.” in cases like these. Not where the guy dies, but if the cops rough the guy up.

        1. I think its more

          1. Fewer cops in the 50’s.
          2. Slower response times means that most of these ‘criminals’ get away simply because they wandered off before the cop shows up
          3. The violence was kept to those who couldn’t afford to fight back
          4. Far less ability to record an objective record of events and spread it nationally.

          *Not* due to some major shift in policing between the 50’s and today.

      3. I feel that everyone i forgetting how a lot of the cops were part of the KKK in the 50s… they were too busy with the black people to worry about those pesky people breaking minor laws.

    3. Yoda: “Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

      1. Suffering leads to chipping.

        1. If only.

          1. not with that attitude it won’t

  15. Next up: Widow gets settlement money from taxpayers. No one admits guilt. Cops get another paid vacation day for “training”.

    After that, business as usual until the next innocent is killed.

    Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    1. Never understood this settlement business using taxpayers money. I mean can I skill someone and then just pay compensation to spouse and go home ?

  16. Black Lives Matter.

    1. Yes they do.

    2. O’Malley?

    3. Only Black Lives Matter. Unless they’re Conservative or unborn, in which case fuck ’em!

    4. Oh, really?

      Not in NYC: “More black babies aborted than born in New York City”


      When a “culture” or “community” aborts more than they birth, that is one sick bunch.

  17. At least the officers went home safely.

  18. Steven Hayne is gone right? If not then there’s no need to await the results of the Mississippi State Medical Examiner’s autopsy.

    1. Hayne is gone, much to the regret of many prosecutors who loved his oh-so reliable testimony.

  19. The dreary muck at the murky bottoms of the gene pool produces some of the finest examples of professional retardation since that one fucker Coalemus.

  20. too fucking bad, only black lives matter

  21. I’m mostly curious about why the cops were called. Let’s be honest, the cops’ reaction isn’t all that shocking.

  22. And of course the cops commands the guy who’s recording to stop. Can’t have police doing their jobs in public being recorded now, can we?

  23. #AsthmaticLivesMatter

  24. But a hero went home safely tonight…

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  26. Pretty sure that when I was a medic, I was specifically forbidden to hogtie combative patients and lay them facedown on stretchers precisely because of the risk of positional asphyxia. Everyone in this scenario should be charged with gross or criminal negligence, whichever it’s called in their jurisdiction.
    Incidentally, I almost giggled while peeking at one of my sons’ Hardy Boys novels yesterday. There was s scene in which the criminal runs away from police and the chief fires a couple of warning shots in the air. It was just so adorably quaint.

  27. intoxicated people get placed face down because they could vomit and choke to death if face up. especially during transportation.

    As with the obese Eric Garner in NYC,this guy did it to himself,when he got unruly.
    People are really irrational (stupid) these days,they get mouthy,think they can resist arrest and not get treated roughly.

    1. Actually, being put face down is as bad as lying on your back when drunk.

      Regardless of the outcomes, the officers acted with negligence. Garner was subdued, and there was no need to apply a chokehold to asphyxiate a person who is already restrained.

      And isn’t the point of having a police force to have tense situations resolved with the minimal amount of force? If we want law enforcement that shoots indiscriminately and uses force recklessly, we could just assemble a group of willing volunteers with guns.

      1. “If we want law enforcement that shoots indiscriminately and uses force recklessly, we could just assemble a group of willing volunteers with guns.”

        You know, sometimes I wonder if that would be better. I’m thinking that the majority of citizens would exercise SOME degree of caution since they know they will be doing hard time if they kill someone unjustifiably.

    2. Hm, yes, being unruly is certainly cause for public summary execution. Well said, Jay.

    3. Fuck off, slaver

  28. Well, if he didn’t want to die, he shouldn’t have been drunk /sarc

  29. Cuz poor drunk people are easier to beat up than politically connected (read “rich”) people with lawyers.

  30. “I CAN’T BREATHE!” “I CAN’T BREATHE!” C’mon, let’s start a mass protest!

    Oh wait, it was a white dude?

    Carry on. We only care about police violence when it can be used to further kultur warrz


    1. But isn’t this the fault of white people, too? I am annoyed by the narrative that acts like only blacks are being killed by police, because it’s absolutely false. But at the same time, I am disgusted by the amount of indifference the average white person gives to police killing anyone.

      “Oh well he shouldn’t have done that.”
      “Oh well he was clearly being disrespectful and brought this on himself.”
      “Just another criminal! Doesn’t affect *my* life at all!”

      I feel like we aren’t going to get real reform until we get a video tape of a police officer brutally murdering a blonde white girl.

  31. So someone once again opposes a video being taken of a public servant at work? WTF!? I guess they didn’t get the memo. First amendment, bitches!

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