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Did Rand Paul Betray His Criminal Justice Reform Outreach on Baltimore?

Baltimore riots do complicate the rhetoric of criminal justice reform.

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Two different writers pretty savvy about the politics of what politicians say and do have dinged Paul for allegedly muffing an opportunity regarding the Baltimore riots and Freddie Gray's murder by cop to seem as serious as he wants to be on criminal justice reform.

See on this Eli Stokols at Politico and David Weigel at Bloomberg. Stokols quotes various African-Americans, both within and without the GOP, who see his mere discussion of family breakdown problems and a dark joke about being glad his train didn't stop in Baltimore as endangering any progress he's made in seeming like he understands the criminal justice and race aspects of urban troubles. Weigel sees the campaign missing the strategic communication talents of recently departed Senate staffer Brian Darling. Both writers note that Paul also did not stress the police shooting in the back of Walter Scott in South Carolina while campaigning near where the murder occurred (though he did talk about it on the news around the same time).

As someone on record with an op-ed in the New York Times both wanting a more consistently and radically libertarian-speaking Rand Paul, and recognizing the political perils of it, I understand people who want Paul to talk like the best possible version of who he could be on the issues that concern them most. While his criminal justice talk is a vital part of the whole Paul message, and absolutely ought to remain so, I'm less censurious about what he did and didn't say on the occasion of the Baltimore riots.

Riots, sadly, do complicate the way political rhetoric will be received here. For some it apparently makes it easier to to start speaking out about racial issues, and general grim officious violence issues, involving how police interact with African-American citizens (and other citizens), especially in certain neighborhoods and cities. The riots, so to speak, put those issues in the front of the news cycle. One needn't be any kind of policy entrepreneur to pile on.

For some, who might fear being tarred with supporting riots if they commisserate with the causes of the rage behind them as the riots happen, the context makes such talk harder. That's not that hard to understand for a Republican presidential candidate facing a long competitive primary battle.

If for some terrible reason Paul stops talking criminal justice reform, sentencing reform, drug policy reform, and those other vital issues from now on, he deserves all the criticisms anyone can muster. For merely not having either the instant mindset or nerve to double down on it while Baltimore burned, that seems an understandable judgment call. To use an analogy from his father's experience, explaining the root causes that lead to bad things happening—root causes that government can change—as Ron Paul did with terrorism is all too easily read by the uncharitable as excusing the bad things. (And while many who want to see change in American policing, both what it polices and how, actually do more or less excuse the rioting, it would be pretty unreasonable to expect Rand Paul to do that.)

Paul has done better with his rhetoric in the past, as I wrote back in December 2014:

Who else would react to Ferguson not by avoiding the topic (most of them), or offering mealy-mouthed evocations of the "decent and respectful law enforcement officers" as Hillary did, but by blaming systemic issuesof government preying on the poor with petty law enforcement and fines and the racial disparities in an unjust war on drugs? Especially since the specifics of the Michael Brown shooting weren't really related to either of those things. Paul saw a teachable moment to go off-reservation for not only his party but American politics writ large, and he took it.

Nick Gillespie from last month on Paul's qualities as a political foe of racial injustice.

Other recent Rand Paul-is-running-for-president news of note:

• Liberty Republicans Unite! Michigan Rep. Justin Amash endorses Rand Paul for President in the most formal way possible nowadays, via Facebook and Twitter.

• Paul has long been promising a Silicon Valley offensive in his fight for the presidency, and National Journal reports today on the announcement that such a Paul campaign office in the San Francisco Bay Area* is definitely on the way.

*Originally wrote just "San Francisco" which is not precisely what NJ reported.

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  1. “Two different writers pretty savvy about…”

    ” and David Weigel at Bloomberg. ”

    No. Just no.

    1. Brian, that is just so fail.

      1. Your sentence fails basic grammar.

  2. Did Rand Paul Betray His Criminal Justice Reform Outreach on Baltimore?

    Uh, did he withdraw any of his criminal justice reform bills? No? Then he did not betray anything.

    This whole nontroversy is concern trolling from people looking to undercut Rand Paul’s burgeoning credibility on an issue Democrats have long neglected.

    1. See Weigel, Dave

      1. Hey, if they give him enough shoutouts, maybe one or two Reason writers can also ditch this shitshow with insane commenters and get into a Reputable Professional Publication for Reputable Professional Journolists.

    2. If the major cities were any indication, the Democrats could give two shits about criminal justice reform.

      1. And it’s not only cities. Why moonbeam hasn’t been laughed all the way to Texas over this is a mystery:
        “Gov. Jerry Brown on legalized marijuana: ‘How many people can get stoned and still have a great state?'”
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..eat-state/

        1. How many peoples can elect Jerry Brown governor, again, and still have a great state?

          The answer is zero.

      2. Democrats don’t even care about criminal justice. They only care about “social justice,” which isn’t even justice at all.

    3. Personally, I’d like a president that didn’t jump on every bandwagon that came down the street, particularly before all the facts are in.

    4. This. It could just be Rand stubbornly refusing to talk about what everyone expects him to. He does pull stuff like that from time to time.

  3. Fine, be that way. I’m now supporting Ben Fiorina for president.

    1. “Fine, be that way. I’m now supporting Ben Fiorina for president.”

      At least as qualified as Clinton and none of the stinky scandals!

  4. “Freddie Gray’s murder by cop”

    Do we know this for sure? Remember when Michael Brown was a “gentle giant”? I’m going to wait for more evidence to come out before nailing my flag to this mast.

    In Ferguson, the racial-justice mob stepped all over the criminal-justice reform issues by going after an innocent policeman who was almost certainly defending his life against a violent criminal.

    So now here’s the image many people have of criminal-justice reform – it’s something the media focuses on when a rampaging, burning, looting mob demands punishment for innocent policemen.

    Instead of letting rioters dictate what cases to focus on, hone in on clear cases of abuse where the victim doesn’t have the dubious blessing of violent mobs “supporting” him.

    1. Indeed. And as far as I know, some of the lurid details (“His spine was 80% severed!”) come only from the attorney for the family.

    2. Why do you give the cops the benefit of the doubt? Best article I have seen on this:

      http://bleedingheartlibertaria…..in-action/

      1. The article is kind of light on actual evidence against the cops.

        1. The blog post dealt with perspective, not evidence. If you want evidence, go read the coroner’s report, or the indictments.

          1. We don’t need no stinking evidence. (We have a union).

      2. “Bleeding Heart Libertarian”

        Yeah no.

      3. Why do you give the cops the benefit of the doubt?

        Because, when there is real doubt, I always give people the benefit of it?

  5. the yam is the power that be

  6. I suspect that many on the left hate Rand Paul because he’s making them look foolish and hypocritical when it comes to criminal justice issues. Crinimial justice were suppose to their bread and butter but yet some asshole Republican actually care about this issue.

    1. Can I hear a ding? *DING*

    2. Also – his criminal-justice remarks could be read as an implied rebuke of other Republicans, playing into the divided-Republican-Party narrative. So they promote Paul as an Interesting New Voice.

      But now that the election is approaching, it’s time to stop saying nice things about Republican candidates and to remind the public of its duty to pull the Democratic lever. So they’re going to have to take back all the nice things they said about Paul and make him out to be just another Republican racist poopy-head.

      1. Exactly. That’s why I can’t understand for the life of me why the GOP try so hard to please the left and be seen as moderate. No matter how moderate they are, the DNC and left will portray them as radicals who will put gays in concentration camps and chain women to the stoves.

        1. Wait, so you *shouldn’t* chain women to the stoves? How will the cooking get done?

          1. I use mind control.

    3. From the looks of Rand Paul’s poll numbers not many on the right give a shit about criminal justice issues either.

      1. Speaking of Weigel…

        1. Sadly the ‘plug has actually made a cogent observation. It’ll be another 12 hours before he is correct again.

          1. “[…]a cogent observation[…]”
            I think you misspelled “accidental”.

  7. And to these concern-trolls, it’s *never* the right time to mention family structure…even though racial disparities in crime tend to melt away when you compare intact black families with intact white families, and black broken homes with white broken homes.

    Which seems to suggest that the problem has at least something to do with broken homes in the black community. Youths from broken homes* are more likely to be crooks or be drags on the economy. But that’s an icky social issue, so the less said about it the better. Plus it’s racist.

    *No, not all of them, not even most of them, it’s the greater likelihood which is my point, not that I would have to worry about anyone “misunderstanding” me here.

    1. Secret: Even many blacks admit that because of destruction of the family unit in the black community we are beseiged by these issues. It’s the progressive whites and middle class blacks who gnash their teeth at this observation and scream racist.

      1. Um, I know you are but what am I?

    2. Even the Buttplug, an avowed atheist and Darwinist, admits that the family unit breakdown is the primary cause of endemic black poverty.

      But what are you going to do about it? There is no classic liberal solution for this problem.

      I know what some think – pull the SNAP/TANF safety net and save $100 billion a year. Fine, you deal with the societal upheaval and repercussions for 1/37 of our federal budget. I won’t stop you.

      Some conservatives say forced school prayer is the answer. Sure. They are out of their minds too.

      1. School choice and decriminalizing drugs, if not outright legalization, would go a long, long way to ending endemic black poverty. Both are libertarian/classically liberal.

        1. Today’s liberals no longer have classic.

          1. Because they’re Communists.

      2. The SNAP/TANF “safety net” is causing much of the problem, so limit it, phase it out, transfer it to the states. Stop turning corn into ethanol and end farm subsidies and a hundred other stupid policies that all make food more expensive. There are dozens of other ways that deregulation and ending programs would actually help the poor.

        1. Zoning regs, subsidized housing, and building codes all contribute to higher costs of housing or poorer quality of housing.

      3. Some conservatives say forced school prayer is the answer.

        Really?! I’ve never heard that. Methinks thou doth tilt at strawmen.

    3. Careful now. As we all know, .

      “Third-cause” ain’t just a river in Egypt.

        1. What’s the independent third factor which simultaneously produces broken homes and troubled youths?

          1. What’s the independent third factor which simultaneously produces broken homes and troubled youths?

            The beginning of the Johnson-era entitlement programs that simultaneously disincentivized both marriage and gainful employment.

            1. Well, the situation of the Haredim in Israel shows that intact families can grow dependent on welfare and get Dad out of the labor market.

              But there’s more than that, I believe, with broken homes. A household where on any particular day Mom can say “wait until your father gets home,” and a household where this is not the case, provides a useful contrast.

              1. Hey, I agree with you that a 2 parent home can discipline a child better than a 1 parent home can. What I’m saying that that it is not a sufficient causal link to a rise in criminality. For example, a counterpoint to the Israel Ultra-Orthodox welfare kings and queens is the extremely high rates of bastardy in Scandinavia.

                1. I think with pretty much any complex social phenomenon, you’re going to have more than one cause that work in tandem or add to each other. For instance, I’m sure the lack of fathers, welfare, shitty schools, the WODs, police brutality, and the culture that many have embraced have all play a role.

                  1. or *played* a role even.

                  2. I think with pretty much any complex social phenomenon, you’re going to have more than one cause that work in tandem or add to each other.

                    Exactly, and it is bound by the context of the case. You know which countries have some of the lowest marriage to divorce rates in the world? Liyba and Syria, yet they have no shortage of angry, violent young men. Indeed, this site makes the argument that the Drug War has had a deleterious effect on Black marriage rates, noting that until the 60’s (Men) and 70’s (Women) Blacks were more likely to be married than Whites. Again, I think such an argument is simplistic, but I bring it up to show that any attempt at a simple two variable correlation for this phenomenon is wrong-headed. As you imply, it’s more like a MANOVA or regression.

                    1. they have no shortage of angry, violent young men

                      You’d be pretty pissed off, too!

                    2. “any attempt at a simple two variable correlation”

                      I don’t think I claimed that, I said broken families *contribute* to crime.

                    3. Suppose I claimed that a certain factory is pouring toxic waste into a river.

                      I’m *not* claiming that all the toxic waste comes from that one factory, or from a single polluting source.

                      There could be other polluters involved.

                2. “a rise in criminality”

                  I wasn’t claiming a *rise* in criminality, just discussing who’s at greater risk of being a criminal.

                3. Bastardy in Scandanavia is mostly driven by long term monogamous couples eschewing marriage but living the married life without the paper.

                  That’s quite different that the US underclass (of all races) where women have multiple children from different fathers, none of whom sticks around to help raise his child or it’s siblings.

                4. Scandinavians are all bastards. Particularly Martin Dahlgren.

        2. Well, if you select 08-to-09, you’ll see that correlation fails!
          Where’d turd go? He’s a past master at stuff like that.

        3. Thanks for that, Heroic Mulatto. I love all the social scientist wannabees that got the root cause all figured out. Amazingly, the root cause always has something to do with their pet ideology.

  8. “Freddie Gray’s murder by cop”

    Brian, do you know something the rest of the country doesn’t? Where is the evidence for this? I see that you’ve already tried and convicted these officers when all the material facts are at present concealed from us. The prosecutor Moseby has provided us with nothing while she plays to the mob. She charged on a complaint. There was no grand jury impaneled and the defense is still awaiting the coroner’s report.

    1. His death is a homicide as ruled by the coroner. He was in the custody of police. Of course that does not establish premeditation, but I would say there is a fair chance of depraved indifference (and if I’m not mistaken that could be 2nd degree murder).

      1. Not all homicides are murder.

    2. Just give the cops a “rough ride” and see how they feel about it. But first crush their windpipes, sever their spinal cords, and bind both their hands and feet.

      1. Don’t forget to laugh while they’re being tossed around in a metal van like a baby in a clothes drier. Then say “Fuck you” while you’re dying.

  9. There’s nothing hypocritical about thinking that cops need to follow the basic rules of civilized behavior and that the public is under the same constraint. It’s not in the least bit hypocritical to think that both authoritarian police and rioters are assholes.

    For shitheads like Wiegel, it’s all about team. His argument amounts to “he can’t really be on our team ’cause he doesn’t hate the other team!”.

    Fucking ridiculous.

    1. What’s so sad about the events in Baltimore is that if people actually threw their team affilitations out the window and worked to make the police more accountable along with tossing out laws that give th police and incentive to assholes, it would be a huge improvement. Alas, no one wants to do that because it requires work, principles, and not being overtaken by partisan groupthink.

  10. So, I’m failing to see how the media isn’t holding Paul to a standard that they refuse to hold anyone on team blue to. What’s the criticism here? Paul isn’t beating the drum as loudly as we want him to even though he’s still doing it more than any Democratic candidate has now or in any recent election cycle?

    Call me when these astute political observers bother to point out the actual contradictions coming from Hillary instead of focusing on what they think Paul is saying enough.

  11. You know, it really doesn’t matter what Rand has to say about this, or anyone else. I’ve heard plenty of people on the right and left say this same thing.

    Well, the state is not going to stop breaking up families by replacing fathers with inflated child support and lifetime welfare payments for women who want their cake and eat it too.

    Until our behemoth government is cut in half, then sliced, diced, frozen, stomped on until thawed back out, and then mostly ground up in the garbage disposal, this is never going to end. It’s only going to get worse.

    That being said, I don’t know why Rand didn’t say anything about criminal justice reform in this instance. I wondered about it as well. Rand is playing a slow and careful long game here and maybe he thought it best to just sit and watch the liberals have out their next moment of stupidity and then move on.

    Sometimes I wonder if we need to fight the left at all, or just get out of the way and watch them self destruct.

    1. They are having a hard time with crinimal justice reform because most of the gross violations happens in Democratic havens. They preach that if you vote for them then you will be one step closer to utopia but the rhetoric does not match up with reality. Baltimore is as Democratic as a city can get but it’s dealing with massive unrest, police brutality, and ridiculous poverty. That’s why they throw the race card in because if they actually solved the actual issue, (Drug War and dumb ass edicts from local government) it might make people question the reliability of government. Once people start to question that, their whole platform collaspe.

      1. Baltimore is as Democratic as a city can get but it’s dealing with massive unrest, police brutality, and ridiculous poverty.

        Can you imagine how much worse it would be with Republicans in office??!!

        1. I could run for mayor of Chicago and have a platform that would make law enforcement officers more accountable for their follies and at the very least slow down the drug war and try to repeal the many dumb laws that gives cops the incentive to fuck with people. It won’t mean a damn thing because if I ran as a Libertarian or Republican no one would pull the lever for me.

      2. TEAM! has nothing to do with it. You correctly say Baltimore is Democratic and therefore presumably dysfunctional. What about Austin, Boulder, Greenwich, or Palo Alto? Are they as fucked up?

        I can cite all sorts of Team Red fuckup locations in the South and according to you they would be all swell!

        1. I never said that, not once, I have my issues with the GOP but perhaps the Democratic Party needs to reevaluate who they are and what they represent when cities like Baltimore goes up in flames and have record levels of crime and poverty. Secondly, it’s pretty obvious that the GOP as a whole were always cold on criminal justice reform but the Democrats always positioned themselves as the defenders of civil liberties and the reformation of the criminal justice system but yet the rhetoric does not match the reality.

          1. Sure, both teams need a lot of reevaluation.

            Baltimore is a hell hole – OK. The entire state of South Carolina (except for a couple of resort islands) is a TEAM RED! shithole. Yet All TEAM RED all the time. Calling out Baltimore is dangerous logically.

            You never know.

            1. “The entire state of South Carolina (except for a couple of resort islands) is a TEAM RED! shithole”

              Really? Cite missing.

              1. If I didn’t know this was Sevo I’d say, what type of confrontational jerk really asks for a cite that SC is as true red as MA is true blue?

                1. Bo Cara Esq.|5.4.15 @ 11:22PM|#
                  “If I didn’t know this was Sevo I’d say, what type of confrontational jerk really asks for a cite that SC is as true red as MA is true blue?”

                  Amazing, isn’t it?
                  Fucking insufferable twit shows up to prove s/he’s a fucking insufferable twit!

                  1. As usual, you have nothing.

                    1. Bo Cara Esq.|5.4.15 @ 11:25PM|#
                      “As usual, you have nothing.”

                      Amazing, isn’t it?
                      Fucking insufferable twit shows up to prove s/he’s a fucking insufferable twit!

                2. Sorry Bo. I forgot you live in SC.

                  I have criss-crossed SC 60-80 times (from the Atlanta-Athens area) and no matter which way you go to Hilton Head or the Outer Banks it is a depressing trog through a near third-world environment. Even Hilton Head takes you through Bluffton. Talk about a dump. It looks like a bunch of Jamaicans looking for cans on the side of the highway.

                  SC is awful, desperate, and backwards in every way.

                  1. I have to disagree. I don’t like our current political turn, and of course you’re correct and Sevo is, angrily, sputtingly, but as usual wrong, that the GOP dominates us right now. But these things happen. South Carolina is a beautiful place, with many good (though of course many bad) moments in history, but full of good, kind, decent people. Nothing lasts forever.

                    1. I didn’t intend to disparage the people of SC.

                      Just their governments.

                  2. Palin’s Buttplug|5.4.15 @ 11:29PM|#
                    “Sorry Bo. I forgot you live in SC.”
                    Yeah, turd, you and Bo make a great pair; please get a room.

                    “I have criss-crossed SC 60-80 times (from the Atlanta-Athens area) and no matter which way you go to Hilton Head or the Outer Banks it is a depressing trog through a near third-world environment. Even Hilton Head takes you through Bluffton. Talk about a dump. It looks like a bunch of Jamaicans looking for cans on the side of the highway.”
                    So, compared to B’mr, you’re griping about peoples’ lawns? The paint on their houses? A miserable turd like you finds that to be “a TEAM RED! shithole.”

                    “SC is awful, desperate, and backwards in every way.”
                    Turd prefers houses painted green, and therefore TEAM BLUE wins!
                    Go fuck your daddy, turd.

                    1. Your usual gibberish, Sevo.

                    2. Palin’s Buttplug|5.4.15 @ 11:50PM|#
                      “Your usual gibberish, Sevo.”

                      Gee, turd, I’m sorry! Too many syllables?
                      Want me to try again in mono-syllables?
                      It’s really tough dealing with the world being such a fucking ignoramus, isn’t it?

                  3. Charleston is beautiful. They even have a health food store.

                3. I took that to mean that Sevo was questioning the idea that South Carolina was a shithole on the level of Baltimore, not that it wasn’t Team Red.

                  1. PapayaSF|5.5.15 @ 12:40AM|#
                    “I took that to mean that Sevo was questioning the idea that South Carolina was a shithole on the level of Baltimore, not that it wasn’t Team Red.”

                    Not hard to figure, given what turd and Bo ignored:
                    “SC is awful, desperate, and backwards in every way.”
                    Turd prefers houses painted green, and therefore TEAM BLUE wins!”

                    Turd simply claims SC is a shithole, since turd prefers, what? Picket fences?
                    If only B’mr were so lucky, and TEAM RED runs that…

            2. The entire state of South Carolina (except for a couple of resort islands) is a TEAM RED! shithole

              Really? And yet, of all the cities in the news with this sort of thing happening, the case in S. Carolina was the only one where the matter was dealt with even close to promptly and appropriately by the authorities (they arrested the officer and charged him with murder before the matter became national news).

            3. Reeducation. Cambodian killing-fields-style..

              1. Congress doesn’t deserve a bullet in the back of the head. That’s too kind. They deserve a .357 in the stomach.

        2. Austin is Blue–dumbshit.

        3. Baltimore has long been a black domain. The mayor is black, the town and county councils mostly black, the police commissioner and deputy commissioner are black, the police force is over 40% black, the population is around 65% black and 85% of votes are democrat.

          Obviously their problem is systemic racism caused by racist white republicans.

    2. “It’s only going to get worse.”

      With regards to the things you mention I believe you are correct.

      I had an interesting conversation this past weekend. Someone asked me how long I thought it would be before Alexandria is 100% black. I hadn’t really thought about it before but when they asked me I realized that the majority of the whites have all moved out into the countryside and the trend is accelerating. I can’t complain because it has made the price of land, of which I own a good bit, shoot through the sky.

      The little town near where I live is already 100% black and the Pineville/Alexandria area is getting that way. All of the larger towns in LA are getting that way. It is very troubling to me. This segregation is not going to result in peace and better race relations. Perhaps Tavis Smiley was correct when he said that the riots in Baltimore will be more and more common.

      Does anyone else in other parts of the country notice this trend?

      1. SF is losing black population, but that’s related to LBJ’s mendacity, and the resultant preponderance of blacks in low-earning jobs, compared to the cost of living here, driven by the local proggies.
        Those who preferred the ‘affirmative action’ positions as bus driver or some such have found that it’s easy to make low-end income, but that don’t feed the bulldog when living costs rise, and between ‘rent control’ and zoning regs, the costs do indeed RISE!

      2. Er, Suthenboy, I hate to ruin your Fear of a Black Planet thing you have going on, but Alexandria has INCREASED it’s percentage white from 2000 to 2010.

        http://censusviewer.com/city/VA/Alexandria

        1. What the hell are you talking about? Fear of a black planet? Huh?

          I fear the segregation of the races because it will make race relations worse. And I am talking about Alexandria, LA.

          1. The error must be yours, not his.

            Just as his spelling of “it’s” must be right and his English teachers wrong.

          2. He can’t even blame it on ignorance, you specifically mentioned LA in your post.

        2. He’s talking about Alexandria, Louisiana you nitwit.

          1. You think facts might affect that fucking insufferable asshole?!

            1. Palin’s Buttplug|5.5.15 @ 12:09AM|#
              “A wide spot on the road.”

              Gee, turd, why didn’t you just scream BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!?

  12. I believe that is by design, the proggies running the blacks out of town.

    I don’t have any studies to back me up, but it appears to me from casual observation, at least around here, that the two races are being segregated and it is going to have a terrible polarizing effect.

    Everyone who voted Obumbles: Welcome to post-racial America.

    1. “I don’t have any studies to back me up”

      Doesn’t need saying, does it?

      1. Which is why I was asking a question, you idiot.

    2. Suthenboy|5.4.15 @ 11:23PM|#
      “I believe that is by design, the proggies running the blacks out of town.”

      In a choice between stupidity and connivance, I’ll take stupidity in a minute, lacking data otherwise.
      The SF proggies get elected spouting bullshit about rent control keeping rents down, as rents skyrocket and the vig goes to the various legal fixers rather than the property owners. The result is fewer units for rent and less competitive rental pricing. I’ve mentioned this before; on the half-block where I live, 19 units have been taken off the rental market. 19 units in one half block, most all owned by folks who (I promise) will support rent control! Revealed preferences were never so obvious.
      The zoning regs operate under similar dissembling; ‘we’re keeping out the gentrification’, etc.
      But the black diaspora has no basis in the proggie plans; those include only the venal hope of re-election. And the (valid) hope that the product of gov’t schools is dumb enough to swallow that bullshit.
      See, oh, turd, Bo, commie-kid, Tony, etc.

  13. Coming from the guy who was a Marxist -even after studying under Friedman in Chicago(!)- until he worked for the government.

    Thomas Sowell – Welfare

    Thomas Sowell: Subsidizing Single Parent Households

    1. Thomas Sowell sold his soul long ago to Team Red. Here he is deflecting concern about NSA spying (during the Bush administration, of course).

      http://www.realclearpolitics.c…..06_TS.html

      1. So does that make his point about welfare and subsiidizing poverty any less accurate?

        1. For me, there’s one, and only one necessary, reason to condemn welfare programs: it’s the taking of money from A and B to give to C. If A and B want to give to C, let them, but don’t make them.

          1. Yes, that is true.

            And as a corollary there is no reason to pretend tax cuts produce economic magic-fly! Tax cuts are intrinsically good because the earner gets to keep more of his income -period!

            I don’t need some jackass like Sowells “justifying” tax cuts because of imaginary BLACK MAGIC for the economy.

            1. Bo Cara Esq.|5.4.15 @ 11:37PM|#
              “For me, there’s one, and only one necessary, reason to condemn welfare programs: it’s the taking of money from A and B to give to C. If A and B want to give to C, let them, but don’t make them.”
              Palin’s Buttplug|5.4.15 @ 11:43PM|#
              “Yes, that is true.
              And as a corollary there is no reason to pretend tax cuts produce economic magic-fly! Tax cuts are intrinsically good because the earner gets to keep more of his income -period!”

              Alt text contest! Two lefties….

              1. You’re such a TEAM RED! dumbass, Sevo.

                Bo is calling taxes theft and I am calling tax cuts “intrinsically good because the rightful earner retains his income” and you call us LEFTIES.

                TEAM RED! WE NEED WHITE BUSH! HE A CHRISTIAN MAN!

                (translated from Sevo talk)

                1. Palin’s Buttplug|5.5.15 @ 12:05AM|#
                  “You’re such a TEAM RED! dumbass, Sevo.”

                  Turd, cite once when I defended Bush or the rethugs, just ONCE. You won’t find it; I never have.
                  You’re a fucking juvenile ignoramus who pretends to be ‘knowledgeable’ about some subjects and hopes others are faking it like you are.
                  Well, you been busted as has your asshole-in-crime Bo. Playa mentioned last week that we operate on a ‘reputational economy’ here; your rep matters.
                  And your rep sucks. You (and Bo) duck and weave, misdirect, lie, change the subject, move the goal posts and try every other tactic you think will fool those as stupid as you, in the hopes we are as stupid as you.
                  Hint: We aren’t. You and Bo have been busted and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. You made your rep; you live with it.

                2. Oh, and:

                  “WE NEED WHITE BUSH! HE A CHRISTIAN MAN!”

                  You bet! I always go out of my way to promote Xian views! Just ask Eddie, John and, oh, Gilmore.
                  Are you nucking FUTS?!

        2. Ed, you’ve engaged a slimy piece of shit who is totally incapable of arguing in good faith. Duck and weave, misdirection, outright lies; the asshole known as Bo will attempt any mendacity to support his/her raging ego-mania.
          You may help yourself in dealing with that slime bag, but you should be warned.

          1. Why don’t you debate logically for once?

            Just once?

            1. That is rich coming from you.

              I have to laugh.

            2. Palin’s Buttplug|5.4.15 @ 11:48PM|#
              “Why don’t you debate logically for once?”

              You slimy piece of shit, you’ve never ONCE argued in good faith, and you accuse me of being illogical?
              Fuck you with whatever farm equipment you find while you drive across SC, asshole.

      2. Yes, when debating welfare and whether or not it’s hurting the black community let’s ignore the opinion of an economics professor who has probably forgotten more about economics than most of us here even know, just because he wrote something about the NSA you disagree with.

        Makes sense.

        1. And I hear Sowell roots for the Browns.

      3. So, is Thomas Sowell or has Thomas Sowell ever been a member of the Republican party?

        Christ, Botard, you really are fucking pathetic. Like any dime store proggie, you can’t produce a substantive rebuttal of his point, so you try to dismiss him as not part of the group.

        And yet you wonder why most of us cite you as a concern troll.

  14. explaining the root causes that lead to bad things happening?root causes that government can change?as Ron Paul did with terrorism

    Ron did no such thing. He conjured up the BlowBack Boogeyman and laid America’s problems at its feet, with no supporting evidence. Evidence: it’s not a Ron Paul thing.

    1. Cytotoxic|5.5.15 @ 1:01AM|#
      “[…]Evidence: it’s not a Ron Paul thing.”

      Stupidity, OTOH, IS as Cytotoxic thing.
      Fuck off, asshole.

  15. So – is it time to start calling him a racist yet?

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