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More Police WTF: Alabama Man Shot, Killed by Police While Turning in Stray Cat

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These are the sorts of stories that drip, drip, drip across newspapers and websites and underscore fears that something is very wrong with law enforcement in today's America.

Robert Earl Lawrence was turning in a stray cat to a Dothan, Alabama, animal shelter. For some reason, he had to show I.D. before he could leave the cat. Rather than pulling out a driver's license, "he instead showed paperwork that identified him as a sovereign citizen and, therefore, not bound by federal, state, or local laws."

The workers at the shelter called the cops, arguments enusued, and Lawrence was shot in the stomach, dying several hours later that day. From Raw Story:

Prosecutors said Lawrence had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti-government views.

He pleaded guilty earlier this year to making harassing communications in connection with threats he made in January 2013 to the State Department of Human Resources, and he served 90 days in jail in that case.

Investigators said he had been angry with the department in connection with a child custody dispute….

Two women filed protection orders against Lawrence this year after he allegedly choked one and threatened another.

More here.

Hat tip: Eric Dondero's Twitter feed.

The details above (including the whole "sovereign citizen" business) paint a brief but compelling portrait of an preternaturally angry man who would not be slow to talk back to cops or escalate a confrontation.

Yet that explains very little, especially when there's a dead body on the floor. Leaving aside the bizarre (to me, anyway) requirement that you show a government I.D. to drop off a stray cat anywhere, this is a major WTF: If cops can't defuse this sort of situation peacefully—or with something well short of lethal violence—they don't deserve to be wearing badges.

Police across the country have been dealing with a seemingly endless series of police-brutality reports that call into question their training, temperament, and commitment to civil liberties. The recent protests by New York City cops—turning their backs on the mayor at the funeral of a slain policeman, booing him at a swearing-in ceremony, and engaging in work slowdown after marches and demonstrations against the death of Eric Garner in police custody—show law enforcement in an extremely negative light.

They may think it's unfair, but it's really up to the police to step up and change public opinion by acknowledging concerns rather than dismissing all critics as anti-cop.

As I wrote in a Daily Beast column from earlier this week:

The NYPD—and cops more generally—have a public relations problem in the wake of the Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and a long string of other cases. Acting like a bunch of high-school jocks protesting a ban on keg parties isn't exactly going to win over many hearts and minds. It's exactly the inability of the cops who killed Garner to restrain themselves that bothered so may of us who watched the video of the encounter. The same goes for the hysterical overreaction and escalation of force used against protesters in Ferguson over the summer….

As [NYPD commissioner Bill] Bratton and the NYPD start talking among themselves, the commissioner will do well to paraphrase [the] Trumanism: "The buck stops here." The police cannot ultimately control public opinion unilaterally. What they can do, though, is acknowledge that a change in their attitudes, behavior, policies, and willingness to engage in discussions about how people see them can help them win back the public trust.

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  1. My wife is one of those people who think the cops can do no wrong and everyone who defies them gets what they deserve. So we just agree to disagree and don’t really discuss the issue. However, on New Year’s Eve she read that a cop had been shot in Florida. So I told her that in 2013, something like 39 had been killed by suspects, but I didn’t know about 2014. She looked it up, and according to her search, 29 cops had been killed by suspects in 2014, the lowest in 2 decades, but over 600 suspects were kill by cops in 2014. She was pretty quiet after that, so hopefully that gave her something to consider.

    It really is surprising when you get past the emotions and actually check out the facts.

    1. Same with my wife. If you’re critical of cop culture (she believes it’s bad apple individual cops and departments, not a culture that looks on the general public with contempt) then you want no cops at all. If you’re critical of the Drug War then you want everyone to be on drugs. Some conversation are best avoided.

      1. “Some conversation are best avoided.”

        Or maybe people should spend more time getting to know someone before adding their name to your bank account?

        1. Hear, hear!

        2. Or maybe people should spend more time getting to know someone before adding their name to your bank account?
          ^^^This^^^

        3. Or maybe people should spend more time getting to know someone before adding their name to your bank account?

          Yeah, I remember when I met my wife. She looked great wearing that ‘Screw the pigs!’ t-shirt. They way she checked off “Strongly Agree” to the “Is Policing in this country out of control?” question on my “Will I date you?” questionairre was absolutely stunning. Then, at our wedding, the mind-meld; where we publicly listed all of our agreements, drew all future opinions out of a hat, and absolved any difference of opinions we may have was just… unforgettable.

          Sure, our relationship is freaky creepy in that ‘Village of the Damned’-style braintrust sense and neither one of us knows how to use a power tool or can’t tell the difference between silk, satin, and rayon but, you know, we’re doing our part to usher in the mutedly-depressed androgynous libertarian hivemind utopia.

          1. Sounds like you two deserve each other. Thank you for taking her out of circulation.

        4. Oh oh, we got some jealous man-love going on here….

      2. I do want no cops at all
        I want no government at all

    2. Because I was curious about the numbers, I made a spreadsheet of all police deaths from 1994 to present using the Officer Down Memorial Page and the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. I’m told that policing is uniquely dangerous, but the numbers don’t support that assessment. The weird thing is the source material lists all sorts of things as “Killed on Duty,” to include heart attacks, aircraft accidents, heat exhaustion, weather, etc, to end up with their yearly totals. In fact, police dogs are included in the totals, which makes it difficult to ascertain the real numbers. In any case, there are something like 900,000 LEOs (to include federal officers) in the US and few years top 200 officer fatalities (for all reasons). Almost 21% of all fatalities were the result of automobile accidents (1994-present) and 3.81% of all fatalities since 2004 have been the result of 9/11 related illnesses. In 2001, 29.75% of all LEO deaths were the result of 9/11 (72), which dramatically skewed the numbers for that year. Gunfire constitutes about 43% of all deaths since 1994, though that also includes accidental discharges or other accidents. Anyway, the point is that, at least in my mind, policing isn’t inherently more dangerous than other lines of work despite the narrative. I’d gladly provide the spreadsheet to anyone who was interested.

      1. Those “killed on duty” numbers include things like…bee stings:

        http://www.odmp.org/officer/18…..holland-ii

        1. Darwin award? What kind of dumb ass who is allergic to bee stings doesn’t carry an epi pen?

          1. The sort of person who has somehow managed to never get stung by a venomous insect in their entire life and does not know they have a deadly allergy until it’s too late.

            Or the sort of person who has somehow managed to never get stung but twice in their entire life. The first time their immune system gets primed to over-react and the second time *POW* it goes crazy and the person dies from the unknown allergy.

            At 43 years I’ve only been stung three times. Once by a honeybee sometime before I was 5 and many years later I’ve been stung twice by yellowjacket wasps.

        2. Killed on duty only means they were on duty when killed. It doesn’t mean “Killed in the line of duty”.

          I thought a Reasonoid would understand that. Maybe not. The hate for law enforcement is strong on this site.

      2. In 2014 there were 53 officers intentionally killed out of 118 who died in the line of duty. 47 were shot. That does not include accidents.

        What you fail to account for is the number of times cops successfully defended themselves (or others) from assaults and attempted murder. According to one commenter here, the police killed 600 people. If only half of those were necessary (vice justifiable), that cops had to protect themselves from potentially deadly assault on a daily basis.
        Are you disappointed that the criminals succeeded only a fraction of the time?

        Just because “only” 53 were killed doesn’t mean that is the extent of the danger. The effects of the danger are usually diffused with proper tactics.

        But, of course, this entire national debate is about limiting the application of those tactics.

      3. Would you mind sharing that spreadsheet, e.g. in Google Spreadsheets?

    3. Where did she get 29 and 600? I looked up the stats and 47 cops were shot and killed in 2014, an increase of 56% over the prior year. No K-9 deaths, bee stings, car accidents, or other causes of death are included in this number. Heck, I didn’t even include the officer that was killed by an unarmed teenager.

      As for the number of those killed by cops, it’s more like 1,000 for 2014, and I’m being generous here and not limiting the number to gun deaths.

      47 killed out of 900,000 cops = 4.22 deaths / 100,000.

      1000 killed out of 316,000,000 non-cops in the US = 0.316 deaths / 100,000.

      So cops get killed 16.5 times more often than non-cops get killed by cops.

      Heck, some of the names on the list of 1000 death were suicide-by-cops, and others had it coming.

      For example, this guy:
      http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/06/…..-shooting/

      Checking out the facts is indeed a good idea…

      1. 1) Not every cop death was a homocide. See comments above.
        2) 1000 out of 15000 homocides in the US were commited by cops. IOW, 0.03% of the population were responsible for 6.6% of the homocides, or 220 times the average for general population. (See? I can manipulate numbers too.)

        As for your remark “Others had it coming”, I believe the US is still technically a republic in which a person has a right to a trial before execution.

        1. Homicide, not homocide.

          In the example I provided of someone who had it coming, the suspect had taped bombs to his body, armed himself with guns and grenades, already shot one cop, and had driven up to the courthouse steps in a bomb-filled SUV so he could force his way in and commit mass murder.

          In your strange world view, it would have been better if the cops hadn’t shot back at him, and then arrested him later on so he could stand trial for mass murder. Silly cops.

        2. Right to a trail presupposes that the perp is willing to be arrested.

          Your other comment (220 times the average for the genera population) is a Logical Fallacy. How many non cops have to try to arrest criminals? Fool.

      2. “Checking out the facts is indeed a good idea…”

        Checking the validity of the math is also a good idea. Using the entire US population in your calculation is an incorrect assumption for the number of number of non-cops killed. A more correct number for the denominator would be the # of people who have had dealings with police over a one year period.

      3. it is indeed a good idea, so is basic math and reading comprehension
        if you’re going to skew numbers…. well just don’t, you’re not all that bright and wouldn’t understand how to do it properly in the first place.
        because you think your statement has worth outside of just being random data bits that dont have a real comparison
        Unless of course youre implying that every citizen has had a police encounter in the past year.
        should compare the rates of cop deaths to the amount of times they encounter suspects, unless youre saying everyone is suspect and dangerous in which case you would likely be a cop and have no worthwhile opinion since you had a low enough IQ to get hired.

    4. Yes, for sure what we want as a society is as near a 1:1 ratio of dead cops to dead suspects as possible.

      1. Just to be clear, since this forum code appears to remove fake HTML sarcasm tags, the above is sarcasm.

    5. My father in law is another law and order type who frequently sides with the police. He didn’t believe me at first when I told him that law enforcement doesn’t keep stats on people shot by the police. He was plenty surprised when he looked it up for himself.

      1. Warrant?

    6. The 2014 number is wrong. The correct number is at least 53.

      …47 died from gun fire (not accidental): http://www.odmp.org/search?nam…..ilter=nok9

      …10 died from vehicular assaults, including 4 who were specifically targeted by their assailants (make sure you read the description of Officer Larson of Jacksonville, FL. He was dragged by his arm as he was held by a driver and slammed into a guard rail at high speed. It will shock most of you, but give some commenters here a real thrill). http://www.odmp.org/search?nam…..ilter=nok9

      …Plus two more were beaten or strangled to death.

      …A total of 118 died from all causes, many in non-felonious vehicle accidents.

      So there were (according to you) 600 people killed by the police. An article elsewhere on Reason says 12 of them were questionable. One resulted in an officer being arrested. Let’s go crazy and assume that the actual number of unnecessary (vice unjustifiable) killings is 20x that dozen. Let’s say 240 police killings were avoidable.

      That’s still 360 necessary killings – 360 times cops had to save their own lives or someone else’s. That’s more than one a day when you include the 53 who were killed. And that’s not counting the number who were shot, stabbed or beaten and survived without killing their assailants.

      1. Rubs Cop’s Jizzing Penis

    7. I am usually very supportive of police. But if this story is factual, the cop that shot him should be tried for murder. And the workers at the shelter should be charged as complacent.

        1. because deadly force isn’t authorized to deal with unruly unarmed citizens, no matter how many sovereigns you want to execute for no reason you cop sucking pig fucker

  2. I don’t understand why he was still there to argue with the cops.

    If I turned in a stray cat as a quasi good deed, and people started fucking with me, I’d just walk out.

    Fuck you. Enjoy your fucking cat.

    1. Yeah this guy sounds like a perpetually ticked off asshole just looking for opportunities to unnecessarily escalate stupid conflicts.

      But nothing in the story seems to justify gunning him down.

      1. Yeah, I’m tired of the trend where the nut punch stories don’t have any good guys in them.

        This guy does seem like a grade a asshole who doesn’t deserve much sympathy, but now that he was gunned down by the cops you feel sort of obligated to support him.

        It is like Bill DiBlasio vs the NYPD or the Packers vs Ndamukong Suh. I hate the idea of supporting the mayor or the Pack, but in both cases they seem the lesser of two evils.

        1. I feel like there must be some important details that we don’t know about too. Did they call the cops when he produced the weirdo papers, or after he started berating them for questioning his sovereign citizen status. He must have been being pretty crazy once the cops showed up too. But it doesn’t seem like he had a weapon (they’d probably say so if that was the case), so this would probably be a good time for mace or Taser.

          I actually know someone with similar anger issues to what this guy seems to have. And I really wouldn’t be surprised to hear one day that he went a little too nutty towards some cops and got shot.

          1. so this would probably be a good time for mace or Taser.

            Or, you know, nothing.

            1. Or, just take the cat from the guy and tell him to go the fuck home.

              1. yeah or that, shocking concept

            2. I am just blindly speculating, and quite possibly giving the police too much credit in imagining that he was doing more than yelling at them.

              You may very well be right. But they might have had legitimate need to defend themselves.

              1. Maybe he threw the cat at them?

              2. Exactly. This story, as with most cop-related stories appearing lately in “Reason”, seems to jump to conclusions without knowing anything but the vague outline of what happened.

                It seems like “Reason” and reason would dictate gathering as many facts as possible before rendering judgement.

                However, it seems that “Reason” is more interested in clickbait than reason.

                1. Unless the guy had a weapon, then the reaction by the poorly trained cop was way over the top. You better have a really good reason for shooting a citizen.

                2. if there were a reason to execute him, they would have called him an armed mad man, instead they rely on ruining his reputation and credibility by running a smear job on him after the state murdered him in cold blood.
                  if they had a reason it would be on the front line of the story in every publication.
                  they killed him for being a sovereign most likely

            3. Cops should face the same consequences as little people when they use lethal force. Maybe even more, since they’re supposedly trained professionals.

        2. Most of these stories won’t. We want the world to be black and white, but it isn’t. The vast majority of these incidents are about sort of bad guys dealing with sort of bad attitude cops.

          Look deeply into a number of domestic violence cases and you might find yourself thinking, ‘thank God someone is beating on this woman, she’s bad’.

          1. My wife says that about her sister. She thought her sister’s ex was a POS for hitting her, but also that her sister ” had it coming”

        3. Pretty sure Ndom will be facing defeat in the next game…

      2. Yeah this guy sounds like a perpetually ticked off asshole just looking for opportunities to unnecessarily escalate stupid conflicts.

        All too typical of cops these days.

        Oh, you meant their victim?

      3. Was there anything in this highly detailed account to NOT justify gunning him down?

        1. he was unarmed
          .
          .
          .
          and he was unarmed

    2. That would seem to be the smart think to do. But really, this guy didn’t look very smart. It’s pretty obvious he had mental issues.

      1. but is that a reason to execute him?

  3. I think dumpy is an idiot but I bet he is right that the police still get a favorable opinion in the general public. Although my authoritah felating MIL now tells her sons to be careful with cops because they may kill you, so maybe the tide is turning.

    1. The Tide turned last night. Oh, wrong tide.

  4. Was it an assault cat? No one needs a cat with more than 7 claws!

    Seriously, have we cut police budgets so much that the cops can’t even afford a drop gun anymore? C’mon! Drop a gun next to him and at least pretend that he drew down on you first.

    And fuck the person at the animal shelter in the neck for not just taking the cat, for calling the cops and then for not helping de-escalate the situation once the cops did show up.

    1. It has the tail that goes up

      1. And is probably black too.

      2. Good one, Protagoronus.

    2. I guess I have an assault cat with 25 claws (normal cats have 18).

      1. Is it a Hemingway? Those are awesome cats. Mine actually had opposable thumbs, kinda scary actually. Fortunately he was still scared of vacuum cleaners, so not quite ready to take over the world.

        1. Mine has the thumbs too and can make use of them.

          I don’t think it is a Hemingway. I’m in New Hampshire and New England has a lot of polydactyl cats too. Though a lot of them can’t make much use of their extra toes.

          1. Mr Buttons front toes and thumbs were all fully boned and properly formed just 2 extra each, but the hind toes were all sorts of weird, some without proper bones and some in really odd places on his foot.

            1. Face it. Mr Buttons is a born killer.

              1. He is. But I have a vacuum cleaner and I aint afeerd to use it!

            2. Mr. Buttons sounds adorable!!!

    3. Seriously, man? Standard capacity cats have way more than eight claws. I’ve got two cats with 18 claws each, including the dew claws. They are totally legitimate cats with legitimate civilian uses!

    4. Actually, there was a case the other day, I can’t remember where there are so fucking many, where it was reported on Fox I believe that a suspect was allegedly going for the cop’s gun and his partner shot the guy, and then the cop on the ground pulled out his “backup gun” to further shoot the suspect, according to the report. I laughed and wondered why that little statement didn’t get explored further.

      Hopefully someone here can find it.

      1. Of course, when the only surviving witnesses are cops and/or government employees and are antagonistic to the victim, who’s going to say he wasn’t going for the cop’s gun.

        It’s the obvious thing to say if you’re trying to justify that you just killed a guy for not wanting to be hassled by the govt when dropping off a cat.

  5. I would bet the ID requirement is to verify residency. In my N. AL city, the city shelter is entirely supported by city taxes/funds so they limit who can drop off to city residents. If you live outside the city you have to go to the county shelter…

    1. How about if there had been past instances of stolen animals dropped off at the shelter, so a rule was instituted to be able to identify the one making the drop-off?
      Nope, we all know these rules get put in place because there is always a cop that is just itching to gun someone down.

      1. Yet cops showed up and gunned someone down. So, good thing they had those rules in place to protect someone’s cat…that the county would euthanize the second no one showed up to claim…

  6. Leaving beside the bizarre (to me, anyway) requirement that you show a governmet I.D. to drop off a stray cat anywhere…

    The only possible reason I can think of is to confirm the person dropping off the cat is not the registered owner of the cat. A friend of mine works at an animal shelter in Maine and had a man drop off a dog he claimed to have found by the side of the road. He identified himself, she checked the dog’s microchip then informed him it was his dog.

    1. As far as I know cats don’t generally have registered owners. But I thought basically the same thing. That doesn’t make much sense either, though. Who’s going to steal someone’s cat and take it to a shelter?

      1. Who’s going to steal someone’s cat and take it to a shelter?

        Someone who is tired of their neighbors cat coming over and fucking up the flower bed? Or is out all night fucking all the strays in the neighborhood outside your bedroom window at 3 in the AM?

        1. I guess there is that. I don’t live too close to other people and I have my own cats to fuck up the flower beds, so I didn’t think of that.

      2. Nobody REALLY owns a cat. They allow you to provide room and board in exchange for their presence.

        1. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

        2. Nobody REALLY owns a cat. They allow you to provide room and board in exchange for their presence.

          Sounds like government employees.

      3. Someone who wants it gone but doesn’t have the nerve to shoot it like Jimmy Carter would?

        -jcr

        1. No, Carter would try to beat it to death with a boat oar.

    2. What a silly waste! All they’d have to do is find the chip and return the dog to the owner. No need for the initial check, except to make statists feel good that they’ve found another excuse for requiring government ID.

      1. All they’d have to do is find the chip and return the dog to the owner.

        The owner was trying to abandon the dog and too dumb to know the state knew it. I guess there is an argument to be made the state has some responsibility for animal welfare. The real issue, other than FYTW, is probably rabies.

        1. What I meant was, the situation (a pet owner falsely claiming his own dog is a stray) is easily solved without the ID check because the microchip would identify the owner in any case, and without the microchip, the ID doesn’t identify the dog as his.

          IOW the ID check is superfluous for the purpose of preventing owners from turning in their own dogs.

          As for rabies, it’s also pointless, since what really counts is where the dog was found, and the microchip is far more valuable than the finder’s address. What they really want to know is where the dog was found, and that’s got nothing to do with the ID.

          The ID is just because it’s government and it’s always good to make the prole sknow who’s in charge.

          1. The shelters I worked at had nothing to do with the government and did not receive one think dime in taxes to run. A microchip, if there is one, will tell you only where and when the animal was chipped. If that info is not updated, it’s useless. And a chip won’t tell you if the dog has been abused, stolen, or if it’s diseased.

        2. The owner was trying to abandon the dog and too dumb to know the state knew it. I guess there is an argument to be made the state has some responsibility for animal welfare.

          Know what’s probably not good for animal welfare? Forcing a guy to keep a dog he doesn’t want. It’s shitty, but the dog is probably better off without that asshole.

    3. So you can’t drop off your own pet at a shelter in Maine?

      Because I just can’t figure out why it matters.

      1. If it’s your own pet, you are supposed to drop it in a river in a sack with a rock tied to the sack.

      2. Oh Maine….they want ID because of that whole returned from the dead Pet Sematary problem.

      3. At a guess, it is partly a liability issue.

        I have heard of several cases in which an ex-boyfriend or ex-girlfriend has dropped off the former partner’s beloved pet to be euthanized as a form of revenge. It’s sick, but it happens. I can see how pet shelters would want to know who is dropping off a cat or dog in order to protect themselves from liability.

        1. And if it has a chip, they will want to check who the owner is in case it is a runaway or something.

        2. This happens. But it’s no liability they are worried about. It’s the animal. And the person. If an animal ends up with Parvo or Toxoplasmosis or Rabies, they will want to contact the person who brought the animal in.

      4. So you can’t drop off your own pet at a shelter in Maine?

        Because I just can’t figure out why it matters.

        If it’s like Texas, it matters because they will charge you a fee of fifty dollars or more to drop off your own pet; strays are supposed to be taken for free. And, of course, they will try to find some way to insist that it is actually your animal – like if you felt sorry for it and fed it anything.

        All this because you aren’t allowed to put your own animal down yourself – that’s animal cruelty. Besides, it deprives the local price-fixing veterinarians or the county of a nice fat fee for doing the killing.

        1. My wife and I found a small stray dog while staying in a rental cabin in the Tenn mountains. It was abandoned because I say a guy in a pick up truck stop and push it out of the cab.

          I tried to get his tag number but wasn’t fast enough.
          We took it to a shelter and were informed that it would be put down. But they would give it to animal rescue if we paid for the shots ($39)

          We paid.

  7. Prosecutors said Lawrence had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti-government views.

    Ah, a clear cut suicide by cat story.

    1. I’ve met a few animal control people as well as cops and other public employees who obviously had anger management issues.

      1. I’ve met libertarians with anti-social attitudes. And Democrats. And Republicans. And communists. And burger joint cashiers.

      2. its not a few, its a job requirement

  8. so you don’t have to show id to vote but you do to drop off a cat

    1. Funny, I do have to show ID to vote (or would if I could be bothered). But not to drop off a cat.

      1. Really? I’ve never been asked for ID when I voted. Ever.

        1. NH passed a law about that a few years ago, so now you do. It’s annoying in a very small town where the poll people pretty much know who everyone is.

          1. Well, they didn’t ask for ID when I voted this last Nov. They asked me for my name, then crossed it off the list.

            1. That’s how it used to be here.

        2. Really? Here in GA, we have to show our picture ID. Where in the hell do you live?

    2. WOW

      Nailed that! Well done!

    3. Move the voting booth to the shelter then.

      1. Free extra vote with every animal dropped off!

    4. If he’s a Sovereign Citizen, there’s no way he would have voted; that would be acknowledging/accepting the government’s authority over him. I’ve had quite a few interesting conversations with Sovereign Citizens. Apparently Capitalization is very Important to Them in a Technical Legal Way that still escapes me.

      1. You know who else spoke a language that capitalized improper nouns?

        1. White Indian?

        2. Lone Wacko?

      2. As in United States vs. united States? The latter occurs in the Declaration of Independence.

        1. Yeah stuff along those lines. My takeaway is that SCs believe that government agents are Lawful Evil in the D & D sense and can be compelled to obey the rules by proper invocations.

          1. Don’t forget the yellow fringe on the flags. They’re an important part of the cantrip.

            1. As is swallowing a live goldfish…no wait that’s Identify.

            2. I don’t see what drawing an extra card has to do with this story.

          2. Man, if anyone is a great example of Neutral Evil it’s your mid-level government bureaucrat. Law and order is cool and stuff, but the important part is justifying your existence and enlarging your fiefdom.

            Your garden-variety entry-level bureaucrat, like the old ladies who answer phones, are probably in the Lawful Neutral to Lawful Evil neighborhood. Following the rules is an end unto itself, especially if they don’t like your haircut or if you’re rushing them.

            1. Fiefdom is the operative word.

            2. I consider myself to be Chaotic Neutral,
              i wonder is that a common libertarian perspective as well or is that just us Anarchists (voluntaryists)

        2. Robert|1.2.15 @ 11:54AM|#

          As in United States vs. united States? The latter occurs in the Declaration of Independence.

          Um, was there a country named The United States when the Declaration was written?

      3. that would be acknowledging/accepting the government’s authority over him

        No. Although I think fewer people should vote, if anyone, to show the illegitimacy of the state, voting isn’t an automatic signal that you consent to the state. It could be that you’re voting for someone who agrees with you and wishes to make positive changes as you see them.

        1. To the Sovereign Citizens I’ve interacted with, it does.

          1. The S/Cs in my neck of the woods insist on writing themselves in all capital letters for all offices, except sheriff for some reason that is one they still vote for, good thing to because our sheriff in oswego county NY is one of the better guys and his opponent was a gun control nutjob

  9. Equal opportunity killing of an unarmed white man? Cops in Glenolden, PA pumped 20 bullets into an unarmed white mental case who, while hemmed in with police cars, backed his vehicle into the chief’s car. Instead of stepping back out of the way, they had to “save themselves” by killing the guy.

    1. Doooonderoooooo!

    2. Yes. That was the cat’s name.

  10. my co-worker’s step-sister makes $74 an hour on the computer . She has been fired from work for nine months but last month her paycheck was $16572 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read Full Report…………
    ????? http://www.netjob70.com

  11. Prosecutors said Lawrence had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti-government views.

    Good shoot.

    BOOYAH

    1. That doesn’t sound like prosecuting talk.

    2. Prosecutors said the cop had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti public views.

      Just wanted to see in print something that would never happen.

  12. If cops can’t defuse this sort of situation peacefully?or with something well short of lethal violence?they don’t deserve to be wearing badges.

    No shit. Why is this anything other than a ten second conversation?

    “Look- you’re creeping these ladies out. It’s nice that you want the cat to be looked after. They’re going to take it,and you’re going to leave. Okay?”

    This is reminiscent of the murder of David Turner. “Are you buying that beer for those guys over there? No? Okay. Have a nice evening, Sir.”

  13. If cops can’t defuse this sort of situation peacefully?or with something well short of lethal violence?they don’t deserve to be wearing badges.

    There are a lot of borderline psychos who want to wear blue uniforms because it gives them the right to use lethal violence with impunity. Too many make it past the screening.

    1. I thought they liked getting those in, since they like using their authority at every chance?

    2. All I know is I finally get to kill somebody

      /psycho

      1. Relax, Francis.

  14. I assume he was unarmed other than the cat, his keys and his sovereignty paperwork.

    The guy was an idiot with anger and possibly mental health problems. The fact that the cops felt the need to shoot him and had no idea how to talk him down (or just tell him to get lost) is seriously disturbing. If he got violent on them, aren’t cops trained in nonlethal methods?

    1. “aren’t cops trained in nonlethal methods?”

      Those methods don’t have the ‘thrill of the kill.’

    2. The story offers no insights on what really happened. A cop was called. An altercation occurred. A decision was made to use lethal force. Maybe he grabbed for a cop’s gun. Maybe pulled a knife. Maybe the cop was late for dinner and executed him. (Guess which one most of the commenters here will assume).

      1. if he did do any of that, the newspapers wouldnt have relied on the smear job to make him unsympathetic, they would have just said he went apeshit with a weapon
        the fact that they didnt, and then relied on his past to make it look as justified as possible means that there really was no reason to murder him.
        nice try tulpa

  15. One issue has not been discussed here yet:

    DID THE COPS SHOOT THE CAT?

    1. Perhaps it was being held by an Animal Control employee and thus spared.

  16. The burdeb we put on people. An ID to vote is unreasonable, but to drop off a stray cat?

    Let me see your papers!

  17. I really have a problem with this one and Reason. The guy was the problem, obviously. He was trying to drop off a cat without ID. The Law!! Remember?

    Why did he die? Not because a cop shot him, but because he broke the law. I feel sorry for the cop, having to be put in the situation where you pretty much have to shoot someone in order to do your job properly, which is to enforce all laws to their fullest.

    Anyway, it isn’t as if he were black. So, what’s the big deal?

    Thank God for those shelter workers who really know how to follow through on helping stray animals. God Bless Them All.

    1. I hope you’re being sarcastic. My guess is y===D are.

    2. almost got me to blow up at that one, the last line helped solidify the sarc at least i am hoping it is

      1. Full blown sarcasm.

  18. So talking back justifies being shot to death? Something tells me if I shot even one big mouth talking back I’d not not be in big big trouble.

  19. You show an ID to leave a cat because the cat is examined for disease and abuse upon intake and that person might need to be notified if that cat has a transmittable disease. Or the police notified if the animal might have been abused.

    Shelters can also cross reference animal surrender forms to see if that person has dropped off multiple animals. Sometimes people turn in neighbors animals, for example.

    Whether this ID must be government issued is another issue but this is why you don’t just walk into a shelter and dump animals off anonymously.

    1. “…you don’t just walk into a shelter and dump animals off anonymously.”

      Since I’ve done it myself; I’d ask you why not, except for you appear to have answered that to your own satisfaction already.

      You’re European? Auschwitzian, perhaps?

    2. you don’t just walk into a government run shelter and dump animals off anonymously.

      FTFY

      last i checked, there were NFP animal shelters all over the country that aren’t required to do any STASI pantomime to accomplish their mission.

    3. Many years ago my father warned me about dropping stray animals off at shelters.

      He had picked up a stray dog on the side of the highway and dropped it off at a shelter. The shelter asked for his contact info, and he gave it to them without really thinking about it. Then they demanded the $99 fee for turning in ‘your’ pet.

      The game went like this – you can’t prove it’s not your pet. And if you decline to leave it here, we’ll have the local police follow up to make sure you didn’t “dump it” (ie, put it back where you found it). If we took strays for free, then *everyone* who wanted to dump a pet would claim it to be a stray.

      I don’t pick up stray animals.

      1. I don’t pick up stray animals.

        Yeah, neither does animal control where I live – unless YOU catch it and hold it for them. And then they might try to claim it is yours, as you said.

    4. So just ask the person dropping off the animal to fill out a contact form with their name, phone number and address. If they don’t want to fill it out, it’s on them. Still don’t need to demand an ID.

    5. because if my “beloved” pet went missing i wouldn’t call the shelters to see if it were turned in?
      you’re a fucking moron
      an absolute fucking moron

  20. “Hat tip: Eric Dondero’s Twitter feed.”

    Oh, Nick, that’s just mean. Or do you actually keep an eye on Dondero’s feed to keep track of the #IslamoNazis, and ongoing #WhiteGenocide, #WaronWhites?

    1. As most likely the only person here that has no idea how twitter works, I have no clue what you’re trying to say.

      #enigmatic, #perplexing, #baffling

      1. I don’t know either AND I don’t carry a cell phone and for extra curmudgeon cred I’ve only texted once on someone else’s phone and it took me 10 minutes because I can’t type with my thumbs.

        1. That’s surprising, I’m usually the only one lagging behind the times. Just started using cell phone a couple years ago; voice only.

          1. I have a cell phone somewhere, my husband got one for me, but I never use it. If I’m out of the house, it means I don’t want to be reached.

            1. At first it was a novelty receiving calls away from home. Now, not so much. Leaving the phone at home is like leaving a large weight behind; freedom.

              1. hahahaa i hear that, im getting my land line hooked backup and burning the flippin thing, if i aint at home, i aint got time for your bullshit

      2. Galt=

        The funny part is that I have also basically ignored twitter myself since it came into being (and have previously been mocked by Nick for admitting as much; I refer to my Luddite ways as “Internet 1.0”)

        The ‘hashtags’ (“#______”) are what people stap to their tweets to give them some kind of categorizing ‘topic/keyword’.

        Anyone who is contributing to a discussion about a “War on White People” adds “#WhiteGenocide” and gets added to that ‘thread’.

        My point was that Dondero (*a former personality from the comment section here) seems to have descended into nothing but Race Trolling, and that claiming he was the ‘hat tip’ here suggested Nick was all over his ‘cutting edge‘, culturally-relevant tweets

        #WhereTheWhiteWomenAt

        1. #TheSheriffIsANig…

        2. Dondero is a race troll?!? Color shocked! So, so shocked!

          1. I have often wondered who the “fired employee” was who wrote the racist Ron Paul newsletters. I don’t wonder quite so much now.

            1. Explains why he knew so much about them.

            2. As time passes, it does seem an increasingly reasonable inference doesn’t it?

            3. Courtesy of Ben Swann and TNR:

              http://www.fox19.com/story/164…..ewsletters

              1. James B. Powell – whoever that is or was. Interesting. One would think as much as I hang out at this comment board I would have heard that name before now.

        3. Thanks for the explanation concerning hashtags.

  21. And in related news… GA Police Chief shoots wife, he said twice, but it turned out to be once, ” accidentally.” At 4 in the morning in their bedroom new years day. He is not in jail, but on leave as usual. The DA says a big investigation is needed in this horribly complicated case before he can bring any charges, if ever. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/01/…..hief-wife/

    1. Well he pulled the trigger twice, but only one bullet came out.

    2. Could you imagine how quick things would be turned around if cops, judges and politicians underwent the same mandatory drug and alcohol screening and random testing as our low-rung labor employees?

    3. He must have been WAAAAyy-sted.

  22. Not one word in the article about what exactly led up to the shooting. None of the details which one would expect if one was asked to form an opinion on whether or not the shooting was justified. I guess the conclusion the author wants me to draw is that this poor innocent man was just minding his own business and got executed for trying to drop off a stay animal without ID.

    1. It takes time for the cops to get their story straight.

      1. Thankfully there’s a lot of ultra grainy, blurred, jerky, indecipherable surveillance video out there these days so if they have trouble getting their story straight they can always just fall back on “Hey! Look at the video! It happened just like I said. See? I did nothing wrong!”

    2. This. Thank you. If this was some rumor-mongering tabloid, sure, have fun with your lack of facts, flimsy details, snap judgments, and jumps to conclusions.

      But I still find it difficult to accept such shoddy writing as what is the above article as part of a publication named “Reason.” Oh, the irony.

        1. Sun’s above the yard arm. go for it!

      1. Splatter that’s an interesting name. Is that cop cum splattered all over your face? Or are you a spam bot from PoliceOne?

  23. “Prosecutors said Lawrence had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti-government views.”

    Capital offense, right there.

    1. Mid-18th century: “anti-government views” = patriotic!

      Late 20th – early 21st century: “anti-government views” = summary execution.

      1. Hope and change! Well change anyway.

      2. 2001 – 2008: “anti-government views” = patriotic!

        2000 – current: “anti-government views” = racist

        1. damn it.

          2009 – current

          1. Dog whistle

  24. He didn’t get killed because he wanted to turn in a stray cat, he was killed for identifying himself as a Sovereign Citizen. These folks are domestic terrorists and known to be cop killers. You can’t trust these types of people when they tell you they are unarmed.

    1. “he was killed for identifying himself as a Sovereign Citizen. These folks are domestic terrorists and known to be cop killers.”

      That a fact?

      And, like many other ‘terrorists’, they gladly identify themselves as such when asked? And THEN you shoot them on sight?

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  26. Law enforcement where I live has good relations with the community. They basically stay out of sight, but on call should serious crime occur. They don’t go looking for/making trouble. Sadly, some crave harassment and almost unseated the current sheriff in the most recent elections replacing him with one they felt would be much more aggressive. It’s going to be huge defeat for liberty should they succeed down the road.

    1. Rural law enforcement sometimes lacks the tattooed tough-guy edge that urban cops have. I have cousins working as small-town police, others as deputies, and they seem to spend most of their time handing out speeding tickets and investigating the occasional suicide. Also helps that they know most of the people with whom they interact. They’re still tax-leech meatheads who happily raid meth operations and think W was awesome for killing ragheads, but at least they’re not choking people to death in public.

      I only have a county sheriff’s dept to deal with, and they generally stay in their offices unless they’re called.

  27. At the shelter where I used to work, one needed to show an ID to prove that one lived in a municipality which contracted with said shelter to pay for strays. If one lived elsewhere, a fee was charged or we helped find a rescue with space for free. As the shelters around here are always overfilled, we couldn’t “just” take every animal brought in.
    As to why the police were called, I can only speculate, but we often were bodily threatened by people who didn’t like our policies for whatever reason. And when threatened, it should be a person’s right to protection from LEOs without somebody on the internet saying it’s your fault the cops shot some guy.
    IMHO, this guy was prrrrrollly gonna end up dead soon, anyway; it was just a matter of before or after he placed the truck bomb outside a government building with a daycare in it.

    1. “IMHO, this guy was prrrrrollly gonna end up dead soon, anyway”

      Crazy white people amirite?

    2. it should be a person’s right to protection from LEOs

      Oh the courts have disagreed mightily with that thought. LEOs are not legally required to protect anyone from anything.

      1. Welllll,the “right” referred more to the last part of that scenario anyway.
        How about, “I have the right to ask for LEO protection without being blamed if they fuck up.” Closer?

        1. no, if you call a LEO you are responsible for the deaths caused by them just as much as they are.
          its just a cat, you can always say he just left it there without proper paperwork later.
          if a bank teller doesn’t have to resist a madman demanding money a shelter worker doesn’t have to resist a madman turning in a cat.

          that aside, your callous disregard for human life is reprehensible and disgusting “he prolly woulda ended up dead soon anyways” is not a justification for lethal force, no matter how un-sympathetic the actor is

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  30. ” If cops can’t defuse this sort of situation peacefully?or with something well short of lethal violence?they don’t deserve to be wearing badges.”

    Anytime the cops hear the words “sovereign citizen” lately, they seem to show up in force with guns already out. Identifying someone as a “sovereign citizen” (whatever the hell that is) is apparently a good way to get someone else shot, which may be what the animal control goons were trying to do. “Just tell the cops he’s a sovereign citizen… that’ll take care of him…”

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  32. and Lawrence was shot in the stomach, dying several hours later that day.

    Real sporting of the cop to gut shoot an unarmed man. Must have been really in fear for his life – angry victim probably yelled at him or something.

    1. In his defense, the officer had no non-lethal options available to him, having expended his taser on a blind orphan earlier that day.

      1. Before or after he stole the kid’s cane? Oh wait that theft was a school official; these stories are are starting to blur together.

        1. the cane was taken under asset forfiture, see the blind kid was using his cane to find the Drugzzzzz

  33. “The details above (including the whole “sovereign citizen” business) paint a brief but compelling portrait of an preternaturally angry man who would not be slow to talk back to cops or escalate a confrontation.

    Yet that explains very little, especially when there’s a dead body on the floor.”

    Really? The preternaturally angry man escalated the confrontation with the cop to the point that he was shot. Seems almost self-explanatory, really.

    Which isn’t to say that he got what he deserved for struggling with a cop OR that the cop, like all cops, is just another yahoo who views police work as a real life first-person shooter game. Facts matter. Context matters. Details matter. And this story–and the linked story–are notably short on any of the above. So call me unreasonable if you want, but I’m going to wait for more information before forming any conclusion as to who is to blame. No, the fact of a dead body on the floor is not enough.

    Frankly, I’m disappointed that so many readers (and editors, apparently–et tu, Nick?!) of Reason are so quick to look only at the end result and seemingly have no interest in how that result came to be. It seems wrong, so that’s all I need to know. Jesus. Really? Are we classical liberals or modern liberals? If it’s the latter, they should just change the name from “Reason” to “Feelings” and get on with it.

    1. but I’m going to wait for more information before forming any conclusion as to who is to blame.

      Why wait? The cop will be exonerated by an investigation conducted by his bestest friends in the local police department.

      There. I’ve solved it for you. No waiting needed. The policeman is innocent.

      1. Probably true, unfortunately. But exoneration by the system doesn’t mean that I have to accept that conclusion, any more than I have to accept the conclusion jumped to by this article, namely that the shooting couldn’t possibly have been justified. We’ve reached the point that too many otherwise reasonable people *just know* that the other side is no damn good. But I’m opting out of that nonsense, or trying to at least.

        In fact, I think that “Team Edward/Team Jacob” garbage helps explain why we have so many of these shootings in the first place. Both sides are emboldened by their own (assumed and often unexamined) self-righteousness and totally convinced of the other guy’s ill-will. Throw in a healthy dose of over-inflated egos (yes, on both sides; cops’ egos are notorious, but there is an unmistakable arrogance to resisting arrest even when you know you actually did something illegal) plus a firearm (or two, real or perceived) and you’re pretty much there.

        1. Don’t expect to see any REASON, either by the authors or posters, here.
          “FEELINGS”, maybe but “ANARCHY” is more like it.

          1. Anarchism is the highest evolution of society, in fact the most reasonable stance one can take when looking at the abhorrent results of statism.

    2. Change the name to “Feelings” LOL!!!!!!!

    3. I dont support the use of police forces period.

      anytime a citizen dies because of the application of the “law” it is the fault of LEOs for being the enforcers of bad laws, and the idiot pols for making them up as they go along.

  34. I went over and read the full article at Raw Story, including many of the comments. One comment made an interesting observation: the fact that an investigation of the incident had not yet taken place, but that the cops and the media were already smearing the victim as some sort of nutcase who needed killing. Nothing like a bit of propaganda to make the cops look okay in advance – thanks, media. What is it they used to call the media – fourth estate? …fifth column? – something?

    1. We’ve shortened it to Fifth Estate!

  35. The link to Dondero’s twitter feed is super cool now that the most recent post isn’t #SovereignCitizen, but questioning the Muslim #WarOnWhites.

    Another win for the good guys.

    1. All that murdering by Muslims you read about in the papers is totally made up fiction. None of it is true.

  36. There is a way to suck a cop cock deep into your throat while submissively and rapidly tonguing the cop cock shaft and, clearly, this man never read that manual.

  37. Good riddance. Enough of this sovereign citizen bullshit.

    1. From what do you suppose the sovereignty of governments derive, genius?

    2. Mr. Sangos honey- relax. There are three of those in your state. [massages paranoid idiot’s shoulders]

  38. Could the author of this piece be more of an idiot?
    Talk about an inaptly named publication!

    1. Could the author of this piece be more of an idiot?

      Only if the police had shot Lawrence for no reason.

      1. they didnt?

  39. Pigs – your best defense against them is to shoot first.

  40. How’d that “sovereignty’ work out for you, Citizen?

  41. “If cops can’t defuse this sort of situation peacefully?or with something well short of lethal violence?they don’t deserve to be wearing badges.”

    Well, what did they do to diffuse it? What did the guy with the cat do? Did he grab for a cop’s gun? Did he threaten them? Did he try to run a cop over with his car? Did he pull a gun?

    As usual, Gillespie leaves out some details that the other article includes:

    “Police said Lawrence struggled with the arresting officer, who then shot him in the abdomen.”

    That could mean any number of things. But it is rarely the actual call to police that results in a use of force.

    And: “Lawrence threatened to take a child hostage like Jimmy Lee Dykes, who snatched a 5-year-old child earlier this year and held him for a week in an underground bunker.

    He also made references to the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, investigators said.”

    So, yeah, just a normal dude dropping off a cat at the (government-run) shelter, whom the police randomly walked up to and executed.

    1. So the fact that the cops shot him made it a good shoot? As the default. Is that the standard that should be applied to the little people? Including when a non-cop shoots a cop?

      1. Well, by definition your first and last sentences are self-contradictory. That said, no, the fact that a cop did the shooting does not make it a “good shoot.”

        But Gillespie’s entire point is that this shooting is somehow abhorrent and a sign that “something is very wrong with law enforcement in today’s America,” simply because it involves a man and a cat.

        He gets around to making mention of the man’s legal problems after framing the shooting that way, and utterly ignores the key detail provided by Raw story that in any way indicates why a human (the cop) made the decision to squeeze the trigger on a weapon.

        You can take all of your statistics and trends and rules, but in the end, every one of these shootings comes down to one of three things: A cop who is a bully and should not have a badge; A cop who sincerely but mistakenly thought his life was in jeopardy (which sometimes is the result of his own bad tactics); or a cop who was had to act in defense of his own life.

        A significant number of shootings fall into the second category (John Crawford, Tamir Rice). A rare few the first (though certainly some go undetected). But, by-and-large, they fall into the latter.

        Which is to say that the commentary screeds here excoriate good men for doing things to save their own lives, or at least thought would save their lives. And all too often these comments are based on half-stories, absent facts, served up for a salivating mass waiting to be angry with pig jokes.

        1. I bet you swallow

        2. My first paragraph is consistent. Unless you advocate that cops shootings others is ok unless proven otherwise and little people shooting anything is bad unless proven ok.

          I like how you fabricated “…by and large…” shootings by police are in self-defense and then proceed to chastise other posters for half-stories and absent facts. Please include your citation for this and it better not include advocacy.

          As for Nick’s position, I tend to agree with it. The shooting didn’t occur until the armed hero in blue arrived.

          1. You said: “So the fact that the cops shot him made it a good shoot? As the default. Is that the standard that should be applied to the little people? Including when a non-cop shoots a cop?”

            How can that standard be applied to non-cops shooting cops, unless you are advocating open season on police?

            “By and large”: There were around 1000 officer-involved shootings last year. Reason has described a dozen as “questionable.” Not even bad, just questionable.

            You’re quite correct, officer-involved shootings tend not to happen until an officer arrives. But bullies run rampant and robbers steal until they do. In this case, it seems the man was being a garden variety jerk until the cop arrived. I suppose he could have stood by while the man verbally abused the staff. Or left when threatened. But I suspect you’d be the first to point out that we don’t pay cops to leave when there’s trouble.

            1. I’m advocating that the same standard be applied. If when applied to a non-cop that ends up being “an open season on cops” then when applied to a cop how does it not represent an open season on citizens? Any cop involved shooting should require the cop be placed on unpaid leave.

              Reason has identified a dozen that are at least suspicious. It doesn’t mean (or even insinuate) anything about the rest. Because no independent evaluation has been conducted. Your proof is that reason didn’t call it put so it must be kosher?

              So now the penalty for being a “jerk” in public is having a hero in blue shoot them? That is sociopathic. Of course being a “jerk” in this case was wanting to use a form of identification that wasn’t accepted. If he was verbally abusing the staff, it certainly does not merit the use of a police officer shooting him. Again, sociopathic. Maybe the staff could have evolved from a statist existence, put on some big boy or big girl pants and accepted the cat from him.

              The only bully in this story is the police officer. Well, maybe the employee (I dare not use the term worker). And robbers get stopped by homeowners, store owners, and guard dogs. Like during the Ferguson riots, where the police refused to do their jobs and protect the property of the people that pay their salaries.

              And where in the story does it indicate that the officer was threatened? The story indicates he initiated the physical altercation.

              1. Any cop shooting should require the officer be placed on UNPAID leave? So if a guy pulls shoots an officer during a traffic stop and the cop shoots back, he should lose a paycheck for saving his own life?

                1. If the cop shot the other person, yes. I’m guessing on this and am open to being wrong but I think the hero in blue would have valued deescalating the cat drop off situation somewhat differently if there were an actual negative consequence to poor choices (i.e., not getting paid for fucking up).

                  1. What if the “hero in blue” actually was having his life threatened in a way that this detail-vacuous story doesn’t relay? He should lose a pay check for saving his own life? That’s a great incentive to run toward danger — save someone’s life AND you lose go broke!

                    1. Losing a paycheck = going broke? In what universe?

                      If it is cut and dry (responding to an armed bank robbery) then there won’t be much time off. If a police officer shoots an unarmed man dropping off a stray cat to a shelter that might take longer.

                      You are making a leap that each and evety time a police officer ahoots someone it was in order to save his or her life. I don’t buy that line of thinking.

                    2. No, but you are stating that every time a cop takes a shot – even if obviously to save his own life – he should lost money.

                      Do you know how long these investigations take? Months upon months. How long is a guy supposed to go without pay because somebody tried to kill him?

                    3. would definitely make the pig pause before murdering someone next time

                    4. If the cop was responsible for escalating the situation before he or she “had” to shoot then I’m not interested in my coerced tax money being transferred into their bank account.

                      So when cops wrongly arrest someon for a crime and the investigation takes a long time that is too bad? How long is a guy supposed to sit in gaol without collecting a paycheck becauae a cop wrongly arrested him?

                1. now youre getting it.
                  all cops deserve unpaid time off
                  like 365 days of it

                  only a dually elected sheriff and their deputies have any right to uphold laws in their townships. if you dont agree please move to spacious north korea for all the oppression your heart desires.

              2. This guy probably deserves a month off UNPAID!!!!1!!!111!!1!1!!!
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMWoikwMgU

                1. Old police motto: to protect and to serve. New motto, to shoot, get home early, and have a paid vacation.

                  I also support a ban on police moonlighting.

                  1. I concur with your last point. Especially in uniform.

                2. more than a month
                  i mean just fire him at this point

            2. cops are worthless
              pack your bags and find a new line of work. ill keep my self defense business to myself and my own without one second of your worthless “help”
              ive never called the cops once in my life, and magically have been able to handle my shit on my own. i cant imagine theres some kind of need otheres have for an occupying army of low IQ apes with guns and an us vs them mentality

  42. How about, for once, Reason getting the full facts of a story before concluding there is something terribly wrong with American LEOs?

    1. Where would they get those facts? The local papers that initially report on it? They are entirely dependent on cops themselves as sources.

      The Frederick News Post where I live are atrocious at this sort of thing. Half of it is hack reporting, half of it is taking what cops say at face value 100% of the time even when it conflicts with eye witnesses or known facts.

      When off duty Frederick cops crushed a man with down syndromes windpipe because he wanted to watch a movie at a theater twice, they barely touched it until the story went national and they had to.

      When Frederick SWAT respond to a domestic despute (?) shot a woman in her home, “She had a gun!” Was on the front page. The next day when the husband who called the cops was screaming “WTF?! “…one paragraph, buried on page 7.

    2. The fact is that we rank #1 in police brutality, require them no accountability and keep stacking on more and more laws and reasons for the police to execute you on sight

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  45. Shelters do ask for i.d. when taking in strays– our local shelter not only requires it, they make a photocopy and then ask you to sign a document swearing that the animal is not your own. (Because if it is your own, they charge you a substantial fee to leave it.) In most municipal shelters turning in a cat will frequently result in the cat’s death– adoption numbers are poor for adult cats. None of this has anything to do with why the police are so bad at handling situations that so many are ending in the death of a citizen, sovereign or otherwise.

    1. does it have anything to do with just leaving the cat and walking out.
      i mean if i had to drop one off id say heres a cat, its yours have a nice day
      id walk right the fuck out and that would be the end of it.

      they just made homeboy a martyr for generations of SCs

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  47. Cop culture “looks on the general public with contempt” – in a nutshell. Yes, they are empowered elitist in their minds, and you are just the rabble.

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  50. Why doesn’t the article say exactly what he is accused of doing? They didn’t walk in and execute him because he didn’t have an I.D. This seems like rather poor journalism.

    1. see the thing is they did
      thats why theres no other facts other than
      “see he looks like an angry wacko”
      if there was a reason to execute him it would be plastered all over about a violent lunatic running amok in an animal shelter, instead the most the article delivers is he got loud with the police and they shot him because FYTW

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  54. This is the new “norm” – resist or fail to comply with authority and you die.

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