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Instapundit: Excessive Tribalism Poisons Both Sides of Police-Violence Debate

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Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has a must-read column in USA Today on how tribalism on both sides of the issue gets in the way of discussing police violence:

In America, we have both a police culture that is too quick to escalate force, and an aggressive victim culture, embodied by the loathsome Al Sharpton, that seeks to portray every police use of force, at least against members of the wrong racial and ethnic groups, as excessive.

A healthy society would stigmatize, marginalize and shun the tribalizers. Sharpton, who has incited racial violence in the past, would not have a network TV show (even on MSNBC), and would not be treated as a legitimate civil rights spokesman. Police unions, which have a history of interfering with efforts to hold officers accountable for acts that, if they were committed by civilians, would be prosecuted as crimes, would not be given a preferred political position, if they were allowed to exist at all. 

Read the whole thing.

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  1. Alt text: Here we see viewers at a Friends reunion show.

  2. In a tribalized society, what matters is what tribe you belong to, and who is on top at the moment.

    Principals trump principles.

  3. Exactly!

    Right now, everything between the police unions and Al Sharpton is a no man’s land. Reasoned discourse seems to be a lost art.

    1. #nogoodguys

      1. In about 80% of the culture war battles I end up hating both sides.

  4. The one in the middle looks like he just farted.

      1. After all, he had gastric bypass surgery and you know what that means…

        http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/07/…..s-surgery/

        1. He has a butthole?

            1. Why do I find this idea so upsetting?

            2. OMG, he has an assault butthole?

              No one needs more than one rectum!

          1. Ah, crap (NPI) my fresher than fresh The Interview reference went right over their heads.

  5. Alt text: Comedian Dane Cook delights audience members with his standup routine.

  6. “”What if I told you,” asks a Matrix-themed photo-meme that has been circulating on Facebook, “that you can be against cops murdering citizens and citizens murdering cops at the same time?”

    “Judging by the past few weeks, this really is a Matrix-level revelation, obvious as it may seem.”

    That’s it in a nutshell.

    And it didn’t help that Sharpton and that crowd took a robber as a their poster child, especially when several witnesses (with no biases that I’m aware of) said he attacked the cop.

    Garner is *way* more sympathetic, but the main criminals IMHO are the legislators who made cheap cigarettes illegal and then expected New Yorkers to stop buying or selling cheap cigarettes. “We didn’t think that law we passed would be enforced by *violence,* man!”

    There are instances of abuse where it’s all on the cops – just read some back issues of Reason and demonstrate about *those.*

    1. on the list of things not being helpful is DeBlasio basically calling the entire NYPD violent racists. The irony is that the DeBlasio types are front and center in their support of public unions, the vehicles making any sort of punitive action against uncivil servants impossible.

      1. on the list of things not being helpful is DeBlasio basically calling the entire NYPD violent racists.

        Well, what’s the alternative? Suggest that maybe his office’s decision to have the cops crack down on loosies might have contributed to it? Suggest that maybe zero tolerance is suboptimal?

        How exactly is it you expect a left-wing hack to actually govern? If you have to take responsibility for the consequences of your policies, you’ll never maintain the level of support you need to impose utopia. And if start tolerating deviances from the nanny state, you’ll never be able to reform the people.

        Nope, it’s much easier to put it down on police racism.

      2. “on the list of things not being helpful is DeBlasio basically calling the entire NYPD violent racists.”

        Oh come on, I’m no fan of DeBlasio, but that is not at all what he said. He gave an honest, un-PC take on his personal connection to the debate, and the NYPD got pissed off because he didn’t show total deference to them.. Nothing DeBlasio said was ridiculous or should even be controversial. Every black guy I know has had a similar talk with their parents, and it’s not because they think every cop is an evil racist, but because you never know what the particular cop you’re interacting with is like. And while it is good advice for anyone, it’s even more necessary for young black men in this country. You or the NYPD not liking it doesn’t change reality.

    2. When Instapundit posted that meme, I commented that I thought it was a good one, and was taken to task by copsuckers in the comments because not every unjustified killing is technically a murder.

  7. The day that that the left-wing JournoList controlled media shuns the lowlife dirtbag Al Sharpton and his ilk will be the day that proverbial hell freezes over.

    They absolutely love this shit more than just about anything in the world. Violence, rage, and discontent is their very lifeblood.

    1. See Weigel’s doppelganger below. All the Left has is the culture war. Without the culture war, blacks will figure out how badly socialism has fucked them and stop voting Democrat. Without the culture war, upper middle class whites will no longer view voting Democrat as a way to show how tolerant they are and might actually start holding people responsible for how badly the government is screwing them.

      People say the left gets votes by giving them free shit. There is some of that but that is not mostly what is happening. The Republicans give plenty of free shit too. And even when the Republicans win office, it is not like the free shit parade ever stops. People don’t vote on free shit nearly as much as they vote on culture war bullshit and most of that voting is people voting Democrat as a way to prove they are not racist or evil.

  8. Sharpton and Limbaugh both make their money race baiting. Pigboy was just lamenting the possibility of a black James Bond. Can’t have that!

    1. That is right. There was that time Limbaugh was in New York and incited that crowd to burn down that Jewish owned business. Then there was that other time Limbaugh got that white girl to made up rape charges against those black men.

      Sharpton and Limbaugh are just alike. And Glen Reynolds didn’t say shit about there being a black James Bond. He said there was no bond other than Connery you fucking retard. Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking disgrace to humanity. Just OD on your meds and do the world a favor for once.

      1. Someone took a five second clip from a three hour show and twisted it to mean something that Limbaugh clearly didn’t mean?

        I’m shocked!

        1. Of course. I really think half of Limbaugh’s audience are retarded liberals hoping to be offended. Limbaugh is probably the greatest troll who ever lived. The guy is worth in the tens of millions almost entirely because he is so good at trolling retards like shreek. You really have to tip your hat to him.

          1. I think Limbaugh is hilarious. And you’re right. Retarded liberals have no sense of humor (unless it involves someone they dislike suffering misfortune, that will make them laugh) so they of course are offended by the things that we find funny.

            1. Both Limbaugh and Sharpton are good at their jobs. Limbaugh is smarter than Sharpton by a long shot, but they’re both demagogues.

              1. So what? Whatever you think of Limbaugh, he is a talk show host and entertainer. He is not a protest organizer. He is not out showing up at every controversy encouraging people to burn shit down, he is not running for office. Sharpton is all of that except running for office.

                If you want to compare Limbaugh to someone, compare him to Jon Stewart. Those two are comparable. Sharpton is something totally different and much worse.

              2. I’d analogize them to tumors. Limbaugh is benign, but Sharpton is malignant.

                They’re still tumors, but only one is actively fucking with the host.

        2. I always get a laugh whenever PB quotes Limbaugh. I think PB is the only one on this site who listens to Limbaugh. He is definitely the only one who quotes him. For a person who hates Limbaugh so much, he sure does love him.

          1. I doubt PB actually listens to the show. He just waits for some leftist rag to take some quote out of context and then proudly parrots it like the retarded leftist that he is.

      2. They are both scumbags. Why do you think the NFL owners didn’t want him in the league?

        1. the NFL owners didn’t want him because the threat to the egos would be too much. Other than maybe Jerry Jones, what NFL owner is recognizeable beyond his team’s immediate fan base? Otherwise, the implied answer to your question does not exist.

          1. Bullshit. One TAKE THAT BONE OUT OF YER NOSE! and they would have had to apologize for years on his behalf.

            1. You mean, like the way they have forced the Redskins to change their name?

        2. I thought NFL owners didn’t want him in the league because a bunch of African American players are convinced he’s a racist (even though they probably have never listened to him and don’t know what he actually says).

          Limbaugh is a blowhard and a demagogue but he’s entirely harmless. Sharpton has done vastly more provable damage than Rush Limbaugh and it’s not even close.

          This would be like me arguing that Joan Walsh is just as bad as David Duke because ‘they’re both scumbags.’

          1. a bunch of African American players are convinced he’s a racist

            As I recall, his bid was turned down because he complained that the media was more likely give a black quarterback the benefit of the doubt than a white quarterback. Specifically, he thought McNabb was overrated.

            He turned out to be right, didn’t he?

          2. I think the NFL probably didn’t want the controversy and baggage he would bring. He’s a very politically polarizing figure, and that’s not desirable for a sports league.

    2. Derailing the thread with a tu quoque. Fairly effective, but entirely lacking in originality. You’ve done this trick before.

      3.5/5

      1. You are a bit generous in your grading, aren’t you?

        1. Well, it was somewhat successful. So, I have to give it upmarks for that.

  9. Suggested text for that hideous picture: The Three Stupids.

    1. “Lets see…we have Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Fates, Muses, Norns, Furies, …Stupids.”

  10. I’m not sure Instapundit has much room to talk on this given that he’s hardcore Team Red. I know he’s a ‘libertarian’ in that he doesn’t like the NSA, has no problem with legal prostitution, etc., but he spends enormous amounts of time shilling for the Republican party, including some pretty hard right Republicans.

    He’s still howling about the wonder of Sarah Palin for Christ’s sake.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/200270/

    Is there any greater signifier of conservative tribal identity than assuring people you love Sarah Palin?

    I like Instapundit and read him every day, but there’s something mildly hypocritical about a partisan complaining about partisanship.

    1. No. The way to show your tribal identity is to talk about how Palin is stupid and evil. Hating Palin remains the number one way for stupid people to feel smart.

      And she was dead on right about Russia in 2008. Meanwhile all of the “smart” people were wrong. If point out that fact offends your delicate sensibilities, life is like that sometimes. You try being smarter than Palin so perhaps her being right wouldn’t sting so much.

      And he is not complaining about partisanship. He is pointing out that Democrats use culture and racial identity to divide people and keep them from turning on the Democratic Party. That is an absolutely true and important point. Partisanship does not mean turning people against one another so that they don’t notice how loathsome your ideology is. Partisanship is just that, promoting a particular ideology or cause.

      1. “No. The way to show your tribal identity is to talk about how Palin is stupid and evil. Hating Palin remains the number one way for stupid people to feel smart.”

        I’m pretty sure both of these things are true. If you mindlessly hate Palin you’re showing your leftist tribal identity, if you continue fluffing her 5 years after she left office, it’s a way of showing your right-wing cultural bona fides. This is not a difficult concept.

        “And he is not complaining about partisanship. He is pointing out that Democrats use culture and racial identity to divide people and keep them from turning on the Democratic Party.”

        Yeah, the Republicans have certainly not engaged in cultural and racial identity politics in this situation. Just the Democrats.

        You’re engaging in the exact sort of cultural tribal politics you’re whining about the Democrats using. Well played.

        1. I’m pretty sure both of these things are true. If you mindlessly hate Palin you’re showing your leftist tribal identity, if you continue fluffing her 5 years after she left office, it’s a way of showing your right-wing cultural bona fides. This is not a difficult concept.

          How is pointing where she was right and her critics were wrong “fluffing her”. It is only “fluffing” if you are an idiot who worries that the other idiots might not like you if they think you think you might like Palin. For anyone else, it is pointing out a fact and by extension pointing out how stupid her critics are. Telling the truth is not fluffing.

        2. Yeah, the Republicans have certainly not engaged in cultural and racial identity politics in this situation. Just the Democrats.

          Do the Republicans rely on white people thinking the Democrats hate them for votes? Not that I have seen. Do the Republicans fight the culture war? Sure but they do that because their voters want their views represented. I get that it drives you nuts that those evil SOCONs have the nerve to vote and actually expect the people they vote for to represent their interests. It sucks and in a just world, they wouldn’t be allowed to do that. But they are and the Republicans occasionally actually represent their supporters’ interests instead of telling them to fuck themselves like we all so faithfully hope everyone does.

          But what the Republicans don’t do is create divides where none exist for the purpose of distracting people from the real issues. That is what the Democrats do and what Reynolds is talking about. If admitting that kills your street creed with the smart set, well suck it up and deal.

          1. Eh, wait just a minute there.

            But what the Republicans don’t do is create divides where none exist for the purpose of distracting people from the real issues.

            They do do that on the illegal immigration issue. When people bring up finding a way to make it easier for illegals to get legal, plenty of Repubs call it “amnesty”, which it isn’t.

            1. Letting ilegals become legal is amnesty.

          2. “Do the Republicans rely on white people thinking the Democrats hate them for votes? Not that I have seen.”

            I wouldn’t say whites in general, but certain subgroups – rural, Christian (especially evangelical), middle and upper-class suburbians, yeah. And not all of that is entirely undeserved by the Democrats. Just as the Republicans are not blameless for their reputation.

        3. if you continue fluffing her 5 years after she left office, it’s a way of showing your right-wing cultural bona fides.

          I don’t get the impression Reynolds is so much “fluffing” Palin, as responding to the lingering hatred. To this day (in NYC, at least) you can still hear people making Palin jokes. As you say, five years after she left office. Despite the fact that Palin, in hindsight, probably demonstrated better instincts than a lot of the people making those jokes.

    2. I read that as more of jabbing the “Sarah Palin stupid, me smart” crowd in the eye. He does support redder candidates than I would, that’s for sure.

    3. given that he’s hardcore Team Red

      PJ Media certainly has more than its share of partisan TEAM REDders.

      I don’t count Reynolds among them, personally. He leans that way, sure, but he’s a long way short of a frothing partisan.

  11. Classic moments with the Reverend Al

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPWQ4oVP-3Q

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  13. Alt text: Of the three magi, only Balthasar was unhappy that the baby wasn’t as dark as they were lead to believe.

  14. Alt text: Coming this summer: Riding Bitch, The Al Sharpton Story

  15. Hey, whatever it takes to keep government accountability off the discussion table.

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