Tonight on The Independents: The Day After, With Michael Barone, David Boaz, Bill Burton, and More

So Barack Obama wants to grab some bourbon with Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul wants to troll Hillary Clinton until it hurts, Ted Cruz just wants everyone to spell his name right, and the Western states continue to secede from the drug war. WHAT DO IT MEAN?

Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) gets to these questions and more, with special guests:

* Political number-cruncher nonpaeril Michael Barone.

* Cato Executive Vice President David Boaz.

* Former Deputy Obama Adminsration White House Press Secretary Bill Burton.

* Party Panelists Basil Smikle (Democratic political strategist) and Kayleigh McEnany (conservative commentator).

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

Comments

[juris imprudent]

Basil Smikle? If that isn't a John Cleese character I will be disappoint.

[PapayaSF]

Even better: Basil A. Smikle Jr. I think he's a P.G. Wodehouse character.

[Agile Cyborg]

basilz r awesome on tortteliniz

[Irish]

America is not colorblind This is a reality check

The chaos that this election result is about to unleash upon America will truly be tragic. This tragedy will happen, in ways that will shatter the mind and rend the soul.

And yet endless millions of people will still place the blame squarely upon the brown shoulders of Barrack Hussein Obama.

See, that's the thing about Americans. We're a nation obsessed with thoughts and feelings about race. Whether those sentiments are good or ill. They dominate the way we view this country. We praise our diversity, they curse the colored ones. Either way it holds our focus, more than reason, more than ethics, certainly more than politics. Besides, most Americans don't know at any given moment what party controls congress, nor are they able to pick their own representative out of a lineup. But everybody knows just who is in the White House. And everybody knows he ain't white. Even a blind man can see that.

...What.

[GILMORE]

"The chaos that this election result is about to unleash upon America will truly be tragic."

REAL PICTURES OF DEMOCRATS AFTER THE ELECTION

[The_Millenial]

This is the inevitable result of handing power over to war-mongering fascists. God help us all

[GILMORE]

"war-mongering fascists"

Hold on there buster... Hillary is still 2 years away.

[The_Millenial]

She paved the path for them. Her return would just be icing on the cake.

[Florida Man]

Mahoneyyyyyyyy!

[Trollo]

All Ronald Reagan's fault.

[Agile Cyborg]

RR is kingzo deadzz

[GILMORE]

"millions of people will still place the blame squarely upon the brown shoulders of Barrack Hussein Obama"

I so wanted to register to DU just so i could comment,

'Fact: Obama is *actually* Half White - which may be why he has failed us all?'

I can't bring myself to do it.

[PapayaSF]

Do it! All leftists should agree: the white half is the evil half!

[GILMORE]

we shall see.

if i get any bites, i'll post them here.

[GILMORE]

They removed my comment and I am now blocked!

Sweet. i literally posted one comment @ DU and managed to get booted *with only that line*

Open-minded, they are.

[GILMORE]

the person who started that thread actually (sort of) replied to my point with more retarded race-moaning. See it there.

[Irish]

It fractionalizes people. The president is half-white. Tiger Woods is half-Asian. My nephews and nieces are half-Asian as well. Some might not see the harm in it. But the act of labeling people in terms like half-this or three-quarters that ultimately undermines our humanity. It gives those who wish to keep our civilization in a tribal and feudal state that much more incentive to chip away at our humanity, to keep us all isolated. People are just people. And we love and cherish those close to us not for their heritage but for who they are. I have never loved a half-person in my life. I don't feel that I need to explain the reason why. Humanity is total. So is love. Please remember that always.

Holy shit that's funny. He clearly thinks this is deep.

[GILMORE]

". It gives those who wish to keep our civilization in a tribal and feudal state that much more incentive to chip away at our humanity, to keep us all isolated. And we love and cherish those close to us not for their heritage but for who they are"

yet this is the guy who 1 post earlier was insisting that race was unavoidable and that everyone was really voting against Democrats because Obama was black.

[PapayaSF]

Well, they're just really, really opposed to anything that might be anti-white racism....

[GILMORE]

I am quickly racking up some "One Shot Wonders" in terms of being booted from liberal websites.

I got booted from RawStory for asking whether simply objecting to the Affirmative Consent laws made me a 'rape apologist'. One post. Booted.

I have been booted from Du for saying "but obama is half-white?"

You'd think that would be open to some interpretation (given that it is 'factual'). I think the fact it was my 'first post' perhaps gave it away.

Never let anyone tell you liberals are either 'intolerant', or anything less than 'open minded' or interested in 'dialogue'

[Irish]

I got booted from RawStory for asking whether simply objecting to the Affirmative Consent laws made me a 'rape apologist'. One post. Booted.

Is Serious Man still allowed to post at Raw Story? They inexplicably let him post there for weeks without booting him.

He had some hilarious responses to his posts. They went nuts whenever he contradicted them.

[GILMORE]

he ruined it for me.

[PapayaSF]

I was booted twice from Boing Boing, despite a history, lots of upvotes (many more than the downvotes), and even an accepted submission. First, my sincere and civil arguments were deemed "trolling." Finally, it was my suggestion that as bad as he was, Chile was probably better off with Pinochet, compared to whatever Castroite Communist President-for-Life who would inevitably have taken power after Allende.

They've since changed their commenting system to make it harder to comment, and the last I checked, their comments are way down and less interesting. The relentless PC thought drove me away from the cool stuff they often featured.

[Agile Cyborg]

Thy R rukets to zunies

[juris imprudent]

Do you not see?

[Wasteland Wanderer]

It took him several seconds longer to finish giving the command to cancel the self destruct sequence than it would have taken for the timer to reach zero.

Which means the sequence was paused when he said "computer". Which is a fucking stupid way to set it up, because then anyone can pause it without actually giving the correct command and code phrase.

If Star Fleet wasn't run by idiots, James T. Kirk would have died right there.

[Gluesponge]

I would rather say it was responding only to his voice. So if someone else said "computer" it wouldn't respond...

The Riddler's finest work. 🙂

[Wasteland Wanderer]

If it's keyed to his voice only, then why the codes? Unless they implemented the codes so that someone couldn't just fake his voice...but then you're back at square one, because then they'd just have to get a recording of him saying "computer", which would be ridiculously easy since he says it all the damn time, and then they've got their super pause button again.

[Gluesponge]

The codes were to prevent someone using his voice, or to coerce the captain into saying it. It's 2-phase authentication.

In Star Trek 3, all the officers had to enter a code with their voices. A much improved system (prevents the captain from going nuts and blowing up the ship.)

[Gluesponge]

And I suspect the computer (since you can have a conversation with it) was sophisticated enough in their universe to know the difference between "live" and "memorex." 🙂

[Atanarjuat]

We're a nation obsessed with thoughts and feelings about race.

Indeed. Well, some of us are, anyway.

[Sudden]

We're a nation obsessed with thoughts and feelings about race.

It sometimes baffles me how someone can not see the projection in their own thoughts.

[PapayaSF]

I know. And they flip as required: e.g. being "color blind" is a bad thing to them, most of the time.

[Agile Cyborg]

RetroPap

[Suthenboy]

Again...limited number of explanations (racism, sexism, homophobia, global warming, the patriarchy) and one course of action ( destroy capitalism ) no matter the situation or issue at hand. Talk about peanut farming, automobile styles, geological history, mold on old fingernail clippings, dog training, etc etc and thats what you get; racism, destroy capitalism.

[Agile Cyborg]

Cap gum

[Emmerson Biggins]

I hate to rip off Epi's Schtick, but fucking Projection man! holy shit.

[MJGreen]

We're a nation obsessed with thoughts and feelings about race.

The most vibrant projection ever shared on this website.

[The_Millenial]

Matt: "These Democrats smell like sh*t."
Basil: "They are pieces of sh*t, Matt."
Matt: "Oh, good, then it's not just me. They're a bit nutty."

[GILMORE]

You run, "The Day After" in the headline, but fail to show a pic of a haggard Jason Robards fighting off nuclear irradiated roaches??

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS NATION THAT WE CANT EVEN SNARK PROPERLY ABOUT THE RETHUGLICAN KOCHPOCOLYPSE??

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Amanda Marcotte's hard-hitting midterm autopsy

Really, who you vote for relies heavily on the simple question of identity. While, in an ideal world, voting would be a simple act of counting up policies and voting for the ones you like the best, in our world, voting is an expression of identity, much like the clothes you wear or the music you like. Which isn't to say that it isn't meaningful! People talk about identity as if it's just some throwaway item of no real substance. But considering how the ugliest, most painful political fights are over identity, it's hard to deny that it is, whether you like it or not, a meaningful thing. It strikes at the core of who we are.

Actually a salient point.

For Republican voters especially, I just don't think these elections are really about policy but about striking back at the people who you think are "stealing" this country from you: single women, gay people, people of color, immigrants, liberal dudes who will probably wear baby slings when they become fathers...What we're seeing is white people who think of themselves as "traditional" demanding that this country belongs to them and the rest of us are, at best, interlopers.

It's like she typed the first paragraph, paused as if she were about to engage in some self-reflection, and then typed that.

[Slammer]

People like her now see the country as "theirs" and "traditional" whites as the "interlopers" who just need to die and go extinct.

This country "belongs" to everyone.

[The_Millenial]

Hey, those baby slings are pretty jarring. I imagine it was on the mind of quite a few voters.

[GILMORE]

As Epi always notes = projection, top to bottom.

Everything she accuses of the 'opposition' are just her own feelings about the masses of people she despises.

Similarly - reading the DU comments, you will note: Zero actual discussion of *policy*

They don't even bother once to consider that Obamacare has really hurt people's finances, and that this *might actually be a problem*.

Nope. Its 'rednecks who hate black people'. 1%'rs who want to oppress the poor. They see the election entirely through their own IDENTITY IS EVERYTHING lens, and find it impossible to see the world through a rational person's eyes.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Why the fuck did I click on that link?

The lack of oxygen in that world those people live in must be devastating.

[Agile Cyborg]

Bobobobobobobobobobobobob.

oxybib

[John Titor]

It's the Two Minutes of Hate (not the Independents' thing, the actual Orwellian concept). Just pure, emotive screaming at the enemy.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

She did engage in some self reflection, but that is what she saw.

Evil projection.

[Suthenboy]

see my comment above.

[Derpetologist]

It's time to play Spot the Not!: Lena Dunham edition. 2 of the following statements are real quotes from her:

1. When I graduated college I had a series of just humiliating jobs that I couldn't believe I was at.

2. Being the voice of a generation is not nearly as exciting as it sounds.

3. I have to write people who feel honest but also push our cultural ball forward.

I will be back in hour or so to reveal the answer.

[GILMORE]

1 is a not. "Was at" is too 'ethnic' sounding.

[Agile Cyborg]

Gilmorepistemologies by fukin wid da threads

[Suthenboy]

I am gonna say 2.

Now, I am off to bed. Let me know tomorrow what I won.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Imma with Suthenboy, there is a hint of self-awareness in that one; something Dunham apparently does not possess.

[Raven Nation]

Hmm, 1 & 2 are true.

[The_Millenial]

Henceforth, Reason shall only poll Lena Dunham when seeking to determine the views of millenials.

Does anyone dissent?

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

I only agree if poling involves a large stick.

[The_Millenial]

Dunham (and Millenials) are adventurous, so we'll see what we can do.

[Zombie Jimbo]

Not even with someone else's large stick.

[John Titor]

Hey man, Kanye West is my Voice of This Generation. Dunham must best him in personal combat before she can claim the title.

[Florida Man]

1. I don't believe she actually ever had a real job. Unless molester is a job.

[GILMORE]

To be fair, molesting was just an internship for her.

[PapayaSF]

Please share my Lena Dunham meme.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

2

[BiMonSciFiCon]

I think she said 2 or something close to it in "Girls" (I know this from a Kevin Williamson article, not the show), so I'm going with that.

Also, I bet her "humiliating" jobs were nothing of the sort.

[Derpetologist]

And the real answer is #2.

Cheers to FDA and Suthenboy. GILMORE, try harder!

[Emmerson Biggins]

Yo Derp :

Serious Question here :

If I want to go be a subtle slow building concern troll somewhere, where do I go?

I could never cut it at a full on progtard site. I need a tweener sight that is supposedly about something else but leans just kinda barely kinda sorta left, or is just starting to face an SJW invasion, but they don't know it yet?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS MASS!

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

INDEPENDENTS M' ASS!

[Slammer]

INDEPENDENTS M?S!

[GILMORE]

CAVUTO MONTAGE PAIN
MAKE STOP

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"nonpaeril"?

[Sevo]

"frog"?

[Sevo]

Is turd gonna be by so we can rub his nose in:
"his signature policy?the Affordable Care Act?continues to evoke a mass gag reflex from the public and was specifically cited as a negative by almost half of voters in this election."?

[Agile Cyborg]

Turdvo

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Hoops.

[Agile Cyborg]

Hoopsquettakian by lame fistorian,,,,

[Slammer]

White Squaw Pale Arms

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I thought it was pineapple yellow.

[Rev-Match]

Whatever it is, I believe she is trolling us.

[Fist of Etiquette]

PhD in Hillarynomics.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well, I can make a hat; I can make a broach; I can make a pterodactyl!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha, yeah, the Dems lost because they didn't hold Obama up as their man.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

OMFG! Really?

Might it have something to do with the fact you suck?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Success stories?

I'll go first.

Foreign policy!

He's been awesome!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm getting dizzy.

[Slammer]

TRUE BELIEVER! POLICIES ARE WORKING!!!

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

"We didn't embrace any of his success stories"

Because there weren't any!

[BigT]

VA, IRS, Secret Service, Middle East, Benghazi, Fast n Furious, ACA.

Those are his successes.

Oh, forgot GM takeover and cash for clunkers and bailout.

That's some record!

[Rev-Match]

The party should always be about consuming copious amounts of alcohol.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Narratives?

NARRATIVES?

I'll give you narratives.

Bush's fault, you're racist, war on women, fake scandals, and the system is rigged.

How's that for narratives?

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

You sound like a white house staffer.

[Trouser-Pod]

Dammit, you people DO like Obamacare! It's helping you!

[PapayaSF]

The complainers are suffering from false consciousness, having been brainwashed by the Kochs.

[Agile Cyborg]

Moneys invade the brain space... The kochs are true gents I'd share my wife with.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Kmele, if I were a woman, I'd have your baby.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

No homo. NTTAWWT.

[John Titor]

If barbarians can say fuck biology, you can too. NSFW.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That's, that's...

I don't know what that is. I know it frightens me.

[Atanarjuat]

Free from woman's taint?

[Agile Cyborg]

Taint is the tunn'lz o delight sweetolio

[19sigils]

thank you

[Heroic Mulatto]

WUT?

[PapayaSF]

Spin, Basil, spin!

[Slammer]

The bow tie squirts yummy tears.

[Agile Cyborg]

I have an intense love for the peoples on this site... Great fucking delicious personlities... strong gentz/n ladies.... the universe was fuckin created on these great swete minds.

[Atanarjuat]

Agile Cyborg's drug of choice: adrenochrome.

[Sevo]

Agile Cyborg's drug of choice: What Sevo won't touch.

[Atanarjuat]

Adrenochrome

[Heroic Mulatto]

A pictorial representation of my reaction to your wonderful comments.

[Slammer]

And photobombed by dog-thing.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I am Dog-Thing, my friend. I am Dog-Thing.

[Sevo]

Suitably inscrutable!
(oops RACIST)

[Heroic Mulatto]

Though, I never had a PSA as cool as this one.

[Slammer]

Remember when John Constantine pinched a bit off Swamp-Thing and rolled a joint with it? Alan Moore,man.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I was just talking about this with a friend a few days ago. Alan Moore needs to cut it out with the shock-value only porn comics and start writing good ones again.

[Slammer]

Its just such a Constantine thing to do, its brilliant. They're reprinting the Miracle Man comics, which are very, very good.

[Atanarjuat]

Um, what is so bad about allowing people to keep whatever plan they want?

[PapayaSF]

Nobody named "Basil A. Smikle Jr." should ever wear a bow tie.

Nobody, ever, should wear a plaid bow tie.

[Sevo]

"Nobody, ever, should wear a plaid bow tie."

I'm glad to be imagining that rather than seeing it.

[Agile Cyborg]

plaid is intrinsic spaces, se vo.......

[Fist of Etiquette]

"The president should have the flexibility to alter legislation on a whim."

[Sevo]

Honest, now: Did someone really say that?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha, no, not verbatim. But the Dem shill said that he needs flexibility to change Obamacare to jettison what doesn't work.

[Sevo]

So someone DID say that! Schmuck!

[Agile Cyborg]

Seco etivoetto

[Francisco d'Anconia]

He doesn't?

[PapayaSF]

Is Keystone XL still a possibility? I thought the Canadians had decided to build their own pipeline.

[John Titor]

Nope, still a pretty big thing up here. There's been other plans for pipelines to the east coast through British Columbia, and some ideas floating around for an 'Energy East' pipeline to Quebec.

[John Titor]

*West Coast. Jesus that was a stupid mistake.

[Agile Cyborg]

wat is this titor?

[Sevo]

I think the refineries in the US south are well suited to that sort of oil and there's more money to be made if it goes there.
That's from memory; no links...

[mauricegirodias]

While we were waiting, there are now three separate Bakken pipelines in the works, heading from ND to Illinois, the main oil terminal at Cushing, OK and I forget the third (it's an NG line I think) that should match Keystone's planned capacity, and hopefully prevent a few explosions on Warren Buffett's choo-choos. The pipelines don't go internationally, duh, so don't need State Department approval (and the EPA is about to be reined in.)

That said, I'd hold off on buying any Bakken stocks. Oil may be about to go a whole lot lower.

/DYODD

[Fist of Etiquette]

This guy doesn't even know what millennials means.

[GILMORE]

Now THAT is a tie-hanky combo

[Fist of Etiquette]

What happened? Minorities and women are unreliable!

[Sevo]

What do you expect? the NYT tells us they're the ones most affected!

[Slammer]

Please. Shut. Up. About. Millenials.

[Agile Cyborg]

Millen's love le Slammin's , brah. I view Slammin as a fukin rooute, brah. Sweet brah... holy fukma... like a slammasamwich.... tons o veggies... tons o meat.. tons o cheesies... tons o sauce...

fukin delish

[Fist of Etiquette]

Goddamn Gunderman Group.

[Rich]

Man to be eaten alive by anaconda in Discovery special

Since the "snake-proof suit" has a cord on the top of it, Rosolie is presumably pulled back out the snake's mouth after being "eaten."

"I'm going inARRGHHhh...."

[Heroic Mulatto]

So, The Discovery Channel is paying to produce someone's porn is what you're telling me.

[Agile Cyborg]

Mulato porn kin only be shown on alt universes.... FUKKKKKKKKKKKKK... I cn
't type...

Ok.. MUlatto OPORN can ONLY be shown on ALTernAtive falaxies...

[PapayaSF]

Learn the warning signs of a stroke.

[Heroic Mulatto]

It's been a while (a few weeks) since I've looked, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of that on our universe's Internet.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Trivia question: What was the name of Ollie North's smokin' secretary.

[Agile Cyborg]

Fist o sweet assholia

[Fist of Etiquette]

Close, but Fran got it.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yeah, this new thing called Google is smokin awesome for trivia. You should check it out.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I knew the name. The point was for you to guess not google.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

But for a second there, I looked smart.

[Agile Cyborg]

You are a seweet appiai......CHRIST...

you are swer ...sweet........appalachian fruit

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fawn Hall

[PapayaSF]

Fawn's still got it.

[Cdr Lytton]

Yes she does. And thanks to a long ago David Horsey cartoon, I still remember her name.

She can help shred her clothes with me anytime she likes.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 05 November 2014

Also Removes Stains-Edition

- Kennedy: Kennedy is a half-peeled bannana with lipstick. We like it more than the 'Biker Bitch' or the "Pumpkin Vomited by a Snake"* blouse of last week. We continue to reiterate our strong support for bright, intense colors on Kennedy; her super-pale skin and black hair just loves the contrast.

- Matt: PowerMatt - Polka-Dot-Red edition. Of the power-combos, we think it is more lighthearted than the 'John Bolton' (solid red), and perhaps less 'Power-y' for it. We're not sure Matt necessarily needs any potential 'clown-references' in his wardrobe. The days of the floppy-collar red shirt (aka The 'Erik Estrada') are not quite faded from memory.

- Kmele: Sweater Day - dude, you just had a free night off. Don't you think when you come back to work after a break you should wear a tie? Kennedy pulled an all-nighter with Cavuto and she took the time to spice herself up anyway? We are disappointed.

- Basil: That's what I'm talking about. This guy knows that his Team just got asswhooped the previous evening... and what does he do? Dress like he's going to a victory party. He understands the *metavisuals*

*h/t PapayaSF

Efcharisto

[Agile Cyborg]

efgilorasto boooobalo booo le whore poopers.....

[PapayaSF]

*bows*

[Fist of Etiquette]

What the hell. Is Boaz in disguise?

[WTF]

David Boaz looks like a muppet.

[Agile Cyborg]

He is minitroopohella cuza he suka

[Brochettaward]

I am so tired of seeing women lumped in with minorities. When Democrats/progressives say women, they don't even mean the entire gender. They mean single women specifically because they get far less support from married women.

I'm tired of the condescending and demeaning comments on how its angry white men - as if not one else is fed up with Obama and the progs.

[John Titor]

Also, statistically speaking, I believe women are actually the slim majority in the United States.

[Sevo]

"They mean single women specifically because they get far less support from married women."

They also only mean women whose names are followed by "D".
Any other women isn't a real woman.

[WTF]

Liberty did not win, the Republicans won.

[Winston]

Minimum wage increases won, sure some states legalized pot but legalizing booze didn't lead to some anti-government backlash, and very few people elected last night could be remotely construed of as even close to libertarian, the LP has no chance of winning a seat in Congress for the time being and Obama is threatening to rule by EO (much to the delight of Dalmia) but hey, libertarian moment!

[Paul.]

More expensive labor by fiat won, gun control won, prohibition for unhealthful food choices won, licensed and regulated marijuana won.

[Agile Cyborg]

wtf free

free gots a thik cumload of i dont giva shit up its asss

apologiz for fukin hammerd.....

Freedom died

[Fist of Etiquette]

Now Boaz is off into fantasyland. Not moving above sequester numbers. Please.

[Winston]

Even assuming that the Republicans actually want to cut the budget, they will be extremely lucky to actually cut the budget.

[Rev-Match]

What's wrong with pink pussy?

[Fist of Etiquette]

What. The. Fuck.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

My precious.

[Winston]

Also why is Nick Gillespie bitching about the GOP's penny pinching ways? I mean the GOP is anything but that and the spending cuts that libertarians demand are penny pinching and more extreme then what the GOP advocates.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I love cats.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What. The. Fuck.

[Agile Cyborg]

Sweet fine sweesugar booger...
lotsa lov for fist o whatayle fuck. guette

[Fist of Etiquette]

But, seriously, that guy's nipples were too big. I know, I looked.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Jar Jar?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I need to know what beer she was drinking before passing judgment.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No one said, 'I'd rather be eaten by you Kennedy?'

There I said it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Lightning gives you super power. Obvious choice.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Only if a wizard says something, or you were fooling around in a foresnics lab, or whatever the fuck happened to Black Lightning.

[Mitch Connor]

Congratulations Republicans

Wow. Obama really screwed us liberals.
We got NOTHING:
- Gay Marriage came from the States and, in fact, Obama was an obstructionist in the timing of eliminating DOMA and DADT.
- Weed Legalization came from the States, and, once again, he's been an obstructionist.
- War War War. I voted for him because I was against War. Well, that was awful.

I voted for him in 2008 and voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. I heard Johnson is running again in 2016.

I was really hoping for Change.

Had I known that we would had just had a black dude to continue war and to do ZERO for the Liberal cause, I would had voted for Mitt Romney.

Thanks Obama, I doubt we'll ever see a black guy or even a moderate-liberal in the Presidency for the next 20 years or so.

And Thanks Ruth Ginsberg for waiting to die while the Republicans are in power.
Now, instead of a 5-4 with Kennedy as the swinger, we now can enjoy 6-3 conservatives.

[Heroic Mulatto]

A- trolling.

Would read again.

[Trouser-Pod]

Would read again.

No, HM!!

[Irish]

Now, instead of a 5-4 with Kennedy as the swinger, we now can enjoy 6-3 conservatives.

I think you're a bit confused. The Kennedy who was the swinger got shot in 1963.

Had I known that we would had just had a black dude to continue war and to do ZERO for the Liberal cause, I would had voted for Mitt Romney.

You do realize Obama had engaged in a bunch of bombing campaigns prior to the 2012 election, right? If that was a deal breaker, you actually had an opportunity to vote for Romney knowing that Obama's a warmonger. Sorry, "humanitarian interventionist."

[Sevo]

I think maybe commie kid or asshole from mass.

[Trouser-Pod]

Kid Commie and Masshole

Ahh...now, there's a comic book to read.

[Irish]

It would be like a left wing version of that comic book where Robot Sean Hannity did battle with Osama Bin Laden.

[Irish]

Good God, this panel is funny.

[Trouser-Pod]

I thought it'd be more of a re-envisioning of the Kennedy dynasty.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

He voted for Gay J

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Pizza

[Agile Cyborg]

F'd ia

loves le

poem poop

[GILMORE]

The second girl who was asked the shark question was a former co-worker of mine.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Did you do her?

[GILMORE]

No. I have some regrets on that front. She was available at the time.

[PapayaSF]

Whoa, small world.

[Atanarjuat]

NO MORE DOUCHEY SURFER SLANG

[Fist of Etiquette]

Surfing into a wave of lightning throwing tarantulas.

[GILMORE]

One food?

"Chinese Food"

that kid was a genius

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Christ, Hillary is a disgusting hose beast.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well, I can make a hat; I can make a broach; I can make a pterodactyl!

[Slammer]

Its a twister! Its a twister!

[Rev-Match]

Hillary stating, bluntly, that "businesses & corporations" do not create jobs is what is harmful to Hillary. She will NEVER be president.

[Winston]

"You Didn't Build That" didn't harm Obama.

[Winston]

And Whatever happened to the "Era of Big Government is Over" Clinton Democrats?

[PapayaSF]

She did walk it back a few days later.

[Winston]

Link?

[PapayaSF]

Under fire for her comment that businesses don't create jobs, Hillary Clinton said Monday that she had "shorthanded this point" in a way that obscured what she actually meant.

[Sevo]

Yeah, sime walk-back:
'Companies need to pay high taxes to create jobs!'

[Emmerson Biggins]

It depends on what the definition of jobs is.

[BigT]

So Bazzel says Obumbo is NOT articulate...for a black guy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I just realized Foster isn't wearing a tie. It's like he wants to stay under the new GOP Congress' radar.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I notice someone on TI is a fan of The Band.

[Winston]

Enough with the old fogey bands. Where's the new music of this generation? Or does anything well known count as a sell-out?

[Slammer]

Well, they did play Guided by Voices once. Who are one of the greatest bands to walk the face of the earth.

[Winston]

Too Old. That's like hippies gushing over Benny Goodman.

[Agile Cyborg]

WinsTON... ol pushin boolut inta lo rivers o ghosty pimpn ke' boards

[PapayaSF]

Too bad Rand Paul can't run for Senate and President at the same time. I wonder what the outcome of that issue will be. Is there anybody similar in his state who can win his Senate seat? Maybe the KY state Democrats will change the law and allow him to run for both, on the grounds that he's a Goldwater-level extremist who's doomed to fail nationally...?

[Agile Cyborg]

R Paull cant drinkomustafo bulloa cummma ton a wham o fuckio gettta me a fuk in fukd up lika a whor bush

[Rufus J. Firefly]

'cummma ton a wham'

How do you know what I told that girl?

[Trouser-Pod]

Agile Cyborg Johnson's right!

[Agile Cyborg]

Kennedy is lovely

[Winston]

Where's Sirhan or Oswald?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"The buck stops with him."

Someone should inform him.

[Agile Cyborg]

Kenndy kin suk meeee fit cokkkkkkk

[Francisco d'Anconia]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

He said the buck stops with Obama...that's funny.

[Winston]

I guess he'll have to read the NYT to find that out.

[Rev-Match]

That's the thing about this White House. There are no hotheads.

Are you fucking kidding me? They are all self-absorbed, self-important nutcases that take ZERO responsibility for their actions.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THIS GUY HAS NO NEW INFORMATION.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

To work with, you have to take a even slight feint pretending to compromise a little.

Fuck off

[Rufus J. Firefly]

He's for 'what's in it for my legacy?'

[Fist of Etiquette]

Infrastructure investment. Energy investment. Economic recovery. One of those things doesn't belong.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Why is a flat tax crazy? Because you can't extract more than you deserve?

[GILMORE]

Because the way that *mature people* talk about things like taxes is in a very narrow spectrum of 'how to raise them', and anything else is to be labeled 'crazy right wing nonsense'.

[Sevo]

Yeah, are you going to be realistic or just dreaming?

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Hey Sevo, TSLA surprised. How long until weapon is back now that they can afford the PR dept. again?

[Sevo]

NotAnotherSkippy|11.5.14 @ 10:16PM|#
"Hey Sevo, TSLA surprised. How long until weapon is back now that they can afford the PR dept. again?"

Missed it; I'll look.
!!!!AMAZING!!!!! two-motor chassis didn't even rate a page on SFGATE, and I'll bet weapon was pitching it on sites where the key word TSLAFAIL showed up.

[NotAnotherSkippy]

It would be crazy for the socialists, because it would take away half of their ability to buy people's votes with other people's money.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner.

[Bill Dalasio]

Well, for the left, it would be crazy. The more you can shift the tax burden onto a smaller portion of the population, the more you can get people to support tax and spend and the more you can fight tax cuts as going to the rich.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

He's for a bunch of shit he did absolutely nothing about when he had the opportunity.

Kulaks a wreckers stopped him, though.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hurry up and end this show. I have to watch South Park.

[Winston]

Tivo it. (Is that still a thing?)

[Rufus J. Firefly]

PVR!

[Gluesponge]

South Park was pretty damn funny tonight... and it's got you Canadians in it again! 🙂

[Fist of Etiquette]

Minimum wage crap. No one said Americans were aces on economics.

[Sevo]

"No one said Americans were aces on economics."

FREE SHIT! FREE SHIT!

[Emmerson Biggins]

One day, I hope I own a company that hires people at minimum wage. Every time it is increased we'll have a lottery drawing to see who gets fired. It'll be awesome.

[Sevo]

"One day, I hope I own a company that hires people at minimum wage. Every time it is increased we'll have a lottery drawing to see who gets fired. It'll be awesome."

I LIKE it!

[PapayaSF]

Not a "soda ban," Kmele, just a tax.

[Agile Cyborg]

zkme;e;le kin suk dik

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Slammer]

Derbz!

[GILMORE]

lalalalalalala dobbs

[Agile Cyborg]

Gilmordobbbsboobs.....

[Fist of Etiquette]

What a minute. A Wednesday aftershow? Give me a break!

[Fist of Etiquette]

...or maybe not.

[Fist of Etiquette]

crickets

[Winston]

So what are the bands formed since 2004 that are loved by hipsters and music critics?

[Agile Cyborg]

Riffffle rafffffffffffffffffffn le Bronsonnnnnnnnn n booo

[GILMORE]

TV on the Radio
Four Tet
Bloc Party
Vampire Weekend
Silversun Pickups
Bon Iver
MGMT

[Winston]

I've never heard of any of them, so they must be brilliant.

Oh and only Vampire Weekend, Bon Iver and MGMT were actually formed since 2004.

[GILMORE]

as I said below = i have no idea when 'bands form' so much.

If these are the 'big and well known' bands, its because i'm not a hipster and don't give a shit about the newer stuff they think is mad deck

I note = the referenced 'hipster handbook' was published in 2003, which was the sign that 'hipsterism was already so old and gay that we needed to make fun of it'. By 2004, it was already an old joke, and by the time the NYT started writing about it, actual 'hipsters' had probably moved to LA.

Are you trying to out-hipster everyone by scorning whatever anyone suggests?

nice move.

[Emmerson Biggins]

Vampire Weekend sucks ass. I know that much. Maybe the rest are great.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Who gives a shit?

[Winston]

Well I'm tired oh hearing the Boomers going on about their rebellious music and how modern music sucks when they are gushing about 40/50 year old music.

[Emmerson Biggins]

Well duh. Stop listening to Boomers.

Or go to Amazon and see how many documentaries or fictionalizations you can find about Woodstock, and then watch them all in a 4 month binge.

Your choice.

[JeremyR]

More than anything, the terrible quality of modern music shows how Western culture is in decline.

[GILMORE]

FWIW i don't know how '2004' is relevant.

TV on the Radio / Yeah Yeah Yeahs / Bloc Party were all hanging out in Williamsburg in the early 2000s, which i think is how they all got Hipsterfied-associated

DFA records was sort of 'pre-hipster', but got latched onto by the Wburg set around the same time

[Winston]

I choose 2004 since that is within 10 years. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones were well known within 10 years.

[Sevo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmK9qFB1Y0

[Fist of Etiquette]

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10.

BULL. SHIT.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Asian support for Republicans is growing. This election they gave Rs 49% support.

Will Asians love Republicans for a long time?

bv.ms/1olxQPo

[PapayaSF]

Yeah, that's a reversal.

[GILMORE]

For fi dollah they will do *anyting*

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I don't know if 'growing' is warranted from a single data point, but it is interesting.

[Irish]

Two thoughts:

1. I laughed far more at that horribly racist joke than I should have.

2. The midterms tend to skew older. It's possible this is an outlier based on who voted and not an actual trend.

[Sevo]

"1. I laughed far more at that horribly racist joke than I should have."

No tickee, no shirtee!

[mauricegirodias]

Also, could be breaks between small-business-owning Asians (Koreans + Indians + Vietnamese + Cantonese-speaking Chinese), and gubmint handout Asians (Hmong + Rockville Chinese + Annandale Koreans near DC), with techies still voting prog for the most part..

[Sevo]

mauricegirodias|11.5.14 @ 11:49PM|#
"Also, could be breaks between..."

*Very* good point, regardless of the claimed specifics.
"Asians" covers entirely too much territory to be meaningful.
"Africans", anyone?

[mauricegirodias]

Yeah, dat's a guess. I think of how Asian restaurants I go to, how many take plastic (half), how many take AmEx (2). I always wondered what they think of increased regulations and Obamacare mandates.

Rockville, MD Asians were 99.6% Dem, ni zhidao ma?

[PapayaSF]

The first of the post-election Ebola news: The number of people under "active monitoring" for Ebola symptoms has increased from 117 on Monday to 357 people Wednesday, health officials said. The vast majority of those being monitored arrived in New York City within the past 21 days from the three Ebola-affected countries, the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation said in a statement.

[Irish]

Marcotte gonna Marcotte.

It's sobering to realize Democrats haven't had a clear shot to push their agenda federally in my entire lifetime.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Is she four years old?

[Almanian!]

She is only three years old
That's a real fine way to start

[Irish]

Amanda Marcotte is 37.

She didn't need to wait for 2008 for a period of Democratic dominance, she could have looked at 1992-1994 when Clinton had both houses of congress. Marcotte would have been 15.

Then she would have been 31 when Obama had both houses.

Yeah, it was so long ago!

[Sevo]

..."she could have looked at 1992-1994 when Clinton had both houses of congress"...

Presumes a sentient being.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

So, in possible fairness to her maybe she's talking about filibuster proof majorities? Of course in that case, that so rarely happens in American history one wonders what she wants.

[Emmerson Biggins]

So in possible unfairness to her, maybe she is just an ignorant cunt?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

In life we come across people, some whom we find agree with us, some who do not. We can either try to be unfair or fair to the latter. I try to be fair (at least in my 'real life' and I extend that to my 'internet life'), YMMV

[Emmerson Biggins]

That is an admirable aspiration, in the general format of things.

But have you never read her shit before?

And if you have read her before, are you denying that she is an ignorant cunt?

Just curious, for the record.

[GILMORE]

between this and the Thomas Frank piece the current Hard-Liberal media theme seems to be

"how do we pretend to ourselves that this election defeat doesn't reflect the actual unpopularity of our ideas?"

You see it everywhere. That 'obama isn't really 'progressive', and that the policies he put in place were really 'tainted by compromise' ...

(which is amazing how they say that, and then immediately assert that Obama was also entirely *obstructed and stymied*)

...that 'progressive liberals haven't had an honest chance to govern', that their ideas havent' been tested yet...

honestly, progs are almost designed to be an 'out of power' group. Their rhetoric is more fine tuned towards criticism of the ruling power than taking responsibility for it. They are basically throwing Obama's presidency under the bus/aborting it so that they can pretend they *never had a fair shot* at governing. They don't want to take any credit for the mess of the status quo. So they're cutting their ties and pretending that B.O. was someone else's responsibility

[Bo Cara Esq.]

You talk like this is some unique thing to 'progs.' Given your obvious bias I guess that's to be expected. But every ideological group that gets power and then is rejected by the voters later does this. The alternative is to consider their ideas did not work/were not popular legitimately.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Remember, H. Bush was put out because he wasn't 'really' a conservative, having gone back on his tax pledge, and W. Bush was repudiated because it turned out that, after the fact, compassionate conservatism was really progressivism and 'fighting Islamofacism' was really Wilsonian nation building.

Both sides do this.

[GILMORE]

yes, everyone is just like Amanda Marcotte and Thomas Frank. Your comparisons are completely apt.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Not conservatives like you, lawdy no!

[GILMORE]

You've called me a 'SoCon' in the past, yet been unable to cite a single policy or issue that i have socially conservative views on.

You've called me a 'Neocon' before - even though ive had to explain to you what that term *even fucking means* - yet, no: I've never ever endorsed using military power to proactively reshape nation-states, and in fact there's tons of examples of me arguing against the Iraq war for years prior to your arrival

And you insist on calling me 'conservative', as though i've failed some libertarian purity test you have which no one is allowed to see the scores on.

Your only evidence of my 'conservatism' seems to be that I make fun of progs fairly often.

Was there something else, or is that just part of your tiresome, more-libertarian-than-thou schtick?

[Bill Dalasio]

It's simple, Gilmore. Bo is a proggie. He plays the role of libertarian with the specific intention of casting out anyone who shows any conservative sympathies. Hell, he's attacked me for opposing any form of welfare.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Bill, you're an admitted member of the Republican Party. Please, physician heal thyself before diagnosing others.

[Bill Dalasio]

Bo: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"

Christ, Botard, you're becoming a caricature of yourself. Some libertarians are Republicans (Ron Paul, Rand Paul, hell, Gary Johnson right up until he ran for president on the Libertarian ticket). The very fact that you want to cite being a Republican as a disqualifier of Bo's One True Libertarianism (tm) demonstrates what a proggie douchebag you really are.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I've never called you a SoCon. I've said you seem touchy about criticism of them. I have called you a NeoCon based on your aping of their language about non interventionism

[GILMORE]

IOW, you throw labels at other people to boost your own self-assumed more-libertarian-than-thou status.

You're a fucking child.

[Emmerson Biggins]

Remember, H. Bush was put out because he wasn't 'really' a conservative, having gone back on his tax pledge,

true

and W. Bush was repudiated because it turned out that, after the fact, compassionate conservatism was really progressivism and 'fighting Islamofacism' was really Wilsonian nation building.

false, because of the conjunction.

he coulda gotten away with the compassionate conservatism. He lost because he started a stupid fucking war.

These are just facts.

[PapayaSF]

But this is not something the left shares with the right:

Their rhetoric is more fine tuned towards criticism of the ruling power than taking responsibility for it.

The left tries to remake society, and has many vague boogiemen they'll blame for failure: racism, sexism, colonialism, rich people, straight people. The right, believing more in responsibility and in not remaking society, is much less likely to try to shift blame in the same way, or to the same degree.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Oh, that's ridiculous. The Right doesn't try to remake society, or even basic human nature? Do you forget the many longstanding laws banning natural human desires and proclivities such as sodomy, homosexuality, cohabitation, adultery, pornography, that conservatives in the US have, and many still continue to, support? And as for 'boogeymen,' what would fit better than your own immigrant phobia: they carry disease, they carry liberalism, they carry poverty!

[PapayaSF]

Trying to preserve and enforce traditional restrictions, is not "remaking society." It may be the wrong thing (and often is), but it's the precise opposite of "remaking."

A phobia is an irrational fear. Everything on your list is provably true. And I don't blame nearly everything on mass immigration, the way the left blames nearly everything on racism, sexism, and the rich.

[Sevo]

GILMORE|11.5.14 @ 11:08PM|#
"between this and the Thomas Frank piece the current Hard-Liberal media theme seems to be
"how do we pretend to ourselves that this election defeat doesn't reflect the actual unpopularity of our ideas?"

Shorter version:
"My straw-grasper seems to need new batteries"

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Who reacts to the momentary unpopularity of their ideas with 'hey, maybe these ideas are wrong, perhaps we should revise them?' Certainly not conservatives (please provide examples I'm wrong if I am), or, to be honest, libertarians.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Nor should they. Think of this: the same electorate that astonished pollsters by having the GOP candidate come within a hairs breadth of defeating the incumbent Warner in Virginia just one year ago voted in the almost universally acknowledged slimy old school Democrat MacCauliffe (?). The same Iowa electorate that went for Obama two years ago elected Ernst, a woman who couldn't be more different.

[Emmerson Biggins]

True dat.

a reaction of 'hey, maybe these ideas are unpopular, perhaps we should chill out on them for a little while' is about the best you can ever hope for realisitically. At first.

But we still aren't seeing that on Obamacare. It's still the best thing evar even though most people fucking hate it. Or maybe I'm being to harsh. But still the idea of actually just straight up repealling the whole big pile of dog shit is seen as whacko-right-wing-extremism. Even though everybody knows it's a giant pile of dog shit.

[PapayaSF]

But it's not quite right to say this is about "unpopularity of ideas." It's about failure of ideas, which made them unpopular. The stimulus, the massive debt, the increased regulations, Obamacare, the social justice "advances," the racial healing, the "reset button," the "Arab Spring," saving the world from global warming, closing Guantanamo, ending wars in the Middle East: from the severely flawed to the totally disastrous.

Plus the NSA, the IRS, Benghazi, Ferguson, Ebola: there's almost nothing the Democrats can point to as a success in six years, and lots of things that look like incompetence or worse. All they've got is blaming Bush and Republicans and Fox News and the Koch brothers for being racist sexist homophobe rich people. The right (as a whole) didn't really do the equivalent in 2012, or 2006, or 1998, or 1992, or 1976, or 1964.

[Almanian!]

LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

These shows are still on?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Does anyone know Agile Cyborg's dealer?

[Paul.]

Cyborg asked his dealer to step it up a bit. So the dealer sold him something called "this is permanent".