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Politics

Tonight on The Independents: The Sharing Economy

Matt Welch | 9.12.2014 8:11 PM

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Who's the last first person you'd want driving you around for a fee? That's right, Kennedy:

Our hostess's participation in e-hailing is just one of many angles taken in tonight's special theme broadcast of The Independents on Fox Business Network (9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three and five hours later). "The Sharing Economy" will feature:

* Beloved Reason columnist Veronique de Rugy, talking about how the stifling regulatory state encourages these innovate workarounds.

* Fox Business Making Money host Charles Payne, who'll talk about why Uber and AirBnB are worth so much damn money.

* Airpooler co-founder Steve Lewis, who will talk about why the F.A.A. is so threatened by small-craft pilots taking strangers for a ride.

* Sidecar CEO Sunil Paul, and Getaround CEO Sam Zaid, who will talk about how much they hate Uber.

* Disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner, who will defend the regulatory state and otherwise do a lot of shouting.

* Dogvacay.com enthusiast Mike Lam and his dog Toby, who will demonstrate why peer-to-peer dogsitting is more rewarding than working for Goldman Sachs.

It's a terrific and informative program, and you should tell all your friends to watch it, two times. I'll be on Fox Business Network's After the Bell to preview the show at 4:45 ET.

And to get in the mood, there's nothing better than re-reading and re-watching Jim Epstein's marvelous multimedia piece from this spring, "All Hail the 'Sharing Economy!' A Mushy Phrase Gives Liberals Cover to Join the Fight Against Big Government."

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Matt Welch is an editor at large at Reason.

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  1. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

    Who's the first person you'd want driving you around for a fee?

    Who doesn't love a cabbie that won't STFU?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      She needs a bluetooth earpiece, and learn to jabber nonstop in Urdu.

      1. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

        I bet she smells all 'ethnic' too.

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Does she cut people off while driving as well?

      1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

        If only you knew....

    3. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      It's Lyft, after all.

      1. Warrren   11 years ago

        Ladytarian gives mustache rides! Film at 11!

  2. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I hear Kennedys are not very good drivers, but they make great swimmers.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder   11 years ago

      *golf clap*

    2. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      And in this case, 1000% true!

  3. The Original Jason   11 years ago

    Airpooler co-founder Steve Lewis, who will talk about why the F.A.A. is so threatened by small-craft pilots taking strangers for a ride.

    Because it's easier to regulate a few big airlines than thousands of single plane owning pilots with no employees?

    And it's in the best interests of the big airlines to shut down competitors who can't afford the lawyers to fight back?

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      See, I didn't miss anything by missing that segment.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I thought de Rugy had dropped off the face of the reason earth.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      See there? it says, "Beloved"

      What does that mean to you? 'friend of ours'

      Maybe she was in the doghouse for a while for some reason. Apparently now she's back in the gang.

    2. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

      Wasn't the article with the utterly insane trolls this past weekend a de Rugy piece?

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        Well, she's back and she brought her trolls with her.

    3. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      Do you read the print magazine?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        What am I? A baby boomer?

      2. robc   11 years ago

        What is "print"?

      3. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        That thing I use to start fires? It's for reading? How do you turn it on?

      4. Episiarch   11 years ago

        Way to walk into that one, Matt.

      5. pogi   11 years ago

        I'm a subscriber AND a baby boomer. I seed waiting rooms with them after I finish reading them. Sadly, rationality has yet to make a widespread appearance, but I keep hoping. It is hard to compete with the sheer nuttiness of the InfoWars magazine I find in waiting rooms.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

          I first read Reason mag in my allergist's waiting room.

          1. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

            Is that what they're calling it these days?

            1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

              Allergy Clinic, Brothel...who's counting?

              1. Warrren   11 years ago

                It's named Sneezey's Clean Passages so it's easy to be confused.

          2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            My dad gave me a subscription. One of his employees left him to go work for Reason in the early 90's, and forwarded a copy of what he was working on. It was immediately apparent that it was awesome.

        2. PapayaSF   11 years ago

          It is hard to compete with the sheer nuttiness of the InfoWars magazine I find in waiting rooms.

          What the heck sort of waiting rooms are you in, that have Infowars magazine??

          1. pogi   11 years ago

            I've found them in the waiting rooms of all of our clinic locations and no one seems to know how they got there (IT'S A CONSPIRACY!) so I'm assuming that there are some Alex Jones fans in our patient population seeding our waiting rooms with InfoWars just as I do with my read copies of Reason, motorcycle and audio magazines.

      6. Redmanfms   11 years ago

        Print is dead.

  5. GILMORE   11 years ago

    " Disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner"

    This should read, "Disgrace to Humanity, Anthony Weiner..."

    Because, What? If he were STILL a congressman, he'd be the kind of guy you'd go on a roadtrip with?

  6. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Also =

    Hopefully in this episode they will swifty and decisively make the point that "Sharing Economy" is just a bullshit way for millenials to be 'Capitalist' while still pretending they're not.

    1. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

      I don't know why you're so cranky.

      We should just rename Capitalism to Mutually Beneficial Voluntary Sharing and reap the benefits for a few years until the idjits catch on.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        I'm thinking of how Apple chose to pander to this kind of magical-thinking in particular, scolding shareholders for suggesting the company had an obligation to 'maximise value'

        having worked in consulting, i know how pernicious 'fuzzy ideas' can be in the real world. the problem to me seems to be that younger people seem to come to believe Marketing Bullshit is actually a replacement for real economic-reasoning.

        1. VG Zaytsev   11 years ago

          Yeah?

          So run with it.

    2. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      I spent a minute or two making that precise point in last Friday's show.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        well... I must have been saying nice things about your clothes at the time

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

          What are the odds of that? 25%?

  7. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

    * Dogvacay.com enthusiast Mike Lam and his dog Toby

    I first read that as "Dogvajayjay.com enthusiast . . . .", which I thought was taking the whole "sharing" thing a little too far.

    1. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

      It's hard to look at the company name and not think Dogvajayjay.com.
      Perhaps Matt will find out tonight if that's what the employees affectionately call the company when safe in their cubicles.

  8. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

    Conan's was funnier.

  9. Winston   11 years ago

    I always find it interesting that there is a lot of resentment towards regulators and politicians in places like Latin America, Greece and Italy yet the solution always seems to be to vote for TOP. MEN. who will hand out more free shit.

  10. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

    I wonder how much Lyft's female drivers make in comparison to their male counterparts.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      Bell curve based on breast size, duh.

  11. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Who's the first person you'd want driving you around for a fee?

    Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      +1 chucka wacka chucka wacka chucka wacka wack wacka wack

    2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You know, when you think about it, some of those lyrics seem suggestive.

      1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

        SHUT YO MOUTH!

        1. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

          He's just talkin' 'bout Lyft.

  12. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    "Third Time's the Charm

    "Mitt Romney should run in 2016. He could win.

    "By ROBERT C. O'BRIEN and HUGH HEWITT"

    http://www.politico.com/magazi.....z3D9Cui2Vm

  13. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    "Competition Is for Losers

    "If you want to create and capture lasting value, look to build a monopoly, writes Peter Thiel...

    "...By "monopoly," I mean the kind of company that is so good at what it does that no other firm can offer a close substitute. Google is a good example of a company that went from 0 to 1: It hasn't competed in search since the early 2000s, when it definitively distanced itself from Microsoft MSFT -0.65% and Yahoo!

    "Americans mythologize competition and credit it with saving us from socialist bread lines. Actually, capitalism and competition are opposites. Capitalism is premised on the accumulation of capital, but under perfect competition, all profits get competed away. The lesson for entrepreneurs is clear: If you want to create and capture lasting value, don't build an undifferentiated commodity business."

    http://online.wsj.com/articles.....1410535536

    1. ant1sthenes   11 years ago

      He's really contributed to the problem. What he's talking about is not a monopoly, but an industry leader. Anyone could theoretically pop in and eat their lunch, the only thing keeping them at the top is a reputation for quality and value.

      1. robc   11 years ago

        Bing is competition so it isnt a mono....

        Okay, im laughing too hard to finish that.

        1. Warrren   11 years ago

          Did MS pick that name because another Bing had a history of beating people?

          1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

            Chandler??? I highly doubt it!

            /could explain some of the later episodes.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Wanna succeed in business?

      Be lucky.

      Thank you. Buy my book.

      1. Warrren   11 years ago

        And if you sell a million and get rich were you lucky or good?

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          You playing tricks with me?

          Because Trix are kids.

          1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            are for kids.

            1. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

              Silly rabbit.

          2. Warrren   11 years ago

            Soylent Green is people!

    3. VG Zaytsev   11 years ago

      Americans mythologize competition and credit it with saving us from socialist bread lines. Actually, capitalism and competition are opposites. Capitalism is premised on the accumulation of capital, but under perfect competition, all profits get competed away.

      1) Thiel is correct in the last sentence. Profits will be minimal in a truly free market and ultimately be an ephemeral incentive to continuous competition.

      2) That Thiel sees this reality as a negative is an admission on his part of zero sum thinking, and a penchant for cronyism.

      3) Which is why it is almost always a mistake to equate free markets with pro-business and to believe that successful businessmen are willing and effective advocates for freer markets.

  14. TheZeitgeist   11 years ago

    * Dogvacay.com enthusiast Mike Lam and his dog Toby, who will demonstrate why peer-to-peer dogsitting is more rewarding than working for Goldman Sachs.

    Dogvacay? I've got a nice little past with the VP of Software Development over there...long story short, he's a piece of shit brown as his diverse Mumbai-mumbling ass. We parted ways after I offered to toss him off the balcony we were having our 'conference' on. If there's a next time, I'm not even asking before I see if that ball of shit flies.

    Have a nice weekend.

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      I feel like there's more to this story.

      1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

        You could always have him tell it on "after-hours".

        1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

          You're highly educated in languages, right HM? WTF does "Mumbai-mumbling" mean?

          1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

            I'm guessing he meant that the dude sounded like this?

            1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

              Shouldn't it be "Hindi-mumbling"? I'm vexed.

              1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

                Well, as you know, India has a bajillion different languages. Marathi is the regional language of the state Mumbai/Bombay is located in.

                Also, alliteration. Just go with it.

                1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

                  So it should be "Marathi-mumbling". Alliteration accomplished.

                  Please Reason, more Verizon ads!

  15. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    I see Matt Welch has been telling tales out of school...

  16. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

    What do the cunts over at Salon think about Uber? Exactly what you would imagine:

    What happens when Uber's priorities turn to generating cash rather than spending it? What happens to labor ? the Uber drivers ? when they have no alternative but Uber? What happens when it rains and the surge-pricing spikes and there's nowhere else to go? A company with the street-fighting ethos of Uber isn't going to let drivers unionize, and it certainly isn't going to pay them more than it is required to by the harsh laws of competition. It will also dump them entirely in a nanosecond when self-driving cars prove that they are cheaper and safer. Making the case that drivers are benefitting from the current recruitment wars starts to look like a pretty short-term play. The more powerful Uber gets, the more leverage it will have over labor.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      Shorter Saloon:
      Lets not create jobs for people unless those jobs can be made eternal and pay more than their replacement value.

      1. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

        So, shorter shorter Salon: Lets not create jobs for people.

    2. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

      "The more powerful Uber gets, the more leverage it will have over labor."

      So conversely they admit that Uber's appearance on the scene and 'fighting it out' with other innovators is good for 'labor' and so we shouldn't stop off this new innovative market with the kind of regulatory regimes that ossify markets into a few big, major players?

  17. Warrren   11 years ago

    You can only have one: a classic .45 ACP 1911 or any revolver in .44 Special.

    Pick and defend your answer.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

      The .45.

      I don't like revolvers.

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        Racist?

    2. Sudden   11 years ago

      Also the .45. Because fuck anything that thinks it's special.

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        The .44 should check its privilege?

    3. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

      M1911 all the way. Quicker mag changes, slightly larger magazine capacity, and is a bit more powerful.

    4. GILMORE   11 years ago

      no Colt Python in .44 Mag? I'm breaking the rules and taking one of those.

      on 1911s...

      never owned one, shot a few, think the battery of arms is terrible for actually self defense/carry. Love the guns as works of engineering, but for an 'anytime anywhere' piece i'd want a wheel gun.

      Also, when you point a Python at people, they die on the spot because you're just so fucking badass. I'd grow a mustache just to match the gun.

      1. Redmanfms   11 years ago

        no Colt Python in .44 Mag

        Python was .357. The Anaconda was .44.

        never owned one, shot a few, think the battery of arms is terrible for actually self defense/carry.

        Uh, okay.

    5. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      1911. I back up my statement by owning 2.

    6. Redmanfms   11 years ago

      1911. If you have a Harley mentality and don't mind the shorter maintenance interval it has versus a more modern design, it's a great piece.

      Revolvers are dead technology. They offer nothing over an autoloader.

  18. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The have Joe Piscopo on Cavuto.

    He looks like Skeletor, and is praising Chris Christie

    1. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

      The have Joe Piscopo on Cavuto.
      He ...... is praising Chris Christie

      Yikes! Did he do his old bit "Are you from Jersey? Really? Which exit?"

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Hoops.

  20. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Are these the biggest hoops ever?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: These new ads on reason are going to piss me off.

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Ads?

  22. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I thought she was gonna rear-end that van.

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      You and me both, sister!

  23. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Is the cameraman kicking in for this ride?

  24. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Kennedy looks hot tonight.

  25. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

    Welch -
    Can you ask the marketing team at Reason to consider adding a few more Verizon pop up ads on each page? Maybe have them pop up in 15 second intervals right in the middle of the screen? They should make these ads really difficult to close, too....like tiny, obscured "close buttons".

    Thanks Matt.

    1. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

      and please make sure they continue to pop up every time you refresh a comments page.

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      AdBlock

      1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

        Problem solved; many thanks.

    3. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      And when you miss the tiny, obscure button it opens up more ads or windows altogether.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        And when you miss the tiny, obscure button it opens up more ads or windows. (in unison)

    4. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      What an excellent idea!

      1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

        I get a 15% cut of the ad revenue.

  26. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Bring on the Payne!

  27. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Wait.

    Kennedy wanted someone to shut up?

    Start end of world music - whatever that may be.

  28. BigT   11 years ago

    Kennedy couldn't wait for the guy to shut up - no interrupting off camera?

  29. SusanM   11 years ago

    OT: Sorry, more of teh ghey:

    http://www.businessinsider.com.....mes-2014-9

    Facebook has started cracking down on the names people are using on the site in an effort to "keep our community safe."

    But among those affected by this policy shift are performers, including drag queens, who don't go by their legal names and are more well-known by their stage names or nicknames.

  30. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Payne completely misses it = there's not going to be any serious 'competition' on the App-Driver thing.

    its like ebay - a market that only sustains one player.

  31. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    From Ubermensch to Uber robots!

  32. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    VERONIQUE!

  33. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Wait. We're allowed to call her Vera?

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      VERO.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        The day I let some Frog tell me, an American, what I can call her... I'm calling her Vera now and she can blame Kennedy.

      2. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

        Like the east coast Florida beach community?

        "Get the rock out of Rockledge, get the coke out of Cocoa, get me out of Melbourne."

  34. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Kennedy calls her "Vera"?

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      So does Jayne.

  35. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    She's not coming back after getting cut off like that.

  36. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    GODDAMMIT THIS FUCKING AD. And I already have Verizon, dummies.

    1. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

      AdBlock knocked it out for me. FdA linked it above.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        I don't use Chrome. Google already has enough of my information.

        1. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

          Firefox also has an Adblock extension.

  37. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    For remote guests, by the camera there should be a countdown clock so they know they're about to be played off the stage.

  38. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents Attire Review, 12 September 2014

    Oh, Selassie-Edition

    - Kennedy: Are we back to sleeves? this may be a fashion milestone more imporant than Labor Day. It means no more bare shoulders and arm-flesh from Kennedy. As for the shirt, I like it much better thant the blank white or black T's she's worn; its a little more dynamic and drapes better.

    - Matt: PowerMatt - Cyan-blue Edition. I don't know if he's doing it intentionally, but he's tying the 4-in-hand more loosely and getting the 'fatter knot'-effect which i think looks better with his wide point-collar shirts. Of the Power-Ties, I think this and the Red have the best impact with the white shirt.

    - Kmele: Needs more 'fuzzy slippers and cocoa'. I like the cardigan, and the plaid shirt actually looks better here than with some jackets (its more casual overall so doesn't look out of place). I'm still a little weak on the black tie w/ 'plaids'.

    - It Paynes Me: I know the dude is XXL and such, and the Normal Rules should not apply - but CP here demonstrates the 'cheapening' effect of how some people wear pinstripes w/ garish colors and it produces a cheapening-effect that really only works for Football Halftime shows. The british call this "Chav"-fashion. Ghetto-fabulous.

    Ameseg?nall?

    1. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      Kennedy looks hot today, and I just got home from a day of classes at an ACC party school.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        She did something with her hair i think

  39. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Apparently 1 in 3 people who watch The Independents have 'the Shingles'.

    (looks at Epi)

  40. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    Welch is tweeting the topic of each segment as they come up. Either he really got into this show or he's stuck in an airport somewhere.

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      It's not often that I get to watch the show from home!

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        No cocktail party? Are you drunk. at least? 🙂

  41. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Way to go Kennedy.

    Go for it again.

    Interrupt.

  42. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    They can afford better attorneys/lobbyists.

  43. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    EDIT! Totally an edit there.

  44. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    Why is it bad to make money doing this? I guess evul kkkapitalism?

  45. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    They squash because they can - and they have to protect their own jobs and pensions.

  46. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Not really a good reason. God knows private pilots want to crash and paying passengers aren't able to make risk decisions without the government.

  47. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Yeah. Welcome back, wiener.

  48. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Why is he a "former" US congressmen?

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Nice cock, buddy.

  49. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Why do you let this fuckstain on your show?

  50. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "We don't allow." That's his argument.

  51. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    What if you had an accident on Twitter?

  52. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    I thought Weiner was only a piece of shit in his private life. Guess I was wrong.

    And holy shit, Matt just rhetorically slayed him.

  53. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Funny, there aren't any car inspection requirements where I live. And nobody's dying.

    Fuck this shitweasel.

  54. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "I'm losing the conversation, so let's reset it."

  55. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Horse.

    Shit.

  56. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    If they let this one serf escape it will only encourage the others to attempt the same thing.

  57. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    He's a pig.

  58. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    You shouldn't have the regulation...pig.

  59. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I love the liberals who insist that other people who provide 'information' are confusing the audience - then proceed to tell bullshit 'extreme hypotheticals' that have zero basis in fact

    "What happens when some AIDS driver in a exploding pinto decides to drive offroad using leaded gasoline?? ANARCHY!"

    when told their ridiculous exaggeration is an exaggeration, they go, "You're confusing the audience!"

  60. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The thrust of Weiner's argument is to shout louder.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Uber doesn't pay for protection. that seems to be the short of it.

    2. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      The thrust of Weiner

      ISWYDT

  61. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Matt...stop putting this asshole on.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Second the motion

      1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

        I kind of love it, not gonna lie. A combative spokesman of the liberal mind.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

          Bring the commie back while you're at it.

          1. Sevo   11 years ago

            Isn't he posting now?

        2. BigT   11 years ago

          Agree, Matt. Good to see you guys carve the Weiner.

          1. BigT   11 years ago

            We... Grill the Weiner? Roast the Weiner? Beat the Weiner? Flog the Weiner? Slice the Weiner?

  62. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Seriously, Weiner go FUCK YOURSELF you presumptuous prick. If you were in my house I'd tell you to go fuck a plant and then ask you to leave.

  63. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Ha. Weiner is going to tell the consumer what's easier for him.

  64. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    The Independents, now with 85% more SHOUTING!

  65. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Lying idiot!

  66. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    I lost half my brain cells listening to that hyperventilating tossed word salad.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      How much can someone defend statism? It's insufferable.

      We regulate for the people. GTFOH.

  67. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The solution to all his problems is for Weiner to leave.

  68. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Thank you for standing up to that little prick.

  69. Otis B. Driftwood   11 years ago

    The broad he sexted on Stern. Not too shabby; maybe a 7. Wasn't she supposed to be Jewish? I seem to recall fuckface making some comment about Jewish broads not smoking pole.

    1. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      "flattered that he trusted me enough to send pictures of his dick"

      Chicks find that flattering?!

      This changes everything...

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        "I was flattered he trusted me..."

        Because you totally mailed them to the NY Post for $10,000 like 5 mins later? HA!

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          "Flattered" that he was dumb enough to do so?
          So she's working on a con rep?

  70. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    We already know your "solution" Anthony, OBEY.

  71. Matt Welch   11 years ago

    "Ahhhh, Manufacturing Marvels!" says the naturalized citizen.

  72. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    Weiner is just mad at apps because he can't get any matches on Tinder.

  73. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Oh, just the NSA.

  74. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

  75. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Well those two guests were a significant step up.

  76. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The question is, how do i kennel my ferret?

  77. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    I'm not letting the Asian guy borrow my dog. #GeneralTso'sToby

    /Racist

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      +1 kegogi

  78. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Cute dog.

  79. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I had my friend's dog and it got into a porcupine and I had to take it to the vet and it couldn't handle the anesthesia and died about a week later.

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Dog killer!

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        I've killed porcupines I've found on my property for this reason. A couple times I've had to take quills out of my dog (from the same litter as my friend's dog) but he's better at letting me remove them. Anyway, at 12 years old they are/were on their last legs.

        1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

          Shot 2 porcupines yesterday while hunting. Normally my dogs point them rather than bite them, but I've had it go the other way. Never had it so bad that I needed a vet though, thank god.

          Rattlesnakes...another story. One of my dogs has been bitten twice. Not cheap...

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            You guys are such liars. Porcupines are no more real than unicorns are.

  80. GILMORE   11 years ago

    so, ive had the show on mute off and on, but have they made Matt's point again about how the "Sharing Economy" was plain old 'capitalism' made fashionable for Millenials who are weak on the old 'invisible hand' stuff?

    oh, jesus - another 'Shingles' commercial.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      ..."the "Sharing Economy" was plain old 'capitalism' made fashionable for Millenials who are weak on the old 'invisible hand' stuff?"...

      I'm told "money" is not accepted at Burning Man, and I presume this means US currency. But it is a measure of the ignorance of those there that other goods form an acceptable currency.
      Further, the good ol' mazoola may not be good on the playa, but if you look at some of the stuff that goes up there, a whole hell of a lot was spent prior to getting there.

  81. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Weiner brings out the worst in me. I have to deal with shit like this ALL THE TIME in my business. Righteous - and sometimes arrogant - bureaucrats who actually think they're doing good. I had one tell me 'I know we ask a lot but I was in Africa recently and we're lucky we do things this way. It ensures we get it right."

    I had to bite my lip so hard I musta been bleeding.

  82. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Ah. Puppyless and not Lou Dobbs.

  83. GILMORE   11 years ago

    He's a complicated man, that no one understands ....DOBBS!

    Damn right

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      DAMN WRONG! WEBSTER?!

    2. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

      I wonder if someone could convince Lou to participate in a Shaft parody video...

      Excellent, Gilmore.

  84. GILMORE   11 years ago

    "When a military aircraft goes to a foreign country and drops bombs on people, its called....?"

    ?

    well, what's important is that the White House is the only organization on Earth (Including the terrorists) still calling them "ISIL", which i think is good.

  85. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    Who the hell are the 30K guys fighting for ISIS? I assume 20ish bearded losers from across the Islamic world.

    If only we could convince American hipsters to go kill themselves for some nebulous religious goal.

    1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

      It's called Environmentalism but, like ISIS, they are determined to take as many of us with them as possible.

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      Atanarjuat|9.12.14 @ 10:09PM|#
      "I assume 20ish bearded losers from across the Islamic world."

      Uh, that pretty much describes the younger population in the areas in question.
      They sure aren't working on the newest app in the hopes of funding.

  86. Irish   11 years ago

    Conservatives shriek about CONSERVATIVE POPULISM with a little mixture of SOSHUL CONTRACT!

    Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has emerged as the face of Silicon Valley's support for amnesty and expanded immigration quotas, notwithstanding persistently high unemployment and underemployment among America's STEM graduates. So on the Senate floor, Sessions took on Zuckerberg in old-fashioned, populist style. Sit back and enjoy this video of Sessions in action; I score it as a TKO. But be sure to listen to the end, because it isn't just a populist demolition. In the last minute or so of the video, in a peroration that is both moving and profound, Sessions reminds his fellow Senators of the social contract between Americans and their government, and calls on Senators and other government officials to return the loyalty of the American people.

    I love the term social contract because it means whatever the current speaker wants it to mean. Keeping out immigrants? SOCIAL CONTRACT! 15 year olds having abortions without their parents being informed? SOCIAL CONTRACT! Gun control? SOCIAL CONTRACT. Outlaw gay marriage? SOSHUUUUUL CONTRACT!

    1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

      The most hilarious thing is that the comments to that article are powered by Facebook.

      1. Irish   11 years ago

        The social contract says that only bitches use Disqus.

        It's the one section we can all agree on.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

          I do remember signing that contract as a neonate.

          1. SIV   11 years ago

            Your footprint is as good as a signature.

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      ..."notwithstanding persistently high unemployment and underemployment among America's STEM graduates."...

      Cite(s) missing.
      And please define "America['s]"

  87. The Knuckle   11 years ago

    I haven't had a chance to watch the while episode yet, but please tell me someone called Weiner, Carlos Danger at least once!

    1. The Knuckle   11 years ago

      *whole

  88. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Anyway. Good show tonight.

    I like themed Fridays as I've already mentioned.

  89. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    Interesting piece on ISIS Trutherism.

    Blame Hillary
    Perhaps the most prevalent conspiracy theory is based on fabricated sections of Hillary Clinton's memoir, Hard Choices ? called Password 360 in some Arab accounts. In these passages, spread over Facebook, Clinton purportedly recounts how, as secretary of state, she spearheaded a U.S. plan to create ISIS to wipe out the despotic rulers of the Middle East and replace them with more malleable Islamist leaders.

    Also, apparently Pat Cockburn is a real person's name.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

      So someone has finally gotten around to reading antiwar.com lately?

      1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

        I only read antiwar.com when it pops up in my Twitter feed, usually from Lucy. This article was by someone else at The Week.

        1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

          I've never read any Cockburn, though. From the article mention he seems like he might be a bit odd.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

            Cockburn

            1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

              An obvious Reptilian.

        2. Irish   11 years ago

          The problem is, one of those conspiracy theories is true.

          Pretty straightforward so far. TomDispatch then posted an excerpt of Irish journalist Patrick Cockburn's new book, The Jihadis Return: ISIS and the New Sunni Uprising. Cockburn says that by fighting ISIS in Iraq and supporting its objectives in Syria (toppling President Bashar al-Assad), the U.S. "has created a situation in which ISIS can survive and may well flourish." But Cockburn also accuses the U.S. of arming ISIS ? not just because U.S. weapons and vehicles given to Iraq's army fell into ISIS's hands, but because it armed other militias in Syria, some of which were known to be allied with jihadists.

          This is 100% true. It's an absolute fact that many of the Free Syrian Army groups we were supplying were giving weaponry and aid to ISIS all along. Moreover, it's now believed that the journalists who were killed may have been seized by Free Syrian Army personnel and given to ISIS as signs of submission.

          The US had a major role in supplying and aiding ISIS, we just did it through gross incompetence rather than a conspiracy.

          1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

            Hanlon's Razor strikes again.

          2. Sevo   11 years ago

            "The US had a major role in supplying and aiding ISIS, we just did it through gross incompetence rather than a conspiracy."

            Not sure about the "we", but stupidity wins over planning in most all gov't activities.

          3. Heroic Mulatto   11 years ago

            Pictured: Chechen ISIS commander Commander Muhajireen Kavkaz wa Sham

            1. GILMORE   11 years ago

              Note: USAID tent.

              Probably donated for palestinans, smuggled for use by jihadis. Probably having been done for decades.

              Well, its good to know american taxpayer aid to foreigners isn't "wasted". I'd hate to see stuff just 'lying around' unused.

              1. Sevo   11 years ago

                GILMORE|9.12.14 @ 11:33PM|#
                "Note: USAID tent."

                Easily staged, so while I agree, it's pretty thin tea to hang on someone.

                1. GILMORE   11 years ago

                  "Sevo|9.12.14 @ 11:38PM|#

                  GILMORE|9.12.14 @ 11:33PM|#
                  "Note: USAID tent."

                  Easily staged, so while I agree, it's pretty thin tea to hang on someone."

                  ?

                  You're saying, "Its faked"?

                  Or, "even if its not faked, big deal"?

                  a) its not faked, b) no ones saying its a huge deal -i think them driving around in MRAPs is a far more legit gripe-

                  ... however it does provide some insight into how "The Great Satan" will never win hearts and minds through our passive generosity and goodwill.

                  out of curiosity, what *did* you mean?

                  1. Sevo   11 years ago

                    All I'm saying is that it would be easy to end up with USAID tarps and use them for the backdrop of a photo; doesn't have to be faked, and doesn't prove anything other than the tarps are easily gotten.
                    Now, if you show me a photo of an ISI(X) guy sitting in an F18 that isn't faked, I'll get nervous about how US GI stuff is handled.

                    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

                      "show me a photo of an ISI(X) guy sitting in an F18 that isn't faked, I'll get nervous about how US GI stuff is handled."

                      uh, i doubt they could fly an f18. Sort of a 'single use' item there.

                      MRAPs, on the other hand, they seem to have a few of.

                      Which isn't like, Scary or anything, since they're basically the military version of an Escalade with terrible milage, but still = its frustrating that we're spending millions to bomb weapons/materiel the US taxpayer funded many times over already.

  90. Sevo   11 years ago

    Just too, uh, toooooooooooooo to pass up:

    "Cyclists report having better sex lives, according to a study."
    http://www.sfgate.com/life/hea.....-77817.php

    Nothing like self-absorbed twits bragging, right?

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      That's interesting, because bicycle seats can be bad for the prostate.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        PapayaSF|9.12.14 @ 11:53PM|#
        "That's interesting, because bicycle seats can be bad for the prostate."

        That was completely under my radar; never heard anything about it.
        But then if you check the comments, you'll find apologetics regarding that.
        Hmm; 'doth protest too much' by any chance? 'Well, uh, no that really doesn't happen; we fuck all the time! Really! Really, really!

      2. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

        Doesn't do wonders for the old sperm count, either.

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