Tonight on The Independents: The Latest ISIL Beheading, Grover Norquist Tells All About Burning Man, Report from the Russo-Ukrainian Mini-war, Leaked Nudes, Revolving Cantor, NSA, Minimum Wage, Plus After-show!
Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later), like so many others of late, begins with some gruesome business: the news that American journalist Steven Sotloff is the latest to have his head sawed off by the Islamic State (ISIL). Joining to discuss the evolving ramifications and descending Mideast chaos are Party Panelists Carrie Sheffield (Forbes contributor) and Joe DeVito (comedian). Later in the show, the duo is slated to gab about the spate of leaked celebrity nudes, and—even more searing to the naked eye—Eric Cantor's posh new gig at Moelis.
Have you heard about Russia's slow-motion invasion of Ukraine? Michael Weiss, of the Russian-media-reading The Interpreter, will join live from Kiev via some sort of crude telecommunications. President Barack Obama and every mediagenic mayor from L.A. to Chicago spent Labor Day making calorie-free promises about what a boosted minimum wage would do to the economy; the co-hosts will react.
Remember how anti-tax activist and known moral monster Grover Norquist announced intentions to ruin Burning Man through his attendance this year? Here's an audio-visual reminder:
Norquist will be on the show to report back what he learned among the tech-hippies. The NSA's data-hoovering apparatus was in court today; Kmele Foster will explain the import. And the online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10.
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Norquist brought the rain and mud. Let's see if he has the guts to admit it.
To BM?
http://www.sfgate.com/burningm.....788753.php
The most significant photo there was of the Hipster filling up the trunk of his car with pabst blue ribbon in the parking lot of Wal Mart.
Like, communities of self expression, man.
Being a non-conformist like everybody else is TOUGH!
To be fair to the bro = I too would be filling a trunk full of beer @ Wal mart if i were going to burning man. Just not PBR - it needs to be near-kelvin-cold to be quasi-drinkable.
PBR has iconic status for hipsters, particularly in the burner community. IIRC , PBR donates beer to the crew every year.
what is "kelvin-cold" and how does one get near it?
Whut?
You musta missed the first shot. The bikini blonde with knee pads. I didn't really see anything after that.
Geesh Gilmore.
OT: Boy who was victim of statutory rape must now pay child support to his rapist.
I really was hoping that was The Onion, but I guess I knew better.
It's his fault because patriarchy. The patriarchy forced the horny biotch to rape the kid, it wasn't her fault.
"If you are afraid to speak against tyranny, then you are already a slave. To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore."
http://www.mgtow.com/
To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore.
That phrase right there is a pretty heavy indictment of the modern day Democratic party.
What is the statute of limitations on rape? Maybe he can least support the kid directly as a father, so her mom won't see a dime of that money while she rots in prison.
7 Years. It passed.
Let me just say, I am nearly 100% positive that Norquist smokes weed. Maybe not all of the time, but before that interview, yeah, I'm quite positive. Unless he's just a dude who looks stoned all of the time even when he's not.
Would have been even better if it was David Koch saying all of that shit. The proggies would fucking commit suicide.
"Dude, like the union troubles at the Met just like bum me out. If they want a raise they can just come out to the oil fields in the Bakken. I'll vouch for you, like, seriously. *pooff*"
Cavuto, on the same channel, is interviewing Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King. Not PC.
Listening to Cavuto is punishment for first degree murder in some countries.
King makes up for that.
OT:
Pacific Gas and Electric seemingly didn't maintain a gas pipeline which burst, caught fire and killed 8 people. The company has just been fined $1.4Bn.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....728611.php
Amazingly, the comments uniformly admit the customers are going to pay. This is the SF Chron; I assume the folks griping here are the same as the ones yelling for higher corporate taxes.
ISIL, YOUSIL, WE-ALL-SIL
Why is it i hear people on FOX and CNN calling the @#($*!@('s ISIS, the white house press secretary is now going so far as to refer to them by *spelling out the letters* "Eye Ess Eye El", or saying, "Islamic State"... and yet Reason still feels compelled to stick with The Jihadist Medicated Skin Cream-of-a-name, because, like "AP rules" or something.
(Matt said as much on... friday? Or last week sometime)
I also think, just for the sake of accuracy - ISIL used to be their brand-name when limited to *Syria*....
...but since setting up shop in Northern Iraq? They expanded to 'Islamic State of Iraq & Syria'.
Not only is "ISIS" more *evil and badass*, but its technically more accurate as to who we say we're targeting..
That said: I find women who 'used to rate bonds' strangely appealing. And she likes *charts*. Meow.
I also look forward to norquist's tales of drinking peyote tea at dawn and riding the snake over burning psychic sands. And if he wore socks the whole time.
I guess if you're cool with the term "Levant," you're cool with "ISIL."
Otherwise, get with the program.
Last I checked, Iraq was not in 'The Levant'.
Also, i can't think 'Levant' without thinking Levert
its all wrong, i'm telling you. Its got to be either "ISIS", or IZOD (*IZlamic Legion Of Doom)
if the latter is confusing to you, don't worry, its a 'rap thing'. ISIS is something like "20% rappers" according to recent estimates*.
(really, really recent. like 2 seconds ago)
*disregard the former LeVert link, because THIS is 200,000X better
Well, ISIS is WAY more evil and badass and sinister and all that shit. Been said before, ISIL is a feminine itch cream.
When our government invents scary terrorists they need to get their scary naming conventions down, but it appears as usual, that they're pretty fucking dumb.
They need a traditional Caliphate name, like the Umayyads or the Abbasids. Abu Bakr's last name is Samassi or something, so the Samassids?
The Umayyads and Abbasids got their name from the first name of the founder. Basically "the sons of Umayya" and "the sons of Abbas" The guy's first name id Ibrahim, so al-Kalifah al-Ibrahimiyyah, aka the "Ibrahimids"? Maybe?
Also not that it not necessarily be named after the direct founder. The Umayyads were started by the Umayyad clan, but the guy's name wasn't Umayya.
*note
Yeah I was avoiding Ibrahimids due to it sounding terrible. Samarraids has a nice ring even though it's just his home town and not in the traditional naming style(it's all about branding nowadays).
Even though they weren't Caliphates, he could go with an Almoravid or Almohad-ish kind of naming scheme. Almohad basically means "the monotheists"...so he can call himself whatever Arabic is for "the bloodthirsty assholes" or what have you.
He could just say fuck it and claim himself to be the Mahdi, but that's probably way more baggage then it's worth.
Yeah...that never turns out well.
Haven't bothered to read the full article, but here's the headline:
"The Nude Celebrity Photo Theft Should Scare You More Than the NSA Does"
http://www.newrepublic.com/art.....ign=buffer
Yeah, I'm way more terrified of having pictures of my dick show up on the intertoobs than I am of some dystopian government locking me up in a re-education camp for thought crimes.
One of those two is VERY easy to prevent, besides.
Dick pics? Go on...
So it's not theft when the government does it...
Tonight on The Independents.
25% less sodium and interruptions!
25% green lizards skinned!
Less green lizards skinned...
Former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein explains her bizarro version of history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIxkXUU_9Kk
Ugh...Fuck all that noise.
you need to learn to do the "#t=00m00s" thing to videos to get to the best bits.
I'm not sure what you were specifically citing, but my brain glazed-over somewhere 2-mins in.
If your brain glazed over, you saw enough.
Mine did, too. And, thank you for the info on the time code thing. That rocks.
"To give back the wealth that has been stolen from the working class and the poor"
Hmm, so who was it, could it have been that stole that wealth?
Wait a minute... is that Kokesh? I thought he was supposed to be good now?
I hope carrie wears the black see-through 'Prince Video' outfit.
Everybody's an expert
Keep hope alive
If anyone would post a live video feed of TI, I might just know what you all are talking about.
Dont worry, she's not wearing the slinky thing.
i don't know the link other people use... mine works for comcast subscribers.
http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/l.....oxbusiness
try this
http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/.....ness-live/
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
"Napa quake: Jerry Brown asks Obama for federal aid"
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....729282.php
Hey, Obo spends about half his time out here with his hat in hand! He can return the favors.
INDEPENDENTS, do whatever the fuck you want!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pgbjPzF2k
Prediction: Hoops.
Prog claims laws are not threats, because she doesn't call them threats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FNsi0vlrE
Featuring all the great prog hits:
VE MUSS HAFF ZE ORDAH!
ROADZ!
We are the government!
I don't think the timing of the mother's plea was the problem.
It was the lack of tribute in gold and slaves that was the problem.
Fuck. Another comedian.
Don't challenge a Romney fan about his following, Kennedy. You're going to derail any conversation you wanted to take place.
Well I could make a hat, or a brooch, or a pterodactyl.
I'd love to negotiate a sofa with *that* lady!
I can tell this is going to be one of the worst segments ever on television.
carries' "foreign policy background"?
I thought she rated bonds @ moodys? Sovereign Debt? (checks)... no, healthcare.
Auto workers sheepishly admit auto bail-out was theft from tax payers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfik8-pe4Ek
Thank you for using ISIS and not ISIL.
IS IS baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LAQ2NwdF8A
The Romney fan is continuing to campaign for Romney 2012.
I think Kmele actually just talked right over carrie before she even finished her point about 'stability'
And now Kennedy takes away her guest's only talking point.
Independents thread! This is so weird.
I'm glad to see Kennedy hasn't stopped talking over people in the months that I've missed.
You better take this opportunity to make some mean, snarky comments about the show if you want to make Two Minutes of Hate, missy!
Uhhhh....uhhhhhh. Crap.
Psst, use this: "What's the deal with Kennedy's arms? They looks so pale and flabby in that black short sleeve top I don't know whether to watch them gesticulate or hang them in a Kosher deli!"
=( That's too mean, even for me.
Okay, okay. How about: "Hey! Here's a solution to the Ukraine situation: we send Kennedy to negotiate with Putin. She'll keep him occupied with dated pop culture references and interruptions until he bugs out in a bid to keep his sanity intact!"
I'm still lobbying for a One Minute Love.
One Minute Love = every time I have sex
This thread is about the show, not your sex life.
Can't it be both?
Me-ow!
Honestly, this segment seems like the guests propose actually more-common views... then the 3 indy's just pile-on en-masse de-legitimizing everything the guests say without actually addressing the specific point. Matt (to be fair) tried, but didn't actually let Joe respond to his rhetorical question.
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (or simply do nothing)
I think Foster just argued that we go it alone against ISIS.
Drone journalism. That's my idea.
The Independents - Firing Line for the ADHD generation!
You couldn't even Facetime him?
It's more "street" this way.
God bless those Russkies too young to remember what a shithole the CCCP was.
90 years in a socialist dark age really degenerated the people.
And a thousand years before that in a pre-Medieval dark age. Russia never even got around to feudalism.
New Russia hopefully goes over better than New Coke.
I wonder if Michael Weiss will be captured and beheaded?
That's why he's in Ukraine and not Syria.
Also, the jihadists would just shave him. They'd consider that more humiliating.
Everybody out there who thinks our foreign policy should change in any way--just because some journalist got his head cut off in spectacular fashion--should check to make sure their own heads are screwed on right.
Is the new Capital 1 spokeswoman someone I should recognize or know?
The Independents Attire Review, 2 September 2014
"And After Lunch, I Will Destroy Tokyo"-Edition
Monochrome...tuesday?...
- Kennedy: I was bitching about the Black Menu last week, having seen the reiteration of 'black tee' too often. This is an interesting slight-variation, with the raggety sleeves and wider/deeper neckline. We find it superior to Black Tee, but still not as banging as Kennedy's neon-collection.
- Matt: "The Pleasantville"/Agent Smith/Kraftwerk-Matt. We've seen this dozens of times before, and the fact that its been shelved for a while and then re-booted has actually improved the impression it makes. I like this sort of thing as an odd one-off, and this black/grey version of it is far better than other variations he's attempted.
- Kmele: Provides us with one of our favorite outfits, 'The Audacity of Taupe'. We love the range of shades from Khaki-to-Olive-to-Brown, and Kmele has a master's eye for laying these effectively. We do prefer the more-contrasty 'Khaki w/dark brown tie', but this variation is just as appealing and worn far less often. Foster takes the predictable win tonight, bringing the only real new flavor to the mix.
Although had Carrie worn that 'prince-video' body/stocking jammy... She would have received +5 'Damn, Girl's'.
Arigato
America deserves a raise, unless they're women who work in the White House.
Ugh. What a pig.
If I can't make a living wage whatever the fuck that is then I don't want a job at all.
He's building a voter base.
I fear the Topical Storm.
Times like these I miss the Ottomans. Sure, they'd fuck around with Europe every half century or so, but at least they ran a tight ship (and employed Christians as slave soldiers rather than executing them).
plus, they made such great couches
Don't you mean footstools?
Uh, mom told me to keep my feet off the couch. MANNERS, dude.
Soooo many bureaucrats though.
Yeah, that's how you keep the fanatics occupied, mountains and mountains of paperwork!
"So in order to file your claim for Jihad I'm going to need this Religious Fervour 62A file signed by at least six local Imams as well as your Zakat information from the last two years..."
Has anyone asked obozo how raising wages will make any difference when energy and food prices are rising?
Either he doesn't understand what money is or the people who support that idea don't.
Yes, it is probably both.
by raising the minimum wage he creates the impression that Sugar Daddy Government is 'giving them money'.
The fact that they never see an actual raise, or that their payroll taxes have risen due to the ACA etc., matters not. because he said someone will get it.
I stopped at the grocery on the way home tonight. I paid six motherfuckingstinking dollars for a gallon of milk. Yes, we have price controls on milk here, but the price has more than doubled in the last couple of years. Bread, same. Beef, even more so. Gasoline, up but not by as much.
Fuck that lying slimy POS. And fuck the nutless republicans. And fuck anyone who voted for him. Triple fuck them if they voted for him the second time.
6 bucks? How is that even possible? It's 2.99 a gallon here. Why would it be twice as much down there?
(he considers the beer and cigarettes part of the 'milk run')
He must have been buying organic milk. Or he was buying it at a convenience store.
Artisanal milk?
GILMORE|9.2.14 @ 9:32PM|#
"by raising the minimum wage he creates the impression that Sugar Daddy Government is 'giving them money'."
Not only that, but he's taking it from the rich! (assuming the rich buy whatever the company sells...)
Oooo, the Topical Storm! Whatever did I do without my daily dose of pop culture vomit?
A heated seat in my walk-in tub. Woot!
My walk-in tub has suicide doors.
Hillary is the second most powerful man in the country.
Is it time to revive an old joke?
What does Hillary and tennis have in common?
What?
Does the word "balls" figure in your answer?
Yes, and the words "big" and "hairy".
Or "fuzzy" if you prefer.
Take back the country from the clean and articulate.
Libidinous groom.
Pregnant, underage waitress.
Nothing really good in this story.
AWESOME! Gotta luv PA!
They don't make like that anymore that's for sure.
Yinzers gone wild.
WHO RUINS EVERYONE'S LABOR DAY WEEKEND WITH A WEDDING?
Rat King. Suddenly Welch is Dennis Duffy from 30 Rock.
Chow-dah! Say it!
THAT'S THE MARKET IN ACTION, WELCH. Stop complaining.
What? Five topics?
Bureaucracy ain't free.
He's a progressive jerk no doubt.
You NEED that $45 fee to pay for the department who verifies that the fees have been paid, didja think of that smart guy?
You'd think someone who lived in Europe for God knows who long would know how to do a better German impression. Welch's sounded like elderly drag queen Lucky the Leprechaun.
elderly drag queen Lucky the Leprechaun.
(husky) "ooh, you want to steal my charms don't you sport"
Well, we're waiting to learn how to make all that money in only four hours a week, Kmele. Spill.
The image of Grover, necked, just made me throw up a little. In my pants. Out of my ass.
I am being robbed. My stream has crashed. I wanted to see film of Norquist dancing to dubsteb while covered in mud
LIAR!
Jefe, tell me, how many is a 'bevy'?
Suddenly I've stopped listening to Devito for some reason there.
Kennedy, shut the fuck up and let her talk.
I like how the comedian needs to point out, "uh, maybe you people should grow up and get over it"
"The bottom of this." Foster the assman strikes again.
He must spell his name K-R-A-M-E-R
Yeah. And how many peoples futures were made by getting necked?
I wish I could hear the Independents, but the other stuff I'm simultaneously playing is too loud, and I don't want to turn it down.
Anyone else think Joey De Vito kind of looks like Gavin McInnis?
Hhhmmmmmm?
Yes, if you made him shorter, darker haired, gave him glasses, a beard, added 30 pounds, and gave him a nasally voice.
I totally see it.
Suddenly Welch wants the House to start passing things. No longer for gridlock???
Must be nice to make a ton of money from being a scumbag.
No invite to the sexy aftershow? Ouch.
"Grover Norquist is burning..."
Yes, well, just he should have made himself a natural condom at Burning Man.
I think it would have been awesome if Norquist showed up in a Dashiki and just was like, "Man, money? Money isn't real. Time isn't real. You know what's real?" and then starts pulling sand out of his pockets.
Because the show could use a severe LSD-overdose-case to spice it up.
and no, Ron Paul doesn't count
Fun Fact: The Furby was reverse-engineered from a CAT scan of Kennedy's brain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSs6uUhbQHA
Well that voice wasn't what I expected to come out of that face.
He kind of looks and sounds like Raul Esparza.
NO. You leave Raul Esparza & his delightful self out of this.
Do I need to send you a pie with Alfredo Aldarisio's homeopathic medicine in them?
...MAYBE.
But actually don't. I think full up on pies at the moment. It's distressing having so much pie in my fridge.
Give the rest to a homeless person on the street? Or the nice people in your leasing office?
Or like Gavin McInnes. Around the eyes.
...and then I showed up and ruined everything.
The Independents - Firing Line for the ADHD crowd!
NO YOU SHUT UP
Maybe if a squirrel ran across the set, Kennedy would shut up for a minute.
Derpetologist|9.2.14 @ 9:57PM|#
"Maybe if a squirrel ran across the set, Kennedy would shut up for a minute."
Tactical nuke, at least.
It's a tax.
They should have a segment where Kmele adopts a disguise to interview people. I'd call "The Kmeleon".
*grooaaaannnn*
You? You're now executive producer. Kmele is now in control of the show. Welsh, you can hang around and provide commentary. Kennedy? YOU'RE FIRRRRRRRRED.
Is this Keepin' It Kmele or is this Where It's Matt?
AH! Lou Dobbs.
Yatzeee! And Dobbs!
Oh noes, not Derbz!
I can't wait until the actual aftershow starts.
What, you don't enjoy staring at black screens?
No, they're talking, but this can't be the actual aftershow.
Really? We're having a symposium on order Rodentia?
I've always been charmed by the name Ratus Ratus.
Was carrie telling a story before she was interrupted?
So we're derailing points in the aftershow just as effectively.
Marketing-Master Kmele = 'Lewinsky handbags? Not the best idea'
Knee-pads! Killer!
Mormons make terrible liars
Okay now they're checking their cell phone address books.
"Wait, they're still filming?"
"No, honey, don't be paranoid, they've stopped filming!"
Worst. Sexy. Aftershow. Ever.
Kmele didn't walk out. That's a high bar
True. But had they started calling it sexy by then? I can't remember.
Barack Obama impressions.
Sunday?
I call shenanigans!
Cut off.
I say its high time we just NUKE the entire region and be done with it. Kill em ALL.
http://www.Crypt-Anon.tk
You never go Full Skynet, Anon-bot.
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Isn't it amazing that we now live in a world in which the headlines talk about the latest beheadings by jihadis? Here we are in the future, and instead of personal helicopters we have Muslim terrorists. Gee, thanks, Mohammad.
Does not make a lot of sense to me dude.
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