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Politics

Tonight on The Independents: Red Meat Wednesday, With Judge Napolitano, TV's Andy Levy, Meth Babies, Crap Presidents, Gun Hysteria, V.A. Privatization, and More!

Matt Welch | 7.16.2014 8:55 PM

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Did you think last night's episode of The Independents was some pretty damn acceptable television? Then I reckon you'll like tonight's installment (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later), which starts off with Party Panelists Andy Levy (co-host, Red Eye) and Mike Baker (ex-CIA dude) riffing on Dick Cheney's contention that Barack Obama is the "worst president" of his not-inconsiderable lifespan. The duo will also talk about the asinine contention by Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nevada) that "the border is secure," which ranks right there in stupidity with the notion that that border can be "secure"…plus the most idiotic Rolling Stone listicle in the magazine's history, and the almost-as-pointless Republican outrage over the White House bowling alley.

Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst and Reason.com columnist Andrew Napolitano will come on to square the circle in the complex immigration debate between natural rights, rule of law, and open borders. The co-hosts will have a spirited discussion about what should be done about mothers who test positive for meth, KABC radio host (and multiple-theater combat veteran) Bryan Suits will make the case for voucherizing the Veterans Administration's health care system, and then the show will close with some discussion about the presidential possibilities for Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Welch comes through.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Really Matt? 9:5fucking9?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Don't be so dramatic. It was 8:58 EDT.

  2. Sudden   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You have nothing to lose but your brains!

  3. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0

    It's a-no fun being an illegal alien.

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      It's no fun, being an illegal Elian.

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        The Deportation Game

        It's an ancient flash game.

      2. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Elian Gonzales! FLASHBACK TO WHEN MEDIA FREAKOUTS WERE MORE RARE@!!

  4. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Hoops.

  5. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      Harry Reid dissemble!

  6. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Who wears a sweater in July. Unless, this was recorded back in February.

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Which is why Kennedy is sleeveless?

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      The bow-tie has been in 'experiment' phase. He found something that failed, another that works, and is branching out to find other combos.

      I pass no judgement.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        The border is secure, paying your taxes is voluntary and GILMORE isn't judging wardrobe choices.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          Im protesting.
          (sits more firmly in his chair)

          Protest.

      2. BigT   11 years ago

        Gag me with a spoon! Kmele Klown outfit.

  7. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Tonight there will be no attire review, in formal protest of belated Independents thread

    that is all

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      [muffled gasps and murmurs; monocles fall from eyes]

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      [celebrates]

  8. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The border is secure and paying your taxes is voluntary.

  9. gaijin   11 years ago

    Frisky Kennedy Lingua!

  10. gaijin   11 years ago

    No man wearing a tie should wear it loosened. NO matter how strong his jaw may be.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      No loose tie with a coat. And only in a bar after hours.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This guy's tie knock isn't secure.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Remember when the fashion was a turned-up collar?
      Yeah, me too.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        It was never that.

  12. GILMORE   11 years ago

    This wanna-be Jack Bauer? Is a screaming douchebag and very very insecure about his manhood.

  13. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Andy Levy has no such worries about the security of his manhood.

  14. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Shouldn't it be hate night?

  15. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    MOATS FILLED WITH ALLIGATOR/SHARK HYBRIDS.

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Sharktigators?

      Sharktopus?

      No.

      Sharkticons!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juc69G6F-q0

  16. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    So America.

    Canada looks better and better, huh?

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      I'm waiting to see if the current solar minimum is going to be serious before I make any decisions on this.

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      I'm waiting for Global Warming to accelerate before investing in Hudson Bay beach property.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        I'm looking at the Bay of Fundy.

    3. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      Our climate is colder but our elections are fewer. Our gun rights are trampled upon but our cops aren't as out of control.

  17. gaijin   11 years ago

    MOAR LAWZ!

  18. gaijin   11 years ago

    CHeney criticizing Obama...pot-kettle

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      I see what you did there.

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      RACIST!

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Nixon was tame compared to what we're seeing now.

  20. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Holy shit. I agree with Cheney.

    Oh, and fuck you Matt. Nixon isn't even close to this idiot.

  21. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Fillmore was bad, but I bet Napolitano will tell us who was even worse!

  22. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Douchebag needs to try to be funny too.

  23. BigT   11 years ago

    Obama has done more illegal things than Nixon. Just the IRS scandal is worse than anything Tricky Dick did.

  24. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Douchebag feels uncomfortable and wants to be asked his opinion of .40 cal vs. 9mm+p

  25. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Shouldn't Cheney be hunting lawyers?

  26. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Biden will make the rounds, but no one will be inviting him.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Immillennialgration!

    1. gaijin   11 years ago

      they support e-legal immigrants?

  28. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Douchebag smiles real hard at philosopher joke, because he has no idea who they're talking about.

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Is this what happens when you stifle your fashion critique for the night?

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Somehow, I ended up at Gyu-Kaku tonight...

        1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          I'm having leftover root vegetable gratin, which turned out really well, but Gyu-Kaku sounds better.

        2. NotAnotherSkippy   11 years ago

          Beef... cube?

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            It't the place where we had our last Reason meet-up.
            http://www.gyu-kaku.com/menu/ca_tr/tr_alacarte.jpg

    2. gaijin   11 years ago

      you seem to have a real problem with said d-bag...where did he touch you?

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Maybe he didn't touch him. Douchebag failed to smile at him in a bar and buy him a drink. GILMORE wasn't really interested but is annoyed at not having received Douchebag's affections.

        1. gaijin   11 years ago

          aha! a man scorned.

          1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            It's my solution for everything.

            Epi should be around any minute to hand out leaflets on projection to explain why.

            1. GILMORE   11 years ago

              *??

              Did you bite my comment below, or was that simultaneous inspiration??

              1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                Wait, which comment. I'm going to go with simultaneous inspiration.

                I'm not ginger biter!

                1. GILMORE   11 years ago

                  I joked that Kmele would be handing out lecture notes.

                  He looks like someone's Teacher's Assistant. Or raising money for UNCF/KOCH-BROTHERS DIVISION.

                  1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                    No, saw that afterwards. Definitely Simultaneous inspiration.

  29. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    You know who was a worse leader than Hitler?

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Nicole?

    2. gaijin   11 years ago

      Mussollini?

    3. Sudden   11 years ago

      salondotcom?

    4. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Mr. Carlson?

    5. Brett L   11 years ago

      Its hard to say. I mean, Napoleon also tried to fight the Rus in winter.

  30. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    For fuck sake, Judge. Just let that hair go grey.

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      He's buckin' for the Grecian formula endorsement!

  31. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This just in: The Judge calls brown child "a tool".

  32. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Judge's hair is considered a suitable substitute for hog-bristles in oil painter's brushes.

  33. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Did the judge dye his hair?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      I have a alternate thought-experiment for you.

      Do Matt's thighs sunburn easily?

  34. gaijin   11 years ago

    I cannot ignore the vanity of the dye job

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbjpGw1s9c

      Does he get two minutes for looking so good?

      1. gaijin   11 years ago

        oh my!

  35. BigT   11 years ago

    Judge is wrong. You don't have the right to go on others property.

    1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      It's not even relevant to immigration.

  36. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    La-dee-daw. The Judge is a Northern Italian. Alt'Italia!

  37. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Means test their birth certificates!

  38. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I like the judge.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      Normally I agree. He was weak tonight.

  39. gaijin   11 years ago

    Cloward-Piven Immigration judge?

  40. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Kmele will be handing out the lecture notes today for my class on Real Estate law.

  41. GILMORE   11 years ago

    A rare shot of Kennedy's undercarriage!

    of which i have No Opinion.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Timestamp of your comment noted. I was out to dinner, and will have to watch the re-run.

  42. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

    The world's most beloved loser: Globetrotters legend Red Klotz (of Margate) passes at 93

    Thanks Red, from one fan who always secretly wanted the Generals to win.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Was he the white one?

  43. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Yeah, the child should be with its meth head mom, because it's her property.

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Pokin' people with sticks...

  44. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Damn, Welch is fired up!

  45. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Ha! My mother stopped doing some kind of amphetamine analogue when she found out she was pregnant for me and I turned out pretty well.

    *Narrows eyes, dares someone to say otherwise*

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Is this the part where I say that whatever she *kept* taking was *fabulous*?

      That would be really offensive.

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        She may have continued to smoke. I'm not sure.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      But.

      You're gay.

      /ducks.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        It's the first time I've teased a gay person.

        Feels weird.

        1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          Do you not have gay friends that you tease? Why is your friend group so heteronormative!?

      2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        *narrows eyes further, purses lips*

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          I had a couple in university.

          Known a few here and there.

          We have a strong suspicion my wife's cousin - who's in his 50s and our pediatrician - is gay. It's like 'dude, out with it already.'

          Can't imagine living like that. I told my wife it's a shame he's not comfortable with outing himself.

          1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            I wonder if all those anti-gay bashing jokes and marriage is for cunts'n cocks at family gatherings had anything to do with it.

            Meh. Probably not.

          2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            Those types of stories always bum me out, but if he's gotten by for 50-something years in the closet there's no reason for him to change things up now.

            1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

              Everyone has their own back story I guess.

          3. Stormy Dragon   11 years ago

            What happens to a dream deferred?

            Does it dry up
            like a raisin in the sun?
            Or fester like a sore--
            And then run?
            Does it stink like rotten meat?
            Or crust and sugar over--
            like a syrupy sweet?

            Maybe it just sags
            like a heavy load.

            Or does it explode?

            1. Jesus H. Christ   11 years ago

              One of my favorite poets from that era. Thanks!

  46. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Someone screen grab Welch's Nazi salute there.

  47. Suthenboy   11 years ago

    Sometimes I wish I could watch the show instead of the awful crap my wife likes, and sometimes I am glad I can't.

  48. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Welch is linking the law against taking meth during pregnancy with the laws for excessive sentences for non-pregnant people taking crack.

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      Crazy talk, right? http://www.ussc.gov/report-coc.....g-policy-5

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        My understanding of the Tennessee law is that it needs actual evidence of harm to the unborn child in the particular case.

        If not, then I would support legislative tweaks to embody this principle.

        In contrast, the crack laws don't require evidence of harm, and they apply to non-pregnant people.

        IOW, I see your point about the crack-baby panic, but if the law actually includes specific harm to a specific child as an element of the crime, I don't see how the analogy is all that strong.

  49. gaijin   11 years ago

    It's abathsault

  50. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Welch, on a tear!

    Kennedy is thinking with her vagina.

    1. gaijin   11 years ago

      My first thought as well...maternal argument

  51. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Kennedy should remind them that they don't have uteruses so they can't judge.

  52. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Matt Welch: We should test meth on kids.

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Matt is fired up tonight, has he been testing meth on Matt Welch?

      1. gaijin   11 years ago

        Adderall Bobarian, Adderall.

        1. Bobarian   11 years ago

          Chopped up and snorted, I suppose.

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            Doesn't work. Adderall is mixed amphetamine salts. It still needs a first pass on your liver.

            And they dye it bright colors do further discourage it. Your snot will be blue for days.

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      EXACTLY! Thats what *all* Libertarians say! THEY'RE CRAZYTOWN!

  53. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Matt makes a great point!

    The state will punish you if a baby is born 'affected' by your behavior....

    ...but if you choose to abort the baby? More power to you!

    Adverse incentives.

    1. gaijin   11 years ago

      Margaret Sanger approves

  54. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Aaaaaaaaaaand Kennedy gets the last word.

  55. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Kennedy gets confused and upset when she is unable to make a snap judgement.

  56. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Really, guys? If Kennedy wants laws to protect unborn babies, she's being an irrational, emotional female?

    1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      The female part isn't germane but the rest is true.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        I'm thinking of the references to vaginas, maternal arguments, and uteruses.

        You need to be a fair, rational *man* to discuss this subject!

        1. gaijin   11 years ago

          My thought about maternal arguments is not meant as a comment on emotional or irrational argumentation...or genitals. To the contrary, I don't think there is anything irrational about an argument that comes from an innate bias toward life and protecting it. "For teh Childrenz!" is a maternal argument. DO all women have this bias...of course not. Do most? I would say yes. DO i think it is an irrelevant argument? No. IN this case, I disagree with it.

          1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

            OK!

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Prove harm.

    3. gaijin   11 years ago

      no to irrational and emotional...

  57. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Yes, yes, a thousand times yes... he did it.

  58. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

    If you are doing drugs while with child, and that child survives to term, you've endangered that child and are a criminal. I don't know if taking away the kid is the right thing to do, but there is a moral space.

    1. gaijin   11 years ago

      If you are doing drugs while with child,

      So coffee drinking mamas are criminal? Glass of wine? Blood pressure meds?

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        Pedantry is the worst drug. METH and stuff like it. And you shouldn't be drinking any alcohol either.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          METH and stuff like it

          How much meth and stuff like that?

        2. gaijin   11 years ago

          Wasn't trying to be pendatic...but I know lots of women who moderately drank wine and coffee while pregnant...their kids are all well adjusted and successful. I'd hate to think they should have been in jail...and I don;t know enough about Meth to know that it should justify this kid growing up with his mom in jail. That's all I was asking.

        3. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          Meh you can drink alcohol. I think it's 3 glasses of wine or beer a week or something with zero ill effects. You're probably also not going to give your baby listeria even if you eat soft cheeses.

          My younger brother was born addicted to methadone (that was fun!) and had my parents not spoiled him rotten for this fact would be a competent human being.

          I don't think it's a GOOD thing, but it's probably less of a crisis than pregnant women think it'll be.

        4. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

          And you shouldn't be drinking any alcohol either.

          So, IOW, you are JUST like Kennedy, and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

          1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

            Okay fine 3 glasses a week.

        5. GILMORE   11 years ago

          Actually!! -

          I knew 2 women who were crazy dieting and stuff during their pregnancy... avoiding like everything that might have "preservatives", or diet soda... or were scrutinizing their ()#*$@ salad dressing...

          ...but refused to consider taking a break from their @*#$@ "Stress medications" their therapists had them on. Prozac, wellbutrin, etc.

          Fucking idiots. seriously, i ranted to their faces how idiotic they were and their husbands still have to make excuses when i end up at the same party.

        6. robc   11 years ago

          European doctors are okay with small amounts of alcohol.

          In the days before multivitamins, UK doctors would recommend a Guinness per day for the zinc.

  59. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Peter Parker's alternate timeline.

  60. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Magnifying glass. Sun. Sidewalks. Ants. Do the math.

  61. Bobarian   11 years ago

    What do you use for ferrets, Kmele?

    1. Kmele   11 years ago

      Just run -- run away

  62. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Check his long form.

  63. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Also, WD40 makes the best makeshift flame-thrower.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      I put that shit on everything.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        IT'S SOLVENT NOT LUBRICANT!

      2. gaijin   11 years ago

        I read a story once about a guy who was hospitalized for adding it to his coffee for a few weeks...he thought it would help with his arthritis.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          Honey, the TV isn't working again!

          Psh.

          Honey, the flowers are dying!

          Psh.

          Honey, this salad lacks punch!

          Psh.

          Honey, my ass is dry.

          Psh.

        2. Brett L   11 years ago

          Idiot. Everyone knows you have to inject it directly on the spot that binds.

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Agreed. Oh, boy, agreed.

      I did my first night in jail over that one. Age 12! I wore that like a badge of honor for years. Until my second night in jail.

      1. Brett L   11 years ago

        "Kid, what are you in for?"

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          arson

          I want my lawyer!(*dad)

  64. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The boys on the show are sympathizing with the micropenis guy.

    1. gaijin   11 years ago

      as long as they don't identify with him, i guess it's natural...for those with a soul.

  65. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Sieg Hieltrailor.com

  66. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Most dangerous gun? The one that explodes in your hand.

  67. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Quick! Ask him whether he prefers .40 or 9mm! He sees his opening!

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Prison is full of guys with 9mm scars. None of them have .45 scars.

  68. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    SalonDotComLives @AceofSpadesHQ ? Jul 15

    Next @RollingStone: America's Deadliest Knives 4. The pointy ones 3. The sharp ones 2. The sharp pointy ones 1. Knife-guns

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      The ones with BLADES!

  69. Aloysious   11 years ago

    Free advice: do not look at facefuckingbook and this thread at the same time. I am not drunk enough.

  70. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    A shot at BuzzFeed from out of nowhere.

  71. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The sperm count in the semen found at crime scenes.

  72. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Obama. That creep can roll.

  73. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    President can't go down to the local alley and hang out. I have no problem with this.

  74. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Ex CIA douchebag guy is really, REALLY banking on his future on television.

    The private sector is *hell*, isnt it buddy? They demand *results*

  75. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Who bowls a 37? How useless do you have to be?

    I never bowl and go well past 100 whenever I do.

    And I've never seen him play ball.

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      I suspect the creep has Rheumatoid Arthritis. I saw a closeup shot of him somewhere and his fingernails have ridges in them characteristic of RA.

    2. Jerms   11 years ago

      To bowl a 37 you have to be insanely uncoordinated.

  76. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Its an ART

  77. GILMORE   11 years ago

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOTSSSSS

  78. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    So what's going on?

    1. Los Doyers   11 years ago

      Well, looks like GILMORE has been on a roll all night.

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      This is what's going on.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        there are some things that were meant to be forgotten.

      2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        I like this one better.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          I've always thought of "4 non-blondes" as the Founding Mothers of Jezebel

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

            Probably so. But I still like the song.

  79. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I would like to commend The Independents for responding to the audience and bringing back Brian Suits as a regular feature. He's funny, succinct, and informed. Totally unlike the rest of the show!

    1. Matt Welch   11 years ago

      Been a while since I visited the threads. Didn't realize that Suits had a (deserved) following!

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        He takes one day off from his fashion review and you come running back?

        1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          I didn't mean it as a criticism of you being back in the thread, I'm just worried you might have battered wife syndrome or something.

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Hey, what happened to the Two Minutes segment? You know how popular that is down here.

        1. Kmele   11 years ago

          Two Minutes Hate probably the wednesday after next

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

            That's like a month between, no?

            Wasn't it going to be every two weeks?

            1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

              First it was two weeks, then three, and now a month. It's almost like they don't enjoy getting roasted on TV in front of tens of people.

          2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            Are y'all lacking material for it?

            1. GILMORE   11 years ago

              LOL

              oh, that's rich.

            2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

              Yeah, we could step it up if you need us to.

      3. GILMORE   11 years ago

        oh, i kid... but he is the best.

        I think of him as "Charlie", and you guys are our Angels.

        yes, matt, you are totally Farrah.

      4. Los Doyers   11 years ago

        You should get Kennedy to "visit" the threads. In fact, maybe even start a segment titled "Kennedy visits the threads," with comment tracking in real time!

        1. Ted S.   11 years ago

          I vote "foe".

    2. Kmele   11 years ago

      Thank you?

      1. Los Doyers   11 years ago

        Everyone here likes you too, Kmele. Don't worry.

  80. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    How?

  81. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    I wonder if they use the 5th or 6th edition of the AMA Guidelines at the VA.

  82. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Going on the Warren-path?

  83. Ted S.   11 years ago

    Did you think last night's episode of The Independents was some pretty damn acceptable television?

    No.

  84. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    I'm shocked that Warren is even thinkable to anyone as a candidate.

    It's not just that she utterly lacks charisma, it's that she's a total retard on economics and would trip all over herself once the media starts paying attention to the contradictory message of left-wing populism.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      *The media* would question her positions?

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        No, but they would be self-evidently absurd to the vast majority of Americans. Just ask her about immigration, welfare, and why taxes need to be much higher.

        Kmele is correct, she would get slaughtered like Goldwater.

        1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

          "ask her about immigration"

          Immigration? What's her stance on that?

          1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

            Pretty vague. Comprehensive reform with a path to citizenship is what I got out of her website.

            1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

              Yes agreed, I just looked at it myself, it seemed like the first prong was written by unions, the second by the DNC, and the third by Silicon Valley.

              1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

                http://elizabethwarren.com/issues/immigration

      2. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        There's only so much retard they can take before the criticism damn bursts. You have to *appear* not to be a moron. Articulate blacks can talk nonsense but not a white faux-squaw.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          She's got Trudeau in her pocket, for whatever that's worth.
          His Sunday panels have occasionally been pure campaign lies.

          1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

            That is worth the smallest amount something can be worth while still not worthless.

            1. robc   11 years ago

              One quantum of worth.

          2. NotAnotherSkippy   11 years ago

            Who? What's a newspaper?

            1. Sevo   11 years ago

              What keeps my coffee off the table in the morning.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Sudden is staking quite a bit on her getting the nom.

    3. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Are you kidding? Most of the journalists I have seen orgasm on the spot if you mention Fauxcahontas.

      If you think they covered for the chocolate jesus, watch and see what happens if that lying bitch gets in the whitehouse.

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Barack Obama and his organization were great at campaigning. Warren is a walking gaffe machine that only sounds good in sound bites, selected video clips, and headlines.

        Put her in front of a live national audience against a Republican that is moderately intelligent (let alone someone like Rand Paul) and she'd crash and burn like nothing we've ever seen.

        She's electable Mass, not on a national stage. Not even the media can change that.

      2. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        Fauxcahontas is funny, but Lie-a-watha is funnier.

        Honorable mentions:

        Crazy Whore
        Dances with Fools
        Sitting Tool
        Crapagawea
        Geronidope

    4. Hyperion   11 years ago

      If I were a candidate debating her on the national stage, I would come out wearing a headdress and war paint and start whooping around the stage doing a rain dance. Seriously, people like her would be laughed off the planet by an intelligent populace.

      1. Hyperion   11 years ago

        And the the debate:

        CNN debate moderator: So, Mr....

        Me: I Big Chief Bullshit, more full bullshit than White Squaw!

    5. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      The polls show her an order of magnitude behind Hillary-even with self-described liberals.

  85. Rasilio   11 years ago

    Ok guys it is official we can close up the internet, peak derp has finally been reached...

    http://witchwind.wordpress.com.....s-to-come/

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      You ACTUALLY read all that?

      I stopped a couple of paragraphs in.

      I'd rather tease Jesse with my time.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      What this guy, Guy, says, or rather what he demonstrates with the support of hundreds of long term scientific evidence from many sources including very conservative and mainstream sources, is that all life on this planet will come to extinction by 2030.

      Yessssssss. God this is more delicious than The Bible Code bullshit I had to use small words to debunk for my folks.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        You had a hard life.

        1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          I prefer to think of it as quirky and entertaining.

        2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          Entertainingly they asked me to read and assess it and tell them what I thought and then were FURIOUS that I thought it was bunk because it made a bunch of serious and verifiable claims and then ended with a giant weasel package "Will you change it." Beyond that it claimed that the Bible was full of multiple possible time-lines of prophecy which would get super confusing if you started reading prophecies related to another timeline.

          My brother-in-law had to step in to calm them down because they thought I was belittling their faith.

          Besides a long-standing flirtation with birtherism they've been much more receptive to me debunking just about everything they get caught up in. Last time all it took was "You know a few chapters past where you're at this guy gets into some heavy "Cabal of Jew bankers" stuff". Good times.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        I got 16 years to get to Cooperstown then.

      3. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        Bible Code = word search is how I explained it.

    3. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      I was afraid, but what harm can a link do, I thought?

      Ten seconds to ctrl + w.

      1. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

        I really should stop trying out random keyboard commands I find while reading comment sections on the internet. At least this one didn't terminate my X-server session...

    4. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      "... according to the science, Near Term Human Extinction within one or two generations is where the parasitical/ cancer tumorous system of patriarchy and Homo Rapiens (males) have brought not only humans but all complex life on Earth. The Sixth Extinction experienced in the 5 billion years or so of
      Earth's lifetime and presently underway is being caused by Homo Rapiens.
      Why is this so thorougly ignored on radical feminist blogs? Please don't tell me that radical feminists ? of all people- are climate change denialists?"

      Homo Rapiens. Yep.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        Homo Rapiens

        That's got to a band name someday. Or when I start up my shadowy radical Objectivist Fifth Column, that's what we'll call the anti-environmentalist wing of it.

        1. Jesus H. Christ   11 years ago

          Rape Kulture Klub
          Moby Rape
          Planet of the Rapes

    5. GILMORE   11 years ago

      I don't think that counts as 'anything' since they aren't really living on planet earth.

    6. Sevo   11 years ago

      Pretty pathetic, but I'm not sure it's peak.
      The thread with the comments on and quotes from 'post structural' philosophers beat it for rank stupidity.

    7. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Sweeties ? ? ?

      I have known this for a couple of decades now.

      All we can do as witches is to raise our energy for our re-incarnation on a female planet. Parthenogenesis. It's a huge Universe, we're out there in our own Worlds.

      Sounds like New Agers that I have known, and avoided after I knew them.

      But how I do wish that all of these retards would find a new planet and find a way to get there, one way ticket.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        What if that planet has inhabitants? That can invent interstellar travel? Do you think they think they will not pay us back for that?

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        "Sounds like New Agers that I have known, and avoided after I knew them."

        When I went to bars and ran into one, I found it effective to give them a serious look and ask:
        "Have you been SAVED?"

        1. Hyperion   11 years ago

          Classic

        2. NotAnotherSkippy   11 years ago

          I have friends with wives and ex-wives like this. One of them was mumbling some EM interference BS about our in-floor heat in the master bath. I pointed out that her husband and I both work in a building with a 5T magnet. A little electricity running in the floor under your feet isn't going to hurt you.

          Even worse she's got their 20yr old son on some boiled everything diet to improve his intellectual capacity. He bombed out of his first year in college and now is getting A's in his second. Occam's razor would say he fucked off year one and grew up his second year, but no, it's the boiled everything...

          1. Sevo   11 years ago

            "I pointed out that her husband and I both work in a building with a 5T magnet."

            Pretty sure ANY WWII submariner was exposed to fields that far exceed any current circumstance.
            If there were problems, I have a feeling some data-miner would have found them by now.

    8. GILMORE   11 years ago

      by definition, Peak Derp will have to be achieved by some ostensibly 'mainstream media outlet'

      It will be the signal that they've completely lost any grip on reality and are just click-bait fishing now like Salon and Slate.... who actually at one point *had some credibility*. Hitchens!

      That was when the internet was young...

      1. Irish   11 years ago

        The fact that Hitchens used to write for Slate and Greenwald used to write for Salon is frankly amazing. It's impossible to imagine anyone of any talent or integrity writing for those sites any more.

    9. Irish   11 years ago

      Apart from lurking silently on radical feminist blogs I read NTHE sites: (Near Term Human Extinction) sites, because, according to the science, Near Term Human Extinction within one or two generations is where the parasitical/ cancer tumorous system of patriarchy and Homo Rapiens (males) have brought not only humans but all complex life on Earth. The Sixth Extinction experienced in the 5 billion years or so of
      Earth's lifetime and presently underway is being caused by Homo Rapiens.

      Why is this so thorougly ignored on radical feminist blogs? Please don't tell me that radical feminists ? of all people- are climate change denialists?

      This is fucking wonderful. I love that she has to tell us what she meant by Homo Rapiens, as if it were such a witty joke that its meanings might go over our head.

    10. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

      I love the cat fight in the comments. One of them eventually calls OP a misogynist. She starts off with this, managing to somehow come off even crazier debunking OP:

      blackmetalvalkyrie
      May 6, 2014 at 8:25 pm
      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson
      This guy is a quack, the current evidence does not suggest his gloomy scenario. This is pseudoscience, if there was really so much proof this was going to happen the gov would tell us. Men want us around so they can abuse us.

      Ahhahahahahaha.

      1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

        lol

        It is a misogynist reversal to say men can be raped. They cannot. Rape is the brutal enforcement of women's patriarchal gender roles as fuckholes and breeders.

        Some anti-transgender bigotry in her comments too, which I'm not surprised to see in this wing of feminism.

        This totally debunks the peak derp claim, there is a commenter even derpier than OP.

      2. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

        They can apparently manipulate electricity and magnetic fields with a their witch powers.... I probably should stop reading this.

  86. GILMORE   11 years ago

    D-D-D-DOOOBBBBBSSSSS

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      DERBZ!

  87. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    "Australia votes to repeal carbon tax

    "Australia's Senate has voted to repeal the carbon tax, a levy on the 300 biggest polluters passed by the Labor Party when they were in power in 2011."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-.....EET1186035

    1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      Oh shit that awesome! I had read a couple days ago that the senate blocked the repeal so I was a sad. Now I am not.

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      I don't pay much attention to Aussie politics but I recall people on the left freaking out at the current government like it were the Tea Party on steroids.

  88. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Hey Lou Dobz, let's also leave time to discuss the yellow peril that is consuming the county that is California's famed bastion of conservatism

    My hometown is now OC's first Asian-majority city!

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      You have to know that Asians are NOT "minorities"!
      They wreck the curve.

      1. Hyperion   11 years ago

        Yeah, they're pretty much devils just like the white devils, only with slanty eyes. Privileged slanty eyed bastards, that's what they are.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          Smart assed, uppity, privileged slanty-eyed bastards, taking all the prime spots at UC, 'cause they CHEAT by studying!

          1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

            Well to be fair, the UCs do have a lot of Chinese students that are the privileged children of millionaire businessmen and bureaucrats.

            At UCI you could see a lot of them driving exotic sports and cars and being total pricks about it.

            1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

              @ 0:54 seconds if the time coding doesn't work.

            2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

              The Asian fraternity across the street from me in Berkeley caused two multi-car pileups on I-5 in the same day as they were caravanning up from SoCal at the end of Memorial Day Weekend.

              I took great pleasure in seeing a rice cooker with an obnoxious muffler get crushed by a semi.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      I would've guessed Santa Ana.

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        There are some residential streets in La Palma that literally turn into Cerritos (and thus LA county) halfway down.

        Cerritos is 60% Asian.

      2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Santa Ana is majority Latino.

        How is Irvine not more than 50% Asian?

      3. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

        Ya'll named a city after that cocksucker?

        1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

          Probably should have picked a different cuss word out of the cuss hat.

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

            I have no problem with gay people...but do I need to get rid of all my funny cuss words because of it?

            1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

              Deadwood was on my mind when I wrote it, it really rolls off the tongue. No need to drop the word and I don't think Jesse would be offended but I try to practice not using derogatory words in the company of people they are actually derogatory towards. There are plenty of cuss words to choose from after all. Just good practice.

              1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

                I can see how some would be offended. But when I've called someone a cocksucker, gay people were the last thing on my mind. It's one of those words that has transcended its original meaning.

                Other examples: Gay, bitch, bastard...

                But I'm not the sensitive type anymore. Was as a kid. Learned it was counterproductive.

    3. GILMORE   11 years ago

      California being Overrun by Asians is probably its only hope of actual *survival*

      Who else can do the maths? No one.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Russians. My math classes were full of Asians, Russians, and Slavs.

        1. NotAnotherSkippy   11 years ago

          Hell yes.

  89. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Um, Lou Dobbs?

  90. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Reminder:

    "In about 600 million years, the level of CO2 will fall below the level needed to sustain C3 carbon fixation photosynthesis used by trees. Some plants use the C4 carbon fixation method, allowing them to persist at CO2 concentrations as low as 10 parts per million. However, the long-term trend is for plant life to die off altogether. The extinction of plants will be the demise of almost all animal life, since plants are the base of the food chain on Earth."

    from wiki

    1. NotAnotherSkippy   11 years ago

      10ppm? No way. Source?

  91. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    "Quoting philosopher Immanuel Kant and drawing on the words of the Declaration of Independence, Dan Courtney made history on Tuesday speaking before the Greece Town Board.

    "Courtney, past president of the Free Thinkers of Upstate New York, delivered the first atheist invocation at a town board meeting, following the May U.S. Supreme Court decision that said Greece's practice of allowing sectarian prayer was permissible, as long as the town didn't discriminate."

    http://www.democratandchronicl...../12714037/

    Presumably his quotes from the Declaration of Independence didn't include the part about the "Creator," "Nature's God," or the "supreme judge of the world."

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Somehow, I'll bet every one of your quotes does.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        I would have linked to another article, but it had an autoplay ad. That article, if you want to risk it, says

        "Courtney said his request was granted without question and Tuesday's 6pm meeting was the first open slot.

        "Town supervisor William Reilich said Monday a variety of views have been represented during invocations, citing the instance of a pagan Wiccan for one....

        "Reilich said there has been no backlash against any speaker and he doesn't expect any on Tuesday.

        ""The only unusual thing here is that this group notified the press," he said. "They're making more of this than there usually is.""

        http://www.theguardian.com/law.....yer-ruling

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      Odd, that they, not once, mentioned God. Went out of their way to appease the holy warriors, yet still refused to say "God".

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        I'm just yanking their chain.

        If they want to use the Declaration, that's fine - it's the heritage of *every* American.

        But if they want to suggest that the Declaration is some uniquely humanist document, to be cited in implied rebuke to the theocrats, then their point fizzles.

        They could always quote Bertrand Russell or Penn Gillette instead.

    3. Acosmist   11 years ago

      Kant, the guy who thought the summum bonum required divine grace to proportion happiness to virtue? The lifelong devoted Christian?

      That Kant or is there some other he had in mind?

  92. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    OK, the last link looked like I was deliberately setting out to provoke you. I'm sorry - let me make it up to you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw4KVoEVcr0

  93. Almanian!   11 years ago

    I missed it - did The Judge talk about his new book, "Napster"?

  94. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    OK, the link equivalent of Russian Roulette - one of these is white girls twerking, the other is a country-music cover of an Internet classic -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwo8-OCDcQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTL6l8DoBLw

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Heh - surely someone has the guts to try this?

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        Which one quotes the bible?

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          Not any book of the Bible *I'm* familiar with.

    2. Sidd Finch v2.01   11 years ago

      Fuck both your links.

  95. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Here is some *real* Russian Roulette - one link will interest and entertain you, the other will make you want to rinse out your brains with bleach.

    Are you feeling lucky?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMUvVvMLVBU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy6MAvKAQ6Q

    1. Sidd Finch v2.01   11 years ago

      Fuck these too.

      http://weknowgifs.com/wp-conte.....ng-cat.gif

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        That's as good as *my* links!

  96. Sidd Finch v2.01   11 years ago

    A commenter at MR left a link to his new (very) short story. Worth a read.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      That's as good as *my* links!

  97. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Musical Roulette - place yer bets! Which is the good one, and which is the earworm?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRtME-3rcP4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE0HTp3-AQo

  98. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Link Roulette - which is the good trip and which is the bad trip?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeYlGgPmom0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8

  99. Sevo   11 years ago

    If anyone wants to play 'Dump on Dolt', over on the AGW thread the shitbag Tony is still trying to claim that models = "science" and data is, uh, not "sciency" or "truthy" .

  100. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Dr. Who-lette: What image do you want in your mind just before you go to bed?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho.....e=Computer wallpaper&summary=The Great Healer.&info;=&tag_file_id=s4_13_wal_19

    http://www.dvdactive.com/image.....0/3/u1.jpg

  101. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Hopefully, some insomniac will come along later and try their luck with my links.

    1. Sidd Finch v2.01   11 years ago

      Hey, I tried four and they were *terrible*. The country music one is literally worse than Hitler.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        Half are *supposed* to be terrible. The other half ought to be rewarding to most people.

        Come on - buck, buck, buck, ba-caw!

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        Man! Tough crowd!

  102. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

    Uber is operating in Vancouver without city permission.

    http://koin.com/2014/07/16/ube.....officials/

    Uber Ice Cream on demand will soon be a thing.

    http://thenextweb.com/insider/.....is-friday/

    1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

      I've very much enjoyed riding Uber "illegally" here in Houston. They recently slashed prices by 25% to really put the hurt on the cabbies. Don't know if that is a national thing or not. It was already cheaper than a cab before, literally no reason at all to take a cab.

      I was able to provoke my first driver into a tirade against the cabbies and City Hall, which pretty much sold me forever. Plus he had free candy.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        So it *is* good to take candy from strangers who offer you rides! I've been lied to all this time!

        1. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

          Only if you contact them on your iphone first.

  103. Knarf Yenrab!   11 years ago

    Baker is an anti-Snowden fascist. An embarrassment to the show.

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