Tonight on The Independents: Mark Hannah & Deneen Borelli on the Las Vegas Shooting & Hillary's Poverty; Eli Lake on Bergdahl, Michael Malice on the New NoKo Prisoner, Dan Caldwell on the V.A., Plus Sexy After-Show

Did the cop-killing rampage of Jerad and Amanda Miller spring from everyday right-wing rhetoric? Was it just the latest example of the "Constant cop-killing, by people who echo the NRA talking points and the conspiracy theories of the Internet wackos"? Did it show how "Fox news has finally yelled fire in a crowded theater"? Or is the political interpretation a bit more complicated than all that?

On tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later), we'll start off with some debate on that topic with Party Panelists Mark Hannah (former Kerry/Obama aide) and Deneen Borelli, author of Blacklash: How Obama and the Left Are Driving Americans to the Government Plantation. Those two are also slated to discuss Hillary Clinton's heartbreaking poverty, the GOP's $60 million initiative to reach black voters, plus AirBnB's move into the dinner-party market.

Daily Beast national security reporter Eli Lake (read him in Reason here) will come on to discuss the latest news about Bowe Bergdahl. Known crazy person Michael Malice (read him in Reason here) will talk about the latest U.S. hostage situation: Ohio lawyer Jeffrey Fowle, detained for the crime of having a Bible in his hotel. And Dan Caldwell, issue and legislative campaign manager of Concerned Veterans for America, will talk about the latest V.A. audit.

Aftershow begins on foxbusiness.com/independents a few moments after you say "AAAAGGGHHHH!!!" Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, tweet like a bastidge during the show & we'll use the best of 'em. Click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Aftershow begins on foxbusiness.com/independents a few moments after you say "AAAAGGGHHHH!!!"

Lou Dobbs is a national treasure.

[Almanian!]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[Hyperion]

Derbz

[C. Anacreon]

They took Lou Derbz

[Almanian!]

Derka Derr DERRRRRRRRRRRRRBBBZZZZZZ!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Finally, somebody with some manners. Kings are laying an egg tonight.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

To clarify, they're supposed to win in 5 so I can be there. It was all part of the plan.

[jesse.in.mb]

But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

[BigT]

Holder gotta go.

Eric Holder made history in 2009 as the first African-American U.S. attorney general. If Rep. Paul Gosar has his way, Holder can add another first to his bio: the first cabinet secretary to be impeached.

Gosar, R-Ariz., tells U.S. News he plans to either draft articles of impeachment or co-sponsor existing impeachment legislation introduced in November by Rep. Pete Olson, R-Texas, which has 26 co-sponsors. He anticipates deciding between the two options next week

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"the first cabinet secretary to be impeached"

William Belknap:

http://millercenter.org/presid.....abinet/316

[Bo Cara Esq.]

It strikes me as silly to impeach a cabinet officer. They serve at the pleasure of the POTUS, whatever they've done wrong should be the President's responsibility, and if they've done something impeachable and the President doesn't remove them then the President should be impeached.

[pmains]

Removing cabinet officers was the original purpose of the impeachment power. You don't remove a hereditary king, but you can make governing more difficult for him by removing his cabinet members and banning them from holding office in the future. The next guy knows that breaking the law on orders of the president means a political death sentence. You could never remove the president himself, doing so would be tantamount to undoing the previous election. The president's party almost always has the 1/3 plurality to block such an action.

[C. Anacreon]

If Rep. Paul Gosar has his way

I think that Gozarians always get their way.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...we'll start off with some debate on that topic with Party Panelists Mark Hannah...

I hope he brings some of those wonderful animals from the Columbus Zoo. Those are always hilarious when they shit on the hosts.

[SIV]

A Columbus Steamer for Welch, Kennedy and Kmele?

[Derpetologist]

Today in infuriating prog derp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

If you need to look at something soothing afterwards, here are some pics I took in the Wichita mountains:

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....-2014.html

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

Why do you do this to yourself?

[Derpetologist]

Derp is my passion and profession.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Ok, now why do you do it to us?

[Derpetologist]

To defeat derp, you must first understand it.

[Hyperion]

One day, The Derp Chronicles will be required reading for all the little school children of Libertopia.

[Derpetologist]

I am also working a coming-of-age novel titled To Kill a Mockingderp.

[C. Anacreon]

Have you seen the Mockingderp,
He lives on Derpy Lane.

[Duke]

I see that it's six years old when anti-Bushism was at its peak. And how much of what they whine about has changed in the six years since Liberals have controlled the country? Nothing. NOT ONE SINGLE THING. That must be what makes the crazy Tonys, Buttplugs and Marys of this world so angry.

[Hyperion]

No, what makes them so angry is the same thing that makes all proglodytes so angry. They can't get all the attention that they want no matter how much they try to demand it. They are angry because their all powerful state can't command each and everyone of us to like and even adore them.

[Hyperion]

Oh, and to agree with them. Left out that important part.

[Duke]

The anti-corporate progs apparently haven't seen the healthcare stock charts since Obama took office.

[Almanian!]

NUH UH! OBAMACARE, FTW! TOTALLY CHANGED THE WORLD, MAN!

/derp

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I know. Derp is strong constitution.

That was sophomoric on many levels. Including this from the comments:

"they seem to be forgetting that more "liberal, regulated, socialist" European countries and Japan have way more small businesses on a typical street than America with all its big box stores.?"

[Almanian!]

derp!

Oh, right.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

Somebody asked about the MBTI this morning. I like this article about it.

The data indicate that there is no evidence of bimodal distributions for the MBTI. Instead, most people score
between the two extremes. This means that although one person may score as an E, his or her test results may be very similar to those of another person's, who scores as an I.

Because
type is said to be a constant characteristic, we would expect that people's personality would not change over time. Several studies, however, show that even when the test-retest interval is short (e.g., 5 weeks), as many as 50 percent of the people will be classified into a different type.

Research
on the factor analysis of the MBTI has not produced convincing results. In one study, based on the results of l,29l college aged students, six different factors were found. In addition, the study authors found a high level of
measurement error. Specifically, 83 percent of the differences among the students could not be accounted for by the MBTI.

And so on.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

(MBTI meaning Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, BTW)

[Carl ?s his privilege]

And for those curious, while I don't know how the author of the feels about it, an alternative taken more seriously in academia is the "Big Five" or Five Factor Model, measured, for instance, with the NEO PI-R (which costs money).

Some Berkeley guy has a free test, though.

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

If you need to quickly sketch a person and remember a bunch of caveats about its limitations I find the MBTI to be useful. If you know someone deviates from their profile's expected behavior, react to them and not to the sketch. And if you are bad at something your type is supposed to be bad at, work to improve it and don't use the MBTI as an excuse.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

That's all well and good, but if there are better alternatives out there (which is indeed the case), why use it at all and not just one of them?

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

I just don't type people who don;t display strong tendencies and only work with the letters I'm confident about. It's easier to make an educated guess about which profile someone more closely matches than it is to guess their numerical scores. Also what I consider conscientious or agreeable may not match with the Big 5 criteria but whether I approve of it or not it's easier to tell a thinker apart from a feeler and an inflexible person (J) from a more flexible one (P).

[Fist of Etiquette]

My MBTI is 21.5 which, as you all know, is below the cutoff for overweight and well below obese.

[mr simple]

My MBTI my last season was in the top quintile of all batters.

[Greg F]

I took this bogus test ... evaluation ... what ever you want to call it, at my last job. I gamed it and it was unable to put me in any of the groups.

What I learned was if you work for a bunch of morons that believe in this stuff it plays into their ego. Essentially, the morons I worked for had no real skills. Basically emotionally driven twits who were arrogant and convinced they were better than the people that really made the place run. In short, enviro leftist.

It basically put all the people with real skills in worker bee categories. The dumb shits that were in charge were told they were the creative ones. Not hindered in their creativity by the constraints of actually knowing something. I can't think of anything that hinders creativity more than ignorance.

[lap83]

I'm glad we're on the subject of MBTI still, because I just want to say that Obama is ENFJ.

And you know who else was ENFJ?

[wwhorton]

All I know is I'm INTJ. You know who else is? Emperor Palpatine.

Yeah.

Now and again I wind up INTP, which puts me with Yoda. Both are an improvement over my twenties, where I usually wound up INFP, or Luke.

[David Wall]

David J. Pittenger's article is accurate.

Myers Briggs is cheap and easy to administer but is based upon Jung's unsubstantiated archetypes. It is unreliable and as a consequence cannot be validated to predict behavior.

Inventories of the Five Factor Model of personality, on the other hand, have been extensively researched, they have moderate to good reliability (above r .7), and some of its factors have been found to have been found to be inherited in crucial twin studies.

The FFM is about as good as it gets for personality inventories in psychology.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Harley Quinn sure got really famous really fast. That Paul Dini, pretty talented.

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

The Maleficent rape scene that we all need to talk about.

It's a Wicked-like backstory, and in it, we learn why Maleficent casts a spell on an evil baby. She's a fairy before the black magic begins. She soars through the forest with freedom and passion. She falls in love with Stefan, a human. He returns to kill her so that he can be king.

But he doesn't kill her. He rapes her of her ability to fly. He drugs her and leaves her so that he can bring her wings back to the king of the humans like Dorothy was told to fetch the broom of the Wicked Witch. She wakes up moaning, wailing. Stumbling. Utter devastation.

For fuck's sake! Mayhem is a crime in itself! Not everything bad that happens to a woman is rape! They ruined my second-favorite Disney villain! (Not the highest bar, to be fair.)

[Carl ?s his privilege]

He rapes her of her ability to fly.

Not knowing the story, I'm confused by this statement. Does he actually rape her?

[Irish]

No. He takes away her wings, and apparently that's rape now.

[Hyperion]

Before long, if a girl likes you and you offend her because you are only thinking about her friend with the great boobs, that will be rape also.

[Almanian!]

Well, she was not....unresponsive.

[Suthenboy]

You are not the one who is confused.

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

No, Stefan is not Stefan Smith. He just cuts off her wings. By this logic, cutting off someone's legs is also rape rather than mayhem.

[Irish]

But he doesn't kill her. He rapes her of her ability to fly.

This reminds me of the joke from the office where every time Andy says he wants something, he tells someone to beer it to him.

Beer me that disc!

It's like every time something bad happens to a woman, it's secretly rape.

'He raped my feelings!'

'He spilled beer on me and now my dress is raped!'

'I cut my finger off using a circular saw! I should have been more careful to make sure it didn't rape away my finger like that!'

[Hyperion]

It's just rape all the way down.

[Anonymous Coward]

So the moral of the story is...rape gives you super-evil-powers?

[Hyperion]

Well, you see, you get super-evil powers by being born into the privileged male patriarchy, which everyone posting here has been. Except for Tony and Shreek of course, they're victims along with everyone else, except for us, the patriarchy. Oh, and the women folk here, they're victims also, but we have brain washed them and so they don't realize it yet.

[Almanian!]

Libertarian women - if they exist in reality, and not merely in the rape-fevered mind of libertarian rapemales - are only libertarian because of self-hate and denial imposed on them through teh patriarchy.

Check your male privilege and you might see it, rapist.

[Irish]

I had an uncle who stepped on a mine in Vietnam.

He was always pissed at the Vietcong for raping his leg off.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

Top comment

I'm sorry but...every single kids movie, every fairy tale since the beginning of time has some kind of scene where someone takes something from someone. It doesn't mean rape at all. I cringed when I read "he rapes her of her ability to fly." I've been at the receiving end of an assault and really, the film doesn't offend me at all. Articles like this offend me, looking for metaphors and anti-feminist imagery at every turn, finding it where there is none. It does nothing for anyones cause, in fact I think it antagonises people and I really wish it would stop.

and a brilliant reply

I don't suppose the fact that he drugged her contributes? Take a film 101 class and stop being so self-righteous. edit: Excuse me, I don't mean to be insensitive to your incident. I just don't think you're right.

Sounds like a fun guy. Of course one of his "likes" on the bookface is "Were you dissing Canada? I couldn't hear you over my health-care benefits".

[Irish]

Girl: I was raped and don't like you making light of my trauma by comparing me to a fairy having her wings taken.

Progressive man: Why don't you take a fucking film class, you stupid bitch?

TOLERANCE!

[Hyperion]

Look man, every fairy tale in history, written by the male patriarchy of course, are just rape manuals for young patriarchy members!

Snow White? Raped by 7 patriarch dwarfs!

Cinderella? Raped by the great pumpkin of the patriarchy!

Little Red Riding Hood? Raped by the wolf of the patriarchy!

I could go on!

[Coeus]

Remember that time Icarus got raped by the sun?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Constant cop-killing,

The police have killed over 5000 Americans since 9/11. This is three times as many cops who have died, in the state with the largest number of cop deaths, in the whole of that state's history.

who echo the NRA talking points

Citation needed.

and the conspiracy theories of the Internet wackos

So...the lizard people did it?

[mr lizard]

As if it would be worth the effort... Stoooopid mortal

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Troll-vana was reached when I learned there's a book about the Jews and Abraham Lincoln. Yes, Lincoln and circumcision, two great tastes that taste great together!

"He is beautified and becomes an icon all over the world. But I challenge anyone to identify an American hero, not a Jewish hero, who has been taken into the Jewish experience as if he were really one of us. There's a difference between admiring an American hero and considering that American hero to be a Jewish role model."

http://www.jns.org/latest-arti.....5ZTuPldVW8

[Dances-with-Trolls]

But I challenge anyone to identify an American hero, not a Jewish hero, who has been taken into the Jewish experience as if he were really one of us

Cot? de Pablo?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I'm trying. Can't get a connecting flight out of Flin Flon.

[Derpetologist]

Real Man of Genius Noam Chomsky explains how the Soviets perverted socialism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ

[Fist of Etiquette]

Can't trust Ivan with anything.

[Warty]

Noam is some sort of Trotskyite socialist, right? Of course he doesn't like Team Stalin.

[Knarf the Yenrabian]

That might be the first time I was disappointed not to be rickrolled.

I wonder what it's like to live your whole life benighted by the inability to understand that humanity is not homo reciprocans, even in the face of the absolute economic and ethical failure of involuntary socialism in every circumstance in which it's been implemented. I guess that's why they call them true believers.

The economicus/reciprocans gulf is so massive and so fundamental to the debate that I'm unsure whether Noam understands that even voluntary socialism in the form of families and monastic communities is difficult to maintain and has a strong tendency to break down. When half of all voluntary families fall apart, it's laughable to think that entire communities where socialism is forced on people wouldn't end in disaster.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

"Hong Kong Elementary School Admissions Test Question #21?

I feel like a moron. Maybe Mary was right when she told me to check my IQ...

[GILMORE]

87?

Its a perspective thing, right?

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

Ha! I did the smart thing and cheated.

[GILMORE]

I just hope they don't spend too much time on any one topic. I hate it when the show ends and I can remember what actually happened.

[kibby]

I'm sure this won't be an issue tonight.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

12 Things Men Do Differently Than Women

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Nice.

[Lady Bertrum]

They left off the most important thing men do differently than women - pee standing up.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

And we write our name in the snow.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"THE TUAM TANK: ANOTHER MYTH ABOUT EVIL IRELAND

"The obsession with Ireland's dark past has officially become unhinged.

"For proof of the maxim that 'A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on', look no further than the Tuam 800 dead babies story. Courtesy of a modern media that seems more interested in titillating readers with gorno than giving us cool facts, and thanks to a Twittermob constantly on the hunt for things it might feel ostentatiously outraged by, the story about babies being dumped in an old, out-of-use septic tank by nuns at a home for 'fallen women' in Tuam in Galway made waves in every corner of the globe. Then, a few days later, having finally strapped its boots on, the truth - or at least a more sober analysis of what might have really happened in Tuam - staggered on to the stage. And it was a very different story to the fact-lite, fury-heavy tale that had already gone round the world....

"On almost every level, the news reports in respectable media outlets around the world were plain wrong. Most importantly, the constantly repeated line about the bodies of 800 babies having been found was pure mythmaking."

http://www.spiked-online.com/n.....5ZWEfldVW_

[Bam!]

Is Cavuto wearing a Brazil flag as a necktie?

[kibby]

A Columbian one might suit him better.

[Vulgar Madman]

Ha!

[Hyperion]

I hope not. It would make me want to burn my Brazil flag.

[Warty]

Ban fat girls in slutty Halloween costumes. Not only are they a national menace, but they kill cops too.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Hoopcatchers.

[Bam!]

She's so raven.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

She's lost in the background.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hey, did you guys know that < i The Independents is up against The Rachel Maddow Show?

[widget]

"I'm voting Republican ... because we just love cheap plastic crap from China."

Like your iPhone.

"I'm voting Republican ... because I think new drugs should be available immediately, whether they've been tested properly or not,..."

Sounds OK to me.

"I'm voting Republican so my little Katelyn can be a class with 30 other kids..."

I have no idea how to spell 'Katelyn', but the more people who can be taught to spell it as you wish the better.

"I'm voting Republican so I can disintegrate outdoors..."

[I might not have heard that correctly.]

"I like to know that that even if we're separate we'll still be called equal."

This is the correct government position.

"I'm voting Republican because I need to be told who I can love..."

And no one will make me a wedding cake if I vote Republican.

That's all can stands for now.

[Irish]

"I'm voting Republican ... because we just love cheap plastic crap from China."

I love how nativist progressives get when it comes to Chinese people producing goods.

Tell me: Why is it racist when a conservative says he doesn't want Mexicans making 'cheap plastic crap' on American soil, but when you throw a hissy fit about the yellow peril it's apparently super progressive and in no way xenophobic?

[Derpetologist]

Because only progs are allowed to criticize non-whites.

[C. Anacreon]

Because the only place to buy cheap Chinese goods in the USA is the source of all evil in the universe, Wal-Mart.

/nativist progressive

[widget]

Asians don't need help from progressives. This annoys them.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why is everyone in black?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Firm up that tie, Welch.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster showing cleavage.

[Bam!]

Why are all of them wearing black? Are they going to a funeral after the show?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kmele gonna do an entrepreneurial rap?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Didn't Mark Hanna run McKinley's campaign, not Obama's?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Weed, eh? Figures.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Germanate. You know who else was German-ish?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Roger Federer?

[Duke]

You just had to go there didn't you?

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else went there (Poland)?

[Duke]

Bacefook? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q39bj5-cxfY

[kibby]

Feisty Matt is my favorite Matt!

[Fist of Etiquette]

If you read Facebook you deserve what you get.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah, call the police, just keep your puppy crated. In a different state.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Interrupting the people you agree with!

Why be discriminatory re the people you interrupt?

[Duke]

I don't TV. Can somebody please close caption in real time for me?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

This is the closest I could find:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, seriously,

http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/.....ness-live/

[Duke]

I thought the first 257 seconds were amazing. But those last 43 seconds were so grating.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

My second link was genuine.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ayers didn't like the government either!

But mentioning him is out of line!

[Max Power]

Yeah Kmele, make him say it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"I'm not saying it's all TEA PARTY EXTREMISTS! because we can't automatically draw conclusions about these REPUBLICAN RACIST MURDERERS!"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Do we know they were mentally ill?

[kibby]

Oh, Kmele. You are just the best!

[Irish]

Stop hitting on Kmele, Kibby. He's my man, and I'll cut you if you try to take him from me.

[jesse.in.mb]

Kibby's man was claimed by Nicole. Cut her some slack.

[kibby]

BRING IT.

[kibby]

BRING IT.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, that was pointless.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Literally.

[Derpetologist]

That's what she said!

Zing!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The left is using mental illness (PTSD) to defend Bergdahl now.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It's a catch-all.

Argue with it and you hatez teh trupez.

[Hyperion]

Fuck, they aren't even defending Bergdahl, they don't give a shit about him. It's all about defending what the administration did. If they could accomplish that by throwing Bergdahl into a wood chipper, alive, they wouldn't hesitate to do it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Bill earns as much as 300k with speaking gigs.

Please.

[Bobarian]

They both had book deals worth millions, as well.

[Hyperion]

I had to mute it, I can't stand the voice of that evil cackling old cankled bag. Then I had to minimize it, because her haggard face has a similar effect on me.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Elizabeth Warren. A faux-populist with a tomahawk and high cheekbones.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Likable enough. You know who else called Shrillary likable enough?

[Hyperion]

Obama is more likeable than Hillary.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why don't you just marry him.

[Hyperion]

What???

[Fist of Etiquette]

WHY. DON'T. YOU. JUST. MARRY. HIM.

[Hyperion]

What?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Whydon'tyoujustmarryhim.

[Bam!]

The president also has a $190,000/year pension. Shut up, Hillary.

[Fist of Etiquette]

George P. Bush 2020.

[C. Anacreon]

I read a Swiss op-ed in The Week today about someone in Switzerland, who had been giving the Nazi salute in public and was arrested for this, who had his charges dropped by their Supreme Court. The court decided it was free speech.

The op-ed said that giving the Nazi salute shouldn't qualify as free speech, as it wasn't appropriate, innocent and harmless like wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

Related... Leninade! Getting commies to fork over $30 for a 12-pack in true capitalist style.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She's just trying to set herself up as common folk in case she runs in 2016 because is the narrative Democrats, the Liberals party in Canada and prog-zombies at large are latching on to.

[Hyperion]

Well, she knows that democrat voters are stupid enough to believe anything, so why not?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hannah, there isn't enough polish in the world to shine that Hillary turd. Give it up.

[Max Power]

I just looked at Facebook, and some college associate of mine is getting all outraged about something Gavin McInness said on Fox
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....e-on-them/

[Irish]

Gavin McInness is a scum bag, but that's hilarious.

[Max Power]

I thought it was funny too. This guy is outraged because it just shows that "Republicans are anti-science".

[widget]

No one likes Gavin McInness. Which means he's OK in my book.

From rawstory comments:

Sorry, asshole. We liberals think for ourselves - unlike you conservative morons who toe the party line and obey without question. The Koch Brothers,...

Go to Taki Magazine where his articles are posted and he gets flamed from the other side: a list maker, rather than a good writer, and not a true conservative.

[Irish]

Sorry, asshole. We liberals think for ourselves - unlike you conservative morons who toe the party line and obey without question. The Koch Brothers,...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Oh man, the lack of self-awareness is delicious.

[Knarf the Yenrabian]

They're really scraping the bottom of the outrage barrel, aren't they? Frankly, I'm outraged that someone else is outraged.

[Hyperion]

Gawd, that is one goofy looking mofo.

[Hyperion]

I mean, there is something seriously weird going on with his teeth...

[Hyperion]

Ok, I see, he has like this one tooth right in the middle of the lowers, that is bigger than all the others, and when he talks, it makes this weird effect with the gap in the upper teeth. Lol.

[Duke]

Who is that man with long black hair and glasses?

[Fist of Etiquette]

He says Taliban like I say Cinnabon.

[jesse.in.mb]

How do you keep your perfect 21.5 BMI if you're even thinking about Cinnabon?

[Fist of Etiquette]

High metabolism and an active lifestyle. But mostly high metabolism.

[Whahappan?]

Translation: Cocaine.

[Gene]

That's shreek.

[Bobarian]

Fist uses meth so he can post first.

[Andrew S.]

Gun conversation with a friend, on the subject of the idiots in Las Vegas:

Friend: "AR-15s should be banned, because reasons. But police officers should be able to have them, because reasons"

Me: "If you're going to ban them, why should cops still have them? I'm willing to see such high powered (yes, I know) weaponry banned, so long as cops can't have them either"

Friend: "But I want cops to have them in case somebody tries to shoot at them with a non-legal AR-15!"

I didn't continue the argument because I knew it was fruitless... but c'mon.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

in case somebody tries to shoot at them with a non-legal AR-15!"

Some serious facepalm there, Andy. You ok?

[Andrew S.]

Gave myself a concussion.

[Anonymous Coward]

Friend: "But I want cops to have them in case somebody tries to shoot at them with a non-legal AR-15!"

So to conclude: Your friend's only success in this scenario is to disarm otherwise peaceful citizens.

Well done, friend-guy. Well done.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Apparently there aren't national security issues.

[Bam!]

"The Taliban 5" -- Are they putting together a band?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

#1 with a bullet!

[Andrew S.]

It's a boy band. Their hit song goes "nabilat et nioj"

[Agammamon]

Sounds latin.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I see them as a Genesis tribute band for some reason.

[Vulgar Madman]

They would be.

[Bobarian]

Because that would be the most terrible thing they could do?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Lake was given unprecedented interruption-free access to Fox Biz viewers.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 9 June 2014

Goodbye, Hatchet-Carrie-Edition

- Kennedy: It is a little known fact that Kennedy, after leaving MTV, spent a few years doing the Mummenschanz ciruit. She still misses putting on her all-black leotard and her toiletpaper-face and doing a little po-mo dance routines to the melodic stylings of Karlheinz Stockhausen. Our opinion: we'd Putty That Face anyday.

- Matt: We now have documented proof of both a New White Shirt, and a New Blue Shirt. *This, after months of nothing but me grumbling about Pink and Grey. I sincerely believe I had something to do with this, and I believe the proof of my point should be apparent: Does Matt look great? That depends - but i can assure you *he doesn't look ridiculous*, and that's a big step forward. The question: why is every single shirt collar identical? Is no one reading my stuff? You gotta mix it up bro. Maybe talk to the drug dealer sitting next to you...

To wit=
- Kmele: Is Kmele Foster Gonna Have to Choke a Bitch? The Pimp is strong with young Kmele. Whether this getup is apropos for a TV talk show may be a matter of debate, but that he Runs Shit Up In This Piece is most certainly not. what this enseble is missing is his thick Jamaican patois talking about how monogomy is a social myth.

Merci Beaucoup

[Derpetologist]

My advice to Matt is to wear a shirt made out of an upside-down potato sack.

[GILMORE]

What works for you and Barney Rubble is not necessarily the basis for contemporary Men's fashion.

[Derpetologist]

Wigs and frilly shirts used to be fashionable. I say Matt dresses like the Scarlet Pimpernel.

[GILMORE]

*

You may be on to something.

[Derpetologist]

I read the reason people started wearing wigs was because Louis XIV went bald and wore one. Then all his suck-ups starting wearing them. Pretty soon almost all men wearing them.

Food for derp!

[gaijin]

Primus into the break....nice!

[GILMORE]

Really? what was it? jerry/racecar? tommy the cat? wynona's big brown beaver?

[gaijin]

i think it was soutbound pachyderms

[Derpetologist]

Dear Independents: if you're going to bombard me with cholesterol medicine and denture commercials, could you at least work in a showing of the Old Glory Robot Insurance commercial once in a while?

[gaijin]

what is a secular religion exactly?

[gaijin]

not sure why that showed as a reply to your post

[kibby]

Because the squirrels have gone mad with power. MAD!

[kibby]

As a viewer of The Independents, I don't think I need an ad convincing me to watch.

[Bam!]

Why the hell would anyone willingly go to North Korea?

[kibby]

To have a horrifying story to tell other people?

[Andrew S.]

I dunno. I'd be damn interested to see what my handlers allowed me to see. My only issue is that I have no self control, and there's at least a 75% chance I'd end the trip in a gulag.

[jesse.in.mb]

I wanted to go for the Mass Games, but I had to work 🙁

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hey. This guy has been here before.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This guy looks like Justin Timberlake.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Or Cody Wilson.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Uh, if I tell you I'll punch you in the face if you say another word, and you continue to talk, yeah, you were warned but it doesn't absolve me of the knuckle sandwich.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

How do we know all these things about the guy's motives?

Maybe we could ask him?

Oh, wait...

[Iucundus (ex Damned Fool)]

Cuban ballerinas defect to US

But free health care!

[kibby]

Weezer is super fun to see live. That is all.

[C. Anacreon]

They can even make Fonzie dance.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Aieee!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

this is so fascinating

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rick Allen couldn't do that.

[GILMORE]

I think someone's cell phone went off on the show.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Why is is "escapee" instead of "escaper"?

[Duke]

I thought it was "escapor."

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else made a last minute escape by helicopter?

[Bam!]

US embassy workers?

[Duke]

"Get to the chopper!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE

[Fist of Etiquette]

Powers Boothe in Sudden Death?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Rambo? (First Blood part 2)

[Bobarian]

Roy Scheider in 'Blue Thunder'

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The Quebec guys who escaped had Hell's Angels connections.

[GILMORE]

Oh, Matt's all like, "pppt I could be Weezer's drummer".

Backup vocals, matt. You're a backup vocalist.

[Duke]

I could see Matt as the band manager. A really good one, I might add.

[Agammamon]

Charles Foster Ofdensen

[Duke]

Kennedy would look so much better if she wore giant hoop earrings.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

really sensitive

[Fist of Etiquette]

So the other one died for no reason!

[Lady Bertrum]

*awkward silence*

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Platypus!

[Fist of Etiquette]

If it was ferrets in the elevator, let's see if Foster is so keen to witness.

[Bam!]

What isn't Matt afraid of? Frogs, elevators -- more have been mentioned.

[jesse.in.mb]

Frogs

But his wife is French!

[kibby]

Matt's such a wimp.

[Almanian!]

Not watching

*back to "D-Day In Color" - again*

[gaijin]

if it weren't for siemens...

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Should probably protect your nugget in such a situation. Perhaps lay on your back with your feet up?

[gaijin]

couldn't he just jump moments before impact and avoid all injury?

/bugsbunny

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"You're black, aren't you?"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Do good things come from frank discussions with black voters?

[Duke]

Only if you're white, out of touch, obsequious and a registered Democrat.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"As a honky-American..."

[MJGreen]

God damn, I wish the Kochs or anyone else would buy my vote. Even $10. Give me enough to buy a beer afterwards, and I'll stand in line on election day for you.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"You're black, aren't you?"

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yeah, you need to promise free shit to win over voters.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kmele Foster: Unabashed RACIST.

[GILMORE]

Because machine democrats haven't spent *billions* and generations on buying off the black vote? I love how this guy sniffs as though Dems are successful without the corrupting influence of 'money', as though urban politics ISNT about handouts and crony jobs and ensuring endless welfare benefits.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Good going Kmele. Put the derp in his place.

[GILMORE]

Thank you Kmele for making the argument in my mind.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So then Democrats need to change their policies?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ugh. Sharing economy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Genuinely curious...is this simply a euphemism by jittery progs to describe free markets they happen to like?

[Bam!]

My exact thoughts.

[SweatingGin]

Nope, sharing economy is the silicon valley marketing name (likely to appeal to the progs) -- the progs don't seem to like that because money.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Sharing economy?

You mean a free market?

[gaijin]

sharing economy...i will share my place with you if you share your money with me.

[SusanM]

Serious question - is there any difference between a hookah and a bong(sp?). Been looking all over the webz and can't get a clear answer.

[gaijin]

tubes

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Is there any difference between a hookah and a drunk coed?

[SusanM]

That's easy - $20 and smaller criminal charges

[GILMORE]

To be fair, water pipes are legal in some places.

[GILMORE]

A bong typically uses a 'carb' such that you are either 'filling' or 'emptying' the air from the water chamber (aka 'bong hit')

wereas a hookah you draw from the pipe at your leisure rather than 'hit it'; you puff it like you would a traditional tobacco pipe.

[SusanM]

Thanks 🙂 I went to a hookah lounge and got some pretty weird looks when I kept calling it a bong.

[SweatingGin]

heh, they're probably afraid you're a narc. "WATER PIPE! WATER PIPE!!!"

[SusanM]

Probably. There's a store nearby which sells hookahs and accessories and there's signs up all over it basically saying "Don't call them anything but hookahs or you'll be banned".

[GILMORE]

I like how the Dem shill slipped in the "we have to be careful not to let unregulated economic activity happen" only AFTER paying lip service to the idea of AirBnB

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Rangers.

Done.

Kings.

Cup.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You don't know.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The Kings would be the first to tell you that going down 3-0 is not a guarantee of defeat.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Happened three times in NHL history where a team came back from a 3-0 deficit before L.A. did it this year. I'd say the probabilities of it happening twice in one year is astronomically low.

Starting to feel like a sweep.

[Derpetologist]

"Don't look at it, Marion!"

Note the middle right:

http://www.glamour.com/images/.....r-h724.jpg

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Even if she had a perfect body, the hideous tats would ruin her, at least for me.

As it as she has curves in all the wrong places.

[gaijin]

stuffed sausage casing...with eyeliner

[Notorious G.K.C.]

It's as if she tries to obscure whatever attractiveness she has.

[Bobarian]

I question whether there is anything to obscure.

[kibby]

I am, by the way, not rethinking my tattoo. So...deal with it. =P

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Yours is going to be relatively small and in a not visible location. Plus I actually like the one you want, it's very inspired given your degree.

[Derpetologist]

I was thinking of putting a wig and lipstick on a orangutan and seeing if I can get it on the cover of Glamour.

[widget]

She weren't the pertiest gal at the dance but she seemed OK to talk to. I weren't the most han'some man der neider. So I walks up to 'er and tells 'er how I like one of her 'toos.

Well I got me a Sunday mornin' sermon, right den and dere, out some bible verse I never heard of.

[Fist of Etiquette]

DID THIS GUY JUST THREATEN ME?

[jesse.in.mb]

This fellow seems well intentioned but not particularly telegenic.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Way to be a stereotype.

[jesse.in.mb]

Politely stating a truth is stereotypical of what, pray tell.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Harsh and shallow internet commenter, of course.

[Derpetologist]

A comedian I knew in Chicago recently died from a drug overdose. He was a few years younger than me.

[GILMORE]

what kind o drogas?

[Derpetologist]

Not sure. Heroin I guess.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Breaking news: Kmele Foster's solution is privatization.

[Bam!]

They took our Dobbz.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ah, not Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

YAAHAHHAHHA!!!DARBS!!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Blimey, Lou Dobbs stand-in!

[GILMORE]

...not dobbs?

[SweatingGin]

Aftershow begins on foxbusiness.com/independents a few moments after you say "AAAAGGGHHHH!!!"

LIES!

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Why must you turn my internet into a house of lies?"

[kibby]

The live stream will begin when you all accept the President as your lord & savior...

[Fist of Etiquette]

THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The audience is getting restless...you don't want to see H&R people when they're angry...

[Bam!]

Do they know they're not on the air?

[kibby]

They didn't last time.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yes, but they haven't finished guzzling their gin.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Ugh. I can guzzle just about any alcohol but the thought of doing so with gin makes me sick to think about.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Duh, that's why they didn't want us watching.

[SweatingGin]

it's not so bad.

For the sick thinking about guzzling, think Schnapps. Doesn't really matter what kind.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Somehow I knew you were going to take that position.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

AWESOME!

Support Your Local Gunfighter on Encore Westerns.

[SweatingGin]

Funny enough, even without it streaming, the FBN streaming site kicked on the fan in my laptop.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And that's one more fan than they're going to end up with if they don't start soon.

[kibby]

Well screw this. I'm running errands. You guys had better clean up the mess in here by the time I get back!

[SweatingGin]

You're not my real mom!

[jesse.in.mb]

Well, let's hope she's not Paul.'s mom or Serious will be in a for a world of hurt.

[kibby]

I'm not sure I even want to know what this means...

[jesse.in.mb]

Clearly, you have not been following the telenovela that is Epi and Paul.'s mom.

An example and another.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/shoves condom coupons in pocket.

[jesse.in.mb]

Is this gonna be another time where the feed comes up on Kennedy's last sentence? Because I was not amused last time.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Apparently.

You are a seer.

[GILMORE]

I thought it was ironic.

Because normally they cut off her last sentence.

[jesse.in.mb]

I got the very end of an old aftershow. WTF mate?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

If I stare at that non-working site much longer, I'm going to almost feel silly.

[Bam!]

I think we're part of some marketing research experiment.

[GILMORE]

Almost?

[GILMORE]

After the first fucked-up 'aftershow', i expected at least an acknowledgement that they'd spun their wheels for nothing.

Nope.

[SweatingGin]

Welch says "screw you guys, I'm going home"

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, good, I was waiting to hear their signoff.

[Bam!]

How come a cable station has trouble streaming live video, something anyone can do from their phone?

[trshmnster the terrible]

" Matt Welch ? @mleewelch

After show cancelled! @IndependentsFBN sowwy!
"

Oh noes!!

[GILMORE]

Anyone else think using the American Flag as their background image for "WAIT LONGER = WE ARE INCOMPETENT AT RUNNING A WEB PROGRAM" is potential grounds for 'desecration' claim?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

No, because you got more precious minutes to gaze upon our national flag!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Classic. Now let's give libertarians the country to run.

[jesse.in.mb]

At least the syndicalists could keep the phones working.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Because "anarcho syndicalist" includes "dial it!"

[GILMORE]

Twitter?

WTF, you can't have your interns post here? sigh. So much for my belief that we were the 'celebrity box-seats'.

Well, at least we have beer. Speaking of which, i would like for everyone to raise their glass with me and make a toast to Carrie Nation

"She described herself as "a bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what He doesn't like",[2] and claimed a divine ordination to promote temperance by destroying bars."

To which you say, "Boy am I glad *that* bitch is dead"

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I found a link which works -

http://www.leben.us/volume-8-v.....e-movement

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"Or barring [a saloonkeeper's] way, she would cry "Shame on you! You rum-soaked Republican rummy! You ally of Satan!""

Because we know it's the *Republicans* who ran the saloons.

[trshmnster the terrible]

Oh, Progressive Era Progressives, the best combination of neo-progs and SoCons.

[Agammamon]

Here's some cop derp for you.

From 2003 but a friend of mine sent the video recently (I'd never seen it before).

The link is to Snopes who went and checked out its veracity.

NSFW and pretty darn graphic.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/g.....rogate.asp

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Nice shot, man.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Does anyone have a Kings jersey for sale? I'll pay anything!!!

[jesse.in.mb]

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're joking.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

P0rn for jesse

And something for the rest of us

Happy to bring the thread together with tennis appreciation.

[GILMORE]

Hey, that's awesome, i'm glad she's shaping up to be more than just a pretty face young star.

Is that her first major?

[GILMORE]

I mean aside from wimbledon...

[GILMORE]

OK, I looked it up. 5. Silly me.

[Irish]

Yeah, you're only about 8 years late, Gilmore.

[GILMORE]

I was under the impression that she'd won Wimbledon 8 years ago and done nothing since.

Instead, she's won majors every other year since. I confess, i dont really follow women's tennis, or mens tennis for that matter, since i no longer get free tickets for the US open anymore. For a while (like 6 years) i went every year and pretended to some tennis fandom. Not so much anymore.

[Carl ?s his privilege]

Girls of Computex 2014

[Fr?ulein Nikki]

jesse is so welcome to Djokovic.

[jesse.in.mb]

Done and done.

Me likey Srpski.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Fucking LOL at this dipshit Lt Col Robert Bateman from the Esquire link:

"I have been overseas in Afghanistan and in NATO nations for half a decade while the insanity of the National Rifle Association expanded and exploded, and the NRA became, essentially, the tool of death in the United States. They made mass killings normal.

Well done, NRA. But this shit is too much.

Constant cop-killing, by people who echo the NRA talking points and the conspiracy theories of the Internet wackos.

That dumbass has a whole passel of strawman he had no problem burning down in the name of stroking his authoritarian ban-boner--I guess it's rather appropriate he's spent the last "half-decade" scratching that itch against people who'd rather he fuck off back home.

[Sevo]

"Constant cop-killing, by people who echo the NRA talking points and the conspiracy theories of the Internet wackos."

Cite MISSING!

[MJGreen]

Constant cop-killing... the conspiracy theories of the Internet wackos.

Projection in a single sentence.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

You should read the comments he posts under the article. They're equally as derpy and paranoid.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

He doubles down on the shitlib inanities in the comments, too:

Robin, is that not what you are trying to do? Suppress speech through your statements of support of guns, and advocating your own guns (and de facto, given the environment, violence towards) over people who, like me, who have no guns? I should think that this avocation of the use and possession of guns, towards people like me who do not have guns, is the essence of the bullying exhibited by the fascists. Wouldn't you?

Proof that proglydytes lack any self-awareness whatsoever.

[widget]

I'm having some trouble following the thread here.

[lap83]

http://www.cnet.com/news/bulle.....choolkids/

Bodyguard blankets for schoolkids. (I don't know if this has been posted already.) I find it dumb and depressing. derp-ressing?

[Pathogen]

"Bodyguard blankets for schoolkids. (I don't know if this has been posted already.) I find it dumb and depressing. derp-ressing?"

"DUCK AND COVER!!"

An equally worthless defense strategy, psychologically soothing, yet bereft of any meaningful protection.. They should call them 'Comfort Blankets?'

[Andrew S.]

Fuck the Rangers.

Don't love an LA team winning, but the Kings are almost Flyers West, and they give me a glimpse of what could be if the Flyers had a competent front office.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

This is a classic case of one team getting all the bounces. Them being L.A.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I hope not. The plan was to win in 5 so the fans can be there.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

2 years ago, they brought the cup into the local bar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06......html?_r=0

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Looks like it, eh?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Everyone in Philly knew this except the Flyer's front office.

[Andrew S.]

*sob*

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I still can't believe they gave up on Richards AND Carter.

[GILMORE]

Fuckin A that's how you do things.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

4th? I reckon he's higher than that.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Do not even get me started. That was soul-crushing even by Philly standards.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The Stanley Cup has been all over the world.

It's the most storied and traveled trophy in sports.

[Andrew S.]

I hate Paul Holmgren with every fiber of my being.

(And I wish I had confidence that Hextall will do any better)

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Well that looks like the sort of problem every coach in the league would like to have.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Stoll. Meh. I figured he can go as high as 3rd since his production has come off. Still, that's deep up the middle.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yeah, when Justin Williams is 3rd line you got depth. Though 1st or 4th line doesn't matter much if a coach rolls all lines.

[GILMORE]

That's a little bit of a stretch there, Canuck.

i think the America's Cup has you beat on both Time and Travel and international drama.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

On a hunch looked up the Kings' GA: 2.02GA on the season. With that goal tending and strength up the middle it's hardly a surprise.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

No, no he said sports GILMORE.

[jesse.in.mb]

No, no he said sports GILMORE.

Yacht racing?

We got us some 99%ers here. Quick! Have your orphans barricade your palatial estates!

[GILMORE]

I'm assuming you all have no idea what actually goes on in the Americas Cup lately.

[GILMORE]

For you gratification =

http://alturl.com/89eti
highlights from the series and the final race

Last year was probably the greatest series since the 1980s. A guy got killed. There were a half dozen crashes/capsizes. Average boat speeds are now 30-40 knots downwind, on hydrofoil. The crews are full of Olympic athletes and these boats require ridiculous levels of physical exertion to run.

Its F1 on water. If you think guys 'driving cars' is a sport, yet sneer at this, you're fucking high.

[Raven Nation]

Yeah, well, if you can't hold a 4-2 lead in the 3rd, you've got problems.