Tonight on The Independents: Penn Jillette! Benghazi! NSA! Nick Gillespie!
Tonight's live episode of Fox Business Network's The Independents, which airs at 9 pm ET and then repeats again at midnight, should be a doozy. First up will be famed entertainer, bullshit-detector, and all-around awesome libertarian Penn Jillette, who will talk about whether the latest New York Times reporting on Benghazi changes the free-speech ramifications of the case. He'll also riff on retail recreational weed going legal this week, and whatever else the hell Penn Jillette wants to talk about.
Next there'll be talk about France's constitutional court approving President Francois Hollande's bright idea about taxing millionaires 75 percent, then a left-right panel of Democratic Party strategist Julie Roginsky Mediaite lacerator Noah Rothman duke it out over dueling NSA court rulings and the cutoff of long-term federal unemployment benefits. Somewhere in there will be a discussion of Russia's pre-Olympics suicide bomb attacks, and then wrapping it all up a neat bow will be none other than Nick Gillespie.
Sounds like fun, right? Send your Twitter reviews to @IndependentsFBN (#independents) and the best ones will be used on air.
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Sounds like a great lineup. Will you be back to hosting, Mr. Welch?
Yes, I was on vacation last week.
Yeah, grueling gig man, only on a little while and you need a break!
Also – you guys need to do a Wikipedia page.
He was visiting the in-laws. He would have Skyped it in, but half of the things he would have said constitute hate crimes in France.
Watching now, but that image of you is not doing much talking.
Well, that fixed it. Can someone else speak now?
OK, I take it back. That Commie gal is making my head explode already.
Jeez man, first you want him to talk so he does then you complain that he’s talking so he let’ someone else then you complain that someone else is talking.
Thanks for summing that up.
I think our Tony has migrated over to Slate. From the Libertarians Fail At Gay Rights article:
Sockpuppets gotta sockpuppet.
They also Are. Totally. Not. Sexists.
WAR ON WOMENZZZZZ!!!!!!
Yes, so fuck all yous guyz.
Lady B was quoting, verbatim, Mary Ruwart’s closing speech at the 2008 convention after Barr won the nomination, by the way.
Heh Heh. I bet the majority of people who consider themselves ‘white’ really arent.
Amen!
/Liz Warren
As a man of Scotch-Irish descent, I am honored that, following generations of struggle against Anglo-Saxon autocrats and rentiers, Gallic utopianism, and Nordic eugenics, I’m now considered a white person on equal footing with all the descendants of the people who conquered and murdered my ancestors. Warms the heart.
I’d like to know when Europeans who killed each other for two millennia lost their religious and cultural identities in the eyes of the goofy left and became simply “white.” And when Protestants and Catholics became homogeneous Christians.
Presumably all us “white” people who know how to sit still for a sermon look alike to the SJW posse.
That was rather nicely done. *applause*
Racism is peculiar thing. I worked with an older black lady who loved me to death. She brought me meals for lunch, went nuts on another black lady who said something smart ass to me, would do anything for me, but she had a laser like focused hatred for white women. To such an extent, she popped over to her house across the street from the enterprise for her bathroom breaks. She didn’t want to sit down on the same commode seats that their asses have been.
I’ve noticed that all my life. A lot of it stems from the weird relationship that Southern whites and Southern blacks have–their cultures, religious life, and worldview are close cousins, way closer than with anyone else from another region, but there’s a real chasm there that shared culture just can’t cross.
That gap is 99% the result of Jim Crow, as the state forced black communities to form their own necessarily insular culture. Political factors stemming from the heavy socialist tilt of FDR and LBJ have only strengthened it, as has the fact that racist idiots like Jackson and Sharpton are considered leaders of the black community while Sowell and Walter Williams have zero popular pull.
Because the Irish never counted as White.
They try too hard to be white and wind up pinkish.
So….libertarians are racist because they are all white males?
I think one of the commenters here mentioned something about projection a time or two.
I have to admit, I had a lot of trouble trying to make sense of his argument criticizing logic. So much so that I failed.
“But if only a scrappy band of pale-faced straight boys and men have access to Total Logic, it should go without saying that their conception of logic is flawed. Or else it must inherently incorporate racist, sexist, and homophobic claims as truth.”
Huh?
Can’t take white males seriously because they’re suckers. Why are they suckers? Because they appeal to logic.
Great physicists and mathematicians are almost entirely white males. Therefore physics and math are inherently sexist, racist, and homophobic and can be dismissed out of hand.
/derp
You know who else dismissed certain theories of physics and mathematics due to heavy representation in the field by a certain ethnic group?
Tokugawa shoguns?
Ming emperors?
Pythagoreans?
Pythagoreans? Now you’re just peeing in the direction of the sun while eating fava beans.
You… I mean…just…
*shakes head and walks away*
Don’t remember where I saw it, but I remember reading somewhere that Logic is inherently racist.
The person that said it wasn’t being sarcastic either.
Yeah, I lol’d.
I remember sitting in a biochem lecture and two women in front of me were whispering to each other about how patriarchal the professor was being.
The professor was a woman.
Very surreal.
Oh don’t kid yourself, plenty of women perpetuate the patriarchy.
All the women who disagree with feminists, basically.
Word to Tony: The Rich White Liberal crowd is compose of Whities too.
Yeah, but our white guys look like the cast of Revenge of the Nerds, and their white guys look like the cast of The West Wing. So I have been told by someone who didn’t realize I wasn’t a member of their progtard tribe.
Plus, they’re soooo sorry for being white, and want to make it up to all the lowly non-whites by showing them how to live correctly.
One could say, its their burden.
+1
Occupy wall street was lily white as well.
The children of rich white liberals tend to be as white as their parents.
Ask them why nearly all minorities vote for Democrats, and see if you can get a coherent response that isn’t inherently bigoted.
OTOH, ask nearly any minority why it votes for Democrats, and see if you can get a coherent response that isn’t inherently bigoted.
Hmmm, let’s see … Bush got nearly half of Latino votes when he ran against a white guy. Romney got only 17% of non-white votes when he ran against a half-black guy.
So, would it be bigoted to suggest that maybe some of those minority votes for Obama were bigoted due to the color of his skin? It’s bigoted to suggest that people voting based on the color of skin is bigotry because only white people can be bigots?
Or maybe other factors are in play — remarks like “self-deportation” might rub a few people wrong who have relatives he’s talking about.
And, I’m guessing that first generation Cuban-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans might have voted differently than other people who didn’t have first-hand memories of Communism?
one important one being that they’re almost entirely composed of white males.
Ahahahahaha
“You’re white and have a dick, therefore your argument is invalid.”
I sincerely hope that any and everyone that buys that line dies horribly in a fire.
The first nationally recognized political party to support gay marriage in its platform and the first to nominate a woman for VP is actually a group of homophobic misogynists.
damn they are getting scared, aren’t they?
Man that jsut makes no sense at all dude. None.
http://www.BeinAnon.tk
Please let the mustache be an illusion.
He just got through eating a big burrito.
Yeah. I looked before I realized. I immediately had to rub my watering, burning eyes and then while squinting through the tears and repeatedly exclaiming ” Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God!” I was finally able to type in the URL for Eye Bleach.
Your verbal reaction made me think of Cage’s reaction to The Wicker Man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gZfUoWZW6A
Keep the ‘stache, Nick. It’s mighty, mighty awesome. I will fight to the death for a leader with one like that.
Damn, and here I was thinking of shaving mine.
Just give a red Starfleet lieutenant’s uniform and point me in the general direction!
Apologies if this has been noted here elsewhere, but this was interesting:
“A poll released today by the Pew Research Center reveals that acceptance of evolution among Republicans has plummeted in recent years, from 54 percent in 2009 to a jarring 43 percent today. The poll also found that a startling 48 percent of Republicans believe that all living things today have existed in their present form since the start of time.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the…..ponsoredd2
Discussed earlier. Also, polls are bullshit. All of ’em.
No they’re not. But I wouldn’t trust a lone outlier.
The GOP has been purging any brainy types they had for a while. We hashed this out years ago here in this article, Bo.
http://www.economist.com/blogs…..12/science
DANIEL SAREWITZ devotes an entire column in Slate to the fact that only 6% of scientists self-identify as Republicans (55% self-identify as Democrats) without offering even a hypothetical explanation of how this situation might have come about.
The Economist then explores possible answers for this development.
I can think of three testable hypotheses they might look into. The first is that scientists are hostile towards Republicans, which scares young Republicans away from careers in science. The second is that Republicans are hostile towards science, and don’t want to go into careers in science. The third is that young people who go into the sciences tend to end up becoming Democrats, due to factors inherent in the practice of science or to peer-group identification with other scientists. In the absence of data, I leave it to you to decide which you find most plausible. But by all means, social scientists should look into this.
Be forewarned, the Peanuts don’t like this topic.
social scientists
BAHAHAHAHAHA he thinks social scientists are scientists-and that’s probably a part of how the study was conducted, which explains the numbers.
Back so soon for another H&R asskicking Shriek? What took you so long? Did your peers get so tired of you that they just gang-raped you in the back of the short bus?
While PB does deserve derision, what methodology of “hard” science would be appropriate to study a “social” phenomenon such as individuals of a certain profession and their political/ideological self-identification? Or are you arguing that this is something that cannot be investigated empirically?
If one were to use tried-and-true classic psychology experiment procedures, such as double-blinds and stringent care about leading questions and the like, you could probably have yourself a pretty interesting study that could have intriguing results. However, we have seen study after study by ideologues that are specifically designed to elicit the desired results, to the point where one just assumes all these types of “studies” are partisan backslapping or opponent-slagging, because they pretty much all are at this point.
It’s just like “climate change science”. It has become so politicized, and there is absolutely no reproach from their colleagues when politicizing a study, that it’s pretty much all impossible to trust anyone at this point.
It’s a real shame that political ideology has been allowed–with no struggle whatsoever–to influence “science” at this point, with no recriminations at all.
Right on, and it is a shame. But it’s no reason to slur those social scientists out there doing God’s work in the trenches every day. Like Mrs. Wine Commonsewer. Everyday she puts her life on the line, trawling through education statistics, not knowing if she’ll make it home to TWC at night.
Obviously Cyto is just part of the bigorati (was that how it spelled it?) and is jealous of the power-lifting abilities of surfing social scientists.
Doesn’t it have 2 t’s?
Yeah, that sounds right.
? Herp! Derp! Herp! Derp!
? Oh don’t you know…
? That’s the sound of the derps
? Workin’ on a spin
? ga-a-ang
? That’s the sound of the derps
? Workin’ on a spin
? ga-a-ang
? All day long, they derp so hard
? Spewing lies til the sun goes down
? Out in the chatrooms and bar rooms
? and looking, looking like clowns!
I wonder what the breakdown would be if they sampled engineers? You know, people who have to build stuff that works, and is cost-effective?
^This. Private sector scientists, who aren’t dependent on the State for funding, skew heavily libertarian, IME (30 years as a physical scientist in the private sector). Hardly any of us bother with AAAS until we’re ready to retire and get a sweet adjunct academic gig.
A certain scumbag is taking another brief break from diligently working on his book!
The evangelical types are dying off. Secular youth are taking over. This is just an echo of a dying generation.
The evangelical types are dying off
And that is a huge demographic problem for the GOP.
No it isn’t. According to this analysis of 2012 voting data, white youths broke for Republicans.
Yep. I bet young DINKs just love all this wealth redistribution chatter from Warren and the ProgDems.
David Friedman: Who is against evolution?
Almost everyone on the left believes that he believes in evolution. Yet I find it hard to think of any proposition popular on the left that is deduced from that belief. And, as I think I have shown, important dogmas of much of the left are inconsistent with it.
The Left are such fervent believers in evolution/natural selection/etc. that Peter Singer had to write a book trying to convince them of it.
The consequences of the Theory of Evolution are also why, of course, Pete Singer believes we should be able to kill babies after they are born and we should be able to have sex with animals.
None of the above was written as hyperbole or with humorous intent. That is what Singer has actually argued in the past.
“Sex with animals?!? There’s no time, man!”
Is this the dude that said they need to ditch Marx and deify Darwin? I remember my instant reaction to that was ” If they did that, they would not be the left.”.
Probably. Singer has said so much outrageous and disgusting shit that its hard to keep track.
Sex with animals! There’s no time, man!
Krugman thinks that if all prey animals fell dead in the forest the extra food the wolves will get will increase their population for decades.
Browns facility
Isn’t that a slang term for a toilet?
Statism: A Word You’ll Only Hear on The Independents
But he’s not really there, is he?
“Illusions Welch. A trick is something a whore does for money.”
Or cocaine.
The Times report also says Hillary will be a kickass president.
Four Independents split screen. Is that new?
They’ve done the orgy before.
Cerritos!!! Thank you Matt for not referring to him as an “LA” filmmaker.
What’s one weird little filmmaker when an election is at stake?
Come out of the closet Tom Cruise!
Scientologists use lawyers to figuratively lop your head off.
Literally!
Did they put a TV in front of Kennedy’s legs?
Why is Kennedy wearing Dora the Explorer pajamas?
Not complaining. Just asking.
Is it really live? Or are we on 5-second tape delay? With Stoss’s finger on the red button?
Don’t tease us, Kennedy.
They were gambling and playing Russian Roulette with the stage hands.
Being black, people are quite surprised when I reveal that I am a libertarian. Living in the Democratic Republic of Chicago and sitting around a bunch of DePaul progressives, turning towards libertarianism wasn’t that hard.
The Zora Neale Hurston that is taught in schools is not exactly the Zora Neale Hurston that existed in real life life either. Neither is the Zora Neale Hurston that is celebrated in her local hometown festival.
It’s interesting that the members of the Harlem Renaissance that did not tow the Marxist lion mostly ended up dieing in poverty and obscurity.
Very true. I read a little Hurston in a freshman writing class @ UW, and believe me there was no mention of her politics.
I have always been puzzled by that. I could never understand why the vast majority of blacks are not rabid champions of liberty.
In the 30s FDR told em to vote for him or he would starve them to death.
Even at that, it was not until the 1960s that blacks abandoned the GOP in droves.
At just about the time guys like Thurmond were being welcomed in…
And Byrd, Gore, and all the rest of the racist Ratpack stayed right where they belonged.
I’ve always wondered, given the fact that the vast majority of racist dems stayed, unapologetically, with the Democrats, why no one suggests that maybe it was Thurmond who changed, who decided to join the party of Lincoln for reasons other than the oft-cited obvious lie that the racists switched parties.
Penn doesn’t know how annoying baked people are when you’re sober.
Okay, I guess he does.
Yeah, me too Penn. Me too Penn.
“Penn, your libertarianism has the momentum of a runaway freight train…”
Yes, liberals and progressives are total misanthropes.
Kennedy should never try to wrap things up with a guest compliment; it backfires.
Welch looks almost normal tonight instead of his typical aspie who dressed in the dark look.
It’s sprezzatura, mi’lady.
It’s unfortunate I won’t be taking the SAT again because I just learned a new word!
HM is a resource. Nay, a treasure.
I have learned rather a lot here at H&R.
I just realized, there’s a shitload of commercials on Fox Biz.
When you’ve lost French Elvis…
I thought Elvis was the fake version of Elvis.
Bubba Ho-Tep knows for sure.
Depardieu shrugged.
Oh great, now we’ve got a bunch of Frogs coming over on their cheese boats and taking American jobs!
Who goes to NYC to escape onerous taxes?
You know who else went to France and wanted to change it?
G. IULIUS CAESAR ESTNE
Philippe Egalit
I guess ASPCA has to spend its advertising budget before January 1st, those sad commercials have been on every cable network repeatedly for the past week.
All those government employees on their ‘winter break’, with their disposable income, sitting in front of the TV.
Fucking teachers haven’t worked in a week over here.
Those commercials might well be run as free public service spots to fill unsold airtime.
Focus, Kennedy, focus!
What the fuck?
The guests are having a ‘who can have the douchiest smile’ contest.
No more multiplier???
What is this woman talking about? We need unemployment spending to stop people from going on welfare? What’s the difference?
WHAT’S THE SOLUTION TO NO INCOME???
Didn’t you know we live in a world where charity does not exist? I mean, it’s not like Americans give $300 billion to charity every year. If that were the case, then you’d think people could reach into that pot instead of taking money that was stolen by force.
I’ve worked at food pantries that throw out 90% of their food because not enough people come and it starts to go bad. This is true of the vast majority of food pantries.
If that much food is getting thrown out from charity, shouldn’t we try and get people to go there so that we’re less wasteful?
Kennedy’s single-entendres are the reason there are no female libertarians.
Tyler Perry told me that Kennedy’s to blame for the lack of black libertarians.
I wonder when Perry is going to get around to telling us who’s to blame for the lack of gay libertarians. Cuz’ that brotha knows for sure!
Where are they going to go? Places where there are jobs? North Dakota?
What does the unemployed women’s studies graduate know about fracking?
I bet there are plenty of single men up there that’ll teach em all they ever want to know about fracking, and pay em a pretty penny to do it!
Talk about your horizontal drilling!!
Oh, she’s a class warrior.
Punishment. Not paying them for nothing is punishment.
What a weird segment.
An animated GIF needs to be made of that closing Kennedy nodding expression.
And her sticking her tongue out at the camera.
Goddammit, why do people come on shows like this when they get cut off just when they’re trying to make their point? I didn’t agree with her, obviously, but come on.
I’ll just come right out and say it. This format is a mess.
Who cares if they are effective. They are unconstitutional.
There is no exception to the Bill of Rights for violations the government says is necessary. End of story.
“I am VERY DISAPPOINTED!“
Conservative hedging like a pro.
This woman is upset about the NSA conceivably spying on her. I wonder if she’s equally upset with the amount of information the IRS is going to be keeping on her thanks to Obamacare.
Oops! I forgot that you’re not supposed to cross the streams and ask progressives to have consistent principles.
Third party doctrine is unconstitutional.
I take it back. The guests are wasting time as much as Kennedy is. They don’t deserve more than two stunted segments.
Kennedy is flirtier than usual.
A bottle of scotch and night vision goggles. I like it. I could totally hangout with Kennedy. Call me.
The outros are playing all my jams! Damn!
Life Alert saves a person from a catastrophe EVERY 9 MINUTES!
Fear, Fear, Fear!
A commercial for Pamrin? There are no women watching Fox Biz.
Kmele is the bomber?
Fear, Fear, Fear!
Even without Chechen Muslim terrorists affecting your country you’d have to be insane to want to host an Olympiad.
Prestige! And new facilities that will be under utilized for decades to come.
We must sacrifice our blood and treasure to honor All-Father Zeus!
ZamFear. Master of the Tritinol flute.
+1
Young man, there’s a place you can go.
Get neat, so that you can scan everything to a hard drive that will fail a month after digitize all your documents!
The fuck is on his shoulders?
What rank does Gillespie’s epaulettes denote?
rear admiral.
Upper or lower half?
More great Amazon reviews
BEEEEEP!
Why is Nick wearing military shoulder insignias. Or is that a spectacular case of dandruff?
He’s the very model of a modern major general.
He taught the band to play.
do they look like Gadaffi’s?
GODDAMMIT.
AH! Not Lou Dobbs?
Same bat time, same bat channel
http://www.inquisitr.com/10760…..c-gesture/
Dieudonne M’bala M’bala may be banned from performing in France after the black comedian repeatedly made a gesture that’s been called a “Nazi salute in reverse.”
Spurs’ Parker under fire for ‘Nazi’ gesture
http://nypost.com/2013/12/30/s…..i-gesture/
I don’t know anything about the history of the gesture in question, but if this a picture of it,
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcmO7N-CYAADZck.jpg
it looks like nothing more than a hip hopish Facebook pose to me.
Read up on this Dieudonne guy. The gesture is not as innocent as it may look. He’s a big-time Jew-hater.
You know who else gave a Nazi salute?
Francis Bellamy?
Charlie Chaplin?
You guys make me wish I had cable. Any interwebz source for fox biz streaming???
The age old question.
Next 48 hours will determine whether Michael Schumacher survives, doctors say
Get well soon, Fastman.
That’s insane that downhill skiing is where he really fucked himself up.
Dude drove go carts at 200 mph and skiing ended up being more dangerous for him.
Weird.
no helmet no steal cage no racer seat belts…
Boggles the mind.
Interesting. Maybe skiing is more dangerous.
I haven’t been in a go cart at 200 but I have taken Aztec at Aspen full speed. Somehow the go cart appears more dangerous.
one story mentioned he was wearing a helmet, and that he was off the groomed part of the trail and going very fast.
It’s still not as ironic as dying on the slopes after surviving decades of sex with Cher.
Once for sure. Decades worth? There is no evidence of that.
United Airlines cancels flights into Winnipeg due to: IT’S TOO DAMN COLD
The Jets will be the first to carry the Cup back to Canada. You mark my words.
I won’t hold my breath.
In 2112, right?
How cold is it at 35,000 feet?
Global warming strikes ag…oh hell, never mind. The warmista fuckers are so transparently mendacious and wildly off target you cant even make fun of them.
A MAN seated next to “an infant hippopotamus” who smelled like “blue cheese and Mumbai slum” on a Jetstar flight has penned a hilarious complaint letter.
So he’s the guy that Lindy West was bitching about?
Ten years later, this is still my favorite complaint letter.
This of course remains the best response to a complaint letter.
Canadian woman turns basement into $30,000 replica of Starship Enterprise
Canadian Line Rainville had $30,000 to spend on renovations to her Notre-Dame-des-Prairies, Quebec home and decided to recreate parts of the Star Trek Enterprise in her basement.
The 51-year-old social worker decided she wanted to create a home theater, but also to remind herself of her childhood.
The answer? A suite of rooms in her basement including the Enterprise’s bridge, transporter room, recreation room, observation deck and Spock’s quarters.
Rainville told CNET that she was nine years old when she began watching Star Trek in French with her father every week.
‘I became addicted to this show and during the week, and I looked forward to each Tuesday at seven for another episode.
‘I enjoyed Star Trek because it was about space, unknown worlds, and aliens who often ended up being more friendly than expected. I enjoyed learning about Vulcans and seeing the interactions between the characters,’ she said.
Rainville spent more than a year perfecting her Star Trek suite, ensuring that her rooms came as close to the original as possible.
Logical.
Star Trek in French
I don’t think that’s the link you intended.
That said, Star Trek in Turkish.
it was a joke.
But then I found this
The Last 10 Seconds of Every Episode of the First Season of Star Trek: TNG
They really emphasized Troi’s boobs in season 1.
Star Trek: The Sexed Generation
That’s a “whoosh” for me, but I plead illness.
If the basement was unfinished 30k is a bit high but not unreasonable.
She needs to get together with this guy.
Awful engagement fotos
Yo, no way man. Really?
http://www.BeinAnon.tk