Recess Appointments Are Awful When the Other Guy Does Them!
The New Yorker's Jeffrey Toobin is aghast that the Supreme Court might rule against President Obama's use of recess-appointments-in-name-only. The court is hearing National Labor Relations Board v. Canning. At issue is whether a president can appoint people to federal agencies absent constitutionally mandated Senate confirmation. As it stands, the president can make appointment if the Senate is in recess and the position needs to be filled.
Back in the days of horses and buggies, the Senate often wasn't around in D.C. However, after getting pissed at George W. Bush's heavy use of recess appointments, Democrats in 2007 came up with a pretty ingenious way of blocking them by technically always staying in session.
As Reason's Damon Root explains:
A member would gavel the Senate into pro forma session every few days in order to prevent it from going into recess over the holidays, thereby denying the president the legal ability to make any more recess appointments. It did the trick. As [New York] Times reporter Charlie Savage put it, "Senate Democrats repeated the move during breaks for the rest of Mr. Bush's presidency, and Mr. Bush did not try to make any further recess appointments."
As it happens, in January 2012, President Obama made four recess appointments, including three to the NLRB, despite the fact that the Senate was technically in session. Hence the court case, which the Obama administration lost at lower levels, now in front of the Supreme Court.
Toobin's take on the matter?
Since Obama became President, Republicans in the Senate have engaged in unprecedented obstruction of his nominees to these agencies. Worse, Republicans have been able to thwart the President even though they have been in the minority. Filibusters (once extraordinary measures) have become routine in the contemporary Senate, so as few as forty senators can prevent any nominee from coming up for a vote.
You got that? Because Republicans are using a tool first developed and wielded by Democrats, they are engaging in "flagrant obstruction" and keeping the president from exercising "basic responsibilities."
Yeah, or maybe they are trying to influence the types of people who get appointed to federal agencies. Isn't that the way the advise and consent function is supposed to work? The Senate is a place that allows political minorities to exert influence in a way that is absent in the House.
I'm no Republican partisan but it never ceases to amaze me that whenever GOP members "demand" something, they are inevtiably seen as unyielding, rigid, harshly ideological, you name it. But when President Obama or the Democrats explicitly refuse to negotiate or moderate their positions, that's always only because they're forced into such a position by the other side.
Even in the current shutdown, this has been the case. The 2012 elections, don't you see, were a referendum on Obamacare, so when the president said he shouldn't have to negotiate anything with the House, the media totally backed him up on that. Despite the fact that the 2012 elections also returned a Republican majority to the House. Not a single GOP House member had voted for or voiced support for Obamacare. Why wasn't that part of the message of the 2012 elections?
There is quite possibly no bigger bunch of self-righteous windbags than U.S. senators. Consider the hullabaloo earlier this year when Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) floated the idea of changing Senate rules to limit, among other things, the extent of filibusters. This was something that he totally was within his right to do. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) raised holy hell and talked about the shredding of the Constitution, which was handed down to Moses on Mt. Fuji on clay tablets or something. As Slate's Dave Weigel helpfully pointed out at the time, McConnell and Reid had enacted exactly the same dance in 2005. Except that the roles were reversed.
So it is with the blocking (or support of) recess appointments. If your guy is doing it (or blocking them), then it's great. If your guy is getting screwed, then it's the worst goddamn thing in the world.
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As [New York] Times reporter Charlie Savage put it, "Senate Democrats repeated the move during breaks for the rest of Mr. Bush's presidency, and Mr. Bush did not try to make any further recess appointments."
So basically Bush had much more respect for separation of powers than Obama did.
Yes, he did. It is amazing to me how willing the Dems in Congress have been to take it up the ass from Obama. Dems of previous generations would have never done that even for a Dem President. The current generation really has no self respect.
I think politics - especially the zeitgeist currently in vogue - drives out people with self respect.
The disutility of being trashed, having your personal life trashed, having enemies trying to destroy you and the people you care about financially or socially, the evil things you must countenance etc. are so high that few decent people have the drive to get into the mud-pit.
So you get scum - people who have no moral compass, who don't care, who like causing suffering etc. dominating the political culture.
And these people don't care about the system working properly, or outcomes beneficial to society as a whole. Rather they are concerned primarily of what loot/power/stuff they lust after they can get.
At this point, allowing Obama to shit on them, and thanking him and asking him for more, is working for them very well.
It would be very interesting to watch the change in behavior if shudder Biden were to be the next president.
And these people don't care about the system working properly, or outcomes beneficial to society as a whole. Rather they are concerned primarily of what loot/power/stuff they lust after they can get.
It's called "process." Outcomes doesn't matter. Only that you get a little power by participating in the "process."
That is the thing. In previous generations they cared about the institution. They considered keeping Congress' prerogatives more important than the success or failure of any individual President. Now, they don't care.
The crazy thing is that their power such as it is comes from being in Congress. You would think that would cause them to care about the institution. But they don't. They would rather be toadies to a President of their party than risk losing the White House but keeping their independence and power.
Every politician is really Walter White?
Except that Walter White was actually manufacturing a product that people could buy (or not) voluntarily.
So I would say that every politician is worse than Walter White.
I don't get the thought process where one believes Biden is the worst option. Obama is the worst in terms of executive competence that we have ever had. Biden would have been a Democratic Bush with his public foils, and that is actually a step up from the pure asshole on display where Supreme Court justices get called out in the middle of a State of the Union address. But in the backrooms he is very good at getting deals accomplished. I believe Obama picked him to neuter a Senate moderate who would been a potential thorn in his side on the heavy hand he planned to lead with from the start.
I think you misunderstand me: what I meant was that I expect that Biden isn't going to get the pass that Barack Lightworker Whiteguiltassuager Murderdroner Obama got. The shudder is at expressing a desire to see Biden in charge of anything because he really is that stupid.
Obama has no respect for separation of powers. None at all.
The difference is that Bush was a president who abused his powers but mostly operated within modern views of constitutional limits (which, of course, virtually none of us share, but that's another issue).
Obama is a tyrant. I mean that in the old Greek sense--a ruler whose authority lacked the sanction of law or custom. He's done things over and over again that are outside not only our general viewpoint of constitutional limits but even the modern viewpoint. He's usurping power, and people are letting him. Yes, he's building on the bad works of his predecessors, but he's the one taking the steps that can only lead to the final death of even the illusion of limited government in the U.S.
Exactly. Bush got Congressional authorization for his military action and anti-terrorism programs, and then simply used the broad powers they granted and an expansive view of executive power to carry them out.
With Obama, the recess appointments, unilateral wars, and selective enforcing of laws like he's done with Obamacare is beyond the pale.
he's the one taking the steps that can only lead to the final death of even the illusion of limited government in the U.S.
Well, yeah. It's called a "fundamental transformation." Limited government can't do everything because it's, well, because it's limited. But government should be able to do anything and everything for everyone. That's what he's doing. He's making it better by removing constraints put upon it by old white slave owners.
Those assholes were a lot smarter and a lot wiser than the assholes who now purport to lead us. Could you imagine a constitution drafted by the current morons in office? Holy shit, the thing would spontaneously combust within weeks of signing.
Could you imagine a constitution drafted by the current morons in office?
Yeah. It would look something like this.
An excerpt:
Free shit for everyone!
That's why libertarians have to seize control of the constitutional convention, like our predecessors did back in the 1780s.
If there is another constitutional convention the delegates will be the winners.
the convention can only propose, it's still up to 2/3 of state legislatures to approve.
Not for everyone.
Did you notice that everything is for "workers". Say a bad word about the party or anyone in power and you suddenly lose your job (if you avoid a Siberian prison camp).
Whenever Toobin's name is written, it should always be mentioned that he knocked up the college age daughter of a colleague and then refused to take responsibility for the kid until the woman sued him and the court ordered him to take a paternity test and then ordered him to support the child. He is an awful, immoral person. I don't blame him for knocking the woman up. But to refuse to take a DNA test, when he knew he had been banging her and the child might be his, shows everything you need to know about his character and propensity for integrity and truthfulness.
And he had to stop practicing law because he was caught stealing legal documents in order to write a book on Iran-Contra.
.....and such a promising member of the "Punchable Face" club!
All his photos show him to be a creep. But he is the son of liberals working in the media, went to Columbia Prep and Harvard.
The story of his theft of secret documents so he could publish them for money:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....-for-money All the while he trashes what Snowden did (not for money).
While he's a promising member of the punchable face club, IMHO, he should have his face punched, numerous times for what he has done.
whenever GOP members "demand" something, they are inevtiably seen as unyielding, rigid, harshly ideological, you name it. But when President Obama or the Democrats explicitly refuse to negotiate or moderate their positions, that's always only because they're forced into such a position by the other side
Well, this is caused by the TEAM BLUE ingrained righteousness and belief that they are the most moral, benevolent people on earth who only want to do good and anyone who opposes them is evil. TEAM RED does not do this nearly as much, and so this is why you see a disproportionate amount of total 180 degree flips from TEAM BLUE partisans, and why they can seemingly completely ignore the origins of a technique that TEAM RED is now using. Because none of that matters to them; only that what their TEAM wants is right, and therefore anyone blocking it is evil and obstructionist and NO FAIR DADDY NO FAIR.
Still having daddy, issues, eh?
You know, I have an idea. How about all fifty states secede from the union at once?
The federal government looks good compared to what I would be facing from Sacramento.
You could do worse than Jerry Brown, but, yeah, your legislature is a lunatic asylum.
These people think that there will never be another Republican president. I've heard liberal friends talk that way. They think changing demographics mean a free ride for Democrats in presidential elections for the foreseeable future.
But even if they didn't, both aisles of Congress alternate their opinions of the abuses/tools of democracy depending on shifting executive power. Right now Democrats are comfortable taking power from the legislature and handing it to the White House.
Imagine the reaction if someone like Rand Paul becomes president and he starts to return that power and renounce Obama administration abuses.
You'd have the peanut gallery crowing about how Rand doesn't understand the duties of the '21st century presidency' that Obama boldly carved out and how he's going make America vulnerable.
Actually, I think what you'd see would be a funhouse mirror situation where they start accusing him of operating outside the bounds of law and "unilaterally" making executive decisions and the like. Basically they would accuse him of doing exactly what they have been defending Obama for this whole time.
You know they would do this.
Basically they would accuse him of doing exactly what they have been defending Obama for this whole time.
Exactly like how libertarians are accused of forcing their views on the public, by not mandating or prohibiting behavior.
We're history's greatest monsters, forcing agency and choice on the unsuspecting public.
haven't you heard? choice is confusing
That is totally what they would do. It would be "Dictator Rand Paul tries to unilaterally stop the NSA from doing its job".
They truly have no shame.
"President Rand Paul is endangering America! We're losing prestige among the global community! Economic terrorists! Robber barons! War on the middle class! War on wimminz! National security! Balance between security and civil rights!"
Just when you think the monkeys are out of shit, they have a fresh handful ready to throw.
For any national election, the dems have the political machine to steal up to 3% of the vote. Over that, and the GOP does have the legal infrastructure in most states to screw them back like in the Acorn matter. Any close election is theirs to steal. If this wasn't the case they would not be opposing id laws because their excuses not to have them are bullshit to the max.
Jeffrey Toobin
Stop. Right. There.
Whatever he's for, I'm against it.
Stupid fucking TEAM shill is hypocrit with no principles. Also, scientists shocked to discover that water is wet and the sky is blue.
Legalities aside, the GOP would never allow a confirmation vote to occur.
Leave the system as it is and block all confirmation votes from now on. Let a new President work with no appointees.
Sure. The job gets considerably easier when you shut down the FDA, FCC, ATF, NSA, FBI, CIA, FHA, SSA, Departments of Labor, Housing and Human Services, Education, State, Interior, Justice, Energy, Defense, Commerce, Agriculture, Homeland Security, Transportation, Treasury, and maybe Veterans Affairs.
Once everything is gone, the president can probably do the job blindfolded.
I know Toobin was on CNN for awhile, and I don't recall him being so openly partisan as he is here. Does Toobin wear his political affiliation on his sleeve or does he claim to be "unbiased"?
They always claim to be unbiased - only Faux News and other right-wing 'news' sources are biased.
That's how they know they're right.