Good News! Record Number of Independents Think Govt is Too Powerful!
As noted by Reason 24/7, the best goddamned news-aggregation stream on the deliriously great system of tubes known as the Internet, a record-number of Americans - 60 percent - think the federal govermnent has too much power. That finding from Gallup tops the previous high of 59 percent recorded back in 2010, when the stimulus, Obamacare, TARP, and the legacy of the Bush years still laid upon the land like a rotting carcass.
So how does the record-high 60 percent majority break down along party lines? Here's what Gallup finds:
The divergence between Republicans and Democrats is easy enough to explain. The party out of power always casts a gimlet eye on the party in power (the temporary overlap circa 2003 between Dems and Reps is explained by 9/11 and the bipartisan run-up to the Iraq War). The widening gulf between Dems and Reps presages the rise of the Tea Party and the belated discovery of GOP members of their party's supposed small-government philosophy. That philosophy of course had gone missing during the big-spending Bush years, when the GOP ran the show at the federal level. I would argue also that while Democrats were relatively more critical of the government during the Bush years, they were also getting a huge heaping serving of what they wanted - a large and growing government that spent more and more and regulated more and more - so the gulf between Dems and Reps was relatively small. Never forget: Bush was a big-government disaster.
The most interesting line in the chart above is the one tracking independents, that growing plurality of voters whose skepticism toward government power starts high and only climbs higher over the past decade (from 45 percent thinking the feds had too much power in 2003 to 65 percent thinking that in 2013).
Seriously, who can blame them? In virtually all the parts of our lives in which politics is involved, the feds have a bigger presence than they did a decade ago. From K-12 education (No Child Left Behind) to prescription drugs (Medicare Part D) to financial markets and accounting practices (Dodd-Frank, Sarbanes-Oxley, TARP) to phone calls and emails (ongoing and still-to-be-revealed dragnet surveillance of our daily lives), the federal footprint is at least a couple of sizes bigger and a lot deeper than it used to.
Which isn't to say that freedom is dead or we're living in an open-air prison or that the president is a secret Kenyan socialist ramping up FEMA concentration camps anymore than it proves that John Boehner is one of those Reptilian shapeshifters that Alice Walker-favorite David Icke is always freaking over. In many ways, the march of freedom - of technological, cultural, and in many cases, political workarounds - proceeds apace. Work arrangments (at least for those who have jobs) are more flexible than ever; gays, black, women, and other minorities are more accepted than ever; pot is fully legal in two states; the Internet and other decentralizing and democratizing technologies and trends keep on keepin' on.
And even in these relatively dark days of a government on the brink of a shutdown borne out of incompetence more than ideological differences, of a government takeover of healthcare, of bipartisan support for bombings abroad and a surveillance state at home, there's that gloriously growing sense among independent voters that the federal government has too much power.
As Matt Welch and I stressed in The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong with America, "politics is a lagging indicator" of where America and Americans are headed. And where we're headed is a better world than the one we live in. At least if we can keep the dead-enders of both parties from imposing their command-and-control policies over our economic, cultural, and personal lives.
Independents are growing in record numbers and influence because the two parties that have dominated U.S. politics since before the Civil War are more debased as brands than GM and Chrysler. And independents increasingly believe that the feds wield too much power in our day-to-day lives. That belief - along with a recognition of how much general improvement there has been in the areas of our lives that are beyond politics - is surely grounds for at least cautious optimism about where the country is headed. Why? Because politics is the last part of American life to change and it's only a matter of time before the political class realizes that it will need to do less with less if it wants to stay in office.
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You know who else posted a poll on HyR noting that 60% of Americans thought the government had become too powerful....
Another week, another Pollocalypse.
Pollzkrieg.
Love the team lines crossing in 2008. Wonder what happened to cause that.....
It must have been a seismic shift in the philosophy of the the general population. The Teams are VERY principled you know.
It actually seems to me, though, that the Independent line is much more sympathetic to Republicans than Democrats. The Independents answered "too much" as a majority in 2006 and haven't dipped into minority territory yet.
Yet Barack Obama was re-elected with a majority of the "independent" vote.
Yet another illustration of stated versus revealed preference.
Was he? Or was he re-elected with a majority of the vote-counters?
RCD, can you switch your moniker association to a website rather than an email address?
Email associations are messing up Chrome/Reasonable for some reason.
Sure, sure.
thx
I thought he lost the independent vote last year?
http://news.cincinnati.com/art.....S?gcheck=1
Here is a good example of maybe people are figuring this out. Some prole actually thought he could form a political group to educate people about freedom and citizenship. The IRS thought differently and basically fucked with him until he finally gave up. They didn't want him out there effecting the 2012 election or anything. That would have been racist!!
I would guess that the elections dept. would have more of a beef with him effecting elections.
I'm not going with 60% of the population. Pretty sure the number is close to the non-troll population of H&R.
...and no better differentiated than Plymouth and Dodge used to be.
Ha ha. Good one, Nick.
Great, so they'll all be voting for principled limited-government candidates in '014 right?
But then someone from the Other Team might win /Tulpafied
What principled limited-government candidates?
We all know that Team Red is very loyal to its limited-government principles (except insofar as it's in a position to do anything about them).
Non-votes should count as negative votes for all the running candidates. I don't know how it'll work out after that and I imagine with the majority usually not voting none may actually get the job, but the should be good for starters.
If they count the same for all candidates, then it wouldn't make any difference. Might help write in candidates, I guess.
I would argue also that while Democrats were relatively more critical of the government during the Bush years
On the other hand, 38% of Democrats say govt is too powerful now, versus 35% in 2002. That's kind of interesting.
This poll doesn't mean anything. Americans will continue to enthusiastically vote for TEAM FREE SHIT and TEAM ZOMG TERRISM.
TEAM BE RULED wins all the elections.
missed the AM links - but lats night had yet another weird encounter with a woman from work.
Last year at the conference, it was pretty much no-stop flirting.
This time - along with non-stop sexual innuendos, she asked for my phone #. And then told me that we need to hang out some time. This woman is so cheerleader - much different than the usual punk/freaks I hang out with. But damn, dat ass! *ahem*
That should never stop you.
She's married - but seems to be a total sex freak. Or else likes male attention so much that she has to flirt with everyone in sight. But her attention seemed to be pretty much focused on me - at least last night.
Isn't she the chick you treat like crap who was hinting that you should come to her hotel room at an earlier conference?
Or am I confusing you with someone else?
Ooops. Nevermind.
Run like hell, unless you have a taste for boiled rabbit.
Getting busy with someone who is married rarely ends well. Just sayin.
Getting busy with workmates rarely ends well. Just sayin.
That should NEVER stop you!
yeah, it's one of my "personal work policies" not to play around with co-workers. Yeah, we're in different departments, but it could get messy.
The self-book promotions have gotten out of hand here.
Gotta love that Democrat line.
When Bush is president, the government has too much power, largely due to the Patriot Act.
Once Obama is president, the government no longer has too much power, even though the Patriot Act has not been repealed and the administration has increased its power in all sorts of ways.
Voters are not rational.
Are these the same independents that don't want a government shutdown? I mean the only way to avoid that is to increase government spending.
Did the composititon of "independents" change in the survey from 2011 to 2012? The 11% drop seems odd to otherwise account for.