Maybe He Just Likes Chatting With Cops
This week the Supreme Court diluted the requirement that police inform detained suspects of their rights prior to questioning, ruling that a prisoner who confessed to sexual contact with a 12-year-old boy after "between five and seven hours" of interrogation was not really "in custody" at the time. The case involved Randall Lee Fields, who was in a Michigan jail on a disorderly conduct charge when he was escorted from his cell to a conference room where he was questioned by two armed sheriff's deputies. He was never given the familiar warning about his right to remain silent, etc., required since 1966 by Miranda v. Arizona for suspects taken into custody. The Court, in a majority opinion by Samuel Alito that was joined by five other justices, focused on the fact that the deputies repeatedly told Fields he was free to leave and return to his cell. But as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted in her dissent, the circumstances of the interrogation sent a different message (citations omitted):
Fields, serving time for disorderly conduct, was, of course, "i[n] custody," but not "for purposes of Miranda," the Court concludes. I would not train, as the Court does, on the question whether there can be custody within custody. Instead, I would ask, as Miranda put it, whether Fields was subjected to "incommunicado interrogation …in a police-dominated atmosphere," whether he was placed, against his will, in an inherently stressful situation, and whether his "freedom of action [was] curtailed in any significant way." Those should be the key questions, and to each I would answer "Yes."
As the Court acknowledges, Fields did not invite or consent to the interview. He was removed from his cell in the evening, taken to a conference room in the sheriff's quarters, and questioned by two armed deputies long into the night and early morning. He was not told at the outset that he had the right to decline to speak with the deputies. Shut in with the armed officers, Fields felt "trapped." Although told he could return to his cell if he did not want to cooperate, Fields believed the deputies "would not have allowed [him] to leave the room." And with good reason. More than once, "he told the officers…he did not want to speak with them anymore." He was given water, but not his evening medications. Yet the Court concludes that Fields was in "an interrogation environment in which a reasonable person would have felt free to terminate the interview and leave."
Critical to the Court's judgment is "the undisputed fact that [Fields] was told that he was free to end the questioning and to return to his cell." Never mind the facts suggesting that Fields's submission to the overnight interview was anything but voluntary. Was Fields "held for interrogation"? Brought to, and left alone with, the gun-bearing deputies, he surely was in my judgment.
The conservative rap against Miranda is that it represented policy making rather than constitutional interpretation, imposing on police departments throughout the country a specific safeguard aimed at countering the coercive circumstances that undermine a suspect's Fifth Amendment guarantee against compelled self-incrimination. But in this case the Court is ostensibly applying Miranda, not questioning or limiting it, and it seems clear that the situation Fields faced was very similar to what the Miranda Court had in mind. After all, why would Fields have submitted to seven hours of questioning in the middle of the night, while repeatedly protesting that he did not want to talk anymore, unless he believed he had no choice? As Radley Balko has noted, stressful conditions like these lead even innocent people to confess.
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I refuse to answer any questions and would like to see a lawyer.
I do not consent to any search.
Am I being detained or am I free to leave?
Memorize these lines.
Thank you for the good advice, Citizen
Should fit nicely on a business card.
Wouldn't that likely get the butt end of a baton slammed into your solar plexus?
better than getting your butt end slammed in the pen.
"STOP RESISTING!"
not cooperating == resisting
maybe he coulda cold-cocked one of the offices. that'd clarify the situ real quick.
I once made a statement like this to cops. They next asked: "Why don't you trust me?"
"Because you're a police officer"
I refuse to answer any questions and would like to see a lawyer.
Stop resisting!
a prisoner who...after "between five and seven hours" of interrogation was not really "in custody" at the time
After FIVE TO SEVEN HOURS? Really, Supremes? Fuck you - I hope you're stuck on a runway in a plane sometime for 5-7 hours, and pretend you're at the cop shop (you're not even being interrogated! bonus!) then tell me how "not in custody" that feels.
All the how-many-angels-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin legal mental gymnastics that follow is just more fucking bullshit.
Fuck - yeah, I suppose we could be in Venezuala or Iran...BUT WE'RE NOT. Yet, anyway...
Yeah, but the two intimidating alpha males with guns standing between him and the door told him he could go past them and leave the room at any time.
How could that possibly be construed to being in custody?
Yeah, I suppose you're right...
"told him he could go past them and leave the room at any time"
Did they? They wrote in the affidavit that they did, so they must have. What recording?
Kinda like how it's standard procedure to calibrate the radar write on the ticket that the radar was calibrated.
Judges then assume that the cop is telling the truth because they are in a position of public trust.
That means that they cannot tell a lie.
This is fucked. How can anyone argue that someone who is in jail is not in custody? I have been lucky enough to avoid ever even being arrested, but the impression that I get is that when you are in jail/prison, you don't get the impression that the men with guns give a fuck about what you want to be doing.
The cleaning people are "in jail" but are not in custody....
/smartass
I've been wondering how cleaning and maintenance works in those no contact prisons.
The cleaning people are "in the jail" and not in custody.
FTFY, Joe.
I think the justices could use a little time trapped in a room with threatening men with guns who really, really want you to tell them what they want to hear. Maybe then they'd cease being such assholes.
They could use a little time in the real world. They are all from the NE> They went to the same schools. And all, with the exception of Ginsburg and Thomas, worked pretty much the same jobs. They have no idea how reality actually works for normal people.
What was it somebody said about O'Connor and her balancing test for public displays? Some city manager in Podunk just needs to know how to avoid getting sued, and he didn't graduate Stanford Law at the top of the class.
The Supremes forget about the rest of us.
Yup. And that applies to lawyers too. Some lawyer in Podunk needs to know how to defend his client. And even if he did go to Stanford, there is no guarantee the judge did or even if he did will agree with his interpretation. The almost complete lack of real world experience on the court is a serious problem.
im gonna re-post these posts if SCOTUS strikes obama's health insurance regs.
orrin, you would be foolish if you did. The point here is that the Supreme Court is so overly intellectual on constitutional issues that it forgets that it needs to promulgate understandable and easy-to-follow common law. Setting aside that Obamacare is neither, the Supremes being very intellectual about con law on that subject is their raison-d'etere.
Why do you so quickly return to Moronville, Urine?
You're disappointing.
Orin sometimes isn't too bad. He is like a less bitchy Tony. And then he reverts to form.
On Twitter yesterday, Riggs linked to an article on the disconnect between the Ivy League schools and the rest of the world. While a lot of it is deserving of mockery, I suspect there is some truth mixed in there. (I've been out of the loop the past few days, so maybe it's already been posted. It's worth a read.)
To me the classic example is Scalia's crack about how the police professionalism will prevent abuse. Anyone who has ever dealt with police and knows how the sausage of criminal justice is made laughed out loud at that. But I bet Scalia has never known a real cop. Or been anywhere near an actual criminal trial court. He doesn't know any better. And worse, he doesn't have any idea how ignorant he actually is. He thinks he is the best and the brightest.
These Judges know how to deal with a memorandum on a piece of paper. They do not know how to deal with a human being who has been tricked by cops.
I had a feeling this case wasn't quite the way the article framed it. Dig a little and you'll find out the guy is not a "detained suspect" but in prison. You can still argue/disagree with the ruling but let's be honest about it. The guy was already in prison, I assume he was aware of his rights.
Yes, you'll have to dig all the way to the very first line of the block quote, which describes Fields as "serving time for disorderly conduct."
you'll have to dig all the way to the very first line of the block quote
That's far more reading than I'm ever willing to commit before posting a comment. C'mon nicole.
Really? Because you only have to read me my rights once, whenever, and if time has passed I have to remember everything and the state has no burden?
Fuck that. They pulled him in for questioning for FIVE TO SEVEN HOURS, they should read him his rights - I don't give a fuck if they pulled him out of solitary or off death row.
Now, let's all stipulate that a con - who's in the clink at the time - who's fucking stupid enough to cop to something without consulting a lawyer is not the brightest bulb in the pack, so maybe there's REASON he's in jail already, but...still....
For disorderly conduct? Isn't that, like, being insufficiently respectful to a police officer?
For disorderly conduct? Isn't that, like, being insufficiently respectful to a police officer?
I'd like to continue my ever continuing public service of pointing out that all the conservative justices, including good old Clarence "Most Libertarian Justice" Thomas voted with the cops here, while 3 of the evil Democratic appointees voted the other way.
godless commie traitors, all 3.
6 statist justices voted for gutting Miranda, including the least statist.
3 statist justices voted against.
Tallest midget, etc.
Yes, all Supreme Court Justices seem to be capable of absolutely awful decisions.
It should be no suprise to anyone that government judges are biased toward government cops.
I'd like to continue my ever continuing public service of pointing out that all the conservative justices, including good old Clarence "Most Libertarian Justice" Thomas voted with the cops here, while 3 of the evil Democratic appointees voted the other way.
I will readily stipulate that the modern liberal statist fucks on SCOTUS sometimes vote the right way, and that the conservative statist fucks on SCOTUS sometimes vote the right way, and that even the best / least worst of the lot, Thomas, still acts like a statist fuck a lot, like in this case.
Still not voting for Obama (or any R except Ron Paul). His picks overall have been terrible, with some rare exceptions.
We should definitely stop using the term "civilians".
"Peasants" is more accurate.
If you're not in the military, you're a civilian. One of my pet peeves, that cops somehow aren't civilians.
I prefer the term "citizens", although it is equally risible in its own way.
How about "people"? I think cops should be obliged to treat non-citizens just as well as citizens. There shouldn't be any special word to distinguish police from everyone else beyond calling the police "officer" or "pig" or something like that.
The police are more and more becoming a military occupying force.
Villeins seems to fit better.
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....ael-auslin
A class of serfs who hold the legal status of freemen except in dealings with their lord.
Well, we know who thinks they are are lords.
Also this week Clarence "The Most Libertarian Justice" Thomas joined with the other conservatives in one of their favorite past-times: reading qualified immunity for cops and prosecutors broadly. Of course of the evil Democratic appointees, three dissented from that broad ruling.
See, it's really important to get GOP appointees, because, you know, Kylo or something!
http://www.supremecourt.gov/op.....10-704.pdf
Interestingly, the liberal who voted for the majority was Kegan. Sotomayor has been a bit of a pleasant surprise. She hasn't been nearly as bad as I thought she would be. But Kegan has been worse.
So if you are going to give Obama credit for Sotomayor, you have to take a lot of that back for Kagen, who was both unqualified for the job and has turned out to be a horrible justice.
Kagan concurred in part and dissented in part John, she argued for a much less broad rule than the conservative justices.
But Kagan has not been nearly as bad as the conservative appointees re: cop and prosecutor cases.
"Both the Court and the dissent view this case as an all-or-nothing affair: The Court awards immunity acrossthe board to Messerschmidt and his colleagues, while the dissent would grant them none at all. I think the right answer lies in between, although the Court makes themore far-reaching error."
From Kagans opinion
Where is Kagan's Opinion. The opinion linked contains a majority written by Alito and joined by five other justices, including Kegan, and a dissent writer by Ginsburg joined by Suiter and Sotomayor. There is no indication whatsoever that Kagen concurred much less wrote a separate opinion.
John, are you drunk already? The case in the link in the post you replied to dude, for the second time.
"ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, BREYER, and ALITO, JJ., joined. BREYER, J., filed a concurring opinion. KAGAN, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part. SOTOMAYOR, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which GINSBURG, J., joined."
Different case you idiot. I am talking about the one that is the subject of the thread.
In this case, you know the one you don't like and want to change the subject from, Kagen voted with Alito.
I forget sometimes how dishonest you are. I didn't click your link because you were talking about this case. No, you were trying to change the subject to avoid an embarrassing fact in hope you could clog the thread enough that people might not notice. My bad.
"Different case you idiot. I am talking about the one that is the subject of the thread."
And yet you were responding to my post with a link to the case I'm talking about...
while the dissent would grant them none at all. I think the right answer lies in between, although the Court makes themore far-reaching error."
LOL. So she would just give them some immunity. Note, she didn't dissent. And that is not the case we are talking about. That is a sorry effort even by your standards.
My God you are a pathetic hack.
So let me get this straight: the five conservative justices who would give broader immunity deserve no scorn from you, but the liberal justice who would give less does.
And you call me the hack?
whadya expect from a (future) romney voter?
It's coming O, it's coming.
Sure they deserve scorn. But so does Kegan. And as I said below, the conservative justices at least get some things right. What does Kegan get right?
I broadly agree with you. Sotomayor has been a little bulldog-ish on civil liberties, which is completely the opposite of how I had her pegged beforehand.
Kagan is a statist in the worst way.
Jim Sotomayor has not been bad. I think it goes back to her being a judge. She seems to get it a little bit. But Kegan has been terrible.
You're probably right about the root cause. Having been a regular judge, she's had normal people with normal problems come through her court, and so even if she's wrong, she at least has some inkling of what it's like in the real world on a day-to-day basis.
Kegan has no such grounding, and I expect only the worst from her going forward.
John: It's KAGAN. If you're going to mispell it, at least don't do it the same way every time.
Where did you find that? I am finding this
Alito, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Roberts, C. J., and Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, and Kagan, JJ., joined. Ginsburg, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part, in which Breyer and Sotomayor, JJ., joined.
If she concurred that is not what the opinion linked says. Where is her concurring opinion? It is not at the link.
In the qualified immunity case that I linked to in the post you replied to, you're thinking of the miranda case referenced in the main article.
But I know, it's hard to keep up with all the cases where the conservative justices fellate the cops.
WTF does that have to do with anything? Kagen was facilitating here wasn't she?
Jesus fucking Christ can you ever not change the subject when you don't like it?
How in the world you can think the person who concurred in part and dissented in part is more bad than the majority is beyond even your logic John...
What she did in some other case. We are not talking about that case. Here she joined with the majority.
Stop changing the subject. Yes, it is embarrassing to your world view that Obama appointed a justice who voted with the conservatives on this case. But it happened. Deal with it.
Here she did bad, but no worse than EVERY GOP APPOINTEE ON THE COURT John.
Yet it is she you single out.
Is that a hacking cough I hear?
I single her out because one of the advantages of getting liberals on the court is they are supposed to be better on civil liberties than the conservatives. Apparently not.
And the conservatives are better on some issues, like affirmative action and free speech than the liberals. So what exactly is Kegan's purpose on the court other than to affirm whatever the government does?
"And the conservatives are better on some issues, like affirmative action and free speech than the liberals."
Weren't you the guy complaining about changing the subject?
"because one of the advantages of getting liberals on the court is they are supposed to be better on civil liberties than the conservatives. Apparently not."
And the fact that ALL the other liberals voted the better way while ALL of the conservatives voted the worse way is indicative of....what to you? That Kagan sucks?
WTF? Did you just get home from a bad Santorum rally or something?
And the fact that ALL the other liberals voted the better way while ALL of the conservatives voted the worse way is indicative of....what to you? That Kagan sucks?
But they didn't. Kegan voted with the Conservatives here, you know in the case you don't want to talk about. And even in the case you do want to talk about, she still supported some immunity and broke with the other liberals.
Yeah, Kegan is horrible.
A libertarian would be a better judge than either a liberal or a coservative. The best judge would be a bomb-throwing anarchist like me.
So again, let's look at actual numbers.
In all three cops cases I cite here, ALL, as in FIVE of the conservative justices run and sit in the lap of the cops. In every one no more than ONE liberal judge joins them, and in some cases they write seperately to note a less cop-friendly stance, and it is Kagan that you hate?
How is that not hackish? What neutral, non-hack principle singles out the lesser of evils like that while ignoring the lockstep evil justices?
The fact that Kegan only sometimes votes with the cops, and is totally wrong about most everything else doesn't make her a good justice. She gets singled out because again, she is supposed to be better than the conservatives. At least with the conservatives I get to keep my free speech rights. With Kegan, I lose those, and I get a justice who sides with the cops as an added bonus.
Kegan has been a terrible appointment. Sotomayor and Suiter and Ginsburg at least brings something positive to the table. Kegan doesn't. She gets singled out because she is by far and away the worst liberal justice on the court. And probably the worst justice period because she seems to combine the worst of both sides.
Is Kagan as bad as Alito?
I think every GOP candidate other than Paul is on record as "appointing more justices like Roberts and Alito."
"Is Kagan as bad as Alito?"
She is much worse. Alito is wrong here. But so was Kegan. But Alito was right in Citzens United and Heller and McDonald. What has Kegan been right about?
Again, she seems to combine the worst of both sides.
MNG changes the subject? That's quite a...NEWS FLASH!
How is it a change in subject? The thread is about SCOTUS undermining the rights of the accused and siding with the cops, I noted another example of that.
It's John, your fellow traveller, who changes the subject to affirmative action.
"John|2.24.12 @ 2:21PM|#
What she did in some other case."
Er, yeah, when judging the relative awfulness of justices in an area we might want to, I dunno, look at their record in the entire area...
a majority opinion by Samuel Alito
Try again-
a majority opinion by Samuel Alito
Fuck you, Alito, you degenerate scumbag.
What do you expect from Strip Search Sammy?
Knowing about that ruling was all you needed to predict his feelings on this case.
Of course the conservative justices, joined by Clarence "the Most Libertarian Justice" Thomas and opposed by all four liberal justices this time, had pretty much worked over Miranda rights two sessions ago...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berghuis_v._Thompkins
wiki's lying garbage promoted by lying lier libs
No one with a criminal procedure casebook issue since he was appointed could call Thomas "the most libertarian" anything.
Its funny, really, watching MNG continue to labor under the misconception that most libertarians think the court is divided into "conservative" and "liberal" wings with significantly different views on the Constiution.
You're just projecting your own partisan obsessions, MNG. To us, there are 9 statist Justices, who occasionally vary from each other on the margins on the minutiae of the degree to which the residents of the United States are the property of its government.
Sort of like "who is more attractive: Rosie O'Donnell or Roseanne Barr?" Neither one is "attractive", but one can be "more attractive" relative to someone else without being called "attractive".
Sub-in "libertarian" and "Supreme Court Justices" where appropriate.
A liberal voted for the cops here RC. Lets talk about another case and pretend this one didn't happen.
And yeah, they are all bad in their own ways. The Conservatives love the cops too much and the liberals seem to hate individual rights when it keeps the government from getting its pony. Kegan seems to combine the worst instincts of both.
"Lets talk about another case and pretend this one didn't happen."
No, my first post was entirely about how ONE liberal voted that way, and ALL conservatives did. Then I offered another case of the same thing.
And another.
And...
It's John that wants to change the subject: away from the fact that the conservative justices are reliable tools for the police and embracers of qualified immunity. Instead he wants to talk about the one liberal that voted wrong.
Yes MNG. I would like to talk about that because we are not talking about qualified immunity. We are talking about Miranda. And in Miranda, Kegan is just as awful as Alito.
Would you admit that on Miranda the conservatives as a whole have been worse than the liberals as a whole?
Yeah, that is the point I have been making for 20 minutes, you nitwit. That is also why Kegan is so horrible. The conservatives are better on some things worse on others. The liberals, sans Kegan, seem to get the criminal law cases right.
I still think it's strange to hate on the one liberal that has it wrong (and I agree she's wrong) when every conservative does, but I see your point and apologize for missing it.
It is not just that she is bad on these cases. It is that she seems to be bad on all cases. As I said, the worst of both sides. It is not that I have it out for the liberals. I will freely admit that Sotomayor is turning into a decent justice. I was wrong in my assessment of her.
I will freely admit that Sotomayor is turning into a decent justice. I was wrong in my assessment of her.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition Latina Wisdomition.
Stop. Say no more.
This is prison level butthurt here I tells ya.
So Thomas isn't frequently referred to here as the most libertarian justice?
He probably is. But that says more about the other justices than it does about Thomas. There are more civil liberties issues than just ones associated with criminal law.
The most libertarian justice, who is a reliable vote for broad qualified immunity.
That's like saying the most Catholic justice, with his three wives.
Gun rights, political expression and so forth are also libertarian issues. There is more to life than criminal law.
And maybe you missed it, but none of them are libertarian. Now it is degrees of not bad.
Those issues are nice and all, but the individual faces the government at it's most stark place when law enforcement comes to them. If you bail there, you can't be called even "most libertarian" in comparison.
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Well said.
This ruling just adds more formalization to the defacto "precedent" that police operate by anyway. The standards for interrogations as evidence are fucking disgusting.
So, John, lets just do this.
Let's say Kagan is terrible here. So Obama has appointed one justice terrible in this area, one that you say has been good.
What's the GOP record? All bad.
To explain it to you more slowly, the conservative justices gave us citizens united and Heller. Those are big things. They also have consistently voted against affirmative action. Those are other good things.
As I said above. It is a mixed bag. Each side has their blind spots. And Kegan is the worst because she seems to share both side's blind spots.
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I think when you embrace the broadest readings of qualified immunity you can no longer consider yourself even in the least an opponent of government and defender of the citizen when in conflict with it.
Am I free to Gambol, Officer MNG?
No. the other liberals embraced no immunity. That is the better position. And the one I would hope all liberals would take. And conservatives for that matter.
John, what do you think about the genocide of the First People's of this continent?
Well said, I agree with you here.
In that spirit, the liberals suck on affirmative action and the conservatives are usually better. I hope this bears out in this upcoming case...
I am not ripping on liberals. I am ripping on Kegan. I agree with you that the court liberals are much better on these police cases than the conservatives. Scalia and Alito drive me nuts. They have never seen a cop they won't believe or support.
John -- just fucking stipulate to the obvious -- on this particular case, all of the allegedly conservative judges were bad, along with one of the liberal judges.
Quit arguing with MNG when he is right.
Now, should he try to bootstrap this decision as a reason to vote for Obama, then bust out the scorn.
Shorter -- on some issues, modern liberals are better than modern conservatives. It does no good to pretend one's political opponents are invariably evil and wrong when they aren't -- you just get your ass handed to you in that argument.
Oh, it's so good to see MuNg and John back together again! You two lovebirds....
*sigh*
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Gambol Gambol Gambol...
Gamboling across the forest. And the plain.
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Across forest and across plain...John says nothing about the genocide of the First Peoples by the AGRICULTURAL CITY-STATE
The police is the only thing that will stand between us (the wealthy) and the little liberals that want to demand rights and good treatment and the libertarians that wanna smoke pot. We have to chose. The police that serves us, or the liberals that want to tax us to death and want us to make less money.
Remember to vote republican so that us upper-middle class pay less taxes and have less regulations so that we can run our businesses without people pestering us about labor laws, phony environmental issues, etc.
We need to give the Police as much freedom as possible. We need to pay them a lot of money. We need to make sure that the Police live near us (we'll need the protection). No need to guarantee that the police's children will be taken care of as most of them are pretty dumb and lack fore-site.
Am I free to GAMBOL, officer?
Is John free to GAMBOL GAMBOL GAMBOL?
Is that you Gov. Walker?
Walker is a proponent of the GENOCIDAL agricultural CITY-STATE
I was getting at Walker's exemption for cops in his law. You know, it would surpise some here, but I came out at start of all that condemning the unions. They had to take cuts imo. And while I would rather see collective bargaining preserved but with tougher negotiating, taking it away is not some fundamental issue for me. But when he exempted cops I knew he was just full of political bullshit.
MiNGe-
Walker exempted cops and fire fighters- and got his law enacted without challenge (Walker will win the recall vote). Kasich didn't- and the cops/firefighters unions spent heavily to overturn SB5.
Which was the better approach?.
Hurray
To us, there are 9 statist Justices, who occasionally vary from each other on the margins on the minutiae of the degree to which the residents of the United States are the property of its government.
No kidding.
As if a freedom-granting "libertarian" justice would ever make it past the gatekeepers in the Senate.
I think Doug Ginsberg would have been close. But fucking John Sununu killed his nomination because he smoked dope with his law school class. And Sununu assured the whole world that Suiter wasn't a liberal.
Kicking that rat bastard in the nuts is on my bucket list.
John supports genocide of the agricultural city-state and has never seen a war engaged by the West that he didn't love.
Officer, am I free to gambol now, across forest and plain?
At least we didn't get Bork on the Court.
Interrogation: We have all we need to know to charge you. You can cooperate now or you can spend all week in jail.
Affidavit: The suspect was informed that he is free to leave at any time.
True story.
Wasn't he read his Miranda rights when he was arrested for disorderly conduct? Are you telling me that the cops have to read you your rights before every interrogation during your time in custody?
Personally I think Miranda was poorly decided, but it's probably a good thing (even if not imho constitutionally required) to make sure defendants are exposed to this information before going into custody. But every time they're interrogated is overdoing it.
I would say if they are going to interrogate you about a crime completely unrelated to why you are in jail in the first place, then yes, they do. Furthermore, just because you have the stupid fucker in custody on some other charges shouldn't mean you just ignore his 5A and interrogate him for hours.
he was free to leave and return to his cell
If he can only go to a cell, then he isn't free.