Does My Alleged Disaffinity With OWS Help Explain a Fusionism I've Never Believed in?, and Other Pressing Questions From the Would-Be Hippie/Tea Party Divide
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iberal big-thinker Will Wilkinson has a piece up at Big Think that detects within alleged libertarian disaffection for the Occupy Wall Street movement "the psychological linchpin" of conservative-libertarian "fusionism." He uses me as a prime example, so I wanted to respond below the excerpt:
[H]aving lived most of my adult life among them, experience tells me that when it comes to the explanation of poverty and wealth libertarians are close cousins to conservatives. It's my view that this shared sense of robust agency and individual responsibility for success and failure is the psychological linchpin of "fusionism"--that this commonality in disposition has made the long-time alliance between conservatives and libertarians possible, despite the fact that libertarians are almost identical to liberals in their unconcern for the conservative binding foundations. That's why controversial "social issues" like abortion and gay marriage are generally pushed to the side when libertarians and conservatives get together. As long as they stick to complaining about handouts for poor people sitting on their asses and praising rich people working hard to make civilization possible, libertarians and conservatives get along fine.
The critical response of Reason editor-in-chief Matt Welch to Salon's "New Declaration of Independence" is nicely illustrative of the libertarian's conservative-like attachment to individual responsibility. And this, I think, helps explain why self-described libertarians are more likely to identify with the Tea Party movement, which was launched by Rick Santelli's indignant rant about subsidizing "losers'" mortgages, than with the Occupy Wall Street movement, which is founded on something like the assumption that individuals are caught in a web of socio-economic forces upon which only the collective action of organized class interests have any influence. […]
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
I cannot speak for Wilkinson's gut, but I do have some working knowledge of the space between my (formerly hippie) ears, so let me complicate Free Will's narrative.
First and more generally, I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War, and as such has been on the wane for two decades now. As Nick Gillespie and I wrote in our magazine adaptation from The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong with America,
67 percent of libertarians [in a recent Pew survey] self-identify as independents, compared to 28 percent as Republicans and 5 percent as Democrats. "A growing number of Americans are choosing not to identify with either political party, and the center of the political spectrum is increasingly diverse," Pew concluded. "Rather than being moderate, many of these independents hold extremely strong ideological positions on issues such as the role of government, immigration, the environment and social issues. But they combine these views in ways that defy liberal or conservative orthodoxy."
Pew's findings track with what the Cato Institute found in its 2010 study titled "The Libertarian Vote in the Age of Obama," which, using American National Election Series data, estimated the bloc of "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" voters at 14 percent (while noting other methodologies that put the number as high as 59 percent). Authors David Boaz and David Kirby found that libertarians are detaching themselves from the GOP and becoming more of a swing vote. Their margin for Senate Republicans over Democrats dropped from 59 percentage points in 2002 to just 4 points in 2006, for example, then jumped back to 49 points in 2008. Boaz and Kirby also cite the work of UCLA's Sylvia Friedel, who found that libertarians voted Republican for president 69 percent of the time from 1972 to 1988, but just 46 percent of the time since the end of the Cold War. Young libertarians in particular skew independent, and (unlike older libertarians) preferred Obama to John McCain by a wide margin.
It's only anecdotal, but our experience these past six months talking to Students For Liberty-type kids mirrors the data from Ron Paul supporters from 2008: Only 38 percent of them voted for eventual GOP nominee John McCain, and you are way more likely to get a question about Ending the Fed than one suggesting that the GOP is more receptive to libertarian ideas.
But here's the thing that non-Republican, gay-marrying, pro-immigration, pro-choice, anti-empire potheads like me (and Will) need to grapple with if we insist on talking about the relationship between ourselves and various large political blocs: The GOP has been more receptive to libertarian ideas these past couple of years. Yes, it's still not much, and a lot of it is just the skin-deep opportunism of being in opposition, but I think honesty compels the observation that among the governing classes, if you find an economic libertarian he/she is more likely to be a social con than a RINO (or DINO). The Gary Johnson crossover dream is still just that. Which makes me no more likely to join Team Red, but it does suggest that certain libertarianish traditions within the broader right have staying power, at a time when the libertianish tendencies on the broader left seem to be receiving little or no expression in the governance by Team Blue. That I wished things were different doesn't change the basic facts.
As for my own psychological linchpins, they have never had anything to do with "complaining about handouts for poor people sitting on their asses and praising rich people working hard to make civilization possible." I have always been more angry at corporate welfare than food stamps, and as a libertarian squish who edits a magazine that should be euthanized for liberty, I see policy solutions like free trade, backpack school funding and drug legalization as being preferable precisely because they disproportionally help the less fortunate.
And on the underlying point of why and even whether "self-described libertarians are more likely to identify with the Tea Party movement," two final points: 1) I for one (as the main example cited) probably "identify" more with OWS, if for no other reason that I have more longtime friends who are chilling with the 99 percenters rather than drinking the tea. I've lived in pretty aggresively blue-state situations for almost all of my adult life, and have some ancient affinities with the Old New Left. But also, 2) I prefer cutting government to expanding it. That leaves me in a position of hoping to talk Tea Partiers into cutting all of government (including the military and prison-industrial complex), and hoping to persuade OWS types into rejecting all bailouts and embracing non-crony capitalism. In other words, politically homeless as usual, and not too hung up about it.
I guess what I don't understand, whether it's coming from Will Wilkinson or my OWS friends, is why this almost needy sense to get everyone on the record with a 100 percent Yay or Nay, let alone ascribe alleged motives to the alleged affinity or dislike? Since when are hippies (let alone the tricorne hat crowd) above a little needling? Can't you people satisfy your team membership (and opposition) requirements through the time-honored system of following meaningless sports? Leaderless, spontaneous political movements are complicated things, as are the individuals who respond to them. Like I said after attending my first Tea Party event, "Political rallies are no place to seek the subtle truth, nor feel particularly glowing about your countrymen"; the observation holds for Occupy D.C. as well.
I don't begrudge Wilkinson's enthusiasm for Occupy Wall Street–"[W]hy not get together with thousands of like-minded folks, scream about it, screw up traffic, get arrested, whip one another into a frenzy of self-righteous indignation, spit on some people, provoke the jackboots, and maybe even wreck some stuff? Why is that not a good idea?"–nor do I resent his dislike of the Tea Party ("What's a little populist paranoia, casual racism and hyperventilating rhetoric about the holy Founding Document?"). But I'm not sure we require psychological linchpins to explain the disparity.
Bonus for those who've made it this far: Me and Will on Bloggingheads talking about John McCain. Oh, how I miss those glasses.
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"Then I read Atlas Shrugged. I began reading the libertarian canon..." ~Will Wilkinson *
Would Will deny that objectivism is a sect of the religio-economic dogma of libertarianism?
Canon? Canon!
Praise HayZeus, and thump the Rothbard!
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* source:
Anatomy of a Libertard: Will Wilkinson And the Koch-Funded Nomenklatura
By Mark Ames | October 3, 2010
http://exiledonline.com/anatomy-of-a-libertard/
And being publicly SLUT SHAMED.
Nice going, Fundamentalists.
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Abandon all hope. Beyond here, there be trolls
It's a sickness. Get help.
Seriously, dear reader. Do not read any further. I made it through the next hundred posts. I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a soup spoon. For your own sanity, do not continue reading this thread. You have been warned.
I'm serious.
Sometimes I think that the best libertarian answer to this sort of libtard (yes, liberals are libtards, dumbass. We're libertards) is simply "I don't fucking like you. Half the reason I don't like taxes is because they go to what people like you want. I do not want you to have any say over my money or my life"
How bad can it be? I'm going to read it; what can go wrong?
Well, if masochism is your thing, we can't stop you. Alas, we can still pity you.
If Matt wrote a book, this would be a great time to mention it.
Click here to skip the bullshit troll argument and get to the actual discussion.
Well, I just took a big dump on your stupid plan fuckboy.
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
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Robert|11.4.11 @ 11:12PM|#
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War,
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type.
Holy fucking Satan, Rather. I predict eugenics will shortly be in vogue again, thanks entirely to your perfect examples of complete mental debasement. You are the Josef Mengele of internet trolling, inflicting as much senseless pain as possible every time you submit your repulsive flatulence on this blog. Calling you dumber than a bag of sticks would still be insulting to the bag of sticks to be in your proximity.
Cool story.
Remember that if you feel the urge, grab a number 2 jar and lid, let loose and cap that sucker off. Now you have an instant source of energy, a huff for later or whatver you have a need for. Fart in a jar - energy on demand.
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
You are too generous in your wording.
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
Monster thread!
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
teame?
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
That is functionally what was said.
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Come now, this is stupid.
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
is the second statement.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
And I explained why you were wrong.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
You did do that
Again, you argue in bad faith.
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
You should change your handle to bad faith.
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
This is the stupidest argument like ever
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
No arguments from me.
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
Please give it to me in the mouth!
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
Seriously? Is it really that important to determine whether or not there is a "me" in "team"? Are you all reading what you write? I want each of you to scroll up and admire your accomplishments, and then ask yourself, if you were right, what difference does it make. Then ask yourself, what changes if you're wrong?
NOTHING!
Thank you, that is all.
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
HI RECTAL
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
Apologies to the peeps. Didn't realize I was responding to another of the tumor's name changes.
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
that's it Epi, run and hide because you know you are an asshole
There may be no "me" in team, but there is an "I" in win.
dear god what have you done?
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
Or what got me kicked off the baseball team way back when: There's also no "U."
What can I say? He was sensitive.
I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights.
Really? And despite well documented "racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty" being copiously executed in the various OWS protests, (not to mention the strident anti-capitalist, anti-freedom undercurrent) that isn't enough to leave a bad enough taste in your mouth to put some distance between you and OWS? What's that? Oh, they mean well. That's different, then.
You have to wonder just how "libertarian" Wilkinson was to begin with if all it took was SWPL and white guilt to send him lurching back onto the beaten path.
Admit it, Will, it was just youthful experimentation and indiscretion, nothing serious.
Hey Beavis, these people are dumber than we are.
heh-heh heh-heh, dumbasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoIMwQEgL8
Talk about a "holy founding document" exposes the speaker as a goddamned statist who has no interest in anything except how to beggar his neighbor for some entitlement or other, who ultimately doesn't give a damn about and is in fact contemptuous of the rule of law.
Fuck, I hate this shit.
I thought our foundation documents were by Mary Rothschild, or Marty Rothbaird, or somebody?
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
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Robert|11.4.11 @ 11:12PM|#
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War,
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type.
Christ almighty. Somebody shoot me!
Rothbard provides a good analysis of where libertarianism should be situated on the modern political spectrum here: http://mises.org/daily/910
What's a little populist paranoia, casual antisemitism, and hyperventilating rhetoric about the holy and utterly unachieveable concept of Economic Justice?
I tend to quite like W.W.'s stuff, and I generally agree with him more than the average libertarian. I'm a fan of the label "neoliberal", defined broadly. It's a phrase that sounds nice, has a good history (since it essentially means "new classical liberalism"), and I really really like the idea of co-opting and adopting slurs.
That being said, I have absolutely no goddamn idea why anyone anywhere ever that supports free markets would also support the OWS movement. The best I can come up with:
1. OWS is a movement for young people, libertarians skew young.
2. OWS is a movement for the "cultural elite" (just cringed writing that, but I think it fits). Certain parts of the libertarian movement, and most certainly Mr. Wilkinson, are part of the "cultural elite".
But really now. It's an utterly anti-capitalist movement. How many communist speakers, communist signs, black flag anarchists, and communal events in "Marxism 101" do you have to see before you recognize this simple and obvious fact? How many Communist Party, Nazi Party, and North Korean endorsements do you have to have?
Even ignoring ideological differences (which again, again, again, again... should be simply insurmountable to anyone that ostensibly supports economic freedom), why would anyone support this movement? How many instances of rape, vandalism, and sexual assault do you have to see? How much public defecation, urination and public drug use does there have to be?
They are NOT your friends. They will NEVER be your friends. It's basically one big WTO protest. It's a public outcry by the squarely anti-market elements of the left. That's all there is to it.
Or to put it more simply: Libertarians agree with about half of the modern American progressive agenda and about half of the modern American conservative agenda.
The Tea Party consists of the half of conservatism that libertarians agree with (free markets).
OWS consists of the half of progressivism that libertarians disagree with (not-free markets).
It is not more complicated than that.
Libertarians agree with about half of the modern American progressive agenda and about half of the modern American conservative agenda.
Which is precisely why both sides hate us. We're impure.
Among other things, Wilkinson mistakenly believes that the reason libertarians can't get along with progressives/socialists is because they confuse libertarians with conservatives. What he fails or prefers not to realize, is that progressives/socialists actually hate conservatives most because they confuse them with libertarians.
Setting aside hatred derived from short-term partisanship, progressives/socialists can get along with and adopt conservative ideas such as, for example, imposing personal values, nationalism, war, and imperialism. In many cases, they're even likely to top their enthusiasm.
In fact, it is their (exaggerated) view that modern conservatives stand for unadulterated free-markets and individual autonomy that brings out the fiercest hate from them. Which is fairly obvious to explain, since free-markets and freedom from government coercion are the true holy water to every one of social engineering schemes.
I think it's a lot simpler than that. Both sides hate the other (and anyone they can broad brush in with them) because:
A) Predictable ignorance about what the other side really stands for, other than the exaggerated caricatures living inside their heads.
B) We wear a green scarf. They wear a purple scarf.
To be fair, proregressives are usually much worse about it and fairly intolerable with their gag-reflex pantomime.
Personally, I think they hate us because we embody the free market argument without the baggage of social conservatism, and hence force them to actually confront the free market argument when they deal with us.
They have such an easy time going after conservatives on religion, gays, racism, and war, that they get all flustered and upset when those arguments don't work against libertarians. What are they supposed to do? Go read Nozick? Why would they do that when they can just make jokes about religion instead? It's not fair!
MIR's got it right.
Ultimately, liberals have greater contempt for libertarians than they have for conservatives, which is why Wilkinson's enterprise so risible.
Conservatives cave to (or actively support) statist policies all the time. Can any liberal find an example of government cutting that occurred during the Bush presidency? And it's not like Boehner's theatrics have done anything to stall the liberal agenda for more than a few months.
The true enemies of the modern liberal are those who try to convince people that the government should play a less significant part in their lives.
Can any liberal find an example of government cutting that occurred during the Bush presidency
But TEH DEREGULASHUNS of TEH CORPERASHUNS!!! and BOOSCH!
The modern American conservative agenda is almost entirely the economic part, so I'd say libertarians agree with far more than half of it. The only social issues left that sociocons have any hope of imposing their views on are gay marriage, which doesn't even involve coercion, and the drug war, where most liberals heartily agree with them. School prayer, abortion, bans on cohabitation, etc are dead issues.
And on the other hand, the left's agenda is also almost entirely the economic part, which means we disagree with them more than half the time. They don't give two shits about civil rights anymore except as a rhetorical means to expropriate more money.
Really? With what just happened in Mississippi, you're declaring abortion a dead issue?
I'm a pro-lifer and I think Mississippi is pissing into the wind. Even if it passes (and it might not, didn't one of the Dakotas vote on this?) it will change absolutely nothing. Until Roe v. Wade is overturned any pro life legislation or statement by a politician is pure political bullshit. You are better off going out and trying to convince people not to get an abortion, and there are many prolifers who are doing just that. I would add encouraging people to use contraception (including the morning after pill) and being responsible with their sex lives but obviously many of the religious prolifers have other bones to pick besides just abortion.
There's a difference in pro-lifers* and these fuckheads in Mississippi.
While pro-lifers want to protect the life of the unborn, these assholes want to control everyones life from the cradle fertilization to the grave.
*I am strongly pro-life.
Is that why you so adamantly work to spread the gift of life into twenty-something uteri?
As a proud Southerner, I must admit we are not the most life-affirming culture out there.
I'm also pro-life, and would support re-criminalizing abortion, but at the legal level I recognize it ain't gonna happen. As Apatheist said that law is never going to be successfully enforced.
You have too much Black Swan faith in the social zeitgeist being tomorrow what it is today. Why, I don't know. It's foundation is quite flimsy. Did anyone in '59 see the hippie culture showing up a mere 7 years later?
If the social zeitgeist changes in a way that favors socially conservative positions, they won't need our support anyway.
True that.
Reminds me of the Niven/Pournelle novel with a premise where the Big One shook California into repenting its devil loving liberal ways.
"As Apatheist said that law is never going to be successfully enforced."
There was a time when lynching wasn't prosecuted either in some states. It was a crime, but lynchers were from the ruling class, and after all they were defending the Honor of the White Race.
Then there was a cultural shift, and finally lynching *was* prosecuted.
But to the best of my knowledge, nobody sought to legalize lynching even when it was popular. Nobody said, "well, they're going to lynch anyway, let's legalize it because the enforcement issues are just too difficult!"
They would have if they were paying attention to the Beats...
I think the Beats did.
That's how long ago I opened this thread?! And i skipped most of that weirdness. Crap, what a clusterfuck.
The "hippie culture" you think was so totally "new" was preceded by the "beatnicks" of the 1950"s, etc. etc. Rebellious youth, nothing new to see here, or under the sun...
Even granting that, most conservatives are not anywhere close to being pro-free market enough. So I would say it is LESS than 50%.
I like this statement.
I'm usually a little more comfortable with Team Red because the worst parts of their agenda are doomed. Gay Marriage will be legal; writing's on the wall. Ditto marijuana legalization, though it will doubtless take longer than it should, or than any of us want.
Team Blue, on the other hand, has a very good chance of getting the ugly, statist parts of their agenda enacted, because vast swaths of the American people just love, love, love horseshit populist economics. Eat the rich!
I'd say more like a a third each. Take gays for example. Progressives want to punish homophobes, conservatives want to write homophobia into law. We want freedom for both.
99% of the progressive agenda is complete state control of all your decision making. The other 1% is creating a "married" legal status for gays so they can give them special tax breaks and subsidies.
Good luck if you can co?pt the "neoliberal" slurs. Whenever I hear it used, it's always with a tone of righteous indignation. "They're 'neoliberal'! That proves how icky they are and how right I am!"
We really need the word "neosocialist". Sure, it's not exactly accurate since there's nothing "neo" about it. But it still makes a nice counterpoint.
I actually like being a neoliberal just to be a badass...
I like black flag anarchists. I don't like black/red flag anarchists.
They are NOT your friends. They will NEVER be your friends.
Au contraire.
The thing that you are missing is that Will Wilkinson is not a creature of free markets. By which I mean that he has never had to make his daily bread by offering something for sale to his fellow man, and having to deal with rejection, in the form non sales, on a daily basis.
Instead he is a paid propagandist, the modern equivalent of a court jester, that performs for the amusement of his patron, who in turn hopes that his stooge's performance will influence the patron's friends.
He is as much a parasite as the beggar holding a bowl at the castle gates.
As is common in any dependency relationship, the clown comes to resent the patron and imagine that he is of equal or greater importance. And like any host the patron eventually tires of his parasite and expels it. The Wilkonson then moves onto a a new patron, changing his act as necessary.
They are NOT your friends. They will NEVER be your friends.
Au contraire.
The thing that you are missing is that Will Wilkinson is not a creature of free markets. By which I mean that he has never had to make his daily bread by offering something for sale to his fellow man, and having to deal with rejection, in the form non sales, on a daily basis.
Instead he is a paid propagandist, the modern equivalent of a court jester, that performs for the amusement of his patron, who in turn hopes that his stooge's performance will influence the patron's friends.
He is as much a parasite as the beggar holding a bowl at the castle gates.
As is common in any dependency relationship, the clown comes to resent the patron and imagine that he is of equal or greater importance. And like any host the patron eventually tires of his parasite and expels it. The Wilkonson then moves onto a a new patron, changing his act as necessary.
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
I said "somebody shoot me"!!! What is the matter with you people!!!
Seriously, Reason editors and squirrels, can't you do something to get rid of this shit? It is out of control and taking much of the joy out of your otherwise excellent blog.
How about a 500 character limit?
There are essential truths at the hearts of both OWS and the Tea Party. There are also Galactus-sized truths that each movement by and large refuses to acknowledge.
And while it is heartening to see people eschewing party-centric political action for more direct public protest, the obtusity of the core and the freakazoids on the fringe of both OWS and the Tea Party are reason enough to cast aspersions on anyone who strongly identifies with either one.
The other problem is that the essential truths at the core are completely overshadowed by total bullshit that has nothing to do with those truths.
"The government spends too much! Not one dime slashed from defense or the terrorists win!"
"The bailouts gave a bunch of Wall Street shitheads who screwed up a ton of our money and they didn't even have to pay for their fuckup! Bail out my student loans!"
Consistency is what defines libertarianism for me.
LOL, consistency!
That's one thing the libertarians have in about as much quantities as their butt-buddies who also can't decide if they like or love the state, the MARXISTS.
YOU SURE DO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS MISS RECTAL. HOW COME YOU GO AND GET SO FLUSTERED WHEN COOTER KEEPS ASKIN' ALL THEM QUESTIONS 'BOUT GIRLS AND THEIR PARTS? DO'NCH YOU GOT 'EM?
"The bailouts gave a bunch of Wall Street shitheads who screwed up a ton of our money and they didn't even have to pay for their fuckup! Bail out my student loans!"
It's worse than that.
"The bailouts gave a bunch of Wall Street Shithead who screwed up a ton of our money and they didn't even have to pay for the fuckup! I support TARP!"
I wouldn't join any protest movement that would have me as a member.
OWS doesn't even have a heart for there to be a truth at. It's just a bunch of people who are pissed at the way things are going looking for someone to blame.
Say what you will about National Socialism the Tea Party, at least it's an ethos.
I dunno, I'd say that the OWS ethos is government: Bigger, longer and uncut.
To be fair, demanding that govt DO SOMETHING about stuff they don't like is the response of nearly the entire political spectrum. It's not unique to OWS or even the left.
Considering that the gummint is the one doing "it," it's kinda silly to ask something else to do something.
Which brings us to the idiocy of OWS.
Which brings us to the idiocy of OWS.
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that point was reached long ago.
That was a pretty impassioned speech.
Almost made me forget about the Rangers losing for a few minutes.
Instead of being told we have to identify with one or the other, can't we just ignore all of these assholes?
Well, I for one have never felt pressure from my fellow lefty-commie-OWS peeps to disavow reading the Welch-helmed Reason. Our common Nexus/HST/baseball/band geekiness goes a long way with me, and I tell them so.
@Rob: Holy founding document, Batman!
And on the underlying point of why and even whether "self-described libertarians are more likely to identify with the Tea Party movement," two final points:
And then Mr. Welch goes on to state two somewhat contradictory sentiments. The glue that holds the OWS movement together seems to be an expansion of state influence. It may be in increased regulation on business or in forgiveness of student loans or it may be some other government magic, but it's there.
Many of us like to relive our youth now and then, but you won't return to being the Goldilocks version of Matt Welch by identifying with the clueless hippie element of Occupy Wherever. They reason differently than you do.
As a youth (just turned 25 maybe not anymore?) who as few as 3 months ago had hair past my shoulders and bushy beard I can't identify with them either. I have friends who are liberals/progressives but just because I'll share a joint with them doesn't mean I buy any of their bullshit.
It's more that "identifying with" and "agreeing with" are two wholly separate thing. Or at least they should be.
And I'll bring Goldilocks back if I get skinny enough....
Is it shallow of me to think your entire identification with OWS is cultural, and that this affinity is clouding your analysis?
I'll also state for the record that maybe it's my own intense hatred of my own generation of filthy white hipsters that leads me to dislike OWS even more than I should, intellectually-speaking.
Everybody is an individual with their own biases. No one has exactly the same positions or justifications for those positions. Another writer used him personally as an example and Welch rebutted him. If that's not one of the perks of being an Editor-In-Chief I don't know that is.
I can identify with that identification. I have a lot of liberal friends who are deep in this thing, and have pretty mixed feelings about it. The anti-capitalism stuff is horrible, but I can't just shit all over it without pissing off a lot of people.
Much of what they're advocating is so counter to the cause of liberty that it's difficult for me to suffer them gladly. But, yeah, our friends don't always share common politics, Gaia love 'em.
I use to keep with mostly Team Blue types in my youth, but after several attempts at stabbing me in the back, I now generally view left ideology as a character flaw.
But, what you're saying is that you're allowing your "friends" to dictate your views regardless of the merits of their case. Where does that particular continuum end? When they start seizing property? When they start attacking "class enemies?
No one is saying declare war on your friends. But, what would your reaction be to someone who lived in the Jim Crow South making the same claim with regard to racists?
Totally valid points, all. The only thing working in our favor is that their ideology is a miserable failure, and tends to self-destruct in all phases.
"I'll also state for the record that maybe it's my own intense hatred of my own generation of filthy white hipsters that leads me to dislike OWS even more than I should, intellectually-speaking."
The purpose of libertarianism isn't to maintain a pure aesthetic, free of whatever cultural artifacts you personally don't like.
There are two parties all about making cultural identity the definition the very definition of what they think...
Jesus Christ, if you can't agree with people on issues because you don't like their aesthetics, then why think of yourself as libertarian?
There is no libertarian cultural identity. No libertarian aesthetic. If you're looking for that, join a church or somethin'.
Also, in that linked Walter Block article, he sounds just like a liberal when he stamps his feet and says (regarding KMW's treatment of RP), "She was just so totally unfair to the man who is now promoting liberty..." (emphasis his).
Unfair unfair unfair!
Jeez, he needs to get over his man-crush on RP. As we saw in Bruno, the good doctor simply isn't into it.
What are you doing in that last photo? Talking on an imaginary phone?
Who the hell knows? The more disturbing question is what am I *drinking*?
For real....
I'm going to guess it was a single sized serving of beer... in the Czech Republic. Which is a half-gallon.
I'm aghast thinking your fashion sense has in fact *declined* since then...
Well, we're not going to rag him about the tie he has in that photo.
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...Well, we're not going to rag him about the tie he has in that photo.
Fair enough.
But don't think he doesn't deserve every bit of it.
Looks like malt liquor to me.
Wait that's Matt?
I have prosopagnosia, so I never get those "old pictures of Reasoners" gags...
Seriously? That's pretty rare.
I didn't recognize the woman who's now my wife when we passed on the sidewalk for the first 3 months I lived with her.
What the fuck?
Seriously. Fuck that PC bullshit.
I deal a lot with English documents coming out of non-English-speaking countries like Finland, Spain and Germany and there's an infuriating tendency for non-English speakers to use the PC pronouns (Nokians are particularly consistently shitty about this).
I'm not sure if it's a European thing or a "plural pronouns for singular objects are incorrect" thing but it makes me crazy.
Finland doesn't have gendered pronouns. H?n means either "he" or "she". I'm told that in colloquial speach, Finns use se, instead, which means "it".
Oh, and those pronouns also decline for about a dozen cases. 🙂
"Their" would be wrong. "She" is uncommon but correct. Get over it.
Except usage is changing so that using "their" IS becoming correct.
Language evolves. Get over it.
I think that libertarians (and many Tea Partiers) agree with the Over-privileged White Socialists that the crony capitalist system in the U.S. right now is broken and has to be reformed.
It's just that the former think the problem is the cronyism and the latter thinks the problem is the capitalism.
"First and more generally, I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War, and as such has been on the wane for two decades now."
I think it started back with opposition to the New Deal.
Opposition to communism went hand in hand with that, and it limped along with the Goldwater campaign, the Reagan Revolution...
The quirky question is about how conservatives came to care so much about cultural issues, and I think a lot of that has to do with the reaction to the counter-culture of the sixties, and, in the South, the end of segregation.
The cons should be ashamed of themselves--oh, if only the South would go back to being a Democrat bloc again!
Reagan did a lot in my mind to kill the notion that conservative politicians do anything more than pay lip service to limited government.
Will Wilkonsin: Libertarianism's David Frum.
He's a "libertarian-leaning liberal" now, i.e. more liberal than libertarian.
Wilkinson has always been a lefty douchebag.
Were you agreeing?
Wilkerson's defense of the OWS turds is as unconvincing as the left's charges of racism against the Tea Party.
What you're seeing here in his "thinking" represents the roots of fascism. There is no subtlety. There are only camps. There are only pure motives and cynical motives.
Wilkerson will come down on the side of OWS if New York burns. And the collapse of the economy, once ushered in, will be his complete victory, because he already "knows" who caused it.
Sorry, "Wilkinson." Those German names are so easy to screw up.
If by German you mean English then yes:
http://surnames.behindthename.com/name/wilkinson
If by "English" you mean "English is Germanic, and thus, this is German" then yes.
You obviously didn't read the link. Wilkinson (Son of Wilkin) is a Medieval English name, well past the time English stopped being German and was it's own language. It is derived from William which was derived from the German name Willahelm. So Wilkinson the surname is derived from an English first name which was derived from an English first name which was derived from a Germanic first name. I find that to be sufficiently English as a opposed to German but whatever.
Of course English itself is a bastardization of many language including Latin and Romance languages and not only Germanic ones.
Following your logic every word in any language is Human because if you go back far enough all languages reach the same trunk of the language tree.
"well past the time English stopped being German and was it's own language"
GERMANIC, not GERMAN.
It never stopped being Germanic, so it's still Germanic and thus is German.
"Following your logic every word in any language is Human because if you go back far enough all languages reach the same trunk of the language tree."
Incorrect, grossly so. MANY languages developed in isolation, after non-lingual humans spread out, and are unrelated.
If you're going to discuss this, at least try to educate yourself to the point that you don't make fundamental, basic errors like claiming "all languages reach the same trunk of the language tree."
Seriously, what you just claimed is like saying 2+2 equals 5, it's not only wrong, it's such a well known and fundamental fact that not knowing it disqualifies you from further commentary on the subject.
Human beings communicated before they spread out, all languages developed from there.
But you said:
So you were saying it was German, not Germanic.
The original poster said:
German, not Germanic.
He also was talking about spelling. The spelling is English not German as it was a word whose spelling was changed to an English derivative of a German word that had an entirely different spelling. Color is American spelling as opposed to Colour which is an English spelling. This word was even more distinguished as it was part of a separate language as opposed to regional variation of a language.
You are taking this whole thing far to seriously, I think behindthename is one of the coolest sites on the web and I thought he might be interested. I will not be discussing it with you any further.
"Human beings communicated before they spread out, all languages developed from there."
So? That in no way makes your idiotic claim that "all languages reach the same trunk of the language tree." true.
They may reach the same tree in regards to humanity, but if two non lingual humans spread out, and their languages developed independently, as has happened, then they will NEVER EVER "reach the same trunk of the language tree."
Why is it the first think you wailing assholes do when you're proven wrong is to pathetically try to find a way to avoid admitting it?
You were wrong, the rest of your stupid fucking post ids wrong, and nothing you said there changes the fact that you idiotically claimed the linguistic equivalent of 2+2=5.
I will not be discussing it with you any further.
If you weren't so fucking dumb, you wouldn't have started discussing it in the first place and made an idiot of yourself.
Shut the fuck up now.
derp
"derp"
See, that's more your speed, avoid discussing anything above that and we won't have another problem.
Also, you said "I will not be discussing it with you any further." but were so upset you belied your own statement.
How sad for you.
GOLLY MISS RECTAL YOU ARE SURE BUSY TONIGHT AND QUITE UPSET. IS THERE A BEE IN YOUR BONNET? I LIKE BEES THEY MAKE FUNNY SOUNDS MAYBE I CAN CATCH ONE FOR YOU.
Good god. What is wrong with this fucking thread? I thought this might be an interesting topic, yet its turning out to be the inverse of the Salty Ham Tears thread. First 100 posts about fucking anagrams. Now bickering over the linguistic origins of the name Wilkinson.
Rather, fuck you very much.
Cry faggot.
No, I wasn't.
If I misunderstood correcting a typo as that then I apologize to you, and to you if you took my post as an attack.
"derp"
See, that's more your speed, avoid discussing anything above that and we won't have another problem.
Also, you said "I will not be discussing it with you any further." but were so upset you belied your own statement.
How sad for you.
In retrospect I failed at communicating my feeling that all languages evolved from the same place. I was wrong there. My background is in evolutionary biology and the law. Therefore I view things from the perspectives that all human behaviors derive from a common source (language is an advanced form of communication) and that words can be bent to suit your own meaning (Wilkinson can be English, German or Germanic). From those perspectives I find the distinction between the word being English, German, Germanic, Indo-European or Human to be based on a subjective definition of how much time it takes for a word to enter that category. I expressed this inarticulately: "I find that to be sufficiently English as a opposed to German but whatever." I understand that from the perspective of Linguistic Studies this may be incorrect. If you have a book for laymen to recommend I will read it.
Yes Coeus, I changed my mind.
"All human behaviors" is too strong but certainly advanced communication developed before Humans left Africa.
Ooo, I know a book:
http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-.....0553807870
MANY languages developed in isolation, after non-lingual humans spread out, and are unrelated.
This really hasn't been proven, you know.
And it really can't be.
The information we have about the different language groups simply doesn't go back far enough.
Some language groups appear from their fundamental grammar to have developed in isolation. That's true.
But it's also true that the number of phonemes in each language increases as you get closer to Ethiopia. That implies an African origin for language.
What do you do with a Wilkinson? A fast punch in the face sounds appealing, but just take a look at the guy - it'd feel like stomping on a bunny rabbit. Maybe just feed him a carrot and ignore him?
Relax Slappy, it's not like he's a darkie or anything.
Slappy's just getting his Internet Tuff Gai on.
Must be pent up. My guess is he hasn't been to a proper lynching in years.
So, you commented on something, he wrote a commentary on your commentary, and now you're writing a commentary on his commentary of your commentary?
Did I get that right?
Are you a 14 both 14 year old girls?
HOWDY MISS RECTAL DID YOU HEAR THE GOSSIP FROM MS MCREADY? SHE HEARD THAT BILLY SUE ROGERS KISSED BOBBY JOE THOMPSON BEHIND THE SCHOOL!
Um, this isn't "rectal", you need to get your detector working and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
Apologies, my trigger finger is itchy.
WELL GOLLY MISS RECTAL YOU SURE LOOK AND SOUND LIKE MISS RECTAL! KINDA UNCANNY!
Is MS MCREADY the widow of the helicopter pilot from The Thing?
Yes.
maybe Billie Sue kissed Bobbi Jo, which really got Bobby's attention.
That is what bloogers do. Have you never read any before?
I don't give a fuck what Will Wilkinson thinks about you, and I certainly don't give a fuck about a wall of text dissecting it.
Lucky in love, unlucky in philosophical consistency.
I never understood the torch you carry for that particular writer. But to each his own.
You weren't here back during the Weigal Era, obviously. She was the semiofficial forum stroke object.
I wandered in on the tail end of "Ratfuck" Weigal's screeds. Slightly before joe p. boyle high-tailed it out of here.
...the non-political ones that just wanna get a buzz going and have a good time. Raise a little cash by selling some weed. Ok with that. Pass that cold brewski, dude.
Fuck you rectal.
swing and a miss, ming
Fuck yourself Mr. Nice Guy
That wasn't me asshole
OK Matt, we get it, you're not conservative. Did you really need a wall of text to say that?
The real question is, how can you be so fucking dumb that you don't realize M an E are in team.
When did I state the contrary?
When did I claim you stated it?
You clearly implied it. You were wrong.
When did I imply it?
Obviously I'm assuming you have enough intelligence to understand the implications behind what someone says, which it appears you do not.
SHUT. THE FUCK. UP.
PLEASE GOD. STOP THE DUMB
Shoot yourself, it's the only way to be sure.
Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?
Me.
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU USIN BAD WORDS AGAIN THEY HURT COOTER'S EARS!
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
WI, I don't give a shit what you think.
Actually that's not true; if you say something that is evidence that the contrary is true.
I made it to the end. As a mostly liberal who reads Reason mainly for the coverage of police state overreach, but tries to stomach Tim Cavanaugh in the interest of exposing myself to alternative viewpoints, I gotta say that for the most part your audience seems indistinguishable from that of the smarter Republican blogs. This is actually the only blog I ever comment on, because I feel like though I may disagree with the person I'm arguing with, at least he probably accepts evolution, and thinks Obama was born in America. These days that's all the common ground you can hope for.
Why do you think that Kenyan Ayatollah is 'merican?
I may disagree with the person I'm arguing with, at least he probably accepts evolution, and thinks Obama was born in America.
And we're housebroken, so you don't have to worry about us shitting in your rug.
We're also the Penultimate Evil?, or so we're told. Don't forget the evil.
What, then, is the ultimate evil?
Unitarians.
+1
Collectivists
Collectivism
You can always kill collectivists but collectivism lives on so it is the greater evil.
I thought time was money?
White Indian.
In your heart, you know it's true.
Steve Smith's and Warty's Love Child.
Smarter Republicans believe in ending the drug war, ending the real wars, cutting defense spending, ending crony capitalism, and increasing transparency?
Huh. Never knew that.
Well, duh.
All we need is more government, and that will solve income inequality! . Frum is such a genius!
You thought you could tempt me to read that shit? I am disappoint.
This seems vaguely racist... anyone else?
Banana
only the collective action of organized class interests have
My dipshit overload popped at this point. Was there any coherent thought after this point that I missed?
I made it down further to "casual racism [of the tea party]". I should have stopped earlier. I don't think you missed a coherent thought. Seems to be mostly Welch trying to reassure his left leaning acquaintances that, no, he really doesn't like those conservatives or tea partiers and he really is ok to associate with. I don't understand how a self-identified libertarian (no true scottsman, etc) could feel affinity with either OWS or the modern American Democratic party, but to each his own. I can ID a very small handful of Team Red and/or Tea Party identified politicians I might be able to vote for (if I were the voting type), but I can't for the life of me find think of a Democrat or OWS sympathetic politician I could consider. Even if you are wont to divide liberty into economic and personal spheres (which I'm not), I don't see anything in either movement or specific individual to appeal to a libertarian.
-K
The "casual racism" bit was from Wilkinson, not Welch.
I know. So was the "collective action of organized class" bit that tipped juris's meter. I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.
-K
I could think of a few, but yes, not many. If there was no LP or tolerable independent, in many cases, I just won't vote in that particular race. But if it's a standard Democrat and a raving social conservative like Santorum, I'll go with the former. But otherwise, because the social issues are pretty much dead, and the Dems generally (with the exception of a few like Kucinich) offer no comparative advantage on issues like the Drug War or military spending, the GOP is marginally better, particularly the Tea Party types. That said, I'd probably still feel nauseated for days after voting for the GOP person. Oddly, I typically feel better if the GOP person is a sacrificial lamb running against a safe Dem, because then I can consider more a protest vote. Plus, those GOP candidates tend to be socially liberal compared to the rest of the party. I might feel differently if I had been living in Red areas, but I've been living in solidly Blue areas pretty consistently since high school, for better or worse.
Welch's response to Double W is proof of Reason's non-libertarian left leaning agenda. Somehow I doubt old Prof. Block will be getting such a lengthy, gentle, meta point by point response in the pages of Hit N Run. And Dr. Block is a real libertarian, he defends the undefendable, he writes at LewRockwell, he teaches in Louisiana...
And yet, none of that demonstrates a left leaning agenda.
So, wtf are you on about.
If Mr. Block would stop complaining like a little bitch about RP and KMW, he might deserve a point by point rebuttal.
So what?
So what?
How is that relevant?
Dog whistles. It is all about the dog whistles.
Matt, I'll always go all the way with you.
Or against Cavanaugh 'cept when he starts to defend whacked-out policies of Jerry Brown ("Let's raise the Prison Guards' salaries" "Let's not require warrants for cell-phone data searches"). I believe in the missing link. and Obama was born in America just like George W Bush was (there is that rumor that Wbya was born in Durango, Mexico). So don't bogart that joint, my friend.
...sorry, to be fair to Cavanaugh, I don't accuse him of defending those particular policies...he does like Jerry, anyway.
"I don't begrudge Wilkinson's enthusiasm for Occupy Wall Street?"[W]hy not get together with thousands of like-minded folks, scream about it, screw up traffic, get arrested, whip one another into a frenzy of self-righteous indignation, spit on some people, provoke the jackboots, and maybe even wreck some stuff? Why is that not a good idea?"?nor do I resent his dislike of the Tea Party ("What's a little populist paranoia, casual racism and hyperventilating rhetoric about the holy Founding Document?")."
If you wished to show sense, you would begrudge it. Granted, you've got a hell of a lot more than Wilkinson.
Yeah, let's go burn stuff and fuck with people alongside a bunch of socialists. And wait, did I forget to mention that those relatively peaceful teabaggers are a fucking frenzied raacccciiiiiisssstttttsss?
What an intellectual baby.
Meh, I read that paragraph by Mr Welch as a passive-aggressive put-down.
If so, I apologize. I may have missed such subtlety.
Yes, I think he was quoting the most objectionable tripe for emphasis.
It seemed awfully British to me too. So, same thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weijnvNCxqY
+1
Weaksauce, Willie. If you go crawling back to the liberals, it's either because you've been browbeaten about racism/sexism being The Most Fucking Important Issues Facing America Today by some fucking morons who know nothing about economics, and you yourself are a fucking moron and know nothing about economics, or you're just posturing.
I'm sick of this apparent obligation to act like liberals sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming LALALALA about their wrong, discredited economic theories (and they're not even theories, really, just vague imaginings that reality should be different than it is, with the exact same theft and graft you get in practice from both sides) are somehow not being embarrassingly stupid.
Come on Dagny, don't you know it's cocktail party season?
YOU are a fucking moron. YOUR economic "theories" are just vague imaginings. YOU are embarrassingly stupid.
See? I am good at arguing too.
Growth rates of Communist China vs. Hong Kong 1955-1990 or East vs. West Germany, same dates. Argue with that.
Obama is not a communist, but his economic policies amount to a group of "experts" sitting in a room stating that some economic activity is going to happen because they think it's good. That was the process of two of the countries listed above. Guess which two.
I think the model is Scandanavian social democracy, mixed economies, not hard line socialism.
The main difference is in the scope of government control of the economy. If you have a 5-year plan committee, a democratically socialist industrial board or a "green energy jobs super panel", the biggest difference is that the second is limited to to industry and the super panel is limited to the energy sector of the economy. They're all still small groups of TOP MEN sitting around and deciding how things are going to be for millions of people.
Sweden doesn't have a command and control economy.
I'm going to see if I can get my wife to read that back to me later tonight, Dagny. That was TOTALY sexy.
Dagny is a dude, dude.
So? My wife isn't.
I read Sugarfree's stuff to her all the time t get her hot. Yeah, it turns me off too, but my babe is whack freaky.
Argument clinic is in Room 12A.
...with a single words.
GAMBOL.
Officer, am I free to gambol about forest and plain?
Libertarians love Gambol Lockdown, just as much as any Leninist or Liberal.
Rectal,you deserve to be treated as the nigger of the world.
Then Karma truly exists...
Fuck off that wasn't me you racist asshole-glad to know what you are though
White Primitard loves being in Gambol Lockdown, because he couldn't survive otherwise.
White Libertard loves being in city-STATIST Gambol Lockdown, because he couldn't survive otherwise.
Whenever I hear someone whining about robust agency or socioeconomic conditions, I reach for my taser. WTF.
I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights.
Depends on how you define "liberty". The common definition doesn't match what he's talking about; he's taking it to mean "ability to do something" rather than "being allowed to do something".
I too accept that those factors can make people's lives and pursuit of happiness unfairly difficult, but the reality is that any forcible attempt to remedy that injustice is going to cause more problems than it solves. You can be a libertarian and be concerned for the poor and for disadvantaged minorities. Look at the work that the libertarian Institute for Justice does.
Everything rests on this assumption, which is probably wrong. You're effectively saying people should be denied the tool of acting through their government for their own interests. It almost smells authoritarian. Bad enough in principle, but in fact is the denial of redress for the most vulnerable and lavishing on the least vulnerable.
It's authoritarian to deny people the ability to oppress others.
Dr. Orwell, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
Orwellian like saying the most vulnerable people in society are the oppressors of the least vulnerable, and believing such a perfect contradiction?
He didn't say that. And the govt is oppressing the most vulnerable people in society pretty thoroughly in its own right.
Stealing poor people's property and handing it over to sports owners and wealthy universities? Check.
Handing over nearly a trillion dollars of middle-class tax money to big banks? Check.
Giving one of the largest corporations in the world tax breaks to wipe out its tax liability? Check.
The problem is equating those actions with safety net policies. Government doesn't need to protect the least vulnerable. It needs to put a floor beneath the least vulnerable. They aren't the same thing. One results in oppression, the other alleviates it.
second least = most
The people who promote safety net policies promote those activities too, and have for decades.
The right people are never going to be in charge, assuming they exist in the first place.
The right people can be in charge if we stopped having a bribery-based political system. You know, that thing libertarian thought has recklessly enabled?
If govt wasn't picking winners and losers bribery/influence peddling wouldn't be such a lucrative endeavor.
But it's good that you finally recognize that Obama isn't the right person in charge.
A question Jon Stewart posed the other day in response to this platitude: what do we do with the losers? I didn't say it should pick winners and losers, I said it should provide a floor for individual people. But it's gonna have some substantial influence in the economy going about its daily business. The economy shouldn't care who's doing the buying, and nowadays it should be grateful for the activity.
Thanks, but I don't require buying as much as I require PRODUCING.
What you do with the losers? It's called bankruptcy bitches.
"the other alleviates it"
Really.
Ah, so government bailout.
You can produce roads and bridges.
Either corporations are evil, and therefore undeserving... or they need to be bailed out.
This shit is so fucking stupid. Roads and bridges are impossible without government? Pure weapons grade stupid.
Tony, we have a bribery based political system because our government makes available mountains of free cash to politically connected hucksters who pinkie promise to create green jobs... To name just one of a billion examples.
Libertarians have the only reasonable solutions to eliminating these bribery magnets, but progressives seem stubbornly uninterested in changing the system.
That same bribery-based system bribes poor people with promises of "economic justice", resulting in more votes for Team Blue.
Quite pathetic, how easily-led people of both Teams can be, but there you go.
More weapons grade stupid from Tony. Thnks Tony, we all need the reminder now and then how idiotic you are.
You might. I only have to see his name for it all to come flooding back.
Then said government loses all credibility among the least vulnerable and they aren't only justified, but morally obligated to undermine, manipulate and debase said government. Congratulations, Tony, you've just justified corporatocracy.
When are are liberals like Tony going to ever realize that the state is fundamentally a reactionary institution. It's the poor and weak's greatest enemy.
The true liberal position is to oppose it.
Orwellian like saying the most vulnerable people in society are the oppressors of the least vulnerable, and believing such a perfect contradiction?
No disingenuous one.
The Orwellian part is
It almost smells authoritarian.
=
people should be denied the tool of acting through their government for their own interests.
By your rationale it would be authoritarian to deny white Southerners the freedom to democratically enact Jim Crow, since it is there interests to do so.
You're effectively saying people should be denied the tool of acting through their government for their own interests.
Yes, I am, and explicitly, not just effectively. Just like I think people should be denied the tool of acting through knives, guns, and clubs for their own interest.
Except when that interest is self-defense?
I guess that's only real weapons, not the metaphorical kind.
I have no problem with people "using the tool of government" for self-defense, either. That's why I support the existence of police and fire departments.
You ain't talking about self-defense.
People should be allowed to have laws to protect them from the flaws of capitalism just like any other threat to their well-being.
"Officer, help! there's a flaw of capitalism hiding in my back yard!"
Hmm, doesn't seem to work.
What if it's tainted drinking water?
What is your thieving, festering, diseased taint doing in the drinking water supply?
+1 to Tulpa
Come see the violence inherent in the system!
Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!
All your gambol are belong to us.
Somebody set us up the State.
If they're acting through their government to violate the rights of their fellow citizens, then absolutely, the government should be forbidden that. Unless you believe slavery is okay, given a majority vote.
Will Wilkinson: politically variable, consistently douchey.
I prefer to think of him as a cunt-leaning cunt, with cuntish tendencies.
From the second I read the words "alleged disaffinity" and "fusionism", I thought this article would be the most pretentious meandering BS I had ever seen on Reason. I read it and I wasn't wrong.
Too bad, usually you guys are better at making a point.
Though it's not a boingboing link, this post really needs a
WHITE POWER
and I can't allow my allegiance to LOL SHOUTY CAPS LOCK to conceal, as it maybe too often does, that that's a capital-w White.
The worst thing about the Occupancy, at least as it pertains to "libertarianism," is that it's making these Whitey-safe-word-exchange posts happen way the hell too often.
Don't be so insecure, guys. We've all seen your glasses.
You wouldn't happen to be oblig, would you?
If so, you know what I'm talking about. If not, no worries.
Tebow > Quadruple-u
Guts tend to do that. A lot of "blame the poor" platitudes sound halfway reasonable in normal conversation. Doesn't mean it's productive thinking. Blame the poor to what end? Punishing them for being bad?
The nice thing about foolishness is that it usually punishes itself (have you ever heard the saying about fools and their money?). All you have to do is get out of the way.
I can't get out of the way. My political philosophy is violently opposed to it.
And you think the role of the government is to allow people to punish themselves for being foolish?
And, for an encore of stupid^2 from shithead, we have:
"And you think the role of the government is to allow people to punish themselves for being foolish?"
Those who absolutely can NOT do for themselves... need some kind of help.
Able-bodied, sound-minded adults who fuck up and do stupid shit? Fuck, no. You make your bed, you sleep in it.
That goes for bailing out corporations, too.
"Punishing them for being bad?"
No, shithead, not *rewarding* them for silly behavior.
How about not thinking in terms of deserving at all? If you need to pay for something, you tax people and try to make it as painless as possible. What people deserve is immaterial unless we're in court or church.
If you need to pay for something, you tax people and try to make it as painless as possible.
Golden words, Tony, if you know what I mean.
And, yes, I been drinking with Ben again. What are you going to do about it?
"How about not thinking in terms of deserving at all?"
Of course, shithead, actions should have no results at all, right?
Can someone please frame that quote from Tony for all time so we will forever know one of The Left's most important tenets?
Poverty is victimhood.
"Poverty is victimhood."
Shithead is beyond ignorant.
Weapons. Grade. Stupid.
How about not thinking at all? I never do.
I don't deserve a fucking thing but I got power to tax all you assholes to support my lavish lifestyle, spread it around so it hurts less, thanks Tonee, for taking out the trash.
Don't you get tired of being an idiot?
Actually, I think most of us would be more than happy to simply not reward the poor.
TL/DR?
We found out you can't spell TEAM without A-T-M. And by A-T-M, I mean the Ass To Mouth-fest that went on at the top of the thread.
+100
I'm getting pretty fed up myself.
Yeah, what the fuck?? My brain cells just had their human rights violated. And I even skimmed past most of it.
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
Actually, I've never asked for the banhammer on anyone here until this very thread. The other trolls are extremely annoying, but at least they sometime have something interesting to discuss. You literally took a fat shit in our faces in an attempt to suffocate our brain cells. And you do that all the time. And it would be one thing if it could be ignored, but no, you insist on shitting in every fucking crevice of the room. I know it's what gives you kicks but it ruins our favorite website every time you decide to defecate in the punch bowl.
Why do I have my henchman perform such trite acts of thuggery? I don't like to share things. Be it money market profits, or with other Jews in Nazi Europe. Libertarians don't deserve salons of their own, independent of MY moderation.
As soon as I saw this post I thought to myself "pretty much anybody is going to find something to be pissed off about in this post" and it sure didn't take long to be proven.
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights.
--Will Wilkinson
"A beggar cannot renounce wealth," Master would say. "If a man laments: 'My business has failed; my wife has left me; I will renounce all and enter a monastery,' to what worldly sacrifice is he referring? He did not renounce wealth and love; they renounced him!"
--Paramahansa Yogananda
Jesus fucking christ.
Jesus fucking christ, I would love to see the IP logs for the comments today.
Jesus fucking christ, I would love to see an IP log of todays comments. This has got to be the most absurd amount of spam from a single person that I've ever seen on an internet forum.
Every thread is worse than the one from before.
"She" actually managed to take it up to 11.
I think the proper expression in this case is "gone full retard".
But have we hit peak retard? Somehow, I doubt it.
Like energy, there is always an ample supply of retard. No matter how much you drill or mine or troll, more can be found.
The difference is that most people desire energy, but only masochists like (or respond to) trolls.
Don't fucking feed them. Ignore them.
I don't see any reason to violate Episiarch's privacy by publishing the IP log with his address on it over and over again.
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
The editors could publish partial addresses by all of our names.
Like so:
42.xxx.xxx.153
Our privacy remains, but we would all know whose post belong to whom. Over time those who switch addresses to avoid bans would lose credibility as we all would expect a consistent identity from those of whom we converse.
Or they could publish a list of names that have used the same IP as the one making the current comment.
Though that would reveal some bad things about some of the regulars, probably too.
If the activity dies down when Skyrim comes out in 6 days, we can pretty much be assured its a regular. Not to cast any guilt on any particular party because I just don't know.
It's a "regular" in the sense that it is the work of one troll who never leaves and skirts around IP bans.
"casual racism"
Time to drink my own piss.
So, Matt, how about some kind of registration system?
No one likes you.
And your idea is moronic, email addresses are free and ubiquitous.
Maybe you could just leave? Nah, you'll insist you get your way because (insert stupid justification that is the same as you being a baby throwing a tantrum) and then cry, because your life really is so empty and meaningless that you couldn't quit the place if you wanted to.
So just shut the fuck up and take it bitch.
You're not man enough to do anything about it but run your dicksucker anyway.
By the way, I love the attempt to stifle speech. Classy.
It's not stifling speech at all. Reason wouldn't be stopping you from setting up your own blog and working to attract readers to it, just preventing you from fucking up THEIR property with your drivel.
Freedom of speech does not imply a right to an audience.
"It's not stifling speech at all. Reason"
1) WE'RE TALKING ABOUT "WARTY" STIFLING SPEECH IDIOT, LEARN TO READ.
2) It is stifling speech, it is a suggestion to place barriers on speaking, which is by definition stifling it.
3) no one said anything about freedom of speech idiot, learn to read.
4) I never claimed anything about reason or their property fuckwit.
You fail totally.
Whatcha drinkin' tonight MNG?
How fuckin' adorable! It thinks Warty has the power to stifle speech!
Folks, won't *someone* adopt this fuzzy li'l thing? From what it's told us, it has to live on roots and berries! C'mon... Strongheart Dog Food is cheap AND nutritious! Keep it in your yard, it'll adapt!
One or two assholes always spoil anarchy for the rest of us.
It's okay when Team Blue anarchies, then?
Say it, Tony, say it, I need a drink. Please say "Somalia".
Seriously, you couldn't leave if you wanted to. You're a Reason addict, and you're pissy cause someone else harshed your fix.
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with you.
you couldn't leave if you wanted to
It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Everybody knows it.
Damn Warty, looks like you made her mad.
It's not rectal.
I don't know what's wrong. Maybe she misses Cooter or something.
Ahhh, romantic love, so sweet and so painful at the same time! I'm sure there's a sweet, caring boy for her somewhere out there. It really must be lonely, having nothing to do but post nonsense all day.
No one likes you.
And your idea is moronic, email addresses are free and ubiquitous.
Maybe you could just leave? Nah, you'll insist you get your way because (insert stupid justification that is the same as you being a baby throwing a tantrum) and then cry, because your life really is so empty and meaningless that you couldn't quit the place if you wanted to.
So just shut the fuck up and take it bitch.
You're not man enough to do anything about it but run your dicksucker anyway.
Beca8use if I can't, I'm not free! NOT FREE!! I have a right to gambol in your cooch!! Hoe dare you USE THE POLIC to stop me!!
No one likes you.
And your idea is moronic, email addresses are free and ubiquitous.
Maybe you could just leave? Nah, you'll insist you get your way because (insert stupid justification that is the same as you being a baby throwing a tantrum) and then cry, because your life really is so empty and meaningless that you couldn't quit the place if you wanted to.
So just shut the fuck up and take it bitch.
You're not man enough to do anything about it but run your dicksucker anyway.
Beca8use if I can't, I'm not free! NOT FREE!! I have a right to gambol in your cooch!! Hoe dare you USE THE POLIC to stop me!!
No one likes you.
And your idea is moronic, email addresses are free and ubiquitous.
Maybe you could just leave? Nah, you'll insist you get your way because (insert stupid justification that is the same as you being a baby throwing a tantrum) and then cry, because your life really is so empty and meaningless that you couldn't quit the place if you wanted to.
So just shut the fuck up and take it bitch.
You're not man enough to do anything about it but run your dicksucker anyway
Well, at least it's good at cut'n'paste.
ftw
Wow. Just...wow. Between WW's inane doddering, Matt's rebuttal, and the incredible slew of verbal vaginal blood farts over a partial ANAGRAM, I could write a detailed clinical psychiatric dissertation worthy of Sigmund Fraud WRT to the pathology of both the OWS'ers dissonant greed and libertarians' penchant for arguing with brick walls. For the Gamboling Idiot, one word comes to mind: smallpox. Tonybot, just please take the pain pill and die already.
Also, what Warty said.
I took your advice and eschewed the grape soda today, but the Dimetapp Elixir in the medicine cabinet is beginning to tempt me. What do you recommend?
Groovy Doctor is infinitely wiser than I am, but I use a combination of honey, lemon juice and whiskey.
Tulpy Poo, you never struck me as a ROBO fiend. Run out and get some grape Bubblelicious to relieve the grape flavor monkey on your back. Grape Kool-Aid may be helpful as well. It's the artificially flavored chemically goodness of grape that is the problem here. If that fails, grape flavored Pixi Stix, grape pop rocks and tonic water is about the best I can suggest.
He's actually a Juggalo, addicted to Faygo Purple Drank.
Dude, that was so low! Despite the grief I give Tulpy Poo over his MassHole Dreamscicle Flopney fetish and unusual preoccupation with peanut butter, he's a likeable sort who argues in good faith and would be remiss if he decided to stop contributing. I would never refer to Tulpy Poo as a Juggalo. That just ain't right.
Completely mistook where you were going with that. What 'bout Laffy Taffy?
Completely mistook where you were going with that. What 'bout Laffy Taffy?
Laffy Taffy is contra-indicated in mathematicians, it sticks to the roof of the mouth.
H-Town represent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXBgSCSrIk
"It's not stifling speech at all. Reason"
1) WE'RE TALKING ABOUT "WARTY" STIFLING SPEECH IDIOT, LEARN TO READ.
2) It is stifling speech, it is a suggestion to place barriers on speaking, which is by definition stifling it.
3) no one said anything about freedom of speech idiot, learn to read.
4) I never claimed anything about reason or their property fuckwit.
You fail totally.
Oh, how CUTE! It's pretending it has a right to be heard on a privately-owned website!
Folks, this thing has *really* been trying. We should at least give it a round of applause. Give it up for it!
We should at least give it a round of applause.
How about a slow golfclap instead?
That may be too kind, JMW.
AM I FREE TO GAMBOL ABOUT THE WHITE TOWER?
All your gambol are belong to us.
Somebody set us up the city-STATE.
You have been since the end of book 12.
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
ding ding ding ding
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type.
For example, before (and basically even for a long time after the writing of) Wm. Burroughs, both the popular and the intellectual image of the "dope fiend" and of the homosexual were not of someone exercising will and choice, but of a rare type with something wrong with them acting practically involuntarily.
Note also that the present "religious right" in the USA did not exist before the 1970s. It arose in response to court decisions that legalized abortions and most pornography, and a political economic environment of inflation and a jump in taxes & gov't spending.
Maybe rectal is upset because no one will take her to the zoo.
She's just plum dumb.
Anybody wonder why the serious people who used to comment here have bailed?
I think most of us regulars here agree with Matt's ambivalence to both groups - even though both have some redeeming points.
The problem is that populism (left or right) is not based in reason but in emotion, and it leads many people down paths of idiocy many of us aren't willing to follow them down.
Birthers, anti-Semites, nativists, conspiracy theorists, racists, class warriors, people lacking awareness of their own cognitive dissonance and other specimens of mental simplicity are rampant on both teams, and they add a yuck factor to what were already vaguely defined and amorphous movements with unclear goals.
The Tea Party is an purportedly anti-government movement where many want the government to leave Medicare or Social Security unscathed and to boost military and border enforcement spending. Thus, most would like to trim around the edges and give Obama a few political slaps on the cheek, but really don't want to make the hard decisions to seriously and permanently wound big government. The Occupy movement is an anti-corporatist movement that utterly fails to see the true basis for corporatism and in fact their vague political solutions would often make this very system even worse. More arbitrary government control = more corporatism.
It's completely rational to be upset about the government and corporations manipulating the political-economic system that we are forced by law to pay for and submit to. But anger should not be the basis for a political philosophy, for starters because anger turns people into raving lunatics. Rational political philosophies follow a rational moral and ends-oriented structure. Temper tantrums, while justified, are not a real solution to the problem.
The problem is that populism (left or right) is not based in reason but in emotion, and it leads many people down paths of idiocy many of us aren't willing to follow them down. There are two main reasons for this Proprietist:
1) Every voter is a single issue voter. Though most will protest to the contrary, there is one issue for each of them from which they will not yield, regardless of the argument or counter argument presented. The current issue for most is they don't have enough money for the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, and will resort to governmental theft to maintain it and will very easily rationalize the outcome.
2) All of the logical fallacies serve a very important purpose in rhetorical "debate" and in practical life in general: All those logical fallacies are what turn minds. You can present the most sound, cogent, or tautological, self-evident argument with nary a flaw, but if does not square with the emotional perception of how a given solution will solve a given problem, then the target audience will reject the elegant, logical argument. You must win a heart to win a mind.
Case in point: taxing the "rich" more while still maintaining the concept of a capitalist system. It's a emotional position that polls very well, though logically and arithmetically, it doesn't work and never will. People in their individual situations may realize that numerically there are no where near enough "millionaires and billionaires" to tax to make up budget shortfalls for current spending levels, but emotionally they don't care and feel rationally that taking from others under the guise of compassionate governance is perfectly moral and acceptable, i.e. "The end justifies the means."
Jefferson has been proven correct over and over, and yet collectively, we fail to heed his warning.
fair dinkum, mate, but crikey how do you put that into 140 characters
I hear you doc, but I really wonder if that "single issue" you cite is accurate. Honestly, how many people do you know that do not have the same lifestyle they had 4-5 years ago? My answer would be "very few.". And the ones I do know that are in that boat are there because of their own actions, not some vague notion of "the economy" or "Wall Street."
Nearly every person had the opportunity to stay in the market and see their portfolio gain almost every penny back. Not a single person had a gun to their temple when they signed the mortgage to their McMansion. And I don't know a single one that lost their job because of corporate greed, downsizing or any other reason unrelated to performance.
I do agree with most people having one issue they refuse to bend on. I just disagree on what that issue is for most people. Hell, I'd put abortion at the top of the list ahead of lifestyle maintenance...for both pro-life and pro-choicers.
Nearly every person had the opportunity to stay in the market and see their portfolio gain almost every penny back. Not a single person had a gun to their temple when they signed the mortgage to their McMansion. And I don't know a single one that lost their job because of corporate greed, downsizing or any other reason unrelated to performance.
Every point you make, sloopy, is correct, but serve to further prove my point: regardless of how or why those people ended up in the situation they are are in, and regardless of who's fault it is, ehy will not, and I repeat, will not give it up without a fight.
Another case in point: The Wisconsin Public Sector collective bargaining brouhaha. Even though those teachers were not adversely affected mathematically and education has not blown up, the perception is education and benefits have been decimated and destroyed.
When it comes down to it, you can be given a million reasons to vote for someone, but when you pull the lever, there is only one that occupies your mind when you do.
I guess I misread your original post. You're right, of course. In this day and age, when personal responsibility is a novelty, most everybody is willing to fuck somebody else to get what they want, whether it's a free house, forgiven debt (be they student loans or TARP money) or reduced credit card rates.
Dollar cost averaging FTW.
You could also just argue that most everyone is a conservative in the sense that at the end of the day they don't want to accept any real changes that would upend their way of life and the way business is done completely in order to fix the system that they know deep down is killing them anyway. They want to whine and point fingers and leave all the burden on anyone else, when the fault really lies within themselves for perpetuating the status quo.
This is also true; this is the single issue to that which I was referring, and overlaps more than any other issue and falls under the umbrella of "The Economy."
I see this thought process and rationale every day in some fashion in the medical world, and that is one of the reasons my outlook would be considered grim and often expressed in a profane manner.
1) Every voter is a single issue voter
Damn straight!
Another Friday news drop from the scandal free and honest Obama administration:
http://campaign2012.washington.....yndra-docs
I saw that earlier, but decided to avoid this thread for a while.
Can I try that the next time I get subpoena'd?* The "Most Transparent Administration" just flaunts the Rule of Law in more ways than I can imagine.
1. Libya bombing w/o Congressional authorization.
2. Drone murder of an American citizen w/o due process.
3. Flatly refusing a legitimate subpoena.
And that's just in the last month. Had this been the Bush admin, people would be out for blood...and rightly so.
*I haven't been in any real trouble with the law, so I don't expect to get the chance.
Right, I didn't know you could cite "partisanship" as a reason for dodging subpenas.
Don't laugh. I have a city councilor that (thankfully lost her primary, so it's no longer an issue) did that very thing and gave both the Bronx cheer and The Bird to a subpoena. And got away with it scot free.
It happens at both the state AND local level. Not coincidentally, she is also totally on board with OWS'ers and actually suggested waiving daily permit requirements, park curfews and insurance fees for all the "protesting" going on here in Tulsa Town. Tulpy Poo (blame Banjos, not me.)
I will gladly take the blame when I have successfully influenced people where it most matters, in music and alcohol influenced nicknames.
LOL no problem, diminutive Mediterranean goddess. The trip down punk/nu wave/ska memory lane was most enjoyable and The Commodore needs a soft, plush Cabbage Patchy nickname. Tulpy Poo works nicely.
Oh man, this video is so perfect for this and I'm forced to post it in this shitty thread hours after the fact?
Goddamn it.
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I know they didn't start it by any means but this Friday evening bullshit really pisses me off. I don't know if I'm more angry with the politicians that pull that shit or the media for playing along with the idea that something can be released on Friday and be buried by Monday.
The modus operandi is, I believe, a response to conservative talk radio, as the more influential hosts take the weekends off. Like 'em or hate 'em, they do serve a function, since most of them dislike this administration immensely and will point out its flaws quickly. Some of those hosts also purport to dislike "Establishment GOP'ers"; as pointed out by others upthread, the goals of TEAM RED and TEAM BLUE are not entirely dissimilar.
Probably but I think it is because most influential media types take the weekend off (tv hosts and newspaper journalists as well). Both parties use it regularly so I don't know if it can just be conservative talk radio. I'd be interested in learning which political adviser came up with it and when.
A derivative of that is when Perry released his economic plan two days (on a Thursday, not a Friday) after the last debate when he knew that there was a relatively big period of time until the last time. RP in contrast released his the day before the debate. It was a blatantly obvious piece of gamesmanship by Perry.
PUT UP THE CAVANAUGH SIGNAL!
We were calling for the "Saturday Stemwinder" last week, so it's time to get the spotlight up.
Here it is, but I never got a consensus on it.
Can the few sane members here get a vote in please?
It would be a fruitless exercise but it would put less stress on my browser by dividing up the insanity so sure. (seriously, last weeks thread wrecked havoc every time I loaded it up)
FUCK, even the few on-topic comments suck on this shit-sewer of a thread.
Kill 'em
Try these boots on for size.
SUSPECT DEVICE!
I dunno, my threads don't have that much quality music.
It does now 😛
I have to admit, this isn't bad.
Gambol
Meh. Needs more grape flavor. I take it you did not care for my recommendations.
I wish we could just go back to the Lucy thread. That was pretty fun, but you could see it getting polluted with this bullshit after a while.
It's just a fucking shame that we have to put up with this shit. And yes, I post my share of goofy shit, but (true as it all may be) it's all in good fun. These stupid assholes aren't out to provoke laughs. They're out to destroy the fucking site.
I swear, I'm getting close to pulling out for a while. And I never pull out.
That's why you have 18 years of monthly payments sloop'.
No. He. Di'n't!
**Looks at Wells Fargo Statement**
FUCK!
Think of what you could do with all that $$$, if only you'd just cum in her mouth.
Or go Greek.
Both usually happened, because I followed Sarah Palin's advice: "Don't retreat. Instead, reload!"
She apparently doesn't follow her own advice. See Jerome Tanner, Who's Nailin' Palin?, Hustler Productions (November 4, 2008), http://figureitoutforyourself.com
I see you are prolific in your sloopery sloping, young gun. Carry wisely and make sure the safety is on at all times.
That might solve your younger women "problem" for you.
There's a "go younger until it isn't a problem any more" joke in there somewhere.
But I'm not gonna be the one to make it.
I swear, I'm getting close to pulling out for a while.
At this point, it would be better if they just killed off commenting. You all know it's true.
strewth
Where else would I get my Warty fix?
Wait, that didn't sound right.
Yeah, but it did sound earnest.
I swear, I'm getting close to pulling out for a while. And I never pull out.
Lame. There's still time to salvage your fantasy football season.
Bastard.
Perhaps an alternate secret site that duplicates the original H&R posts but requires logins/authentication/IP reporting to post. Would Reason fight this?
yes it is (bad)
WORST. THREAD. EVER.
This is starting to remind me of the old Baseball Primer days. The open commenting system was great fun at times, because it could lead to some truly inspired mocking.
But it became so easily abused as the site gained in popularity that it eventually became the mess that this thread (and the worse thread from last weekend) is.
Wish I knew the solution to keeping the good and ditching the bad. Ain't got one. Spamming, regardless of content, just destroys the readability of comment sections.
There was a WORSE thread last weekend? Thank god I missed it.
And no, don't post the link. Be kind to people's brains, and not their morbid curiosities.
I'm pretty sure there is well over 1000 comments now, likely around 700 from the same person.
Ah the Madonna thread. I still think this one's worse.
...I mean, at least that had some decent rational debate about whether Libertarian values allow us to judge miserly hypocrites. Of course, turns out Madonna had damn good reason not to give him anything, and his dad had damn good reason to fire him.
Is it too late to complain about reason advertising on MSNBC in an attempt to expand the readership?
That'd be akin to the Jews waiting until after Potsdam to bitch about their broken shop windows.
hit & run was better when commentators were drunkenly linking to music videos on youtube. Cancel my subscription!
No, I was thinking the Michael Moore thread from the weekend before Halloween.
Because it was virtually all spam.
Conservatives may not have much to offer to libertarians but the democrats / team blue are a complete disaster.
liberaltarianism was a reality challenged concept from the start
Apropos of nothing, this comment comes to you via my new PS3. Typing on the controller is a pain.
How's that?
try one of these
http://www.reghardware.com/200....._keyboard/
I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights.
Then, what is his position on healthcare, and what is yours Matt?
What position do you have when you fart in a jar?
Thinking about a keyboard, but the browser's a bit of a pain on its own.
agree, not worth it. but any usb keyboard will do.
Oh, cool--thanks.
Then, what is his position on healthcare, and what is yours Matt?
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OH HI MISS RECTAL I MISSED YOU AT THE COTILLION DINNER TONIGHT. I HOPE YOU WERE NOT TAKEN SICK. I FOUND YOU THIS FLOWER THAT LOOKS PRETTY CAN YOU PUT IT IN YOUR HAIR?
Please go away!
MINUS. . .FIVE. . .STARS!
Try tasting it
Heheh Neil Patrick Harris looks more like me every week. Hehehe
Harris, Harold and Kumar do E in the new movie and have a 3 way.
My popcorn got greasy.
I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and my butt smells and I like to pick my own butt.
I don't pick my butt. I harvest useful methane gas that can be used to power a car, cook a meal, scare away animals, etc. Fart in a jar and try it yourself.
At least you trolls only ruin one thread a day. I thought this post was excellent. So excellent it ought to have generated some solid commentary. As soon as I see the rectal taint on a thread though, fuck it. Not even worth a skim.
Somehow the commentariat has spawned an unholy troll-strosity. How much longer will this endure?
Shoot, I miss the days when our top troll was Tony, at least he made coherent arguments and wasn't here just to make the comments section unreadable.
Uhhhh... take a look at any thread today with over 100 comments.
at least I only look at one thread a day
Drunk. But who's counting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqfpkTTy2w
I'm counting links to shit music.
Stevie Williams knows what color an asshole is, but doesn't know that he's a racist dick.
A little early Ska for the masses.
Enjoy.
I think this is the worse thread that I've ever read here. Fuck, there are threads at Mother Jones that read better.
Rectal needs to be banned.
Seconded.
Thirdeded.
Fisted
Super small government really messes up the methods and processes of Republicans. But the rhetoric itself is only opposed to some of their political goals (drugs, gays, immigrants) and is pretty consistent with other political goals (saying nice things about small government and freedom, like Reagan and the Founders).
The Democrats, however, are fundamentally at odds with super small government. It not only conflicts with their methods, it conflicts with their political goals. They believe in having a large and powerful government to smooth out the kinks in society. Libertarianism is irreconcilable with the goals of the Democratic party. The nominal hard-left goals (easing poverty and aiding the dispossessed) are totally compatible with even the total absence of government, but the center-left is pretty irrevocably tied to active government.
I've known a lot of friends and family who think it's somehow unfair libertarians lean Republican more often than Democratic. But where Republicans think libertarianism is totally unrealistic but well-meaning, Democrats find libertarianism exactly the sort of political evil they most despise.
The legit original Tea Party folks and the legit OWS folks have far more in common than the media is noting. Both detest government welfare. Both believe in giving people a hand up, rather than a hand out. Both hate how a few amoral, unethical folks in finance and big business have basically given the taxpayer the finger, by begging for a bail out and then once they got it they told the government to take a hike that they would do what they damn well wanted. And if I hear one more politician bemoan jobs being shipped overseas when its the politicians who created the laws that encourage companies to do so, for tax breaks, I will scream!
Meanwhile the majority in both the Tea Party and OWS movement were playing by the rules, and instead of punishing the wrong doers its akin to a teacher telling the class that as long as the kid who was wrong doesn't step and take responsibility, the whole class will be punished. Never mind that the whole class was present when the kid did what he/she did. Heck I have begged some OWS sane folks to please learn from the legit original Tea Party folks on how to get things done. And I have begged a few of the later Tea Party folks to not lump everyone who is getting food stamps in together with the few who are generational food stamp users. The rise in food stamp use as an example is because the middle class who paid by the rules, are now losing jobs, getting hours cut and the only way to feed their families is with food stamps.
We need to start building some damn bridges rather than walls, because the elite few who are the amoral, unethical folks are laughing all the way to the bank. The only positive is history shows what happens to the amoral, unethical elites.
Comments here at Reason have become a strange place. Anyway...
Wilkinson says, "complaining about handouts for poor people sitting on their asses and praising rich people working hard to make civilization possible..." My question is, why do people keep trying to pin libertarianism to complaining about the poor and praising the rich? We stick up for the poor and complain about the rich all the damn time. When the rich get government deals, we complain. When the rich get government handouts, we complain. When the government screws the poor, we complain. When the government makes being poor easy and getting out of poverty difficult, we complain. And a bare minimum of paying attention to what libertarians actually say would bear this out.
So why do so many people get this so completely wrong?
The healthcare issue is my reason I dislike libertarianism -private charity can't do it.
I give food to a foodbank once a week, and they are barely able to keep up with the demand.
Fuck off canker-blossom
I give food to a foodbank once a week, and they are barely able to keep up with the demand.
Due to your withdrawals being significantly larger and more frequent than your deposits.
And also once a week, a donate a case of farts in jars to the local methane for kids collection.
[PETITION]
Dear Reason:
As we see with our country today, there comes a time when desperate measures are required to save something great from the abusive and horrific forces within. Unfortunately for Hit and Run, today is such a day, and this thread is evidence laid bare.
It is with great solemnity that we request that you bring out the weapon of final resort, the banhammer, upon the skull of the Troll of Many Names who primarily refers to itself as "rather".
Be assured that we do not make this request lightly: indeed we have many resident concern trolls and racist drifters who like to crash our Reason hangouts from time to time. Nor would we ever ask this of someone who genuinely disagrees with us in good faith, or even most people who disagree in bad faith.
No, this is a case where every single time we try to throw a party, one specific uninvited monosynaptic cretin decides to show up and shit in the punchbowl for laffs. And not just a dribble or two - we're talking explosive diarrhea in the punchbowl.
Of course we should feel sorry for its extreme developmental difficulties, its complete lack of social skills or human decency and its extremely explosive bowels. We have tried being reasonable, and we do pity it, but surely almost all Reason regulars have had enough of drinking its worm-filled-shit-flavored punch. All attempts to get it to leave peacefully have been for naught. We can't incif her, because she constantly changes names. It is severely impacting the user experience and dragging Reason down to the depths of total debasement.
If Reason fails to ban her, we will have to consider further free market
...alternatives like boycotts, hunger strikes and "Occupy the Jacket's House".
It is a time of great danger. Danger of losing both our country, and our favorite website. Please, Reason, won't you think of the children?
WE ARE THE 99%!!!11!1!
Your humble slave,
Proprietist
(Sign below if you agree, comrades.)
Below
Other H&R commenter collectives in the past have formed register only alternatives to H&R.
The attempt to limit trollish behavior on a public site, however, is probably futile. If somebody lives for the chance to disrupt libertarians talking about the stuff they're interested in, no amount of registration will put an end to that.
We've suffered waves of trolls before. I remember when they were mostly neocons--hating on us for supposedly being terrorist sympathizers and traitors to our country.
We'll weather this too, but we had a few advantages before. One of them was that we didn't pointlessly antagonize the trolls. Doesn't mean we didn't disagree with them, but hammering somebody for being wrong is a lot different from just pointlessly hammering somebody.
MAKING H&R COMMENTERS GO ALL CAPS WITH LISTS OF PERSONAL INSULTS is what trolls live for. Everybody who responds to personal insults like that--even if they're longtime reasonoids--is part of the problem.
i.e., responding to infantile personal attacks rationally is never the cause of the problem and sometimes part of the solution.
There are a number of regular commenters here who I remember originally showed up to denounce us for various things. They didn't go from trolls to participants because everybody emulated their troll behavior.
Some of the intolerance for other people's positions has gotten so bad around here, that people are going after Matt for not being a real libertarian now?!
I'm not directing any of this at Propertist--it's others around here.
Just because somebody doesn't agree with whatever point, doesn't mean it's anybody responsibility to drive them off the site with personal attacks and ridicule.
We're just throwing kerosene on the fire. There are a bunch little kids on this site now, who seem to think libertarianism is somehow a cultural identity--and it's their job to enforce conformity in H&R thought through personal attacks and ridicule.
This has, in turn, created the troll monsters we have with us today. The trolls will always be with us--registration or no registration. If we can't stop ourselves from acting like trolls, we're creating a troll magnet. ...and this thread is what we get.
Some of the people I see complaining about the trolls--are the same people who pile personal insults on anybody who disagrees with them. It's like they think the difference between a troll and a commenter is just whether they agree with that person's comments.
So, I don't blame the trolls we're dealing with now. I blame those Hit & Run regulaors around here who pile personal attacks on anybody--libertarian or otherwise--that doesn't tow whatever that particular Hit Runner imagines is the libertarian line.
Why does anyone feel it necessary to personally attack people for disagreeing with them? I don't know, but the only reason somebody would feel it necessary to return insults for insults is because they're little kids. ...just out of high school.
See, I can live with the MNG-John bitchfests, White Indian's off topic anti-civilization drivel, the occasional Max Ron Paul phallic joke, the racist Slappy posts, Tony's disingenuity in his claimed devil's advocacy. It adds character and humor to a site to have a certain number of regular trolls.
I just think Rather, specifically, has a problem or an obsession with making Reason not a fun place to be at. She's not entertaining, adds nothing to the conversation (in fact she destroys it), has a fucking BLOG about the commenters here (WTF?), etc. She's like the stalker intent on destroying your life.
I find Reason to be one of the best forums on the internet and the regulars here are mostly great fun. I've never asked for anyone to be banned, especially not for differences of opinion. Rather has a serious problem, an addiction even, and the banhammer would probably be best for both parties in this specific case.
I appreciate all of that. And keeping a blog of people's comments is pretty weird.
But pointlessly antagonizing the weirdness, like some people do, is counter-productive--the effort against the trolling, SCREAMING ACCUSATIONS IN ALL CAPS, is often worse than the trolling itself. ...and provoking those OVERBLOWN reactions is probably the whole purpose of the trolling anyway.
Until people stop reacting inappropriately, things aren't about to get any better. Registration won't help either. If we're dealing with someone, who for some strange reason goes to the trouble of keeping a blog with all our comments, then we're probably dealing with someone who would be unfazed by having to take the time to re-register before making every troll attempt.
Instead of concentrating on trying to make someone strange act like a normal person, I think we should concentrate on what we really can control.
Our own behavior!
We're never gonna get insane people to behave rationally, but we should be able to ask the sane among us not to go all nutty every time the kooks show up.
In a forum where we don't personally attack other people for what they think, this kind of trolling would generally be minimal. And, you know, I don't speak for the Reason Foundation, but it seems to me that the purpose of the site is to get the libertarian message out to the masses--whoever wants to show up.
Matt and KMW and Gillespie and Tim and all the rest are out there invading the airwaves--and every time they hit the air, I bet, people come here to the site to check them and our message out. Some of them come here because they disagree with us--and that's perfect!
We should be more welcoming to people who disagree with us--libertarianism doesn't come to people through prayer or meditation. You gotta talk to people who know something about it if we have any hope of getting the word out at all. I sure as hell didn't always know everything I do now.
And, anyway, in rather's case, it looks to me like she's especially giving it back with interest on what she's been getting. She may be a bit trollish to begin with, but I still think it's our own behavior--from people who should know better--that's pushed the knob on the amp up to eleven.
Just because rather tells us to jump up and down and make fools of ourselves doesn't mean we have to.
Oh, I think we should absolutely allow and engage people who disagree with us. Even though they are disingenuous as fuck, I engage Tony and WI all the time, probably out of masochism.
This is not about that at all. This about Rather, who is far more than "a bit trollish".
Look at this thread. It's an embarrassment, and anyone expecting to come here for an honest, rational debate over a liberaltarian alliance has to put up with a pointless fucking 100-post thread about anagrams - that rather has copy-pasted in full at least twice. Inviting everyone to the party doesn't mean we have to put up with someone shitting in the punchbowl and then laughing at us. It won't allow us to ignore it, and every time a rational point starts, she decides to take a fat dump on it.
We've all been very patient, but its making Reason unenjoyable and, like Cartman's BMI, bringing down the net IQ of this place immensely and making the rest of us suffer needlessly.
Just for the record, I'm not trying to defend rather specifically.
That behavior is indefensible.
I'm just trying to say that there are people throwing kerosene on that fire (you're not one of them), and that if they stopped doing that, the rather situation would be better than it is.
It's not just rather that gets personally attacked though. When I was talking about John and joe, I didn't mean to compare them to rather. It was meant as an example of good stuff that can happen when we tolerate people who may disagree with us on one point or another...
Lately, I've seen people who apparently consider themselves libertarians go after fellow libertarians in much harsher terms than we used to go after non-libertarians who came around to cause trouble...just a few years ago.
"Lately, I've seen people who apparently consider themselves libertarians go after fellow libertarians in much harsher terms than we used to go after non-libertarians who came around to cause trouble"
Oh, this is very true and has been my constant criticism of the libertarian movement and Party. However, this is not a new phenomenon at all. Murray Rothbard poisoned the well, and now if you're not a purist anarchocapitalist paleoconservative, you're not REALLY a libertarian. There's a whole site devoted to the continuation of this mindset (Lew Rockwell), and they particularly hate Reason for exposing Rockwell's role in the Ron Paul newsletters. (Of course, we're the ones that have to put up with Max for some reason...)
Even with the internal bickering, Reason and Cato are definitely the more moderate voices in the movement, which is absolutely critical to growing the movement into something that can actually change things in a libertarian direction.
None of this is contradictory to the argument that we have to do something about Rather. This isn't an ideological or personal disagreement, it's a recognition that she is intent on being as destructive of the enjoyment of this site as possible. Yes, the regulars fuel the fire. But what can we do? We can't ignore her. We can't have a conversation without her interruption. She blogs about commenters like a stalker creep. We have no real choice, and the banhammer would probably be for her own good as well as ours. She has serious issues, an unquenchable addiction to making the best blog on the net into a piece of garbage.
....drivel?
When did pro-freedom, anti-regulation, pro-legitimiate-property, and principled anti-Statism ever become drivel
Are you one of those city-STATISTS, Proprietist?
Its off-topic because it specifically has nothing to do with the topic at hand most times you post, and drivel because you refuse to engage in honest debate and distort what libertarians actually believe to make your arguments. Then when you get called on it you disappear.
"I can live with the MNG-John bitchfests"
My memory could be faulty, and I'm not saying John's a troll...
But if I remember correctly, when John first started showing up around here, it was to tell us how wrong we all were about the Iraq War.
John's a regular now...according to anybody, right?
Trying to chase John off the site with persistent personal attacks and ridicule would have been a stupid thing to do. Even if John still doesn't agree with us on a lot of things, he's an asset now. He's an interpreter of libertarianism to all his friends, coworkers and family--people who think a lot like he does.
joe was like that too--to a completely different audience. He wasn't a libertarian, but he was an interpreter of libertarians to like minded progressives such as himself. He was a secret agent--secret even to himself.
We lost a big asset when we lost joe.
I agree, I'm glad John's still around and I miss Joe, but Rather will never be an asset and she will never contribute anything productive. There's a big distinction between annoying trolls and a sadistic and schizophrenic stalker retard, which Rather somehow manages to be all at once.
Not to mention, but who is rather going to "interpret" us to? If it had any friends to talk to, it wouldn't act that way.
It reminds me of a girl who used to live next door. She was a hateful and sniveling creature, so none of the kids in the neighborhood would play with her. She kept trying more and more desperate methods of gaining attention, all of them guaranteed to draw merely negative focus if they were even acknowledged.
Eventually she resorted to throwing rocks, which of course gained her projectiles in return.
Please tell me that you have the logic of a 13 year old because you are a 13 year old
"Not to mention, but who is rather going to "interpret" us to? If it had any friends to talk to, it wouldn't act that way."
Like I said elsewhere, I'm not defending rather.
I'm attacking those among us who feel it necessary to personally attack people for not towing whatever they perceive as the libertarian group-think.
This is what created the environment that makes rather possible. If people weren't constantly personally attacking each other--rather's antics would find little soil to grow in.
In fact, what rather is doing to the rest of us? Is the flip side of what people are doing to rather.
Again, I'm not defending rather--rather's behavior is indefensible. But it isn't that different from what some of our fellow libertarians are doing to rather.
Spoofing rather's account?! Spewing insults at rather in ALL CAPS?! If we do stuff like that to a weird troll, what do you expect the trolls to do back?
Quote Rothbard?!
Take a look at this thread from yesteryear...
http://reason.com/blog/2005/11.....tcontainer
Do you imagine a thread like that is even possible these days?
What's the difference?
There are a few. Some of the worst of my fellow libertarian trolls--who troll outsiders around here today? I suspect many of them were still in junior high when that thread happened.
Some of the people we're dealing with today are little high school kids.
But the other thing is that people respected the idea that just because somebody disagrees with me, doesn't mean mean you have to turn in your decoder ring--or that you're a bad person. We're all pretty much on the same side here.
The other thing is that when people do personally attack each other in those threads back then? We didn't go ballistic with the personal attacks back. Some people would start ignoring each other--and that was a whole lot better than this!
So, yeah, the trolls have always been with us and always will be. The solution isn't trying to make the trolls change and not be trolls anymore--because that will never happen.
The solution is the sane rest of us not overreacting to trolls. The solution is not antagonizing new people around here by attacking them personally just because they don't agree with us. If we cut that out?
More than half of the troll problems would go away.
With White Indian, the more I've engaged with him in a reasonable manner, the better he treats me! We have honest disagreements, and the few times he's called me names have been after other people ganged up on him and antagonized him.
I don't think I've ever had more than one short forgettable altercation with rather either...
Not pointlessly antagonizing people with personal attacks--and not reacting to their personal attacks irrationally, that's the solution to this. That's always been the solution--going back to 2003 at least.
So don't blame the trolls. They'll always be with us. Blame our fellow regulars who pointlessly antagonize the trolls into a frenzy. The existence of trolls may not be the way the world should be, but if that's the way the world is? Then it's our own fault if we don't behave rationally.
But let's not pretend it didn't bring the bulk of this on itself. I recall when it first appeared. Anyone who disagreed was instantly flamed with references to their masculinity and genitalia.
Oh, I agree with you about the responses. I just sneer and move on.
Again, I'm not defending rather--rather's behavior is indefensible.
Tell me what that behavior is?
You're astute enough to recognize I'm spoofed but yet you are personally able to know which remarks to attribute to me?
Either you're a lousy psychic, or you are actually what you critize, and more so, because you claim to know right from wrong
-I'm altogether not sure your fellow libertarians have the maturity to know the difference
Were you always this goofy, Ken? I seem to remember a non hippie version of you on this forum in years past. What happened, man? And for the love of all that is real, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back by mistaking it for maturing. Something happened there.
No, I was never a hippie. Where I came from, calling someone a hippie or a long hair was about the worst thing you could call someone. ...except for maybe "poser".
And like I said, I'll slam someone for being wrong as hard as anyone--probably harder.
But there's a big difference between slamming someone for being wrong--or morally pathetic--and slamming someone just for the sake of slamming.
The Torture Apologist, TARP Supporting, Public Employee Union, Malthusian, Progressive Brigade is still on my list--because they're wrong and immoral.
Not because they're rather. You don't just pointlessly pound on someone and antagonize them just because they're rather.
People who disagree with Ken Shultz should feel welcome to argue with Ken Shultz. Hell, I've learned a lot from people I disagree with around here over the years. I liked this place a lot better when there were more people around who disagreed with me!
Having smart people who disagree with you to scrutinize your thinking--makes you smarter. Sitting in an environment where everyone just personally attacks anyone who disagrees with some imagined party line has the opposite effect.
I want the Hit and Run comment section that used to make me smarter back. ...back from the people who think they're defending it from the trolls but are really making it worse than it would be without their help.
Maybe it's a California thing that you'll tolerate even those who try to destroy you. You say you would like the old Hit'n'Run back because it was full of smart conversation, and you say you don't wont a ban on WI, but you can't have both. People are leaving and continuing to leave because we are not all saints (or hippie saints) who'll put up with any damn thing.
Yeah, well, obviously if I'm in California, that must explain what's wrong with me...
Actually, I'm from Maryland, went to high school in Virginia.
I do think there's a direct relationship between how intelligent we are about listening to people who disagree with us--and the IQ of the conversation. And it's seems unreasonable to expect an organization that exists to spread the libertarian gospel to the masses--to shut itself off to the general public though banning people and registration?
See! Attack me personally for California (for some reason), and I just respond with reason. I'm not perfect, but being reasonable isn't that hard. ...even when people dismiss your views because of where you live.
That is exactly what I would expect a Californian to say.
Also, you didn't answer the question concerning what went wrong with you, so you forced me to speculate. You were a rebel angel at one time. You would have been the first to punch WI in the face. By blaming your environment for what it has done to you, I was at least giving you an excuse.
I wonder if H/R's posts could have a dustbin with sweep/needs sweeping buttons.
That's why end-user filtering is the best option. From the troll's POV, they're able to post their crap, but they don't get any response.
Unfortunately the filters out there right now have easily exploitable weaknesses.
Don't ask me, I'm a mathematician, not a web programmer.
No. No bannings. No registration.
If you think this is chaos, wait until this forum's character, flow, and exchange changes for the worse when it loses its free-form nature, and succumbs to the fake, false security of registration. Any idiot troll can register multiple fake IDs, mask their IP, and to pretend otherwise is to just encourage and empower them to become more devious and bide their time waiting for higher stakes opportunities to muck things up.
And the editorial redactions, outright deletions, and hand-wringing that always accompanies moderated/registered comments totally corrupts the forum's content and any semblance of openness or transparency. At least now it's all out in the open, and everyone knows what's going on, and no one - Reason and commenters alike - can pretend otherwise. "No policy" is the best policy.
Many comment forums that suck suck precisely because of the tended-garden effect that registration causes. (DailyKos, BloggingHeads, I'm looking at you) If you want static, curated content, buy the printed magazine and read the letters to the editor. They're boring.
Also, fuck threaded comments.
If you want a good example of what you described vis a vis registration, just look at the comment section at Zerohedge. That was an awesome free-flowing exchange at one point, and ever since it went the registration route, the comment sections are extremely turgid, usually dominated by about 10-12 posters.
Sounds like MediaMatters. They have roughly the same amount of Divine Truthsayers, and they're all Team Blue.
And, MM uses registration.
How could getting rid of Rather, specifically, change the blog for the worse? Did you actually read the comments above (under the names Coeus, ..., Reality, Cry More Bitch, etc)?
I'm not really for or against registration, and I seriously don't want to bring out banhammer. But Rather is like the Josef Mengele of trolls, as I said earlier - insistent on torture and total destruction of our favorite blog on the net. We can't block her or ignore her, and confronting her feeds her ego and makes it worse.
Don't forget, getting banned is a badge of honor for trolls. It says "Yes I did take it to another level." I say we give it to her.
Welch wrote a decent self-referential/self-reflective piece about "psychological linchpins" of libertarianism and factionalism, and lo-and-behold, the comment section explodes in self-referential factionalism, ideological quibbling, and various psycho(logical?) outbursts. If you think some trolls messed it up, you're missing out. (What were you pining for anyway - more cosmotarianism vs liberaltarianism vs whocareswhatitscalledarianism circle-jerkery?)
"Did you actually read the comments above (under the names Coeus, ..., Reality, Cry More Bitch, etc)?"
Ha! No. Why, did you??? Did anyone? Do you really think *anyone* actually read them? If they did, they've got much bigger problems than a few trolls. As for me, I have a scroll wheel on my mouse that works pretty well.
"insistent on torture and total destruction of our favorite blog on the net"
What's "rather" destroying or disrupting? A conversation that you wanted to be one way, but others took in another direction? Are "threadjacks" disruptive? Posting too much? Name calling? Hurting people's feelings? Being stupid? What's being destroyed? It's all here - as far as I can tell she can't modify or delete other people's comments.
I recently posted a completely innocuous, non-trollish comment on H&R and a regular rather-feeder responded as though *I* was rather and started a new round of bickering - which she happily joined. I doubt that's the first time that's happened. From what I see, "rather" is responsible for about 10% of the effects attributed to her. The rest is in her detractor's minds and responses, and they (assuming they're not ALL "rather") are getting worked up about a bunch of pixels, and for that, I have to begrudgingly give her high marks. (That said, my favorite H&R commenter/performance artist is/was Hercule Triathlon Savinien.)
This piece of shit thread? This is was the internet is. If you take blogs and blog comments as anything other than a free-form publishing experiment, you're doing it wrong.
"Welch wrote a decent self-referential/self-reflective piece about "psychological linchpins" of libertarianism and factionalism, and lo-and-behold, the comment section explodes in self-referential factionalism, ideological quibbling, and various psycho(logical?) outbursts."
I'm not seeing the meta correlation between Matt's coherent difference of opinion with Will Wilkinson, and the devolvement of this thread into pure mental debasement.
"What were you pining for anyway - more cosmotarianism vs liberaltarianism vs whocareswhatitscalledarianism circle-jerkery?"
No, I'm perfectly fine with liberals, conservatives, even communists coming here for a good debate. But this isn't a debate here. This is a skullfucking warzone of idiocy. I think this is the opinion of the stark majority here.
"As for me, I have a scroll wheel on my mouse that works pretty well."
And the fact that she keeps REPOSTING the 100s of posts in worst part of the thread over and over again? Incif and a scroll wheel works fine with regular trolls. Rather is not a regular troll.
"What's "rather" destroying or disrupting? A conversation that you wanted to be one way, but others took in another direction?"
I don't care what direction the conversation goes, as long as it does not devolve to the depths of pure mental debasement. There is one poster who consistently causes this here.
"My favorite H&R commenter/performance artist is/was Hercule Triathlon Savinien."
At least we agree on something.
The problem with Kos is that they ban/moderate based on political POV rather than disruptive behavior.
Back when Tim Cavanaugh was in charge of the blog, he frequently deleted comments and banned people, and we never had these problems, but it was an extremely diverse community back then. Probably more so than it is now.
Daily Kos sucks because they ignore or bury any story that shows the Obamessiah in a bad light.
It is advertised as "news, views, and abuse", so someone has to hold up that end, right?
I think this troll(s) is getting out of hand.
While I love blogs, I'm not an expert in all the bells and whistles available in their operation.
I think it would nice to have some sort of dustbin to sweep banned comments into. They actually wouldn't be banned -- they would be "ghettoized." I think this would be a nice form of transparency. Some comments would probably have to be deleted for legal reasons, which is understandable.
I remember reading a thread for a eulogy where a comment from MAX was deleted. This is a situation where I think a lot of readers might be curious to see the comment.
The more I think about registration, the more I'm against it. It might be fine (even preferable) to other blogs, but it does seem to go against the title and spirit of "Hit and Run."
...alternatives like boycotts, hunger strikes and "Occupy the Jacket's House".
It is a time of great danger. Danger of losing both our country, and our favorite website. Please, Reason, won't you think of the children?
Your humble slave,
Proprietist
(Sign below if you agree, comrades.)
I didn't do it.
Some libertarian(s) can't stand my challenge to to their religio-economic dogma, and decide to shit up the place to force registration.
Fine, I'll register. I'm consistently pro-freedom and anti-regulation, pro-legitimate-property, and anti-State.
It's hard imagining why that's a problem.
I did it.
Free range comments for armchair anarchists, libertarians, neobarbarians, Reds and Blues, and (ugh) tiny-minded statists who dare to disagree! The Koch boys have thick skin and probably rarely read these comments -- and the editors very rarely ban comments. Something positive in a world filled with negativity.
Anyone is being funny to even suggest registration. And WI isn't usually funny ha ha. Many posters would disappear rather than register. Jaunty Golfer Obama and BushPig Obama wouldn't register, much less Stalinist Cunt Napolitano.
Mother Soros and Daily Soros require registration but look at the little Statists who run them, and try to make sense of an "Occupy" site, most of which are shut down heavy so only "the one percent of the 99%" can slam an opinion.
? I'm consistently pro-freedom, anti-regulation, pro-legitimate property, anti-State.
? I bring incontrovertible evidence from anthropology and archeology that the workings of the State are an inseparable part of the agricultural-city-State. The only people upset are those city-Statists who must cling to their dear dogmas by avoiding reality.
? If you think I'm repetitive, I only bring up the agricultural-city-State when somebody is pissing and moaning about the State. Complaining about the State, but loving the city-State (civilization) is like complaining about noise, but loving jets.
? Don't respond to me if you can't grasp the simple truth that civilization is the aggressor. It's like I'm at a Boeing company picnic, and people are complaining about the noise ruining the picnic, and when I mention the noise is an integral part of the jets flying above, they go apeshit on me.
? I change my name, not to cause confusing, because other people steal it and deliberately spread disinformation under my name, thus I was given a private incentive by libertarians to use the "name" as a "header."
? I'm all for registration too. Libertarians here act like a bunch of angry fundamentalist when I've pointed out to them that the Hebrew priestcraft plagiarized Ugaritic clay tablets written 600+ years before the Torah. Lots of emotion and froth, not much Reason. Seems that some libertarians are quite willing to shit up their own comment sections, and then try to falsely blame the bringer of the truth.
We are always trying to reduce the noise of our jet engines. We are min-noisists.
Fine, Mr. Boeing, I understand. But...
? Don't claim you hold to a zero-noise "principle."
? Don't petulantly continue calling everybody else "damn noisists."
? Realize that you're just like every other flavor of jet advocate, just like the Marxist and Socialist and NeoCon noisemakers.
STFU and agree with me, you-- you-- computer-user!
Luckily, WI has the good example to follow of libertarians who constantly moan about public roads, schools, and welfare programs -- and never use them.
Dude, suck my dick.
You have never once in your fucking idiotic posts talked about the Ugaritic sources of the Old Testament.
Are you trying to convince people that you're a sockpuppet of mine or something?
Blow me asshole.
This is the kind of insidious nonsense that should get you banned.
And also, the real reason you keep changing your name is because you know that people using the Reasonable extension on Chrome can block your posts if you use a consistent name.
So there we have two obvious lies in your little Manifesto. (Even if I may have missed some Old Testament post of yours - which I doubt - there is absolutely no doubt available about why you're changing your name, so we can know with a certainty that at least that one statement is a lie.) Why shouldn't we believe that your other little bullet points are all lies too?
I'm not sure why this Ugaritic stuff matters to you so much, I meant it as illustrating an analogy that Libertarians = Fundamentalist crazies.
But you provide opportunity to prove that you are a damn poor liar, just like the Fundamentalist Crazies, Fluffy. I did indeed once talk about the Ugaritic sources of the Old Testament.
And I'd keep "White Indian" all day -- I'd prefer that -- if it hadn't been stolen and some libertarians use it to shit all over the comment section -- and then blame me.
Libertarians here act like a bunch of angry fundamentalist when I've pointed out to them that the Hebrew priestcraft plagiarized Ugaritic clay tablets written 600+ years before the Torah.
I don't see any debate at that link about the topic at all. Where are the libertarians acting like fundamentalists about it?
You got me - I missed your use of a throwaway line. But your post is claiming that you argued here with libertarians who freaked out about it, and I would have noticed that, if it had actually happened.
I'm bitching about it because, unlike you, I have actually had discussions here about that very topic, and when you claim to incorporate it in your babbling and trolling it might make someone think that we're the same poster.
And I'd keep "White Indian" all day -- I'd prefer that -- if it hadn't been stolen and some libertarians use it to shit all over the comment section -- and then blame me.
I just don't believe you, sorry. It's obvious to everyone that you keep modulating your shields because the Reasonable Borg will block you otherwise.
I'd have less contempt for you if you would just admit it.
Just say, "Hey, fuck you, Fluffy! I'm not going to let you block my posts! I'm going to keep changing my name so you have to see them. Don't like it? Too damn bad, don't come here any more!"
That would be honest and I'd have to concede that your point was well taken. But you just have to lie. That's too bad.
But your post is claiming that you argued here with libertarians who freaked out about it
I didn't claim that; you are making up bullshit.
I'll clarify.
When I've mentioned the Ugaritic origins of Hebrew scriptures among Fundamentalists (not here on Reason), Fundamentalists freak out.
This freaking-out is analogous to Libertarians freaking out when I mention that the State is an integral, inseparable aspect of the agricultural city-State.
You keep your contempt of me. I don't value the admiration of the ignorant.
I suspect you've used the White Indian name in an attempt to falsely discredit it, thus your petulant focus on my switch to using the "name" as a "header."
Blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan.
At least WI has good company.
Daddy never hugged me.
.
Tribal elders, may I sit in on your council and pickle you every two minutes? Hey, hand me! Whatdya mean yer gonna shit me up for good?! My books say yer not violent.
My books say yer not violent.
Incorrect.
Domestication > Agriculture > Civilization intensify violence.
Hey, disgruntled tribe members, can you depict my lynching on an animal skin or something. Wanna make sure future scholars don't get a false impression of our society.
If folks want to "own" a name, would they pay for it? Paid registration, subscription? Maybe the editors would allow ego-stroking avatars, too.
That being said, there is a lot of claim-jumping on names, but grass on a free range? The famous names live even when gone: Lonewacko? Learn to live with chaos. The world is not always an orderly place.
I don't care to "own" it. You have it if you want.
Some Liberards were taking WI and using it to spread disinformation. If you agree with that, have all of it you want too. It's so reasonable.
It's claiming to be the victim of disinformation. So cute'n'fuzzy!
My science, what a clusterfuck.
Tragedy of the Commons.
We need a market-based solution.
You could always hire those nice cyber goons from Kazakhstan you were telling me about, JW. You know, the ones with the granny panty babooshka pr0n. They will work on the cheap, at least before the next QE.
Here's one big reason why Wilkinson is a dick:
The fact that he has any sympathy for OWS at all means that his statement that the Tea Party employs "populist paranoia" should properly be estopped. (That one's for the fans of estoppel out there.) The main OWS critique of American society - "The big banks are evilly conspiring to make us poor" has to be populist paranoia, if the Tea Party critique of American society - "Big government is conspiring with rent-seeking corporations and individuals to make us poor" - is.
And how in holy fucking hell can the Tea Party be accused of "hyperventilating rhetoric" if OWS is not? The Tea Party called for policy solutions that were extreme, but still possible within our current governing context. OWS is calling for total Communist transformation and fundamental constitutional transformation. How can the Tea Party be guilty of hyperventilating rhetoric if OWS is not?
Fluffy
WW is the cosmotarian I always jokingly accuse the Reason writers if being. The Tea Party is guilty and the OWS isn't because WW culturally identifies with the OWS. That is really all there is to it.
And how can any who advises tearing things up and spitting on people accuse anyone else of extremist rhetoric? Go head Will. There are bankers and cops all over DC. What is stopping you?
The intellectual spawn of Will Wilkinson: Violent OWS Protester Arrested At McDonald's, After Refused Free Food
HE'S JUST FORAGING OFF OF THE LAND, YOU BASTARDS!!!
Give a man a free house, and he'll kick out the windows...
The foraging part, or the window-kicking part?
BTW, that line was from this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzFhOslZPM
The foraging part, or the window-kicking part?
BTW, that line was from this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzFhOslZPM
The foraging part, or the window-kicking part?
BTW, that line was from this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzFhOslZPM
One difference between the Occupyists and the Tea Party is that the latter makes more coherent statements in public about what it believes.
I am here at Americans for Prosperity's tea party summit in DC, and a pathetically small group of Occupy people decided to park their 30 or 40 behinds in the middle of a major intersection at 7th St and New York Ave (tweet pic at brucezmajors). they didn't do this while Romney was pitching woo or Cain was cracking jokes about being the Koch brothers' brother from another mother, or even when David Koch appeared. They did it during Judge Andrew Napolitano's speech on the evils of the Patriot Act, to a room full of tea partiers at dinner who probably didn't all agree with him. One loon even got in and shouted incoherent gibberish, one person thought about Thomas Jefferson, at Napolitano. Apparently the Occupiers are dumb enough to let loose during a presentation one would have thought they might agree with. D U M B
Guess I should stick my comment after the 1st iteration of this one, although the 3rd looked tempting!
Bruce, I think you're old enough to remember whose events the Spartacus Youth League ("the Sparts") and, to a lesser extent, the Revolutionary Communist Party chose to disrupt. I think you're a little too young to remember the Nat'l Caucus of Labor Committees' -- LaRouchies' -- similar tactic. It is typical on the "left" to attempt "glomunism", or, next "best", disruption, of those who come closest to the same message you want to project. After all, they're your closest competition. That's because with these movement types it stops being about having allies and becomes about intrigue. They don't want friends, they want lackeys.
One difference between the Occupyists and the Tea Party is that the latter makes more coherent statements in public about what it believes.
I am here at Americans for Prosperity's tea party summit in DC, and a pathetically small group of Occupy people decided to park their 30 or 40 behinds in the middle of a major intersection at 7th St and New York Ave (tweet pic at brucezmajors). they didn't do this while Romney was pitching woo or Cain was cracking jokes about being the Koch brothers' brother from another mother, or even when David Koch appeared. They did it during Judge Andrew Napolitano's speech on the evils of the Patriot Act, to a room full of tea partiers at dinner who probably didn't all agree with him. One loon even got in and shouted incoherent gibberish, one person thought about Thomas Jefferson, at Napolitano. Apparently the Occupiers are dumb enough to let loose during a presentation one would have thought they might agree with. D U M B
One difference between the Occupyists and the Tea Party is that the latter makes more coherent statements in public about what it believes.
I am here at Americans for Prosperity's tea party summit in DC, and a pathetically small group of Occupy people decided to park their 30 or 40 behinds in the middle of a major intersection at 7th St and New York Ave (tweet pic at brucezmajors). they didn't do this while Romney was pitching woo or Cain was cracking jokes about being the Koch brothers' brother from another mother, or even when David Koch appeared. They did it during Judge Andrew Napolitano's speech on the evils of the Patriot Act, to a room full of tea partiers at dinner who probably didn't all agree with him. One loon even got in and shouted incoherent gibberish, one person thought about Thomas Jefferson, at Napolitano. Apparently the Occupiers are dumb enough to let loose during a presentation one would have thought they might agree with. D U M B
"One difference between the Occupyists and the Tea Party is that the latter makes more coherent statements in public about what it believes."
Like "get your government hands off my Medicare!"?
Yes, and isn't it important they delineate the bounds of their demands like that?
Everybody. Get help.
I wanna give raw vegan diet a serious go this time!!! I need to go raw so badly! I haven't even been feeling like myself lately never mind the best, healthiest version of myself
I wanna give raw vegan diet a serious go this time!!! I need to go raw so badly! I haven't even been feeling like myself lately never mind the best, healthiest version of myself
Remember, remember
The fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
Awesome!
Get help.
Remember, remember
the fifth of November
The trolling of reason a lot
I know of no reason
Why the trolling of reason
Should ever be forgot.
FTFY
This thread is bad and you should all feel bad. I can't believe I wasted 10 minutes even attempting to read this crap.
This is why we can't have nice things.
The responses to the trolls are getting as bad as the trolls. This place needs an exterminator. Rather or Orin or whoever the fuck it is is destroying the site. They just need to stop taking the bait
The responses to the trolls are getting as bad as the trolls.
But you won't call them trolls, because you hate the truth White Indian brings (which you call trolling) into the comments.
How's that working out for you?
But you won't call them trolls, because you hate the truth White Indian brings (which you call trolling) into the comments.
You mean the truth that White Primitard wouldn't take up someone's gamboling offer when it was handed to him?
It brings truth? Since when has it posted any truth?
Orin or whoever the fuck it is is destroying the site
Most forums are hopelessly narcissistic and pointless. It just took a while for this one to reach critical mass. But I have the solution: Ignore-a-Troll Day! Hahahaha!
Try reading this on a tablet. Ricockulous.
Hooooley fuckin' hell. Is this Occupy Hit & Run?
How's that, Wallie?
It's the only real logical result.
We've always had trolls, but these new trolls, specifically the rather/WI duo (if it is indeed a duo and not 1 person as many suspect), only aim to basically bring any decent and productive conversation to a complete stop. They don't seek to join the conversation, but dictate it with inanities and pure gibberish. There is no intent on discussing anything.
Not too different from the OWS nonsense.
Frankly, I really wish White Indian was a hell of a lot more serious because I actually enjoy debating well-studied anarchoprimitivists. The problem is that every time you point out his philosophy's complete lack of praxis as proven by his own hypocrisy, and the lack of conflict between libertarianism and primitivism, he scurries away.
Not to mention the fact that he's a one note wonder. If he only brought up his idiocy in the comments of posts that were at least somewhat tangentially related to his rants, it might not be as bad; instead, he shits all over the place, saying the same fucking things over and over.
I fulfilled my masochistic tendencies today by reading both Kathleen Parker and David Brooks. They had essentially the same theme, anti-government and anti-capitalist types are equally culpable for Our National Crises because they refuse to accept the wisdom of moderate centrist. I just fucking love it when these two mamby pambies pretend Bush wasn't their ideal guy, or pretend the Beltway is not still firmly controlled by their ideological brethren. It just warms the heart to see them on that creaky old treadmill pushing forward for the third way cause.
Government for me, but not for thee.
Strawman for me, but not for thee.
Sure. Come in. Thread on my post. Go ahead. Shit anywhere you like. I don't fucking care. Just drag your mangy ass across the carpet. It's a foreclosure anyway.
the Occupy Wall Street movement, which is founded on something like the assumption that individuals are caught in a web of socio-economic forces upon which only the collective action of organized class interests have any influence.
It would be more honest to phrase this thusly:
"the Occupy Wall Street movement is founded on the assumption that individuals who blame their unhappiness on vague philosophical constructs like 'a web of socio-economic forces' ought to gang up and vilify and hopefully use politics to pillage successful people, rather than getting off their arse and using their intelligence to create something of value and get what they desire in return.
I think a lot of them are just confused and ignorant.
They see the world through their own biases, and if I could change their biases with a snap, I'd do so.
...but most of them mean well. Again, they imagine that it's this monolithic faceless 1% that's doing all the damage to the rest of us. They imagine that the damage they want to do will only be suffered by the 1%, who have no right to the money they stole anyway.
They're just confused about the facts of what happened in 2008 and 2009, what the government's role in all of this was, and what the likely consequences would be of what they're advocating.
They think that cranking up taxes on the highest 1% of wage earners, for instance, will create more jobs--I'm almost positive that's what they think!
It's like the old Shakespearean actor's trope--that when you're playing a villain, remember that no villain ever imagines himself a villain. He's just trying to do whatever he thinks is best. I suspect parasites are like that too--very few of them think of themselves as parasites.
Helping them realize what parasites they are is probably the solution to them acting like villains, but I'm not sure we can reach them--or the people who sympathize with them--if we don't at least acknowledge that their intentions are good.
...Are like erectors of barbed-wire fences on the free range.
All your gambol are belong to us.
Somebody set us up the City-State.
and gambol where the bison used to roam, nakedly across the Dakota plains in winter time.
Greatest. Thread. Ever.
Anyway, this is a link:
Where Occupy Wall Street headlines come from.
Wasn't that the salty ham tears thread?
Greatest worst thread ever.
Jest. Nice find.
Every weekend thread is getting progressively worse. And that link was great.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes...and provide for the...general Welfare of the United States.
Sincerely,
The Constitution
P.S. Problem?
See how that piece of paper works?
constitutional???
In your fevered imagination?
no, 98.6% tax, okay!
oh, shut up!!
oh, shut up!
...for city-Statism (civilization.)
Get help.
Oh, snap! It found "general welfare" and thinks the phrase means "whatever we decide welfare to be, dole it out and squeeze anyone who makes over 200K a year to pay for it".
"Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare' ... There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views ... The line must still be drawn between one welfare and another, between particular and general. Where this shall be placed cannot be known through a formula in advance of the event ... The discretion belongs to Congress, unless the choice is clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power, not an exercise of judgment. This is now familiar law."
Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0
Lest we be accused of misrepresenting their views, actual Libertarians have been kicking around this take on Somalia with a straight face for some time now. No shit:
mises.org/story/2066
A more nuanced completely insane view is that Somalia has been awesome-ized by Anarchism, not Libertarianism.
reason.com/blog/show/117519.html
Golly! Now it's defending any and all social programs because of the magical "general welfare" snippet!
What it fails to recognize, though, is the more government spends on welfare, the farther away we get from that time when people could wander into the teepees of total strangers and shit on their dirt floors.
Quite the quandary.
...which explains why we have so many welfare programs, let alone welfare recipients...
God knows WE never fuck up and make shitty decisions! We're ALWAYS right!
our [insert your favorite] rights!
soo....
How's that working out for you?
What's it saying now?
Want to join White Indian's Non-State* Society?
How's that "WE NEED GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS" Libertarian bullshit working out for you?
* NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES
http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper.....ieties.pdf
It thinks it has the answer to life's problems. How fucking hilarious.
I knew he was a Statist.
...am I free to shit on any living-room floor I choose?
Besides, I'm not an officer.
We view "general welfare" as "whatever welfare program we can either create or just increase funding on, that gets us more votes".
Sweet, huh? We scare the fuck out of poor people, they vote for us, we stay in power and laugh at them in our cushy multi-million dollar homes.
What meaning does the Constitution of a city-state have to a Primitivist mouth-breather like Blanca Idiota?
A question Jon Stewart posed the other day in response to this platitude: what do we do with the losers?
Stewart could start by not being a condescending wealthy leftist a-hole, and stop labeling those less successful than him as "losers".
You don't have to have lots of money to be happy, you just have to lose the illusion that stealing money via government is going to lead to happiness and fulfillment.
"We" don't have to do anything about the "losers". Happiness can not be achieved collectively. It is up to each individual to figure out how that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing actually works.
A question Jon Stewart posed the other day in response to this platitude: what do we do with the losers?
It's his fucking audience; let him wipe their smelly little bottoms for 'em, if he's genuinely concerned.
It is very clear that God, as King David says (Psalm 115:16), "has given the earth to the children of men," given it to mankind in common.
~ John Locke
Two Treatises on Government (1680-1690)
Book II, CHap 5:
Of Property
You feel responsible; you do something about it.
Period. End of sentence. End of paragraph.
Now it's justifying fusion of church and state.
That White Idiot, it's quite the contradiction of itself. It hates civilization, and yet continues to defend it. Probably can't whittle Xanax out of tree bark, either.
You just gotta grin at the sheer, balls-out cluelessness inherent in attempting to trump reasoned argument -- on a libertarian board, no less! -- by means of a (literal) "Hail Mary" pass, via a plummy, self-serving recitation from the Book of Psalms. 😉
"To date, however, no philosopher has ever successfully divorced Lockesian property rights from monotheism."
The Right to Property
by Jason Godesky | 18 July 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/2.....-property/
So why do Libertarians believe in the divine right to property? Isn't the notion as silly as the divine right of kings?
Now it's equating simple home ownership to "divine right of kings".
What a fucktard it is.
Not me, Locke did.
How's that reading comprehension, FIFY? LOL
Now it's claiming to understand Locke.
It knows nothing of my work.
Fuck off, White Frolicker.
Good find, AC.
are in it together, but not everybody else....
...where you have to pay for Libertarian air rights to breath?
"to breath"
stOOpid.
Really funny shit!
They never have read Locke at all.
Lockesian property rights = divine right to property.
Which is about as silly as the divine right of kings.
Deal with it, boys. Rage on!
I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights.
Oh, for fuck's sake.*
*I guess I owe Warty a nickel.
Now, wait. I don't think Wilkinson is totally off base on that.
I think the problem comes in the phrase "rightful liberty".
I certainly think that people can be less free as the result of diffuse cultural forces. Problem is that "rights" are a construction of the state and by definition can only be violated by positive actions of other people.
Let's assume that we're leaving out "positive rights" which IMO are internally contradictory and unenforceable.
So leaving aside LEGAL rights, yes, people can be constrained in ways that are socially unjust by diffuse social and cultural forces. See what happens to women in Muslim communities in Europe, for instance. They have to live in a culture in which there is a threat of social osctracism if they behave improperly.
That said, I don't thibnk the socialion to that ought to lie through any state-based method. Cultural and social issue are things that must be addressed by bringing about change in the culture and cannot be imposed through force.
Still at it.
How do they say this shit with a straight face anymore? The IPCC's models are designed to be accurate in the future but not now. WTF?
When I saw "643 Comments", I knew it was going to be a complete shitfest.
Why can't they get the squirrels to bury the nuts?
It's like a wind-up monkey incessantly banging its cymbals.
I just want to bang on the drums all day.
So we need to kill the Gamboler!!!
This is a Libertarian website, for LOCKE'S SAKE.
Anyway, boys, how's that divine right of property working out for you?
Going to church tomorrow?
How's that gamboling working out for you, primitard?
Going to the woods tomorrow?
It wouldn't last ten minutes in the woods.
That's why he LOVES the city-STATE, the little bootlicker.
Oh, I could go twenty minutes in the woods.
But at least *I* don't go around claiming to LIVE there.
Advantage in Somalia
Brian Doherty | December 27, 2006
http://reason.com/blog/2006/12.....e-in-somal
FIFY, they've reserved a libertarian spot just for you.
It is not a travel agent, and I have no interest in buying one of its imaginary trips to fourth-world hellholes.
"You firsr, Sparky."
Can't live the shackbrah lifestyle, White Primitard?
my roomate's sister-in-law makes $81/hr on the internet. She has been fired from work for 7 months but last month her income was $8779 just working on the internet for a few hours. Read about it on this site NuttyRichdotcom
My roommate's sister-in-law's cousin Jamie has herpes.
I got int a car wreck with a guy who once met the great-nephew of the guy who lived next door to Russell Johnson, who played The Professor on "Gilligan's Island".
I knew a guy who collected used colostomy bags and stalked Wayne Newton, even getting a picture with Wayne before the guy went loco. That's Wayne "Mr. Vegas" Newton, singer of "Dankeschoen" for those not in the know.
Wow... "used colostomy bags" reminds me of White Indian.
Out of curiosity, how did he store them? As-is or cleaned out?
Did something attempt to perpetrate a witty bon mot?
Last night I watched 'The Magic Bus', a two hour documentary about Ken Kesey's acid fueled road trip around America.
Near the end of it is a scene where they show Barry Goldwater saying 'Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice', and the shot of the Atomic bomb commercial. Wierd an incongruous as this was. In the next scene they begin talking about how the conservatives were scared of the hippies and how society was changing.
My mind was blown. Instantly I realized: These people had no fucking idea what Barry Goldwater was afraid of. He was against Soviet Communism, not hippies. He did not give A SHIT about hippies.
And then, I thought, how the fuck could a bunch of hippies who had just been discussing how liberating it was to experiment with psychadelic drugs take a statement like "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice", as an anti-hippie statement?
The only way you can explain that. The ONLY WAY, is that these people had some preexisting irrational prejudice with respect to everything labeled 'conservative', that made them completely fucking incapable of understanding what Barry Goldwater was ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
...and most everybody else unlike him, like most of the extreme Right Wing Nuts.
Since when doesn't individual initiative + free enterprise + militant anti-communism = get a haircut and get a real job, ya damn longhaired hippy?
/feed
/goldwater vermin
/shit
Easy.
Da, comrade?
What's NOT to hate about communism?
/feed
/FIFY-COMMIE-LOVER vermin
/shit
Easy.
Da, comrade?
Now it's claiming some love on my part for communism.
God, this thing is stupid.
"what's not to hate about communism" =/= "commie-lover"
Fail.
I think maybe it fails to understand what actual Soviet Political Offcials would have done with actually Hippies had any of them actually existed in the USSR.
That is possible, Hazel. It does only seem to be able to cut/paste, not actually *understand* things.
..to understand Communism isn't much different that Capitalism.
Zero difference to a gamboler.
Officer, am I free to gambol about plain and forest, to live a Non-State Society lifeway?
MARX: NO!
GOLDWATER: NO!
What you whitewash as "property rights" is a big-government Land enTitlement program to restrict the free movement of free families foraging on the Land; i.e., Strict Gambol Lockdown.
Guess it told you off, Hazel. Glove-slapped by a twat who can cut and paste shit it doesn't understand fully, while claiming to be the bestest hunter/gatherer on the entire planet.
Tribal members, you don't mind if I don't follow our tribal customs, dress, and skip out on our manhood initiation rituals and raids of neighboring tribes. Oh, you do mind?
Kelly Thomas, the hippy looking guy, ya know.
USA = USSR
For the love of money [POLIS' property values] is the root of all evil [POLICe brutality.
Can't have long-haired hooligans and bums on the street in the USA/USSR shitting up the city-STATE.
How do I know?
Rothbard told me so.
Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment, ... unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? ~Murray Rothbard
Officer, am I free to shit on that woman's poodle?
Shit anywhere you want, man. That's what we're HERE for.
Just don't shit anywhere on *my* property... but I'm right there with you brave souls. Except monetarily. And don't step foot on my private plane, either.
Officer, am I free to eat all of Michael Moore's ham?
But there is a difference:
? Legitimate property, stuff one needs to survive or personally enjoys, honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources well beyond what the "owner" can personally use or enjoy.
Tribal Chief, do you really personally use and enjoy all that tribute? Is it really making you happy?
One suspects it is full of shit.
Ask the ones who went to Cuba to harvest sugar cane.
Since when doesn't individual initiative + free enterprise + militant anti-communism = get a haircut and get a real job, ya damn longhaired hippy?
Since when does being a hippie mean you're forbidden from having a job, showing individual initialitive, or hating statism?
Seems to me that loving individual liberty is a core hippie value. Note that if any of them lived in the USSR they would have been shot or sent to a gulag within a week.
Since when did anyone in a Non-State Society ever have a goddamned "Job?"
Historically, people in non-state societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with litte or no assistance from outside sources.
NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES
http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper.....ieties.pdf
Generating one's own subsistence certainly sounds like free enterprise and individual initiative to me ...
_faculty.smu.edu_ and employees of such.
Reason.com and employees of such.
You got it now.
Now it thinks Reason = Fullerton cops who beat Kelly Thomas to death.
It is REALLY bringin' the stOOpid today.
Why can't we just take stuff from other people? That's PROPERTY! And PROPERTY is immoral! But stealing isn't!
Officer, am I free to amble?
Officer, am I free to sashay across dance floor and Starbucks lobby?
I like where you're headed!
I've answered your questions on the difference between:
? Legitimate property, stuff one needs to survive or personally enjoys, honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources well beyond what the "owner" can personally use or enjoy.
It still thinks it has the right to shit in our living rooms, no matter what it says to the contrary.
If Goldwater had been elected, there would not have been an escalated Vietnam war. But a "scary right-winger" would have been president.
What political party escalated the war in Vietnam?
Hint: It starts with a "D".
Goldwater had a more balanced head on his shoulders than most D's and R's. I think that would have led him to a non-interventionist approach.
Do not feed the Goldwater troll.
Hazel is not a troll.
/feed
/FIFY vermin
/shit
Easy.
Da, comrade?
Now it's comparing itself to a Soviet official, which may be the most-coherent thing it has said to date.
/feed
/FIFY vermin
/shit
Easy.
Da, comrade?
?2011 sevo | All fights reserved, without prejudice.
...goes around.
One can only hope.
...and you don't like it.
/feed
/OFF TOPIC vermin
/shit
Easy.
Da, comrade?
Occupy Lansing (and Grand Rapids) report.
With November in Michigan comes chilly weather and frost. The 'occupy' spot in Grand Rapids has dwindled to near nothing.
I was in Lansing at 8:00 this morning, dropping my wife off for some legal test (no, not the bar). Outside temp was 32 degrees with heavy frost on all the windshields. I drove by the capitol steps and didn't see anyone. I then drove by the 'Occupy Lansing' camp. There were still plenty of tents and banners up, but I didn't see a single living soul. I'm guessing they are staying somewhere else overnight.
Fucking Occutard pussies. They don't *really* believe in The Cause, if they're not willing to live in a tent around-the-clock.
Assigning housing now.
Da, Comrade.
It assumes I have the authority to assign housing.
Where DOES it come up with this shit?
I have the authority to assign housing. ~Mr. FIFY
Da, Comrade.
Now it's taking sentences out of context, which is also *lying*... and did it not bitch about others lying about IT, just recently?
For the record, I don't ever want any kind of political power.
Not that I couldn't use it properly... I just wouldn't want to be part of the system. Too much weirdness in Congress.
Not the good kind of weird, either.
LOL
Smack that!
George $oros and the Barack Obama 2012 reelection campaign.
Now it thinks it was *actually* the victim of lying.
wahhhh
White Indian spanked me!
Its concept of the truth is highly overrated.
After reading this comment thread, I now know how the Dude felt after they peed on his carpet.
White Indian would pee on that carpet AND claim a right to carpet-peeing.
am I free to gambol across the carpeting?
If it's YOUR rug, you can pee on it all you want.
White Idiot, OTOH, thinks it can pee on any carpet it chooses.
Assigning capitalist pee pee jobs.
Da, comrade.
It's reminding me of used colostomy bags again... as in "usefulness thereof".
Really?
We have a big sale coming up! Be sure to take advantage of HUGE savings on our wide selection of quality used colostomy bags!
Dude, the White Indian is not the issue here.
It peed on my fucking rug, Walter.
Since I do not believe in the concept of private property, I am free to pee on any rug I choose.
To believe otherwise, is Communism.
Apparently, I told White Indian it's okay to defecate in the living room of total strangers.
Don't ask me how he figured that out... I'm dead.
If I'm not free to pee on anyone's rugs whenever I feel like it, whether they mind or not, then, then...
...the city state's restricting my freedoms OMGZ!
Once again, it metaphorically shits on the concept of private property.
If it told us where it lives, would any of us be free to shit on its living-room floor?
I doubt WI would tell us on the off-chance we'd subject her to what she'd like to do to us.
Pissing on the rug is something White Indian wants exclusive rights to.
White Indian Embraces Property.
Read below, you STATIST LIAR FIFY.
Watch this, JMW... I'll say something totally innocuous, like this sentence... and it will attempt to turn it into something fitting its worldview.
Wow... it dropped the ball. Maybe it couldn't twist a completely non-political post into something fitting its worldview.
White Indian embraces property, legitimate property, as human have for hundreds of thousands of years.
White Indian embraces the capitalist and libertarian justification of property; i.e., the things and resources that are necessary to human survival.*
White Indian rejects the bait-and-switch chicanery that capitalists engage in:
BAIT: I need to own some things on earth as property that I need to survive.
SWITCH: I need to own whole bunches more than would ever be needed to survive.
P.S. Question:
? How do the 1% need 40% of the wealth to survive?
? How do the 10% need 85% of the wealth to survive?
________________
* ...if he must use and transform material natural objects in order to survive, then he has the right to own [property]... ~Murray Rothbard
* [Property] Rights are conditions of existence required by man's nature for his proper survival. ~Ayn Rand
Thank you
Stop feeding the trolls
Hahahahaha!
Newark Police Department
The left are not social liberals.
They had the house the senate and the presidency and they did not pass shit towards social liberalization.
Instead we got Obamacare, stimulas, chastised about guns and religion, and fried food taken out of school lunches.
The left are simply statist culture warriors with a different social agenda then the right.
Don't forget how Team Blue blowing the chance to shitcan at least the worst bits of the Patriot Act...
Don't forget how Team Red brought the the worst bits of the Patriot Act...
What it fails to remember is... Team Blue added to AND approved the so-called Patriot Act.
Stupid people did stupid shit.
Or do they want to gambol in a Non-State sociopolitical typology with White Indian?
Can you clarify what you mean by Statist, Joshua Cornholing?
NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES
http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper.....ieties.pdf
Indeed, remember how gay rights, civil liberties, and even abortion rights were sacrificed to pass the healthcare bill?
That pretty much tells you what their priprities are.
Socialized health care >>>> gay marriarge, civil liberties, war, torture, abortion,
I'm not even going to include drug legalization for them. It isn't even on the map.
Maybe the editors cower from WI because he is in fact Charlie Koch gone nuts. Never got over your split with your mentor, eh Chuck?
Thank you
I'm glad all of you are distracted. You are paying no attention to my secret wars and assassinations. Soon the NWO will control Africa. "Great Job, Mission Accomplished" to the trolls. You will be rewarded with more than your share of lollipops.
Watch your neighbor and report him if he is over-watering his lawn.
First, I have posted only twice on this thread. All other rather posts are not mine, registration would be self-beneficial; but I lean towards unencumbered speech;
The trolling of my name is a little game played 6 of the regulars & a few others who are not part of the email chain but enjoy the noise; and I NEVER MAKE AN ACCUSATION WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
I've made no secret I'm a writer, and I enjoy a contemplative discussion of topics; for this Reason, I use quotes from posts. Read here for an explanation
once
twice
The trolling of my name is a little game played 6 of the regulars & a few others who are not part of the email chain but enjoy the noise
First White Indian moans about someone misusing its name, now you do.
Seriously, you're not doing a very good job of convincing us you and White Indian are not one and the same.
"Seriously, you're not doing a very good job of convincing us you and White Indian are not one and the same."
Is that my responsibility, or is it the duty of the accuser to prove me guilty?
I supposed 'if guilty till proven innocent' AKA, French legal justice system is the Libertarian way, then I accept the challenge.
Tell me how?
What are your rules?
What proof do you need?
I'm not rather.
Rather isn't me.
It would be nice if you could argue instead of engaging in really stupid conspiracy theories.
This isn't a court of law, you stupid cunt.
Helle, I don't fear the truth, and neither should you. You're just a pawn in this game, not a player.
My email is on my site, and anyone can post anon. I'll answer any question in this little show trial that you don't want.
"It would be nice if you could argue instead of engaging in really stupid conspiracy theories."
That's rich.
Is that another word for psychic?
Occupy Reason has been very effective so far.
The weekend thread about liberaltarianism has been almost completely derailed, and what has been discussed has been nicely buried under a mountain of name-hopping garbage.
The two giant walls of text are especially nice, and "White Indian" whining that spamming threads with hundreds of irrelevant comments and insults is the victim in all this is downright hilarious. The usual suspects have defended the troll well by taking sides with her out of personal animus at the people who want this all to stop (which means they want all this to continue.)
Notice the rage that has result from suggesting she is financially backed in order to commit this DDos attack? Notice how many times she slipped up impersonating "real" handles? Notice further the desperation to condemn registration, which--gasp!--might limit her to a dozen different handles a day.
You guys have a nice rest of the weekend.
Notice who is making the accusation; do you wonder why?
What a co-incidence it is the same person who claimed he never pots on the weekend, and out of 52 he picked this one....weird 😉
the weekend thread about liberaltarianism has been almost completely derailed
Right. Because it's not the reason.com articles that matter, but the narcissistic comment threads. Get a grip, man. You're not the star of the show.
Loser.
What does this thing do for a living? This crap goes on 24X7.
It seems likely to be multiple people from what I can tell.
Or a schizophrenic on disability, which would be even more infuriating, since you and I are paying them to do this shit.
Libertarian Statists hold two contradictory propositions simultaneously, as follows:
? The agricultural city-STATE (civilization) is BAD.
? The AGRICULTURAL CITY-state (CIVILIZATION) is GOOD.
Oh be careful little libertarians who you call schizophrenic.
That it may be multiple people on a sabotage mission shouldn't be discounted.
In fact, it's probably more likely than it being the same as rather.
Even if it is more than one person [which is quite possible, since WI doesn't appear to observe a sleep schedule of any kind], that doesn't mean Rather isn't one of those people.
If we can spoof it, others can imitate it. It's not hard.
mad libertarian guy wins the astute prize but the question is not who but why? Think about it.
Mania will do that to a person.
only one thing: your religio-economic sacred cows.
I just want to bang on the drums all day.
Possible suspect
Is in the House
Ideally, Hit & Run would allow you to register a name, so that you could post without fear of being spoofed. Or let you post with any unregistered name you feel like making up, to encourage parody.
Back in the Cavanaugh era (when he was Master Of The Blog rather than just a detached contributor) spoofing wasn't tolerated. He would change the name attached to a comment if his IP address analysis led him to believe it was a spoof.
Now? There's total chaos. Anarchocapitalism fails once again.
...has arrived.
Yes Tulpy Poo, because allowing people to shit all over your property is same thing as not having a government. The first thing I would do if there was no government is allow a bunch of crazy tramps to come into my home and shit and piss wherever it pleases.
...has arrived.
Now? There's total chaos. Anarchocapitalism fails once again.
I honestly blame threaded comments. The format never should have been implemented, IMHO, Tulpy Poo. I wish I had the resolve of P Brooks.
The market has demanded threaded comments, you damn pinko.
It would change its name. It has infinite time resources.
-10
Sweet.
Thx!!
I see things are back to the way they were when this magazine was just saying the crisis was all in our heads, the nation of whiners talking point. Basically, Matt, and especially Tim, have no room to stand on since they've been wrong since the beginning. I'm they would love for us to believe that all the unemployed are sociology majors, and for that reason deserve to be unemployed, or punished, it depends on how thuggish you are. Even just dropping in once a week or so, it's almost impossible to miss the anger and thuggery that infests these comment boards. Hilarious, if you all weren't so thuggish.
Getting a useless degree and then finding out that it won't get you a job =/= saying they deserve to be unemployed.
I for one would not want these people unemployed. So would others here [maybe]. I do however expect them to realise that a degree in, say, puppetry is not going to earn you a six-figure salary unless you luck out and get hired by a Hollywood studio.
And to be willing to pay for said worthless degree instead of palming off the debt onto someone else expecting those to pay for their lack of educational foresight, or, worse, expecting that debt to be written off [paying off one's debts is a part of being a responsible adult, but the OWSers seem to have not gotten that memo].
Except when your the only ones saying that.
I guess it's me, but I'm not cool with punishing folks who make a mistake at 18. Second of all, that's a lot of assumption for just a little ol degree. All you've done is latched on to a detail from a subgroup of a subgroup. Then you got on top of rock, and said, "See...See...they did this, they deserve to be unemployed.
We're not punishing them, we're just not giving them a reward.
^^This.
FYI, they aren't asking to be rewarded. wow, you'll latch on to anything to avoid thinking clearly. Being unable to get water from a stone doesn't mean the stone is being rewarded.
"FYI, they aren't asking to be rewarded."
In which case, there's no problem at all, right?
I'm sorry, i'm to busy to address someone who is full throttled engaged to their ignorance. Obviously, you haven't comprehended one word i said, at least the other posters could do that. Go be angry and thuggish on someone else.
ONNTA|11.5.11 @ 8:23PM|#
"I'm sorry, i'm to busy to address someone who is full throttled engaged to their ignorance..."
Fortunately for you I'm (that's a cap I) not. You might learn something.
But it's doubtful; your stupidity probably keeps you ignorant.
Yes, actually, they are.
They want their failure rewarded by a disappeared debt and a guaranteed job.
We are the ones thinking clearly, not the OWSers. We understand that the real world is not fair and that grown-ups own up to their bad decisions, instead of passing it off to someone else to take care of.
If they're adult enough to go to college/university they're adult enough to accept responsibilities like paying off their debts.
I know that's what I'm asking for here.
Who, exactly, said "they deserve to be unemployed"? More likely, the response here can be summed up as "I'm not surprised they're unemployed".
There's plenty of employment opportunities to be had out there. But the OWSers don't want them. Possibly because those jobs are low-paying or menial or something else that makes them unsatisfactory to the Occupiers.
And it's not just a handful. It's a lot of people turning their noses up at jobs that they think are beneath them. There's nothing wrong with working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart or some other place like that. But tell that to the Occupiers.
As for punishment, only you seem to think accepting responsibility for a decision you make, good or bad, is "punishment".
"plenty of employment opportunities out there," can you provide a link for that. It's good to know that the ten percent unemployment is all because fifteen million people are lazy or studied liberal arts. Unreal, again, since you didn't understand it the first time, latching on to one generic detail of a person, and claiming they deserve their unemployment status is ignorant, in the least, and thuggery at it's worse. You don't know anything about person X Y or Z, except they are unemployed, you don't know their resume ( you may assume they don't have one, but this doesn't count), their experience, you don't know anything, except they are unemployed. To validate your belief system, the one that says nothing is wrong except for the government's involvement in the private sector, you have to find something about these folks that labels them wrong, or a failure, you have to find someway to say that they brought this upon themselves. HOw many business majors are unemployed, how many computer science majors, how many engineers, I've know many that have had trouble finding employment. that didn't lead me to scorn them for their study or direction. Yes, they've suffered too in this employment crisis. If our economy and the amount of employment opportunities were increasing, there wouldn't be short sighted folks pointing a derogatory finger at people desperate to lay blame. And if you need to know who said it, may i direct you to any one of tim Cavenaugh's columns.
ONNTA|11.5.11 @ 7:41PM|#
"plenty of employment opportunities out there," can you provide a link for that."
Well, it took 10 seconds on Google, so it's tough, and it looks like the jobs require some actual analytical skills, so OWSers probably are SOL:
"Jobs Go Begging for Lack of Qualified Applicants"
http://208.73.176.25/Northampt.....icants.htm
Again, I did not say they deserve their unemployment. Nor did I say they were "lazy". Or a failure.
I want to see them successful and employed. And working to the best of their abilities.
You want to know where the opportunities for work are? You might start looking in your paper. Or online. Or in the phonebook - there are people who are paid to help others find employment.
Yes, I do believe that in some ways they brought it on themselves. They may have went in with stars in their eyes, truly believing their English major would get them a good job. But they have to understand that an honest mistake is still no excuse.
And for job opportunities, well. There are "help wanted" ads in the paper, in windows, and even online. There are agencies out there that are dedicated to helping people find a job. What you need to do is to go out there and look.
Again, there is no shame in working at McDonald's or Wal-mart.
If you keep turning your nose up at work - even work that doesn't pay a lot - you are going to be unemployed. Possibly for some time.
Stop being too proud to beg.
Another tidbit for you, when thousands, or even hundreds are applying for Walmart and jobs at Mcdonalds, i doubt so many are thumbing their noses to avoid employment, but you continue to tell yourself anything you need to validate your beliefs, even if it ends up hurting others.
omg, just one more. Even timmy C. has mention that all those poor hiring managers need something to whittle down the number of resumes they receive, so why shouldn't they discard the unemployed.
I've give you two facts, and yet, you seem only to respond with how you feel, but I'm the loony lefty...lol.
"omg, just one more. Even timmy C. has mention that all those poor hiring managers need something to whittle down the number of resumes they receive, so why shouldn't they discard the unemployed."
In which case, they're not being 'punished', so there's no problem at all, right?
Another tidbit for you, when thousands, or even hundreds are applying for Walmart and jobs at Mcdonalds
And how many of them are Occupy protesters?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
There's plenty of employment opportunities to be had out there. But the OWSers don't want them. Possibly because those jobs are low-paying or menial or something else that makes them unsatisfactory to the Occupiers.
Or high-paying and white collar, but the Occupiers aren't qualified for them because they never learned math or computer programming. Because those subjects just aren't hip enough.
You're not cool unless your field of study involves the tattoo and body piercing habits of indigenous tribes of central america.
Try getting those jobs if you're overqualified. And don't think it's easy to present oneself as appropriately qualified when you're really overqualified.
However, there is a small number of subsidized make-work jobs at WalMart for greeters, who are usually older and overqualified workers.
"I guess it's me, but I'm not cool with punishing folks who make a mistake at 18."
How many strawmen in your inventory?
""See...See...they did this, they deserve to be unemployed."
Oops. Missed strawman #3.
Problem is that lowering student loan interest rates and making them easier to obtain is exactly what got these people into the situation they are in.
Nobody forced them to get an English degree on borrowed money. We FACILITATED that by giving them loans to pay for it, and making it easy for them to get those loans with no scrutiny of what they were studying.
And now, when they finally realize that their English degree is worthless, we're supposed to make the terms even easier? How is that going to stop future students from borrowing even MORE money to pay for even MORE expensive sociology degrees?
The problem, my dear, is that the student loan industry is NOT determined by the free market. If student loans were controlled by the market NOBODY could get a loan to study worthless subjects. You would have to prove that your degree was going to set you up to earn enough to pay back the loan to a BANK. You would have to go an do your research and figure out what the probability of getting hired in your field was BEFORE YOU GOT YOUR ASS IN DEBT.
The solution to this problem is to make loans harder to get, and stop subsidizing the interest on them. Thereby forcing students to think about what the fuck they were doing before signing the papers.
Great solution, except i think we were talking about unemployment, my dear. Really the only solution is to foster liquidity in the student loan market. that way you can have responsibilities on both parties. Those who go bankrupt will have to live without credit, and learn to save if they want "things." Lenders will have to be cautious with their loans, and not expect the government to collect for them, or be entitled to interest and fees that turn those loans into lifetime obligations.
One more thing, what proof do you have that an english degree is worthless? Plenty of english majors are employed as literary agents, editors, in publishing houses, right up there with people like Nick G. and his literature degree. If i had the time to go back i'd love to study literature or get credentialed to be a history teacher. To bad there's people like you who have to find a reason to look down on others. It might hurt my employment options, and since i don't have a problem in that department why hurt my options.
It's good to know that we wouldn't have ten percent unemployment if it wasn't for Liberal Art majors. Wow, wish i had known that sooner, could have saved myself the trouble of thinking harder.
"It's good to know that we wouldn't have ten percent unemployment if it wasn't for Liberal Art majors"
Were strawmen on blue-light special?
So, you're saying that liberal arts majors think harder than physicists, engineers and computer scientists? You know, those fields that are actually in demand. Those people who actually have jobs.
I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry, so what's my excuse for unemployment?
Um, how about "biochemists have to compete for a job too, even if biochemistry is a useful skill to have"?
You may have a biochemist's degree, but it's not a guarantee for employment.
Here's something to think about: not everyone drafted by the NHL gets to play in the NHL. I imagine the same is true for any other job.
Still, I do wish you luck. Persistence and determination are useful traits to have. Keep at it and it will all be worth it.
Robert,
There is no field that has 100% employment. But I'm willing to bet that unemployment rates amoung biochemists are very low.
However, have you considered taking a job at a Master's or Bachelor's level? Or something in a different industry to get by? Do you have any transferrable skills? Have you spoken to your former advisor or professors, or other professional contacts to let them know you are looking?
I am not of the belief that being "overqualified" is as damaging as many people think it is. Particularly in technical fields.
"Great solution, except i think we were talking about unemployment, my dear. Really the only solution is to foster liquidity in the student loan market."
Look up "non sequitur".
no, i was changing topic to address what she was saying.
I see. In the written English language, there's the concept known as a "paragraph", so now, you can look that up.
Regardless, WIH does 'fostering liquidity in the student loan market' mean? Do you know what 'liquidity' means?
The problem isn't "unemployment" per se, but that the skills that they are being trained for in school are not in demand (or not in sufficient demand) to employ them all in the fields they choose to pursue.
Thus we have a massive shortage of hard scientists, engineers, and computer scientist, but a massive oversupply of young people with degrees in sociology (or whatever field you wish to use as an emblem of kids with worthless diplomas).
How about incentivizing students to go into fields that there are actually jobs in?
Say, by, perhaps, not giving them loans to go into useless fields?
Or even more accurately, allowing the *funding* of education, via the loan system, to be tied to *demand* in the market place. Say, by having some bank-like entity assess the risk of the student being unable to find a job after graduation, and assign interest rates accordingly.
"Say, by having some bank-like entity assess the risk of the student being unable to find a job after graduation, and assign interest rates accordingly."
Sort of like proposing a business plan to a funding agent. What a concept!
And those who wish to pursue a degree in 'conflict management' are welcome to do so.
At their own expense.
"In 2009 the U.S. graduated 89,140 students in the visual and performing arts, more than in computer science, math and chemical engineering combined and more than double the number of visual and performing arts graduates in 1985."
We could kill two bird with one stone by ending subsidized studnet loans.
1. Student would be disincentivized from studying useless (but easy) subjects.
2. Students would be incentivized to study difficult (but useful) subjects like engineering and science.
We hear the elites wailing continuously about how American kids won't go into science and engineering, but not one of them realizes that if we only gave them loans to study science and engineering, as opposed to religious studies or performing arts, there would be a shitload more students in science and engineering.
If the bank were in charge of deciding who got a student loan, you can bet your ass they would only be funding the engineers and hard scientists.
I got a doctorate in bichemistry, and I've been chronically un- or under-employed ever since. A friend's child studied moving pictures at NYU, and although he's had relatively brief periods of unemployment, he's a big TV producer whose work you've likely seen.
Since everybody's an individual and it's always individual circumstances that determine employment, these statistics are pretty useless. It doesn't matter how many people are supplied and demanded for our respective fields, other circumstances are far more important as to whether we get hired. That being the case, why not go for the fun & glamor? Of course for me, science was supposed to be the fun thing.
So sowwy wobewt. were you owed a job?
Who should be forced to hire you?
It doesn't matter how many people are supplied and demanded for our respective fields, other circumstances are far more important as to whether we get hired.
This is an incredibly silly statement. It's like saying that demand for Ipads has no effect on whether they will sell.
I don't know what your personal circumstances are, Robert, but the unemployment rate amoung biochemists is 3%. You might consider networking within the field, with former professors or your advisor. Make it clear you're willing to take an entry level position and won't expect a higher salary.
That is a terrifying number.
And your point would be what?
Go ahead, say it.
"And your point would be what?
Go ahead, say it."
That you're a brain-dead lefty who lies.
...is in the house!
LOL, I guess it's his comments the folks around here want to save. When in doubt, go for a dirty oneliner, works when Epi when the other person has the upper hand. LOL
"When in doubt, go for a the truth, works when Epi when the other person has the upper hand."
FIFY, brain-dead.
Better than the one who in doubt just repeats the same thing over and over again. Might that be your problem good sir?
I only asked the man to make a declarative statement based off a single solitary fact, something to substantiate the thuggery that has been going around on here. Let me know if i need to use simpler words, I've noticed you tend to use one sentence at a time. Actually, you use that one sentence over and over again, but simple minds, what can you do?
"something to substantiate the thuggery that has been going around on here."
OK, we've got two strawmen at last count. How many left, brain-dead?
White Indian embraces property, legitimate property, as human have for hundreds of thousands of years.
White Indian embraces the capitalist and libertarian justification of property; i.e., the things and resources that are necessary to human survival.*
White Indian rejects the bait-and-switch chicanery that capitalists engage in:
BAIT: I need to own some things on earth as property that I need to survive.
SWITCH: I need to own whole bunches more than would ever be needed to survive.
P.S. Question:
? How do the 1% need 40% of the wealth to survive?
? How do the 10% need 85% of the wealth to survive?
________________
* ...if he must use and transform material natural objects in order to survive, then he has the right to own [property]... ~Murray Rothbard
* [Property] Rights are conditions of existence required by man's nature for his proper survival. ~Ayn Rand
...decided to make White Indian the arbiter of what "legitimate property" means.
Dear Mr. Gillespie,
If you or your staff have been following recent Hit and Run threads, you will have noticed a poster who has systematically, maliciously derailed multiple threads with off-topic ideological eccentricities.
Regular posters have been begging to have that poster banned for reasons that even a cursory glance will supply.
As a consequence of this foolish infiltration, I, for one, have reluctantly grown less interested in turning to Hit and Run's otherwise rewarding resources.
Kindly restore your blog to its former state.
Thank you.
Reader anarch
That went, prayerfully, to gillespie@reason.com
I am sure his inbox will accommodate other petitioners' requests.
Folks, please just stop responding to trolls. They don't even have to to be clever anymore because we keep responding to even the most obvious trolling from notorious trolls.
Gillespie, for the love of reason, logic, and honest debate in good faith, please disable threaded commenting.
Dear Mr. Gillespie,
If you or your staff have been following recent Hit and Run threads, you will have noticed a poster who has systematically brought to light Libertarian contradictions.
It's embarrassing. Horribly so. And we don't want to, nor can we, address or refute his expert knowledge of Libertarianism's fatal faults.
Regular posters have been begging to have that poster banned because he is intellectually superior.
As a consequence of this intellectual superiority, I, for one, have reluctantly grown less interested in turning to Hit and Run's otherwise placating KOCH-establishment bromides.
Kindly restore your blog to its former state of religio-economic dogma echo-chamber.
Thank you.
Libertarian city-STATIST
db|11.5.11 @ 5:38PM|#
"Folks, please just stop responding to trolls."
I've been asking the same for a couple of weeks, and it's particularly annoying to read gripes about the vermin shit from those who engage it.
the vermin shit [and] those who engage it
Who, us?
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
No, threaded commenting makes it easier to skip the uninteresting stuff.
I've been in the position of the alleged troller in other forums. Sometimes there's a situation where people who share a certain assumption want to discuss such-and-such but need, really need, to have their assumption questioned -- whether that assumption relates to fundamental questions of real and other property or of the value of the handed-snap double wing system as a football offense.
Anarchocapitalism fails once again.
What if Tulpa is the culprit, furiously throwing snowballs from a secure location in order to "expose" the hypocrisy of anarchist/minarchists who object to being ceaselessly (and pointlessly) provoked? Has he parked his Leechmobile on our sidewalk, in order to hawk his boring, shriveled brand of authoritarianism to the those who seek pure sweet freedom?
Think about it.
vs. Liberarian Anarcho-Krapitalism
CAGE MATCH
I wish I had the resolve of P Brooks.
"C'mon, show a little backbone!"
"...comments, which are owned by the readers who post them..."
Problem?
I for one am laughing at all of you.
Try some Zen:
If you don't want to respond to the troll, then don't respond to the troll.
If you don't want to read the ramblings of the demented troll, then don't read the rambling of the dement troll.
Libertarian Statists hold two contradictory -- demented? -- propositions simultaneously, as follows:
? The agricultural city-STATE (civilization) is BAD.
? The AGRICULTURAL CITY-state (CIVILIZATION) is GOOD.
Their magic tool is the blank-out. ~Ayn Rand
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/evasion.html
Still feeling Zen? Could be the dementia caused by libertarian religio-economic dogma.
I hate threads, Brooks! I hate 'em!
I am going to start following P Brooks' example. At this point, I am willing to try just about anything.
Come to think of it, some of the most fun threads are the live blogging ones where it moves too fast for some asshole to douche it up. This might work.
"C'mon, show a little backbone!"
I'm with Banjos on this one. P Brooks, you might just have started new TEA party movement (Thread Eschewing Always).
Hey Beavis, this guy like just gamboled all over your computer.
This entire post is private roads, financial deregulation and Somalia all rolled into one.
Which is great, obviously, but you're all missing the bigger picture. Buried in this wall of spectacular is a thinly veiled threat by the author. Welch has said if we don't keep him fat off the works of the proletariat, he will go back to long hair, murses and 40 ouncers of Olde English 800. Is that anything any of us want to see when we switch on Fox Business or Russia Today? Donate to Reason NOW.
Like setting up bowling pins, this wont end well.
What if Tulpa is the culprit, furiously throwing snowballs from a secure location in order to "expose" the hypocrisy of anarchist/minarchists who object to being ceaselessly (and pointlessly) provoked?
That I don't buy. Tulpy Poo may have an authoritarian streak an inch long and a mile wide, but I resolutely doubt he would engage in such petty foolishness and twaddle.
Now if you were a school aged urchin peddling lemonade...then he might notify a constable.
Let's have some stuck working on a Saturday music.
This entire post is private roads, financial deregulation and Somalia all rolled into one.
That's a whole lotta (Drink!) right there, FoE.
Welch has said if we don't keep him fat off the works of the proletariat, he will go back to long hair, murses and 40 ouncers of Olde English 800. Is that anything any of us want to see when we switch on Fox Business or Russia Today?
I see nothing wrong with this. The look on Alyona's face would be priceless. Though Matt could stand to lose a pound or two, assuming it's not camera fat.
See, I'm pissed because I heard this at the mall today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyPjdh5WLto
Seriously. What a fucking awful song.
I'm surprised the homicide rate does not spike around Christmas time, what with all that ear-rending music.
See, I'm pissed because I heard this at the mall today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyPjdh5WLto
...STATIST exclusively as an expletive to hurl at Team Red and Team Blue.
Team Gambol is the game changer. And that stings. Hear the wailing?
? Team Blue are city-Statist.
? Team Red are city-Statist.
? Team Libertarians are city-Statists too.
Only the Gamboler can be consistently regarded as Non-State.
Now if you were a school aged urchin peddling lemonade...then he might notify a constable.
Lol! Defending the Brick and Mortar Establishment from unlicensed lemonade and cupcake peddlers.
Do you defend the Brick and Mortar Establishment, and all their artificial lines drawn on Mother Earth, from unlicensed gambolers?
I think this captures the feeling more, Banjos.
I don't see any need to, most property owners have their own guns.
This might actually work. No threading inside of threads can minimize the clutter. Try that again WI.
So you advocate armed aggression against unlicensed gamboling?
Can I go gamboling with your wife tonight?
A certain group of paid or unpaid trolls object to the KOCH free board and a common thread is an Elizabeth Warren-like insistence that since you breathe, you owe your existence and loyalty to the state just like the trolls do, even if the state is making life difficult or if the state is consumed by WAR, STATE SECURITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, all three of which are hazardous to your health when exercised by the power hungry when left free of criticism.
Another common thread is the refusal to even mention the Obama's WarState (Bush is curiously omitted also -- what's up with that?), gunrunning scandals, regime overthrows, assassinations or even the relatively petty SunShine scandals. The TARP bailouts: trash the banks, but don't name the perpetrators (Bush and Obama)of the billionaire bailouts.
Which leads me to believe that they comprise 1% of the "99%" who are running the show and receiving the funding behind the scenes.
There you have the $oros/Obama WarState 2012 supporters: "War is healthy for children and other living things -- where's my handout?." Paid or unpaid -- does it matter?
White Indian is against all of the following:
? Kochtopus
? The State
? Obama's WarState
? Bush
? Gunrunning scandals
? Regime overthrows
? Assassinations
? SunShine scandals
? TARP bailouts
? Trash
? Banks
? The perpetrators
? Bush and Obama
? Billionaire bailouts
Libertarians are the ones who say: WE NEED THE STATE (to protect our rights.)
How is the agricultural city-State's (civilization's) protection racket working out for you?
I never mentioned WI by name so now:
Is WI is finally catching on? And why do you ask the same question over and over, it's tiresome -- it's the "are you still beating your live-in lover" question. There must be much greater instances of hypocrisy to mock than the "rather" (don't get the wrong idea) benign bunch of posters on this board who are mistakenly offended when someone "encroaches" on this open turf.
why do you ask the same question over and over
Nobody answers.
Nobody CAN answer, without confronting their religio-economic contradictions.
It's hilarious.
Ok I give up, I still beat my spouse, but it doesn't give me pleasure.
Arrest me, I must be stopped.
I confess to eating food from farms, but I would rather be eating a free-range buffalo steak.
Even the best joke is no longer funny if you hear it too many times.
The original sin argument. Ok.
Whereas White Primitard has never been able to confront the contradiction of refusing to live the shackbrah lifestyle despite advocating for it over and over.
Let me know when the Biome has been healed enough for herds of buffalo to roam from Virginia to the Rockies in Oak Savannah and grassy plains.
And the city-State isn't aggressively restricting free movement of free families on the Land.
kthnks
1 week from Tuesday. Watch for the flyer in your local community newspaper.
That time looks like a very long time from now -- you can't even leave the country with your personal valuables anymore.
Are the buffalo free to gambol about the grassy plains?
I resolutely doubt he would engage in such petty foolishness and twaddle.
Every once in a while, I cannot resist the urge to stir the pot.
\
And Tulpa is undoubtedly a step above this thing's Pee Wee Herman School of Rhetoric I know you are, but what am I? level.
'Pee Wee Herman School of Rhetoric I know you are, but what am I?'
Some of you folks are catching on now...
What I advocate is everyone required to have their own skullgun like in Diamond Age as a means of maintaining a fully empowered minarchist citizenry.
Alright, Bud.
Nice job avoiding the libertarian fiction that any amount of abstractly defined property can be considered as an extension and as sacred as one's own body.
[corrected punctuation, damn, that was long]
...the libertarian fiction that any amount of abstractly defined property can be considered as an extension of, and as sacred as, one's own body.
Very succinct Groovus, it especially sucks because it is that time of year where Phoenix is experiencing the world's most perfect weather. All you want to do is be outside enjoying it.
There's plenty of employment opportunities to be had out there. But the OWSers don't want them. Possibly because those jobs are low-paying or menial or something else that makes them unsatisfactory to the Occupiers.
This cannot be repeated enough. I truly think that there is a whiff of effete cultural snobbery inherent in these OWS'ers in addition to entitlement.
I heard on the radio that the Millenial Generation would actually forgo higher salaries in exchange for increased internet access at work, such as checking FaceBook and Twittering at will. Yes, I would like to pay someone to spend extra time not working to keep up with all the social networking, even if I could pay them less. I intially thought, "Hmmm, not a bad idea for reducing bottom lines." But then, I not sure I would want people who should be focused on actual, productive work frittering away time with the online stuff.
Unless the job entailed searching those sites for market research, ammo for hit pieces, and stuff like that.
That and when the Occupiers were in college they turned up their noses at useful fields like engineering, computer science, and the hard sciences, because they weren't "cool" enough. Or maybe because the math was just too difficult for them.
Why do we give student loans to EVERYONE, regardless of what subject they want to study?
THREADED COMMENTING ?BER ALLES!
It's all about me.
Nice job avoiding the libertarian fiction that any amount of abstractly defined property can be considered as an extension and as sacred as one's own body.
Was that what I was doing? Draw me a chart, WI. I just don't see it.
Anyhoo, how high of a caliber could install without suffering massive headaches. Depends on kinetic absorption technology available, but realistically?
Care to debate the concept of legitimate property, as honored by humans for hundreds of thousands of years, versus the big-government enforced enTitlement programs of abstract ownership?
Or do we masturbate to science fiction phallic symbol firearms as a distraction?
Wow! It JUST NOW found out about them thundersticks us evil white folk own!
it especially sucks because it is that time of year where Phoenix is experiencing the world's most perfect weather. All you want to do is be outside enjoying it.
This should amuse you, diminutive Mediterranean goddess.
Legitimate property vs Statist|11.5.11 @ 7:13PM|#
Care to debate the concept of legitimate property, as honored by humans for hundreds of thousands of years, versus the big-government enforced enTitlement programs of abstract ownership?
Or do we masturbate to science fiction phallic symbol firearms as a distraction?
Way to totally avoid the subject. What's the matter, you don't have the rhetorical guns to talk about skullguns?
White Primitard doesn't have the rhetorical guns because White Primitard can't live the real-time Shackbrah lifestyle when it's offered to him on a plate.
Let me know when the Biome has been healed enough for herds of buffalo to roam from Virginia to the Rockies in Oak Savannah and grassy plains.
And the city-State isn't aggressively restricting free movement of free families on the Land.
kthnks
Non-State Society has legitimate property, those things humans need to survive or personally use, honored without enforcement.
Agricultural city-State Society has abstractly defined ownership, often well beyond what anybody can use or enjoy, which must be aggressively enforced by big government.
Libertarians defend Statist enforced property, quite likely because they don't understand the anthropology of how Non-State Society honors property.
It's time to learn if you want to understand how humanity has been enslaved, and deceived, by the hierarchical elite who profit from the Earth and humanity domination system we call the agricultural city-State (civilization.)
I'm just posting to contribute to one of the worst threads in recent memory. It's kind of like the sheep sex thread: I just have to say I was there.
Also, Warty absolutely did not have sex with sheep on March, 13th 2003 out behind old man Peterson's barn. Anyone claiming anything to the contrary is absolutely wrong. In fact, anyone who continues to push the notion that Warty had sex with sheep on March 13th, 2003 out behind old man Peterson's barn will get nothing but the strongest reproaches from me and the rest of the community. The simple fact is that Warty never had sex with sheep on March 13th, 2003 out behind old man Peterson's barn.
Especially not around 10 PM.
It's all about you.
End the Thread.
End the Thread.
We have the opportunity to turn this into a positive by showing the benefits of keeping our own comments thread free. At this point, just consider it a training ground.
It's too late. It's way too late.
Every once in a while, I cannot resist the urge to stir the pot.
Keep stirring Brooksie!
Groovus, great song (We Gotta Get out of this Place), although I've always liked Blue ?yster Cult's live version best.
NPD|11.5.11 @ 7:25PM|#
It's too late. It's way too late.
Nope. We're going to win this time. Right, Groovus?
@ White Indian|11.5.11 @ 7:28PM|#
So what you are saying is, you don't know shit about skull guns? You didn't need to yammer and haw to make that obvious.
Still trolling for skullgun fantasy? They won't work, because of the law of diminishing returns.
Anyway, I've answered your questions on the difference between:
? Legitimate property, stuff one needs to survive or personally enjoys, honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources well beyond what the "owner" can personally use or enjoy.
The problem, my dear, is that the student loan industry is NOT determined by the free market. If student loans were controlled by the market NOBODY could get a loan to study worthless subjects. You would have to prove that your degree was going to set you up to earn enough to pay back the loan to a BANK. You would have to go an do your research and figure out what the probability of getting hired in your field was BEFORE YOU GOT YOUR ASS IN DEBT.
Hazel Meade, I swoon at thee! I also see the rise of apprenticeships in employable fields on the horizon. The idea of "free" (subsidized) college education for all has been thoroughly discredited.
Newclear Titties has suggested something like this, making unemployment insurance payouts essentially a job retraining program for those under-skilled or lacking employable skills. I don't believe one wrong government boondoggle (student loans) makes right another wrong one.
The idea of "free" (subsidized) college education for all has been thoroughly discredited.
Agreed. I see this massive diconnect in the liberal media between their sympathy for the OWS movement and their feelings with regard to student loan debt, and their awareness of America's shortage of qualified scientists and engineers. The New York Times recently did a lengthy piece on how college kids are dropping out of the hard sciences because they are just too difficult. Well, if we would condition loans on enrollment in fields that are in demand that wouldn't be the case. If you knew as a student that your funding would be yanked if you dropped calculus and took Psych 101 instead, you'd be much less likely to drop calculus, no matter how hard it was.
The correct solution, of course, is to give student loans back to the free market, so that banks decide who they are willing to finance. And they won't finance people they don't think will get jobs.
Newclear Titties has suggested something like this, making unemployment insurance payouts essentially a job retraining program for those under-skilled or lacking employable skills.
Making UI contingent upon enrollment in (and attendance of) community college classes in certain fields (engineering, computer science, health care) would not be a bad idea. Courses would have to be at an acreddited institution, and attendence would have to be monitored to make sure the students actually went.
Don't look at us, we quit 2 weeks ago
Groovus, great song (We Gotta Get out of this Place), although I've always liked Blue ?yster Cult's live version best.
You can never go wrong with The Animals. I saw Eric Burdon live recently, at the Hard Rock Casino, owned by Cherokee tribe (that should send the Gamboling Idiot in tizzy). The man can still belt out a howl.
I was never a huge fan of BOC, personally. Yes, I know. heresy!
It used to be interesting around here.
Soooooooooooooo, LSU or AL?
This thread is infested.
Or this.
The re-mix using Benny Goodman's version of "Sing Sing Sing" is also excellent.
Why wont you tackle the real question here, WI? that being how high a caliber can you go with a skullgun?
It's like you have something to hide.
Nope. We're going to win this time. Right, Groovus?
Personally, I am going on a Full Metal No Thread diet permanently. Others may do as they will.
? Legitimate property, things one needs to survive or personally enjoys, has been long-honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources is well beyond what the "owner" can personally use or enjoy. When a billion people on earth are starving and another couple billion living in poverty, while those at the top of the city-Statist hierarchy are living high-on-the-hog, one may properly define it as Statist-enforced Privation Property.
We Need Government to defend our right to private property, which everybody thinks of as the former Non-State legitimate property one needs to survive.
What is really being meant by the KOCH boyz is:
We need government to defend our self-styled "right" to endless, unlimited, privation-causing Statist-enforced Privation Property.
So, how are you all spending your extra hour this weekend?
Holy shit Voros, that was fucking badass.
Here's the re-mix using Benny Goodman.
Course of Empire was one of those bands where I really only liked one song they did (well two counting the re-mix), but man did I love it. It's spectacular live (where I first heard it) as well. They were a five piece with two drummers.
Count me in. Subthreaded comments allow the trolls to fester in clutters. If most people are doing sequential instead, the trolls are forced to keep up with the rest of us.
You know, for a guy who likes to talk about property, WI doesn't seem all that interested in actual things. If skullguns don't get his willy shakin', he's dead inside.
Almost a thousand comments.
I cannot stand when I am reading some comment section on a political topic, and people write commenters off as paid shills. Generally speaking, that tactic is simply mental laziness, either handing out a quick and unthinking insult, or worse, actively insulating itself from ever having to stand up to an intellectual challenge.
This, however, is different. The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response.
I came looking for serious conversation.
Most Reason regulars disrupt any normal discourse, because I so effectively challenge libertarian sacred cows.
Don't respond if you don't have something serious to say.
Thanks to the few who have responded in a reasonable manner.
Hate to harsh the collective feeling of grandeur, but I don't think the Reason comment section is enough of a threat to anyone to make it worthwile to pay someone to disrupt it.
Agreed, but as 0x90 mentions, that's irrelevant.
You're reading into things a bit. It is a possibility, and a stronger one than it would be were this another site, so I put that in the equation, and then concluded it would be irrelevant, regardless.
So by all means, harsh away.
I am in Arizona where we decided that "officially" changing the time on your clock to pretend as though it is earlier or later than it actually is is fucking retarded. So I don't have an extra hour as I never lost one.
The problem is you're never sure what time 2pm ET is when you look up programs. But from now until about mid-May it beats the hell out of living in Chicago.
In a piece of software I write, my users need to be able to specify the correct UTC time for arbitrary lat/lon pairs (for any devs reading this, no, I can't go online to get that info). So I automated this for them. It was a pretty good trick, but I should've seen the next request coming:
"Why doesn't it automatically compensate for DST too?"
So, how are you all spending your extra hour this weekend?
Listening to Banjos and Voros post good music. Where's Arf? I need a good drug like this so I can finish these pathology reports.
0x90,
he says he is serious, but ask him about skullguns. And it's like, wow.
dickhead.
What are you afraid of, WI. The implementation of skullgun technology is going to reduce your political science to metaphysical irrelevancy? You're just like The Church.
dickhead
Red Rocks Rockin|11.5.11 @ 7:21PM|#
"Whereas White Primitard has never been able to confront the contradiction of refusing to live the shackbrah lifestyle despite advocating for it over and over."
So you just responded to vermin shit. I've got to presume you like vermin shit, since it's obvious the way to get vermin shit is to respond to it.
dickhead
LSU/AL>Gingrich/Cain>Tebow>WI/Rectal
Don't give up the ship train!
California is expected to add 17 million people by 2040. The state has little choice but to build transportation infrastructure to meet the growing demand; the only question is whether it should invest in freeways and airports, thus increasing our reliance on vehicles powered by fossil fuels and subject to traffic gridlock, or in clean, speedy trains on dedicated tracks that don't get jammed. Moreover, unlike freeways that require continual government expenditures to maintain, the train would self-sustaining. Under even the most conservative assumptions considered in the business plan, the line is expected to turn a profit.
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It's a gamble, and not one to be taken lightly. But gasoline isn't going to get any cheaper in the future and the freeways aren't going to get less clogged. We think California can find a way to get the train built. We think it can. We think it can....
The Little Boondoggle That Could!
dickhead
...applies to skullguns, Bud.
Thesis #15: We have passed the point of diminishing returns.
by Jason Godesky | 1 November 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/
Really the only solution is to foster liquidity in the student loan market.
And why, praytell, should taxpayers fund yet another bailout? If you went to a state school, isn't that subsidy enough? And you wonder why people are hostile towards the OWS'er types.
GM, I don't think ONNTA has any idea what 'fostering liquidity' means.
Do we get Frannie and Freddy to buy subprime student loans?
dickhead
0x90|11.5.11 @ 7:54PM|#
..."The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response."
Bump.
dickhead
Also:
The good news about the rail authority's new business plan is that it's no longer a fantasy. It lays out a sensible and politically feasible strategy for building the line in segments, starting with the 130-mile, $6-billion section from Fresno to Bakersfield slated to break ground next year, thanks to $3 billion in stimulus funds kicked in by the federal government (the other half of the money will presumably come from the state in the form of Proposition 1a bonds, assuming the Legislature approves them). But the plan also lays bare the great risks California officials aim to take with taxpayer money.
The initial Central Valley segment won't attract enough riders to be commercially viable. The authority admits that no private operator could be enticed to run (and, presumably, invest in) the train until the next segment ? running either from Fresno to San Jose or from Bakersfield to the San Fernando Valley ? is built. That means California could be stuck with a showpiece bullet train to nowhere, unless more government money, to the tune of up to $27.2 billion, materializes.
It's a gargantuan money sinkhole, but the plan is politically feasible, and the right people will benefit financially, and those dratted European snobs won't make jokes about us any more.
ps- Pay no attention to that bond issue behind the curtain.
dickhead
Moreover, unlike freeways that require continual government expenditures to maintain, the train would self-sustaining. Under even the most conservative assumptions considered in the business plan, the line is expected to turn a profit.
Oh and this gem:
Yes, the price tag has tripled and its completion date is 13 years later. But it's still a gamble worth taking.
Ahem, show one boondoggle, one, especially involving public transportation, that ever turned a profit! And one wonders why I refer to CA as "America's Greece."
Who the hell is going to buy all those bonds? Thanks Brooksie, for reminding why I will never live in America's Greece.
dickhead
Outcompeting the competition used to be quite favored at Reason, until White Indian gamboled in.
Dude, you can't outcompete shit. You run away every single time someone points out that you have no way to impose mass decivilization without authoritarianism, that nobody wants to decivilize as proven by your own hypocrisy, and that your entire premise relies on severe, disingenuous distortions of libertarianism, which is the only philosophy that will actually allow you voluntarily choose a decivilized lifestyle.
0x90|11.5.11 @ 7:54PM|#
..."The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response."
Bump.
Please!
Da, comrade sevo.
I don't want to impose anything, city-Statists.
You're the imposer, as a city-Statist.
Next time, you'll say I ran away, again, right? *sigh*
Not completely true, but mostly true; people do embrace city-Statism - Team Red, Team Blue, Team Libertarian.
They'll also have to deal with the consequences of embracing city-Statism.
There are indeed consequences of city-Statism.
One may study said consequences in Joseph A. Tainter's Collapse of Complex Societies, etal.
Consider yourself warned of the consequences of your city-Statism. That's all I can do.
P.S. A warning is not an imposition.
"I don't want to impose anything, city-Statists. You're the imposer, as a city-Statist."
Again, I heartily endorse your right to live rewilded, gamboling on your own property, or on someone else's with their permission, or on unowned land. I don't believe you have the right to force someone else to become re-wilded by taking away or trespassing upon their property. Likewise, I don't believe a factory has the right to take a chemical dump in the river running through your fallow property, and you would need state assistance to enforce a tort against them and be compensated for damages caused by "civilization".
"Not completely true, but mostly true; people do embrace city-Statism - Team Red, Team Blue, Team Libertarian. They'll also have to deal with the consequences of embracing city-Statism."
Team Libertarian believes property rights are the sole barrier between civilization as coercive force and civilization as voluntary action. Likewise they are the sole barrier between decivilization as coercive force and decivilization as voluntary action, and the same with communalism.
Your right to pool money with fellow primitivists and buy a huge swath of undeveloped land and defend it from outside civilization, from markets and capitalism, from factory farmed food, from pollution, etc. is your right that the government should defend instead of oppress. As owner of property, you have the right to exclude city-statists from your property.
Since your philosophy lacks praxis, you're frustrated and lashing out at the one group that would enable and enhance your supposedly voluntary philosophy.
"Consider yourself warned of the consequences of your city-Statism. That's all I can do."
Yes. That is really all you can do, because you certainly don't seem to have a path to making your vision into reality.
dickhead
Team Libertarian believes property rights are the sole barrier between civilization as coercive force and civilization as voluntary action.
This statement is a religio-economic delusion I too once held as a former libertarian.
There isn't much voluntary about the city-STATE. It is invasive and occupational, and uses violence enforce its rules.
Libertarians whitewash a whole bunch of aggressive violence, and threat of violence, and call it "government protecting our rights."
Again you continue to fallaciously conflate libertarianism with anti-libertarianism, and the only reason is because you are unable to live with your own hypocrisy and your own addiction to civilization and its creature comforts. Cognitive dissonance has warped your sense of reality.
I admittedly accept that the state is a necessary evil to defend everyone's right to live how they desire, but what about anarchocapitalist libertarians? They don't accept any form of state violence, so your argument can't apply to them even remotely. Also, the "violence" I accept is absolutely minimal compared to just about everyone else, and only against aggressors, be they primitivist raiders of private property or the armies of the civilized raiding the forests of the primitive.
You run away from the core arguments with distracting non-sequiturs and baseless distortions of reality. It's sad. You're really just a coward unable to defend your philosophy's inability to be implemented universally.
Why not just agree to get government off everyone's backs, and we'll see whether primitivism, hermitism, communalism or civilization wins out in the voluntary free market?
That is simply not true. 99% of humanity has lived in a Non-State sociopolitical typology, mostly in Egalitarian Bands or Tribes.
So they like to say, but all ancaps do is conjure contradictory fantasy organizations that will somehow *wink* serve the same function as the State.
One may as well count on conjuring an undead corpse as to see fantastical an-cap propositions actually work. The minarchists know that much, and reject ancaps for a good reason - it's as make-believe as Santa.
The minarchists whitewash the violence of the city-State. They just will not admit that it takes constant threat of violence to collect rents (they start mumbling their catechism) and restrict gamboling about plain and forest.
It takes threat of violence to collect rents to the capitalist and to enforce gambol lockdown.
That's like saying rape can win out in a voluntary free market.
The city-State (civilization) by definition (the state is integral to it) and empirical observation (pick up a freshman anthropology text) is aggressively invasive and occupational.
I'm not running away from your core argument - I'm telling you Libertarianism is an intellectual fraud, just like Christianity is a fantasy based on a silly undead corpse.
"99% of humanity has lived in a Non-State sociopolitical typology, mostly in Egalitarian Bands or Tribes."
And they left it behind and have not returned to it voluntarily, even after the chains of slavery were broken and even after people like you suddenly realized how much better it once was. There's nothing stopping you from organizing a tribe and living out in the wild, except the invasive state. I would never want the state to violate your right to live such a lifestyle, until you invade my property, steal my rightful belongings and kidnap my daughter, thus imposing your way of life upon me via force. Assuming I wouldn't defend it myself, which I would, as would a tribe defend its property from invasion by a rival tribe.
"They just will not admit that it takes constant threat of violence to collect rents (they start mumbling their catechism) and restrict gamboling about plain and forest."
Not me. I think if you pay land taxes, you get your exclusive use of your land protected by government. If you don't, the land (but not the property improvements) is unowned and free for public use, thus free to gambol upon, at least until someone else lays claim and pays the taxes. No threat of violence or imprisonment involved.
"That's like saying rape can win out in a voluntary free market. The city-State (civilization) by definition (the state is integral to it) and empirical observation (pick up a freshman anthropology text) is aggressively invasive and occupational."
And primitivist raiders/destroyers of respectful, civilized communities aren't? Private property is private property, and whatever you choose to do on that property is mostly your own business. So civilization can only be invasive on your fallow property either with governments enabling them, or government looking away as they raid your property. Sounds like a case for miniarchist libertarianism to me.
And they left it behind
Incorrect.
It is quite well established that, for the most part, humanity was involuntarily conquered by invasive and occupational city-STATE.
You, as a city-STATIST apologist, are not facing up to the truth of the level of aggression the State deploys.
Your claims are falsified, just by looking at how North America was conquered. Read a history book.
There's nothing stopping you
Yes, there is. Agricultural city-STATES cannot abide a better alternative lifestyle, and has poaching laws even in ostensibly wild areas.
Civilization is a maximum lockdown prison.
Case in point: The Great Wall of China. Do you know why it was built? An excerpt as follows:
Perhaps this question is best considered against the immense backdrop of the Great Wall of China. According to long-held theory, the Chinese nation conscripted so much forced and slave labor into building the Great Wall in order to protect itself from barbarian hordes?nomads--to the west. To be sure, the Mongols were a problem throughout Chinese history. But some scholars have advanced a different theory: that the wall was built not so much to keep the Mongols out as to keep Chinese peasants in. Certainly anyone who got a good look at equestrian life on the steppe would prefer it to stoop labor in the rice paddies of that intensely hierarchical society. ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p. 44
"It is quite well established that, for the most part, humanity was involuntarily conquered by invasive and occupational city-STATE."
I don't deny that whatsoever, except in the fact that some societies had Eurasian civilizations voluntarily shifted to civilization before they conquered the indigenous populations. The utility of living in communities and dividing labor can't be denied. Their imperialism was wrong, and we are in agreement on that.
My point was that assuming a libertarian society where state conquest is over, private property rights are defended instead of destroyed and enlightened people like you realize that the primitive lifestyle was preferable to the civilized lifestyle, what exactly is stopping you from returning to it? All we ask is that you do not violate the rights of those who which to live in houses and cities, and likewise ask them not to violate yours.
You continue to mistake the actions of past authoritarian government with libertarianism. Most libertarians don't even support poaching laws. Please stop being disingenuous.
dickhead
And THEN... it resorts to posting "Blow it out your ass, dickhead" until it decides to re-re-re-cut/paste some obscure bullshit theory about how seven billion people could possibly live The Shackbrah Life.
Let's not forget the 6 billion or so people that must die for Pale Rider's dream to become a reality, shall we?
It's a lot more than that. Prior to civilization, the total population of humans numbered in the very low millions.
Nothing fake here. *shifty eyes*
Mr. Mowen stared dazedly about him and whispered to Paul Larkin, "Something's gone screwy here."
"Oh, shut up!" snapped Larkin.
"I am sure, Mr. White Indian," said the eldest libertarian, "that you do not really believe - nor does the public - that we wish to restrict your free movement to forage and hunt. If anyone has been laboring under such a misapprehension, we are anxious to prove that it is not true."
The judges retired to consider their verdict. They did not stay out long. They returned to an ominously silent courtroom - and announced that a fine of $5,000 for trespassing was imposed on White Indian, but that the sentence was suspended. Streaks of jeering laughter ran through the applause that swept the courtroom. The applause was aimed at White Indian, the laughter - at the Statist-enforced privation property judges.
Indian stood motionless, not turning to the crowd, barely hearing the applause. He stood looking at the judges. There was no triumph in his face, no elation, only the still intensity of contemplating the enormity of the smallness of the enemy who was destroying the world. He felt as if, after a journey of years through a landscape of devastation, past the ruins of great forests, the wrecks of powerful rivers, the dead zones of once-bountiful oceans, the bodies of invincible men, he had come upon the despoiler, expecting to find a giant - and had found a rat eager to scurry for cover at the first sound of a human step.
~Adapted from Atlas Shrugged
Stay away from Wesley Mouch.
We hear the elites wailing continuously about how American kids won't go into science and engineering, but not one of them realizes that if we only gave them loans to study science and engineering, as opposed to religious studies or performing arts, there would be a shitload more students in science and engineering.
Oh, they realize it Hazel. What better way to increase the scope of subsidizing bad risk by, I dunno, creating a problem, making it worse, and then expanding another program to fix the original problem?
I seem to remember an Iron Law covering this:
"You get more of what you reward, less of what you punish."
It's almost like Freddie and Fannie were in charge of The Federal Student loan program. Barney, is that you?
Problem is that the federal student loan program hands out loans to ANYONE for ANY major. There is zero consideration of what the student's major is or whether there are any jobs for it.
But you know what. The LAST think the OWS crowd wants is fewer student loans with stricter loan terms that force them to study difficult subjects.
What they want is four years of partying and studying bullshit, and a guarenteed government job afterwards. Suggest to them that student be required to study engineering in order to get a loan and they will FREAK THE FUCK OUT.
Would that give you a thrill?
If so, you may be a sado-libertarian.
I have a better idea. Instead of using federal funds and the Department of Education to run experiments in technocratic social engineering, how about the government leaves the student loan business? That way, whatever someone chooses to study in college or university is their own business because they're the one paying for it!
As an added bonus, this "Two Cultures" pissing contest gets relegated to cocktail-party bullshit bloviating, instead of having any relevance to federal fiscal policy.
Wouldn't that just be grand?
dickhead
Indeed. I am suggesting that the government do exactly what banks do: assess the probability that the loan will be paid back before lending. And charge interest rates that are based on the riskiness of the loan.
And then, once we have the government acting just like a bank, maybe we could actually have an actual bank do it.
But Education benefits all society. Why do you want to keep people from getting educated?
Oh my god, I forgot about how our society is in desperate need of more people to study the iconography of late 20th century American music videos and how it relates to the capitalist exploitation of indigenous people's water resources.
Oh my god, I forgot about how our society is in desperate need of more people to study the iconography of late 20th century American music videos and how it relates to the capitalist exploitation of indigenous people's water resources.
And mocks the indigenous victims.
That's sado-libertarianism for you.
Pain, without love. She likes her BDSM economics rough.
What possible purpose does the middle step have? Why not go straight to being out of loans entirely?
It makes it more palatable to people who actually are in a position to do something about it.
I got a Phd. My thesis: Faux Anal Sex among Multisexual TriCurious Trisexual Vaginalists. I can't find a good job anywhere. Are there any good State University Humanities Departments looking for Assistant Professors? I'll settle for $80K to start.
I love to dance the hootchie-cootchie and pull your coat tails, too.
Math is hard. I'm entitled to a five figure salary that doesn't require me to learn calculus.
Or even more accurately, allowing the *funding* of education, via the loan system, to be tied to *demand* in the market place. Say, by having some bank-like entity assess the risk of the student being unable to find a job after graduation, and assign interest rates accordingly.
Indeed. I hear all the time that there is a nursing and medical technology shortage, which is true. But it's so much more fun to study Literature for fun and (no) profit, Hazel!
I'm still waiting for the diagnostic criteria that requires one on the nursing or surgical staff to recite Chaucer upon command.
I always quoted Milton before starting an IV....
We have passed the point of diminishing returns./i>
You are concerned about the shortened barrel length necessitated in a skullgun design. Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem.
I've got vowels, and some spare symbols too, like the opposite of >
LOL
dickhead
Da, Comrade, we'll stop the running-dog-imperialist american Wheel of Fortune banter.
is not the better part of valor...
Why do we give student loans to EVERYONE, regardless of what subject they want to study?
Easy. Votes. Do you not remember Pelosi fawning over the 26 year old coverage provision and saying, "Now our young people can follow their dreams without worrying about losing health coverage under their parent's policy..."
This timing of the student loan policy, coupled with Pelosi's statement, was no accident.
I also want to know why these little shitbags didn't purchase independently a health policy on the cheap instead of spending that extra student loan money on hipster doofus shit, like PBR and trendy Concerned Liberal Uniforms.
dickhead
GM, I don't think ONNTA has any idea what 'fostering liquidity' means.
Do we get Frannie and Freddy to buy subprime student loans?
Holy shit sevo!!! Don't give them any more bright ideas!!!
Actually, that is an excellent analogy for the terrible pop this education bubble, which was totally and purposefully manufactured, will wreak to an already shaky economy.
Seriously, does anyone know what the debt to GDP ratio WRT student loans is currently, as well as the mean income/wealth to debt ratio for all these student loans toxic assets? This could be really, really ugly...
dickhead
Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 11:15PM|#
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
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Robert|11.4.11 @ 11:12PM|#
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War,
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type
Rectal,
You suck so hard, you make abortion vacuums look like rank amateurs.
"I also want to know why these little shitbags didn't purchase independently a health policy on the cheap instead of spending that extra student loan money on hipster doofus shit, like PBR and trendy Concerned Liberal Uniforms."
Priced a Double Extra Latte Frap at your fave coffee shop recently?
More accurately: "You want me to buy insurance instead of getting laid after dinner next week?!"
Because you're a dickhead?
Well, in the liberal utopia, everyone gets to pursue their dream career as a literary critic, while omnipotent robotic drones drop iPads into their chimneys and serve them organic grass-fed steak tartare.
Nobody knows who makes the omnipotent robotic drones, because the economy is a big mystery and self-interest has been abolished.
Life is just a big college campus!!
I've got vowels, and some spare symbols too,
Try not to pee yourself from laughing too hard. Sheesh, you'd think you have never encountered a hypertext error before.
Grow up, WI. The subject of effective skullgun calibration deserves better than your juvenile attitude.
...makes anybody act juvenile.
Bud, ease up on the stick there. I wasn't dinging your personal abilities and intelligence over spelling, syntax, grammar. It was just fun.
I apologize if you took it serious. Don't look at me that way, either, you might be aiming.
chris,
RESPONDING to vermin shit ENCOURAGES vermin shit.
Is that hard to understand?
But it has a "right" to be heard! AND shit on our living-room floors!
Dear Reason,
If you're interested, I can hook you up with some Machine Learning people I know at CMU who could pin the tail on the troll (assuming it's a regular) pretty quickly and definitively.
And you should be interested.
Commodore Dickhead
Don't hey get paid for every hit on their page?
are you in the stats department?
HI RECTAL ITS COOTER DIDN'T KNOW YOU'D COME A' COURTIN ON A SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!!
Tulpa,
0x90 has the solution:
"This, however, is different. The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response."
This really isn't hard to grasp:
Vermin shit is here for attention; once attention is denied, vermin shit will depart.
Not overnight. Entirely too many supposedly intelligent posters have fed the vermin, so like the raccoon in the back yard, it will take a while for the lack of food to take effect.
And as 0x90 mentions, this is likely one of the few sites that hasn't tossed vermin shit in the can, so there's a large component of desperation involved.
But, acting as adults, it is possible to deny attention to spoiled vermin shit until vermin shit gets NO RESPONSES and finally departs.
dickhead
My apologies. I seem to have made a mess of things.
Hazel Meade:
Hillary?
Is that you?
Why boner?
Three Days Grace - Pain
Poor little thing doesn't like being ignored, i guess.
eat cunt vomit, dickhead
"Poor little thing doesn't like being ignored, i guess."
That's all it takes.
but I ain't going anywhere. Too many lulz round these parts.
Groovus Maximus|11.5.11 @ 9:12PM|#
"Seriously, does anyone know what the debt to GDP ratio WRT student loans is currently, as well as the mean income/wealth to debt ratio for all these toxic assets? This could be really, really ugly..."
(trying to bypass the over-post/vermin)
Waddaya mean "assets"!?
dickhead
Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice
Poor little thing doesn't like being ignored, i guess.
So I see. It let out a huge, flatulent belch upthread.
Allow me to repost in response to sevo and pivot around that maelstrom of freshly queefed trichomoniasis:
GM, I don't think ONNTA has any idea what 'fostering liquidity' means.
Do we get Frannie and Freddy to buy subprime student loans?
Holy shit sevo!!! Don't give them any more bright ideas!!!
Actually, that is an excellent analogy for the terrible pop this education bubble, which was totally and purposefully manufactured, will wreak to an already shaky economy.
Seriously, does anyone know what the debt to GDP ratio WRT student loans is currently, as well as the mean income/wealth to debt ratio for all these student loans toxic assets? This could be really, really ugly...
And, again to bypass vermin shit:
Groovus Maximus|11.5.11 @ 9:12PM|#
"Seriously, does anyone know what the debt to GDP ratio WRT student loans is currently, as well as the mean income/wealth to debt ratio for all these toxic assets? This could be really, really ugly..."
Waddaya mean "assets"!?
HEY RECTAL PLEASE STOP SHITTING ALL OVER THIS THREAD COOTER SHURE WOULD GOSH DARN APPRECIATE IT KTHX!!!
Reason thanks White Indian and all the cowboys who can't quite catch up with him for all the advertising hits.
The Koch brothers will now be able to afford a new G-650.
P.S. White Indian, your percentage is in your bitcoin account. Again, many thanks, my dear gamboling friend.
you mean every comment puts money in the dreaded Koch brothers bank account?
Say... I should get one of those new Gulfstream jets - just as soon as I get done convincing the Occupiers that I actually pretend to care about them.
What's a MFA in Puppetry worth in the secondary market?
Well, 'fostering liquidity' isn't really what the brain-dead OONTA meant.
Prolly $0.20 on the dollar.
...then get the fuck out of the comments kitchen.
Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 11:15PM|#
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
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Robert|11.4.11 @ 11:12PM|#
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War,
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type
Did someone figure out a way to make HTML support recursion? I hope not.
I LIKE EATING POOP AND DICK AND SMELLING BUTTS
Pierson Puppeteers are very able creatures.
http://www.leviathanstudios.com/figures/puppeteer/
Damn. Its a reply to P Brooks @ 9:40
Bud, ease up on the stick there. I wasn't dinging your personal abilities and intelligence over spelling, syntax, grammar. It was just fun.
Maybe I did over react a little bit. But it doesn't seem like you are taking the subject matter very seriously. You know, there are externalities to be considered in a skullgun oriented minarchy that go beyond design instrumentality (assume for the sake of argument I'm using the word correctly). However, if you don't work out the actual physical device, the political consideration is irrelevant, as you wont have much to speculate on until then.
You're drunker than I am.
I doubt that. I haven't eaten anything but my own feces all day, so not much nutrition there.
err, I meant, "I don't doubt that".
Damn. Its a reply to P Brooks @ 9:40
Shit, how did that happen? The only submit open was the one at the bottom.
This place is just like a college campus.
For those of you who have never been blessed with a college education: If you ever try to speak against the leftist orthodoxy, you get shouted down.
This is the internet version of that.
HI RECTAL THIS IS EPI I MEAN COOTER I MEAN I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIMES I JUST WANT TO KILL MYSELF SHOULD I?
Personally, I am going on a Full Metal No Thread diet permanently. Others may do as they will.
While I've never had much opposition to the threaded comments, I think I'll take that approach for a while, under the circumstances.
I agree with sevo's "ignore it" approach, but I think that the severity of the issue might call for ignoring the regulars who egg it on too, for a few days at least. Maybe give them three strikes; God knows lots of us have slipped up from time to time.
can't win an argument, so they just pretend to "ignore" it.
HEY RECTAL COOTER SURE IS GETTING LONELY HOW COME YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME HANGING OUT HERE INSTEAD OF COMING ON A DATE WITH ME???
Strike 1.
Oh come off it cynical. As if I'm going to stop rattling rectal's cage just because some of you can't be bothered to hit the space bar?
Of course you won't. But since you might as well be a troll by kiting a train of retardation through the threads, I'm sure you won't mind if you end up getting ignored like one.
OH COME ON I'M SO MEAN AND EDGY HOW ABOUT A MICHAEL BAY REFERENCE WILL THAT MAKE YOU LOVE ME?
HEY MISS RECTAL YOU SURE ARE FUNNY WHEN YOU USE MY HANDLE THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS HAHAHA!
I was going to say the same thing. If they want to enforce that rule they would not only ignore the trolls but those responding as well. I won't bother, I'll just keep ignoring all the name changes in reasonable, it can keep changing its name but it only takes one click.
"I think that the severity of the issue might call for ignoring the regulars who egg it on too, for a few days at least."
A "few days" ain't going to cut it. We're dealing with desperation here, and vermin shit has been fed entirely too much.
Da, Comrade Sevo, the gamboling running dog is desperate. The light in the tunnel is right around the corner. *fist pump*
A "few days" ain't going to cut it. We're dealing with desperation here, and vermin shit has been fed entirely too much.
The goal with careless regulars is to rehabilitate, not to drive away.
"The goal with careless regulars is to rehabilitate, not to drive away."
Disagreed.
There seem to be entirely too many regulars who think they can 'out-clever' vermin shit, ignoring that vermin shit has been proven wrong more times than you have fingers and toes.
The hope seems to be 'I can make one more comment that will show vermin shit my superior intelligence'.
Doesn't work, since vermin shit isn't interested in actual facts, but there's 'a sucker born every minute' (to steal a phrase...)
(trying to bypass the over-post/vermin)
Waddaya mean "assets"!?
Well, not hard or tangible assets, in that sense. I guess you could say "Junk Bonds." Since a debt note is a holding, and keep in mind I'm not a Wall-Street-Wizard-of-Smart, it's still "occupying" ledgers on the government's books. So it's not a tangible asset in that sense, like a car or house, but can still be collected upon default, and, like any other asset, can cause an implosion if the debt is not repaid.
The asset, in this case, is the sheepskin following a successful graduation.
I'm also curious if any of these little geniuses have investigated hardship deferment.
You're right that it's a financial asset; I was posting in more realistic terms.
But like the subprime mortgages, the value of that sheepskin is questionable.
I think the term we need is 'wasting assets'.
chris|11.5.11 @ 9:53PM|#
I doubt that. I haven't eaten anything but my own feces all day, so not much nutrition there.
Oh, very mature rectal-troll (don't know if Rather did this, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't my gomboling buddy, WI).
How can you guys be concerned about some trolling when Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez might be splitting up over the Love Child?
agree with sevo's "ignore it" approach, but I think that the severity of the issue might call for ignoring the regulars who egg it on too, for a few days at least. Maybe give them three strikes; God knows lots of us have slipped up from time to time.
I'm making the point that sequential reads better even if the trolls are engaged. First time I've ever bothered with them.
and fuck off.
/hostility
Run, baby, RUN! This is fun!
It is better than, as you observed, getting all piled up with the sevo vermin, etal, trolls.
Reminds me of Thomas Jefferson, who stated: "When we get piled up in great cities we will become as corrupt as Europe."
The way I see it, anti-threading is anti-cityState, because it's anti-piled-up-ing.
You can bring your skull gun any day and ride with my tribe. We hav'um heap big time!
I am Wind In His Hair. Do you see that I am your friend?
Wow, 1100 comments. Anyone trolling over here?
This cool for me. The Kochs pay me per comment.
This White Indian thing is the best money maker I've had for while.
...gamboling man.
?Well, the only thing that a gamboler needs...is an arrow and a boooooooowwww ?
What's a MFA in Puppetry worth in the secondary market?
Depends on how cute you are and how loose your sensibilities become.
Hunger may have a mitigating factor on this though.
Seriously, how much was the loan to earn the MFA sheepskin in faggotry puppetry? Someone had to underwrite it.
HI PISSARCH! EWE ARE SO FUNNY, WHERE'S WARTY HE IS FUUNY TO!
HEY RECTAL WHY YOU USIN' MY NAME? I LOVE YOU JUST THE WAY YOU ARE! IF YOU USE MY NAME IT'LL GET REAL CONFUSIN' WHEN WE'RE BUMPIN' UGLIES LATER!
Anyone trolling over here?
Shake hands with the tar baby.
Wow, 1100 comments. Anyone trolling over here?
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Does a bear shit in the pope's hat?
I know, P Brooks. Has anyone actually emailed Matt or The Jacket about this?
sage, bump. How much 'help' do we need? 0x90 has the solution:
"This, however, is different. The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response."
This really isn't hard to grasp:
Vermin shit is here for attention; once attention is denied, vermin shit will depart. Don't feed the vermin shit!
How hard can this be!?
@chris, I like your gambol plan|11.5.11 @ 10:01PM|#
I've never actually been outside Philadelphia before. How are the people out on the road? Are they cool?
We "buy" Reason for the articles.
"The asset, in this case, is the sheepskin following a successful graduation."
You know... that's actually true. I always sort of thought of the student loan situation as unsecured, since you can't take away an education.
While that's technically true, too many people don't actually expect to get much use out of the education itself -- it's the credential they want, and that's something that can be taken away. Bye-bye honestly putting a degree on your resume. Bye-bye automatic pay increases from your government job. Brilliant -- obviously no Democrat would have the balls to pull it off, but maybe a crazed lame-duck Republican.
Why agriculture? In retrospect, it seems odd that it has taken archaeologists and paleontologists so long to begin answering this essential question of human history. What we are today?civilized, city-bound, overpopulated, literate, organized, wealthy, poor, diseased, conquered, and conquerors?is all rooted in the domestication of plants and animals. The advent of farming re-formed humanity. In fact, the question "Why agriculture?" is so vital, lies so close to the core of our being that it probably cannot be asked or answered with complete honesty. Better to settle for calming explanations of the sort Stephen Jay Gould calls "just-so stories."
In this case, the core of such stories is the assumption that agriculture was better for us. Its surplus of food allowed the leisure and specialization that made civilization. Its bounty settled, refined, and educated us, freed us from the nasty, mean, brutish, and short existence that was the state of nature, freed us from hunting and gathering. Yet when we think about agriculture, and some people have thought intently about it, the pat story glosses over a fundamental point. This just-so story had to have sprung from the imagination of someone who never hoed a row of corn or rose with the sun for a lifetime of milking cows. GAMBOLING about plain and forest, hunting and living off the land is fun. Farming is not. That's all one needs to know to begin a rethinking of the issue. The fundamental question was properly phrased by Colin Tudge of the London School of Economics: "The real problem, then, is not to explain why some people were slow to adopt agriculture but why anybody took it up at all."
~Richard Manning
Against the Grain: How Agriculture Hijacked Civilization
http://www.amazon.com/Against-Grain-A.....0865476225
GAMBOLING about plain and forest, hunting and living off the land is fun.
Eggshell Shiteater, I am willing to make a wager here and now. I will lay down $5000 against you surviving one month in the Rogue River-Siskiyou National Forest. You would only possess the "legitimate" property necessary for your survival and you would be allowed no tools or items that existed beyond the Mesolithic era (pre-agricultural humanity), and no contact with any other person.
LIVE YOUR BRAND, BRO! LIVE YOUR BRAND!
Wow, AC... you shut it the fuck up, what?
I think your five grand is safe.
Solitary is YOUR brand, not mine.
Non-State egalitarian sociopolitial typology is the band or the supra-band, the tribe.
You've just revealed both your ignorance, and likely your sadism, Sado-Libertarian dipwad.
Thesis #7: Humans are best adapted to band life.
by Jason Godesky | 22 September 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/
Take five friends with you then.
So you can all die together.
Let me know when the Biome has been healed enough for herds of buffalo to roam from Virginia to the Rockies in Oak Savannah and grassy plains.
And the city-State isn't aggressively restricting free movement of free families on the Land.
kthnks
I AM NOT A NARCISSIST!
Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 11:15PM|#
I think Matt just unilaterally added to the drinking game.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:03PM|#
Spoiler Alert: From this point on there is about 2 hours of childish, repetitive bullshit.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:04PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:26PM|#
Keeping in mind of course, that I have never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum,
Doesn't mean he's wrong. What's your signal to noise ratio anonopussy?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:31PM|#
"anonopussy?"
"Coeus"
Pot, kettle, you're an anonopussy (lol what? 3rd grade ftl) etc...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:33PM|#
By the way, get a new handle cunt, I'm taking this one.
Good thing you're not an anonopussy huh?
Oh you ARE too...
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
Not worried too about it. And I always post my name as email when joke spoofing. And use one handle. I always considered "anonopussy" to mean that the person purposely had no identity established in ordered to avoid being consistent in their arguments. Hence the "pussy" part. I will cop to the "anon", however.
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Cry more bitch|11.4.11 @ 10:44PM|#
"Not worried too about it"
Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up stupidity like "anonopussy".
So, you're a liar too.
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Suki|11.4.11 @ 10:19PM|#
You are too generous in your wording.
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Bill|11.4.11 @ 10:23PM|#
Agreed Suki, "never added a fucking thing worth reading to this forum, and wouldn't be missed if I ate a shotgun." is a gross understatement.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 6:51PM|#
I find all of this especially interesting because my own drift from right-leaning libertarian to libertarian-leaning liberal has a lot to do with issues around the conditions for robust agency and the role of broad socio-economic forces in establishing those conditions, or not. I've come to accept, for example, that diffuse cultural forces, such as racism or sexism or nationalism or intergenerational poverty, can deprive an individual of her rightful liberty without any single person doing anything to violate her basic rights. This takes me a long way toward standard liberalism. But I find that my gut nevertheless leans right on issues of personal responsibility.
Funny how the no 'I' in team types never stop talking about themselves.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:22PM|#
Coach in high school: THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!
Me: No, but there's a "me"...
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:32PM|#
teame?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:37PM|#
T E A M
M+E=ME
Note to self, heller is exceedingly stupid.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:41PM|#
You are of course correct, mea culpa.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:45PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU GO AROUND PRETENDIN TO BE OTHER PEOPLE?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
Why do you go around pretending there isn't an m and an e in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:03PM|#
When did I say there is no e or m in team?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:46PM|#
The word "me" is not in the word "team" just because you can rearrange letters.
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Unfortunately for you, yes it is.
Cry about being wrong more now.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 7:51PM|#
Words in TEAM: tea, am, a
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"Words in team if you do not rearrange the letters tea, am, a"
Your claim is conditional as well, so once again, you're wrong.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ORNERY AND DIS...DIS...DISAGREEABLE? MY MOMMA SAID THAT IT'S NOT NICE FOR COOTER TO BE THAT WAY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT EITHER. YOU'RE USUALLY SO SWEET AND NICE, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:38PM|#
See, this is why I don't think Rather and White Indian are the same person. Rather is dumber than a dead retard. White Indian is a disingenuous concern troll. Their styles are so different.
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
Yeah, but 'tea' and 'am' are in there. Never though of that, did you smart gai?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 7:52PM|#
Is the word "me" in team?
Yes, if you rearrange the letters, as you admit. Therefore, the claim that 'The word 'me' is not in the word 'team'" is clearly false.
There is a condition, you must rearrange the letters, but the word is still there.
So, you're wrong heller.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:11PM|#
If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore.
Nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong.
So, you're still wrong.
And honestly, that you try so hard to defend your obviously indefensible point is ridiculous.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:15PM|#
heller: Hey everyone! MY unstated conditions count and make me right!!!
YES HUH!
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
Wow, I never knew you can win an argument by simply repeating "you're wrong" over and over again. Thanks for illustrating that for me.
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine. But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. The sequence of letters are still the same sequence of letters no matter how much you rearrange them. The word team is not the word team if you rearrange letters. So it would accurate to say the word "me" is in "meat" but not in "team"
At the risk of repeating myself, nowhere do I see the claim made that the word team must be preserved in order for "me" to be present. Once again, you are crafting conditions from whole cloth because you realize you're wrong
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m." For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word. We know this is not true because a sequence of letters and a word are different, since a word depends on a specific order of letters, while the sequence of letters containing me does not have to be in any order to contain me. Therefore the two statements are not equivalent. There are no crafted conditions.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:32PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent to "the word me can be found in the letters t, e, a, and m."
No, you're the one claiming I'm claiming that because you know you're wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
For this to be true, the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word.
Nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:35PM|#
There are no crafted conditions.
Ecespt the one you impose stating that "the sequence of letters would have to be equivalent to the word." and that the letters cannot be rearranged.
THAT is how far you go to avoid admitting you're wrong. You must be a treat in real life.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:38PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
Come now, this is stupid.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
What? You already stated that they are equivalent
"That is functionally what was said."
No, I did not.
Again, nothing in the statement "No, but there's a "me"...requires that.
You're wrong again.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it. You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement (which is the original statement).
there's a "me" [in "team"]
is the second statement.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:49PM|#
Yes, I just quoted you doing it.
No, you did not, and the fact that you continue to argue in bad faith says a lot about you.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
You said that the first statement was what was said, which means that it is equivalent to the second statement
Again, incorrect. Please try to read what I actually wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:52PM|#
I just read it. I just quoted it. It's right there. Here I'll do it again:
Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#|show direct|ignore
Seriously though, if you had said the word me could be found in the letters t, e, a, and m that would be fine.
That is functionally what was said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
PLease explain so you prove you know, what the difference between "equivalent" and "funtionally what was said" is.
If you intend to claim I've said something, an actual quote would help.
In addition, you'll notice heller has descended into arguing minutiae in order to avoid the point that conditions must be present in order for him to be correct.
It's a classic troll tactic.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:51PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
The word "team" was used in the original post. Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team, my statement is proven. I don't need to do anything more complex than that.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:57PM|#
Not hard guy, just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:58PM|#
Since the word team is not equivalent to the sequence of letters that can spell team
By what law other than "heller must not admit error ever"?
THAT is a condition, something you claimed was not necessary.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:06PM|#
It's not a fucking condition. I just explained why.
And I explained why you were wrong.
Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
And no part of the original claim requires that they are. Unless you add conditions, as you have.
If you disagree with this, prove it's wrong.
You're the one claiming error, the onus is on you.
And you've failed.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:44PM|#
Come now, this is stupid.
Agreed, you are arguing in bad faith based on pre-set conditions that the letters cannot be rearranged. That was never stated nor implied anywhere, and is the only way your claims can be remotely accurate.
In short, you are wrong and can't do anything but troll your way out of it.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:45PM|#
Just point to the claim that was made in the original post that the letters cannot be rearranged.
Nothing in the statement " 'No, but there's a 'me'" requires that, it is not stated, nor implied.
You added the condition when you realized you were wrong.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed. The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:55PM|#
First of all no "conditions" are needed.
In order for you to be correct, the letters cannot be rearranged. That is a condition.
The statement literally uses the word team, not t-e-a-m. You're the one arguing that they are equivalent. I am saying they are not.
Again, you read poorly, I have never claimed they are equivalent, you have just insisted I have. Your quote proves I have not.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
You're denying what is right there. In reply to statement 2, you said "that is functionally what was said." If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
That is what you just argued. And I showed that they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:02PM|#
If statement 2 is functionally what was said, then statement 2 and statement 1 are equivalent.
No, they are not, if thew word "equivalent" were meant to be used, it wouidl have been.
That you rely on misquoting me and hammering minutiae says a lot about you.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:08PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong. Statement 2 is not functionally what was said because statement 2 means something different from statement 1. Why? Because they are not equivalent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:10PM|#
However you define "functionally what was said" it is still wrong
First, no, it isn't.
With that in mind, I want to reiterate, that rather than addressing what I ACTUALLY said, you pigheadedly hammered a straw man for 20 minutes before you admitted you didn't actually know what I meant.
Bad faith, you just admitted it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:16PM|#
I did address what you actually said, because however you specifically define what you wrote, the fact that the two statements are not equivalent is disproves what you actually said. This is in fact the opposite of bad faith. Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong, I came up with an argument that proved your statement wrong no matter how you want it defined.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
I did address what you actually said
No, you did not. You kept saying "equivalent" and I never claimed that. That you think what I said MEANS equivalent, and treating it as such, is not "addressing what I actually said".
Again, bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
You did do that
heller|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
Actually you're the one claiming that the statement "the word me can be found in the word team" is equivalent
Again, you argue in bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:20PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said." Here, I will humor you:
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same, while a sequence can be rearranged and stay functionally the same.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:23PM|#
The word is not functionally the sequence because a word cannot be rearranged and stay functionally the same
Taem is functionally Team, and would be read that way, despite being "misspelled" or "out of sequence".
I have irrefutably proven your claim wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:24PM|#
Ah but I was using equivalent in the same way you used "functionally what was said."
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:29PM|#
So I should have claimed you said something else and then used my misinterpretation to bolster a shitty argument like you did?
We're trading places now?
What did I misinterpret? What I said applies to what you said whether the word equivalent or functionally is used. Your accusation of bad faith is baseless.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:37PM|#
What did I misinterpret?
We're really gonna waste more time rehashing your obvious desire to put words in people's mouths?
You KNOW what you misinterpreted. You admitted you misinterprteed it when you admitted you weren't sure how I was using it when you said "However you define 'functionally what was said'"
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
By the way, don't you love how heller claimed he didn't do something, then admitted to it in the next post?
Instead of defining what you said in a specific way to make you seem wrong
Ah but I was using equivalent...
You should change your handle to bad faith.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said. I did not use your words to mean what I'm saying. Again, this is the complete opposite of bad faith.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
I used equivalent to mean the same thing as what you said.
OF COURSE you did, bad faithy.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:18PM|#
Now please explain how 'statement 2 is functionally statement 1' does not rest on the idea that the word is functionally the sequence, which I already showed is wrong.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:21PM|#
which I already showed is wrong.
No, you haven't.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:32PM|#
Again, you're ignoring what I already wrote.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:38PM|#
Because you're ignoring what I wrote.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:46PM|#
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged.
No part of the OP requires that.
The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team.
No part of the OP requires that.
Restating conditions that you insist are necessary does not make them necessary.
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:50PM|#
"No I did not. For the last time:
The word team is not functionally the word team when rearranged. The sequence of letters t, e, a ,m when rearranged is functionally the same as the arranged sequence. Therefore the word team is not functionally the sequence of letter in the word team."
Question, is the word "me" in the word "team"?
Yes (if you rearrange the letters), I don't really get why heller thinks otherwise...
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
It's hilarious to me that heller has apparently decided to troll the forum and waste 2 hours of his life because he didn't get the joke.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:56PM|#
I'm not arguing in bad faith. The original statement uses the word "team." If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence, which I have shown it is not. I didn't assume he used the word, it is right there.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:00PM|#
If you think what I said was wrong you would have to prove that the word is equivalent to the sequence
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
which I have shown it is not
Repeatedly insisting is not the same as "shown".
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:11PM|#
No, actually, YOU claimed an error, so the onus is on YOU to present the law that proves " the word is NOT equivalent to the sequence" which you have completely failed at.
It isn't a law, it is a logical conclusion, which I showed:
I just explained why. If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No. If you rearrange a sequence of certain letters is it still a sequence of those letters? Yes. Therefore the word and the sequence are not the same thing.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false, instead of ignoring what I said.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:14PM|#
If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No.
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
So, your claim of "no" is demonstrably wrong.
Now that you are claiming that this is false, you must show that it is false
That would require YOU to prove it correct first, which you have not done.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:26PM|#
AA. Rearrange the letters and you get AA. It is still the same, so your "proof" is worthless. Team, spelled Taem, is still the same word, just misspelled.
Fine, it does not apply to AA. But it still applies to the word we are talking about: TEAM. So it is not worthless.
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:30PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "taem" is not the same word as "team" just because you mispelled.
So a misspelled word is not the word? Is it "functionally" the word?
Yeah, and now you know why misquoting people pisses them off.
Again, you wrong, your assertion, disproven, you grasping at straws.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:35PM|#
taem is not the same word as team. I don't think I can explain in any simpler terms than that, nor can I see what you could possibly think is wrong with this statement. You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:42PM|#
taem is not the same word as team.
Is it "functionally" the word? You avoided that because you know it is, and hate it because it proves that point of yours wrong too.
You're becoming quite vague and incoherent.
Ah, it begins! You tried misquoting me, you tried asserting your argument was true despite proof otherwise, and now you begin personal attacks.
Being wrong pisses you off a lot doesn't it?
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:31PM|#
Mispelling have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
YOU are the one insisting on rigid arrangements, and how important they are. Funny that your new assertions require you to ignore that claim right now...
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:33PM|#
Fine, it does not apply to AA
No. The correct thing to say when you say "If you rearrange the letters in a word is it still the same word? No." and are proven wrong is to admit you're wrong, or that you got caught lying.
You have so little tact you did neither.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:36PM|#
I just did say I was wrong. You can now amend the statement to "If you rearrange the letters in any word but AA, is it still the same word? No."
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
I just did say I was wrong
No, you said "Fine, it does not apply to AA". You'll notice the words I was wrong are absent.
More to the point, you adhere to your claim despite, apparently, admitting you were wrong about it.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 9:39PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying. If I had known of any exceptions and stated it, then I would be lying. But I did not know of any exceptions, I was simply wrong.
But my statement still applies what we are talking about, the word TEAM, so this little diversion has done nothing to help your argument in general.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 9:40PM|#
Also, being wrong is not the same thing as lying.
Depends on intent, and yours is not good.
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Pedantic Savant|11.4.11 @ 9:51PM|#
This is the stupidest argument like ever
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Heller, you're wrong|11.4.11 @ 9:54PM|#
heller is involved, and was wrong, we all knew it'd be a trainwreck when it started
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
" But the word team is different from a collection of letters that happen to spell team. "
Hey everyone there's no wiring in my house! No, really, heller said so when he was trying to avoid admitting he was an idiot.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
I just have to step in and ask, heller, did you really just say "If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore" in response to your retarded attempt at refuting rectal?
Really?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:21PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:24PM|#
Damnit! The original one was me, Heller, but then rectal came and spoofed me saying it was a spoof.
It's rectals all the way down.
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:22PM|#
I'm not rectal but you sure are a grade A assface. Now why don't you go munch on some penis while the adults talk.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
HI RECTAL IT"S COOTER
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:25PM|#
That wasn't me, heller. Rectal is super weak spoofing again. Such cowardice.
I know. Wow, so many people are coming to rectal's defense "Episiarch" and "Joe" and "Editor." I must be wrong since so many "people" disagree with me.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
Only one "person" disagrees with you, but her many personalities all agree with her. It's a subtle difference.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
Are you sure Episiarch? Because all these different people seem so real. I never considered that they might be pathetic rectal sockpuppets. Never.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
No need for the harsh tone, you fucking asshole.
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Editor|11.4.11 @ 8:30PM|#
You're obviously mistaken, and are relying on unstated conditions in a weak attempt to support what you know is a failed argument.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:33PM|#
Heller, if I'm nice enough to you, will you visit me in Washington? Gaybutsecks is completely acceptable to the mostly liberal population here.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:36PM|#
MISS RECTAL WHY YOU TALKIN' LIKE THAT?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:39PM|#
Yes I will come visit you epi, but you have to promise to let the santorum drip into my mouth.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
"If you rearrange the letters, then you don't have the word team anymore. You just have the letters a, e, m, and t Therefore 'me' is not in 'team'"
BY this retarded logic, theres is no gas in your car once it enters your tank, and theres no wiring in your house once it's built.
heller, you're a fucking idiot.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:23PM|#
This "retarded logic" is how we know that "meat" is not the same word as "team." And your examples don't follow from what I said at all.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:29PM|#
"And your examples don't follow from what I said at all."
Incorrect. Wiring is an integral part of the house, and is "in" the house. The condition of the wiring, the gauge, and it's combinations when installed are irrelevant, it is present, whether the house is intact or blown to bits. The arrangment of the wring doesn't change it's presence.
You are arguing it does.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
MISS RECTAL, YOU AREN'T MAKIN' MUCH SENSE RIGHT NOW. COOTER WAS LIKE THAT ONE TIME WHEN I BANGED MY HEAD ON THE FILLIN' STATION'S BATHROOM STALL DOOR, THAT TIME WHEN I WAS CRAWLIN' UNDER IT. YOU OK?
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:34PM|#
Again, what you are saying does not make sense. If you are saying the wiring is the word 'me' and the house is the word 'team,' What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about? Further, they are not analogous because wiring remains wiring if you split it up, rearrange the parts, and connect them again. The same cannot be said for a word. So your analogy has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
"What does the "arrangement of the wiring" have to do with what we are talking about?"
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
I understand that you don't get it, you're stupid, it's not your fault.
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heller|11.4.11 @ 8:42PM|#
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
A house is still a house if you change the wiring. It is not the same house though. A word is still a word if you switch around the letters, it is not the same word though. So what is your point?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:47PM|#
"So what is your point?"
Above your head apparently, even though it was written clearly.
You're the one claiming the arrangement is important, instead of admitting that letters are just pieces of a word like wiring is a piece of a house.
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:53PM|#
Please give it to me in the mouth!
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wareagle|11.4.11 @ 8:50PM|#
there's no I and there's no "we", either. At least that is what we are led to believe. If I am on the team, of course, there is an I in team. And, if several others are also on the team, then technically, they are on the team with me, which collectively becomes a we. So, it appears team can have whatever the hell you want. Grog all around!!!!
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There is no carpetmuncher...|11.4.11 @ 9:09PM|#
in TEAM, but there is EAT.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:40PM|#
Can you guys get a fucking room and shut the fuck up? Pretty please?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:48PM|#
Can you learn to read a clock so you realize what time it is and that the discussion was over hours before you made a fool of yourself?
Please?
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Reality|11.4.11 @ 11:03PM|#
"Jesus fucking Christ. Banhammer. Please? Please?"
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FIGHTING BAD SPEECH WITH MORE SPEECH!!
I'M ONE OF THOSE IDIOT ASSHOLES WHO INSISTS OTHER PEOPLE CLEANSE MY MEDIA INTAKE!!!
TANTRUM!!!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:50PM|#
YOU SURE ARE A GOOD SPELLER, MISS RECTAL! COOTER NEVER WAS TOO GOOD AT SPELLIN'!
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:53PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:55PM|#
GOLLY MISS RECTAL I MEAN THERE YOU ARE OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG YET YOU KEEP SAYIN' IT AIN'T YOU! WHY ARE YOU LYIN' TO COOTER?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:56PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 7:58PM|#
HEY MISS RECTAL, COOTER AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM! WHY YOU BEIN' SO MEAN TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 7:59PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:00PM|#
"BUT COOTER KNOWS WHO'S TALKIN' TO HIM!"
No, apparently he doesn't.
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:01PM|#
WHY YOU SO COLD TO COOTER, MISS RECTAL?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:02PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:04PM|#
YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING, MISS RECTAL, BUT COOTER DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DID COOTER DO?
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:05PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
MISS RECTAL, I'M WORRIED! YOU HAVIN' A SEIZURE? MY COUSIN USED TO HAVE SEIZURES!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:06PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:10PM|#
I'M CALLIN' AN AMBULANCE MISS RECTAL!
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...|11.4.11 @ 8:12PM|#
Um, not rectal guy, get your detector checked and stop spamming the thread like an asshole.
And in all seriousness, I wasn't talking to you, or discussing this with you, or relating to you in any way.
Then you spammed all over me. What the fuck is your problem asshole?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:13PM|#
I have to wonder what mental defect a person possesses that would cause them to arrogantly take over a thread because they think they own, as you clearly have done Epi.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:14PM|#
What do you I think I own? Are you referring to the extensive research on income distribution in this country that I own?
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MNG|11.4.11 @ 8:16PM|#
"What do you I think I own?"
That was my question to you. You clearly behave as if you have a right to clutter the thread because of your vendetta.
You do not, yet you continue to behave that way, again, as though you own Reason.
Grow up.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:18PM|#
This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time.
Your unbelievable self-unawareness is fucking hysterical. Tell me about how much you make, dude! Tell me!
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JW|11.4.11 @ 8:20PM|#
Jeez dude, all he's asking you to do is to turn down the volume a bit. How hard is that?
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:26PM|#
So wait, you hate it when he does it, then you do it and claim superiority? Wat?
"This coming from a guy who will get into an endless argument loop with John all the time."
Episiarch: Hey everyone I'm going to spam the thread and behave like an idiot, but if MNG calls me on it, I'll give him the "BUT YOU DID IT TOO!" as though two asshole make a right!
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:27PM|#
HI RECTAL
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:31PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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Episiarch|11.4.11 @ 8:37PM|#
HI RECTAL IT'S COOTER!
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Joe|11.4.11 @ 8:40PM|#
Your standard approach for dealing with someone who points out you're acting badly is to accuse them of being rectal, we get it.
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GILMORE|11.4.11 @ 9:03PM|#
HOLY FUCK
Please people.... just fucking stop.
Or no... spend another 50+ posts arguing about anagrams or something.
I think the terrorists are winning here.
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:21PM|#
Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history? My post was first, so am I culpable for damages?
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:32PM|#
"Is this the biggest train wreck in H&R history"
You're new here I see...
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chris|11.4.11 @ 10:42PM|#
You're new here I see...
Not as all. I come, I go a lot. There have been much longer threads, but never one with a hundred plus post devoted to a mother fuckin' trivial anagram.
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Proprietist|11.4.11 @ 10:41PM|#
Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere. Rather's bringing you all down to her realm of dumbfuckery.
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Coeus|11.4.11 @ 10:49PM|#
"Yes, this is a contender for the most idiotic thread I've ever seen in my fucking life. On Reason or elsewhere."
Don't read much I see.
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rectal|11.4.11 @ 9:04PM|#
that's it Epi, run and hi
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Robert|11.4.11 @ 11:12PM|#
It'll take a long time to get thru the comment thread and/or read the article, so sorry if I'm going over ground redundantly here.
I reckon that "fusionism" had more to do with hating on commies during the Cold War,
I reckon that that was a factor, but that a far bigger factor, starting well before the Cold War, was that with a few exceptions from time to time (such as liquor prohibition), until 50 yrs. ago or less, there were no social issues. That is, matters such as the ones brought up here -- same sex marriage and abortion -- were, practically speaking not matters of public controversy. Had they come up they might've divided libertarians from "conservatives" then, but they were on practically nobody's mind, so people never found out. There being no apparent disagreement on sex & drugs & rock & roll in the gen'l public, neither was there any in the smaller world of "conservatism".
Fusion is an illusion. It's not as if there were pre-existing separate "conservative" and libertarian movements that temporarily merged. The libertarian movement did not exist as a distinct tendency at all before the 1960s. In retrospect the more radical of those who were considered "conservative" at the time are now often singled out as libertarian.
Also operating for a long time was the effect of the Sol Steinberg cartoons that show enormous foreshortening from a dominant perspective. Since various forms of socialism and dirigism were predominant, any opposition to them was seen as a single type
Dear Rather,
Here's a three step plan to improve the world:
1.) Open mouth
2.) Insert hemlock
3.) Die
Hey Proprietist, here's a three step plan to improve your posting:
1. Open mouth
2. Insert penis
3. Start sucking
Has anyone actually emailed Matt or The Jacket about this?
I'm sure they're aware of what goes on in the comments without having to be told; offhand I can remember Matt, Tim, Lucy, Ron, and Riggs all reading and replying in the comments on their stories recently.
pooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppooppoop
I'd bet they're also aware of the fact that denying vermin shit attention means no more vermin shit.
For some reason, this simple equation seems beyond the ken of some regular posters.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THERE AREN'T ANY REGULARS RESPONDING TO HER, JUST COOTER! I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM AROUND HERE BEFORE ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO!
The Afterculture exhibit is being created as part of the Smithsonian Institution's visiting artist's program, and is scheduled, as of 11/26/00, to open Spring 2002.at the National Museum of Natural History in Washington DC.
AN ANTHROPOLOGY OF THE FUTURE
http://art.afterculture.org/
It might be said that the folk of North America are finally becoming Native Americans.
I think calling it vermin shit makes it angrier
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your tater. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
For some reason, this simple equation seems beyond the ken of some regular posters.
sevo, has the thought occurred to you that the "regular" posters are being spoofed?
Maybe sevo is being spoofed with his vermin shit rants
Yes, it has. And Epi is the prime example.
But entirely too many responses address specific vermin shit claims and do so in a reasonable manner; each presuming that actual facts and arguments will have some effect.
You CANNOT use better arguments against vermin shit; it is analogous to convincing bleevers there is no sky-daddy or convincing truthers that the government didn't 'do' 911.
Any facts are discounted as proof that the 'others' are yet more clever.
EDG reppin' LBC|11.5.11 @ 7:38PM|#
Abandon all hope. Beyond here, there be trolls
Seriously, dear reader. Do not read any further. I made it through the next hundred posts. I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a soup spoon. For your own sanity, do not continue reading this thread. You have been warned.
We are now inhabitants of the City of Bellona.
to wound the autumnal city.
So howled out for the world to give him a name.
The in-dark answered with wind.
Hey, no one would ever spoof a regular.
Just assume everyone is a spoof. That will make it easier.
There seems to be a group of lefty trolls coming to disrupt the site. Rather is certainly one of them. But the none stop posting shows there is more than one of them. Doubt they are being paid. More likely they are just a small group of assholes doing their part for the cause. This is what the left does. Sadly it may go on for a while. They are out to shut down all conversation on the site.
John has an empty place in his soul...and in his rectum...from MNG not being here. He's sad!
John|11.5.11 @ 10:43PM|#
..."More likely they are just a small group of assholes doing their part for the cause."
I doubt it's for a 'cause' other than attention.
You can tell it is a crew. The two posts on this tread is a bit different voice than the normal white Indian rather crew. This one is more whinny and vulgar. It is apparently the night shift. God what a pathetic bunch of losers.
John, I suspect the wrecking CREW trying to shut the comments down are reason regulars.
If they can't counter my superior ideas that challenge theirs, then they're just going to kick the chess board over and throw an infantile tantrum. And hope mommy in the leather jacket will wipe their noses for them, and comfort them.
My posts are serious, talking about property, and answering questions people ask. That's ON TOPIC with libertarians every day.
Then sevo/fify/epi/etal come charging in and smearing it up so nobody can find what I said in a forest of blather.
And no, I'm not Left, or Satan, Church Lady. Jeeesshhh, loser.
~White Indian
"You can tell it is a crew."
Not sure; the desperation is probably affecting the posts.
Even Reason has limits and vermin shit is getting nervous.
Why would regulars want to shut down comments? It makes no logical sense.
Real simple, WI is quite effective at invalidating core libertarian beliefs.
It wishes it were "quite effective at invalidating" anything.
More dick, please!
fap fap fap fap I'm gay and like dick fap fap fap
I've seen this "fap fap fap" business elsewhere. What is that supposed to be the sound of? I never figured out what "flonk flonk flonk" is supposed to be, either.
Like said before:
This place is just like a college campus.
For those of you who have never been blessed with a college education: If you ever try to speak against the leftist orthodoxy, you get shouted down.
This is the internet version of that.
And White Indian is standing up during the sermon and calling bullshit on the dogma.
sevo, has the thought occurred to you that the "regular" posters are being spoofed?
It's definitely happened, but the nice thing about them being regular is that you can usually tell which posts are actually theirs (just like most everyone sees through you-know-who*'s constant handle changes). And it's not like the spoofing is usually subtle or intelligent.
*Yes, I'm taking the Harry Potter approach.
It's not like it's a mystery. Just a juvenile desire for attention.
That was a spoof.
I am only hoping that whoever is behind this will share some of their ice cream with us.
Since they are leftists, it questionable if they can feed themselves. We are talking animal levels of intelligence here. So doubtful they could feed others.
Shut the hell up, everyone knows you fantasize about me, mowing the lawn, all sweaty, with my shirt off.
It's OK...I give you permission.
Sadly it may go on for a while. They are out to shut down all conversation on the site.
At a minimum, they should put a maximum length on posts. I like Herc and all, but gigantic posts are useless -- no one actually reads them, and they're usually either:
1) Insane gibberish.
2) Someone copying an entire copyrighted article from somewhere else, which is problematic for legal reasons.
3) A poster, who shall remain nameless, (*cough*you*cough*) accidentally copying a ton of comments into the post and not previewing it.
4) A poster deliberately copying a ton of comments into the post to make the site unusable for everyone.
...trying to shut the comments down.
If they can't counter WI's superior intellect, then they're just going to kick the chess board over and throw an infantile tantrum. And hope mommy in the leather jacket will wipe their noses for them, and comfort them.
Dipshit you are blowing your cover
blowing a bunch of dudes, like you.
GAYPWND!
STOP SPOOFING ME!!!! PWND!!!
Is it "diffuse cultural forces" that cause individuals to do multiple cash-out refis for cars and vacations rather than pay off the damn house?
Are the DCFs "casual racism" when individuals rent 20-26" wheels for their car instead of dollar cost averaging into broad market index funds?
Good points, SIV, but... RAAAAACIIIST!!!
/snark.
@John|11.5.11 @ 10:43PM|#
There's a tendency to dismiss the idea they are being paid to do it because it sounds like you are taking yourself and your clique all too seriously, but there is a shit load of money circulating through leftist causes that are funneled into exactly this sort of operation. The Koch brothers have been their public enemy #1 for over a year now since that Meyer hit piece. It is not a question of if but of when.
I also think this is starting to happen on the NRO site as well.
Maybe so. It is the digital version of breaking windows. They been around before. The Shithead posting tonight has been around before. Calling everyone gay, as if that is some kind of insult, is his schtick.
that being called a cocksucker ISN'T an insult where you come from?
Where is that, Gay Island?
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!!!
The following people are admitted homosexuals. You should just know what perspective their comments are coming from.
sevo
cynical
John
Proprietist
That is all.
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!!!
I consider it a badge of honor to be on your most hated list, Rather. Especially because you are on mine, right between Hitler and Ke$ha.
I has a sad
Please:
/food,
/vermin shit.
Easy.
///how to hurt feelings around here, don't you. Is that your first post? Hahahahahah. Is George $oros gay or just a war profiteer?
Accidentally deleted a few sentences.
The Koch brothers have been their public enemy #1 for over a year now since that Meyer hit piece. Any organization even remotely associated with them can be expected to be terrorized. The left invented guilt by association. It is not a question of if but of when.
Guilt by self-contemplation?
TL/DR?
Run. Just close the page and go do anything else. Get drunk. Go read a bible. Teach your kids how to shoot smack. Anything would be a more productive use of your time.
Trust me on this one, people.
ok
I was going to post this in the Morning Links, but since people apparently need something better than the stupid upthread, here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11.....wanted=all
In case people needed reminding, for all the stupid there is in the US, our peers in the developed world always manage to upstage us. Intro:
Note: Kamaishi has 40,000 people. The cost of building and rebuilding the breakwater is over $56,000 per person, around 150% the annual income of its inhabitants.
I find it almost impossible that our government could get out-stoopided, bur it looks like the Japanese have pulled it off.
What I find most amusing is that the country that was supposed to bury the US in the 80's, is lead by a gummint that is incapable of learning *anything* from its past mistakes. It just keeps doing the the same stupid fucking monetary and fiscal stunts over and over and over.
It's almost like they're intellectual zombies, who just keeps walking into a scorching fire line that keeps mowing them down one after another.
"It's almost like" is unnecessary.
The more resources the government controls, the stupider it gets.
1 brazilian comments and nothing on Andy Rooney complaining about how cold it is in hell?
Satan let me keep my copy of Keynes' General Theory, and I like my books.
Holy fuck. KSU just took the lead again.
The only thing I hate worse than rectal is Boise State football. And them going to the MNG game is starting to look more and more likely every week.
Osu just scored. Up by seven
What was that? Tie game again.
Fucking defense, how does it work?
Okie State again. Was the over/under in triple digits?
Stanford-BSU National Championship plz
I'd rather read this thread than watch BSU in the Natl Championship.
Since my team never has a chance (UNC), I prefer to cheer for fucking up the BCS.
Hell of a game between KSU and OSU, though. Maybe one of them will learn to play defense this week.
But the Anthony's Collision Redskins played for a tie vs. the Miller Tire Blue Devils, and succeeded, 0-0, to stay one game behind the now 4-0-1 Blue Devils, who haven't lost a game since 2009.
One day, back in the late Eighties, I was shooting heroin into my cock with Larry King over at Peter Bronfman's house. I remember Larry offered me a bag of Doritos, and when I finished tearing the bag to shreds opening it, I realized how pissed off I'd been that there was SOOOO much air in the top of the bag, and that the chips had been reduced to powder.
It wasn't until a few hours later, when we'd realized the Polynesian hooker had died of an overdose AND had Doritos powder all over her, which just made Larry so grossed out he barely wanted to have sex with her still-warm body before we loaded it on a Sea-Doo and cracked the throttle open, the better for Hunter Thompson to take potshots at it as it sped around the inground pool.
To this day, I still can't remember what flavor the Doritos were, because I was so wigged out on smack.
I think that day, eventually, was one of the reasons I eventually blew my brains out.
But that hooker was a prime piece of barely-dead flesh.
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Anybody have an opinion on Dario Argento's Opera ? Should I use my restored hour of life to watch it after the 'Bama/LSU game?
All your penises are belong to us.
or
I can haz penis?
I take it that was meant as an insult, so nice homophobia there shithead.
Okie State back in the lead. There's still hope Boise will not make the Natl Championship Game. Fingers crossed.
Poet Laureate sloopyinca|11.5.11 @ 11:20PM|#
"I take it that was meant as an insult, so nice homophobia there shithead.'
Sloopy, ya know it really doesn't help when a supposed adult responds to a spoiled vermin shit.
You of all people should know that. Please do NOT do so.
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!!
That twit Wilkinson isn't a "classical liberal" by any definition I can fathom.
I think "collectivist feminist Will Wilkinson" is more apt.
are now also officially gay.
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!
I mean, I can't think of anything worse than sucking cock. All other insults fall short of that.
How's it feel to dig your own grave?
The fear is almost palatable.|11.5.11 @ 11:13PM|#
Guilt by self-contemplation?
Internetz tuff gai is almost as pathetic as Anonymous.
I consider it a badge of honor to be on your most hated list, Rather. Especially because you are on mine, right between Hitler and Ke$ha.
Please, for the sake of everyone here, don't do that. Its behavior has escalated from merely inane and repetitive to deliberately disruptive (those giant text walls you had to scroll past to get down here).
It needs to go, one way or another, and the only thing we can contribute to that worthy cause is pretending it doesn't exist and not allowing it to affect normal commenting.
Also, the commenters union is striking against threaded comments, just so you know.
care what a gay guy thinks?
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!
Anybody have an opinion on Dario Argento's Opera ? Should I use my restored hour of life to watch it after the 'Bama/LSU game?
It's not too shabby, SIV. It's no Suspira but it's passable for Argento's work.
I'm out of here. Too much gay going around here, I'm afraid of catching it.
Enjoy all those cocks up your asses, internet tuff guys.
Calling someone gay. PWND!!!!
I HAS IMPRESSED.
Cooter. PWND!!!!
You old flirt, you.
So...what do you guys have planned for after Church tomorrow?
Tonight it's a Spartacus mini marathon. I didn't think I would get into that show but sheeit it's intense.
Being a child of the 90s I would watch anything with Lucy Lawless boobies but the show actually turned out to pretty good.
definitely some kinky sex goin' on.
...but later I realized I was Matt Damon playing Jason Bourne.
Also, the commenters union is striking against threaded comments, just so you know.
UNION? That will get you a whoopin', pal! I didn't sign up for no stinkin' union! There better not be any hidden dues involved.
Go Pokes! (alma mater)
Fucking Bama just choked.
I sure hope the Pokes win.
I hate college football OT. If they have to have it, why not sudden death?
I like it but they should start at midfield instead of the 25.
I hate pro OT. Why sudden death? You have a 50% greater chance of winning than your opponent if you just win the coin flip. The only sport with a worse overtime is penalty kicks in that game Europeans like where grown men spend 90 minutes pretending to be injured.
Both football and American handball have their problems with OT but the only alternative is to keep playing till the least tired team wins. Luckily this is only a problem in football in international tournaments like the WC and the Champions League since nobody gives a shit about the various national cups.
As far as LSU/AL is concerned AL has nobody to blame but their shitty kickers and Saban for relying on them.
There are more alternatives than that. The first and most obvious would be to eliminate field goals in overtime. Winning a game with a FG is weak, and it's especially weak in the pros.
I think in the pro style sudden death FG should definitely not count but in the college style it isn't a problem. Baseball and Basketball use the play till someone loses style quite well but both footballs are too exhausting to just play forever. I'm just not sure that they will be able to come up with a tie breaker that is both entertaining enough for the audience and able to always be "fair".
My big problem with the FG in college is that you start in field goal range.
In any case, if you want to end overtimes quicker in American football, count the downs. If the teams match on points and downs required, play another round, but that's usually not the case.
Also, I'd disagree a bit on basketball. Once you get into overtime, a lot depends on who's fouled out. It's a separate problem, but it's amplified in overtime.
The alternative that's perfectly reasonable in most cases is no tie breaker at all. Most of those ties never had to be broken. You need to break ties only when you must eliminate one team to have the other advance. Other than that, ties, as long as they're infrequent, actually help spread out the standings.
We don't break ties in the Bronx Warriors Football Club, and we don't have playoffs either. It's almost always clear who's the champion each season. We just played a tie Sat., and in the Mites Div. this year they've had several ties. Each is double round robin, and if you can't determine a champion by that means, there doesn't deserve to be a single one.
Why do they call that form of tie breaker -- "frames", a method pioneered in high schools -- "overtime", when it's not timed at all?
By American handball you must mean court or Irish handball, and I assure you it has no overtime.
They need to do something like what they do in pro basketball. Don't do sudden death, don't do alternating mini drives. Just do a shorter OT "quarter" of, say, five minutes, and whoever scores the most wins. If it's a tie, continue for another five more minutes, then a third five minutes if need be. If it's still tied, it's a tie. In playoffs, just start a second set of three five minute sections, and repeat as long as necessary. Easy.
So...what do you guys have planned for after Church tomorrow?
I can't go into a church. It's against my religion.
What was that? Tie game again.
Fucking defense, how does it work?
Okie State is gonna kick the crap out of KU, sloop! 65 yard TD FTW! Run the clock!
When do they play Kansas, doc?
Team Red: fuck blue
Team Blue: fuck you
Team An-Caps: fuck you statist minarchists
Team Minarchists: fuck you idiot anarchists
Tribe Gambol: Ya'll are a bunch of city-Statist bootlickers.
Mostly say hooray for our side.
I want to continue to add to this cluster fuck (especially considering that I am thoroughly shit faced) but my boyfriend is complainin' and I need to go spend some quality time with him. Hopefully this will tide things over until I am free to come back.
my boyfriend is complainin' and I need to go spend some quality time with him.
Call one out for us! :^)
Ok, one more.
If we're going Russian
"It needs to go, one way or another, and the only thing we can contribute to that worthy cause is pretending it doesn't exist and not allowing it to affect normal commenting."
(Sighs, with sadness)
You're right, of course. She deserves no more of our time. We will just have to suffer her abuse in silence I suppose.
When do they play Kansas, doc?
I meant Kansas State. POKES WIN!!!!!!!!!!
I really liked The Stendhal Syndrome. Think I'll give Opera a shot.
I really liked The Stendhal Syndrome. Think I'll give Opera a shot.
When do they play Kansas, doc?
They already played KU.
I meant Kansas State. POKES WIN!!!!!!!!!!
When do they play Kansas, doc?
They already played KU. It was a home game.
I meant Kansas State. POKES WIN!!!!!!!!!!
I really liked The Stendhal Syndrome. Think I'll give Opera a shot.
I really liked The Stendhal Syndrome. Think I'll give Opera a shot.
I see I'm not the only one who had a site hiccup.
I was hoping they gave this thread a mercy killing. I guess not.
Same here. Just delete all the comments and start over.
Oh, and have rectal bagged, tagged, stuffed and mounted over the Reason fireplace mantle. You can use her gunt for sausage casings to feed the homeless and/or random OWS squatter.
FUPA>gunt>Tebow
I don't believe what I just saw
I was hoping they gave this thread a mercy killing. I guess not.
I had a similar thought. Some things just need to die.
I hope Banjos doesn't get a cramp.
wow, talk about deja vu. I check out Hit & Run for the 1st time in years & find Mr. Welch still trying to convince everyone what a wild youth he had with photo evidence and all (lol as the kids say). Dude, get over it, you're an old man now, no one cares that you were and remain a dork. Just give us one original thought and all is forgiven. Please Reason, for the sake of libertarianism, find some reps beyond Fonzi with a Phd and Richie with bad folk songs and an awkward tendency to include his French girlfriend in every story.
Rusty, times have changed; he now includes his French wife in every story.
Same here. Just delete all the comments and start over.
I wonder what the thread would look like with the walls of text removed, and pretty much any anonypussy comments deleted.
Yanno, I find amazing during that Draw Mewhammad fiasco, they shut down that thread, yet when a bunch of malcontents bum rush the site, Welch and The Jacket are naught to be found.
The NAP only stretches so far...even anarchy has it's limits and self-orders.
Muhammedans get violent (i.e. bombs and shit) when mad. White Indian just posts more.
I scrolled past it all! The winner is me!
But, Art! If you don't READ it, you're denying its right to be heard!
The Art-P.O.G.|11.6.11 @ 12:33AM|#
I scrolled past it all! The winner is me!
For that you get Ritchie's French girlfriend.
"Here's something you won't be occupying soon: a vagina." Triumph at #ows http://is.gd/QaL3yd
h/t MC Moynihan
But I don't know. If you scrolled through the hundred+ commented argument between Heller and a troll on whether an anagram in a reverse sequence counted as a word, you may want to put that one on the bucket list as a must see.
Thanks for the heads-up. Heller is always worth reading.
This thread's a mess, though. I'm having a tough time even finding that exchange. These walls of text are daunting.
You shouldn't have a hard time finding it. Rather only reposted the entire thing at least five times.
Don't forget the rape, Will, I noticed you forgot to mention the rapes at OWS. BTW, you still fucking Howley?
I scrolled past it all! The winner is me!
Coward. You don't get to hear the lamentations of the wimmins.
You failed The Riddle of Steel, Art. Turn in your monocle and top hat.
Dammit! No!
I scrolled past it all! The winner is me!
Coward. You don't get to hear the lamentations of the wimmins.
You failed The Riddle of Steel, Art. Turn in your monocle and top hat.
@ The Art-P.O.G.|11.6.11 @ 12:50AM|#
It is not so much the worth reading part as much as the holy shit, these guys just spent a few hours debating whether or not a reverse anagram counts as a word and they were quite emotional about it part.
@chris
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Seriously? 1300 comments? Jesus Christ. Back to the Tosh.O rerun.
White Indian just posts shits more.
FIFY.
How about registration, then pick your handle (to allow comic handle use). This way an abuser can still be banned, and fun can be had by all.
That made little sense, sorry: I mean that it is required to login, but once this happens, you can post as w/e handle you desire.
I kinda like this idea.
Perhaps it is time for registration.
I'm all for it, Comrades.
*registered barf*
They'll just register multiple times.
They'll use phoney names.
As I said above this is like a college campus: If they don't like what you say there they'll shout you down.
Here its spamming.
They can't stop the posting though.
That's the funny part - they're spamming their own threads, just to kick over the chessboard because they're losing.
Because White Indian's intellectual superiority can out-compete the competition.
Need some sour grapes to go down with that?
*barf*
Your posts are certainly out-competing others in inducing barf, but that's about it.
Barfing isn't sufficient... this is gonna take projectile diarrhea.
Here's how the comments started showing up for me. Seems to be accurate.
That's art, man.
Yeah that's about it, really.
That's how it feels...
Similarly, sometimes when I copy'n'paste (Firefox) all the letters turn into random unicode. I have to scroll the page to clear it.
I've also had some weird copy/paste issues on here the past couple of days. Not unicode though. Just weird highlighting that won't clear until I scroll.
Try another browser. I've switching back and forth between Firefox and Chrome.
I like Firefox but it acts weird sometimes.
Captain America sucks, it is too long and is fucking boring. I wish my boyfriend would have just fucked me, but noooo, I had to watch a fucking boring comic book movie, sigh.
Poor Banjos, you need a vibrator, diminutive wop goddess. If that nonsense keeps up, you should trade up.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
That it sure is. But for that sort of focus, I'd bet Adderall, the study buddy.
Whoa, not sure how I went back in time by seven minutes! My firefox won't go 88 MPH @ 1.2 gigawatts.
Captain America sucks, it is too long and is fucking boring. I wish my boyfriend would have just fucked me, but noooo, I had to watch a fucking boring comic book movie, sigh.
Poor Banjos, you need a vibrator, diminutive wop goddess. If that nonsense keeps up, you should trade up.
Captain America sucks, it is too long and is fucking boring. I wish my boyfriend would have just fucked me, but noooo, I had to watch a fucking boring comic book movie, sigh.
I'm sorry 🙁
Given a choice between watching captain america and fucking my girlfriend, the latter would universally receive preference.
How about fucking your significant other while watching captain america... dressed as captain america?
Daylight savings time. What a scam! It's been messing with circadian rhythms for far too long.
Banjos, look up.
Colombians cheer killing of guerrilla kingpin
POPAYAN, Colombia (Reuters) - Colombians rejoiced at the killing of top FARC rebel leader Alfonso Cano and hoped the biggest blow yet against Latin America's longest insurgency could herald an end to nearly five decades of war.
In a triumph for President Juan Manuel Santos' hardline security policy, officials said forces bombed a FARC jungle hide-out in the mountainous southwestern Cauca region.
Troops then rappelled down from helicopters to search the area, killing the widely hated Marxist rebel boss, his girlfriend and several other rebels in a gun battle on Friday.
Pictures of his dead body showed him without his trademark beard, eyes open and his thick glasses dangling from his neck.
Killing Commies is always a good thing.
Killing Commies is always a good thing.
How about just agreeing to disagree?
Whatever you're for, I'm against it.
I think you said that before.
Ron Paul declared winner of Illinois Republican straw poll
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Ron Paul was declared the winner on Saturday of a weeklong Republican presidential straw poll in Democratic President Barack Obama's home state of Illinois.
Texas Congressman Paul won 52 percent of the combined 3,649 online and in-person votes cast between October 29 and Saturday evening. He won 66.5 percent of the votes cast over the Internet and 8 percent of those cast in person.
In UK, Guy Fawkes is remembered by protesters
LONDON (AP) ? About 200 protesters, many from London's anti-capitalist Occupy movement, marched to Parliament on Guy Fawkes Day, the annual commemoration of the English revolutionary who tried to blow up the building in the 17th century.
Many of Saturday's protesters were wearing a grinning, somewhat sinister mask of Guy Fawkes that has become an icon of the Occupy Movement around the world. The rally was largely peaceful, but the group was kept from getting close to Parliament by a heavy police presence.
Some activists said that donning the masks is a way of reminding governments that authority can be challenged by the masses. "I think people are giving a polite nod to a kind of violent radicalism," said Laurie Penny, a blogger and frequent protester.
fake
So many ideas, so many people. No one agrees on everything. Wouldn't it be better to let citizens vote on individual issues rather than having elected representatives to do it?
Elected politicians become corrupted by the need for campaign donations and the desire for reelection.
Modern telephone and computer technology could allow citizens to vote on individual issues.
Economist Arnold Kling several years ago proposed that we should have 250 states.
He said that once the population gets over 150k the special interests take over.
Crony Capitalism
If you don't let the pols have power over things they'll nothing to buy.
That's a lot of what we're about.
I don't want my fellow citizens to tell me what to do any more than the politicians. How about just agreeing to disagree?
fake
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Hey, trolls! You need to Take It Easy and go somewhere else.
My comment @ 2:08 was aimed at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
The ears, they bleed!
Fuck, that was awful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
That chick is wasting a brilliant voice on a bunch of wristcutting, morose bullshit music.
Tragic, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq5X-p2C0Y
a real tragedy
Much better!
Why can't you be like this all the time, rather? You almost seem...human.
You do realize that it isn't me posting 90% of the time?
A lot of H&R do know me, and think the spoofing has gone too far but I lean towards life's poetic justice
*barf*
And you know its me when I talk about CH4 and its many uses.
Here is a woman who knows how to use a great voice.
Are you serious?
*barf*
Isn't that just precious?
No but farts in jars stored away for the winter are.
Hey cool. I need to off Duty few hours. The The US Troll Guard, doncha know?
There is such a thing as a cool Skinhead Girl.
This thread's got what trolls need.
It's got electrolytes.
That it most certainly does. That it does.
I reached the end of the thread!!! I assume that this is my punishment for deciding not to attend homecoming...
Oh, well. I guess I'm on board with no threaded comments/no more rectal/whatever the hell will prevent this abortion of a thread from transpiring again.
Fuck. I thought this thread would be enjoyable now that I'm drunk. Fuck.
The only "mainstream" libertarian I saw in public television was John Stossel from 20/20. I read both of his books and surprise, the liberals despised him, and predictably labeled him a bigot and a corporate shill, despite his support for gay marriage and abortion. Meanwhile conservatives often invited him to speak at their events and embraced his limited government ideas.
You can identify with or forge alliances with someone who doesn't allow key differences from bonding over shared "commonalities" or core values, or to promote an agenda. That sometimes happens between libertarians and conservatives. I'm going to guess that Reason benefits from serious linkage action from Hotair, NRO, PJmedia, etc. Commentators here often side with conservatives when Reason writers push open borders policies.
The left and libertarians (and independents) are harder to mesh because the latter's clamoring for an activist government runs deep, whether it involves promoting social justice, diversity, regulation, income equality, or the like. It's harder to work with a group who perceives "exclusion" or an apparent lack of "inclusion" as inherently racist or bigoted, even if it was a result of the free market, individual responsibility, or just plain old freedom.
The OWS guys says there's something wrong about 1% making a boatload of money. That's an injustice of some sort and that merits hundreds of unregulated people from occupying public spaces and disrupting private businesses that don't earn like the 1%. Yes, I can see why libertarians would sympathize a TAD more with the tea party.
I think it's more that the conservatives are realizing (if only subconsciously) that the times are changing and their religious justifications are no longer relevant. They need to be more flexible ideologically than the liberals in order to survive.
How would that explain what the previous poster wrote of? It doesn't seem at all to explain why libertarians would've been closer to "conservatives" than to "liberals" to begin with.
I sleep in a warm bed every night, eat 3 meals a day and have access to the internet. But my mother won't buy me an iPad. I AM THE 99%
Daddy won't let me
Well don't hold us in suspense MG, what won't he let you do?
Buy you an iPad , honey
*barf*
Not so much. But thanks for the "let them eat cake" moment. That should work out just great.
I am 38 years old. It will take me almost 30 years to pay off my student loans (in 2023). I am self-employed and I am used to no benefits or paid days off. I have insurance through my husband ? I am lucky ? but I'm too afraid to start a family. I know what it's like to be poor and don't want my child to live like that, too. I am the 99 percent. occupywallst.org.
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
*barf*
Why would any human with the slightest sliver of empathy barf on hard working families?
*barf*
The sympathetic thing to do would have been to deny the loans in the first place. Taking out education loans in amounts that require 30 years to pay off when the potential income from the degree is considered might just possily be a foolish action.
Using those loans to get an education that can result only in self-employment with not enough income to purchase health insurance or properly save for retirement? I feel sympathy, but I do not believe it is my responsibility to finance such stupidity.
If you can't afford to take the loan, don't take it. End of story. She is the one responsible for her poor decision making.
Most of those little kiddywinks "protesting" (read: throwing projectiles at the police and pissing in the street) don't look like hardworking 38 year olds who have no free time on their hands. they look like a bunch of spoiled brats who don't know how lucky they are.
And I have to agree with everyone here who claims that you are responsible for your own stupid decisions in life: if the borderline government monopoly on education means that to get a degree in anything means taking out a loan that takes thirty years to pay back then don't take that degree if you know you won't earn enough money to pay it back. Very simple.
1 in 300 people in Cambodia are amputees from land mines.
1 in 300 people in the US attempt suicide every year.
But how many commit suicide by stepping on landmines?
Primitivism refuted!
*barf*
END:CIV examines our culture's addiction to systematic violence and environmental exploitation, and probes the resulting epidemic of poisoned landscapes and shell-shocked nations. Based in part on Endgame, the best-selling book by Derrick Jensen, END:CIV asks: "If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?"
END:CIV
Resist or Die
http://EndCiv.com/
*barf*
Wow, wow, what a coincidence. Rectal posts around 5:40, WI posts around 5:40. What does it mean?
Wait, sorry are you rectal or WI now? I can't keep track of your multiple personas.
"If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?"
Better question, when the men in white coats come to take you away, will you be gamboling?
*barf*
"If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?"
And what do you do?
BLANK-OUT.
And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one's consciousness, the refusal to think?not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. ~John "Primitivist Gulch" Galt
*barf*
Sorry, but I can't avoid barfing whenever I see the shit that comes off your keyboard.
Hmm,I was just thinking Barfman posting at the same time as WI...I wonder what a search would show?
Hmmm, I was just thinking of a fat fucking cow named rather.
*barf*
I was also thinking why the hell am I responding to a jackass who isn't man enough to put a link behind a personal attack. Come on coward, I dare you to be a big man, or at least female
When you ahve the time, fart in a jar and save it for later. You can use that stored energy for years and enjoy the aroma of a day long passed.
Whatta Man You are not!
wearethe99percent.tumblr.com|11.6.11 @ 5:57AM|#
I love the "let them eat cake" Sado-libertarianism around here. Remember, we are watching.
I am 38 years old. It will take me almost 30 years to pay off my student loans (in 2023). I am self-employed and I am used to no benefits or paid days off. I have insurance through my husband ? I am lucky ? but I'm too afraid to start a family. I know what it's like to be poor and don't want my child to live like that, too. I am the 99 percent. occupywallst.org.
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
I am Elmer J Fudd, millionaire, I own a mansion and a yacht.
Suck it, bitchez.
#11. Historically, a story about people inside impressive buildings ignoring or even taunting people standing outside shouting at them turns out to be a story with an unhappy ending.
excerpt from:
"Thirteen Observations made by Lemony Snicket while watching Occupy Wall Street from a Discreet Distance."
http://www.dangerousminds.net/comment.....ll_street/
Yes, we do enjoy taunting those silly little protestors. They are so stupid. They do not realize that it is the government, that they so worship, that has enabled us to piss on the "Little People" the way we do. It is most hilarious that they call for more regulation of our industry. For without regulation, we would never had been able to reach the position we have. They love the government. Well, we are the government. Therefore, they love us. They think that they need the government to protect them from us. Don't worry, we will protect them...from themselves.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Observation #12. If you have a large crowd shouting outside your building, there might not be room for a safety net if you're the one tumbling down when it collapses.
excerpt from:
"Thirteen Observations made by Lemony Snicket while watching Occupy Wall Street from a Discreet Distance."
http://www.dangerousminds.net/comment.....ll_street/
Yes, a fitting and glorious end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFSsRTDACCo
If you earn over $52,000/year you are the 1%, of the world.
Kinda puts it in perspective, no?
Top 1% in US = $343,927 Adjusted Gross Income.
Who Rules America?
Wealth, Income, and Power
by G. William Domhoff
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whor.....ealth.html
If you earn over $52,000/year you are the 1%, of the world.
Stop whining. You are part of a society that rules the world.
I do realize that, and agree.
Like fiat money, the benefits of Empire Civilization are illusory and temporary and will collapse.
The Final Empire: The Collapse of Civilization and the Seed of the Future
William H. K?tke
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1434331296/
Free Online at:
http://www.rainbowbody.net/Finalempire/
Hmmm. Humans have been "civilized" for centuries. One civilization falls, another takes its place.
Your perception of how humans have evolved is horribly twisted.
How wonderful is a social organizing principle, agricultural civilization, that regularly collapses -- as frequently as fiat money?
Civilization has been an extremely short, and ultimately failed, experiment, lasting only 1% of human existence on earth. (Unless you're a young-earth creationist.)
This hyper-intensive and hyper-destructive industrial civilization we have will collapse. And not come back.
Bernanke Culture shall not rise again.
Thesis #29: It will be impossible to rebuild civilization.
by Jason Godesky | 19 January 2006
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/
It is much easier to go from order to disorder than from disorder to order. Unfortunately, you are correct that most civilizations are the result of planned economies. However, before civilization, "humans" lived in caves and hunted severely limited tools.
I believe that there is "happy medium", of people freely exchanging goods and services without outside interference. This is known as "spontaneous order".
If you want your primitive commune, or whatever, or a worker owned co-op, go right ahead, I won't stop you, if you do not try to stop me from freely exchanging goods and services as I see fit.
most civilizations are the result of planned economies
ALL city-STATES (civilizations) are aggressively "planned." Capitalism too.
caves and hunted severely limited tools
No. That's the scare story the city-STATISTS want you to believe. Reality:
The life of an Indian is a continual holiday, compared with the poor of Europe. ~Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
Though they have few but natural wants and those easily supplied. But with us are infinite Artificial wants, no less craving than those of Nature, and much more difficult to satisfy. ~Benjamin Franklin, letter to Peter Collinson, May 9th. 1753
What Paine and Franklin observed is now recognized by anthropological study:
The Original Affluent Society
Marshall Sahlins
http://www.primitivism.com/original-affluent.htm
If you want your primitive commune, or whatever, or a worker owned co-op
How the hell do you make up stuff like this? Communes aren't primitive, they're agricultural.
Workers? Who wants to work? To hell with working for the man or a goddam commune.
Historically, people in non-state societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with litte or no assistance from outside sources. They bow to no external political leaders.
NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES
http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper.....ieties.pdf
Work or starve, mother fucker. It is inevitable. But don't blame Capitalists, blame God, or Mother Nature, or whatever you worship. If you want to eat, you need to hunt the Buffalo. Is hunting not work? How about picking berries? Fishing? It's all work. If you don't want to work, stay at home with your parents and piss and moan when they tell you take out the garbage.
...in a Non-State society.
Which is what people mean by "work."
Don't pull you physics class shit here. It's work playing on a boat, or breathing while having sex.
We don't call that "work." Wage-slaving and making tokens to eat and survive is work.
But gatherer's do have to "work" an average of 2 hours per day to make a living, except it isn't really discernible from playing.
People take off work to go hunt and pick berries and mushrooms, nowadays, after they are home from "work."
Ok?
END:CIV examines our culture's addiction to systematic violence and environmental exploitation, and probes the resulting epidemic of poisoned landscapes and shell-shocked nations. Based in part on Endgame, the best-selling book by Derrick Jensen, END:CIV asks: "If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?"
END:CIV
Resist or Die
http://EndCiv.com/
Yes, I do resist the tyranny of government, and their protectionist rackets, A.K.A. regulations.
http://web.missouri.edu/~podgu.....lation.pdf
Are you for gambol lockdown, Mr. Whipple?
Big-Government Land<?b> enTitlement is used by the agricultural city-State (civilization) to restrict the free movement of natural families to live a Non-State Society lifeway.
[corrected]
Big-Government Land enTitlement is used by the agricultural city-State (civilization) to restrict the free movement of natural families to live a Non-State Society lifeway.
[preview is a friend]
....protect your property, it's very likely because your property is illegitimate, and needs the force of naked aggression to take and keep.
[1] WHITE INDIAN EMBRACES LEGITIMATE, NON-STATIST ENFORCED PROPERTY
White Indian embraces property, legitimate property, as human have for hundreds of thousands of years.
What's the difference?
? Legitimate property is the stuff one needs to survive or personally enjoy, honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources well beyond what the "owner" can personally use or enjoy.
[2] WHITE INDIAN EMBRACES CAPITALIST AND LIBERTARIAN JUSTIFICATION OF PROPERTY
Libertarians justify property as the things and resources that are necessary to human survival. Examples are as follows:
? ...if he must use and transform material natural objects in order to survive, then he has the right to own [property]... ~Murray Rothbard
? [Property] Rights are conditions of existence required by man's nature for his proper survival. ~Ayn Rand
[3] WHITE INDIAN REJECTS BAIT AND SWITCH
The bait-and-switch chicanery that capitalists engage in follows:
? BAIT: I need to own some things on earth as property that I need to survive or would enjoy personally.
? SWITCH: It's my government-protected right to own whole bunches more than would ever be needed to survive or enjoy personally.
[4] WHITE INDIAN ASK'um HEAP BIG QUESTION
? How do the 1% need 40% of the wealth to survive (or enjoy life?)
? How do the 10% need 85% of the wealth to survive (or enjoy life?)
(Caution, wall of text)
He's quite correct on Taker Culture, which uses aggressive violence to enforce the Taking.
As Derrick Jensen observes in the premises of his book Engdame:
Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources?gold, oil, and so on?can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.
Sounds like the teachings of John Africa.
http://www.onamove.com/belief/
Interesting, Mr. Whipple. Thanks for the reference; never heard of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3BzrSVK0g
WI openly embraces the libertarian definition of property (Rand's & Rothbard's.)
Yet libertarians are going to tattle to their mommy. Why?
White Indian out-competes the competition in critical thinking.
Shut up! Shut up! *waaaahhhhhh* You're a troll, I'm going to tattle on you!
Go ahead junior, put on your thinking cap, and do some critical analysis.
And don't be so nervous you *barf* all over with ALL CAPS or some shit. No need to shout down White Indian like a petulant third grade bully.
Just be yourself. You recognize the inherent violence of government. You say you love freedom. Just be non-contradictory.
When you are cleaning, please do not damage the jars with farts that I keep in storage. If they are shaken, the pressure inside can build and those number 2 jars are only rated at 100PSI. Thanks
...if the pressure gets in the red zone on the gauge there, ok?
No, bleed, you would then waste the precious contents. Just be sure not to shake the jars in the first place.
"My Daddy says that if you do not share your toys with me, I can beat you up and take them from you."
- Socialist Manifesto
Socialism is just another political flavor of the aggressive and occupational agricultural city-State (civilization.)
Do you really think you have what it takes to be a Dick Proenneke type?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke
Nobody but a few want to live alone. It's very unnatural. I'm sure as hell not interested in it.
Your perception of how humans have evolved is horribly twisted by the CULTure in which you live. Here's a little peek into empirical (observed) reality:
Thesis #7: Humans are best adapted to band life.
by Jason Godesky | 22 September 2005
Thesis #7: Humans are best adapted to band life.
by Jason Godesky | 22 September 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/index.html
I was in a band for a while. Lots of drugs and groupie chicks. Yes, the band life is a most excellent type of existence.
Yes, Pronennke was alone. The point is, he gave up all of the "creature comforts" that your primitivist society would certainly have to do without. I doubt very much that you have what it takes to survive on such a plane.
Incorrect, Mr. Whipple. Again, the city-State CULTure has whispered lies in your ear.
Pronennke may have been happier in the woods by himself, but his life is a poor example of Pre-Conquest Society.
The life of an Indian is a continual holiday, compared with the poor of Europe. ~Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
Though they have few but natural wants and those easily supplied. But with us are infinite Artificial wants, no less craving than those of Nature, and much more difficult to satisfy. ~Benjamin Franklin, letter to Peter Collinson, May 9th. 1753
What Paine and Franklin observed is now recognized by anthropological study:
The Original Affluent Society
Marshall Sahlins
http://www.primitivism.com/original-affluent.htm
Well, listen everybody,
to what I got to say.
There's hope for tomorrow,
Ooh,we're workin'on today.
Well,it happened long time ago,
in the new magic land.
The Indian and the buffalo,
they existed hand in hand....
The Indian needed food,
he needed skins for a roof.
But he only took what they needed,baby.
Millions of buffalo were the proof.
Yeah,its all right.
But then came the white man,
with his thick and empty head.
He couldnt see past the billfold,
he wanted all the buffalo dead.
It was sad...It was sad.
Oh yeah...yes indeed.
Oh yes,
it happened a long time ago,baby.
In the new magic land.
See,the Indian and the buffalo,
they existed hand in hand.
The Indians,they needed some food,
and some skins for a roof.
They only took what they needed,baby.
millions of buffalo were the proof,yeah.
But then came the white dogs,
with their thick and empty heads.
They couldnt see past the billfold.
they wanted all the buffalo dead.
Everything was SO sad.
When I looked above the canyon wall,
some strong eyes did I see
I think its somebody comin' around
to save my ass,baby.
I think...I think he's comin' around
to save you and me.
Boys......
I said, above the canyon wall...
strong eyes did glow.
It was the leader of the land, baby.
OH MY GOD,
The GREAT WHITE BUFFALO.....
LOOK OUT!!!! LOOK OUT!!!!!!!
Well,he got the battered herd.
He led em cross the land.
With the Great White Buffalo,
they gonna make a final stand.
The Great White Buffalo,
comin'around to make a final stand.
Well,look out here he comes.
The great white buffalo,baby.
The Great White Buffalo....
Look out,here he comes.
He's doin'all right.
Makin'everything all right.
Yeah,yeah,yeah....
Shit, I'm hungry. I can't feel my fingers.
Plato's lament is rooted in wheat agriculture, which depleted his country's soil and subsequently caused the series of declines that pushed centers of civilization to Rome, Turkey, and western Europe. By the fifth century, though, wheat's strategy of depleting and moving on ran up against the Atlantic Ocean. Fenced-in wheat agriculture is like rice agriculture. It balances its equations with famine. In the millennium between 500 and 1500, Britain suffered a major "corrective" famine about EVERY TEN YEARS; there were seventy-five in France during the same period.
~Richard Manning
The Oil We Eat
Source:
A Short History of Western Civilization
by Jason Godesky
http://rewild.info/anthropik/2.....ilization/
And if you think the "Green Revolution" is going to keep famine at bay much longer for the city-State, read:
The common assumption these days is that we muster our weapons to secure oil, not food. There's a little joke in this. Ever since we ran out of arable land, food is oil. Every single calorie we eat is backed by at least a calorie of oil, more like ten.
The oil we eat:
Following the food chain back to Iraq
By Richard Manning
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/02/0079915
Well, folks... it spoke, and foretold the future:
We are fucked.
Whoop it up while you can.
Anybody think we should depict this winter's starvation on animal skins before we're all extinct? After all, we wouldn't want to give future scholars the impression that there wasn't any widespread starvation among hunter-gatherers.
No, you guys want to eat the animal skins, instead. Yeah, I suppose you're right.
When you embrace the libertarian definition of property, do you also embrace the concept of long term fart storage? Do you use a number 2 jar and store them in a cool, dark place? If not, those farts can go to waste.
Rather, your ideas are very clever, and ever so funny. You deserve two stars today.
I'll remember that when I put jar number 2 away in storage today.
Jesus titty-fucking Christ, 1400 comments? Drop the mouse and step away from the computer, people...........
And only agricultural societies have sacrifice religions.
And grab the number 2 jar and a tight fitting lid.
Now that I've got your attention, remember that next week Thursday is National Fart in a Jar Day. Be sure you have a case of number 2 jars ready and check the expiration date of those frozen burritos you have in your freezer. Or better yet, go to Taco Bell that day for lunch and dinner and have an extra case of jars on hand for the big climax of your day. And as always, mark the jars with the date and what food was eaten so you know the best use for those stored away treasures of earthy delight.
I do not need to "fart in a jar". I have a custom designed system that sucks the farts out of my ass and stores them in a large tank buried in my back yard.
As an added benefit, the accumulator end is in the shape of a giant penis. I sometimes find myself using it even when I know there are no farts in my bowels.
Good to hear F Hart. Necessity is the mother of invention.
White Indian agrees with Lynsander Spooner that Happiness itself is wealth. (tnx Mr. Whipple for the reference.)
Apparently capitalism has done a good job of embezzling our wealth for a meager mess of wage-slave's pottage.
1 in 300 Americans attempt suicide each year.
For perspective, 1 in 300 Cambodians are amputees from land mines.
Capitalism is a toxic land mine for the mind, causing depression and psychosis.
Are you confusing state/crony Capitalism with free market Capitalism, again?
"Free market Capitalism" has never been observed, correct?
It's because the concept is contradictory, as contradictory as an animated corpse, and as realistic as the other Savior from 2000 years ago.
The capitalism you see? That's what it is.
The communists tried the same excuse too. We judge communism by what it did, not how it was supposed to work in theory.
Be as honest about capitalism.
Well, people are either free to exchange goods and services, or they are not. Capitalism is a result of people freely exchanging goods and services and entering into private, mutual, voluntary contract.
If you deny people the right to freely exchange goods and services, then there must be an authoritative force preventing them from doing so.
City-Statist aggression is the real means, confirmed by observation. The speculative "free" market capitalism of which you speak is as fanciful as the Zombie Jesus.
Our system of private property in land forces landless men to work for others; to work in factories, stores, and offices, whether they like it or not. Wherever access to land is free, men work only to provide what they actually need or desire. Wherever the white man has come in contact with savage cultures this fact becomes apparent. There is for savages in their native state no such sharp distinction between "work" and "not working" as clocks and factory whistles have accustomed the white man to accept. They cannot be made to work regularly at repetitive tasks in which they have no direct interest except by some sort of duress. Disestablishment from land, like slavery, is a form of duress. The white man, where slavery cannot be practiced, has found that he must first disestablish the savages from their land before he can force them to work steadily for him. Once they are disestablished, they are in effect STARVED INTO WORKING for him and into working as he directs.
~Dr. Ralph Borsodi
This Ugly Civilization (1929)
http://soilandhealth.org/03sov.....i.toc.html
You'll know you're among the people of your culture if the food is all owned, if it's all under lock and key. But food was once no more owned than the air or the sunshine are owned. No other culture in history has ever put food under lock and key?and putting it there is the cornerstone of your economy, because if the food wasn't under lock and key, WHO WOULD WORK?
~Daniel Quinn
The Story of B
"Food Under Lock and Key"
http://www.lejournalmural.be/english-.....a-1.html#7
Our system of private property in land forces landless men to work for others; to work in factories, stores, and offices, whether they like it or not.
What is preventing them from buying their own land? Anybody can do it. It's as easy as buying an iPad. You do know how to buy land, correct? Land is just another commodity that is subject to the same laws of diminishing marginal utility as any other commodity, or product, or service.
You'll know you're among the people of your culture if the food is all owned, if it's all under lock and key. But food was once no more owned than the air or the sunshine are owned. No other culture in history has ever put food under lock and key?and putting it there is the cornerstone of your economy, because if the food wasn't under lock and key, WHO WOULD WORK?
Indeed, who would work? Where would the food come from? Your post-scarcity world is a delusion.
I've offered no ideas of a "post-scarcity" world, so quit making-up stuff, Mr. Whipple.
I think you're just trying to dodge a clear understanding of how the agricultural city-State (and capitalism and communism) work in the real world. They use Aggression.
Well, Whipple... I guess the only option is for 90% of the population committing mass suicide.
There's just no other way, according to You Know Who.
Then again, if it survived, it would be free to shit in as many living rooms as it wants.
Forget the military-industrial complex. The one driving all of Western Civilization into bankruptcy is the medical-industrial complex. Eliminate government medical licensing and privatize the FDA.
...Which is privatizing profits, and externalizing the very real and tragic human costs of industrial civilization.
Pollution linked to birth defects
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1731902.stm
Huge rise in birth defects
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1878358.stm
One defintely way to reduce oil consumption would be to use farts stored in jars. All that methane, if burned in an environmentally friendly way, could power cars, cook food, heat homes and provide hours of huffing. You should try it. Do it once and you'll never go back.
...is going to save humanity from the hell of the city-State (civilization,) right after magic HayZeus comes again in the clouds.
TechnoTriumphalism = American Cargo Cult
I don't think there is enough methane in everyone on the planet to propel that.
If you eliminate cock oil, how would you lube yourself?
...Which is privatizing profits, and externalizing the very real and tragic human costs of industrial civilization.
Indeed. Privatize profits. What else is there?
Hmmmm? Let me think about this. What else is there besides profits?
Oooo, ooooo, wait, I got it. LOSSES.
Capitalism is fueled by the desire for profit and tempered by the fear of bankruptcy. When a coercive institution, like government, which has the ability to initiate force and/or fraud against people with no fear or retribution, enters the picture and socializes losses, the Capitalist system becomes perverted, and open to attack from hostile parties. Hostile parties like idiot primitivists.
You're ignoring them.
Sounds like there needs to be a fair dispute resolution system that can serve the affected third parties, as well as contract disputs.
Hmmmmm. Let me think about this.
http://www.tomwbell.com/writings/JurisPoly.html
You speak of more fantasy conjectures, to placate the victims into accepting some future salvation from the horrors happening right NOW.
Huge increases in birth defects, with birth defects caused by pollution is the capitalism that IS.
Yet the capitalists want to take all the profit from their activity, and ignore the wake of ruination left in their path.
A=A
Why would you privatize the FDA? I don't see its purpose.
Or check with F Hart - he has a process that sounds like it can take out the jar issue altogether although I don't know the cost of the extractor and storage tank.
That makes a lot of sene dude.
web-privacy.au.tc
Food= DRUGS !
"The data is so overwhelming the field has to accept it," said Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. "We are finding tremendous overlap between drugs in the brain and food in the brain."
Brain scans of obese people and compulsive eaters, meanwhile, reveal disturbances in brain reward circuits similar to those experienced by drug abusers.
The science is settled.
Well, no shit. They're both just biologically active chemicals.
Look, all you fart-bottling idiots. It's already being done by the people at Argon.
Now, I'm going back to Catholic High School Girls In Trouble.
This is my first time checking out H&R this weekend (spoofs of me seem to have been quite busy though, wtf is that?), and I can say I've rarely been more glad to have chosen college football over it. WTF? I'm ashamed for defending rather/WI from the banhammer the other day. What a waste he/she has made this thread, the one thing that I think one can learn from this is ironically that private property is fundamental to a decent working community because it provides the grounds to evict a**holes who would ruin what other people enjoy.
I'd like to have a conversation about Wilkinson's comments. I think they are spot on in recognizing that for many libertarians a reactionary gut focus on responsibility is the source of affinity with the right as opposed to a focus on the exercise of liberty in lifestyle which would create an affinity with the left. But I doubt any decent conversation could be had on anything with the out-of-control trolling here, so I'll simply conclude with something much more important and uncontroversial: Go Steelers!
Constant stimulation with tasty, calorie- laden foods may desensitize the brain's circuitry, leading people to consume greater quantities of junk food to maintain a constant state of pleasure.
The FDA is gonna need a lot more SWAT teams.
Dammit, MiNGe. Now we've got the Steelers in common, too?
Aw, fuck. 😛
the one thing that I think one can learn from this is ironically that private property is fundamental to a decent working community because it provides the grounds to evict a**holes who would ruin what other people enjoy.
+1
Comments are owned by the readers who post them.
+1? Or disagree?
The only thing I'm "ruining" is the willful evasion of your religio-economic dogma's contradictions.
It's ok, I once did it too, as a true believer in capitalism/libertarianism.
Check your premises.
Comments are owned by the readers who post them.
Nope. I do not support IP.
Read above. WAY the HELL above! LOL
The only thing I'm "ruining" is the willful evasion of your religio-economic dogma's contradictions.
You are a contradiction.
Nuh-uh. Once you post a comment on a message board it's owned by the owner of the board (to the extent it's owned by anyone).
If you want IP, you have to publish it yourself or contract with a publisher to do so.
Now it's demanding property rights for words... when it isn't demanding that the only "legitimate" property are basic living essentials.
Wonder if it rents a place to live, or owns one...
At least now you know you were wrong. And knowing is half the battle!
This thread should totally have been about Ken Kesey and Barry Goldwater.
Spoofs? Nice try.
Twenty-eight scientific studies and papers on food addiction have been published this year, according to a National Library of Medicine database. As the evidence expands, the science of addiction could become a game changer for the $1 trillion food and beverage industries.
Can we kill science now?
Do we need to? I thought science committed suicide at the IPCC meeting last May in Amsterdam.
Or, did it suck it's own cock? I can't remember now.
Science the Destroyer
by Ran Prieur | October 25, 2002
http://www.ranprieur.com/essays/scidest.html
So, Science is Gozer?
This thread's got what trolls need. It's got electrolytes.
Only when you can't compete, loser.
...that the competition, even if competition is inferior to cooperation.
Which works better, competition or cooperation? The answer, without equivocation, is cooperation. Although most people are surprised by this, scientists have repeatedly verified it in hundreds of studies since the late 1800s. Yet big business, the educational system, the health-care community, and most parents continue to encourage competition, almost totally neglecting the power of cooperation...
COMPETITION VS. COOPERATION By Perry
W. Buffington, Ph.D.
http://www.charleswarner.us/articles/competit.htm
Why must one choose? Can't both exist simultaneously?
Oh wait, "forced" cooperation existed in anarchist Spain for a short period. It turned out to not be so "cooperative" after all.
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm
Must? You said that.
That's weak.
Must.
verbal auxiliary
1
a : be commanded or requested to b : be urged to : ought by all means to
2
: be compelled by physical necessity to : be required by immediate or future need or purpose to
3
a : be obliged to : be compelled by social considerations to b : be required by law, custom, or moral conscience to c : be determined to d : be unreasonably or perversely compelled to
4
: be logically inferred or supposed to
5
: be compelled by fate or by natural law to
6
: was or were presumably certain to : was or were bound to
Are you willing to FORCE people to cooperate and FORCEFULLY prevent people from competing, or are you willing to let people decide for themselves?
Yeah, I know what "must" means. But you used it, and then accuse me of meaning "must."
You've leveled a false imputation.
However, I'll answer your question anyway: no. I abhor forcing people to do anything.
Which is why I am anti-city-STATE.
Has anyone stopped to consider how the agricultural city-st...
Just kidding, have a nice weekend!
LOL
WI is better at competing...this week than they were last week, when they went into Columbus and got handed another loss at the hands of the resurgent Buckeyes, who are primed to win their division and play for the BigTen Championship if they win out and get a little help from already-mentioned WI or the Cornshuckers.
O-H...
...I-O
Did you know buckeyes are mostly useless nuts?
Yes, but did you know that all White Indians were horse apples?
Yes, sloopy, that's a clever one, and now we shall heartily laugh.
The jig is up!
I rarely respond to WI, or participate in threads he has polluted, yet he/she knows to call me "sloopy," instead of sloopyinca? Only a regular would know that, as only a regular knows what "sloopy" and "inCA" are all about.
Shenanigans! SHENANIGANS!!!
Really? I thought you were just a slovenly indigenous resident of the Andes.
No go run and play.
Or stay and hang on.
It told you "no go run and play", Tulpa. Guess you'd better stay in your house and do nothing, as it has just commanded.
Watch out, it might demand the right to shit on your living-room floor.
sloopy,
"This, however, is different. The relevant data points are:
a) we have an identity whose obvious purpose is to disrupt normal discourse.
b) this is a site which represents one of only a few targets of its kind in existence.
These two factors strongly suggest that the reason.com comments have been targeted for a deliberate dos attack, and that this is what is currently taking place. Whether it is undertaken by an individual, or a small group of individuals, whether for pay, or simply for kicks, is neither here nor there.
If the troll is paid, it cannot reveal in public that this is so; ignoring it till it calculates that it is no longer serving any purpose is the only option. If it is not, it will lose interest after talking to a wall for a given amount of time, so again, ignoring it is the only option.
The rational response is deliberate non-response."
This really isn't hard to grasp:
Vermin shit is here for attention; once attention is denied, vermin shit will depart. Don't feed the vermin shit!
How hard can this be!?
I've only fed it like twice.
**runs away sobbing**
Da, tovarisch, you will soon root out the ENEMY of the city-STATE.
You don't have to respond to feed it, you only have to mention it.
Your constant reminders to stop feeding it are like shouting "SHUT UP!" over and over again when people whisper in the theater.
Embrace the suck.
"You don't have to respond to feed it, you only have to mention it."
Disagreed.
If vermin shit gets no responses, vermin shit will soon tire of shouting down an empty pipe.
Both the regulars and the trolls here are delusional. They seem to think that their commentary matters. In fact, they think that their commentary is the most compelling thing about H&R; not the articles written by professionals, but the inane chattering of bored narcissists whose endless, repetitive blathering will have not the slightest impact on world events.
You're right, of course, but Tony still keeps coming back.
1528 comments? Don't want to be left out. Hey, is it 10:43 or 9:43?
Time to fart in a jar.
Fuck. I thought this thread would be enjoyable now that I'm drunk. Fuck.
That's like pretending you could get drunk enough to fuck Janet Napolitano.
You'd be dead long before.
Cover her with a flag and fuck her for old glory.
As the evidence expands, the science of addiction could become a game changer for the $1 trillion food and beverage industries.
MMMMMMMMMMMMM, doooooonuuuuuts.
Tebow>SEC football OOC scheduling
The Meet the Press crew are deeply concerned about Herman Cain.
2000 comments, we can do it.
Count me in.
wow, rectal is fatter than I thought.
no wonder she hates agriculture so much.
it's not your fault rectal. it's the HFCS.
Agricultural city-Statists, that is.
Home Fried Chicken Strips?
City-Statists are now 69 percent corn.
69%
And got Diseases of Civilization skyrocketing.
Ain't the city-State grand?
If we are what we eat, Americans are corn and soy
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-0.....=PM:HEALTH
Chicken-fried french fries?
After watching the LSU/AL game, I am thorougly unimpressed with both teams. It was a game of, "We can drive on your defense until we're JUST out of field goal range, then your defense clamps down."
Also feel bad for the AL kickers. Saban should be blamed for putting them in bad situations, not the kickers.
Maybe being a Buckeyes fan has spoiled me IRT having competent kickers, but Bama missed 3 FG's in the 40-49 yd range last night.
Fuck them. They deserved to lose that horrible game. Now the O(klahoma)SU-KSU game was where it's at. That game was a blast to watch.
And I'm sorry, CBS has the worst commentary in college football. I'd rather they put Shannon Sharpe on Saturdays by himself than listen to those two nitwits talk gibberish.
I'd rather have Shannon Sharpe call play by play with a Fran Drescher laugh track as the color commentary. And throw in Tim McCarver as the sideline guy for the coup de grace.
I think Braxton is going to be a great QB. That is if they can keep him healthy. I don't understand why they're not having him roll out on those pass plays, especially when our receivers can't find a way to get open. Also, I know our DB's are young but we should have had at least three picks yesterday. I'll take the win though. Go Bucks!
Same shit, different day.
The Republican Party, after winning back control of the House in 2010, has reverted to the penny-pinching of an earlier era, the green eyeshade Grand Old Party of Herbert Hoover and Robert Taft, advocating a "root canal" approach to governance evident in the first budget passed by the Republican-controlled House ? the Paul Ryan "path to prosperity" budget with $4 trillion in cuts ? and the subsequent Aug. 2 debt ceiling agreement.
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Less obviously, but just as racially charged, is the assault on public employees. "We can no longer live in a society where the public employees are the haves and taxpayers who foot the bills are the have-nots," declared Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin.
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Conservatives are more willing to inflict harm on adversaries and more readily see conflicts in zero-sum terms ? the basic framework of the contemporary debate. Once austerity dominates the agenda, the only question is where the ax falls.
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In many respects, austerity feeds on itself. If the country needs to invest in education and rebuilding infrastructure to regain competitiveness, as many economists of varying ideological stripes argue, those initiatives are in large part precluded in a political environment that places top priority on deficit and debt reduction. Retrenchment, in effect, becomes a noose, choking off prospects for growth.
The country is going to Hell in a handcart, and we all know whose fault it is.
Pretending to be serious about "pinching pennies" = "racially-charged".
Orwell, grave, spinning.
News of the World
Only a regular would know that, as only a regular knows what "sloopy" and "inCA" are all about.
Shenanigans! SHENANIGANS!!!
It IS a regular.
That's the fucking problem.
...will soon root out the quite irregular Enemy of the city-STATE!
White Indian said unto them, If thou wilt be perfect, gambol and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in Mother Earth: and come and follow me.
~ verse 21, chapter 11, The Jefferson Bible [adapted]
Well it's time to stop reading this painful exercise in self flagellation, and get some real work done: Using the benefits of industrial agriculture to make tasty, tasty beer at home!
Sweet Cthulhu, Groovus, that is the weirdest thing I have ever seen the squirrels do.
Wait, whut?
The contention that a flat tax would be simpler because it involves only a single rate is flatly wrong. The complexity of the current system has nothing to do with its multiple income brackets.
The hard step in figuring your tax bill is to compute your adjusted gross income ? roughly, the amount you earn, less the myriad exemptions, deductions and various other offsets described in the 3.4-million-word code of the Internal Revenue Service. You'd also have to calculate your adjusted gross income under a flat tax. But once you've completed that step under either system, you consult the tax tables to see how much you owe. In the current system, the entries have multiple brackets and rates already built into them, so this step is no harder than it would be under the tables for a flat tax.
Holy dissembling obfuscation, Batman!!
It's official, the Grey Lady has Alzheimer's.
I thought the whole point of the flat tax was to get rid of all the "exemptions, deductions and various other offsets." If somebody is proposing a flat tax that allows those things its not a fucking flat tax.
I think the NYT's entire argument against a flat tax comes down to, "the tables are just as easy to read in our current system."
And they employ how many Nobel Prize winning economists?
I really do not have much to say today, but I feel this need to continue to post just to see if it will hit 2000.
That's ok. You're hardly the only one here who likes to hear themselves talk.
The Meet the Press crew are deeply concerned about Herman Cain.
Concerned meatspace trolls are concerned. Big deal.
Okieland got hit with a 5.6 earthquake. Not something that happens everyday. I suspect Banjos had something do with it.
That's right. Wasn't she gonna practice a little plate tectonics with her boyfriend last night?
I suspect Banjos had something do with it.
I thought her boyfriend declined to make the earth move for her.
WTF is wrong with that guy?
Okieland got hit with a 5.6 earthquake. Not something that happens everyday. I suspect Banjos had something do with it.
I warned him of what would happen if I didn't regularly get some, but noooooo, the bastard just had to watch Captain America.
Banjos, if you are under the age of 30 and need to make the earth move, I may just be your guy.
And for the record, comic book movies suck donkey balls.
Now she knows you'll dump her when she turns 40.
How completely infantile is a CULTure that tries to erase by hook, crook, or surgery the wisdom earned on a woman's face?
Don't listen to this asshole, Banjos. That's at least ten years down the road.
Whyte referred to the ground women "lost relative to men when humans first abandoned a simple hunting and gathering way of life," and Simone de Beauvoir saw in the cultural equation of plow and phallus a fitting symbol of the oppression of women.
Agriculture: Demon Engine of Civilization
by John Zerzan
http://rewild.info/anthropik/l.....ilization/
Remember, I told you that the Greeks equate agriculture to rape in the story of the rape of Demeter, the goddess of grain and agriculture, and the rape of her daughter Persephone.
Raping Mother Earth is hardest on women. Sado-Libertarian men get a big thrill out of dominating, just like Genesis 1:26-28 says to do. (And the same monotheistic hierarchy from which John Locke defends property.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
More Mother Earth bullshit.
This planet is NOT a sentient being.
Any dumbass who believes that, is beyond help.
This planet is NOT a sentient being.
Who said Mother Earth was sentient?
You?
FIFY, you're at about the 3rd grade level of argument. Weak.
OWS and Tea Partiers have nothing common. This claim is being made to legitimize the almost purely Marxist aims of OWS. Occupy X isn't indignant because the 1% is getting government handouts, but because they aren't getting government handouts. They are resentful that the government trough has limited standing room and simply want to expand the trough, not destroy the damn thing.
...economists have been the priesthood...
? Robert H. Nelson, ECONOMICS AS RELIGION
dependent on state salary and pension.
All apologists for the city-STATE (civilization.)
Are you a city-Statist? Blue, Red, Green, doesn't really matter.
FRAU EUROPE
[Frau Europe]
Now, the [PM] Prime Minister of the German Republic, Chancellor Angela Merkel, Time magazine crowed [Frau Europe], has the choice of becoming a historic figure in the history of Germany, by acting as a Chancellor of an Independent and Sovereign German State, as the [PM] of Japan Prime Minster Yukio Hatoyama of the [LDP] Liberal Democratic Party from the [9th] District of Hokkaid? has made a historic step by his redefinition of Japans relations with the American-Israeli Empire, ending Japan's refueling missions within the Indian Ocean of their fleets, and will call for the ending of the [2006] agreement allowing the [47K] Forty-Seven Thousand, Foothold Troops of Asian Occupation, to remain on Japanese soil, demanding their total removal from Japan, and its occupation of the southern Japanese Island of Okinawa, with the closing of their Marine Corp Air Station Futenma, Germany should call for the ending of the German Occupation by [60K] Sixty-Thousand Empire Troops, ending its Foothold in Europe, and as Japan called for a closer relationship with China, so Germany should call for a new vision of Europe, in the [21st] Century, a post American-Israeli Empire Era. As Japan has called for the creation of a [16] Sixteen Nation currency trading bloc within the Asian Sphere of Chinese Influence, the [10] Ten, [ASEAN] Association of Southeast Asian Nations, countries, who already want a single currency by [2020] the generally accepted end of the American-Israeli Empire, member would include; Japan, China, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand and India. So Germany should as the biggest and most creditworthy economy in Europe set the stardard of the nations of the [EU] European nations.
[Germany Vassal or Sovereign State]
The Wheel of Fate and Fortune has turned, the question now is will Angela take her place in history, stepping out of just being another [PM] of the type represented by the Scottish [PM] such as Gordon Brown, of England, more of a Senator from the American-Israeli Empire to the American-Israeli Empire State of England and its Commonwealth sub-counties, with a state parliament that simply rubber stamps what is presented to them by the Empires representative Gordon Brown. The hour glass of time is running out and it is said so as the sands of time flow thru it, so are the days of our live, and time waits for no one. There have been meetings concerning Germanys status basically, is Germany a Vassal State or Sovereign State, the conflict is being played out in Berlin, in meetings called the Afghanistan Rounds, but should be called the Future of Germany Rounds, with the first meeting held on [Dec.11th,2009], with Impetus Meeting too be held running right up to the [Confab] meeting to be held in The American-Israeli, State of England, the City of London, on [Jan. 28th,2010].
[Impetus Meetings]
German representative over the next [3] Three week will be involved in meeting with member states of the [EU] European Union, and [NATO] the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, [1st] Tuesday, 12th, Jan., in Abu Dhabi, a [2nd] meeting the scheduled the following week, and the [3rd] and most important what is called a Town Hall Meeting in Cologne, on Jan. 25th, just [3] Three days prior to the London meeting, in Cologne, Germany. The time has come for Germany to take charge of its own destiny, it is time to make a decision is Germany a Sovereign State of the [21st] Century or is it a Vassal State of the Empire. To quote The Economist magazine, At times like these people turn to Germany, the biggest and most creditworthy economy in Europe. That statement could not better reflect the general trend in Europe. Throughout (EU's) European Union's, short history, Germany's economic welfare has indicated the European economy as a whole fairly well. If Germany's indicators were up, then the Euro would move in the same direction and visa versa. The question German's need to ask is who is running the show in Germany, Germans or American-Israeli Empire puppets, and [Frau Europe] Angela Merkel to take a good look in a full length mirror and ask mirror, mirror on the wall am I the [PM] Prime Minister of the German Republic, Chancellor Angela Merkel, Time magazine crowed [Frau Europe], or just another puppet on a string. It is time for Germany to take its place in the [21st] Century, and as Canada has done announced its unequivocal withdrawal, being insistent and making it crystal clear that Germany intends to withdraw [ALL] German Combat Troops Contingents by [May 1st 2011]. There will be [NO] German involvement upon the Islamic Crescent / Arabian Peninsula, beyond civilian missions of humanitarian nature, and that of proving training and the tools for [Self Supporting Security Missions], any diplomatic activities will be handled thru the German Embassy, with only the normal security forces in the embassy, and embrace the [Self Supporting Security] Strategy in any future German military operations, within [NATO]
[Self Supporting Security]
The process of Self Supporting Security is seen by the Community of Nations as the only rational approach to the solution to failed states which have collapsed serving as incubators of terrorism. The true reality is it is not logical that an organization such as [NATO] or even the American-Israeli Empire alone too give expectations, or assurance's of viable government as either non-occupational or occupational forces artificially propping up a weak and unpopular government, beyond those held in place by force by occupational forces, which won't mean a thing, unless that force is held in place. Rather the objectives for the mission's would be providing an open hand of support with the creation of and establishment of viable, functioning stable state governments not necessary democratic or even western in style, within regions by aiding to help rebuild the government infra-structure's, creating some acceptable rule of law both internally and internationally, which fit the norms of civilized society, able to create their own methods of maintaining the governance of their country, thru the process of Self Supporting Security a reasoned approach, built upon a pre-planned training and transitional exit strategy based upon, providing training to police, paramilitary, and military forces, supplying the tools, and prerequisite instructions upon which too establish and gain the trust of the people of that failed government or region, with a gradual transfer of power, turning over control, district by district, province by province, but within a pre-set and established time frame for the complete, total and unequivocal, withdrawal upon the completion of that Self Supporting Security Training Mission, with [NO] troops of unlimited durational occupation maintained within these regions, or nation states, Peace thru non-aggressive, temporary military support and training.
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN
This threads got what HERC needs. It's got [ELECT]rolytes.
Oh God HERC that just one post!!
Hercule isn't the troll we deserve- but he's the one we need right now.
Ah thank god. This can't be the worst thread ever now that our saviour has arrived.
Just remember, this thread can't spell TEAM without going Ass To Mouth.
With the extra E for Enema.
Would You Know Who do Ass To Mouth *before* shitting on your living-room floor... or *after*?
How completely infantile is a CULTure that tries to erase by hook, crook, or surgery the wisdom earned on a woman's face?
Wisdom is what is in your head, not in your body or age. Same with maturity. I have met people twice my age who acted like whiny infantile children and continued to make the same mistakes they were making in their 20s well into their 50s. Even though I am only 29 (and look 22/23, even younger with no makeup) I am overseeing 3 people at law firm in their 50s who need people to constantly hold their hand. They are scared little children afraid to make fucking decisions or get off their fucking asses to take the initiative to learn something. I won't even talk about all the obnoxious old fuck Team Blue and Team Red members who are still spewing the same old cheap rhetoric that I heard as a little girl while being subjected to talk radio. They never leave the comfort of what they know to actually learn and grow. Age alone does not automatically grant someone wisdom, it just grants them useless wrinkles.
Oooh, ya gone 'n done it now, Banjos!
You should have refused to see the Cap'n America movie. I suspect a chain of events was set into motion, and not even a DeLorean arriving from the future can repair the space/time fissure.
I just hope we don't hear hoofbeats and horns next...
...gives a thorough thrashing to the lazy, shiftless sinners in the hands of an angry overseer.
It's a Dilbert world out there.
P.S. Hierarchy is an unnecessary evil.
We gain nothing from it, but lose much to it. The only one who benefits from hierarchy is the hierarch himself. This makes hierarchy an unnecessary evil.
Thesis #11: Hierarchy is an unnecessary evil.
by Jason Godesky | 21 October 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/2.....sary-evil/
... Even though I am only 29 (and look 22/23, even younger with no makeup)...
I'll be in my bunk.
Oh, heavens! Not Jason Godesky! He's too smart for us!
Who the fuck is Jason Godesky?
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
And whose getting their city-Statist contradictions handed to them in a hat in this chess game of ideas?
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
Hmm, people make useless off-topic comments like:
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
and reply with:
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
Hmm, people make useless off-topic comments like:
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
and reply with:
?
*barf*
...to induce fear in their trembling little city-Statist submissives, as follows:
"Cave man" and 'Neanderthal' are still invoked to remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil. This ideological view of our past has been radically overturned in recent decades, through the work of academics like Richard Lee and Marshall Sahlins. A nearly complete reversal in anthropological orthodoxy has come about, with important implications. Now we can see that life before domestication/agriculture was in fact largely one of leisure, intimacy with nature, sensual wisdom, sexual equality, and health. This was our human nature, for a couple of million years, prior to enslavement by priests, kings, and bosses.
~John Zerzan
Future Primitive
http://www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm
And so do Libertarians, as they're all a bunch of wannabee Republicans whipholders.
And I shall count coup on your sorry capitalist-submissive parroting you learned from your socio-politically superior Masters.
P.S. Why do you suppose the rich pay economists to come up with this capitalist bullshit....and you're still wage slaving, or toiling away at some "job" you made for yourself?
Hell, the beloved whorEconomist even crowed about it.
You are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. ~Ludwig von Mises, well paid whore to the dominants, to psychopath Ayn Rand, January 23, 1956
P.P.S. Eddie Willer worked his fingers to the bone. He got abandoned bony fingers.
Why do you refuse the Rogue River Challenge? Live free and make $5000. It should be easy for you.
LIVE YOUR BRAND! FROLICK IN THE WOODS!
Let me know when the Biome has been healed enough for herds of buffalo to roam from Virginia to the Rockies in Oak Savannah and grassy plains.
And the city-State isn't aggressively restricting free movement of free families on the Land with Statist Gambol Lockdown.
kthnks
Adapt or die, bitch.
Ultimately, there is a merciless elegance to the horror of collapse. Its destruction is not arbitrary or random. Every individual human being will be presented with a choice, as to whether or not we wish to die. We will have to choose, whether we will remain civilized even unto death, or whether we will choose to find a new way to live. It is a choice. The Greenlanders, the Hohokam and the Anasazi all chose to die as civilized men, rather than imagine a different life. They were aware of alternatives that lurked on their periphery. They probably did not understand it as a choice, nor did they ever really conceive of the alternative. The choice was made on a much deeper level. For them, there was never any other choice?they were civilized. So they were born, and so they would die. Nothing else was even conceivable. A choice made from such deep convictions that it never enters the conscious mind is a choice, nonetheless.
The collapse will be natural selection in its most amoral, merciless form. We cannot?must not?take away any individual's choice. That choice is the last sacred thing we have left. We cannot choose death for them through violence; yet it would be just as wrong to force them to choose life. Nearly all of our species will likely choose to die, just like every other time the choice has been posed. That cannot be changed. What we can change is ourselves, and our own choice. We can help as many people as we can to understand the situation we now face, and the choice that they must make. We cannot choose for them?but we can make sure they understand that they do have a choice. We will always be a fringe of a fringe, but every last individual we can reach is a whole world of possibilities we have saved?as the Talmud teaches, "whoever saves one soul, is regarded as if he had saved a whole world." (Mishna Sanhedrin 37a)
Thesis #28: Humanity will almost certainly survive.
by Jason Godesky | 17 January 2006
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/
Jason Godetsky, that name sounds familiar...wasn't he on an episode of "To Catch a Predator"?
It happened a long time ago. In the new, Magic Land. The Indians and the buffalo, they existed hand-in-hand.
Yeah, it was all right!
I used to know a guy who built sound systems for those BigBoomDeBoom car stereo contests.
It didn't matter if the music completely and utterly sucked, they were only interested in playing it really really loud.
Anybody have some good recipes for an unusual chicken casserole?
But Banjos, without wrinkles, what path are single tears shed of native wisdom to follow?
But Banjos, without wrinkles, what path are single tears shed of native wisdom to follow?
Just like our resident troll, that fucker was not a real native. Fuck, his tear wasn't even real.
...to help industry sell cans.
...the ad was a fraud. It's no big secret that the crying Indian was neither crying nor Indian
The fraudulence of Keep America Beautiful is less well known...
Consumers had to be trained to be wasteful. Part of this re-education involved forestalling any debate over the wisdom of creating disposables in the first place, replacing it with an emphasis on "proper" disposal. Keep America Beautiful led this refocusing on the symptoms rather than the system. The trouble was not their industry's promulgation of throwaway stuff; the trouble was those oafs who threw it away.
At the same time, the container industry lobbied hard behind the scenes. In 1957, with little fanfare, Vermont's senate caved to the pressure and declined to renew its reusable bottle law.
In 1960, the year Keep America Beautiful teamed up with the Ad Council, disposables delivered just 3 percent of the soft-drink market. By 1966, it was 12 percent, and growing fast....
The Crying Indian
How an environmental icon helped sell cans -- and sell out environmentalism
by Ginger Strand
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.ph.....icle/3642/
...as the bullshit industrialist-led Keep America Beautiful did to the environment, that is, trash it.
The Hierarchy always grooms their useful idiots.
LIVE YOUR BRAND, WHITE IDJIT! GO TO ROGUE RIVER!
Let me know when the Biome has been healed enough for herds of buffalo to roam from Virginia to the Rockies in Oak Savannah and grassy plains.
And the city-State isn't aggressively restricting free movement of free families on the Land.
kthnks
Don't concern yourself with the buffalo. Concern yourself with all of the rabbit and salmon you will be unable to catch as you die, frostbitten and hungry, in the forests of southwestern Oregon.
What comes around, goes around|11.6.11 @ 2:53PM|#
Ultimately, there is a merciless elegance to the horror of collapse. Its destruction is not arbitrary or random. Every individual human being will be presented with a choice, as to whether or not we wish to die. We will have to choose, whether we will remain civilized even unto death, or whether we will choose to find a new way to live. It is a choice. The Greenlanders, the Hohokam and the Anasazi all chose to die as civilized men, rather than imagine a different life. They were aware of alternatives that lurked on their periphery. They probably did not understand it as a choice, nor did they ever really conceive of the alternative. The choice was made on a much deeper level. For them, there was never any other choice?they were civilized. So they were born, and so they would die. Nothing else was even conceivable. A choice made from such deep convictions that it never enters the conscious mind is a choice, nonetheless.
The collapse will be natural selection in its most amoral, merciless form. We cannot?must not?take away any individual's choice. That choice is the last sacred thing we have left. We cannot choose death for them through violence; yet it would be just as wrong to force them to choose life. Nearly all of our species will likely choose to die, just like every other time the choice has been posed. That cannot be changed. What we can change is ourselves, and our own choice. We can help as many people as we can to understand the situation we now face, and the choice that they must make. We cannot choose for them?but we can make sure they understand that they do have a choice. We will always be a fringe of a fringe, but every last individual we can reach is a whole world of possibilities we have saved?as the Talmud teaches, "whoever saves one soul, is regarded as if he had saved a whole world." (Mishna Sanhedrin 37a)
Thesis #28: Humanity will almost certainly survive.
by Jason Godesky | 17 January 2006
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/
Isn't Jason Godetsky the guy who sells fake IPODs?
*barf*
The Indians needed food, and some skins for a roof. They only took what they needed, bitchez. Zillions of buffalo were the proof.
Tulpa, WTF is "unusual chicken?" Is that like "long pig?"
Anybody have some good recipes for an unusual chicken casserole?
I suggest you use any standard casserole cream mix, noodles of choice, and throw in some spinach.
Add powdered grape mix to the cream sauce, Tulpy Poo, to keep that purple monster off your back. I admit I'm concerned when you run for the Dimetapp when the desire for Grape Neji rears its ugly head. Someone has to teach OWS'ers calculus and linear algebra. Or do you drink cheap generic brand soda? You know that rotgut will kill your kidneys.
Also add essence of OWS'er sympathizer for that gamey aftertaste. On a college campus, they shouldn't be hard to find.
This is a really dumb thread. How in the world did it get so long?
Like John Wayne Bobbitt, if you give a guy an inch...
Whatever happened to that louse? I'd prefer not pollute my google with that search.
Even if you gave him an inch, wis wife would have taken it away.
According to Wikipedia, that is precisely what she took:
Grabbing the knife, Lorena Bobbitt entered the bedroom where John was sleeping and proceeded to cut off approximately 2.5cm, nearly half of his penis,
So they restored his dick to its previous magnificent two inch length and he subsequently went into porn movies?! Sumpin' wrong with this story.
Bobbit went into porn.
Apparently, Condoleeza Rice was opposed to the Iraq War.
She did an EXCELLENT job of endeavoring to persevere, if that actually was the case.
Both the regulars and the trolls here are delusional. They seem to think that their commentary matters. In fact, they think that their commentary is the most compelling thing about H&R; not the articles written by professionals, but the inane chattering of bored narcissists whose endless, repetitive blathering will have not the slightest impact on world events.
WELL! I've been properly chastised. How ever will I cope? It's time to go to one those nativist inner-manchild retreats.
Apparently, Condoleeza Rice was opposed to the Iraq War.
She did an EXCELLENT job of endeavoring to persevere, if that actually was the case.
Was she now? So she was against that clusterfuck before she was for it? Consulting my Magic 8-Ball:
(**Not likely**)
Julio JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONES!!!!!!!!!
I see your Jones and raise you a Germon Bushrod.
articles written by professionals
Like Steve Chapman and Ron Hart?
I prefer the unpaid commenterers.
How does Bama only drop to #4?
The fucking SEC bias is a goddamn joke. They play almost nobody OOC, play their bowl games almost exclusively at home, and are top-heavy every year.
Fuck CBS, fuck the SEC and fuck ESPN for slobbering on their cock so much they aided in destroying the Big 12.
Fuck em all!
Save a couple of fucks for Texas, their cheerleader, Dan Beebe, for Baylor trying to flex muscle they don't actually have.
I'm from Texas so I'm more of a Big-12 guy (my alma mater is in a nonbcs conference) but you can't argue with results. The SEC has been winning the national championship quite frequently lately, beating teams from all over the place.
Commenting on the futility and irrelevancy of commenting. Priceless.
Killer wheat: How wheat should come with a health warning
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/0.....ou-skinny/
*barf*
articles written by professionals
Yes, Weigal was such a literary catch. Terry Micheals was a swell pile of swill as well.
Don't forget Michael Young.
*barf*
I prefer the unpaid commenterers.
Brooksie, you need a new agent. I'm riding the Koch train shilling express.
KOCHTOPUS!
Anybody have some good recipes for an unusual chicken casserole?
Leave the feathers on.
You can start by using a different type of cream.
This thread needs a little blogwhoring
*barf*
Let's take a few minutes to revisit Hot Chicks of Occupy Wall Street.
That was more disappointing than Naked Lunch.
Drape a little black velvet around Number 2 and you've got one of those Keane paintings.
*barf*
1: dirty hippie
2: what happened to the bottom her face? Part of it's missing.
3: hot
4: average at best
5: is she on her way to rob a train?
6: probably her best angle
7: she stole #5's boots
8: Yoda eyes
9: hot
10: wayfarers with clear lenses=retard. nice raincoat, tho.
That's your worst limerick yet.
LIVE Toxicity +? Goodbye Blue Sky (Pink Floyd Cover, starts at 4:30)?
System of a Down?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyb3jwo_LU
Ten thousand years ago in Mesopotamia?
A new type of thinking was developed
?One that involved?
Totalitarian agriculture
?And now...
Goodbye blue sky(x2)
?Goodbye?
We've fallen asleep as people,?
As animals on this planet?
(goodbye blue sky)
?We are here to nurture our planet?
(goodbye blue sky)
?We are here to help garden this fuck'n place?
Not destroy it for godssake!
I am sick and tired of unequal globalism?
I am sick and tired of fascism?
I am sick and tired of this type of people?
*barf*
But then came the white man with his thick and empty head he couldn't see past the billfold. He wanted all the buffalo dead.
It was sad, It was sad
If this photo ever belonged on a thread it was this one.
Premise Fourteen: From birth on?and probably from conception, but I'm not sure how I'd make the case?we are individually and collectively enculturated to hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves. If we did not hate the world, we could not allow it to be destroyed before our eyes. If we did not hate ourselves, we could not allow our homes?and our bodies?to be poisoned.
Derrick Jensen
Endgame
http://www.endgamethebook.org/.....emises.htm
*barf*
Derrick Jensen wrote a book? Wow, I guess you really can overcome a beastiality conviction and do something with your life.
Good for him!
No good for us!
Well, I looked above the canyon walls and some strong eyes did I see. I think it's somebody comin' around to save my ass, bitchez.
I think, I think he's gonna come around to save you and me.
I have this feeling sometime there's something more to mathematics than having a word for one thing, two things, and more than two things, and that somehow it would be beautiful and mentally stimulating. Oh well, back to scratching fleas.
I keep coming back to this thread like an abused woman to her a**hole boyfriend. Is there a record for comments on this site?
Since there are only finitely many threads on H&R, there must be a maximum number of comments.
Reason needs to use that as their logo:
Reading H&R comments is the abuse boyfriend syndrome -but what a fuck
*barf*
I lurked, I laughed, I wept. Strawmen created, saved and skullfucked. One more non threaded comment added.
Reason #594 not to use Reasonable
*barf*
Ohhh, me so hungry, me feed you long time.
I keep coming back to this thread like an abused woman to her a**hole boyfriend. Is there a record for comments on this site?
I assume this one. But it took years to bring it up that high. It would be awesome to be able to beat it in one weekend.
Tulpy Poo, you are a sick, sick fuck.
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A week ago , President Obama unveiled a series of executive orders to address the ever-growing student loan debt crisis in America. Billed by the White House as a direct response to a petition I created on the White House's new "We the People" petition site, the president announced the implementation of already-passed changes to the government's student loan program.
The changes could be found in the fine print. The Income Based Repayment (IBR) program included in last year's Affordable Care Act would be moved up from 2014 to 2012. And certain types of federal loans would be eligible for consolidation and enrollment in IBR. That was it. That was the entirety of the president's response to a petition signed by over 30,000 Americans calling for across-the-board student loan forgiveness as a means of economic stimulus. Obama also announced the creation of a new form that would allow people to calculate their educational costs and repayment obligations. Inspirational? Hardly.
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As someone who has student loan debt myself, it occurred to me that if I were suddenly relieved of my obligation to repay the approximately $500 in student loan payments that I dutifully make each and every month without fail, I'd have an extra $500 per month, every month, to spend on ailing sectors of the economy. Think of it as a trickle-up approach to economic stimulus.
My point in writing the essay wasn't to say that I didn't want to pay back what I had borrowed. Rather, it was to say that if we truly wanted to stimulate economic growth, I had a better, more efficient way of accomplishing that goal.
If you can create bank assets by magic, why can't you destroy them by magic? I'm sure Elizabeth Warren would approve.
And, of course, the thought of saving that money never even enters his hollow little head.
We're doooooomed.
Holy fuck. The stupid is both wide and deep in that Salon article. I will only torment you with this last little gem:
We need a Congress willing to work with the president on easing the enormous burdens faced by millions of Americans who find themselves in such dire straits because they made the decision to better themselves through higher education.
If, by better themselves through higher education you really mean buy a pig in a poke, you're still full of shit, Bob.
Part of this re-education involved forestalling any debate over the wisdom of creating disposables in the first place
Whoa whoa whoa.
There is no "debate" to have.
You don't get to call for a debate.
In the absence of the existence of a state, how would you stop me?
"Debating" whether or not we're going to have disposable items implies that you can somehow stop me if you decide they aren't "wise".
And you couldn't.
In the absence of property ownership, I could mine anywhere I wanted, make anything I wanted, and throw the waste anywhere I wanted.
I could come wherever you were sleeping and shit on your face, and then pile disposable cans and razors right on top of your worthless cunt.
How in the fuck do you propose to stop me? Personally?
The Lord Humungous might offer you an honorable compromise, but I would not.
When you imagine our propertyless future, imagine my shit falling into your face. Forever.
Fluffy,
The Anarcho part of anarchocommunism just means there is no check on their power after they are in charge of the state.
Property is theft!
Interest is robbery!
...In the absence of the existence of a state, how would you stop me?
Can you tell me how humans lived on the earth for nearly 2 million year years without your benevolent and peaceful state?
Then you can answer your own question.
P.S. You have to be able to read sorta big words in a freshman anthropology text.
Can you tell me how humans lived on the earth for nearly 2 million year years without your benevolent and peaceful state?
Who said the state is either benevolent or peaceful?
Oh, and LIVE YOUR BRAND! TAKE THE ROGUE RIVER CHALLENGE!
I guess the troll attack continues unabated. One thing, they have finally showed their hands. White Indian is nothing but a collection of cut and paste from various primitivist websites. So their is not "White Indian". It is just cut and past each of them put up under the name. There seems to be at least two of them. There is rather, who has admitted to being White Indian and is never on a thread when there isn't White Indian. Then there is closeted gay guy. This is the one who puts up the "short..." handles and calls everyone gay as some form of projection and self loathing.
What are you going to do? Reason was a good site before all of this. I understand why they don't require registration and don't moderate. They want it to be a place where anyone can stumble in and join the conversation.
Sadly libertarian and right leaning sites can't do that anymore. Leftists cannot abide by anyone but them having a voice. And everyone and everything must either be co-opted into a tool for the leftist cause or destroyed. Since they can't co-opt this, they will destroy it. Why they think a site with a few thousand readers and twenty or thirty regular posters is worth this kind of attention is beyond me. But they do.
So what are you going to do? You can't just continue to wallow in shit with these people. I will miss Hit and Run. There is nowhere else quite like it. Althouse is okay, but the conservatives tend to be rightwing versions of Tony and the lefties on there make Tony seem intelligent.
But if Reason isn't will to protect its own comment threads, then why continue to wallow in shit with these people just to maybe have an intelligent conversation with someone in between the noise?
WTF John,
I am not white indian
I never said I was
A troll said I was
STFU, John if you cannot take my word over a troll who keep on pretending it is me. I want this link that says it is me, and I'm going t to ask Reason to erase it or publish any IP that I did not write
I've had it with people who aren't aware enough to follow epi, gm, sf, pro lib, warty and helle's stupid game
BTW, mother fucker who stole my accounts, good luck
*barf*
Why don't you just update us on when you're not vomiting?
Just fart in a jar, you'll feel so much better.
Rather there has never been a thread with you on it that didn't also include White Indian. White Indian did not exist until you showed up. Closeted gay guy lurked but there was no white Indian. You obviously know closeted gay guy and are posting the white Indian posts with him.
If that is not true, just start posting under another name and leave the handle behind. And then get another blog. That way people won't associate your knew identity with white Indian and closeted gay guy.
Consider it a witness protection program for trolls. You can go legit.
I've got to say, I believe Rather when she says she's not White Indian. White Indian's a hell of a lot smarter than her, which says a lot.
Take a couple of sentences out of one of the posts and google it. You will find out where it comes from. Anyone can be White Indian
And anyone can fart in a jar. Think of the possibilities - never ending energy at your fingertips.
It's rather, she's admitted to it. Or one of her personalities has. Note the huge uproar when the email registration idea was being tossed around.
I said, above the canyon wall strong eyes did glow. It was the leader of the land, bitchez. Oh my God. The great white buffalo!
Look out, look out!!
...your ass on the way out.
I'll cut and paste my post on property for you again, and place it at the bottom, just for telling a big, whopper lie that my posts are all non-original.
Now fuck off, Liar John.
The great white buffalo is comin' around to make a final stand. Well, look out here he comes.
...even used "manifesto" like ol' Uncle Ted
Dude all of your shit is the same four or five pages of text pieced together from a few websites and pasted over and over by whoever is on duty that day. That is it. There is no White Indian. There is just trolls who paste dumb shit to screw up the conversation. Now run along and post under another name and call someone gay. There are therapists who specialize in latent homosexuality. If you don't come out of the closet, you will just get more and more self loathing. And before you know you are picking up guys at gay cruise ins and murdering them. That is pretty much where you are headed at this point.
And you are not fooling anyone. Not ever yourself. We all know the first guy to call everyone gay is gay himself and doesn't have the courage to deal with it. Do yourself and your future victims a favor and get some help.
Dude all of your shit is the same four or five pages of text pieced together from a few websites and pasted over and over by whoever is on duty that day. That is it. There is no White Indian. There is just trolls who paste dumb shit to screw up the conversation. Now run along and post under another name and call someone gay. There are therapists who specialize in latent homosexuality. If you don't come out of the closet, you will just get more and more self loathing. And before you know you are picking up guys at gay cruise ins and murdering them. That is pretty much where you are headed at this point.
And you are not fooling anyone. Not ever yourself. We all know the first guy to call everyone gay is gay himself and doesn't have the courage to deal with it. Do yourself and your future victims a favor and get some help.
oh the irony
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I'd appreciate it if Reason Magazine would use shorter titles for the articles. The title:
"Does My Alleged Disaffinity With OWS Help Explain a Fusionism I've Never Believed in?, and Other Pressing Questions From the Would-Be Hippie/Tea Party Divide"
shows up as:
"Does My Alleged Disaffinity With OWS Help Expla"
....on my google reader account.
Also, please use more acronyms. The whole title could be DMAD/OWS-HEAFINBI?&OPQFTW;-BH/TPD. I'd know right away to skip it.
5000 Russian Nationalists march on Moscow
Coming to a country near you!
In Russia, Red Square occupy you!
Yay Philip Rivers throwing 2 pick-6 in the 1st Q
Forget that. Packers scoring without Aaron Rodgers being involved is bad, bad news.
Houston, we have a problem...
Spurred by a spate of sex attacks in Zuccotti Park, Occupy Wall Street protesters built a "safe house" for women on Friday.
The 16-square-foot military frame tent is designed to shelter up to 30 women from the predators lurking around the lower Manhattan encampment.
"It will be used to protect ourselves from people out there," said Nan Terrie, 17, a protester from East Oakland Park, Fla. "I'm sick and tired of women getting taken advantage of, raped and murdered.
To be fair, the Tea Party rallies had assault problems too once the AFL-CIO guys showed up.
Wait... what will they do when the first lesbian rape occurs?
All heterosexual sex is rape. Duh.
Yeah, I totally need a phone that talks to me. So much easier to ask "how busy is my day today" and have the phone decide than to click on the Schedule icon and make up my mind for myself.
...schmooze alarm beside the bed. It had two settings, F and M.
M) "Good morning, handsome."
F) "Good morning, beautiful."
If you have to have a State protect your property, it's very likely because your property is illegitimate, and needs the force of naked aggression to take and keep.
[1] WHITE INDIAN EMBRACES LEGITIMATE, NON-STATIST ENFORCED PROPERTY
White Indian embraces property, legitimate property, as human have for hundreds of thousands of years.
What's the difference?
? Legitimate property is the stuff one needs to survive or personally enjoy, honored for hundreds of thousands of years by non-state society.
? Statist-enforced abstract ownership of Earth's resources well beyond what an "owner" can personally use or enjoy.
[2] WHITE INDIAN EMBRACES CAPITALIST AND LIBERTARIAN JUSTIFICATION OF PROPERTY
Libertarians justify property as the things and resources that are necessary to human survival. Examples are as follows:
? ...if he must use and transform material natural objects in order to survive, then he has the right to own [property]... ~Murray Rothbard
? [Property] Rights are conditions of existence required by man's nature for his proper survival. ~Ayn Rand
[3] WHITE INDIAN REJECTS BAIT AND SWITCH
The bait-and-switch chicanery that capitalists engage in follows:
? BAIT: I need to own some things on earth as property that I need to survive or would enjoy personally.
? SWITCH: I need government to protect my "right" to own endless amounts of resources, well beyond what would ever be needed to survive or enjoy personally.
[4] WHITE INDIAN ASKS'um HEAP BIG QUESTIONS
? How do the 1% need 40% of the wealth to survive (or enjoy life?)
? How do the 10% need 85% of the wealth to survive (or enjoy life?)
[5] CONCLUSION
When poverty is present, yet others own more resources than they could possibly need to survive or personally enjoy, one may properly define such "ownership" as Statist-enforced Privation Property.
*barf*
I have this vague feeling somewhere, someday there'll be something more fulfilling musically than playing gourds and nose flutes, but somehow it seems that's all I'll ever know in my dirty, brutish life. Oh, excuse me, need to scratch a flea bite.
"Cave man" and 'Neanderthal' are still invoked to remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil. This ideological view of our past has been radically overturned in recent decades, through the work of academics like Richard Lee and Marshall Sahlins. A nearly complete reversal in anthropological orthodoxy has come about, with important implications. Now we can see that life before domestication/agriculture was in fact largely one of leisure, intimacy with nature, sensual wisdom, sexual equality, and health. This was our human nature, for a couple of million years, prior to enslavement by priests, kings, and bosses.
~John Zerzan
Future Primitive
http://www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm
Our lives are filled with toil, suffering at the vagaries of nature, tooth decay, rape, disease and early death. Hope far future scholars, who, of course, will have very little direct observation of our lives, don't look at a few misleading shards of evidence and mistakenly conclude the hunter-gatherer life is some idyll.
TO LIVE HIS BRAND.
And in general.
Your daily agricultural city-Statist aggression forcefully prevents it.
Lots of free open space in Canada, Alaska and Siberia primitard-go nuts.
Dick Proenneke walked his talk, but then he was a MAN.
Uh, I counted about 4 punches thrown by Patriots players after Brady got sacked and NO FUCKING FLAGS. Unbelievable.
If that were the Bears or the Raiders they would have forfeited the game.
I see. I had hoped you would find a girlfriend last night and change your filthy ways, but alas, no.
What's the lesson to be learned about commenting on threads on the weekend? Don't comment on threads on the weekend. The obsessive compulsives come out of their nests then.
Have you tried farting in a jar?
Well, now we know what really gets Reason commenters fired up.
It's not Israel.
It's not even circumcision.
It's whether or not there's a 'ME' in 'TEAM'.
I expect more grammer and spelling threads in the future.
more threads on cocks and homosexuality in the future, because it appears about 80% of the commenters here take it in the ass.
That's nothing. Wait until you meet the editorial staff.
I happen to have a lengthy treatise about the role of hunting an gathering in civilization. Don't need to click on any links; I will post the text here...
Oops, just saw a buffalo - dinner! Back later.
50 lbs Flour
50 lbs Bisquick
25 lbs Pancake mix
35 lbs Sugar
50 lbs Pinto Beans
25 lbs Rice
40 lbs Salt pork
25 lbs Salt
10 lbs Dried prunes
10 lbs Raisons
10 lbs Dried apricots
10 lbs Dried apples
10 lbs Dried peaches
25 lbs Oatmeal
10 lbs Honey
2 cases Tomato paste
25 lbs powdered milk
15 lbs [canned] Butter
25 lbs Corn meal
25 lbs [canned] Cheese
20 lbs Spaghetti Noodles
10 lbs Crisco
15 lbs Hot cocoa mix
10 lbs Dried eggs
5 lbs Strawberry Jam
3 lbs Apricot Jam
2 boxes Pilot bread
1 gal Maple Syrup
180 Multi vitamins
180 Vitamin C
1 lb [powdered dry] Yeast
180 Tea bags
1 lbs Pepper
1 lbs
Baking soda
8 lbs
Dried onions
1 lb Baking powder
1 lb. Corn starch
24 oz Garlic powder
12 oz Vanilla
2 rolls aluminum foil
1/2 gal Dish soap
5 bars non-scented soap
36 Canning lids (to can meat if we had a winter thaw or for leftover in the spring)
8 oz Hydrogen peroxide
2 oz Iodine
12 rolls Toilet paper
2 Small sponges
2 Scrub pads
1 roll Duct Tape
4 boxes of wooden Matches
24 Plumber's candles
500 rounds .22 long rifle hollow point ammo
100 .308 ammo 125 grain hollow point varmint ammo
20 rounds .308 ammo 180 grain (for Moose or Caribou )
Trapping license and regulations
Hunting license, moose tags and caribou tags
New snowshoe bindings
1 truck inner tube
3 New hacksaw blades
2 New Ax handles
8 Bow saw blades
36 oz Lanolin
6 Disposable lighters
12 gal White gas [aka Coleman Fuel]
12 Lantern mantels
6 oz. Gun oil
Trapping Lures, urine and musk
10 lbs Trap wax
2 rolls Survey ["flagging"] tape
1 pair Heavy Neoprene trapping gloves
7 lbs Trapping wire( 50% 12 ga and 50% 14 ga)
50 ft Trap Chain #2 and #3
24 Links
24 Swivels
AM Radio with 8 extra 9 volt batteries
8' New stove pipe for cabin stove
4 Leather awl needles and 50' waxed thread
Extra shoulder straps for pack frame
Extra hip belt for pack
New lid for fry pan 14"
100' - 3/8 nylon rope
12x18" glass to replace cracked window
Personal items
1 Wool Jacket
2 Wool pants
2 Work pants
1 Pair insulated Carhartt coveralls
4 Pair work gloves
2 Pair heavy winter over mittens.
Winter trappers hat
1 pair
Pack boots with 2 sets liners
1 pair Bunny Boots
1 Wool sweater
4 pair long sleeved wool shirts
3 pair Wool long john pants
3 pair Wool long john shirts
8 pair Wool socks
8 pair Cotton socks
6 pair Underpants
1 Bible
2 flying ground school books
6 Short sleeve Cotton shirts
Tooth brush
Tooth powder
2 rolls dental floss
Carried or in an external frame pack:
1 .308 rifle
1 22 pistol (Colt Woodsman)
Rain coat
Rain pants
Insolite sleeping pad
Sleeping bag
10x12' and 4x8' light nylon tarps
Flashlight
Flashlight batteries
Binoculars, 10x40
Green River skinning knife, caping knife, boning knife.
Small stone, small file and small diamond steel
Compass
Topo maps 1:250,000 scale
2 Candles
Matches in waterproof container
Lighter
Small cook pot with lid
Water bottle
100' Parachute cord
Small First aid kit with Large suture needles and suture, in sealed pack
Mini channel locks (Snap-on) used for sutures and other things
Pack repair kit
?-length Hand ax. (Estwing)
Small shovel
Bow saw with extra blade
1 pair wool socks
Wire snares
Fish hooks and line
25' .042" stainless wire
1 lb Dried soup mix
More cut and paste fun. And not even good cut and paste. I you hit a small animal with a .308 hollow point, there won't be enough left of it to eat even with a smaller grain round. And how do you plan to reload those shells without reloading equipment?
This is what happens when idiot leftists from the city are left to read the internet unsupervised.
John, the intent of that post isn't to provide honest debate or insight. Why are you responding to it?
You right. i shouldn't I just hate misstatements about weapons.
You right. i shouldn't I just hate misstatements about weapons.
assume it's a "leftist from the city".
Because, you know, there aren't ANY republicans in ANY city, and there aren't ANY liberals in the countryside.
And ONLY leftists don't know about weapons. Every conservative person in America is an expert at hunting. Every single one of them.
Fuck you're stupid. You have such a persecution complex from these nefarious, amorphous "leftists" you sound like a Nazi talking about Jewish conspiracies.
Nazis were leftists. Try again.
"I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative." ~Adolph Hitler, March 24, 1942
We hate property. But we love to shit on it. And we even rape men, which for those in the closet is liberating.
We are the 99%
Seriously, you went over that list with a fine-toothed comb, didn't you? More patience than I have!
"I you hit a small animal"
This is what happens when idiot rightists from the country are left to read the internet unsupervised.
Hobie caught a typo. It is cute when the retarded kids come out to play with the adults.
BEACH BLANKET BONG OUT!!!!
This what this vomit does with freedom.
Its not my fault. Fuck them.
This shipwreck of a thread is like "Titanic". Epically long, and epically awful.
...but you don't even get to see Kate Winslet topless.
I am not sure even that would have made the thread worth reading. And damn that is a bold statement.
nobody cares what a closeted homo with a persecution complex from "leftists" thinks.
I guess fingering you as closeted gay guy really struck a nerve. Truth hurts. There is really nothing wrong with being gay. I am not. But it is okay. Just stop hating yourself and get help.
As a friend, you are a disappointment but you finally get your wish; I'm writing about you on my blog-read it tomorrow
This shipwreck of a thread is like "Titanic". Epically long, and epically awful.
That's a song cue if ever I heard a song cue.
I fully expect disabled comments on Monday until a registration system is in place. Here's hoping they don't require a Facebook account.
free markets.
Officer, am I free to gambol?
Rogue River. Now.
LIVE YOUR BRAND!
Now. LIVE YOUR BRAND!
Quit paying taxes, using roads
Please, I'm begging you, stop beating me.
Y U NO GAMBOL FOR $5000?
Disable comments and lose all that page impression advertising money? I doubt it.
I blame Matt Welch and his "Welcome, MSNBC Viewers" initiative.
Those people are nothing but a bunch of heathen savages.
but I couldn't understand you. Can you please take that dick out of your mouth and say that again?
kthx!
They really are. It only takes one or two of them and this is what you get. Closeted guy gay guy and Rather can ruin and entire site. It was fun while it lasted. Maybe they will do registration. I am not sure they care though. I will be curious what they do about this.
I have no idea what blog software they're using, but last I checked in WordPress, enabling registration was simply a checkbox or two in the settings. Additionally, there are plenty of OpenID/Facebook/Twitter plugins you can use for authentication as well.
It's pretty trivial to implement, but unfortunately, it would have an impact on the conversation.
"Raaaaacist!!"
WHAT THE FUCK?!
I blame Matt Welch and his "Welcome, MSNBC Viewers" initiative.
Those people are nothing but a bunch of heathen savages.
Well to be fair, so are we. But the difference between them and us is that we actually have respect for other people and their propertah.
Facebook integration would be a non-starter for me. I'm thinking about ditching FB as it is.
It could be a voluntary registration with the option of still posting unregistered. That wouldn't get rid of the spam, but it would at least allow regulars to protect their handles from hijacking. And an option to filter our unregistered comments if you don't want to see them wouldn't be that rough to implement either.
Or leaving things the way they are but blocking any comments longer than a set number of lines (or characters).
They used to have it set up so that you couldn't post more than once a minute.
And, we could impose a series of regulations that would favor one set of commenters over another, thus having the regulators in a position to pick winners and losers.
You will not shape the market of idea with your rules. Laissez-faire commenting forever! Threaded commenting forever!
Controlling what people do with your own property is perfectly laissez-faire.
Free-for-all commenting that fouls its own nest. It's the perfect libertarian storm.
We love to foul our own nest. Let me come shit on your front stoop.
I'm sure they are very well funded.
Probably ACORN, Soros, etc
What this place needs is a CENSOR.
*hides in shrubbery, waits for Pro Libertate*
Guess I'm late to the party, but I had to comment.
[which was launched by Rick Santelli's indignant rant about subsidizing "losers'" mortgages]
As a responsible renter who couldn't afford a house due to bullshit government policies and idiot buyers who kept pushing up prices, I found Santelli's rant spot on.
Shitheads like Will Wilkinson who likely voted for TARP-loving Obama along with many reason writers should apologize. We currently have 60 Senators voting to subsidize $700,000 mortgages. Fuck that shit, fuck those "losers", and fuck people like Will Wilkinson for attacking the few people willing to take on that bullshit.
I say occupy Wilkinson's house and see how he likes it.
Whaaaaaat? Registration?!
Now that doesn't seem like absolute open borders, now does it?
Wow. Nearly 2000 comments. It's good to be able to gambol about the digital plains. Thanks, Officer.
Wow. Nearly 2000 comments.
Suck on it.
Most of those are from at least a year after the original post. That doesn't count.
+1
No, the problem with facebook is that I don't necessarily want all of my family members on FB to see some of the off-color jokes I post here, and I am not going to spend time classifying every fucking post as to which group of friends can see it or not. Plus, it opens up more of my real persona to creepers in the general online population. Ask some of the other regulars about being stalked for some of their H&R comments. Also, the pseudo-anonymity of the forum here allows us to speak more freely among ourselves than if each of our comments were easily forwarded to our co-workers or family members.
Don't some sites use Facebook registration but still allow you to post under an alias after you log in?
RACIST!
Plus, I refuse to get a facebook account because it's a giant pain in the ass to manage.
Sites that use your Facebook account for login generally just do it for registration. You can do the same thing with Google, Yahoo!, Twitter and a bunch of other OpenID/OAuth providers, even your own servers. It amounts to outsourcing the security aspect of account management. That means sites no longer need to secure passwords against hackers, don't need to set up password change/retrieval functionality, etc.
A good example would be Stack Overflow's login.
And it's really, really easy to do.
...if a single industrialist hero owned the whole planet, and everybody else had to pay rent to him to live?
What would happen if every time you took a shit it came out through your mouth?
Actually that's not really a hypothetical.
...Tulpa.
Libertarian tyranny is in the house:
Hans-Hermann Hoppe - Monarchy is preferable to Democracy
Hans-Hermann Hoppe (born September 2, 1949) is an Austrian School economist
...is in the house!
The Libertarian fetish for the insanely absurd knows no limit.
A Libertarian Case for Monarchy
Mises Daily: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 by Leland B. Yeager
http://mises.org/daily/5415
We hate monarchy. But we love rapes and chaos. We are the 99%!!
Maybe it's all just an experiment by the Reason Foundation to see if the smartest libertarians in the world (us!) can come up with a solution to the Tragedy of the Commons.
The solution has already been found: private property.
Just because this thread is information rich in ideas you don't want other people to know, (because they refute your religio-economic catechism) doesn't mean it's not a victory.
Stop talking to them.
...is to stop parroting really stupid religio-economic dogma that can be easily refuted.
Carry on.
(Put on your thinking cap first.)
"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." ~Thomas Jefferson
The only way to stop white Indian is to give him the ass rape he so desperately needs and wants. White Indian will go away once that homeless man sleeping next to him shoves a two by four up his ass.
He is the 99%!!
The Victory of the Commons
Nobel Prize-winning economist Elinor Ostrom proved that people can?and do?work together to manage commonly-held resources without degrading them.
http://www.yesmagazine.org/new.....he-commons
Can a "hit man" join this conversation?
...anything that profits them, hitman.
Tulpa, I agree on the private property solution. It works best when the property owner picks up the trash once in a while. Otherwise his tenants tend to get sick of it and leave.
Yes, yes, I know, none of us are paying to take part in this forum. However, the only reason the Reason Foundation is paying for this forum is to help (ostensibly) to further goals of the Foundation, which I guess don't include creating a forum for folks to shit all over libertarian principles. Granted, not a single thing any of these assholes has written has come close to refuting a libertarian principle, but they are shitting on the walls nonetheless.
Actually, I take that second part back. I do pay for it through my donations to the Reason Foundation. At least I have in the past.
To hell with all this free.
I think they should be OK with people honestly shitting on libertarianism.
But as you say, that's not what the current shithaul is doing.
That is honest.
That is empirical data.
That one simple fact is what is causing so much cognitive dissonance around here, because of your contradiction you hang onto:
? The agricultural city-STATE (civilization) is EVIL.?
? The AGRICULTURAL CITY-state (CIVILIZATION) is GOOD.
Their magic tool is the blank-out. ~Ayn Rand
MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN, city statists.
Oh, but the city-State is our BLESSED SAVIOR!
We're sinful creatures that need the Lord City-STATE to save us, because our species was the single species on the planet to evolve into a brutish and nasty life in caves eating stones.
rsi, I'm not talking to them. I guess maybe I should stop talking about them too?
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.
As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
And this is the world we create after we shit on it
The cheap walkie-talkie crackles inside a crowded downtown McDonald's, stopping the gathered mass mid-sip from their Kombucha bottles and cups of corporate coffee.
"There's a situation," a vagabond gumshoe dubbed "Conscience" tells me after the static-filled communique arrives over the air at around 3 a.m.
Cornered on the other side of the fast-food joint is Fisika Bezabeh, 27, a Zuccotti squatter who inexplicably returned to the eatery after allegedly clobbering a manager with a credit-card reader earlier in the night.
"We can't take him in by ourselves," yells another OWS security-force member.
The Zuccotti "cops" had just spent an hour and a half tracking Bezabeh through goat paths in the park armed with a description from the manager.
"We cannot take him in by ourselves, the cops have to come!" reiterates the OWS security force member.
They call the NYPD -- and it becomes abundantly clear that the cops down there are sick of the antics.
"Every single night it's the same thing. I mean, some guy was a victim of rape!" an officer snarls. "There comes a time when it's over. This is a disaster. It's all we're doing, every two seconds, is locking somebody up every time. It's done.
"It's done," he repeats. "Occupy Wall Street is no longer a protest."
Scenes like this -- and far worse -- have been playing out since the Zuccotti Park "occupation" began on Sept. 17.
The parcel is now a sliver of madness, rife with sex attacks, robberies and vigilante justice.
It's a leaderless bazaar that's been divided into state-like camps -- with tents packed together so densely that the only way to add more would be to stack them.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/l.....z1cyjBHHdj
It is our own little level of Dante's hell. Won't you come join us in our ignorance, insanity and squalor?
...advertised, we wouldn't be in hell.
If agricultural city-Statism (civilization) worked as advertised, we wouldn't be in hell.
But they don't, and here we are. I expect it to get worse. Lots worse.
Come. Everyone gets raped and victimized. It is paradise.
We are the 99%. Come take a shit on this girl's face with me. Be the 99%
It should be noted that what is crucial to your survival as a race is not the redistribution of power and wealth within the prison but rather the destruction of the prison itself.
A Condensation of Daniel Quinn Thought
Part 1: The Problem is Civilization
Prison
http://www.lejournalmural.be/english-.....lla-1.html
Yes, destroy the prisons. Let us burn kill and rape. That is what we want. We are the 99%.
"but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth;"
Bull
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shit.
...clinic is in Room 12A.
Just ask him. And I am sure he will stick that two by four up your ass.
You are the 99%
We, the 99%|11.6.11 @ 7:55PM|#
"As we gather together in solidarity..."
You're also a liar.
Only 30% express approval for your sorry butts, while less than 1/100% have any active involvement.
http://hotair.com/archives/201.....ment-3039/
You're just one more juvenile hope of something for nothing.
Go away.
99% don't. Got it, comrade sevo?
In Philly, the "occupiers" occupied the Comcast building. I guess they didn't realize that Comcast pays Rachel Maddow's salary now.
...if three industrialist heroes ended up owning the whole planet, and everybody else had to pay rent to them to live?
Could we rape them?
We are the 99%
How could three industrialists own the entire planet without either seizing property via eminent domain (which libertarians oppose) or without offering everyone the price they demand for their land (which works out pretty good for everyone)? And for us geolibertarians, then paying the taxes on the land value every year if they expect government protection for it.
If three industrialists could control all the resources without going bankrupt, then the USSR would have been a wonderful success because the Socialist Calculation Problem would be a non issue.
The fact is that there is an upper limit to the size of a firm or organization before it is unable to allocate resources efficiently and thus is less able to cooperate with potential customers than a smaller firm.
The scenario being asked is about as possible as all the oxygen in a room deciding to migrate simultaneously to one corner near the ceiling, causing people in the room to asphyxiate.
At this point I'm just hoping I get to be the 2kth poster.
@Poet Laureate sloopyinca|11.6.11 @ 2:58PM|#
#3 is bucktooth hill country. Don't know where you are getting the hot from on that one. Agree with the other calls, though.
We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
Dude- I think the cops are towing your spaceship away. Did you forget to feed the meter?
We have special space ships for the transgendered and women who don't want to be raped.
New thread is up and comments are open. No time travel required.
You are all Sick Boys!
Let's do some Adicts.
My favorite Dead Kennedys.
Awesome.
Let's go, Banjos! We can hit 2000!
Beautiful.
NO SURRENDER !
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Fuck you squirrels, Chili Peppers are not spam!
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
WTF, am I being blocked from linking to Youtube vids?
Let me try again.
So as it turns out, the squirrels hate the Chili Peppers, good to know.
That Boy Needs Therapy
Anarchy Burger!!!
Fuck Zeppelin!
I hate everything.
Great cover.
Monosyllabic girl
That's just cheating db.
Dig that groovus 😉
Baby's got a fuzz box I think that she should use it now
Mr. Clean.
Banjos, I meanthave to psost this:
Our loving Watchmaker loves us all to death"
Also, this is seriously painful to post...because 8I live in the woods where I cant get cable but have cell phone service, all my internet connection is over cell phone links. And Sprint's network has been shit since they got the iPhone.
Let's do another Millencolin
Now get along little doggie get on
No one else is gonna sing your song
You can fuck recovery cause you're already gone
Damn, you are a trooper, db. 2000 or bust!!!
Fuck Armageddon, This is Hell!
how did captain america work out?
God damn this is hard.
All the same, we take our chances, laughed at by time, tricked by circumstances!
Why not.
Just like in that bar bathroom, Big Ben didn't quite slip it in there.
wtf, my opponent has Mendenhall too. I can't flerking win, can I?
wtf, my opponent has Mendenhall too. I can't flerking win, can I?
What the god damned fuck is wrong with this comment thread? Are you people all fucking insane? Christ, for a site called "Reason" you guys are sure as hell fucked up beyond reason. The only thing missing from this thread is rat fuckers and sheep fuckers. Who here has fucked a sheep? I bet all you cocksuckers fucked a sheep or two. Probably while you were high on bath salts or something. You fuckers are all batshit insane and I will have no parts of it. This shoit ain't even funny.
Fuck me.
I know I've got to drink, but all I have is Dimetapp DM. Oh what the hell, bottoms up.
A quiet, peaceful drift towards the night
I should have just sang this to my boyfriend last night.
For how long has Ray Lewis been a Juggalo?
More Betty Blowtorch.
There appears to be some contrast between our last two posts.
I know I've got to drink, but all I have is Dimetapp DM. Oh what the hell, bottoms up.
TULPY POO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Time for another IPA, apparently.
Which IPA will you have next?
I just had some SeaDog raspberry, it was quite good.
Dig that groovus 😉
With an excellent song choice to boot!
Banjos kick ass!
I'll throw some Agent Orange into the mix.
Hey im raju (name changed). I'm a regular reader of kerelaerotica. This has given me inspiration to narrate my own experience. Now her name is Karpagalakshmi. She is my biology teacher for 5 yrs, so it was quite easy to make friends. She's got firm but giant melons, an ass that sticks out firmly, jet black hair that reaches well beyond her hips, 5 ft 2", in her mid 30's.
Now it all began when I failed in her subject. So she made my come to tuition at her house. Now when I first went to her house she opened the door I forgot to breathe. She had her hair lose and she wore a night gown that showed her big cleavage. I then realized she was braless. I could feel my virgin dick standing but I controlled my feelings. When I stepped in I brushed past her and got a view of her nipples. A spot of dark brown in a sea of milky brown skin. I asked her where to seat myself, she told me to sit at the dining table. I did so and she brought a chair a sat next to me. I could easily see into her gown.
She then began to explain how the sperms made a woman pregnant. I then found my chance and asked her whether direct sex gave a higher percentage or casual sex. She looked at me cautiously and said direct sex was more painful but more successive than casual. I then pretended not to understand then she looked even cautious and said that the penis entered the vagina and deposited the sperms. I still acted like I couldn't understand and asked for a practical. She asked what I was thinking. I meekly said "you".
She then lay down and started playing with my dick and pulled back the fore skin. She then engulfed my 8" long 1 ?" thick dick until she began to choke and started sucking it until I came in her mouth she cleaned it al and asked me to fuck her. I first aligned my dick at her pussy lips and slowly pushed it in. I realized it was a virgin pussy and she begged me to do it slowly. But I didn't listen and stabbed down and my whole dick entered her she started screaming in pain and pleasure. I then slowly moved up and down increasing in frequencyuntil I was going to cum but I held back and kept fucking her until her back arched and she screamed digging her claws into my back. Correctly then I came into her completely.
We then lay like that for some time then she asked if I knew anything else I told her about the 69 which she steadily agreed. after drinking each other juices I told her about the anal fuck. She asked if it would pain . I said al fruits of life are received with pain. I then enter her ass and came in her. Later when I was leaving she told me that she wanted to bear my son. So we did this for many months even after she got married. That was when she got her baby she named him raju after me.
lol
I then enter her ass and came in her.
Immediately?
Banjos is your blood Type O Negative?
There appears to be some contrast between our last two posts.
He has been kind of a dick lately, love the bastard, but god damn he is more moody than most women.
Is this some obscure song reference?
...as an aside I figured this thread was a free for all so I'd randomly engage the discussion.
You know what I like? Victory HopDevil.
Creatures.
One of my guilty pleasures.
We all need some Jesus and Tequila.
He has been kind of a dick lately, love the bastard, but god damn he is more moody than most women.
I hate to tell you this, Banjos, but he's pregnant. It's why he wanted to watch Captain America instead of Banjo-ing your Kazooey.
Cigar?
Yes I've heard Captain America is a common pregnancy craving.
In b4 2k !
Time for another IPA, apparently.
From one most-interesting-man-in-the-world to another, db, "Stay thirsty my friend."
Opera may be the worst Argento movie. I fell asleep about the halfway point. I like the Euro-crows and the taped eye needles but it still really sucks.
a little CH3COCH3
I love the Mighty Mighty Bosstones, guilty pleasure my ass. Nothing to feel guilty about.
Fiona Apple is one of my favorite musicians, and I am not sorry.
Opera may be the worst Argento movie. I fell asleep about the halfway point. I like the Euro-crows and the taped eye needles but it still really sucks.
SIV, I said it was passable and one of Argento's lesser works. I never said it was great.
Error?
Dr. Groovus has the prescription for broken bones.
hate to tell you this, Banjos, but he's pregnant. It's why he wanted to watch Captain America instead of Banjo-ing your Kazooey.
FUUUUUUCK!!!!!!
I am NOT buying an SUV. And it will have to share a room with my instruments, I am not getting rid of my music room.
You could get him to flush it out?
Yes I've heard Captain America is a common pregnancy craving.
Just wait until the third trimester, It'll be Ang Lee's The Hulk and The Phantom 24/7.
Mixed with Rebecca Black.
Now I am on a Fiona Apple kick.
I can play half this song.
I make my own, metazoan. This one in particular is loaded with Chinook hops. For commercial ones I am partial to Green Flash West Coast IPA and Sierra Nevada Torpedo.
Oh, nice. I've been wanting to try that, perhaps some day I'll get around to it......
FUUUUUUCK!!!!!!
I am NOT buying an SUV.
Of course not. I see a minivan in your future.
**ducks**
Clawhammer, the way a banjo was intended to be played.
OMG 1980 comments!
I want me one of these.
I'm also a huge fan of HopDevil and Hop Wallop, Metazoan.
1982, good vintage.
She's as Beautiful as a Foot
Is is 2000 yet? This is getting to be exhausting.
Well we're trying. It's funny, since this thread has become the internet equivalent of a nuclear wasteland, the trolls have left. I think we won!! WE WON!!!!!
Behold, The Art of Noise.
Homebrewing is a very rewarding hobby when done right.
I could imagine. Not sure how much it'll cost/if I'll be able to do it in grad school, though :/
am I the 99%?
Through The Roof 'n' Underground
What White Indian is reading
1999!
Immigrant Punk
It's gonna be OVER TWO THOUSAAAAAND!
Now I am just being lazy.
If I obsess over the "answer to the ultimate question" from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker series... does that make me a 42 percenter?
Okay, that was a stretch.
Can we keep this thread for random discussions? I mean, it's broken anyway.
2000!
For old acquaintance we forgot and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!
For old acquaintance we have not and the song of old blah, blah!
Zydeco, baby!
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!
did you finally finish captain america 😉
Not gonna hit 2k?
Can we keep this thread for random discussions? I mean, it's broken anyway.
I think 2000+ comments qualifies for Squatter's Rights. It's what they did with SANTORUM and Salty Ham Tears.
(heh heh. Santorum.)
That's what I was thinking. This should be a reason open space for musings, music, beer, etc.
Everyone Now!!!
...just talk to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GAMBOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"They love to humiliate us," Clara's voice echoed in warning. "I think they like that, more than the other things." Clara had spent eight years as a captive to an Indian.
Rebecca lifted her tearing eyes and she studied Tocho. She remembered Clara's gasp of recognition, and she realized that he must have been her captor. Tocho felt her looking at him, and he stared directly at her with absolutely no expression or emotion. Rebecca quickly dropped her eyes, thinking about the painful punishment Clara had endured. You're wrong, Clara. They like the 'other' things, too.
Rebecca sat in silence, her breasts bared to the savages and her large brown nipples tightening in the cool air. The Indians gnawed off bites of jerky and drank something from a leather flask. They were still talking about her, and several times they looked over. Many of the times the glances were accompanied by laughter, and her face flushed deeper in shame.
Tokala stood up and walked over to her again. Rebecca panicked and kicked him once, and then she tried to push back against the tree. "Ganali, let me see what it is I now own." His eyes narrowed, and she began screaming behind the gag. Tokala grabbed the material at her waist, and he pulled.
The thin material ripped easily, and Rebecca realized that although he was not as big as the others he was still very strong. She kept kicking and screaming, batting and clawing with her hands, while he pulled the dress from her. The Indian kept smiling his cruel leer and clucking excitedly until she was naked.
Rebecca tried to curl her big thighs up to cover her pussy. There were six men staring at her. Some were laughing, and some looked as though they were getting aroused. Oh god. It's a dream. It's all some crazy nightmare. None of this is real. No matter how she tried, her fear would not allow her to claim the shocked numbness she was begging for.
"Ganali, up," Tokala demanded, and began pulling on the leash.
Rebecca shook her head wildly, knocking off her cotton cap. Her hair was a mass of short, bleached, blonde curls. A heroine in one of her novels wore sassy blonde curls, and Rebecca decided it would suit her. Tokala pushed his fingers through the strands and pulled. There was a look of disgust on his face. "Why did you shave your head?"
Was it not bad enough that the shaman had announced he had pulled the bit of ox tail with the tooth of the fox? Tokala was proud to be a rare warrior with a white woman of his own, even if she was an ox... but her shaven hair was an embarrassment. He took this as another insult to a warrior, as if she had planned it.
Rebecca shook her head, terrified of the Indian and trying to push him away, while he gripped her hair and forced to stand. He dragged her to the fire, with her feet giving way and her knees buckling. Tokala stood straight, keeping his fingers threaded through her short hair. "You see my ox?" he bragged. "This is Ganali."
Tocho studied her for a moment. Like most his friends, Tocho did not understand why the shaman cast the fox tooth when so many warriors did not have a captive. He did not question the shaman's reading, though the spirits had once more proven their signs were mysterious. He threw a small twig on the fire, and said, "You have a bald white ox, Tokala. She is a big beast for a fox." The other Indians laughed.
Tokala's eyes narrowed. How dare they make fun of me? Tocho is the only one of them to be honored with a white woman of his own. He bowed out his chest. "She is mine."
"Easy, Tokala, we know Ganali belongs to you," Tocho placated. He knew he had stepped over the line by suggesting the man could not handle her. Tokala was very strong and fast... for his size.
Tokala reached between Rebecca's legs. Even with her thighs pressed together there was a generous mat of dark brown curls for him to grab. "Besides, she is not bald," he laughed. He used her pussy hair as a handle, and she felt him deliberately rip out a few hairs. She shrieked while he pulled her towards a large bough stretched off the ground and lashed to boulders on the ends. "Come see my ox hole," he taunted to his friends.
Here one cool fall friday, trolls attempted an invasion of reason comment threads. The commenters valiantly fought back, and, at 12:32 AM EST on November 7, 2011, declared ultimate victory. May the sacrifices and valor of the commentariat never be forgotten.
Well, shit. I go get married and this is what happens to the comments board.
Did you get the fart in a jar kit I sent?
Goodnight dear commentariat. Another day, another battle won.
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I think this appropriate for the dawn of a new era!
Thanks Banjos and db for your tenacity!
You say you are libertarians, but you hate the freedom of words used freely. You faux libertarians behave as if words will harm you, and cower like the poseurs you are. Didn't your mothers tell you sticks and stones may break bones, but words can't harm you? Here, I'll just show you the how stupidly superstitious you all are:
Biggie Smalls! Biggie Smalls! Biggie Smalls!
[blood curling scream, end of transcript]
Yep, folks, basement boy is that desperate for attention. Funny.
While he is in the basement, he should check the status of his farts in jars.
What'd ya'll do this weekend?
...to protect your "property," it may have a legitimacy problem.
Humans have a right to life.
Humans need property to survive.
The only legitimate property is that which is necessary to survive.
Rothbard and Rand told me so.
Worst. 2000+ thread. Ever.