Did 'Every Conspiracy Theory' About Twitter Turn Out To Be True?
The internal company documents offer a behind-the-scenes glimpse at how the federal agencies distorted the public debate on one of the world's largest social media platforms.
HD DownloadThe so-called Twitter Files, written by a group of independent journalists given access to internal company documents, offer a behind-the-scenes glimpse at how the federal government shaped the flow of information on one of the world's largest social media platforms.
Some tech pundits say that the Twitter Files contain no secrets: they knew about the thousands of takedown requests the company receives every month from law enforcement agencies and the courts, or they had already opined about the immense challenges of content moderation. However, the Twitter Files have brought important new information to light. They show that the company stifled debate over important policy issues by shadowbanning certain accounts for no good reason and then misleading the public. They show that Twitter was routinely strongarmed by the White House and the FBI into complying with frivolous takedown requests. And they provide evidence that the intelligence community likely influenced the decision to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story during Joe Biden's 2020 presidential campaign.
"Almost every conspiracy theory that people had about Twitter turned out to be true," Elon Musk said on the All-In podcast in late December. "Is there a conspiracy theory about Twitter that didn't turn out to be true?"
Conspiracy theorists are often sloppy with the facts and exaggerate what actually happened. But the information brought to light by the Twitter Files should be alarming to anyone who cares about free speech and a free society. Is the government meddling similarly with YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Google search? How can we prevent the internet from becoming a centralized apparatus through which state actors shape and censor public debate? Here are three major takeaways from the Twitter Files:
1. Twitter distorted the conversation and misled the public.
Twitter had a system of "whitelists" that allowed its algorithms and human moderators to turn engagement dials up and down based on what a user said. It used this power to limit the ability of certain groups and individuals to reach an audience, including conservative commentator Dan Bongino, Stanford economist and medical school professor Jay Bhattacharya, mRNA vaccine critic Alex Berenson, and the Libs of TikTok account.
The company regularly tap-danced around the meaning of "shadowbanning" to maintain plausible deniability. In a 2018 blog post, Twitter's Trust and Safety team wrote, "We do not shadow ban. You are always able to see the tweets from accounts you follow (although you may have to do more work to find them, like go directly to their profile)."
Needless to say, making Tweets so hard to find that digging through someone's profile is the only way to unearth them is what's commonly known as "shadow banning," or, as Twitter employees termed it with an Orwellian flair, "visibility filtering."
The Twitter Files show that company staff became increasingly comfortable using these tools to manage the flow of information and political discourse around the 2020 election, regularly deploying filters to limit the visibility of Trump's tweets and many others pertaining to election results in the weeks preceding the January 6 riot and the decision to evict the president from the platform.
Of course, Twitter is a private company, and it has every right to label the tweets of Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kuldorff as "misleading" when he tweets statements such as, "Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should."
But Twitter is still worthy of our condemnation. Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya was shadowbanned despite being a respected epidemiologist from a prestigious university, and many of his warnings during the pandemic turned out to be correct.
And you can acknowledge serious problems with the work of former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson—who, for instance, badly misinterpreted data to infer a spike in "vaccine-caused mortality"—while still believing it's preferable to have a public airing of controversial and deeply flawed arguments.
A better way to deal with speech you disagree with is to respond to it, as Derek Thompson attempted to do in The Atlantic when he called Berenson "The Pandemic's Wrongest Man." Ironically, Twitter raised Berenson's profile by allowing him to inhabit the role of the oppressed truth-seeker.
2. The government is secretly policing speech.
The most troubling thing about the Berenson de-platforming isn't Twitter's decision per se, but whether it made that decision freely. Was it done at the behest of the federal government? The Twitter files provide circumstantial evidence that the White House played a role.
"When the Biden admin took over, one of their first meeting requests with Twitter executives was on Covid," writes journalist David Zweig in the Twitter files. "The focus was on 'anti-vaxxer accounts.' Especially Alex Berenson."
Berenson was suspended hours after Biden said to a reporter that social media companies were "killing people" by failing to police pandemic-related misinformation.
Zweig also revealed that a series of meetings took place last December in which an "angry" Biden team excoriated Twitter executives because they were "not satisfied " with its "enforcement approach" and wanted "Twitter to do more and to de-platform several accounts."
In Twitter Files 6, Matt Taibbi described Twitter as an "FBI subsidiary."
Agents from a dedicated task force would regularly send lists of accounts—some with fewer than 1,000 followers—for Twitter to look at for terms-of-service violations, such as this left-leaning account jokingly telling Republicans to vote a day late.
Former Twitter's former head of Trust and Safety, Yoel Roth, was in weekly meetings with the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. In return for the company's work handling FBI requests, Twitter received $3.4 million between October 2019 and early 2021.
Complying with somewhere in the range of 8,000 requests would have required significant resources from Twitter, and there's no reason the government shouldn't have to pick up the tab. But should this arrangement exist in a free society, given the mission creep that the Twitter Files exposed?
Another alarming secret revealed by the Twitter Files: what led Twitter to block users from sharing a major New York Post story about the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop. The files reveal that Jim Baker, the former FBI lawyer then working at Twitter, leaned on Roth to treat the laptop as the likely result of a Russian hack-and-leak operation, despite little evidence for that claim. The FBI had told Roth to expect just such a foreign operation to drop in October and that Hunter Biden would be a likely target. A month before the laptop story broke, Roth even participated in a tabletop simulation at the Aspen Institute about handling a Hunter Biden data dump.
Publicly, 51 former intelligence officials, including James Clapper, Michael Hayden, and John Brennan, published a letter claiming that the laptop story "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." The twist? The New York Post story turned out to be completely true.
With all that pressure coming from supposedly reputable and knowledgeable sources, how independently was Twitter acting when it suppressed the story?
Giving the government unfettered access to exert pressure behind the scenes turned a forum for free discussion—with all the unavoidable messiness and misinformation that free speech entails—into something much worse: a state-approved narrative generator.
#3 Twitter permitted covert state propaganda on its platform.
The U.S. ran sock-puppet accounts on Twitter and then may have tried to shut them down secretly when it looked like it was caught in the act.
After Trump won the 2016 election, and Hillary Clinton blamed Russia for her loss, Congress began to focus intently on the role of foreign misinformation on the internet.
Twitter began transparently labeling accounts associated with any government, whether it be a politician or a state-run media outlet. It also pledged to Congress to "rapidly identify and shut down all state-backed covert information operations & deceptive propaganda."
But apparently, that didn't always extend to propaganda disseminated by the U.S. government.
As The Intercept's Lee Fang revealed, the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) asked Twitter to "whitelist" several Arabic-language accounts spreading messages in support of the U.S.-backed Yemen War so that they would get the same special treatment that verified accounts receive. Twitter complied.
One whitelisted account described "accurate" U.S. drone strikes that "only hit terrorists." At first, the accounts had an attached disclosure noting that they were linked to the U.S. government. But that disclosure was eventually dropped from many accounts, and at least one "whitelisted" government sockpuppet account used an A.I.-generated image as a profile picture.
An internal email thread shows that the Department of Defense wanted to meet with Twitter's legal team in a secure facility. One member of Twitter's team speculated that the agency wanted to classify its work with Twitter to "avoid embarrassment." Baker suspected that the fake accounts were set up using "poor tradecraft" and that they want to wind down the operation without revealing the accounts' "connection to the DoD."
So what should we demand of Congress in light of the Twitter Files revelations?
Lawmakers should rein in the FBI and other executive agencies with stricter reporting requirements and defund any federal task force whose mission includes fighting the slippery concept of "misinformation." And yet that will probably never happen—the new omnibus bill just increased the FBI's funding. Unfortunately, if a tool of centralized speech control can be abused by a government, it's a virtual certainty that it will be abused eventually.
We should follow the advice of Julian Assange and the cypherpunk movement that shaped his thinking, which maintains that technology, not government policy, is the only effective check on authoritarian tendencies in the long run.
"You cannot trust a government to implement the policies it says it's implementing," Assange said in a filmed discussion with his fellow cypherpunks in 2017. "We must provide the underlying tools, cryptographic tools that we control, as a sort of use of force."
The good news is that many people are gradually waking up to the dangers of allowing a company to maintain centralized control over public conversation. After Trump's de-platforming, many conservatives migrated to the encrypted network Telegram. Since Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter, many progressives have joined the decentralized platform Mastodon. Former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey has invested in Nostr, an open protocol that allows users to transmit a post over a decentralized network of relays using cryptographic keys. Dorsey and published an article calling for "a native internet protocol for social media," arguing that "Social media must be resilient to corporate and government control" and "moderation is best implemented by algorithmic choice."
And suppose Elon Musk wants to keep Twitter relevant and competitive in this continually fracturing landscape and live up to his promise of bringing more free speech to the platform. In that case, he will have to take these developments seriously and think about ways that Twitter 2.0 can avoid the fate of its predecessor by once again falling victim to state interference.
He should aim to design a platform that makes this kind of meddling impossible so that we don't have to trust any tech executive, including Elon Musk, not to censor speech on behalf of the government.
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Collectively, I’m referring to every lengthy scandal involving Twitter as Elongate.
The scandal is growing.
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Why did reason delete this post days after it was first posted?
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The scandal is growing among those who give a shit. The elephant in the room is that while it is perfectly reasonable to be upset at governmental interference in free speech, the goal of the FBI was to slow the spread of harmful disinformation on the platform, particularly where the pandemic and Presidential election were concerned. It wasn't attempting to stifle the spread of opinion or political speech. It was trying to prevent pandemonium through disinformation. People treat this as though when two equally plausible explanations were offered Twitter defaulted to taking the side of the government. But that is not what happened. People like Trump had been using Twitter to make patently false claims. And not occasionally. Every day. If there was actual evidence that the election had been stolen, or if the Hunter Biden story didn't look (to anyone who was actually paying attention) like an October Surprise of Disinformation, nothing ever has. I get that they fucked up. But two weeks before a Presidential election a story like that looked sketchy as hell. The incumbent had been trying to prepare his cult members for the coming day when he would claim the election had been stolen. Trump had already been impeached for trying to plant bullshit stories about Biden in Ukraine. It sure looked like disinformation, and to let that spread immediately before an election would have been every bit as bad as Comey announcing the reopening of the Hillary investigation in 2016, much to Trump's benefit. Had Comey not made that statement, or if people had been unaware of it there would have been a very good chance that she would have won. The FBI knew that. They didn't want to fuck up in exactly the same way two elections in a row.
The simple truth is that Twitter and all Social Media allow for the rapid spread of bullshit. It benefits no one with good intentions. It can sink careers and skew elections. Human beings will never be perfect, despite noble intentions. If there weren't people like Trump leveraging the ability to spread bullshit far, wide, and fast there wouldn't be the need to police social media the way it is. Republicans should quit bitching about having a tough time getting real information out when they have polluted social media to the point that government and business need to get together to fight it.
You do understand that most ‘bullshit’ comes from the left don’t you? Especially at the presidential level. When you consider the honesty rate of Trump compared to Obama or Biden.
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I love how "Freethinksman" suggests that government bureaucrats are to be trusted to be arbiters of the truth. Bureaucracies are overwhelmingly occupied by the left. Leftism cannot, by its very nature, work because it flies in the face of HUMAN nature. So they have to lie. Look at his comment about Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine is "bullshit." Biden admitted to holding up funds in the video below. But Freethinksman is willing to accept Biden's claim that he only held up the funds because the prosecutor was corrupt as gospel. How did Biden make hundreds of millions of dollars? Did he start a company that none of us know about? Is he a Hollywood actor on the level of a Johnny Depp or Jennifer Aniston? The answer is NO to both of those questions. He made that money selling influence. The Ukrainian prosecutor was looking into Burisma Holdings a company that allowed the woefully unqualified Hunter to be on its board of directors. Nobody is debating that. They're just trying to suppress it by either saying it's bullshit like Freethinksman, or they're just ignoring it like the media. It doesn't change the fact that it happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jyT1rnW9fA
There are two problems with your theory to justify Government "protecting" the truth.
First, as you minimized and justified by claiming "Government was only trying to do the right thing" -- even if we give Government the full benefit of the doubt, their efforts resulted in the suppression of the truth.
Second, in order for us to trust the Government to "protect" the truth, we would need to accept them as arbiters of the truth -- but, considering that Government has been full-on creators and spreaders of misinformation, this alone is very, very foolhardy.
"The scandal is growing among those who give a shit. .."
Followed by:
"...The elephant in the room is that while it is perfectly reasonable to be upset at governmental interference in free speech, the goal of the FBI was to slow the spread of harmful disinformation on the platform,..."
So FREETHINKSMAN does give a shit and is willing to lie about it.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lying piece of lefty shit.
"the goal of the FBI was to slow the spread of harmful disinformation on the platform, particularly where the pandemic and Presidential election were concerned. It wasn’t attempting to stifle the spread of opinion or political speech."
That is self-contradictory. You are a true blue fool.
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#3 Twitter permitted covert state propaganda on its platform."
Remember that Sqrlsy has been arguing today that this was all okay because somewhere on the internet you could probably post stuff.
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But SQRLSY's endorsement of that notion is like finding a KKK member to take your "side" on a debate about freedom of association. He comes off as a lunatic who cannot admit that the government was involved in heinous, unconstitutional actions, and that Twitter executives were complicit and unethical. He is so wrapped up in his hatred of conservatives that he cannot concede these points. That leads people to conclude that his support of free speech is merely a facade to justify his condemnation of people he hates.
So if, tomorrow, Parler has a change in management, and it is revealed than past Parler pro-conservative "censorshit" was done at the urging of Josh Hawley... I am QUITE sure that conservatives will all be OUTRAGED! Every bit ass much ass they are right now, for sure! Because there in NO tribalism around HERE!
Techdirt, Parler censors liberals, https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/ ... Butt I suspect that maybe what is good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, somehow!
I have no idea, but I have to wonder, are they banning people because they are left of center, or because they are obviously there just to give people grief and make it a less pleasant experience for the people who actually want to use it to communicate?
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My only criticism of social media algorithms is that it leads to bubbles. But that’s me, everyone else LIKES the bubbles. The complaints aren’t about bubbles, but that other bubbles exist. People don’t like that there isn’t a person in charge they can write to demanding their views be given priority. Conservatives are mad that progressives aren’t seeing their posts, and progressives are mad that conservatives aren’t being fed their lies.
Or you have conservatives angry that some progressive posts are making it through their bubble, but the algorithm sees that these folk like arguing back against the progressives. Or you have progressives angry that some conservative posts are making it through their bubble, but the algorithm sees that these folk like arguing back against the conservatives. But they are getting what they want. Stop responding to posts you don’t like. Stop forwarding their crap along. All that does is tell the algorithm that you like that stuff.
Revealed preferences. Angry people want stuff to be angry about, and the algorithm will accommodate them. They want to be validated that progressives are destroying the country, so they get fed validation. Ditto for those certain that conservatives are promoted fake news, they get fed the fake news that validates them.
The problem isn’t that there are algorithms designed to deliver personalized content, the problem is that people just haven’t learned to live with impartially personalized content. They spent their lives with curated content from people in news departments, or political leaders telling them how to think, or some other human being with a bias curating biased content just for them.
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They also installed their puppet as president.
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At this point, a conspiracy theory seems to be a six-month spoiler alert.
To think Reason largely defended these actions for 6 years. You think a "we were wrong" article would help them restore some credibility instead of just ignoring that part of the story.
They are still unbelievably weak on this.
Everything couched in weasel words and said obliquely.
"The fbi may have influenced the decision to suppress the Hunter Biden Laptop story"
That is pathetic.
Not "may have".
That ship has sailed.
Not "influenced". That is clear. They were spying on the journalists doing the story and they pre-discredited it before getting it blocked.
Not "laptop story".
The story is of the now-President of the United States taking bribes and using US government foreign policy in service of those cash payments.
And every single step of it is absolutely proven.
Well, except we don't have dad saying "the reason I did the thing in Ukraine that I had no other reason to do is because of the money I was getting paid from those people I lied about, saying that I didn't know anything about my son having a job in Ukraine".
Other than that... every step is prove-in-court level of proven.
"May have"
Please.
Except none of that is true.
Rudy Guliani is not a journalist.
There is zero evidence of Joe Biden taking bribes.
And it was common sense, not the FBI, that resulted in no one wanting to touch that 'story' - simply because of the preposterous nature of trusting Rudy Giuliani & the Trump people after the Ukraine/Biden frame-up scandal.
Except that all of it is true, steaming pile of lefty shit.
You may have missed the smoking gun just found in Delaware:
The Department of Justice is probing how “a small number” of classified documents from President Biden’s years as vice president ended up at the Washington, DC, think tank that bears his name, the White House confirmed Monday. A second batch of papers was found at an additional location, it was reported Wednesday.
The University of Pennsylvania received more than $30 million from Chinese donors shortly after the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, which functioned as an office for Joe Biden before he was elected president, was announced in 2017, according to public records.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/penn-biden-center-is-dark-money-nightmare-patronage-mill/
Time moves fast these days. That time has now been shortened to 3 months.
Better question: Why did Reason agree with the rest of the corporate press and dismiss it as conspiracy?
Because most conspiracy theories are bullshit. That makes dismissal is the best approach.
One thing no one gives Reason credit for is changing their tune when conspiracies are confirmed by facts. And I think that's a good thing. Better to defer to proof than to bullshit.
"Because most conspiracy theories are bullshit."
The above article puts paid to that nonsense.
That makes dismissal is the best approach.
No. Actually examining the case would be the best approach. No one could be asred to do that, because the censorship largely lined up with their social preferences. It's yet another case of "I wear it (mask) because I don't want to be mistaken for a Republican."
One thing no one gives Reason credit for is changing their tune when conspiracies are confirmed by facts.
They don't deserve credit. Ever.
Like reason, sarc will deny he was ever wrong on the issue and continue calling those who were right, trolls.
People who evolve with the available facts are much better company than those who make up their minds and don't budge.
Irrelevant.
But even if it wasn't, all that says is that principles can be set aside for appearances.
Exactly what I said they would do.
What if one of the principles is to not make accusations without facts?
Actually examining the case would be the best approach.
Investigations != accusations.
What's your next excuse?
The facts were always present. You just blindly accepted the narrative. Every person censored was a fact. Most here outside the leftists understood those facts.
Are you incapable of admitting you were wrong? So much so you continue to believe and defend your prior false narratives as being better?
I honestly believe that Sarc is happy that Biden is destroying the country. Just to spite Trump and people who voted for him. Hell, I think he would rather have WW3 than peace under Trump. He’s that sick, drunk, and broken.
This kind of malignancy is why I truly hate him and the other leftist pieces of shit here.
What about the people who were right about the facts the entire time and not in denial? Those you called right wing and Trump cultists.
Retarded leftist shit.
Fauci is taking the same tactic you are.
Most of the facts you pretend “evolved” were available day 1 you leftist shills just found the truth inconvinient or the lie politically advantageous.
Maybe if you Trumpian shills would stop jerking off on the toilet you might see that people really did change their minds when Musk released some actual facts.
The facts were always presented. You wanted the leftist narrative to be true instead.
Youre just mad you can't continue to hide under false claims.
"Maybe if you Trumpian shills would stop jerking off on the toilet"
Ideas!
Dude, the facts were so well known that when the Twitter files began to be released, the first claim that you on the left made was, "meh, nothing new."
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The problem with this is that those like you who have Trump Derangement Syndrome insist that we needed the censorship because we can't believe in conspiracy theories -- because, after all, President Trump might get re-elected, and we can't have that! -- but now that the censorship has been exposed, and conspiracies have been proven, you want to say "well, yeah, we can change our mind now, now that Trump can't get elected, and you Trumpists are jerking off because we can now change our minds, now that this has been exposed for being true all along -- we should all just move along, it's just water under the bridge, let bygones be bygones".
You want us to forget all the distortions you put us through, all in the name of "but now that it's exposed, I changed my mind!"
More like, the cool kids would have laughed at Reason journalists, so they had to wait to post these until it was socially acceptable.
journalism requires investigation.
But real journalism is hard, like adulting. Better to stick to journalisming.
Yep, like good police work, investigation requires real effort, thought, and follow through. Because it’s WORK, and it’s boring. This is part of why there are so few real journalists left.
It also involves choices on how to use limited resources.
A lot of rationalization from you on why you were wrong. And largely supported democrat narratives in the process.
and no anger at being deceived
So, you are saying a libertarian magazine felt devoting resources to talking about child services talking to parents who let their kid walk outside alone was more important than the federal government actively interfering and driving social media content to serve government purposes?
Why not both?
Reason is supposed to be about confronting government corruption, after all. You can cover the first, without neglecting the second!
But apparently the second should have been neglected because Orange Man Bad, or something.
… changing their tune when conspiracies are confirmed by facts…
What? No principles I guess.
Is this how you rationalize everything you are wrong on?
Because most conspiracy theories are bullshit. That makes dismissal is the best approach.
Especially when government Experts frantically assure us that it is indeed a Baseless and Dangerous Conspiracy Theory with absolutely no evidence to be found backing it up. That's when dismissal makes the most sense.
Dismissing all politically inconvenient facts as "conspiracy theory" is what is bullshit.
The media routinely dismisses anything they don't like politically that way without any examination of the basis and likelihood of truth. Then leftists like you crap out lame excuses like "conspiracy theories are bullshit" so you never have to bother your fragile little minds and worldview with anything potentially upsetting.
Don’t forget how anyone who disagrees with them, or presents said theories, or even merely asks a question is:
Racist
A Nazi
Pro Putin
A big doo-doo head
So really, fuck Sarc, and fuck his leftist pals.
When I was growing up, I saw a conspiracy about the Oklahoma City bombing I was able to easily dismiss, because it suggested that a fertilizer bomb wasn't destructive enough to destroy the building -- so the bomber of the building used a barometric bomb, which is what terrorists use to blow up airplanes.
Yeah, that conspiracy was very easy to dismiss, because I knew terrorists used barometric bombs to blow up airplanes because barometers were the triggers that indicated that the explosives was in thin air.
Nowadays, I have to pretty much take anything I hear from government with a grain of salt -- I've seen too much "barometric reasoning" coming from them lately.
That conspiracy theorist confused "barometric" (a bomb triggered by air pressure) with "thermobaric" (like a fuel-air explosive). A thermobaric bomb gives several times as much energy released per ton of bomb, but I wish that was what Tim McVeigh had used - thermobaric bombs are tricky, and he had neither the budget nor a site to test large bombs before the attack. An untested thermobaric bomb would almost certainly have fizzled, likely with a spectacular fireball, but with most of the fuel burning up gradually instead of detonating all at once.
McVeigh didn't try that. He kept it simple so no test was needed - just a large truck filled with a lot of explosives. There were over 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate, nitromethane, and jet fuel in 13 barrels. To be sure of detonating the barrels, they wrapped 350 pounds of Tovex around them. They attempted to guide the blast with tamping material. Finally, they left all their tools and leftover materials in the truck. It was not a sophisticated bomb, but it was _big_, equivalent to 5,000 pounds of TNT. That's 1/6 the energy of the Hiroshima A-bomb, but the bombers were after one building, not the whole city center.
One thing no one gives Reason credit for is changing their tune when conspiracies are confirmed by facts.
So, when their initial position is hopelessly and utterly discredited, they'll backtrack. Wonderful. We'll give them a cookie. Generally, it's probably better practice to actually investigate the accusations and form a rational opinion at the time.
They seem to be quite willing to believe if they agree with the sentiment (see the "credible" accusations of Blasey-Ford in the Kavanaugh hearings) and to seriously doubt if they disagree with the sentiment (see "Twitter is silencing dissenting voices")
This
Actually most conspiracy theories are pretty normal.
For example if your boss and coworker are conspiring to do something secret, whether it's a birthday party, promotion, or tryst, it's a conspiracy. Similarly, politicians and corporations conspiring to pass laws that favor the corporation in exchange for donations is a conspiracy. We just don't call it a conspiracy theory because these are considered normal.
Similarly, the idea that the government is working with media companies to monitor and control publications is hardly unusual. In fact, after Snowden and McCarthy, it should almost be expected.
We aren't talking flat earth or lizardman stuff here.
But we pretty much knew what was happening (anyone who was paying attention). The "twitter files" are just confirmation that it was deliberate. Some conspiracies are more plausible than others and real conspiracies do exist all over the place. I think it's wise to do a bit more analysis than "it's a conspiracy theory" before dismissing something out of hand.
Except the 'files' show nothing of that sort.
They show that the government helped Twitter enforce it's policies.
Not that the government created or influenced Twitter's policies.
While many conspiracy theories are BS, the Hunter laptop was not, and to informed people, NEVER appeared to be BS. Those 51 people who said it was Russian misinformation should be fired immediately and never allowed to hold government positions again.
This.
We had big paeans to the sanctity of 230's Good Samaritan clause and lots of "Muh private company", even when it was crystal clear that it was the federal government who was behind it all.
Shut up and bake the cake already!
"Is the government meddling similarly with YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Google search? "
My new favorite stupid question.
Nah, there's no reason to ask this question! While it's clear now that Twitter censored people because the Government encouraged them to do it (albeit they likely happily went along), I'm 100% certain that censorship from YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Google, and hey, we should throw in Amazon for good measure (anyone remember what they did to Parler?) was all done fully spontaneously, from the goodness of their hearts, with no direction whatsoever from Government, nosiree!
And anyone who says otherwise is peddling conspiracy theories, and should be banned from all these things!
Prove that Twitter censored people ‘because the government encouraged them to do so’…
You can’t. None of what has been released shows that. What it shows, is that *after* Twitter already decided to censor people, the government helped them identify individual violations of their policy.
Totally different.
There is NOTHING that Twitter banned, that would have otherwise been allowed 'but for' actions of government agents.
Because that was the correct thing to do, nevermind the nonsense spin from the Trump folks.
There has been zero evidence to-date, that the drive Rudy was passing around contained 100% genuine, unaltered material.
Where are the mastodon links?
The Museum of Natural History?
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funny second-day too
Given their reputation for kiddie porn, I’m sure Shrike has them.
Did 'Every Conspiracy Theory' About Twitter Turn Out To Be True?
Not only are they all true, but so is every other conspiracy theory!
Poor sarc
You're really upset that the "moderate" wagon you hitched yourself to turned out to be authoritarian fascism of the worst sort, huh.
Speaking of authoritarian fascism, see California's new fast-food oversight law, which will emplace "top men" to set wages, working conditions, etc. for the industry.
CNN:
In a move the restaurant industry warns could raise fast-food prices, California’s governor signed into law a bill creating a “Fast Food Council” to determine standards for pay, hours, and working conditions for the state’s fast food workers.
Under the legislation, the council could raise the minimum wage for fast food workers to up to $22 an hour — well above the $15 an hour in the state for employers with more than 26 workers.
The new standards apply to chains with at least 100 locations nationally.
“Today’s action gives hardworking fast-food workers a stronger voice and seat at the table to set fair wages and critical health and safety standards across the industry, “said Governor Gavin Newsom, who is also a restaurant owner. “I’m proud to sign this legislation on Labor Day, when we pay tribute to the workers who keep our state running as we build a stronger, more inclusive economy for all Californians.”
Courts have only recently halted enforcement of the new law...I guess they had to wait for it to take effect first.
Can we consider California part of South America yet?
California belongs under martial law, and Newsom belongs in prison.
Yeah, because that's real pro-freedom - locking people up in prison for having different political views than you do...
America doesn't work that way.
"Yeah, because that’s real pro-freedom – locking people up in prison for having different political views than you do…"
Dave A, beating on straw men everywhere and always.
Fuck off and die, Dave.
Just pathetic.
Every conspiracy? Of course not, just the ones grounded in reality that our leftist press agreed with up to and including the permissiveness of child exploitation on the site plus the speech suppression they were covering for.
At this point, I'm now almost wondering if the moon is real and if NASA really landed there, or that the Earth is round, or that the Earth is really more than 6,000 years old.
The fact that the Government says these are false makes it a challenge to reject them.
I have to remind myself there are plenty of sources outside of Government that confirms the truthfulness of these things (and in the case of "The Earth is more than 6,000 years old, there's even religious sources that confirm this -- so I don't even have to choose between faith and science!) -- so it's ok for me to still believe them.
But I'm still going to hold on to the conspiracy belief (that I even came up with myself!) that even if the TVA hadn't dammed up the Tennessee Valley, that the farmers in the area would have managed to figure out how to get electricity anyway -- and perhaps it would have been even better than what the TVA came up with! Perhaps, for example, every farmer would have just created their own generators, and thus open the door to refining decentralized electricity generation ....
>>The government is secretly policing speech.
not if they were sending emails to the private sector. twitter execs should have immediately exposed the efforts
No better than the guys who were designing death camp ovens.
They weren't theories. We knew for a fact this was going on. The material proof was simply lacking until now.
And sarc will defend being wrong the entire time.
And on into the future.
They still are theories.
You guys have just convinced yourself that you have 'proof' when you do not.
There is still NOT ONE THING that was banned on Twitter, which would have been allowed if not for actions by government.
"They still are theories."
Notice how Dave gets his fingers in his ear just before screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!"
No, Dave, you are full of shit; they are all well-documented by now. No one is buying your bullshit.
Hmmmm...Hunter's laptop. FBI had the data for many months and then warned various sources that Russian disinformation about Hunter was about to drop a few weeks before the Post published the story. 51 government flunkies said it was Russian disinformation. Then the Post story was memory-holed.
Did you miss that one?
Come on guys. Give the MSM and Reason a break. EVERY conspiracy theory about twitter didn't turn out to be true. Dozens of them did and the MSM/Reason ignored them. But SOME were possibly NOT true, so their actions are justified.
ProgTrolls, did I do this right?
Sarc is basically saying being wrong was moral since he refused to recognize the facts prior. It is pretty stunning.
"Of course, Twitter is a private company," and so is Joe's Grocery.
But when the local thugs tell Joe they want 10% of the weekly receipts "or something may happen to that plate glass window of yours or your daughter's pretty face," we don't brush it off by saying it's o.k. for him to be extorted because he's a private company.
Under current media rules, the Pentagon Papers could not be published today ("hacking" as an excuse); and if somehow a media outlet went rogue, every other media outlet would go into overdrive to suppress the story.
Of course, that's absurd. The reality is, if it aligns with the left's policies and religion, it can get published and trumpeted. Only things that go against the leftist orthodoxy get suppressed.
#4 Twitter was run by ideological cunts, including ex-government types, eager to do the bidding of establishment overlords.
Fissile thinking to the rescue.
1. Gubmint shouldn't be pressuring private entities to police speech.
2. The antivaxxer/hydroxychloroquine/ivermectin brigade were basically wrong all the way through and have consistently either lied or spread other people's lies about the best way to combat Covid.
Well this is embarrassing for you given the Berenson TwitterFiles today.
Is there a narrative from the left you haven't pushed shrike?
"Fissile thinking"
What the fuck is "fissile thinking"? Easily spilt?
I'm guessing you were trying to say "facile", but fucking retard that you are, you don't know how to spell it or what it means.
I will admit that your convoluted attempt to minimize government censorship and lie about Covid treatments is anything but facile. It takes a hell of a lot of conscious denial to cook up those positions. Too bad they're still retarded lies.
I thing "fissile thinking" should mean something though. Perhaps a good synonym to "cognitive dissonance" or "doublethink".
In his case it should relate to fucking children.
Meh. Don't want to play that game. I find this is better when you just ignore the commenters/comments you don't like.
No. He’s a goddamned pedophile. Proven by his own posts. I will NEVER let that go. By rights he should be in prison, or dead.
I’m not some semi-literate seppo like you, Josef's Lament. “Fissile thinking” means splitting a question into two or more components to be addressed separately.
For example, wrt the DP, fissile thinking would separate considering whether someone deserves the DP, and whether states have the right to inflict it into two different components of the general question.
"I’m not some semi-literate seppo like you, Josef’s Lament..."
No, you're a fucking unique pile of lying, TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die; your dog will be pleased and your family proud.
"The antivaxxer/hydroxychloroquine/ivermectin brigade were basically wrong all the way through and have consistently either lied or spread other people’s lies about the best way to combat Covid."
...except that is false. Every criticism of the vaccine has been shown to be accurate. And nobody claimed ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine were guaranteed cure-alls for the disease. Just that there was no harm in trying, given that they have been used to treat diseases for a long time and do not have many known negative side effects.
BOAF SIDEZ in the house!
Um, no. None of the criticisims of the US-made mRNA vaccines have proven accurate. – They don’t contain products of abortion – They don’t change your DNA – They don’t cause clots or lethal heart injury. – They *do* lower the probability of contracting, spreading, or being hospitalized for COVID-19 when viewed from a cases-per-thousand-population perspective (especially the now-extinct original variant that provided the DNA sequence used to develop said vaccines).
Further, ivermectin & hydroxychloroquine have NEVER been used to treat viruses, and there has NEVER been any evidence they could be. Even the US MFG of ivermectin *repeatedly* stated that it has no antiviral properties.
‘No harm in trying’ isn’t entirely true either – as wasting these drugs on a virus reduces the supply available to treat things they actually help with, AND it discourages people from accepting the actually-effective treatments (vaccines and antivirals)….
Let's not forget these morons were also promoting azythromicin - an antibiotic - as a treatment for a virus too... Which is beyond stupid & does real-world harm by breeding resistant bacterial strains.
The entirety of the anti-vax/’alternative COVID’ world was complete bullshit, and still is…
No, Dave. You are full of shit.
Yes, there was some disinformation out there. But the most dangerous came from the CDC.
- COVID doesn't spread in the air (March 2020)
- You cannot get/spread COVID if you had the vax. (Dec 2020)
- The vax has no significant side effects. (Dec 2020 to today)
- Kids should be vaxxed. (mid 2021)
- You are safer wearing a mask. (Mar 2020 to today)
Keep up the stupidity.
"Fissile thinking to the rescue."
Lying TDS-addled lefty shit to the front.
Whether or not ivermictin works to treat COVID, do you know what's a convoluted, retarded lie? That ivirmictin is "horse dewormer" that can't be used to treat human diseases.
Who's policing the "debunkers"?
And why should we trust these "debunkers" who have been siding with the liars far more often than not?
It's not a lie, though
Antivaxxer 'contrarians' really were buying the veterinary preparation of ivermectin because they couldn't get anyone to prescribe the human version as a COVID prophylactic/treatment.
The human-disease indications for ivermectin include lice & tropical parasitic diseases. Not viruses. Doctors were understandably unwilling to prescribe it for COVID based on little more than internet-crazies claiming it works...
Yes, Dave, it's a lie. You are full of shit.
And now the Teacher's Union leaders insist they were really trying hard to keep schools open during the Fauci-virus. By this time next year they will be saying the schools were never closed in the first place.
And the Voters will remember that as true.
"Of course, Twitter is a private company, and it has every right to label the tweets of Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kuldorff as "misleading" when he tweets statements such as, "Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should.""
Actually, no. Labeling something truthful as "misleading", especially from an expert in the field is potentially defamatory. Doing so is a problem because a company like Twitter does not have the knowledge base to accurately determine such assertions "misleading".
Also, claiming that they do engage in shadow banning and then doing so while hiding the fact that they’re doing it is patently dishonest. A private company can’t tell you there’s no peanuts in a dish that is entirely coated in peanut oil, even though it’s a private company and allowed to make their own decisions. Lying to your customer base is not free speech, it’s fraud.
And, per your example, if you knowingly served someone a plate of peanut oil and insisted there's none you've rather provably perpetrated much more than just fraud.
Calling someone an expert, when he is saying something opposite of all the other experts, because he agrees with your viewpoint is dishonest to the extreme.
The pattern with vaccination is historically clear across multiple diseases (smallpox, measles, polio, etc): It works best when everyone is vaccinated, and failing that the closer you get to 100% the better.
People having a temper-tantrum because 'the other political team' wants them to get a vaccine are not actually qualified for an exemption, no matter what preposterous nonsense (abortion! changes my DNA!) they make up to justify it...
And private businesses have every right to require vaccination as a condition of access to their property.
"Calling someone an expert, when he is saying something opposite of all the other experts, because he agrees with your viewpoint is dishonest to the extreme..."
And no one die that, Dave. You are full of shit.
Have you forgotten that the vaccines did NOT go through the normal trials? They were allowed on an emergency basis. And the mRNA technology is not fully vetted for humans.
Forcing people to take an experimental medication under threat of losing their jobs (military, medical) is abuse on the scale of Tuskegee, if not the intensity.
I'm finding it impossible to take anyone who defended/supported this DNC Conspiracy seriously. Their exposed credulousness mortally wounded any credibility they may otherwise bring to a conversation.
In Pomerantsev's book about Information Wars he posits that the goal is not so much to control speech as to shape it such that an individual no longer knows where to look for valid or needed information.
I'm left with a renewed appreciation for the contumacy I've enjoyed for 6 decades.
I learned a new word today. Thanks
Should the word "resilient" in the Jack Dorsey quote be "resistant'?
"resilient to...control"
It may be the 'to' and not the 'resilient' you are having problems with.
if he meant to relay an anti-authoritarian position he might have used 'against'.
Generally speaking; any time the current political Establishment calls something a ‘conspiracy theory’ the odds are pretty good they are right. Real ‘conspiracy theories’ - stuff to deranged to be true - the establishment leaves alone. They get debunked by independents.
The Progressives Left has been the Establishment for a long time.
Seems we're at the "It's not so bad" stage of dishonesty. It doesn't take "all" the issues to be true to admit a disaster:
We had an arm of the government suppressing damaging news regarding a POTUS candidate in the weeks leading up to an election.
Someone needs to be held accountable in a manner suitable for the crime.
Remember... The people saying "no big deal" told you that a handfull of memes on Facebook totally rigged the election in 2016. That was the entire justification for this huge expansion into speech suppression.
"Remember… The people saying “no big deal” told you that a handfull of memes on Facebook totally rigged the election in 2016..."
Further, that handfull also made the election void; a claim for which they suffered nothing whatsoever, while Trump (and those 1/6 protesters) was and is hounded by a witch-hunt for making the same, far more credible claim regarding 2020.
No one claimed the 2016 election was void.
And there is zero credibility to the 2020 claims.
Dave, you are so full of shit, your eyes are brown:
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’
https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html
Ctrl + f 'whitelist': 4 results
Ctrl + f 'blacklist': 0 results
Fucking anti-diversity white supremacists, they're everywhere man!
Twitter is a great little microcosm for explaining why democracy sucks.
With the people you were in countering your day today, life, your family, your friends, the people you do business with, you’re probably fairly civil and encounter fairly civil people that treat you with basic human respect and decency.
Go on Twitter, and the world is apparently populated by psychotic trolls looking for reasons to hate you. People’s willingness to be antisocial assholes, to treat you with complete disrespect goes up exponentially when you are a complete anonymous stranger at best, or, at worst, a stereotyped character.
Same thing happens in the voting booth.
The worst atrocities imaginable become reality when we separate the agency from the execution and hide the results. For example: soldiers were “just following orders.” Generals give orders, but don’t explicitly dictate methods of execution. So no one can feel accountable. Likewise, voters only elect politicians. Politicians do only what their constituents want. So no one can feel accountable.
Imagine Twitter, but if the poll outcomes resulted in actual enforcement by police and military. That’s basically the vision of society a lot of people want. Count me out.
"Twitter is a great little microcosm for explaining why democracy sucks..."
Back up your claim, or STFU.
Your examples do not support your claim at all; please tell us which alternative would produce better results and why.
This article is so weird to me.
First, two weeks and two authors to come up with this weak tea? A full length article that not only does no original reporting, but it doesn't even capture the scope of the topics it is covering. Two weeks to write up a list that half of the commentariat could have done off the top of their head after the covert propaganda Twitter drop?
But more generally... This is an ideologically driven publication. Overreach is the stock in trade of the ideological publication.
Give reason a police shooting and they will spin muddled information that looks bad into a callous and intentional murder by police. That is how we roll around these parts.
But now?
With everything we have.. the best you can do is "there could possibly be some stuff here that we should have some concern about. We should be careful about this going forward!!"
Holy crap. Dudes!!
You have been handed proof that Twitter was pressed into service to rig the 2016 election in a scheme that was run out of the FBI. That scheme is probably not limited to Twitter. In fact, Twitter was a minor player.
This is not "a possibility". Your fellow libertarian journalists over at Substack have clearly and effectively documented it.
This is so unbelievably weak! Why? What possible motivationdo we have for covering for these guys? There has never been anything more in the wheelhouse of "libertarian journalist" than a huge and wide-ranging conspiracy to control journalists and suppress free speech by average Americans. That isn't even red meat... That should be like dousing you with gasoline and tossing a handfull of road flares at you.
Why? What possible motivationdo we have for covering for these guys?
because a person would have to confront the idea that everything they know to justify their world-view was wrong and would have to build a new reality.
They're too heavily invested in delusions to quit.
Except that none of what you post is true.
Twitter decided – independent of any government influence – that certain uses of their private property were unacceptable.
The government – with the 2016 Russian social-media information-ops campaign in mind – acted to help Twitter enforce those rules.
That is not ‘election rigging’ (let alone *2016* election rigging), that is – effectively – an anti-trespassing campaign (helping Twitter enforce their property-rights).
"Twitter decided – independent of any government influence – that certain uses of their private property were unacceptable."
Dave: Spreading lies in every post!
"FBI treated Twitter as a ‘subsidiary,’ flagged tweets and accounts for ‘misinformation’"
https://nypost.com/2022/12/16/fbi-treated-twitter-as-subsidiary-flagged-tweets-for-misinformation/
"He should aim to design a platform that makes this kind of meddling impossible so that we don't have to trust any tech executive, including Elon Musk, not to censor speech on behalf of the government."
Even if Musk was perfect with regard to free speech and privacy, he won't live forever plus he will be turning over Twitter's day-to-day operations to someone else anyway.
‘Perfect’ if you want Twitter to cease to exist.
Ask yourself this: Who are Twitter’s customers? And what is the sole duty of a corporation?
Answer: Advertisers, and ‘maximize shareholder value’.
You can’t ‘maximize shareholder value’ on an ad-supported website if you turn it into something no major corporation wants their ads to appear on (a problem Twitter had before Elon – just not as bad).
Or if you run off all the technical talent that supports it by making your company the worst place (in terms of compensation & terms-of-employment – not politics) to work in the industry….
There is some evidence he may be learning (closing his Seattle offices to save on rent & having the staff there work 100% remote)… But it doesn’t seem like he is learning fast enough, and the reputational damage on the customer side continues to pile up…
An 'moderation-free' platform, further, cannot exist as an ad-supported business model.... If you want that, go set up an IRC server or your own self-hosted UBB bulletin-board website.
It’s all more proof that we need to get rid of the democrats. They are an existential threat to all Americans.
we need to get rid of the democrats
We need to get rid of the 3 Letter Agencies and especially the Police State. Both sides salivated over the patriot Act. Take away the guns that are being used against us and making us pay for the pleasure.
That won’t happen until after the democrats are gone. And please note that those agencies ar largely staffed by democrats anymore.
No the hardpoints are the 3 letter agencies. They must be reduced first.
…… and the democrats will prevent that. Their removal is a key first step. Then lock down those agencies and clean house. Many of them should no longer exist.
The problem is, there was an ENORMOUS amount of bullshit being thrown around by all sides everywhere, and if maybe 5-10% of true, it doesn't excuse the other 90-95% of it which wasn't true, and furthermore, it doesn't justify the PROCESS of flinging bullshit in order to discover the truth.
Remember "microchips in vaccines"? That was bullshit. Not true.
Remember Dr. Malone and his claim that COVID caused this "mass formation psychosis"? Yeah, that was bullshit. Not true.
Remember ALL the people on Twitter who claimed to have been banned because they were "conservative"? Umm, no - they were banned because they were assholes who also happened to be conservative. EXCEPT for maybe a half-dozen or so. But that half-dozen doesn't justify or excuse all of the assholish behavior of all the rest, moreover, it doesn't validate their false claims that they were banned for ideology.
So…. to make your point, you point to extreme fringe conspiracy theories, and vague bullshit claims about who was banned. Ignoring all the legitimate information that was suppressed by your fellow travelers.
If Biden ever gets his Ministry of Truthiness off the ground I suspect you will be salivating for a chance to work for them.
This is the real point. Everyone fantasizes that they will be among the top men, not among the oppressed masses.
It’s a key distinction between leftists and the rest of us. They all see themselves as having a seat at the table. Not realizing that they’re on the menu, same as everyone else.
Private property rights = Twitter has a right to censor whatever the hell they want.
You pay nothing to use the site – with no exchange of consideration, they have no contractual obligation to allow you to keep using it. And even if they did, said contract would absolutely spell out certain things you couldn’t say without being in breach.
There is no right to use Twitter. Period.
And once again, the government exerted ABSOLUTELY NO influence on what things would or would not be allowed.
"Private property rights = Twitter has a right to censor whatever the hell they want."
Not under government pressure, lying pile of lefty shit.
“FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story”
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reached-out-to-twitter-before-post-broke-hunter-biden-laptop-story/
What legitimate info was banned?
Rudy's cooked 'Hunter Biden' hard drive?
Claims that the COVID vaccines kill people?
To get to 'legitimate information' being banned you have to be extremely gullible, or really really 'wanting to believe'...
The slimy pile of lefty sht Dave keeps the lies coming right along!
"What legitimate info was banned?"
"How Twitter shttps://thespectator.com/topic/twitter-suppressed-hunter-biden-laptop-story/uppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story"
You're batting a thousand, lying pile of lefy shit.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Even your rationalization is not true
We know for a fact that conservatives were banned from social media for sharing conservative views. "Because they were assholes" is just not remotely justifiable.
First, we were there. But more importantly, now we have the documentation of what really happened.
Go read Greenwald and Taibbi et al. These are people of the far left. They lay it all out. They do not mince words. They detail how the cadre in the FBI set out to censor conservatives. They say that is what they intend to do. The Twitter paperwork confirms that they indeed did that.
At one point, it was my opinion that jeff was dishonest, but the evidence is by now overwhelming; the asshole is dumb as a rock and deserves to be muted.
A "conspiracy theory" is, in reality, a political science theory posited from observable phenomena which can be proven by testing and review of data.
Once proven, it is no longer a political theory, but an historical fact.
There is no such thing as a conspiracy theory: it is a pejorative description of a political theory opposing the unproven theories of those using the pejorative terminology.
I once heard that the term "conspiracy theory" was coined -- by the CIA, of all people -- to describe the moon landing "hoax", the flat earth, the Holocaust "hoax", and various ridiculous ideas about how JFK was assassinated, among other things, so that people would get a bad taste in their mouth when they hear the term "conspiracy theory" -- and thus have a term that can be used to cloak something that is really happening, but Government and Political lizard-people don't want us to really believe.
I think it worked, at first, too, at least for a time -- but the problem is that in the last two years or so, the technique was used so often, and the number of truths the Government and Twitter et al were trying to hide were so large, and the actual truth was exposed so quickly, that at this point, "conspiracy theory" means "something that will be confirmed in three to six months by the people who don't want us to believe it right now".
Pedantry:
"I once heard that the— to describe the moon landing “hoax”, term “conspiracy theory” was coined — by the CIA, of all people ..."
Nope, along about 11/23/63 it showed up.
I once heard that the term “conspiracy theory” was coined — by the CIA, of all people...
Where did you hear that? How reliable is that source? What documentation and research do they have to back up that claim?
I found this pretty quick.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-jfk-941578119864
Of course, they would want you to think that the term existed prior to JFK's assassination, wouldn't they?
Would it be considered ironic that there is a conspiracy theory about where the term conspiracy theory originated?
The apologist for murder heard from:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
The issue with free speech and guns is about the same. If speech and guns did not both kill, people would not want to regulate them. There is a difference, i.e. people love to be lied to but no one loves to be mowed down by a AK-47. One quack shooting out disinfo on Covid can kill more than a paranoid with an assault rifle, but we will never know whom the Covid liar killed.
To complicate matters, the power to censor quickly corrupts the censor and soon the censoring is more harmful than the falsehoods.
What "conspiracy theories" ? We are dealing with well-documented events. The Biden campaign, in order to guarantee the victory of their lame and silent candidate, wanted to make sure that social media published/promulgated only news and opinions that were helpful to their cause. They did not want to use the state's machinery because the US still has constitutional guards against doing that. So they (who? the DNC?) recruited the major influencers. It was easy to enlist/coopt the devoted services of EdBiz (from kindergarten to grad schools), organized labor and Wall Street (easily bought with promises), the info/entertainment world (already prostituted). Social media appeared reluctant, so the Bidenites resorted to good-old bare-knuckles intimidation: They sent "advisory" messages to Tweet and other massive (practically all-monopolistic) organizations describing what they were expected to put in front of the voters and what they were expected to marginalize, ignore or even outright deny.
This resulted in a "land-slide" victory by the Harris-Biden ticket, a gruesome even regretted even by most blue voters.
'The Biden Campaign' did not have the power to do any of this, as it was *the Trump Administration* that was in control of the government.
Musk's algorithm is constantly still distorting the twitter experience by throwing people into your feed you don't follow or care to follow. He's trying to get people to argue, because it increases impressions on advertisements he can sell. I've had to mute a bunch of idiots, and 80% of what I use/used Twitter for is sports news. I don't need Bongingo and Boebert farting in each other's mouths when I just want to see if my WR is practicing this week.
Tin-foil hats are on Aisle #6.
That is the same bonkers-crazy take on it that you’d expect from Federalist.com
There is absolutely zero evidence that agents-of-the-state influenced Twitter moderation decisions – eg, the making of the rules that define what is and is not allowed – in any way.
COVID conspiracy theories, the 'Rudy Files' story, certain social-conservative viewpoints on trans issues, and all of the rest were banned not 'because the government said to', but because Twitter was pre-disposed to make such choices on their own....
There is evidence that various government agencies operated their own ‘Twitter Neighborhood Watch’ – reporting violations of the pre-existing rules. But that’s not influencing any decision of any sort.
Similarly, the author continues to act like the ‘Rudy Files’ story (wherein, let’s remember, **Trump’s personal lawyer claimed without-proof to have a copy of Hunter Biden’s laptop drives (despite never having seen any original laptops from which those files were copied), which he was promoting to various news outlets, most of whom laughed him out of the room***) should have been treated differently… Which is also nonsense.
The Trumpsters spin on this stuff is crap. Twitter acted within the legitimate scope of their own property rights, to decide on what sort of content they would allow to be shared *using their private property*. That is a hard-and-fast right, that if you are actually libertarian you must respect.
The 1A only applies when government itself is restricting speech, or when government coerces a private actor.
“There is absolutely zero evidence that agents-of-the-state influenced Twitter moderation decisions – eg, the making of the rules that define what is and is not allowed – in any way…”
Notice how Dave sticks his fingers in his ears just seconds before screaming “I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!” You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.
What an assinine response.
If you actually believe that the US government 'censored' postings on Twitter, then answer this one simple question:
What general subject of discussion was banned on Twitter, that would have been allowed but-for action by agents of the US government?
There isn't anything.
Twitter wouldn't have allowed the stuff they banned even if there had been absolutely no contact between the government and the company.
The government merely helped them enforce policies they had already independently come up with.
Here's your hat, what's your hurry?
“FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story”
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reached-out-to-twitter-before-post-broke-hunter-biden-laptop-story/
The FBI ‘pressured’ Twitter? Nonsense. No one in their right mind would have accepted that story as believable, which is why the Post is the only outlet that did.
And they *still* haven’t been able to prove Rudy/Trump-people didn’t add any material to that hard drive (the contents of which can only *partially* be authenticated as genuine Hunter material).
No one, after all, has seen the original material. The FBI has it - and HAS had it since mid-Trump-administration days (yes, it was *Trumps* FBI that was in possession of the original laptops for years before the Post story).
The logical presumption – especially given Trump’s prior Hunter/Ukraine nonsense – is that it was in fact doctored, before it was shopped to the press…
It’s you guys’ version of the ‘Steele Dossier’….
Ah, a Twitter-FBI-Collusion Denier!
Or, simply, a raging ignoramus.
What was banned on Twitter, that Twitter would have allowed if they had not been in contact with the FBI?
You can't come up with anything, can you?
You're full of shit:
“FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story”
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reached-out-to-twitter-before-post-broke-hunter-biden-laptop-story/
No, that link is shit.
The FBI did not pressure anyone.
Nobody in their right mind would have trusted Rudy Guliani to have - let alone provide them with - a genuine, unaltered copy of Hunter's hard drive.
There's still zero evidence it's unaltered.
You've got the evidence; steaming piles of lefty shit are immune to reality.
One thought experiment occurs to me: to take the principle at issue here out of the context to better visualize it. Suppose that an ancient Hellenic citizen wanted to debate a political issue in the public Forum with other citizens but, when he arrived for the debate he was told by the Hoplite working for the Polemarchos at the entrance to the Forum that the debate had been moved to a later date at the other Forum across town. Suppose the citizen found out subsequently that the Hoplite had lied to him because the Polemarch disagreed with positions he had taken in previous debates and only allowed citizens with whom he agree to participate in the debates.
Not sure it's worth such a reference.
We (supposedly) live in a country guided by an agreed-upon Constitution, which was written to limit the powers of the government over the population. The actions of the government are limited by that document.
Nowhere does it suggest any branch of the government has any authority to exercise any control over the information provided to the population by any means at all.
Someone needs to pay the price here.
Government didn't actually exercise such control though.
There is, again, nothing that was prohibited which Twitter would have allowed 'but for' government involvement.
"Government didn’t actually exercise such control though.
You're full of shit:
"How Democrat Adam Schiff abused his power to demand I be kicked off Twitter simply due to a personal vendetta"
https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/how-democrat-adam-schiff-abused-his-power-to-demand-i-be-kicked-off-twitter/
And:
"FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story"
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reached-out-to-twitter-before-post-broke-hunter-biden-laptop-story/
Nonsense.
The 'Rudy Files' are not believable evidence, given past corrupt attempts to frame Joe Biden (leading to the 1st impeachment).
And no, the fact that some of the files on that USB drive are genuine does not change this fact.
The way you do that sort of a frame-job, is you put a handful of fake files 'proving' corruption in with thousands of innocuous real ones...
Schiff doesn't have that power- there's nothing he can actually DO to Twitter.
NYP is off on their typical tabloid nonsense....
We know you are dishonest and stupid, but the depths of both are amazing!
Do you really think anyone is buying that pile of shit?
Is this before or after they imprisoned women and slaves for being too woke?
Given that you are a slimy pile of TDS-addled lefty shit, would you care to make your comments relevant to the issue at hand, or simply admit that you're a fucking ignoramus?
Still waiting, shit-pile.
It exposed the state controlling private industry, and we all know what that is called:
fascism
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There is one Twitter conspiracy theory that actually was false - the one claiming the Russians stole the 2016 election for Trump:
https://reason.com/2023/01/09/russia-twitter-trump-election-no-influence-fake/
So conspiracy theories follow the same pattern as hate crimes: When reported and publicized by leftists, they're almost always fake. When reported by conservatives, they are true but the news is suppressed.
Correct. However, there is a clear pattern here. All of the claims of “conspiracy theory!” from the left turn out to be fake claims. In fact, when Democrats claim something is a “conspiracy theory” it is an accurate predictor that the underlying theory is both correct and highly toxic to their totalitarian agenda.
It’s nice this has been publicly exposed, but ultimately pointless unless thousands of the conspirators go to prison.
What law was broken?
There wasn't one.
So it's perfectly legal for federal government agents to 'manage' (censor) the news?
We know you're stupid, but we assumed you'd at least heard of A1
So the government didn’t manage the news. And none of the NYP nonsense you keep posting shows that they did.
The government helped Twitter enforce it’s policies, they were not involved in developing those policies…
Neither the crank with a vendetta against Schiff, nor Rudy’s ginned-up ‘Biden Drive’ (which while partially composed of Hunter material, is essentially *certain* to also contain forgeries created by the Trump campaign, added after the fact as part of their ongoing quest to frame Joe) would have been permitted on Twitter even if the FBI (which let’s not forget, worked for Donald Trump at the time) had never said a thing.
The only actual influence exerted on Twitter, was by it's customers - who do not want their ads appearing next to a stream of bullshit cloudcukoolander conspiracy theories.
All of those links and many others show the government was indeed managing the news.
You look much more honest and intellegent running around the room with your fingers in your ears, screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!"
Let’s remember one more thing: Until Jan 2021, the FBI was under the control of the Trump Administration.
The ‘Biden Campaign’ was not a government organization & had no authority over any government resources. It was a private entity *seeking* to achieve government power, not a part of the government. Joe himself had been a private citizen since Jan 2017.
So the argument being made here by the Trumpies, is that Trump Administration people censored things on behalf of the Biden campaign…
Also, the Trump DOJ had the *actual* Hunter Biden laptops in their custody since 2019 – long before August 2020 when Rudy was given the USB drive he later pushed to the media.
So if there was actual legitimate evidence of corruption on those computers that would hold up in court, they could have opened a prosecution long before the 2020 campaign started…
Hmm… I wonder why… Maybe what Rudy gave to the NY post is *not* actually the same as what the FBI has locked up in evidence??? A few things added here, a ‘big guy’ file added there… It certainly would fit the pattern of corruption/fabrication we saw from 2016-Jan 2021.
"Let’s remember one more thing: Until Jan 2021, the FBI was under the control of the Trump Administration..."
Well, no.
Let's remember that Dave is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, willing to ignore any and all evidence.
Fuck off and die, Dave; make the world a better place.
Did 'Every Conspiracy Theory' About Twitter Turn Out To Be True?
Does it matter? Enough of them did to prove the point, and make Reason writers look like the fools they tend to be when it comes to Democrats.
Would you even be asking this question if it was a crime punishable by imprisonment to do so?
If lying were a crime, you would be in prison.
Just bake the cake.
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If lying were a crime you’d have to refute something I’ve said to say that or you’d be in prison.
Why? Others have refuted your Nazi nonsense a dozen times over. Possibly more by now. Just because you’re a FOURTH Reich fanatic doesn’t change the established facts that disprove your bullshit.
Best you just commit suicide now, and avoid any more fuss.
That’s two more lies against you.
Unless you can prove any of them. Nothing but a description and link will do.
Hahaha.
That’s not how a debate works Herr Misek. The Holocaust is proven. A fact. It’s existence as a historical event is the status quo. You are arguing against that. This requires proof that is deemed to overturn the status quo, as you are arguing in the affirmative. Said proof must then be accepted, and by far more people, than you and a few other skinheads with swastikas tattoos.
Therefore YOU are the liar. And by your standard, should be locked up. Perhaps executed. So maybe you should keep your Nazi lies and propaganda to yourself.
Misek’s “irrefutable” evidence shown to be largely lacking in evidence and refuted where we find some few scraps:
1) “There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence.”
That’s a lie.
Contemporarily, there was ample evidence in carcasses, skeletons, other human remains, mounds of possessions, gold dentures, etc.
Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas: Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow: Post-Leuchter Report (archive.org)
2) “Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred”
Irrelevance
3) “The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.”
Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.
4) “Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.”
Bullshit. It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.
5) “And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.
6) “Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school”
To be honest, I haven’t heard of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.
7) “Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of”
Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html
8) “Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?”
OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.
9) “The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers”
Cite missing.
“The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?”
Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero
10) “Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.”
Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero
11) “According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.”
Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero
12) “Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.”
One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.
13) “If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.”
More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.
14) “Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.”
Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.
15) “There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.”
I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence
16) “The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.
Nazi scum responds with further bullshit and arm-waving, being too stupid to understand the concepts of "relevance" and "evidence", claims the above is only a flesh wound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijhbHvxWrA
Stick your head in a gas oven and die, Nazi shit.
"That’s not how a debate works Herr Misek."
See nearby for his "evidence"; most of which is not even close to what the term requires. Similarly a Jew lied about something , "...therefore the Holocaust didn't happen..: the concept of "relevance" is a total mystery to the asshole.
The real issue here is extremely limit mental capabilities; he simply denies the actual evidence and claims 'victory'!
The stupid do that regularly.
This is the fifth time this feeble fuckwit has re-pasted his pathetic attempt to refute my statements.
Each time I have soundly refuted every every one of his numbered claims, here, which also links to his previous failed attempts.
Your feeble attempt to refute what I said was refuted, below, 3 months ago when you first posted it and you haven’t tried to do better in any of the five times you’ve re-posted it.
How it works is that you, not me, stand refuted. Try to keep up.
https://reason.com/2022/12/14/elon-musk-should-take-a-clear-stand-against-censorship-by-proxy/?comments=true#comments
Here is each of your pathetic attempts soundly refuted, point by point.
If you want to refute them, fill your boots dipshit.
1) “ Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas:”
Do you realize that your quote is refuting the holocaust?
Are you saying that the lecter report was objective forensic analysis? Because it concluded that the holocaust couldn’t have occurred as told. It was written in the US where the holocaust is not alleged to have occurred and it is not a crime to deny it.
The “polish rebuttal” was never peer reviewed and was conducted in and by a nation in which concluding the holocaust never occurred is a crime punishable with imprisonment. Does that sound “objective” even to you?
A summary of this topic, for the brainwashed, is that the iron in zyklon b reacted with the brick turning it blue in the clothing fumigation but not the alleged homicidal gas chambers. That is a fact.
Leuchters report in the US was not allowed in the second trial of Ernst Zündel because the court ruled that it wasn’t forensic. Both trials in Canada in the 1980’s though initially convictions were subsequently overturned. He was eventually deported to Germany where merely denying the holocaust is a crime, and convicted of that.
The polish report simply found trace elements of cyanide in the bricks at the alleged homicidal chambers as would be found in all buildings in any camp using zyklon b for delousing. It never compared the amount differences ignoring the blue fumigation versus gray homicidal bricks as the direct result of repeated exposure to zyklon b in one versus the other.
There has been no objective peer reviewed forensic analysis conducted to resolve this issue because in Poland where the evidence exists, it is still illegal to do so.
What government will allow a government approved report to break a government approved law?
Your vague point (1) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 2)…
2) “irrelevance”
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and your conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates your disregard for justice and your bigotry.
Your statement (2) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 3)…
3) “ Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.”
Zyklon b was used all over Europe for decades before and during WW2 to kill lice that carried typhus. It is not evidence of a holocaust.
You haven’t refuted anything.
Your point (3) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 4)
4) “It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.”
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
Why don’t you try it?
Your claim (4) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 5)…
5)” Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.”
It’s not irrelevant when the facts I’ve presented are irrefutable. It describes what you are currently trying to refute and are failing miserably at.
Your statement (5) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 6)…
6)” To be honest, I haven’t head of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.”
If you haven’t heard of it how the fuck can you refute it? Just because you’re ignorant of it, doesn’t make something irrelevant.
We’re starting to see your pattern here.
Your statement (6) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 7)…
7)” Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
w.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html”
Read your own link fuckwit.
It admits that “the world was learning about the holocaust” in 1941 as the result of allied propaganda.
I provided this cite to you years ago and you still haven’t refuted it.
Here it is again dummy.
“Looks like partial cremation retard sevo doesn’t want to try to refute the proof of lying shlomo.
Time to rub your nose in your amateur attempt to refute the proof that Germans were concerned about the lives of the prisoners in Aushwitz.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
The link is to many more that share all kinds of Aushwitz details, absolutely no hint of any “extermination plan”.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
Here
GPDD No’s.:- 194/199, 201/203, 205, 218, 219, 222/3, 226,
233, 236, 239, 240/2, 247.
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Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A
further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures;
deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in
AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from
AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August
Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for
50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of
prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are:
NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
w.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/hw16_65_zip_os2_27.9.42.html
Your point (7) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 8)…
8) “OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.”
Yeah thanks for admitting that you think that Germany intentionally lost WW2 to cover up the holocaust. Just go with that next time. Hahaha
Nothing to refute here folks. That was easy. Moving on to 9)…
9)a)”Cite missing.”
Cite provided above. That was easy. Moving on to 9)b)…
9)b)”Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero”
The Red Criss kept records of their visits to all prison camps. Including Aushwitz.
Here is a summary of all recorded deaths. My point remains.
From: International
Red Cross, Arolsen
West Germany
w.renegadetribune.com/international-red-cross-report-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/
Your point (9) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 10)…
10)”Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero”
You have not attempted to refute my statement.
Your rhetoric (10) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 11)…
11)”Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero”
It clearly demonstrates that the liars who concocted and told the holocaust story can’t get their lies straight. It is irrefutable evidence of Contradiction = lie.
Now you’re just being lazy.
Your feeble attempt 11) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 12)…
12)”One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.”
One more fact that you haven’t refuted.
We all can see that you’re not even trying to refute what you deny.
Your pathetic attempt 12) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 13)…
13)”More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.”
More logic that you can’t/won’t refute.
Your pathetic attempt 13) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 14)…
14)”Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.”
It’s a fact that demonstrates that Jews have a long history of falsely claiming holocausts and logically questions the statistical likelihood that this time after 166 lies that actually 6 million Jews did die.
That’s relevant.
Your pathetic attempt 14) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 15)…
15)”I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence”
Again, you aren’t refuting my statement. People have found the evidence. I’m sharing it. You’re denying but not refuting it.
Cite provided again.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
Your vague doubt (15) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 16)…
16)”Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.”
They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.
That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.
Yeah, it stinks. But it’s coming from you.
Your pathetic attempt 16) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to… that’s it you’re done.
I’ve demonstrated that you haven’t refuted any of my points.
I like feeding the irrefutable evidence of truth to bigots like you and laughing every time you choke.
Yes, I’m weeping. I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time. Hahaha.
So Ted the fuckwit admits that neither he nor anyone else has actually refuted anything that I’ve said.
Simply claiming that what my statements have refuted as false “is true” isn’t refuting what I said.
It’s just repeating what I’ve already refuted.
Like the other fuckwit is doing, repeating what I’ve already refuted.
Until any of you refute what I’ve said, what I’ve said stands as the best truth we have on the subject.
That’s how concluding debates works.
The last statement remaining unrefuted concludes the debate and stands as the truth.
That’s why by attempting to end debate without conclusion, the cancel culture, woke and the fact that it is a crime to refute the holocaust with correctly applied logic and science in every nation where it allegedly occurred ARE WRONG.