Did Biden Just Commit America to Another Forever War in Ukraine?

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Did Biden Just Commit America to Another Forever War in Ukraine?

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Peter Suderman, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and special guest Zach Weissmueller consider President Joe Biden's surprise visit to Ukraine and the developing list of 2024 Republican presidential candidates.

0:23: Joe Biden's visit to Ukraine

17:51: Nikki Haley and the developing 2024 presidential race

34:43: Weekly Listener Question

46:28: Debt, inflation, and entitlements

55:06: This week's cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

"During Surprise Trip to Kyiv, Biden Promises Endless Support for Ukraine War," by Christian Britschgi

"Should America Keep Funding Ukraine? Live With Emma Ashford, Nick Gillespie, and Zach Weissmueller," by Zach Weissmueller and Nick Gillespie

"Russia's War in Ukraine Threatens Starvation for the World's Poor," by J.D. Tuccille

"Nikki Haley's Presidential Bid Is an Unappealing Mix of MAGA and RINO," by Eric Boehm

"Despite His Record, Donald Trump Plans To Run as an Anti-War Republican," by Joe Lancaster

"Speak Loudly and Carry a Big Bat: Ron DeSantis Is on Deck," by Eric Boehm from the April 2023 issue, which is available to subscribers.

"How Should Libertarians Think About Intellectual Property?" by Nick Gillespie

"Why Copyright Law Is so Mickey Mouse—And How To Fix It: Q&A With Jerry Brito," by Joshua Swain and Nick Gillespie

"Don't Let Disney Monopolize A.I.-Generated Art," by Jon Stokes

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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Audio production by Ian Keyser

Assistant production by Hunt Beaty

Music: "Angeline," by The Brothers Steve

What are we consuming this week?

Nick Gillespie

• Station Eleven

Zach Weissmueller

• What the Madoff Series Left Out

Peter Suderman

• Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

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• Women Have Been Misled About Menopause

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Comments

[A Thinking Mind]

Can we question if there's anything going on in Ukraine that might allow Biden to line his own pockets? Is that a fair thing to ask?

[Rob Misek]

Here’s Victoria Nuland, Biden’s assistant Secretary of State planning the coup in Ukraine in 2014, putting the Jew Zelensky in charge, and having Nazis fight his bloody civil war against Ukrainians who had won a democratic election with Yanukovych

Biden never did respect democracy.

https://vimeo.com/176845185

[Mickey Rat]

Nazis fighting for a Jewish president. They would seem to be bad at being Nazis.

[Nardz]

George Soros laughs in neighbors' wealth

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Business is business.

[Rob Misek]

The AZOV battalion. You’ve simply been brainwashed to believe perhaps the biggest lie, conspiracy, in history.

You probably consider this irrefutable information hatred and tolerate if not advocate it’s censorship here, while in many other countries including all where the lie allegedly occurred, refuting the lie is a crime punishable by imprisonment. That’s effective brainwashing.

Nazis and Jews have similar beliefs and methods, just different agendas, ask any Palestinian.

Jews claim ownership of the satanic secret society freemasonry, whose goal is to rule the world, which necessarily depends upon lying, Nazis the similar Thule society .

Nazis considered themselves the master race to give themselves false superiority and entitlements, Jews the chosen people.

Refute it or recognize the truth. Wake up from your brainwashing.

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[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

What are you talking about?

Biden's visit was totally badass according to all the cool people on Twitter who could not have found Ukraine on a map a year ago, but now base their identity around supporting it because it was attacked by the country they blame for Hillary losing to a handpicked opponent.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

He fucked up the end of the last forever war, and he wants a chance to do it right the second time.

[Nardz]

This is on you, Reason.
He's your guy.
Assist goes to never trumpers and believers in the freest and fairest election ever crowd.

[A Cynical Asshole]

Did Biden Just Commit America to Another Forever War in Ukraine?

Yes.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

And apparently we will provide cradle to grace welfare for the Ukrainians too.

It’s time to get rid of the democrats. Before the world becomes a nuclear wasteland.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1627820923922554881?t=bqpLif_IFS6uOY7JXVTWDw&s=19

Zelenskyy and Biden are fighting the same war against racism and imperialism as Malcolm and Martin.

[Nardz]

Can't wait until they start blaming Russia for this one...

https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1628046720482279428?t=BNMlzkCVuvdy1PCzKn6Acg&s=19

THIS IS BAD

Massive amounts of excess deaths and nobody seems to know why.

What do you think is causing this?

[Link]

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1628111534009221147?t=mKSpNV7QbzpolFnDsCvdWg&s=19

Karolina Stancik of the Army National Guard suffered two heart attacks after receiving the COVID vaccine at the age of 21.

Here's how the military treated her after the first attack:

[Video]

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/MogTheUrbanite/status/1628140128290934807?t=CGjN3ZtCQKik2SeWzUHFbw&s=19

I do wonder, if there is a goal behind all the recent industrial accidents, if it's more about getting everyone into a state of uncertainty.

Will we have a big cyber attack from a 'foreign power" here soon, as a pretext for war?

It's also possible this is being driven by incompetence and retirements.
But that doesn't preclude my original point

Of course, if it really was about whipping people into a frenzy, then you'd expect to see confusion, weird panics, and dramatic overreactions

Like shooting down a random weather balloon with a missile

[Chumby]

Biden (D) voted for the disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, in addition to the $100B plus he has sent to the corrupt regime in Kiev, so his track record is clear on military adventurism.

[(Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring]

Yep, this son of a bitch is right on pace to become the first guy to lose two wars in American history, in large part because it happens to be the place where he and his worthless piece of shit crackhead kid are laundering most of their ill-gotten gains.

And as if that isn't bad enough, all the market gains on the calendar year to date were completely wiped out today. And I know that the reason why our economy is now hopelessly stuck in a muddy ditch on the side of the road is because of the rising interest rates, but the Fed doesn't have a choice because this asshole caused the worst inflation in 40 years with his unprecedented, insane, out of control spending binge.

Worst fucking excuse for e president ever. Impeachment now, please!!

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[Nardz]

It's a very good speech. I'd post, but it's a little too long for that. Worth a read.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828

[Nardz]

If you'd prefer it in a tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1628162498561036288?t=PnWy3fMuJpmt55v9Z9oWKQ&s=19

[Nardz]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/president-trump-warns-america-that-joe-biden-the-state-dept-and-nato-are-putting-us-on-the-brink-of-world-war-iii/

[Nardz]

Wearing Ukraine flag pin as he says this...

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1628084371612897287?t=UouL4I4lplo45pK2-2BLtg&s=19

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney at a press conference for slain police officer Chris Fitzgerald:

"You can say you back the blue but if you don't back gun control and gun availability, you don't back the blue."

[Video]

[Agammamon]

Did Biden Just Commit America to Another Forever War in Ukraine?

Isn't this what we wanted? This is, after all, what 'the adults are back in charge' looks like - you got an adult with a 50 year track record in the White House. How could you not know what he would do?

[Nardz]

"Forever War" is probably the wildly optimistic/naive prospect.

This isn't good:
https://radiomoldova.md/p/6570/russian-mfa-protests-to-ambassador-tracy-over-u-s-involvement-in-ukraine-conflict

"The protest note sent to the ambassador stressed that the pumping of weapons to the AFU, as well as the transfer of targeting instructions for strikes on Russian military and civilian infrastructure clearly proves the inconsistency and falsity of the American side's claims that the United States is not a party to the conflict," the statement said.

[TJJ2000]

War-Hawk Biden, War-Hawk Obama....
"Record setting military budget"...
Never underestimate the ability the left has to PROJECT.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1627751208067731459?t=nCVhsy27VyS9PNQbSrzM3w&s=19

For those of you who are not familiar with the Vietnam Era, this was tried by LBJ in 1966 with Project 100,000, which lowered the minimum required score for the Armed Forces Qualification Test. It was a disaster. The newly qualified soldiers were slow learners, routinely

[Link]

incompetent and undisciplined, and in combat were dangerous to themselves and their comrades. Their fatality rate was three times that of soldiers who met the previous qualification standard.

You can get the details in a book titled "McNamara's Folly."

That the Navy is doing it again after that experience, in an era when cognitive demands of military service are higher than they were 50 years ago, is gross negligence towards those who are already serving and damaging to national security.

[Nardz]

By the way,
Coming soon to Reason: "why the conservative push for national divorce is bad: it will make us vulnerable to Russia"

[Beezard]

Trump taking the anti-war angle is SO going to crank up active attempts at censoring war skeptics to 11.

[Vernon Depner]

The Russians will take over all of Ukraine in the next few months. No "forever war".

[pankaj]

It's deep politics!

[Jerry B.]

Got an email from the Virginia Libertarian Party inviting me to a demonstration organized by "Rage Against the War Machine".

https://rageagainstwar.com/#Invitation

I'm curious as to how one would negotiate peace in Ukraine with Russia. Seems like trying to negotiate with a hungry wolfpack.

[Barnstormer]

It does seem like a tough row to hoe, but it isn't--or it shouldn't be--America's problem.

[Nardz]

Russia's had the same demands for Ukraine they've had for the last 9 years, and they're entirely reasonable.

[Jerry B.]

And they are?

[Chumby]

Biden (D) should be committed…to a assisted care living facility.

[Jefferson's Ghost]

Just for fun.... complete Trump's (paraphrased) comments on DeSantis with the appropriate lyrics:

"Ghost Rinos In The Sky"

[boroka]

Wisdom proven as far back as the times of Chinggis: Short wars — even if terrifying — are always preferable to recent extended US adventures in, say, VietNam, Iraq or especially Afghanistan. And here we go again, to the joy of killing-machine producers. Clearly, Russia will not allow itself to be “neutered.” So why not strive to end this purposeless madness?

[Childhood reader of SCOTUS opinions, really]

He swore: absolutely no more drilling , you can trust him.