Ethan Nadelmann: How To End the Drug War (and What Comes Next)
The Drug Policy Alliance founder and Psychoactive podcast host on how to build a post-prohibitionist America.

As anyone who is involved in drug policy can tell you, Afghanistan wasn't really America's longest war. That shady honor belongs to the war on drugs, which has been waged at the state, local, and federal levels for well over a century, even before President Richard Nixon officially declared in 1971 that he was starting "an all-out offensive" on the "drug abuse" he called "America's public enemy number one."
Yet it's obvious that the drug war is in fact winding down. In the 1990s, medical marijuana was legalized in various states. Now 16 states have legalized recreational marijuana, with more to come. Last fall, nine out of nine drug legalization or decriminalization measures passed at the ballot box, the use of MDMA to treat PTSD is in final clinical trials with the Food and Drug Administration, and there is an increasingly visible cultural shift that is welcoming to psychedelics and other mind-expanding substances. This November, LSD even comes to that safest of all cultural playgrounds, Broadway, with the musical Flying Over Sunset, a fictional account of a meeting between novelist Aldous Huxley, playwright/ambassador Clare Boothe Luce, and movie star Cary Grant, all of whom experimented with psychedelics in the late 1950s and early '60s.
Nick Gillespie's guest is the one person in the best position to explain and interpret the country's shifting attitudes toward drug prohibition and drug use. He's Ethan Nadelmann, the 64-year-old founder and former head of the Drug Policy Alliance, one of the oldest and most effective outfits fighting for pharmacological freedom. A former college professor who taught political science, Nadelmann brings together an academic's rigor and depth of knowledge with an activist's sense of urgency and energy (read a 1994 Reason interview with him conducted by Jacob Sullum).
Over the years, Nadelmann has allied and sparred with everyone across the political spectrum to make drug policy more humane and less punitive while also talking up the positives of responsible drug use. You can listen to him on his new weekly podcast Psychoactive, where recent guests have included psychedelic enthusiast and best-selling author Tim Ferriss, leading psychotherapist and psychopharmacologist Julie Holland, integrative medicine guru Andrew Weil, and advice columnist Dan Savage on "sex, drugs, and freedom."
This is a great and rollicking conversation about the past 50 years of drug laws and drug culture—and what comes next as America oh-so-slowly starts pulling out of its longest war.
Photo: Gage Skidmore.
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>>while also talking up the positives of responsible drug use
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The drug war, whether it started in the early 1900s or under Nixon, has always been about control. The only reason the State is letting it fade away now is because it is too distracting from the new control wars: climate and wokism.
I once read a book about Al Capone. I am amazed that no one today makes the correlation of todays drug war and the problems in Chicago and other large cities, with that of the Prohibition. I'm seeing more and more that people don't see the point of the War on Drugs anymore, that is of course unless you are a Fundamentalist Christian.
What are you on about? People have made the comparison since the beginning, and Christians have nothing to do with this.
Drugs are bad mmmkay.
I was hoping to hear at least a little analysis of the direction in the USA and elsewhere that medical use of narcotic analgesics would be going in, but nothing. Nadelmann really isn't into non-psychoactives, so as expected, nothing about that (e.g. SARS-CoV2 vaccination). It was more about the recent past in the USA: who's been thinking what about what. And about him.
I hate listening to an hour-long podcast that I could read as a transcript in ten minutes. TLDL
You didn't miss that much. It was centered more on persons than on abstractions.
say we won, and quit fighting
Ethan Nadelmann is a insufferable elitist. He is definitely Progressive "Liberal" and throughout the interview can't resist adding in digs against republicans and glossing over the failures on the democrat side.
I agree that the war on drugs does much more harm than good, but the biased history presented by Ethan Nadelmann is a major turnoff. It's difficult to believe that he worked with a whole variety of people with different ideological beliefs.
These people whom put up with this insufferable elitist must be stellar citizens and ignore his constant digs due to the single common issue.
Living in an overwhelmingly blue state in the most progressive district of my state, I have met many Progressive "Liberals" who claim to have an "Open Mind" and willingness to work with people with other ideological beliefs.
In reality, there is usually only a one way dialog. The attitude always comes across that "They are right and you are wrong".
I have learned to not bring up topics where we disagree, and stay with topics where we agree. The same is barely ever the case and I've try not to react to the constant digs and comments that these Progressive "Liberals" let fly. I also attempt to resist the retaliatory comments pointing out the fallacies.
Nick does a great job with his interviews, but at times the guests irritate me such as Ethan Nadelmann. Even though there is the common goal of ending the war on drugs, we can't allow cannot this goal to be tied to any party.
If the goal is tied to a party, then there will eventually be a backlash. Where it vacillates between one authoritarian party to the other authoritarian. The goal needs to be elevated across party lines and Ethan Nadelmann does the cause harm when he infuses partisan politics into the debate.
you cant end the drug war until you have market for the drugs. the pop culture glorification of drugs is the driving force for drug use among first users.
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When Ethan suggests not going to places with loud music and lots of people when tripping, he seems to be condemning the whole Deadhead scene.
The government has no business having any Drug Policy.
yes is it! A former college professor who taught political science