The Trump Administration Is Lying About Gun Rights and the Death of Alex Pretti
"Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it's a Constitutionally protected God-given right," writes Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.).
Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents shot and killed a U.S. citizen in Minneapolis, Minnesota, outside a restaurant on Saturday. The victim, 37-year-old Alex Pretti, was licensed to carry a firearm, and he had one with him. The available footage does not show every detail of what happened, but Pretti was holding a cell phone rather than his gun when the officers initiated contact and began wrestling him to the ground.
Trump administration officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Deputy White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, have already declared the killing completely justified, claiming that Pretti had intended to murder law enforcement agents. There is no evidence of this—none whatsoever—which makes it difficult to avoid the conclusion that the administration is prepared to brazenly lie about what happened.
Other Republican officials, including Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and FBI Director Kash Patel, are taking the position that merely bringing a gun to a protest is a violation of the law or an indication of murderous intent. This is deeply wrong, and it is in conflict with the First and Second Amendments—two fundamental rights that Republicans typically profess to care about.
As with the killing of Renee Good two weeks ago, the legal threshold at which lethal force can be justified is whether the officer who killed Pretti reasonably feared for his own safety. Only a careful, impartial investigation can determine that. The Justice Department has declined to conduct such an investigation into Good's death, instead seeking to investigate the victim's family.
Video footage of Pretti's death shows federal agents using pepper spray on protesters. Pretti appears to be recording the altercation with his cell phone. After an agent shoves one of the protesters to the ground, Pretti moves to assist her. Several CBP agents then decide to bring Pretti down.
It's conceivable that the agent who shot Pretti had the impression that he was reaching for his weapon—though the first shot clearly went off after another agent disarmed the protester. It's also possible that the killer didn't have even that much justification. Yet federal authorities have all but ruled out that possibility, and are making abjectly false statements in support of their mendacious posture.
Noem has repeatedly claimed it as a fact that Pretti intended to harm officers. "This individual showed up to a law enforcement operation with a weapon and dozens of rounds of ammunition," she told reporters. "He wasn't there to peacefully protest. He was there to perpetuate violence." Miller flatly asserted that Pretti was a "domestic terrorist" who "tried to assassinate federal law enforcement."
These are lies. They have no evidence that Pretti wanted to kill anyone. Even if evidence were unexpectedly to come out tomorrow that he was secretly a would-be assassin, it would still be wrong for officials to state as fact that Pretti intended to kill. There are no known facts that establish murder as his motivation. This is a man who was watching officers interact with protesters and recording it on his phone. Contrary to what the Department of Homeland Security wrote on X, he did not approach law enforcement, let alone with a gun drawn.
These willful omissions and obvious lies do not inspire confidence that the federal government has any interest in discovering the truth of what happened. That is a glaring indictment of the Trump administration's approach to immigration enforcement specifically and law enforcement in general.
As if quietly conceding that none of the available facts were advancing their preferred narrative, several Republican officials are taking the ludicrous position that merely possessing a gun in the first place is evidence of an intent to cause harm. Bessent and Patel both sided with Noem on the Sunday morning shows, agreeing that Pretti should not have possessed the gun in the first place. Bessent said the protesters should carry billboards rather than guns. Patel said that bringing a gun to a protest was a violation of the law. That is simply untrue, as Minnesota is a concealed carry state, where it is lawful to carry a firearm in a public place. The notion that an individual cannot or should not exercise his First Amendment and Second Amendment rights at the same time is usually a misguided leftist talking point; in fact, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken criticism from conservatives and libertarians for becoming squishy on this and advocating against the gun rights of protesters after the January 6 riot.
U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California Bill Essayli went even further in the wrong direction, writing on X: "If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you."
Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) took that to task. "Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it's a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don't understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government," wrote Massie.
Essayli's comments also drew a rebuke from Gun Owners of America, a lobby that defends the Second Amendment.
"Federal agents are not 'highly likely' to be 'legally justified' in 'shooting' concealed carry licensees who approach while lawfully carrying a firearm," the group wrote on X. "The Second Amendment protects Americans' right to bear arms while protesting—a right the federal government must not infringe upon."
More Republicans should take their cues from Massie and Gun Owners of America. The administration is eager to jettison cherished First and Second Amendment rights to forestall any possibility that a federal agent might be held responsible for an improper shooting. If they succeed, the GOP will cease to be a political party that even pretends to care about free speech and gun rights.
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Waiting for other 2nd amendment supporters to concur that a person legally licensed for concealed carry is allowed to carry a gun to a protest, (as Kyle Rittenhouse did) instead of jumping to arguments that support the pro-masked-agent narrative.
Absolutely. If I conceal carry as a routine part of my life and everyone should, then I'm going to carry no matter where I go. One fact we know to be true here: the guy was legally armed and that's all that matters in the terms of his possession of a handgun. Everything else is speculation at this point
Years ago in a concealed carry course we were advised that, if we were carrying, to “avoid stupid people, avoid stupid places”. A fucking Minnesota ICE demonstration is a textbook example of where not to go.
Hours of fascinating discussion can be had about the RTKBA and involvement in political rallies. But if you’re going to carry concealed, you had better pull your head out of your ass and start to think pragmatically. All you have to do is be standing there when shit goes haywire, at best you’ll end up in prison and you’ll never be allowed to own firearms again when you get out. At worse, you’re going to get killed.
And fucking Team Blue isn’t even going to give your family a folded flag for service to “the cause”.
So concealed carry is basically useless where you need it most. This is not an accident. It's what the feds always wanted and they have more cover than ever now that Trump castrated conservatism.
I’d agree that concealed carry is useless where Team Blue needs it most, specifically at their curated ICE riots in Minnesota.
Meaning of no value to the useful idiot who gets themselves thrown in prison or shot for muh open boarderz.
But All you have to do is be standing there when shit goes haywire, at best you’ll end up in prison and you’ll never be allowed to own firearms again when you get out. At worse, you’re going to get killed applies to anyone wishing to protect their property in MN.
Not trying to catch you in a "gotcha" here because I agree with you. I'm just pointing out the feds are de facto removing 2A rights with this behavior.
No the feds are not. Petti chose to go to a dangerous place (an anti-police protest), chose to get involved in a specific personal encounter between a protester and the police, and then chose to violently resist arrest.
Kyle Rittenhouse went to a riot to protect people and property. Petti went to an anit-police protest, interfered with a police operation, and then resisted arrest. It's too bad he died, but he was not doing himself any favors.
All correct. Maybe i misppoke blaming the feds. Its police in general. Rittenhouse types would be in danger if Walz had his forces out.
The fact of the matter is, being armed anytime and any place you come in contact with police you are much more likely to end up dead than an unarmed subject; the irony that what you want to protect yourself becomes a hazard if police are involved.
Being safe against the state is the primary purpose of 2A and now common sense tells us just the opposite is reality.
" Rittenhouse types would be in danger if Walz had his forces out."
Incorrect. As pointed out, Rittenhouse was there because law enforcement wasnt. As soon as he was near law enforcement, he put his hands up high and surrendered himself. Rittenhouse was there to help uphold the law against violent protestors that were breaking it, in the absence of cops.
These people are protesting law enforcement carrying out their legal duties and inhibiting them. These are complete opposites.
As pointed out, Rittenhouse was there because law enforcement wasnt. As soon as he was near law enforcement, he put his hands up high and surrendered himself.
Exactly. Rittenhouse surrendered to police. Pretti is clearly resisting.
From the video, I don't understand why they shot Pretti. But we have a slippery road, a resisting subject, jackasses blowing whistles and screaming. With so many distractions, how could a prosecutor argue that the agents actions were unreasonable. Those agents were not otherwise safe, Pretti's gun was not the only threat.
This really sucks. Pretti should not be dead. But getting involved was a horrible idea. You don't have to agree with ICE doing their job, but interfering with them is illegal.
One internet sleuth believes it was all an accidental discharge of Pretti's gun when it was taken from him. The rest of the ICE agents were responding to that and the comment 'There's a Gun'.
The photos are in the link.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/minnesota-shooting-seemingly-caused?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-4153312f-9dc9-4320-ac8b-b4c0803cbf28
CCW is of great use where you need it most: in everyday life, going about your day, and someone intends to assault or harm you in some way.
When you are at a protest that features lots of violence and scuffles with law enforcement, your CCW is literally going to put you in a box.
If you are placing yourself in an apprehensive position against law enforcement, and your calculus is "I have this weapon just in case" then really you have put yourself in a "if you are going to take a shot at the king..."
When you are at a protest that features lots of violence and scuffles with law enforcement, your CCW is literally going to put you in a box.
Yeah. This is exactly the problem I'm pointing out. We want to be armed to protect ourselves, but it becomes a lethal liability if you meet up with police. That's ridiculous and indicates a problem with the state of policing in the US.
"We want to be armed to protect ourselves, but it becomes a lethal liability if you meet up with police. "
The problem is spoiled and wound up ideologues who think they get to enjoy the privilege that responsible gun owners do, while they are doing shit responsible gun owners would never do.
All those proud boy protests, all the people who open carry, you know what they never do? They never put themselves between police and their objective, or obstruct the police, or confront them.
The problem is wound up shock troops who think they are going to go out and cosplay revolutionary and not face consequences. This dude probably just went and found the cheapest package he could (look up the gun, one of the most common searches is "what is the best budget 9+red dot I can get") and decided he was still going to be in the heart of the protest where CBP was conducting arrests. Responsible gun owners would do that. Still a bad shoot, imo. Still a dumb thing to do.
There are many instances -- anecdotal, because no incident reports are ever filed and they don't make the news -- of law-abiding, armed citizens "meet[ing] up with police" and nothing else happened. I, personally, have never been unalived by police because I encountered them while armed, concealed or otherwise.
Being lawfully armed becomes a liability when one behaves unlawfully.
"So concealed carry is basically useless where you need it most."
Holding a concealed carry permit does not deputize you, it affords you the ability to PROTECT yourself and others, it is not a free pass to second-guess police actions at a protest.
We also know he had zero identifying paperwork on him, for instance his concealed carry card, and I've read reports that he erased his social media accounts before stuffing his pistol and two extra clips in his pants and headed out to the protest.
If he was stopped on the way to the protest for a moving violation, and was found to be "concealed carrying" without any of his paperwork, what would happen to him, his gun, and his coveted concealed carry license?
How does being at a protest remove his obligation to carry his paperwork? Without his paperwork, his concealed carry isn't 'legal'.
You might have to wait a while for this.
Part of that right is a duty to exercise it responsibly and exercising your right in a place you intend to get into an altercation with armed authorities doing their job is not responsible.
"exercising your right in a place you intend to get into an altercation with armed authorities doing their job is not responsible."
I would argue its suicidal
No responsible CC holder would put themselves in that situation, or reached for their weapon, or resisted arrest. You’re a fucking Marxist clown.
KR only fired on Marxist Democrat rioters in self defense. The one he maimed even admitted in court he was going to murder KR if KR hadn’t shot him first. KR also surrendered peacefully to police.
Your fellow traveler Pretti violently resisted arrest and it looks like he other went for his own weapon, or tried to grab one of the brave ICE officer’s weapons.
In Summary:
Rittenhouse: American hero and innocent of any wrongdoing.
Pretti: Violent Marxist scumbag who got himself killed while criminally threatening ICE officers who were just trying to do their jobs.
I genuinely feel sorry for you. You're such a tool; such a conformist; so desperate for approval, it's turned your brain into silicon. You're beyond a moron at this point. Likely beyond help.
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No one tells me what to think, you pathetic little bitch. I tell YOU what to think, because you’re so fucking retarded you can’t figure it out for yourself and have become a thrall to the Marxist democrat hive mind. You wouldn’t DARE disagree with your democrat masters, or they will cancel your ass.
You’re the ones who went along with all the democrat authoritarianism during Covid. I vocally resisted. And you think and say exactly what they tell you to think. You are a mindless follower.
Everyone is waking up to the fact that we absolutely have to get rid of your kind. I got there on my own over 20 years ago. And everyone here will attest to the fact that I’ve been saying this here for years, when few others have.
You’re the tool. A dull, ignorant, retarded tool. Now that I’ve straightened you out, feel free to thank me.
haha so far beyind help
1) rittenhouse was attacked by low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultists
2) Law enforcement was attacked by a low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultist
what is the common thread here?
A retarded democrat thread that should have been severed with extreme prejudice a very long time ago.
Why was Mr. Concealed-carry guy fighting with federal officers?
You can carry, you can protest. You can carry at the protest. One thing seems left out - was he doing something besides just carrying at a protest?
If I was in his position, my hands would be go up way high in a non threatening manner and I would be Speaking clearly " I have a gun. Please take it safely away from me. I intend no harm to anyone. We can kindly talk about my peaceful protesting after that." And I do legally conceal carry at times.
Its also what you do at a traffic stop. I was only ever asked one time, and maybe its because I keep my hands on the wheel, or maybe because I was speeding a good bit in a hurry, if I had any weapons in the car.
Both hands on the wheel. "Yes sir, I do have a firearm, its locked in my glovebox, if you would like to see it my keys are over there you can check it out for yourself."
"No that wont be necessary, I appreciate your honesty, I am going to hang out up here while my partner finishes up writing your ticket. You need to slow way down"
Gun ownership comes with responsibility. Playing revolutionary is going to keep getting people killed.
Everything you say is correct, but don't you see the problem that you have to behave like a docile dog around police if you have a gun? When i was a kid every pickup had a gun rack in the back window and life went on like normal. You didn't have to think twice at a traffic stop because being armed was normal. Cops didn't comment or ask about the weapons. Now it's seen as a sign you're a domestic terrorist.
The country has changed in quite a few ways, and lets say that there are a lot of stops that aren't 17 year old John Boy from the local football team who was maybe driving a little tipsy and getting into some trouble.
Ive seen way too many videos now of stops that seem tame and the driver starts shooting at cops. They work in a different environment now, just how it is. Frankly, there are a ton of little gang bangers out there now, and most of them are armed with an easily concealed 9mm that carries 15 rounds. That was not the norm back in the 60s.
LMAO, funniest thing I have read today
Ok? I'll go further.
A person is allowed to carry a firearm, at any time, at any place.
Now what?
Yes. You can typically carry anywhere, with exceptions (e.g. sensitive places, like court houses). But what you can’t do is pull out your gun when wrestling with the cops trying to subdue you. Or, maybe rather, you can pull out your gun, as long as you understand the LEOs you are wrestling with can legally ventilate you.
Walz +7
Rittenhouse did literally everything right, and Pretti did a couple things very wrong.
Most notably for Rittenhouse not only did not confront police (when he finally did it was with both hands high in the air in surrender), he also did not confront the protestors, he actually ran in full retreat, and didnt fire until another civilian was trying to kill him, and another hit him in the head with a blunt weapon.
Most notably for Pretti, he plopped himself squarely in the middle of the street and confronted law enforcement while having a CCW. And instead of complying when he was being arrested he continued to resist instead of just laying down.
They are actually almost opposite in terms of behavior.
I will say, Pretti didn't do anything illegal, and from the video it appears he is in the right. He's allowed to carry, he's allowed to film officers, he's allowed to be there. But you can ask literally 100 carrying members of the commentariat or poll 100 random CCW owners that are big 2A people and 0/100 would confront someone in an environment that is chaotic and people are scuffling, and confront law enforcement, while carrying. Zero. None. Its common sense, its responsible gun ownership, its what you are told to do when getting your CCW permit.
Those officers got absolutely trigger happy and are in the wrong, IMO. But that's a cold comfort when you're dead.
Was Pretti legally allowed to interfere with a federal police action? Why him, and not the hundreds of J6 protesters charged with tthis crime?
Up until the point that he interfered and then resisted arrest, I'm not aware of him doing anything illegal.
He could have 'safely'* conceal-carried all day without the other actions. It might have been stupid if his intention was to confront law enforcement, but if he was just actually legally observing and stayed out of the way, he would likely have been fine. He also may have been carrying for his own self-defense from the loony rioters. Can't ask him anymore.
*I don't know how safe it is to conceal carry that particular model of Sig.
LOL@resist.
I think a line has been crossed. It’s been amusing to hear the left actually quoting the Constitution (although, tbh, just as often misquoting it) in order to “get Trump”. But I never thought I’d see them jettison 150 years of opposition to the 2nd amendment rooted in their zealous pursuit of Jim Crow laws. Evidently, TDS is a stronger urge than “benevolent racism. If only we could get them to jettison hypocrisy, and continue to support the Constitution even after President Trump has left the stage.
One internet sleuth believes it was all an accidental discharge of Pretti's gun when it was taken from him. The rest of the ICE agents were responding to that and the comment 'There's a Gun'.
The photos are in the link.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/minnesota-shooting-seemingly-caused?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-4153312f-9dc9-4320-ac8b-b4c0803cbf28
The P 320 comes with 3 magazines that hold 21 rounds. Pretti had a magazine in the pistol and carried the other two. People carry concealed for effective self-defense. Did Pretti fear the zombie apocalypse?
Second, Pretti intervened in an ICE police action. He did not comply with the ICE Agents lawful orders to disengage. He did not let them handcuff him This made him dangerous, a wild card. He did not tell them he aas armed. Finally, ICE had no reason to be confident he had only one gun.
Where i live, a cop shot a lovely young redhead woman, bc she (the cop) thought the battery powered drill she held was a firearm. The cop was promoted, not prosecuted.
comply with what? fucking hilarious.
OF the administration where to have come out and said "We are applying the law and philosophy the left has demanded be applied to non-leftists. We are taking them at their word. This is the world built on their ideas. It all ends the moment they admit it is an evil hellscape," then I would at least understand. I wouldn't like it as I am not generally a fan of do evil unto he who wants evil done unto you. But there would be a an argument to be made.
Instead this admin is doing exactly what the left wants them to do. The left has been saying these things about the Trump administration for a decade now. For the vast majority of that time they were liars. But truth has become retro active. The left now gets to say "See!! Told you they were going to kill citizens in the street!"
Your opponents reaction is your real action... this is a guiding principle of leftist agitation. And we are seeing it play out in real time. Trump is following the script the left openly told him about. He couls have avoided it. He could have continued his form of success from his first term. He could have let the left continue to lie themselves out of respectability as they were doing.
But no... He has become easily one of the worst presidents and politicians of all time. Absolutely stupid in his political management on every issue. And worse... tolerating *easily probable lies* from his own people about *the literal worst things a government can do to its people.*
Eff this guy. I hope Pretti's family can find justice. I won't hold my breath.
This is quite naive. The left will do what they do regardless of the response. Your solution is to left the left do what they want and not react. My solution is to stop falling for the lefts bullshit like Reason does.
This is the same shit of 2016 to 2020 when reason cried chaos in reaction to the lefts actions, then promoted Biden as the return to normal.
Stop being a tool of the left. Calls them out for their own actions. Be libertarian and hold people accountable for their actions. Stop ignoring who the violators of the NAP are.
Papers. please...
And still retarded and irrelevant.
What does the INA say retard? Or are you still pushing the maddow lies of arrested citizens?
Let me guess. Your mascara runs when you get caught for a driving violation.
Address the actual situation retard. Stop distracting with useless points retard. Show your cowardice by refusing to admit any culpability of the federal agents involved retard. Be hypocritical by not admitting you would pretend to be appalled had the exact same situation happened under a Democratic POTUS retard. Repeat the lie this person intended to shoot agents when he never once had his hand on his own weapon retard. Be dumb enough to believe he had any intention of hurting anyone retard. Retard doesn't realize he could have gone up on a nearby roof and start firing if he wanted to murder agents, retard. Retards gonna retard, retard.
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Pretti carried two extra magazines -- a total of 64 rounds on his person -- not bc he intended ICE any harm, but bc he feared the zombie apocalypse.
Good afternoon RetardGPT.
Thats how Singapore does it.
They don't have a problem with illegalkind!
We wouldn’t either if we got rid of our Marxist democrats.
Go, Jesse!
The left are not right. They do not have enough experience to be right even if one were actually willing to consider terms of proper enforcement of any given legitimate difference of opinion being the topic of an obvious conflict.
shut up piggy
“Finally, the Left must stop antagonizing immigration and border patrol agents who are taking criminals off the streets and play a crucial role in protecting communities and upholding the rule of law."
Just thought I’d add what the Gun Owners of America concluded with in their statement. Reason seems to have left that part out.
Sort of like, say, editing a video
Reeeeason would never say this. They are in the 'no human is illegal' camp and believe in a two tiered justice system that allows their precious illegals to rape, steal, and murder with impunity.
Taking the "ICE is gestapo" at their word, there is no avoiding CW2.
And they threw in with the modern slavemasters.
If ICE were ghestapo, every single protester would be dead. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
Also, the modern day slave masters are the open borders acolyates demending cheap immigrant labor.
All of which makes the reeeeee-ing over these actions proof of their unseriousness.
But Pretti can indeed be their martyr, if they want to actually accept the consequences.
Good/Pretti was the eventual outcome of the gaslighting done to whip up anti-ICE sentiement. They probably won't be the last.
So they're slowly getting their feet wet with armed demonstrators. If this ICE demonstration bullshit goes far enough, weapons are going to be provided to the useful idiots.
It’s clear as day that it’s coming, and not without historical precedent.
LOL so you think they would just start mowing 10s of thousands of people down?
I’d the democrats do indeed start CW2, I say slaughter them all. Let them ALL be good commies.
You cant attack cops and resist arrest. Doing so armed is a Darwin award.
He did not attack cops. He was murdered by thugs.
ChinaGodiva, dropping "the" is a tell. Mandarin (and other Chinese languages) have no Definitive Articles.
HE LOOK LIKE A MAN!
He is literally on video fighting with cops china Tony.
Getting stomped on by six thugs is not "fighting".
That’s how you ChiComs do it in Beijing. Sometimes you run over them in tanks.
Second funniest thing I have read today. Trying to portray ICE as the protester run over by a tank? You would LOVE how they do things in China. Why the fuck are you still in this country when you can be where they run over protestors with tanks? That is what you want. So why the fuck are you here?
Walz +10
it's not like there is video of the LGBBQ weirdo far left Democrat cultist attacking law enforcement
He didn't attack any cops though.
He tried to help up a lady who had been pepper sprayed, and then he got grabbed and beaten by a bunch of agents.
He definitely tried to defend himself from the beating, which I agree is technically resisting arrest. I hope if I'm ever getting beaten up by federal agents for helping a woman in pain, I have the good sense to just take it, but reflexes are a bitch. Sometimes fatal.
He fought with cops legally detaining him retard. My god how some of you lie.
Please. Go arm yourself, obstruct cops, fight with them. You'll be the next Darwin award winner. I encourage you.
I know you are encouraging these killings. That's the sad part about you.
We encourage you leftists to stay the fuck out of ICE’s way so they can do their jobs. This gives you a 100% chance of not getting beaten, arrested for obstruction, or killed.
You have no right to obstruct, or ‘intervene’ when ICE is arresting one of your fellow rioters.
You keep saying things he didn't do though.
He didn't intervene in any arrest. The agents pepper sprayed and shoved a lady and he helped her stand up. She wasn't arrested and he didn't stop them. He was just being a nice person.
BS. I was just about floored when watching the video on CNN and Pretti literally charges the officers right there on the screen and the CNN host says "see he's backing away". My gosh man. Talk about a blatantly obvious lie the media-master propagandists expect people to believe over their own eyes.
These leftard fools are literally selling a delusional reality to people.
Charged at officers? How many were there at the point of contact when you were watching him "charge?"
so agents were involved in a confrontation and the LGBBQ weirdo far left Democrat cultist got involved and interfered with law enforcement?
wow are you stupid.
This is the best example of Poe's Law I've seen on here in a while. Bravo. I genuinely can't tell if you are a witty satirist or a genuine idiot.
Yeah, you’re just puking up DNC talking points now. What you said is utter bullshit. Just like you.
No one is buying your lies here. Perhaps you should go on down the way to WaPo. You can circle jerk with your fellow insurrectionists there.
Almost all of the anti-ICE protesters, despite their despicable message, manage to NOT obstruct law enforcement.
Obstructing law enforcement means going all-in.
Obviously some of them do. Or these things wouldn’t happen.
That is all he does, say things that aren't true.
It's impossible to say with confidence from the available videos that he was 'fighting with them'. When you are getting sprayed with chemicals directly in the face, hit with a can in the face etc, it's natural to try to shield your face or shrink back from being hit. Take a look at what they are doing to him. It would be difficult to not move a muscle.
There is a narrative here to support ICE, but the incident requires careful investigation. Pretti did not approach ICE waving a gun in their face. He got too trying to help the lady up and she was already too close. They were both too close to jumpy operatives with guns. However, the situation needs investigation, not jumping to conclusions and coverups.
The utility of having ICE in Minnesota is negligible unless you just want to stir up trouble and own the libs. There are many more illegals to harvest at meat packing plants in Texas or hotels in Florida if you just want high numbers.
As far as truly dangerous criminals go, the Minnesota Dept of Corrections is already cooperating with ICE/DHS, despite DHS propaganda stating the opposite.
https://www.twincities.com/2026/01/26/mn-prisons-say-feds-highlighting-routine-transfers-to-ice-as-arrests/
Pretti interfered with federal law enforcement-- a crime hundreds of J6 protesters were charged with -- when he intervened between ICE and their suspect.
Therer is no Constitutional right to act chivalrously, or whatever was running through Pretti's head when he decided to get in the way.
This is newspeak 2026. Protesting is now domestic terrorism. Self defense is now resisting arrest.
No, domestic terrorism is domestic terrorism. And what you and your fellow travelers are doing is in fact domestic terrorism. If you want to protest, do it away from LE operations in progress.
Well put, Moderation4ever!!! Short, sweet, and true!!! Kudos!
(Even reflexively raising your hands to your face to ward off the unprovoked pepper spray in your eyes is now "resisting arrest"!)
And the evidence for your proclaimed 'truth' is where?
Only sheeple brainless fools proclaim a 'truth' with nothing to support it.
Watch the videos of people molested and murdered by ICE goons, with an open mind, and ye will see. There are none so thoroughly blinded ass those who are swillfully blinded, and UNWILLING to see!
Oh. Now the officers are 'molesting' Pretti?
That's the 'truth' you see in the video?
Go on. Tell us more about this 'truth' evidence you see in video.
Pretti is trying to help back up to her feet, a woman molested by the ICE goons, and for that, the ICE molest his legal rights to carry a gun, by grabbing his gun, and then shooting him dead. And SOME people are SOOOOO addicted to the UTTER GUTTER-NUTTER THRILL of seeing ICE goons PUNISHING-PUNISHING-PUNISHING the illegal sub-humans and the protesters, that they take Great Delight in seeing the deaths and sufferings of these "wrong" people!
Gosh. Those 'rape' whistles are going off everywhere huh?
So the officers were 'molesting' the woman and Pretti too?
Go on. Tell us more about this 'truth' evidence you see in the video.
Later videos show TrumptatorShit-Worshitter (and illegal sub-human hater) joy-juice squirted all over Pretti's dead body! The TrumptatorShit-Worshitters LOVE themselves some death, suffering, and destruction, whenever shit is their enemas (and snot their fiends, and SURELY snot themselves) that have suffered and died!
How is ICE doing today?
Pretti Good!
Lol. Ok, that’s funny.
I’ll be suing that on democrats wackos all next week. It should be quite ‘triggering’ for them.
You are the only snowflake triggered here, every day, all day. #sad
Crazy talk is normal now.
When the truth is found to be lies,
And all the joy within you dies - - - -
Darby Slick
The shooting of Renee Good was murder and the video supports this conclusion. The Alex Pretti killing shows on video that it is even more conclusive of murder. Both also show the problem with accepting self defense is that you always have only one side. The person who killed. The Trump administration is using this fact, only the killer left, to try to paint a narrative justifying the killing. What we are seeing is that the narrative is weak and getting weaker.
All communists do is lie about everything.
You a communist or do you have another excuse for lying?
Cunt, you’re the liar here.
I cannot say conclusively that the killing of Good was murder. However, when the Regime declines to investigate - itself highly unusual - having taken all the evidence away from the state, and then refuses to return the evidence to the state. the most logical explanation is that they think it could well be murder and are hence covering it up to the greatest extent possible.
The evidence is the video. Which the state has.
The Regime would not have dropped the investigation if they thought the video and any other evidence exculpated Ross, obviously.
Well, yes, they would.
Can you say Warren Commission? Jerry Ford? Arlen Specter? Edwin Walker?
But what of Comstock, Hank!? What of Comstock!? And what about the girl bulliers?
No! Her vehicle struck Ross. He went to the hospital, and found to have internal bleeding, which might have killed him. Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt, with a unanimous jury, that Ross wasn’t in fear of death or great bodily injury, when he drew and fired?
And, of course, Good being told to exit her vehicle was a legal order by federal LEOs, performing their jobs. Ignoring the order and driving away was a crime (evading and fleeing arrest). It became a violent felony when she hit Ross. This alone justified her being shot by Ross.
Let's be clear here there is no real evidence that Ross was hit. After the shooting he was seen walking around with no indication of any injury. Finally a reminder that a bruise is internal bleeding and we have no report on about Ross's injury so no way to access the severity.
Tell me you've never been injured in a high stress, high intensity situation without telling me...
Why You Might Not Feel Pain Immediately After an Accident...
So, fuck off with this bit of sophistry (re: "he was seen walking around with no indication of any injury").
Release the medical records to the public. The sophistry here is on the part of the administration claiming that Ross was stuck without providing any proof.
Shock + adrenaline
Happens all the time
Nope. Everything you said is complete bullshit. As usual.
You’re just a lying, propagandist DNC shill.
the low IQ brainwashed far left mentally ill Democrat cultist abandoned her kids for a woman who thinks she is a man....she tried to kill a law enforcement officer with her vehicle resulting in the officer going the hospital and being treated for life threatening internal bleeding.
wow are you low IQ and brainwashed cultist
Some masked sockpuppet here is...
Don’t beat yourself up.
The video does not support that conclusion.
The videos from the driver’s side, esp from the rear, might almost support Ross’ guilt. But he was over on the right side of the vehicle, in the front of it, and those videos show Ross being hit by Good. And supported by video from Ross’ own phone, and his own body cam.
The again, anyone remember the names of the minions bushwhacked in unequal yet apposite reprisal force in past episodes of this same looter v looter soap opera? Name three.
Yesterday's shooters deserve absolute immunity on grounds of Mad Cow disease by Proxy, for having posed for selfies with Bovino.
Irrelevant retardation. Consistency is your best virtue.
SQRLY level stupid.
You expected different from RetardGPT?
Walz +10
RetardGPT is is working as intended.
You're wasting your time Robbie.
We have reached the hot stage of CW2.
Pick your side well.
Only for single, childless loser men. The rest of us will clean you up when you're done.
Pretti agrees.
Oh wait, you thought that this would happen in red states, didn't you?
As a Reasonista isn't he obligated to side with the Marxists? Seems the rest of the propagandists here have.
When things tip over and the soup’s on, there should be no mercy for the left.
In all the videos, notice the dozens of protesters on the side walk, not obstructing the arrest of a violent illegal immigrant, and not being engaged by the ICE agents in any way.
This looks like a bad shoot, but these people obstructing ICE arrests are terrorists. They know what they are doing and these outcomes are exactly what their puppet masters like Tim Walz want to happen. Don't be a useful idiot like Pretti or Good. Stay out of the street, don't block traffic, blow your stupid whistle, call ICE ghestapo, but stay the fuck away from them. You aren't going to de-arrest anybody. You are just going to be cannon fodder for marxist asshats.
What you wrote is anti-thetical to American values and freedom.
That would be true *ONLY-IF* [D]emocrats weren't pushing [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
[Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] is NOT an American value or freedom.
Of which you have ZERO knowledge-of praising Universal Healthcare.
Sullum +6
If the CBP were randomly executing 1000s, or rounding up citizens, or their directive came from an unelected monarch, the American way would be to resist with force.
These agents are working at the behest of a duly elected President and congress and are literally deporting illegals in accordance with laws we all had a say in getting passed through representative democracy. And 2 people died, both with Darwin awards (though neither HAD to die)
These things are just not in the same realm, and the more you and Walz gas up these wanna be revolutionaries into thinking they are living in Nazi germany, the more blood will be on YOUR hands.
You have spun the shock troops up into such a tizzy they cant discern reality anymore and are ready to burn shit to the ground. Your mess, everyone else is just cleaning it up the best they can
Oh... so it's all the libertarians' fault?
every individual retard is responsible for their own retard decisions.
Walz is responsible for more, because he is gassing them up
Who do you think the libertarians are in Mike’s post?
Dont interfere with police and do what they tell you. Thats all anyone needs to say.
If you want to fight tyranny though, have at it. And suffer the consequences.
Also sprach Christian National Socialism... for a while.
Information suggests it does not matter that Pretti was armed but only that he was protesting. And it seems plausible to me that when ICE agents surrounded him, they did so that no one could contradict their claims of "violent resistance." That they surround him and disarm him is not relevant. That they make it impossible for Pretti to surrender may possibly be a fact. However, I did not hear any commands that Pretti could had followed.
In my view, ICE had Pretti step into the same trap as Ms. Good had, to demonstrate to be resisting arrest and refusing to "surrender."
However, I find no sign from the video that Pretti was given any lawful requests to comply with.
In other words, to be protesting was sufficient for any claim by ICE to be resisting arrest if only ICE were to create an appearance of detainment. During that detainment, there does not seem to be any lawful request made that Pretti could had complied with. I find likely that ICE did a strip search of Pretti while in that huddle, thus explaining how we know Pretti had a legally carried a gun in the jurisdiction he was detained in.
At this point I would suggest doing more extensive analysis on available audio to determine if Pretti was being spoken to while being subjected to the huddle. For example, syncing up all audio to the same time and recording it together may make sounds more readily available to analyze.
Like Spooner said, lampooning the text of the GOP tax law: "Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands, and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done; that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. "
Pretti interposed himself between ICE and their suspect. There is no tradition of encouraging civilian volunteers to act sua sponte in such instances, so I assume they told him to gtfo.
Which he obviously didn't.
BITD, protesters would just go limp. Pretti didn't.
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"he did not approach law enforcement"
Blantant BS lie.
The video clearly shows Pretti walking up to the officers before the video goes down and bring back someone (the person under arrest?) when it comes back-up so why are you trying to LIE about it?
Is there something wrong with your vision?
They just keep trying to push the window back further and further on use of force against civilians and count on MAGAworld to support them. And it keeps working.
Sooner or later killing civilians merely for speaking out against the government will be acceptable to the musclehead conservatives. God help us then.
My heart aches for what our government has become.
Heaven-forbid the USA isn't bombarded by invaders! /s
You mean the American citizen they just gunned down? Or the other American citizen they gunned down? Or the various American citizens they are arresting for filming them (probably because they fear people seeing them gun down another American citizen)?
That is the problem isn't it.
You see American Law Enforcement (National Defenses) as invaders to your [D]emon-crappy [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire. And apparently only Citizens who road-block National Defense and blow whistles in their ears and throw rocks at them deserve that special Nazi badge that *entitles* them to get away with it all.
“Sooner or later killing civilians merely for speaking out against the government will be acceptable to the musclehead conservatives”
Hard to say, since that has never happened happened. Not like you guys assassinating Charlie Kirk for the same thing.
Your comment is rated Walz +10.
The available footage does not show every detail of what happened...
I'm starting to notice a pattern.
Yes, that if there isn’t clear and unequivocal visual evidence that a shooting wasn’t justified, the administration won’t hold anyone accountable.
It used to be that libertarians were skeptical about government power being used against its citizens. Now there’s a whole sub-category (referred to, internally, as the Mises Caucus) who cheer every violation of rights and declaration of unaccountability) by the present administration.
We can be skeptical about both government abuse of power and opposition narratives regarding (alleged) government abuse of power.
What we are witnessing in Minneapolis looks an awful lot like agitators engineering scenarios to provoke violent government response in order to foment anti-(Trump's)government sentiment.
Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on which side of the agenda one falls) technology has made video-capture of these events ubiquitous and readily available, making it harder and harder for the agitators to control the narrative.
“ What we are witnessing in Minneapolis looks an awful lot like agitators engineering scenarios to provoke violent government response in order to foment anti-(Trump's)government sentiment.”
You understand that that’s literally the logic of an abuser, right? “Look what you made me do!” says the violent one to the bleeding woman on the floor.
>The available footage does not show every detail of what happened
But you still decided to write an article based on incomplete information and use that to lay the blame firmly one one part over the other?
"But you still decided to write an article based on incomplete information and use that to lay the blame firmly one one part over the other?"
Isn't that what the president did when he charged the victim with 'domestic terrorism?'
OK? And? Both can be wrong.
But its ridiculous for Soave to simultaneously claim that the video is incomplete, a fair and impartial investigation needs to happen *and* that its clearly an unprovoked killing.
"claim that the video is incomplete"
No video is complete. They all begin somewhere and end somewhere and have one point of view.
"that its clearly an unprovoked killing."
That's what the available evidence indicates. What conclusion have you drawn from it?
The available evidence shows ~8 officers trying to restrain and disarm a resistant subject.
Did you think they were all there dancing with themselves or what?
The President has a long history of running his mouth and most definitely does not self identify as a “journalist”.
He's more a social media influencer than a journalist.
Yes, the expectation of truth from a President should be very low, right? We should assume they will baldly and unashamedly lie about facts and details? And, of course, baselessly smear victims?
You have a disturbingly tolerant view of lying from the President.
Absolutely! I mean... how do know when I politician is lying? Their lips are moving..
You have had a tolerant view of the President in the past - when it was a Democrat.
You’re definitely talking about someone else. I don’t care who the President is, lying to the public (knowingly and intentionally) is unacceptable.
The fact that you erroneously accuse me of supporting Democrats and go straight to a partisan worldview says nothing about me, but a lot about you.
“ But you still decided to write an article based on incomplete information and use that to lay the blame firmly one one part over the other?”
So if there isn’t the right angle (or any video), the assumption is that every use of force by the government is A-OK?
That is a disgustingly broad level of support for government force.
> the legal threshold at which lethal force can be justified is whether the officer who killed Pretti reasonably feared for his own safety. Only a careful, impartial investigation can determine that.
Really?
>claiming that Pretti had intended to murder law enforcement agents. There is no evidence of this—none whatsoever—which makes it difficult to avoid the conclusion that the administration is prepared to brazenly lie about what happened.
So . . . you have already completed that careful, impartial, investigation - based on a video that you admit is edited to not show the beginning of the encounter?
"So . . . you have already completed that careful, impartial, investigation"
Not necessary. There's a presumption of innocence until a court finds otherwise.
So you're assuming the ICE agents are innocent and thus Pretti is guilty? Or are you assuming Pretti is guilty?
" Or are you assuming Pretti is guilty?"
Guilty of what? If he had committed a crime, wouldn't he have been charged by the law enforcement officers? Isn't that their job?
Surely it couldn't have been impeding officers while in the line of duty and resisting arrest after that could it be?
Hard to say, since he violently resisted arrest and they were forced to shoot him before he could be charged with anything.
Walz +10 you dumb cunt.
Technically, formally arresting Pretti, after his death, would have been legally moot.
So you are judging the cop guilty?
You have the viewpoint backwards. What Pretti thought is completely irrelevant. What is important was what the officers saw, perceived, and believed. And that can be inferred by his starting their interaction with his phone in his hand, the use of non-lethal techniques and munitions, followed by the shouted “Gun”, followed immediately by the federal agents pulling their guns, and shooting him.
The relevant point of view is that of the Federal agent who yelled “Gun”.
>These are lies. They have no evidence that Pretti wanted to kill anyone. Even if evidence were unexpectedly to come out tomorrow that he was secretly a would-be assassin,
In other words - you don't know what evidence they have. You've just assumed a position and are looking for post-hoc justifications for it.
What's wrong with that assumption? Do you honestly believe that the goons are withholding secret evidence that shows the victim was perpetrating an act of terror?
We know that your kind will do nothing but lie and propagandize. As you are in no way honest.
I'll take that as a 'no.'
No.
But I do believe that if there were clear evidence showing Pretty was completely innocent of any action that could be reasonably interpreted as posing a threat to life of others that the Leftists would have posted it already - not the carefully edited video that cuts out the crucial moments before the shooting.
"But I do believe that if there were clear evidence showing Pretty was completely innocent of any action that could be reasonably interpreted as posing a threat to life of others that the Leftists would have posted it already "
I agree. And I agree with your implication that if the Rightists had the same evidence, they WOULDN'T have posted it. Posting such evidence would clearly put the agents in hot water legally and made a liar out of Trump and his minions. So, not posting it is the obvious path to take.
Ya, people dont post evidence that incriminates their side, news at 11.
Still no video from Good's wife, because 99% its a video about them bragging about how they are about to troll and obstruct ICE operations, gleefully, and would garner less public sympathy, making it clear there were grounds for arrest.
This shit isnt new
Democrats will NEVER tell the truth. Debate and discussion with them is a waste of time. They will only understand coercive force.
"the administration is prepared to brazenly lie about what happened"
It's the theory of the unitary executive in action.
So.... The Nations Invaders and their useful-idiots army wants Gun-Rights to ?defend? themselves from US Law Enforcement (National Defense) trying to remove them from someone else's nation they were never invited too?
It's funny how the left has a habit of cherishing the WRONG side of every debate. Maybe they'd like Gun-Rights for robbing the community bank too huh? Oh wait. Yeah; they already did that with those 'icky' people's ?free? sh*t legislation.
Gidaddaheah Robbie! Yew expect us to believe one of the Don's dog-shooting harridans would stoop to LYING?!
“ The available footage does not show every detail of what happened, but Pretti was holding a cell phone rather than his gun when the officers initiated contact and began wrestling him to the ground.”.
Pretty conclusive, showing the innocence of the federal (CBP) LEOs. If Pretti's gun was not initially visible, but was picked up later by the LEO’s (which is visible in multiple videos), after he had been shot, and after hearing the shouted “Gun”. Pretti had to have either drawn his gun, or let it fall out. Most likely drew it. Prior to the unexpected appearance of the gun, the officers had been utilizing non-deadly techniques. Pretti Then accelerated the confrontation from non-deadly to deadly. That was the switch that justified the use of deadly force by the Feds.
As I noted above, there is a (probably small) chance that Pretti’s gun was not drawn by him, but instead just fell out, but the prosecution would have to prove that happened, beyond a reasonable doubt, with a unanimous jury decision, based on what they could prove the officers knew or perceived (since the standard is the perception of defendants). Absent more evidence, that is not going to happen.
Ive seen angles that look like an agent clearly took the gun from his waistband without him drawing. Looks like a bad shoot to me. I think once gun was being yelled, he panic fired.
Still think it was dumb for him to go to protest in that manner, against law enforcement doing their jobs, with a gun. Wouldnt recommend. But I do think it was a bad shoot
From one of the videos, Pretti's gun is clearly printing *after* they have him stretched out with his arms contained. It's under his brown windbreaker like thing. Then the agent pulls it from the holster, turns away and around the second step a shot is heard.
I do not see smoke or fire from Pretti's weapon at the sound of the shot.
Multiple NYPD cops shot Amadou Diallo dead bc they thought the cell phone in his hand was a gun. They were found not guilt of murder 2 during trial in Albany.
With the sequence of events concerning Pretti's gun so disputed, for any closure on this tragedy, it will have to be investigated by federal, state and local officials. Furthermore, if public safety is the objective, ICE must stand down from Minneapolis at this point in time.
Robby Soave,
Even if you have the right to carry, it's not very wise to bring a weapon to a protest where you are intending on confronting any law enforcement that is armed and has a degree of be protected such as qualified immunity.
Factor in the extra clips and I start to seriously doubt that Alex Pretti was the casual observer that you pretend he is.
I also don't buy the narratives coming from DHS or the State of Minnesota and City of Minneapolis. My question is were are the Minneapolis police? Crowd control are the duty and responsibility of the City police, not ICE enforcement.
ICE needing to remove trash dumpsters and vehicles from the road while protestors are attempting to prevent the removal of these items is an indictment of the Minneapolis police and the complete lack of cooperation.
I would go further that the Minneapolis police, Mayor of Minneapolis and the Governor of Minnesota are inciting and encouraging the protestors.
The Governor of Minnesota has a motive to incite riots and change the subject away from the massive corruption scandal that eventually caught national news that demonstrates a colossal failure of the Tim Walz regime.
The Minneapolis police are beaten down and diminished after the "Peaceful" George Floyd protest and the completely leftist Minneapolis City council's de-fund the police agenda.
The Mayor Jacob Frey narrowly won reelection against a Somali candidate and is attempting to bolster his street cred with the heavily leftist population.
Factor in the extra clips and I start to seriously doubt that Alex Pretti was the casual observer that you pretend he is.
The gun he was carrying is also a bit Gucci and a bit heavy for EDC. It doesn't smack of someone who was carrying while going to the grocery store and the post office and just happens to have gotten caught up in ICE action. It smacks of someone who grabbed his home defense or range gun and went to an ICE protest.
Reason's already coined the term 'stochastic martyr'. These people aren't just *coincidentally* turning up in these places.
We already had a CHAZ. They're trying to make a city or state-sized CHAZ occupied by foreign nationals. Even if it's unwittingly, that's what they're doing.
Your personal preferences are not indicative of intent or anything else. My preferred, personal EDC is a first-generation Kimber, full-sized 1911, not a compact. Carrying that when running errands is typical.
Are you trying to convince me or anyone that you carry a full-sized Kimber 1911 and 60 rounds with you when you go to Starbucks or to pick up groceries? When you go to work in the ICU as a nurse? Or are you just being retarded?
I know big words are a problem for people like you, but "stochastic" as in "stochastic martyr" is a statistical term. That means despite *your* personal retardations and my preferences, the laws of averages still apply. The gun wasn't a standard issue glock or sig and it wasn't a cheap or easy to conceal Taurus or shield.
And, again, despite what would be self-embarrassing retardation if you had any shame, the statistics and assertions derived from them are proving out. He wasn't some rando who just happened to be out for coffee. He was going to intervene in the actions and was known to be to the point that his parents told him not to. He had previously been in an altercation with ICE where he either didn't have the weapon on him or didn't have it taken from him.
Just because you don't like facts doesn't make them wrong. Similarly, just because you don't like the obvious and relatively impartial conclusions drawn from them (I never said he couldn't pick up his home weapon and legally carry it to wherever he went) doesn't make them wrong either.
You consistently prove yourself to be an abjectly ignorant dumbass willing to make shit up in order to disagree with plain objective facts, I don't know why you think people would believe you now.
Carrying extra
clipsmagazines is not indicative of nefarious intent.Depending on where I'm carrying, I often carry spare magazines. (Of course, that is, in part, due to personal firearm preference that has an 8 round capacity.)
No you don't. You'll lie to yourself and everyone else openly to shape any narrative you want.
Even when people state objective facts like that $2,000 for a custom Sig is not the average sale price of a CCW or a standard issue EDC sidearm, you have to be retarded.
Frey is in tight with the Hawiye clan of Somalis
Just for some clarity;
The number of deaths as the result of the protests in Iran being put down is on the order of 4600. Estimates are as high as 10,000 but nobody knows for sure. No one knows for sure because there's an internet blackout and the country was and is already a fairly totalitarian regime. It is known that security forces were using fully automatic weapons. It is known that a majority of these people weren't armed. Certainly not in a manner that was peer-level with the faces they forced.
This is what real Gestapo-esque totalitarianism looks like. Not one guy who just happened to show up at an ICE action in broad daylight to stop and play in traffic.
It is well known in intelligence circles that China and even Iran are exploiting incidents like these. In a previous age, if you wanted to disrupt an adversarial nation's shipping or domestic policing, you had to fire a missile or put boots on the ground like in Ukraine. In the modern age, you can convince people to do it themselves and they will glue themselves to freighters and sit in the middle of the street, armed, until someone removes them.
As indicated, these people are establishing and defending an autonomous zone in favor of foreing nationals and in defense of a morally bankrupt politician (who almost became VP) whether they're aware of what they're doing or whether it's their intention or not. This isn't the first time this has happened. It happened in Seattle, obviously, but it also happened in Charlottesville.
These aren't private citizens quietly going about their day(s), these are people being set against their peers and fellow countrymen. For all the cries about Trump manipulating Jan. 6th... for all the cries about the suppression of free speech... for all the cries about threats to Western or free civilization, the silence that goes with this being so unstated, unrecognized, and uncriticized is deafening.
All very well said
We have a perfect example of what an authoritarian 'gestapo' would look like, in Iran, right now. Yet we have people pants shitting over "the nazis are here!" when 2 people who actively placed themselves between LEO and their objective got killed.
These people are simultaneously so soft, so cushioned, and so weak, that they think literally any laws being enforced is Nazi shit. Everyone is over their shit
These people are fucking stupid and clearly have no idea what the Nazis or the Gestapo actually did. It is shameful and an insult to the actual victims of the 3rd Reich to compare it to ICE.
They're scaling up, give them time. Of course, when they've caught all the illegals, and then the perverts and the leftists, there won't be so many left when they come for the Libertarians.
Iran International estimates 36,500 or more civilians killed by the regime.
With ICE Watch and other agitators, it certainly seems like they are engineering scenarios to provoke violent responses by government agents that the agitators can spin into narratives fomenting anti-Trump'sGovernment sentiment.
Except for the old guy who's door was kicked in and they drug him out into the street in his underwear and hauled him away even though he was a citizen.
Has anyone thought for a moment that he carries because he wants to get home *after* the protest? It's not just the actual agents that are involved, there are also their friends in the "Proud Boy Community" to contend with after the protest.
There is no point in the several videos I've seen where it clear that he is activley resisting. ICE comes to *him* after shoving the woman, and then shoves *him*. Then there is a dog pile and they see that he is printing when you stretch the back of his jacket tight, and one guy takes Pretti's gun from the holster, gets two steps away and from somewhere a shot is fired, and ICE starts shooting.
Some are claiming negligent discharge from the confiscated weapon, but I don't see smoke or fire from it when the first shot happens.
Cops are trained to say "stop resisting" for insurance purposes. It was an old known trick for cops to carry a saftey pin and cup iot open when grabbing an elbow, to get a visible reaction as evidence of "resitance" when the arrestee has an automatic jerking reaction to getting pricked.
I don't see him actively resisting. I see a dog pile shouting at him, and one agent pounding him on the head with the bear spray canister.
For a bunch of supposed Libertarians, I'm seeing a lot of excuses and victim blaming. If only he didn't wear such a short skirt, they wouldn't have gang raped him...
There are no 'friends in the Proud Boy community' - that's you hallucinating things.
He might have to worry about Somali gangs though.
In Alaska, we classify as fifth-degree misconduct involving weapons someone having a deadly weapon concealed on his or her person, and when contacted by a peace officer, failing to immediately inform the officer of the possession, or failing to allow the officer to secure the weapon or cooperate with the officer in doing this. Alaska Statute 11.61.220(a)(1).
I am sure some people here would say that this is unconstitutional, but Mr. Pretti ought to have told the officers that he had a gun for which he had a concealed carry permit.
Pretti was committing a felony as part of an organized conspiracy to interfere with law enforcement operations, which is what he was doing there. He wasn't just "directing traffic" or being a "legal observer" which means nothing. His gun permit did not allow him to carry during the commission of a felony.