America's Politicized Holiday Dinner
The fight over dietary guidelines is just part of a broader trend: Government at every level wants a say in what Americans eat.
In recent weeks, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised that the forthcoming revised U.S. Dietary Guidelines—spearheaded by his agency alongside the Department of Agriculture—will be released in December. As the deadline approaches, holiday hosts could be feeling understandably queasy about how thoroughly food policy now intrudes on what we serve and how we eat.
The dietary guidelines are revised every five years, and they've seen their share of controversy. In the past few decades, the federal government scrapped the infamous food pyramid (which allegedly could be making a return) and has notoriously issued poor dietary advice on more than one occasion. In the 1980s, the federal government urged Americans to shift away from saturated fats and meat and toward carbs. Under the food pyramid—unveiled in 1992—Americans were further encouraged to eat less animal fats and consume copious amounts of bread and cereal. Americans did not get healthier, and obesity rates skyrocketed.
"It's not as if we're suddenly eating a lot of lentils and kale," Yale School of Medicine's David Katz told the Huffington Post back in 2017. "We replaced the fat with low-fat junk food."
Enter RFK Jr., who argues that America's food system is corrupt and "poisoning" Americans with hyper-processed additives. He advocates for increased saturated fat consumption—even recommending turkey deep-fried in beef tallow.
RFK Jr. has pledged that the new release will be only four to six pages long, as opposed to previous iterations that have run hundreds of pages—overlooking the fact that the current version includes a four-page consumer brochure alongside the full report. The collective backlash is already forming as we head into the holiday season, with one nutritionist predicting "substantial chaos." Progressives can't decide how to handle RFK Jr.'s approach—some of which they agree with, despite still largely opposing him.
All levels of American government are increasingly elbowing their way into a seat at our dinner tables. During his mayoral candidacy, New York City mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani argued for government-run grocery stores as an answer to food insecurity and affordability.
Beyond the economic folly of such an idea, government-run grocery stores would only further politicize food. A government that operates a grocery store is also a government that decides what food to stock on the shelves.
While urban progressives might feel comfortable letting the Mamdanis of the world make those decisions, would they feel the same about RFK Jr. or a future similar bureaucrat calling the shots on what Americans can eat?
In the past year, New York City progressives have also been busy pushing a bevy of other food-related policy initiatives. A recently introduced city council bill would require all restaurants in the city to add warnings to high-salt and high-sugar foods on their menus. This mandate has already been in place for larger chain restaurants in the city for years, despite scant evidence that such warnings change what anyone orders.
Red states have seen their share of politicized food controversy. Various parts of the Florida government are unable to decide whether they advise for or against raw milk. Florida, Texas, Alabama, and North Carolina, among other states, are also attempting to ban lab-grown meat products from being available to residents.
Several years ago, celebrity chef José Andrés declared: "Some of life's greatest bridges are built over simmering pots and shared plates…we open possibilities for understanding that transcend political divides." In 2025, it seems even a shared plate can't escape the reach of politics.
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Wingnuts went ballistic when Michelle Obama planted a vegetable garden at the White House. Now Big Government MAGA-tards are adding a ballroom and regulating everything that goes into a persons body.
Care to explain what exactly happened to your original SPB account?
Troll attempts from a known pedophile and Georgia klansman don't land as hard as you wish they did, Shrike.
It's not big government when my side does it.
Now? When were MAGAts any different?
With 40,000,000 people in this country getting SNAP the government has a right to tell you what you should eat. Don't like it then buy your own food
That reasoning may allow the government to tell you what you can spend that SNAP money on but that's rather a long way away from giving bad advice on what the rest of us buy at the supermarket.
Snap recipients have a higher rate of obisity than non snap
EBT of TikTok did more to turn people against EBT than anything else could have.
Shopping carts of junk food, pre-made food, and expensive meats.
Oh no!!! Bad advice how horrible. Would you prefer that over hectoring lectures or actual dietary bans? Because the last two are what you get with progressive Leftists.
The entire "dignity of welfare" bullshit needs to end. You shouldn't be comfortable if dependent on handouts.
You want the recipients hungry, restive and well armed? Careful what you wish for.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ban-on-public-prayer-among-measures-in-latest-quebec-secularism-bill/vi-AA1R9SJW?cvid=692aaa316b844a2c804405bf001b8696&ocid=hpmsn
Ban on jihadist public prayer in Quebec. What do you Peanuts think about this?
1) not a ban on jihadist prayer in public places, its a ban on any form of prayer in public places
2) even if it were a ban on just for jihadist prayer, it would be bad. Enforced secularism is just as retarded as enforced religion.
A ban on islamist is fundamental to preserving western culture. There is no chance muslims will ever be able to integrate. Their political/religious beliefs make it impossible for them to ever advance beyond savagry
The idea was to make the ban all inclusive, but the motivation was to prevent Quebec city and Montreal to turn like London UK with streets blocked to allow dense Muslim neighborhoods to have public communal prayer 5 times a day. It was an anticipatory measure.
But they should focus more on corruption... it's the real urgency...
Unsurprising. Communism cannot coexist with openly practiced religion. Tightly controlled state churches is the most they dare tolerate.
I think we ought to hold a Eucharistic procession through the streets of Montreal, with the Knights of Columbus (excuse me, Chevaliers de Colombe) serving as bodyguards ready to mix it up with the gendermereie.
You evangelical atheists are everything you claim that other religions are, Shrike.
Prayer is that superstition whereby victims petition invisible pals for special favors?
**celebrity chef José Andrés declared: "Some of life's greatest bridges are built over simmering pots and shared plates…we open possibilities for understanding that transcend political divides."**
Awww. That's nice. You know what else would help with political divides? Not claiming the following about Israel after they were invidaded and had their countrymen kidnapped, raped and murdered:
-Andres accused Israel of "indiscriminate killing" and a "war against humanity itself".
-He said Israel "needs to stop killing civilians and aid workers, and stop using food as a weapon".
-He also claimed the WCK workers Israel graciously allowed to be in Gaza during a war were "targeted deliberately nonstop until everybody was dead".
But I guess as long as he did it over a nice pan of paella, right? Fuck that fat dago, and fuck you for citing him as some sort of unifier.
Are you that fucking dumb? Israel sent a missile right into the roof of a WCK van, killing 6 aid workers, *after* WCK had notified Israel about the van and Israel had okayed it. But I suppose that was just an accident.
You're right, genius. Those conniving, rat-like Israelis go way out of their way to kill innocents all the time. Especially if they're high profile civilians sent there by a group of Jew haters. Because they definitely don't know that some of the right and all of the left are out to frame everything they do as evil.
I bet you think Pat Tillman's death was intentional, too. No wonder everyone here hates you.
" Those conniving, rat-like Israelis go way out of their way to kill innocents all the time."
They are not innocents. They are Palestinians or those like the WCK seeking to aid them.
It helps if somebody could be seen as an authority on something like this. Unfortunately the vast majority of sources on diet and nutrition are badly corrupted by undisclosed interests. The Government is indeed one such corrupted source, but hardly the only one. Food gets politicized plenty without its help.
The Government's food pyramid is a propagandic disaster, but it's RDAs of various vitamins and minerals isn't. Also their public database on the nutritional components of common foods was invaluable when I was dieting.
If you feed your kids pork chops, mashed potatoes and green beans, some independent nutrition sources will demand you get sent to The Hague (though the offending food will often change). The government would generally say, "yeah, that'll do."
It would indeed help if somebody could be seen as an authority on things like this. Unfortunately, there is a notable lack of angels coming down from on high to tell us all who that designated authority should be.
That leaves judgement - which either depends on someone in authority to decide who the nutrition authority is which merely moves the problem rather than solving it OR depends on individual research and decision making, invalidating the need for an authority. The latter is my preferred answer.
"It would indeed help if somebody could be seen as an authority on things like this. "
There are plenty of authorities. They just disagree with each other. Let's take body builders for example. They take exercise, diet, nutrition and health very seriously. Some are almost completely carnivorous, others are vegan. Fundamental disagreement. Maybe because our food culture is more dependent on ethical and social considerations than any hard science.
Take the reaction here to a diet of meal worms replacing beef. The science is rock solid, but the notion is rejected on purely emotional grounds.
That's why most public policy decisions cannot be based on science. Science can't answer non-scientific questions. It can merely advise from the scientific point of view.
"That's why most public policy decisions cannot be based on science."
Or Economics, a "social science" even less scientific than real sciences like medicine or nutrition.
Medicine is not a science.
Medicine has a better claim to science than Economics, Sociology, Criminology, or any other social science. Medicine is experimental, and based on observation and measurement for a start. Economics is a bunch of just-so stories without evidence.
Medicine is experimental, and based on observation and measurement
If only that were true.
It is true. The problem is that these experiments are not repeatable. Once the subject has undergone the experiment, they are no longer naive as they initially were. Any attempt to repeat the experiment will require new subjects. Even the harder sciences are subject to this limitation. An experiment on one photon, for example, also can't be repeated, and a new experiment will have to use a different photon.
As history has demonstrated over and over and over and over again.
The [WE] Identify-as *special* rulers.
Government Tyranny run wild.
Chaotic and production-less economy.
Are the predictable results of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] because 'Guns' don't make sh*t.
And the unshaken belief that they will; will undoubtedly lead to exactly what we're seeing today.
holiday hosts could be feeling understandably queasy about how thoroughly food policy now intrudes on what we serve and how we eat.
This is the most clown world thing you've ever said.
They're guidelines, not orders. Eat whatever you want to eat, and please do it more often if only to keep words from ever coming out of your mouth you stupid gimp.
I don't think the author is a stupid gimp. Food policy is more about what we grow, what we encourage to be grown through subsidies etc, and what isn't. This impacts on what makes it to the market and what we buy and eat.
Exactly
The guidelines become orders in the case of many institutions, like schools, hospitals and nursing homes. When people don't have a choice, the government makes the choices for them.
Dogs have been tested on their magic nose performance. We all know by now dogs have an accuracy in detecting specific odors such as those emitted by illegal drugs. Further, dogs also perform well at detecting certain kinds of cancers, as disease often modify smell. Asians have known this for a very long time.
But what about us, here, now in time.
How did we come to have such poor instincts guiding us through our smell to perceive what is good or not for our own body. We've denatured ourselves. Apparently our microbiome orients us in our appetites, and the microbiome evolves around what we consume. Meaning bacteria decides what they want to eat... so maybe Kennedy should employ a few parasites as consultants.
Dog have been tested on their capacity to detect lacking micro-nutrients such as specific amino acids in their diets. Healthy dogs naturally. Even dogs become food neurotic under bad diets. Dogs have been able to associate food with amino acids they were deprived purposefully in their diet.
Nowadays North Americans are mostly good at smelling sugary stuff and tasting salt.
The recommendations coming from the USDA in terms of foods are Guidance... not obligations. If government pays for your health, I think it can reasonably participate in the discussion concerning nutrition...
Lots of literature and raw data knowledge produced by the USDA is very informative and useful. Yet, I share Kennedy's point concerning the mistake of an excessive rate of starchy diet made of cereal grain crops.
Survival Tip:
If you're lost in the wilderness with your dog and your pig. Eating the food that your dog rustles up could kill you. Stick to what the pig eats.
Eat the dog first.
Eating my dog would not be the first thing I'd do if I were lost in the woods. Rather, I'd look for a road or path to follow, assuming it would lead to a way out.
Damn, you move the goalposts even when you're joking.
Sometimes moving the goalposts is the only wise decision. It's a lot easier to move the goalposts (looking for a path) than to build an entirely new stadium (eating your dog).
Orwellian food cranks.
Well at least no one is dropping turkeys out of helicopters