Trump, an Avowed Second Amendment Champion, Defends a Gun Ban With 'No Historical Justification'
His administration is urging the Supreme Court to uphold a prosecution for violating a federal law that bars illegal drug users from owning firearms.
A few weeks after taking office, President Donald Trump called the Second Amendment "an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty," declaring that "the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed." But in a case that the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear, the Trump administration is urging the justices to uphold one of the federal government's most constitutionally dubious restrictions on that right.
Since 1968, Congress has prohibited gun possession by illegal drug users, a provision that affects millions of peaceful Americans who pose no plausible threat to public safety. That gun ban is illogical, unjust, and inconsistent with "this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation," meaning it fails the constitutional test that the Supreme Court established in 2022.
Under federal law, it is a felony, punishable by up to 15 years in prison, for an "unlawful user" of "any controlled substance" to receive or possess a firearm. As I explain in my new book Beyond Control, that category encompasses many people with no history of violence, including cannabis consumers in states that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use.
Judging from survey data, something like 20 million Americans, mostly marijuana users, are violating this law right now. In addition to illegal gun possession, they can be charged with three related felonies, which means they theoretically could face nearly half a century behind bars, even if they never handle firearms while intoxicated.
Despite its avowed devotion to the Second Amendment, the Trump administration sees nothing wrong with that policy. It wants the Supreme Court to overrule a 2024 decision in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit found "no historical justification for disarming a sober citizen not presently under an impairing influence."
Trump is taking the same position as Joe Biden, whose administration doggedly defended this gun ban against challenges by marijuana users. Biden even signed legislation that increased the potential penalties for drug users who obtain firearms.
Biden seemed to view that offense as a grave crime that merits stiff punishment. But he made an exception for his son, issuing a hypocritical pardon that shielded Hunter Biden from the penalties faced by defendants who are not lucky enough to have a father in the White House.
The Biden administration argued that disarming drug users had historical precedent, citing early laws against publicly carrying or firing guns while intoxicated. But as the 5th Circuit and other courts have recognized, those narrowly targeted laws are not "relevantly similar" to a categorical ban that applies in all settings and circumstances.
The Trump administration's Supreme Court petition relies on a different, equally problematic analogy: "founding-era restrictions on habitual drunkards," who could be confined to workhouses as "vagrants." But unlike the ban that the government is defending, those restrictions required a judicial determination and did not involve the right to arms.
Another important distinction: The vagrancy laws applied only to a subcategory of alcohol consumers, not to drinkers in general. By invoking them, the government conflates occasional pot smokers with "habitual drunkards."
The government's petition glides over the fact that there was no such thing as an "unlawful consumer" of a "controlled substance" until the 20th century. When the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791 and when the 14th Amendment made it binding on the states in 1868, people could legally consume currently prohibited drugs without a medical prescription.
In the 19th century, drugs such as opium, cannabis, and cocaine were widely consumed in patent medicines that could be readily obtained over the counter or by mail. It seems highly doubtful that Americans of that era would have thought eschewing such products should be a condition for exercising the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
The Trump administration, in short, will have a hard time meeting the historical test that the Supreme Court has said gun control laws must pass. The question is whether the justices will let pharmacological prejudices override that test.
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He also backed the bump stock ban, I believe, or binary triggers or something, during his first term, and he's also enforcing the out of state purchase ban.
He's Trump. He has no principles. People trust him at their peril.
Again, we need an upcheck system.
At the end of the day, Trump has no principles. He's simply a populist. In no way is he a conservative, and any hope that he might actually be libertarian in his actions has long since been dashed.
Yeah, at the end of the day he has no principles, that's been clear from the start.
And the he'll of it is, lacking principles makes him better on the 2nd amendment than any Republican President since Reagan, because he doesn't have gun controller principles driving him to push gun control even if it pisses off his own base. Like the Bushes did.
It's up to us to give him feedback about what will piss us off.
Reagan also shit on gun owners, one of several reasons I don't genuflect at the altar of St. Ronnie. FOPA, anyone?
This feels a bit like "Trump was responsible for the lockdowns too!"
He also backed the bump stock ban
True.
or binary triggers or something
False and fuck you for the interpetation. The Biden Administration ordered the reclassification of some FRTs as machine guns. Rare Breed Triggers was specifically harmed, sued, and had the case dismissed. Texas sued Garland over the arbitrary procedures and won. The Trump Administration settled, allowing Rare Breed to sell the triggers as long as they didn't develop a trigger for pistols and didn't use their patents to threaten firearm safety technologies. Both contingencies being arguably or relatively moot points.
he's also enforcing the out of state purchase ban.
I'm gonna need a cite on this. I don't disagree on the bump stock ban, and certainly agree that regarding sales, ironically, he's nowhere near the salesman that Obama or Biden was, but I'm going to need to see some exceptional explanation beyond "He's enforcing the law", especially cached in FUD and/or made up bullshit, before I'd say he's even close to as bad as either of his Democratic processors.
Yes, he's not Brandon Herrera or Matt Larosiere, but he's a 90s-era New York Democrat. We knew he wouldn't be a Massie-style "End the gAyTF" going in. And, again and even beyond the usual urban democrat style, compared to AOC, Bloomberg, Hochul, Newsom, O'Rourke, Waltz, Harris, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Pritzker, etc. he's far more status quo libertarian or republican/gun friendly than they are.
Even Reagan oversaw gun control in his era and it's objectively considered a black mark on his legacy by his Conservative/Republican supporters. Trump has been far less meddlesome and restrictive than that.
Trump has been far less meddlesome and restrictive than that.
Even after being shot, dumbass.
He may be an absolute monster of a drug warrior, but as far as gun control goes he's once again easily better than half his peers and probably better than well more than half for nearly the last 50 yrs.
First, Trump is Trump; which is saying he is a narcissistic megalomaniac who typically wields/is a blunt instrument that makes the proverbial bull in the China shop look like a well behaved Pomeranian. The guy has his faults and is far from perfect, but I am hopeful that his last term precedes a Vance presidency. The Democrats continue to go off the rails toward racialism and stopped being a legitimate option during their last administration.
And we already knew Bondi would make a shitty AG, especially where the 2A is concerned.
He is also not Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, and I will take him over those harridans who would be an actual threat to liberty any day. Points for quickly securing the Southern border what Biden would not do, assuming he was even aware of the problem, and holding Europe responsible for paying for their own defense.
First: Why did you split my quote in half and praise half and attack half? The second half was part of the same "or" clause.
He also backed the bump stock ban, I believe, or binary triggers or something
Mendacious twat.
As for backing the out of state purchase ban, I didn't go back far enough in their archives to find it, but I did find this one which is about federal gun control in general and short-barrels in particular. They or some other gun news site had articles about someone suing to overturn the requirement to ship out-of-state guns back to an FFL in your home state in order to buy them, and the DoJ defending the law.
https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/the-trump-administration-is-perfectly-fine-with-keeping-federal-gun-control-laws-in-place/
ETA: Just because he's better than the alternatives is no reason to pretend he's perfect.
Why did you split my quote in half and praise half and attack half? The second half was part of the same "or" clause.
Learn second grade English, retard. First, 'Or' is a conjunction used to join two or more separate clauses in a single sentence. It's definitively not one clause if it has an 'or' in it, even if it could be treated as one. Second, logically, there is a concept of 'inclusive' vs. 'exclusive or'. SGT is stupid 'or' tricky could mean someone who is smart *and* tricky couldn't possibly be SGT or it could mean someone who's just stupid 'or' just straightforward could be SGT. Third, "Bumpstock ban or... or something" as a whole statement isn't even a complete thought, let alone an addressable one. You don't get to verbally defecate in public and force others others to clean it up after you or step over it and then complain when they don't do so to your liking. Clean your own shit up.
someone suing to overturn the requirement to ship out-of-state guns back to an FFL in your home state in order to buy them, and the DoJ defending the law
Right. As I've pointed out before, this would be selective inversion of FFnC, which could/would carry lots of implications outside firearm transfers. He made no promises in this regard and, as I linked above, is better than the Republicans and Neocons who participated in creating and enacting them.
ETA: Just because he's better than the alternatives is no reason to pretend he's perfect.
Case in point: not stupid *or* tricky. Just stupid. Straightforward stupid.
Learn second grade English, retard.
Yes, please do. You show more idiocy every post.
Me: "He supports gun control. It was X, or maybe Y."
Idiot: "X was great. Y is stupid. Your premise that he supports gun control is stupid."
Wotta genius.
Ctrl+f 'great': 1 result.
And, once again, Brady was a Republican, Reagan, who signed both the Mulford Act and the Hughes Amendment was Republican, William Ruger, the firearms CEO who wrote every congresscritter a letter begging for 10 rd. magazine limits was a Republican, the Congress that wrote and approved the Bump Stock ban was majority Republican.
Trump never claimed to be more Republican or Conservative than any of them and *even with* the bump stock ban, he took and/or (that's inclusive) kept fewer guns out of people's hands by law than any of them. And that doesn't verge on the Schumers, Pritzkers, Crime Bill Bidens, "They gettin' shot" Harrises...
You premise that he supports gun control is stupid. Just like every other leftist TDS-sufferer who is heartbroken that he's not treading on orphans every time he walks and gassing Jews with every breath he takes. Just stupid. Straightforward stupid.
That Donnie supports gun control, at least when he thinks it's expedient, isn't a "premise" it's proven fact. You and everyone else can fuck all the way off with your TDS bullshit. The idea that any criticism of Trump can only be the result of some baseless and irrational hatred got old by 2016 at the latest.
Another one, fresh off the web.
https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/nfa/trump-doj-argues-nfa-is-a-modest-restriction-on-gun-owners-silencers-are-nonessential-accessories/
How many times does Trump have to lie for people to get it in their heads that Trump lies ? He isn't even pretending anymore.
As many as Biden?
It's a feature, not a bug. If Trump was serious about half the stuff he says, he'd be dangerous (or more dangerous).
"But Biden! Biden!Biden!Biden!Biden!Biden!"
Give it a damn rest. The big mean Biden is gone and can't hurt you any more.
I didn't say anything about Biden.
What do you mean 'out of state purchase ban'?
That has been law since 1968. It just means that if you want to buy a gun across state lines it has to go through an FFL.
Correct. Donnie isn't a reliable ally to anyone, much less gun owners, no matter how much the NRA endorses him. Then again it's not like the NRA has done much to advance gun rights either. In every major 2A case in recent memory, they only jumped on the bandwagon after other organizations had done the heavy lifting and they were starting to look like sure winners.
“Smoke weed every day.”
As I've said before - there's room for reasonable compromise.
These druggie scumbags are criminals who breached the trust of the general public. Yea, sure - they did their time. But that's their criminal penalty. It's not a reset button on them being criminal scumbags that magically makes them law-abiding upstanding citizens.
If they want their guns back, then they need to compensate for the trust they obliterated. Wire them up with biometrics that detects any drug use, require that any prescription drug use be administered in-patient (meaning, instead of a bottle of pills to take when you want, you get to go to the clinic every eight hours for your dose), and mandatory presentation for a daily drug test.
You want a gun that bad, then make a daily showing that you can be trusted by proving that you're no longer a recreational user.
That's fair. That's a fair tradeoff. You get your gun ownership rights restored, but the price is that you never get to use drugs recreationally ever again. And you get to spend the rest of your life proving it, so long as you have a firearm. (And if you breach that trust on top of it - jail for life. No sentence reductions, no early parole.)
And it's a double-bonus, as a solid FAFO warning to anyone who contemplates recreational drug use, about the price they'll pay for breaching that public trust that expects you not to be a degenerate druggie.
Li'l moral know-it-all, aren't you?
You... don't think morality is worth knowing?
Of course you don't, you're an anarchist after all.
Your "morality" is evil if it involves infringement of individual rights. More people have been murdered, more evil has been done, in the name of the good than for any other cause in history.
Your "morality" is evil if it involves infringement of individual rights.
OK, what do you think are individual rights?
Is health care one of them? Or housing? I ask this specifically because I need to know if you're a rational person who can be taken seriously.
Individual rights: One has a right to one's person and one's property and to do as one pleases on the very important condition that one respects these same rights of others.
One has a right to seek health care and housing. No one has any obligation to provide it for free.
Voluntary drug use or sales are not an infringement. Unless one is infringing on the liberty or person or property of others, which mere drug use or sales do not, one has the right to commit those actions.
Oh, interesting - sorry, I didn't take you for a Christian. My apologies.
Well, that being said, it's hard to figure how you reconcile drug use/sales with your/our Christian ideology which emphasizes sobriety, self-control, and self-respect - all of which the recreational drug market runs against. It also condemns it as an actual harm on a social level, in its destructive effects on family, community, and nation. The rot never stays with the user. Its spreads, bringing with it ruin all around. Including on the rights of others.
Any good luck at the drugged out zombies infesting the sidewalks of most blue cities can attest to that.
Voluntary drug use or sales are not an infringement.
Neither is distributing secretly captured nude photos of your wife and daughter. Doesn't harm them bodily, doesn't take away any of their rightfully-earned property. It's just "mere" photos. One has the right to commit those actions. Or, wait, no, that is an infringement because we recognize the grossly wrongful nature of such an act.
The same way we do recreational drug use.
Prohibition has done greater harm to society than drugs ever had. But keep right on preaching, you self-righteous asshole.
Actually, false-righteous.
Those photos ARE the property of the wife or daughter. They are the subjects of the photos. They had a reasonable expectation of privacy on private property. They were not on public property. One does not have a right to take their photos without their consent on their property or on property on which they've been led to believe they have reasonable expectation of privacy. That's what makes it non-consensual - they entered and stayed on the property with expectation of privacy that was secretly denied without their consent. That's what makes it wrong, violating their rightful privacy and rightful property rights, which is part of their individual rights.
Yeah, it is worth knowing. But, you do not know it.
Of course I do. I'm not the one advocating personal and social decay.
You are.
Violation of individual rights of others is social decay. Prohibition causes social decay. The homicide rate was cut in half after the end of alcohol prohibition, look it up. If the drugs are legalized, likely we'd experience similar reductions in homicide rates and social decay.
As for personal decay, that's each person's personal business, not mine, not yours, not the government's.
Your horseshit morality certainly isn't worth knowing.
Maybe your FAFO warning could be added to all video games, like William S. Sessions did with the "Winners Don't Use Drugs" campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don't_Use_Drugs
The new slogan could be "Gun owners that use weed get jail for life without the possibility of parole".
Well, it'd only apply to a repeat offender who surrendered his 2A rights, but we could tweak your slogan.
And neither the angels in Heaven above
Nor the demons down under the sea
Can ever dissever my hand from my guns
Or my beautiful cannabis weed;
Libertarians for banning guns for people who committed victimless crimes. Because it's good when Trump does it.
It's not a victimless crime. This is a flat out lie and you know it.
I can grow my own herbs in my state legally...and never need to involve anyone else. No sales, no dealers, no bs and no drama.
The only person I have to worry about is psychotic authoritarian busy-bodies like you trying to convince legislators into codifying your insane punishment fetishes into law.
Whatcha doing on Reason's comment board again? I don't think you understand neither liberty from govt or personal autonomy.
I can grow my own herbs in my state legally...and never need to involve anyone else.
OK, I'm with you windy. Let's build on that. I will make reasonable compromises on the condition that this is an absolute requirement of any recreational drug user. They have to go out into nature, find naturally growing seeds on public lands, harvest them, cultivate them, and use the end product in cloistered conditions. No involvement of anyone else. I can live with that. That's fair.
They still don't get guns if they're drug criminals continuing to use, but as far as recreational production/usage goes - I'm willing to concede the point so long as it's 100% self-contained. Not 99%, not 99.5%. 100%.
Deal?
Your idea of "reasonable" is just as stupid as all your other ideas. "Do exactly what I demand, or else!"
Why many commenters, very much including AT, come here is one of the great mysteries of the universe. AT only supports the freedom to live on his batshit insane terms and wouldn't recognize an actual libertarian principle if it walked up and bit them in the ass.
Yeah, it is. Exactly who is an actual victim, not a contrived victimhood? You contriving victimhood is a flat out lie and YOU know it.
How many druggies struggling with impulse control should a normal person have to endure to cross a city block?
If your answer is greater than zero, you're wrong.
Infinite. Unless they bar your way or threaten a physical assault or commit any infringement upon your individual rights, it's your moral obligation to endure it. There are plenty of unpleasant things, even disgusting things, we have a moral obligation to endure unless our individual rights are infringed. Unless individual rights are infringed, no use of force is morally justified. You may not like it, but you know I'm right. Individual rights are moral absolutes. Your disgust with the druggies and sense of moral revulsion in the absence of any infringement upon individual rights are only feelings, not necessarily moral absolutes like individual rights are.
WTF dude? That level of authoritarianism is worst than what the Dems are peddling.
How is it authoritarian? It's not mandatory. It's quid-pro-quo. The druggie scumbag want something (a gun), the normals want something in return (assurances that you will be severely punished if you do drugs again).
Do you even know what "authoritarian" means?
It's authoritarian because the scumbag "normals" have no right whatsoever to demand that the druggies not do drugs to own a gun. The use of drugs in themselves does not pose enough risk. Legal alcohol poses a much greater risk. Who poses a greater risk with a gun - a "druggie" or a drunk? ( Conservatives just love their booze.) In every way legal alcohol is more dangerous than any other drug with respect to guns. Drunks have less coordination, are more reckless, have tendency towards belligerence and confrontation, whereas most drugs tend to mellow people out, except for maybe meth. Even meth is not as bad as alcohol because it doesn't affect coordination and doesn't increase belligerency as much as alcohol. Your so-called "normals" have no right to exert political will over the druggies. The druggies are morally right, and your conservative so-called "normals" are morally wrong.
because the scumbag "normals" have no right whatsoever to demand that the druggies not do drugs to own a gun.
Of course they do. You broke the law, you betrayed our trust, it cost you your 2A rights - if you want them back, shouldn't we get something in return?
Legal alcohol poses a much greater risk.
"Obligatory LOLertarian equating drugs with alcohol!" *drink*
The druggies are morally right, and your conservative so-called "normals" are morally wrong.
LOL. And now you've moved on from moral inversion to outright moral perversion.
No, they didn't. Enacting laws that infringe individual rights, like drug prohibition, are not worthy of trust. Those laws are wrong.
No, it's true moral righteousness. Those who respect individual rights are morally right, those who infringe individual rights are morally wrong. Individual rights are moral absolutes.
There is no more room for compromise of any sort.
We have compromised enough. I WANT MY DAMN CAKE BACK!
No, they didn't. It's none of the public's business if they simply do or deal drugs. The drugs should be legalized. The druggies are the angels, the prohibitionists are the scumbags because they infringe individual rights.
There it is. The moral inversion set as a premise.
You try to invert morality. Your morality is false and wrong. My morality is true and right. I'm right and you're wrong. In point of fact that's that's true, whether I state so or not. It's a moral absolute. Individual rights is a moral absolute. Those who violate individual rights are absolutely morally wrong. That's not just my opinion, it's absolute moral fact, whether I state so or not. Get that straight.
"I know you are but what am I!"
Try harder, Bruce.
Individual rights is a moral absolute.
I agree. How'd you get those individual rights?
[sarc]AT's scheme must apply to users of alcohol as well because each and every one of them is responsible for the twelve thousand plus drunk driving deaths in these U.S. each year (~four 9-11s!). To do otherwise would be despicable hypocrisy.[/sarc]
Guns + booze is a lot worse than guns + weed - change my mind.
"Obligatory LOLertarian equating drugs with alcohol!" *drink*
Yeah, AT! Are you a boozer? Huh?
AT, is ethanol not a drug? Also, is the Earth flat?
Is there any evidence that this issue's even come to DJT's attention? Blame the deep state.
I wondered the same; Bondi has her grubby hands all over this.
TDS Magazine's gotta TDS.
Defends a Gun Ban
Same Shit, Different Day To Go Fuck Yourself, Reason.
Wouldn't "Trump, an Avowed Second Amendment Champion, Defends a Gun *Genocide* With 'No Historical Justification'" be more fitting in the Reason Style Guide?
Trump is not a Second Amendment champion. Never had been. He does believe guns are necessary for security. He can also believe certain behaviors make us less secure when coupled with firearms.
Also - he can be wrong.
I mean Kamala Harris has a gun and she absolutely believes you should *not* so it's not like politicians can't have incoherent positions.
Trump has done jack shit to enhance gun rights in the US.
The most important issue for most RepooplicKKKunts is which candidate will slaughter the most innocent Muslims. So RepooplicKKKunts would have actually voted for Obama over Ron Paul because Obama wasn’t going to allow Bush’s asinine decisions ruin his presidency.
Oh right... /s Republicans supported Gaza over Israel and Ron Paul didn't get any votes on the Republican ticket.
Do you really think anyone buys your upside-down BS?
I actually feel sorry for Molly who make a legitimate point here having your reply dangling below it.
He’s done plenty with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Coney-Barrett. Hopefully we’ll see soon if they live up to their promise for supporting the 2A.
He's actually done less than nothing with his bump stock ban. I don't really give two shits about bump stocks, but if the precedent is allowed to stand it's guaranteed to bite lots of us in the ass eventually.
Yes. SCOTUS should shoot it down and Trump should stfu about it.
So sick of the nanny-state and BS excuses to nanny the public.
What word did you star out, Twink?
Bigot.
In point of fact, he's right, you're wrong.
Sullum's right. You're wrong. Otherwise, you'd have something other than insults.
There's not a clue bat on earth big enough to get truth into Sevo or AT's heads.