Trump, an Avowed Second Amendment Champion, Defends a Gun Ban With 'No Historical Justification'
His administration is urging the Supreme Court to uphold a prosecution for violating a federal law that bars illegal drug users from owning firearms.
A few weeks after taking office, President Donald Trump called the Second Amendment "an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty," declaring that "the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed." But in a case that the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear, the Trump administration is urging the justices to uphold one of the federal government's most constitutionally dubious restrictions on that right.
Since 1968, Congress has prohibited gun possession by illegal drug users, a provision that affects millions of peaceful Americans who pose no plausible threat to public safety. That gun ban is illogical, unjust, and inconsistent with "this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation," meaning it fails the constitutional test that the Supreme Court established in 2022.
Under federal law, it is a felony, punishable by up to 15 years in prison, for an "unlawful user" of "any controlled substance" to receive or possess a firearm. As I explain in my new book Beyond Control, that category encompasses many people with no history of violence, including cannabis consumers in states that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use.
Judging from survey data, something like 20 million Americans, mostly marijuana users, are violating this law right now. In addition to illegal gun possession, they can be charged with three related felonies, which means they theoretically could face nearly half a century behind bars, even if they never handle firearms while intoxicated.
Despite its avowed devotion to the Second Amendment, the Trump administration sees nothing wrong with that policy. It wants the Supreme Court to overrule a 2024 decision in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit found "no historical justification for disarming a sober citizen not presently under an impairing influence."
Trump is taking the same position as Joe Biden, whose administration doggedly defended this gun ban against challenges by marijuana users. Biden even signed legislation that increased the potential penalties for drug users who obtain firearms.
Biden seemed to view that offense as a grave crime that merits stiff punishment. But he made an exception for his son, issuing a hypocritical pardon that shielded Hunter Biden from the penalties faced by defendants who are not lucky enough to have a father in the White House.
The Biden administration argued that disarming drug users had historical precedent, citing early laws against publicly carrying or firing guns while intoxicated. But as the 5th Circuit and other courts have recognized, those narrowly targeted laws are not "relevantly similar" to a categorical ban that applies in all settings and circumstances.
The Trump administration's Supreme Court petition relies on a different, equally problematic analogy: "founding-era restrictions on habitual drunkards," who could be confined to workhouses as "vagrants." But unlike the ban that the government is defending, those restrictions required a judicial determination and did not involve the right to arms.
Another important distinction: The vagrancy laws applied only to a subcategory of alcohol consumers, not to drinkers in general. By invoking them, the government conflates occasional pot smokers with "habitual drunkards."
The government's petition glides over the fact that there was no such thing as an "unlawful consumer" of a "controlled substance" until the 20th century. When the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791 and when the 14th Amendment made it binding on the states in 1868, people could legally consume currently prohibited drugs without a medical prescription.
In the 19th century, drugs such as opium, cannabis, and cocaine were widely consumed in patent medicines that could be readily obtained over the counter or by mail. It seems highly doubtful that Americans of that era would have thought eschewing such products should be a condition for exercising the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
The Trump administration, in short, will have a hard time meeting the historical test that the Supreme Court has said gun control laws must pass. The question is whether the justices will let pharmacological prejudices override that test.
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He also backed the bump stock ban, I believe, or binary triggers or something, during his first term, and he's also enforcing the out of state purchase ban.
He's Trump. He has no principles. People trust him at their peril.
Again, we need an upcheck system.
At the end of the day, Trump has no principles. He's simply a populist. In no way is he a conservative, and any hope that he might actually be libertarian in his actions has long since been dashed.
This feels a bit like "Trump was responsible for the lockdowns too!"
He also backed the bump stock ban
True.
or binary triggers or something
False and fuck you for the interpetation. The Biden Administration ordered the reclassification of some FRTs as machine guns. Rare Breed Triggers was specifically harmed, sued, and had the case dismissed. Texas sued Garland over the arbitrary procedures and won. The Trump Administration settled, allowing Rare Breed to sell the triggers as long as they didn't develop a trigger for pistols and didn't use their patents to threaten firearm safety technologies. Both contingencies being arguably or relatively moot points.
he's also enforcing the out of state purchase ban.
I'm gonna need a cite on this. I don't disagree on the bump stock ban, and certainly agree that regarding sales, ironically, he's nowhere near the salesman that Obama or Biden was, but I'm going to need to see some exceptional explanation beyond "He's enforcing the law", especially cached in FUD and/or made up bullshit, before I'd say he's even close to as bad as either of his Democratic processors.
Yes, he's not Brandon Herrera or Matt Larosiere, but he's a 90s-era New York Democrat. We knew he wouldn't be a Massie-style "End the gAyTF" going in. And, again and even beyond the usual urban democrat style, compared to AOC, Bloomberg, Hochul, Newsom, O'Rourke, Waltz, Harris, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Pritzker, etc. he's far more status quo libertarian or republican/gun friendly than they are.
Even Reagan oversaw gun control in his era and it's objectively considered a black mark on his legacy by his Conservative/Republican supporters. Trump has been far less meddlesome and restrictive than that.
Trump has been far less meddlesome and restrictive than that.
Even after being shot, dumbass.
He may be an absolute monster of a drug warrior, but as far as gun control goes he's once again easily better than half his peers and probably better than well more than half for nearly the last 50 yrs.
First, Trump is Trump; which is saying he is a narcissistic megalomaniac who typically wields/is a blunt instrument that makes the proverbial bull in the China shop look like a well behaved Pomeranian. The guy has his faults and is far from perfect, but I am hopeful that his last term precedes a Vance presidency. The Democrats continue to go off the rails toward racialism and stopped being a legitimate option during their last administration.
And we already knew Bondi would make a shitty AG, especially where the 2A is concerned.
He is also not Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, and I will take him over those harridans who would be an actual threat to liberty any day. Points for quickly securing the Southern border what Biden would not do, assuming he was even aware of the problem, and holding Europe responsible for paying for their own defense.
First: Why did you split my quote in half and praise half and attack half? The second half was part of the same "or" clause.
He also backed the bump stock ban, I believe, or binary triggers or something
Mendacious twat.
As for backing the out of state purchase ban, I didn't go back far enough in their archives to find it, but I did find this one which is about federal gun control in general and short-barrels in particular. They or some other gun news site had articles about someone suing to overturn the requirement to ship out-of-state guns back to an FFL in your home state in order to buy them, and the DoJ defending the law.
https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/gun-control/the-trump-administration-is-perfectly-fine-with-keeping-federal-gun-control-laws-in-place/
ETA: Just because he's better than the alternatives is no reason to pretend he's perfect.
Why did you split my quote in half and praise half and attack half? The second half was part of the same "or" clause.
Learn second grade English, retard. First, 'Or' is a conjunction used to join two or more separate clauses in a single sentence. It's definitively not one clause if it has an 'or' in it, even if it could be treated as one. Second, logically, there is a concept of 'inclusive' vs. 'exclusive or'. SGT is stupid 'or' tricky could mean someone who is smart *and* tricky couldn't possibly be SGT or it could mean someone who's just stupid 'or' just straightforward could be SGT. Third, "Bumpstock ban or... or something" as a whole statement isn't even a complete thought, let alone an addressable one. You don't get to verbally defecate in public and force others others to clean it up after you or step over it and then complain when they don't do so to your liking. Clean your own shit up.
someone suing to overturn the requirement to ship out-of-state guns back to an FFL in your home state in order to buy them, and the DoJ defending the law
Right. As I've pointed out before, this would be selective inversion of FFnC, which could/would carry lots of implications outside firearm transfers. He made no promises in this regard and, as I linked above, is better than the Republicans and Neocons who participated in creating and enacting them.
ETA: Just because he's better than the alternatives is no reason to pretend he's perfect.
Case in point: not stupid *or* tricky. Just stupid. Straightforward stupid.
Learn second grade English, retard.
Yes, please do. You show more idiocy every post.
Me: "He supports gun control. It was X, or maybe Y."
Idiot: "X was great. Y is stupid. Your premise that he supports gun control is stupid."
Wotta genius.
How many times does Trump have to lie for people to get it in their heads that Trump lies ? He isn't even pretending anymore.
As many as Biden?
It's a feature, not a bug. If Trump was serious about half the stuff he says, he'd be dangerous (or more dangerous).
What do you mean 'out of state purchase ban'?
That has been law since 1968. It just means that if you want to buy a gun across state lines it has to go through an FFL.
“Smoke weed every day.”
Fuck off and die, just once, asswipe.
As I've said before - there's room for reasonable compromise.
These druggie scumbags are criminals who breached the trust of the general public. Yea, sure - they did their time. But that's their criminal penalty. It's not a reset button on them being criminal scumbags that magically makes them law-abiding upstanding citizens.
If they want their guns back, then they need to compensate for the trust they obliterated. Wire them up with biometrics that detects any drug use, require that any prescription drug use be administered in-patient (meaning, instead of a bottle of pills to take when you want, you get to go to the clinic every eight hours for your dose), and mandatory presentation for a daily drug test.
You want a gun that bad, then make a daily showing that you can be trusted by proving that you're no longer a recreational user.
That's fair. That's a fair tradeoff. You get your gun ownership rights restored, but the price is that you never get to use drugs recreationally ever again. And you get to spend the rest of your life proving it, so long as you have a firearm. (And if you breach that trust on top of it - jail for life. No sentence reductions, no early parole.)
And it's a double-bonus, as a solid FAFO warning to anyone who contemplates recreational drug use, about the price they'll pay for breaching that public trust that expects you not to be a degenerate druggie.
What’s it like knowing you’re going to be dead in three years Uncle Tom?
Excuse me, I meant house n****r?
What word did you star out, Twink?
Li'l moral know-it-all, aren't you?
You... don't think morality is worth knowing?
Of course you don't, you're an anarchist after all.
Maybe your FAFO warning could be added to all video games, like William S. Sessions did with the "Winners Don't Use Drugs" campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don't_Use_Drugs
The new slogan could be "Gun owners that use weed get jail for life without the possibility of parole".
Well, it'd only apply to a repeat offender who surrendered his 2A rights, but we could tweak your slogan.
And neither the angels in Heaven above
Nor the demons down under the sea
Can ever dissever my hand from my guns
Or my beautiful cannabis weed;
Libertarians for banning guns for people who committed victimless crimes. Because it's good when Trump does it.
It's not a victimless crime. This is a flat out lie and you know it.
WTF dude? That level of authoritarianism is worst than what the Dems are peddling.
How is it authoritarian? It's not mandatory. It's quid-pro-quo. The druggie scumbag want something (a gun), the normals want something in return (assurances that you will be severely punished if you do drugs again).
Do you even know what "authoritarian" means?
There is no more room for compromise of any sort.
We have compromised enough. I WANT MY DAMN CAKE BACK!
[sarc]AT's scheme must apply to users of alcohol as well because each and every one of them is responsible for the twelve thousand plus drunk driving deaths in these U.S. each year (~four 9-11s!). To do otherwise would be despicable hypocrisy.[/sarc]
Guns + booze is a lot worse than guns + weed - change my mind.
But not nearly as bad as this lying pile of lefty shit and a keyboard. Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Is there any evidence that this issue's even come to DJT's attention? Blame the deep state.
I wondered the same; Bondi has her grubby hands all over this.
TDS Magazine's gotta TDS.
Jacob Sullum, a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit should fuck off and die.
Defends a Gun Ban
Same Shit, Different Day To Go Fuck Yourself, Reason.
Wouldn't "Trump, an Avowed Second Amendment Champion, Defends a Gun *Genocide* With 'No Historical Justification'" be more fitting in the Reason Style Guide?
Trump is not a Second Amendment champion. Never had been. He does believe guns are necessary for security. He can also believe certain behaviors make us less secure when coupled with firearms.
Also - he can be wrong.
I mean Kamala Harris has a gun and she absolutely believes you should *not* so it's not like politicians can't have incoherent positions.
Trump has done jack shit to enhance gun rights in the US.