Defending the Summary Execution of Suspected Drug Smugglers, Trump Declares an 'Armed Conflict'
The president thinks he can transform murder into self-defense by executive fiat.
This week, President Donald Trump sought to justify his new policy of summarily executing suspected drug smugglers by declaring that his targets are "unlawful combatants" in an "armed conflict" with the United States. But that terminology, which Trump deployed in a notice to Congress, does not change the reality that he has authorized the military murder of criminal suspects who pose no immediate threat of violence.
So far, Trump has ordered three attacks on speedboats in the Caribbean Sea that he said were carrying illegal drugs, killing a total of 17 people. The first attack was a September 2 drone strike that killed 11 people on a boat that reportedly "appeared to have turned around before the attack started because the people onboard had apparently spotted a military aircraft stalking it." On September 15, U.S. forces blew up another speedboat in the Caribbean, killing three people whom Trump described as "confirmed narcoterrorists from Venezuela." Four days later, Trump announced a third attack that he said killed three people "affiliated with a Designated Terrorist Organization" who were "conducting narcotrafficking."
Contrary to Trump's implication, that designation does not turn murder into self-defense. "The State Department designation merely triggers the government's ability to implement asset controls and other economic sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and other statutes," Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman noted after the first attack on a suspected drug boat. "It has nothing to do with authorizing [the Defense Department] to engage in targeted killings…which is why the U.S. military doesn't go around killing members of all designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations."
According to White House spokeswoman Anna Kelly, Trump's literalization of the war on drugs is fully consistent with international law. "The president acted in line with the law of armed conflict to protect our country from those trying to bring deadly poison to our shores," she told The New York Times this week. "He is delivering on his promise to take on the cartels and eliminate these national security threats from murdering more Americans."
That framing is logically, morally, and legally nonsensical. The truth is that Americans like to consume psychoactive substances that legislators have deemed intolerable, and criminal organizations are happy to profit from that demand. The fact that Americans who use illegal drugs sometimes die as a result—a hazard magnified by the prohibition policy that Trump is so eager to enforce—does not transform the people who supply those drugs into murderers.
If it did, alcohol producers and distributors, who supply a product implicated in an estimated 178,000 deaths a year in the United States, would likewise be guilty of murder. And by Trump's logic, they would be subject to the death penalty based on nothing more than the allegation that they were involved in the alcohol trade.
There is obviously something wrong with an argument that would justify the execution of brewers, vintners, distillers, liquor store owners, and bartenders based on their complicity in alcohol-related deaths. Even during national alcohol prohibition, the government did not treat bootleggers as murderers, even when they were smuggling booze into the United States, which according to Trump's reasoning posed a deadly threat to "national security."
The current drug prohibition regime is more severe in several respects, but it still deploys the death penalty only in rare cases. Federal law authorizes the execution of people who commit murder in the course of drug trafficking. It also notionally allows the death penalty for drug trafficking involving very large quantities: at least twice the amounts that trigger a mandatory life sentence, which are in turn 300 times the amounts that trigger a mandatory 10-year sentence.
Those death-penalty thresholds include 600 grams of LSD, three kilograms of methamphetamine, six kilograms of PCP, 60 kilograms of heroin, 300 kilograms of cocaine, and 60,000 kilograms of marijuana. But no death penalties have been imposed under these provisions, and it is not clear whether they would be constitutional.
In the 2008 case Kennedy v. Louisiana, the Supreme Court held that the Eighth Amendment's ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" precludes execution except for "crimes that take the life of the victim." But the Court added that it was not addressing "crimes defining and punishing treason, espionage, terrorism, and drug kingpin activity, which are offenses against the State."
Trump has made no secret of his desire to execute drug dealers, and he thinks he has found a legal way of doing that without seeking new legislation or going to the trouble of arresting and trying suspects. The trick, he thinks, is to equate drug smuggling with violent aggression, define drug interdiction as an "armed conflict," and treat suspected drug smugglers as "unlawful combatants" who can be killed at will, regardless of whether they are actually engaged in violence.
The Bush and Obama administrations tried something similar with alleged terrorists, which provoked considerable debate about the scope of the government's asserted license to kill, especially as it pertained to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. But in that case, Congress had authorized military action against Al Qaeda and its allies, and the targets were accused of plotting literal attacks on Americans.
In this case, by contrast, there is no such congressional authorization, and Trump deemed his targets worthy of assassination simply because they allegedly were trying to supply Americans with politically disfavored intoxicants. Calling them "narcoterrorists," as the Trump administration habitually does, cannot supply a moral or legal justification for killing them in cold blood without anything resembling due process.
Drug cartels "illegally and directly cause the deaths of tens of thousands of American citizens each year," Trump's notice to Congress says. The president therefore has "determined" that drug cartels are "nonstate armed groups" whose actions "constitute an armed attack against the United States," the notice adds. "Based upon the cumulative effects of these hostile acts against the citizens and interests of the United States and friendly foreign nations, the president determined that the United States is in a noninternational armed conflict with these designated terrorist organizations."
Geoffrey Corn, formerly the U.S. Army's senior adviser on the law of war, told the Times that Trump has not established the "hostilities" required for an "armed conflict" against the United States because (as the Times dryly puts it) "selling a dangerous product is different from an armed attack." In Corn's view, "This is not stretching the envelope. This is shredding it. This is tearing it apart."
Former State Department lawyer Brian Finucane is "not surprised that the administration may have settled on such a theory to legally backfill their operations." But among other problems with that theory, he said, "it is far from clear that whoever they are targeting is an organized armed group such that the U.S. could be in a [noninternational armed conflict] with it."
Cardozo Law School professor Gabor Rona calls Trump's policy "utterly unprecedented." If the people whose deaths Trump ordered "were running illicit drugs destined for the United States, the proper—and entirely feasible and precedented—response would have been interdiction, arrest, and trial," Rona writes. "The Trump administration's summary execution/targeted killing of suspected drug dealers, by contrast, is utterly without precedent in international law. In fact, there is precedent for considering such attacks, when committed on a widespread or systematic basis, to be a crime against humanity. Former Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is currently facing charges in the International Criminal Court for exactly that reason."
Trump, however, is a big fan of Duterte, who likened himself to Adolf Hitler while urging the murder of drug offenders. During his first term, Trump bragged about his "great relationship" with Duterte, who he said was doing "a great job" in tackling substance abuse. Now Trump seems bent on copying Duterte's bloodthirsty example.
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And the cultists here will approve of murder in these cases. Chumpy will no doubt write "JS:DR", and a few will cheer their deaths.
If you claim to be in favour of law and order, you cannot accept what Trump did. If you do, then you're not in favour of law and order. It's just Dutertism. Of course we know Trump admired Duterte - unsurprisingly.
Now do Obama's drone strikes killing US citizens.
Jinx!
I’ll bet your pickled little retarded brain thought that was clever.
The Bush and Obama administrations tried something similar with alleged terrorists, which provoked considerable debate about the scope of the government's asserted license to kill, especially as it pertained to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. But in that case, Congress had authorized military action against Al Qaeda and its allies, and the targets were accused of plotting literal attacks on Americans.
A US citizen doesn't get due process?
Excellent article by Sullum! I couldn't have done better myself.
I voted Libertarian last election. But, if Trump had stood a chance of winning in my state, I would have voted for him. No more! No more fat contributions to NRA-PVF or GOA unless the Republicans nominate someone more libertarian, like Rand Paul or Tom Massie or even Tulsi Gabbard. I will oppose them, otherwise.
Trump is fast becoming more dangerous to liberty than the Democrats, if you can imagine that. If the Democrats were to dump the damned gun-control, I'd vote for them.
I had regarded Trump's saying he would bomb the cartels as mere bluster, considering he's gotta lotta bluster. Maybe I'll reconsider if this doesn't go any further.
Otherwise, the Libertarian Party needs to put together plans to cause Republican defeat. Trump won because Libertarians abandoned the Libertarian candidate to vote for Trump, giving him his margin of victory. Trump's actions and Republican support for them are a distinct threat to liberty as outlined by Sullum in the above excellent article. Democrats like to call Trump a fascist. I used to dispute that. Maybe they're right. If Trump keeps it up and doesn't back off, we need to teach the Republicans a lesson by siphoning away their votes causing their defeat.
Given their last election --- that is laughable to believe the LP can do a damned thing.
One thing for sure --- you will never see another Republican waste their time ever speaking to those clowns again. Democrats never would but Trump did.
Trump speaking at the LP Convention is one of the reasons he won - Libertarians voted for him.
And he came through on his promises.
You're not going to try and claim that Trump is some kind of libertarian, of course
Trump isn’t an ideologue. He’s a businessman who loves America and is a pragmatist. And that’s the difference. Republicans love our constitutional republic. Democrats love the government.
Well while I marvel at your claims that the Libertarian party is relevant to the outcome of presidential elections I'll point out that Trump gave the party exactly what they asked for which was the pardon of Ross Ulbricht. Meanwhile the party's nominee struggled to explain why libertarians should support medical castration for little kids but not surgical castration. Also, shockingly, it turns out Chase is gay. I know it seems crazy but a lot of people around here did not know that. But I'm sure the Libertarian party will change the course of history. Just ask Hank.
Does sarc know?
No, but Jeffy might suspect.
Javier Milei; if your going to vote a libertarian, make it a libertarian.
If you're going to act the purist asswipe, adopt Sometimes a Great Notion as you handle.
Fuck off and die.
If Chase was as gay as he claimed he would have won.
He’s clearly a closeted straight man.
“No more fat contributions to NRA-PVF or GOA”
Nobody cares.
When Edgelords rebel.
No one has to care.
Christian National Socialist infiltrators (The Jesus Caucus) wormed into the LP and wrecked it after Gary Johnson's 4M votes disclosed our spoiler vote clout. That is normal rough-and-tumble. Just as normal is that all those infiltrators need to be hunted down and sent back to God's Own Prohibitionists and the George Wallace American parte where they came from. Simplest approach is to reinstate the 1972 platform under which our vote growth was nearly vertical. The plank where women have individual rights even when pregnant is good Nazi and Klan repellent and a hedge against reinfiltration.
Al Awaki's son never plotted anything we know of
Oh, so Trump is following in Obama's footsteps. Nice!
About the only argument I hear from right wingers is the "whatabout him" argument.
You do understand... its not an argument!
We point out you had no problem when Obama did it, so you don’t get to whine and cry now.
when the far left Democrat cultists did it, it was okay. But when the normal everyday Republicans do it, it is bad.
This comes with defining all Americans as somewhere on a horizontal line from Stalin to Hitler. The GOP become pansy nazis and the Dems cowardly communists--yet both still favor the initiation of deadly force.
How long before someone says it's ok because Democrats did it first?
They can't help it.
Neither can you two help being raging hypocrites.
Shrike might get invited next time sarc rents a HALF MILLION DOLLAR house and holds a sausage party.
But sarc’s kids live with their mom so why would shrike even go?
But it’s sarc that always says it, so this is Lying Jeffy level dishonest, shrike.
Both of you cheered when Obama did it. Why is it bad now?
Oh yeah, TDS.
Yes we know you determine right and wrong by who, not what.
Projection. You and shrike solely complain when the gop does it.
Yet all you do is complain about Trump doing things that your far left Democrat cult does.
TDS - just like a scientologist accusing critics of scientology of HDS
Obama took out actual terrorists who committed murder. Smuggling cocaine or other drugs is not murder any more than gun manufacturers selling guns. No one is forced to use the drugs.
Trump is committing murder and falsely trying to redefine it as self-defense. Libertarians need to ensure Republican electoral defeat if this continues.
“Obama took out actual terrorists who committed murder.”
Liar.
Really? Show me where I'm wrong. Cite an objective reference. Regardless, Trump is taking out people who have not committed any infringement of individual rights or act of aggression.
so when the far left Democrat cult did it, it was (D)ifferent. But when everyday normal Republicans do it, it is bad.
Libertarians understand that both force-initiating looter gangs are, well, force-initiating looter gangs. By operating a good platform unsullied by bootheads, Jesus nazis or communist anarchists and offering voters a choice, we have for half a century pulled both gangs away from communo-fascist socialism. The more entangling, the more they see the chance to infiltrate and neutralize us and get back to competing in hatred and coercion. Check out the 1972 platform. Other countries mostly block libertarian parties.
SRG2; dr, GFY
The act of war is anti-human, the expression of those who live by the initiation of violence. This inhumanity is obvious when the combatants are from different cultures/geography. But, there is a less recognized form of war, govt. by law, i.e., the initiation of violence. Its harm is hidden by censorship, propaganda, secrecy, fraud. It begins with indoctrination of young defenseless minds in regimentation, obedience to authority as superior to thought, as if it were a virtue to sacrifice one's mind, a virtue to be selfless, to serve others without a thought for ourselves. This is the ethical theory used to justify authoritarianism/collectivism. This mistaken, irrational belief is "The Most Dangerous Superstition" (Larken Rose).
JS;dr
QED
JS;dr, shrike.
Maybe you don't want to read it because it challenges your preconceptions.
Sorry Jacob, your articles are metrotosser soft statism aka a waste of libertarians’ time.
Not Jacob.
It is an excellent article by Jake Sullum. Good work, Jacob!
Another lie.
Reread it. It's a good article. He covers all angles and provides references.
Nope.
Yup. Good article.
Jacob, quit samefagging your article.
Who da fag? You da fag?
True dat.
JS;dr
Maybe you don't want to read it because it challenges your preconceptions. Tell me what's wrong with it
What's wrong with it is that the author is an unapologetic deep statist who has done nothing but defend leftist lawfare for the last decade.
Show me where Jacob defended lefty lawfare.
JS; dr
Maybe you don't want to read it because it challenges your preconceptions. I think you know it's good.
Maybe you're a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
Delete "maybe".
It's been reported by anonymous sources that reading Sullum actually makes the reader stupider. I can't vouch for the accuracy of these claims but purportedly based on double blind surveys a single Sullum article made readers 2% stupider on average. While that might not seem like much, bearing in mind that Jacob writes like 10 screeds a week the damage can multiply on an astounding basis.
Obama, and Trump in his first term, drone struck ISIS and Al Qaeda. Those are actual terrorist organizations trying to forcibly impose theocratic dictatorship. The cartels are merely smugglers selling drugs to willing buyers.
Boats are bad, but weddings are ok.
During most of me lifetime, if the gov't said the sun will rise in the east, most people would at least glance west in the morning. Now, any unsubstantiated statement is automatically accepted as directly from the mouth of the gods. Any challenge ot the regime is near treason.
You can thank Covid for that.
yes, you summarized the far left Democrat cult
>The president thinks he can transform murder into self-defense by executive fiat.
Obama did.
"But Obama!"
ICYMI:
The Bush and Obama administrations tried something similar with alleged terrorists, which provoked considerable debate about the scope of the government's asserted license to kill, especially as it pertained to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. But in that case, Congress had authorized military action against Al Qaeda and its allies, and the targets were accused of plotting literal attacks on Americans.
So again I ask... a US citizen gets zero due process when a Democrat does it?
Was TdA declared a FTO or not? If so, same discretion under similar rules as al queda.
“ Was TdA declared a FTO or not? If so, same discretion under similar rules as al queda.”
Apparently you didn’t read the article. That’s not, in fact, what it means.
So the two Americans killed by Obama wasn't murder?
Congress authorizing it makes it not murder? But the President authorizing it doesn't?
And what about 'due process' when Obama does it?
When the far left Democrat cultists do it, it is okay. It is only bad when normal everyday Republicans do it.
When Quadaffi was targeted for assassination - was that or was it not murder? What about the strikes targeting Saddam Hussein?
What authority did the US have for invading Panama and kidnapping Noriega?
^^This.
^^ Not this.
In point of fact, what he wrote is true. The cartels have not plotted attacks upon Americans, rather sold drugs to willing buyers.
The Biden Administration, OTOH, raided Mar-A-Lago.
The Biden Administration, OTOH, raided Mar-A-Lago.
Quite right. A private citizen had a cache of classified and other security-related documents stored unsafely there without proper authorisation.
Idiot.
Right next to the Corvette, huh?
At least you and sarc are consistent with the hypocrisy.
Docs that were declassified by Trump and reclassified by Biden before siccing the FBI on him.
...while they were negotiating on what docs to return or not.
Biden should be grateful Trump is not as petty.
Biden did it too. That makes it ok.
Quite right. A *former POTUS* had a cache of classified and other security-related documents *securely* stored there *with all required* authorisation.
Fixed. Or were you referring to that slobbering shit whose ass you sucked on a regular basis, turd?
And they ignored the other President who had them in a filing cabinet in his garage and in an office he maintained in a China-owned building.
But that was (D)ifferent.
Yeah, in his garage next to his car, but enough about Biden.
No, he didn't. The people Obama drone struck were actual terrorists, not people transparently falsely labelled as such.
Even if Obama did, it's still no excuse for Trump to do it.
Unless this stops, it's time for Libertarians to start considering ways to cause Republican electoral defeat.
I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 despite the fact that Bill Weld endorsed Hillary Clinton. I had voted L since Harry Browne. Gary couldn't put the pipe down long enough to not make an ass of himself throughout the campaign. The Libertarian clownshow convention was deprived of a candidates debate because the front runner ate too many gummies. These are not serious people and they are headed for the dust bin of history. Not that anybody will notice.
Trump won by a margin of victory the same as the reduction of Libertarian vote percentages from average of last two elections. That was after he spoke at the Libertarian Convention. If we adopt a policy of being kingmakers, we'll be able to climb out of that dustbin.
Trump defeated Kamala by over two million popular votes and 86 electoral votes. Openly gay, closet progressive Chase couldn’t muster two-thirds of a million votes and carried 0 electoral college votes. In 2024, there was no king making, spoiling, or anything of the sort by the LP.
That's exactly my point. Because the votes he normally would have gotten went to Trump after Trump spoke at the LP Convention. A lot of libertarians voted for Trump. I would have voted for him if he had stood a chance of winning in my state which is heavily Democratic.
To Trump's credit, he pardoned Ross and I think he may have appointed a libertarian to some post.
It had a lot to do with the LP running an un-serious, closet progressive candidate that had no public or private experience that looked to provide adequate qualifications for being potus.
DJT didn’t need to speak at the LPC to get his vote total. He successfully parried a four-year campaign by the DNC against him.
LP running an un-serious, closet progressive candidate
Not much different than the usual Libertarian candidate, except for maybe Gary or Harry.
If we wanted to defeat Trump, we would have run someone stronger or someone better would have stepped up.
If we start planning now, we could recruit a strong candidate who could siphon votes from Vance or any anti-libertarian Republican candidate to be defeated.
If the Republicans were to nominate Rand, Tom, or even Tulsi, I'd certainly support them as would almost all libertarians. But likely, the Republicans will nominate someone like J.D.
The biggest reservation I have about causing Democratic victory is that Democrats are way the fuck gun-control. Maybe it's easier to bear the asshole Republicans than the gun-control Democrats.
GayJay had 4.4M votes (3.3%).
JoJo had 1.8M votes (1.2%).
Progressive Chase had 0.6M votes (0.4%).
Chase had a third of what JoJo received. The LP should avoid picking unserious, unlibertarians or they will continue to see poor results.
Yeah, those votes went to Trump, enabling his victory.
I'll concede one thing, though. Maybe it's better to have asshole Trump than a gun-control Democrat. If the Democrats weren't so gun-control, then it might be worth causing Republican defeat.
Trump enabled Trump’s victory within the context of Kamala being a retard and Biden’s awful track record. The LP needs to consider someone better than an Obama acolyte that got down on all fours for the covid narrative then socially messaged his NPC compliance.
"...Even if Obama did, it's still no excuse for Trump to do it..."
Now we're at the 'it's not that bad' level for TDS-addled slimy piles of shit.
TDS-addled? I'd have voted for Trump if he stood a chance in my state. He's alienating me since then by his actions.
Scatological much?
"...slimy piles of shit
Scatological much?"
Only when it's true, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
I don't need to insult you to make my point. You seem to have a scatological obsession obvious to all who read your posts.
Why was Obama doing it different though? Obama did it on his own authority - and you're just taking his word for it that those people were terrorists, taking the word of a guy who got caught lying about collateral damage by redefining the term 'militant' to mean 'brown skinned people between 15 and 55'.
Obama and Trump in his first term hit people who were intentionally committing violent acts with the purpose of implementing theocratic dictatorship - ISIS, Al Qaeda.
The drug cartels are only trying to smuggle and sell a product that Americans voluntarily demand and which rightfully should be legalized. No one is being forced to use the drugs. The drug cartels are not committing violence other than violence due to the drugs being illegal. There is quite a bit of moral difference between the drug cartels and the theocratic organizations and terrorists that Obama and Trump in his first term drone struck.
>Unless this stops, it's time for Libertarians to start considering ways to cause Republican electoral defeat.
Why though? Trump is just doing the stuff the Democrats have been demanding for 30 years. Tariffs, drone strikes, the whole package.
If Trump has been doing those things same as the Democrats, maybe it's time for libertarians to stop voting for Republicans. The only reason, and it's a good reason, probably the only reason, to vote for Republicans is Democratic support for gun-control. If the Democrats would dump gun-control, they'd control all three branches of the fed gov by now.
"If" there were only one party, then "the powers that shouldn't be" couldn't keep the public fighting amongst themselves, and they would start to focus closer to the source of our problem, their blind support for being ruled, exploited. Might they wake up and rebel?
The POTUS (front man) doesn't think. He plays his role as directed.
Seems the consensus amongst the Trump defenders is that it was outrageous and wrong when Obama did it, and now it's perfectly wonderful when Trump does it. (doesn't much matter what "it" is at this point)
In other news the sun is hot and a little over eight light minutes away.
More at 11.
And your views prior dumdum?
These types of actions by Trump are causing me to reconsider any support given him by Libertarians. We need to start thinking of ways to cause Republican electoral defeat. Libertarians gave Trump his margin of victory. The ungrateful bastard needs to cease and desist from anti-libertarian actions like drug war murders.
“These types of actions by Trump are causing me to reconsider any support given him by Libertarians.”
Nobody cares.
If Libertarians cause Republican electoral defeat, they'll care. We held margin of victory by voting for them, depressing Libertarian vote percentages from previous elections, by the amount of Republican margin of victory.
Trump is going to cause Republican electoral defeat once the consequences of his policies fully manifest. Though that won’t matter if he declares the results to be invalid or declares his opposition to be terrorists.
To defeat the Republicans Dems need only forsake the Church of Sharknado Warmunism and quit trying to ban electricity. Their 2016 defeat after swearing to keep sending cops to kick in doors because plant leaves taught them one lesson. The other is more difficult since ignorance of electromagnetics is endemic in looter mobs. Helping them lose elections is a good proxy for teaching them physics.
Me =\= we. You have the exact same number of libertarian votes as I do.
Me may =/= we. It may =/= you. But it may ~= plenty of other libertarians but not you if Republicans keep alienating libertarians.
You cared enough to reply.
It's possible that libertarians contributed to Trump's margin of victory but Libertarians were irrelevant just as they have always been.
If we specifically target and siphon away their libertarianish voters thereby causing their electoral defeat, then we won't be irrelevant.
Why? Chase was an awful candidate. Some on here could barely hold their nose and select JoJo. Might as well nominate Sullum and ENB next time.
Actually, that's not a bad idea. They're both articulate and could well advocate and defend the libertarian position.
I've got another idea. Change the LP bylaws to set the date of the LP Convention to just after the Republican Convention. Tell the Republicans to nominate Tulsi and Rand, or we will. Rand's dad was our prez candidate in '88. If the Republicans comply, then we endorse Tulsi and Rand, and/or nominate nobody, or a nobody who will endorse Tulsi and Rand, and work to get Tulsi and Rand elected even if they're still Republicans.
I think almost all of us can agree that Tulsi and Rand would be better far better than any possible Democan or Republicrat candidate, and better than Trump.
Bad idea. Rand wants to enslave women into involuntary labor in violation of 13A. His dad was the entering wedge for the Christian National Socialist Jesus Caucus as saboteurs. If Tulsi wants to work with the LP, let her say something nice abt us. Best to ignore them and speak to voters instead. I tell voters to listen to what the GOP and Dems say about one another, and to remember that on election day.
Yeah, I disagree with him and his dad on abortion, except late-term abortions make me queazy. I'm willing to overlook it if it's the only area of disagreement.
Neither are libertarian. It would be Chase 2.0.
The LP will nominate another clown. Like Reason, it was taken over by edgy progressive urbanites and self credentials to be able to sleep at night believing they are something they are not.
They're a lot more libertarian than anyone else who holds any elected or appointed position. They're as libertarian as Gary or Bob (Barr) who Libertarians previously nominated.
The only question is whether they would agree to it.
Holding the position is not the point. LOSING it for not imitating the LP is what makes the difference between effective and ineffective demand. Voters use the LP to tell the looters "we prefer freedom." Defeat delivers that message more than any polls or whining. It works like a ratcheted lever, like jacking up a car.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Thanks for conceding my point.
Thanks for making mine.
How? All you seem to have are insults rather than reasoning.
Interacting with Sieve-for-brains is a lot like arguing with a mystic.
GFY
Yeah, you know I'm right.
King Obama the 2nd at it some more.
Maybe after 3 more years of this, drug runners might find honest jobs.
No, they'll mix methamphetamine, which is easily produced in the U.S., with the cocaine. They'll smuggle it through Mexico, then over the U.S. border using drones, instead of over the open sea. If they do smuggle it over the open sea, they'll hire engineers to design stealth undersea drones to do it. As long as there is demand, someone will supply it. The best solution is to legalize it all.
This is your first rational comment.
However, fentanyl should not be legalized, and the war on terror should be focused on that.
“the U.S. military doesn't go around killing members of all designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations.”
It should. They truly are enemies.
They're drug smugglers, not terrorist organizations.
If morphine and heroin were legal, there'd be no fentanyl except for medical use as a general anesthetic.
So let's take this to its logical conclusion. Trump has issued a couple executive orders related to designating ANTIFA a domestic terror organization. Unlike the brown dude's in boats with potential drugs; ANTIFA members are accused of actual 'violence' and 'property destruction' on US Soil.
Given the administration's legal rationale here; is it the Trump administration's stance that they could summarily execute ANTIFA members if a) a suspected ANTIFA member in the U.S. was not a US citizen? OR b) since ANTIFA activism or ideas are not limited to the U.S.... could the legal rationale employed with cartels support the summary execution of ANTIFA members in foreign jurisdictions if the administration alleges that those foreign aunty-teefas were providing material support to US based ANTIFA members???
Don't forget that speech Trump doesn't like is both violence and material support for terrorists.
Argument from imagination seems to be a favorite of leftist retards.
Meanwhile you both continue defend the actual shooting of an unarmed woman on j6.
Yeah, but she was an American citizen and not a foreign terrorist. And there were only 275 FBI in proximity.
There were 275 FBI agents who responded through the whole day, not 275 embedded in the crowd. That’s a lie, and you know it’s a lie.
And there were only 275 FBI in proximity.
No, there weren’t. There were 275 FBI agents who responded to the area after a violent mob smashed its way into the Capitol.
As in the riot happened and then the FBI responded. This MAGA conspiracy theory that the FBI instigated the riots and had agents embedded all over the place is horseshit.
And there were only 275 FBI in proximity.
Jesse, I agree with you about Jan 6 and Ashli Babbit - it was an unjustified shooting. But, that doesn't excuse Trump's murderous actions in this case.
Haven’t you been paying attention? Every inexcusable thing Trump does is justified because whomever the Trump defender is arguing with didn’t complain when Democrats did it. It is known that they didn’t complain because Trump defenders project their dearth of principles onto everyone else.
But, the thing is, Sarc, I DID complain when the Democrats did it. I just plain-ass don't like anti-libertarian actions regardless of who does them.
It doesn’t matter to them. In their minds anyone who criticizes Trump never criticizes Democrats because they criticize Democrats and would never criticize Trump.
Poor stupid sarcbot needs new programming.
They tried to ignore the prohibition and communist parties too, and ended up with 2 gross Amendments. But the mechanism was the same. Before reason, the looters had no other policies to turn to but worse looters. When you jack up a car to change a flat tire, it doesn't matter if it was the left or right tire that blew. When voters have an honest alternative, THAT makes improvement happen. In fact, the Liberal party of 1930 wrote the repeal plank the Dems used to win 4 elections in a row.
“ Jesse, I agree with you about Jan 6 and Ashli Babbit - it was an unjustified shooting”
She was part of a violent mob trying to breach a position defended by armed law enforcement. She got exactly what she asked for. This St. Ashli bullshit is in the “Maximum MAGA bullshit” category. To be fair, though, it has a lot of company.
No. She was trying to squeeze through an opening. She posed no danger to him justifying the use of lethal force. That door still served as a barrier so as to keep them from entering en-masse, they'd have to squeeze through individually. He could have called for backup. And if it got to the point that anyone's life or limb was in danger, then he could shoot, but not until. My understanding is that the Congress had been pretty much evacuated by that time.
I would not have charged the officer with murder, maybe not even manslaughter, but something appropriate given the circumstances. I don't like law enforcement being too eager to shoot, even if they get panicy.
Don't change the subject. Slippery slope arguments are not from imagination. The trump administration is designating new categories of terrorists [so called domestic terrorists]. And he is blowing up foreign people suspected of being drug dealers -which they have also extended the label of foreign terrorist organization for what is in reality a routine criminal organization. The slippery slope has already happened. The question is one of how far the legal rationale employed by the administration extends.
So answer the fucking question coward.
All that matters is now Congress has been given a WPA notice, so their turn to vote on it.
We spent 20 years blowing up innocent people in Afghanistan but now you give a shit?
These are drug runners ostensibly part of the TdA terror network. It isn’t like these folks were 8 children and an aid worker.
Regardless, not a fan of this action. Am quite fine with sinking Somali pirate boats.
The Afghan with children was hoarding water.
There is no such thing as the “TdA terror network”. It is a criminal gang, not a terrorist group. Trump unilaterally declaring otherwise is as legal and relevant as me doing it.
^^This. Agreed. Trump and the conservatives are way too eager to define peaceable acts as terrorism.
It is not unlike when then potus Obama declared US citizen Anwar al-Awlaki a terrorist and proceeded to have him assassinated. You are incorrect - you doing what Obama did would be considered murder.
This is one area where I do differ and do not support the actions of Trump and the GOP.
Regardless of the who done it first, etc, the people on these boats should be arrested with the drugs and charged accordingly.
In international waters?
Obviously once they enter US waters or have committed a crime that the US can act upon. It is not illegal to be in a boat in international waters.
They could as easily track those boats as destroy them.
Its always been an armed conflict with drug cartels. We just usually dont shoot back unless its at the border or in our streets. These are foreign groups, state sponsored, murdering and corrupting our citizens.
How else should we deal with the violence?
No, it's NEVER been an armed conflict with drug cartels. Maybe some of them have resisted during drug busts, but in those cases it was self-defense against the drug warriors who initiated force.
The drug war is evil. It needs to end.
Things have changed. The Mexican cartels are now operating north of the border, with automatic weapons that they have bought or stolen from the Mexican police or military. The drug runners too were very likely armed with automatic weapons, in order to protect their cargos. Those automatic weapons just weren’t very effective against incoming missiles from military aircraft.
As for the War on Drugs - yes, pot is pretty benign, but not as benign as what my generation s moved a half a century ago. It’s now legal in a large number of states, which is what we should have done decades ago, or not made it illegal in the first place, esp given the racial origins of the laws making it illegal in the first place. In any case, legalizing it has taken a lot of the illicit profit out of it.
Meth is bad, and got worse with the crackdown. Back, a half a century ago, you could get pharmaceutical grade meth, which wasn’t that much worse than the pharmaceutical grade Dexedrine I was prescribed for a time. Making it in bathtubs (etc) is what is bad there. It’s the resulting impurities that are really the killers.
Heroin is bad, but fentanyl is significantly worse. Not just in strength and addictiveness, but in lethality. Making things worse, the fentanyl trade is controlled by China (through their control over the fentanyl precursors), and until very recently, they limited distribution to the US. They are our major geopolitical rival, and it’s highly suspicious that they kept fentanyl limited to the US. They also, of course, gave us COVID-19, by making a local bat virus significantly more contagious (by modifying the virus’ S1 and S2 spike proteins, used to attach to and enter cells). It’s highly addictive, and kills thousands here every year now.
Heroin is actually one of the safest drugs known to man. In it's pure form it is almost impossible to "overdose" on. Heroin cut with god knows what and/or used with alcohol and probably dirty needles can be deadly but it's not the heroin that kills people. We've known this for well over a century. Heroin and morphine have saved millions from horrible terrifying pain and every hospital on the planet has morphine on the shelf. I doubt that most heavy drug users are making rational decisions but given the choice I'd pick heroin over fentanyl every time. Having said that I've never used either. But if I end up in the hospital with an arm ripped off they can sure enough put me on the drip.
Yeah, the cartels have armed up. But, if the drugs were legalized, there'd be no cartels, rather pharmaceutical companies. I basically agree with your post.
No, they just wouldnt be selling drugs. Maybe it would be guns, people, or something else. Cartels have many sources of income.
What are the distillers, brewers, and winemakers doing today, pimping whores? The only source of income any cartels have is dealing illegal stuff. They won't be dealing in guns, people, or something else, if guns stay legal and if prostitution is legalized. They only traffic in illegal stuff.
Yeah its always been an armed conflict. Narco states have been killing americans for half a century. Dealing with them is not a internal legal matter, its a protection from invasion issue.
It's only an "armed" conflict because the drugs are illegal. When's the last time distillers shot it out with police? Conservatives define it as armed conflict so they can exercise their murderous self-righteousness.
Defending the Summary Execution of Suspected Drug Smugglers, Trump Declares an 'Armed Conflict'
This entire thing is a false flag. Has nothing to do with a 'drug war' and nothing to do with illegals or 'terrorists'. This is solely about the groundwork for the US to regime change Venezuela and seize their Orinoco reserves. It is the worst sort of stuck-on-stupid. And yes the commentariat here will be fully on board when it happens (with 'armed conflict' merely a first stepping stone) and this crowd of clowns will demonize any opposition to that.
The Prize was not just a history of oil, it was the history of 20th century US involvement in the world. It coincided with the end of the Cold War - published iirc around the first Gulf War. It defined how we dealt with everything we might perceive as a threat. Apparently nothing has changed since then - esp to old farts and the deep state who want to repeat their glory days until they die.
Whatever countries have the biggest oil reserves (today, in order, - Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Iran, Iraq) are either going to be a puppet or are deemed existential threats to the US and must be subjugated. During the Great Game of the Cold War, things could get more complex as our involvement also potentially involved the Soviets. Now - we have no perceived constraints - but we are still playing the same game as then - pretending that control of oil remains an existential threat. And it probably does since that remains the perceived reason for the US dollar as reserve currency which is perceived as an existential requirement.
That game still hardens our war boner - and the only comparative advantage of the US is our military and love of permawar.
Not sure I buy into the oil conspiracy.
But maybe it is a false flag where they deployed the navy to review and record the UAP activity that is increasing in the Atlantic Caribbean region...
Rubio is the one who wants regime change and he is de facto running the Caribbean operation as it is the NSC that creates kill lists. Trump's role is to make a Yooge deal signing over the oil reserves so that those wars 'make a profit'.
Oh - and Trump really doesn't even need to make the deal himself. Or make the decisions himself. The Venezuelan opposition leader - Maria Machado - is basically offering to hand over whatever oil reserves the US wants Machado and Rubio should be able to figure that all out.
"...is basically offering to hand over whatever oil reserves the US wants..."
Typical JFucked bullshit:
Venezuelan oil reserves are really difficult to refine, which the commie shits who took over V found amazing! They thought their drunken nephews (the abysmally stupid JFucked, perhaps?) could run the industry, only to find their drunken nephews were as imbecilic as they were.
Hint, asswipe: Some US refineries are the only ones capable of turning the product into a salable good. "Light, sweet West Texas", it ain't.
Fuck off and die, or perhaps learn something, asswipe.
Hahaha! Right, it’s always ‘big oil’ and/or ‘the Jews’ at the bottom of these things for lefty idiots.
The act of war is anti-human, the expression of those who live by the initiation of violence. This inhumanity is obvious when the combatants are from different cultures/geography. But, there is a less recognized form of war, govt. by law, i.e., the initiation of violence. Its harm is hidden by censorship, propaganda, secrecy, fraud. It begins with indoctrination of young defenseless minds in regimentation, obedience to authority as superior to thought, as if it were a virtue to sacrifice one's mind, a virtue to be selfless, to serve others without a thought for ourself. This is the ethical theory used to justify authoritarianism/collectivism. This mistaken, irrational belief is "The Most Dangerous Superstition" (Larken Rose).
Yes; I think arrest is far more just but It's pretty hard to take your concern seriously when you add all that TDS-Hatred spewing rant to it (last paragraph).
Trump acknowledges the reality that we are in armed conflict with foreign gangs. I bet Sullum uses the "assigned at birth" designation rather than acknowledging basic identification.
There's no armed conflict with the cartels except for U.S. attacks upon them. The cartels are smuggling and selling drugs. Smuggling is not an armed attack.
Fentanyl should be treated as an armed attack. It kills 100k Americans per year, largely as a cheap substitute for heroin (which should be legal). Legalize the less dangerous drugs and closely control their quality and the problem shrinks. But fentanyl distributors or smugglers should be executed at will.
No one is forced to use fentanyl. If we're going to be executing people, maybe execute the drug warriors. As you quite articulately put it, "Legalize the less dangerous drugs and closely control their quality and the problem shrinks." My understanding is that the drug users would much prefer heroin or morphine if they were legal.
Fentanyl distributor = paramedic
The postus has the constitutional authority to repel attacks against the US.
What law or where in the constitution does it state an attack the potus has the constitutional authority to repel must to come from a recognized, organized armed group that the US could be in direct military conflict with?
Notarized membership cards!
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I don't need to insult you to make my point.
There're no attacks upon the US. Smuggling drugs for willing buyers and consumers is not an attack, no matter how much Trump erroneously tries to define it as such.
I literally have zero fucks to give about the drug runners in boats. When I see the state of our greatest cities in near-ruin with brain damaged drug addicts on every street corner and filthy tent cities popping up throughout our urban areas, and I look at how many deaths per year from accidental fentanyl overdoses because the amount was far higher than expected, and I see an entire generation of lost souls due to this scourge, I applaud every time they get blown to shit.
Murder my ass...it's justice.
No one is forced to use the drugs. The drugs have always been here before the tent cities. The tent cities arose because restrictive zoning practices limit the supply of housing despite a growing population. They have every right to their tent cities as you have to your single-family home or whatever home you have.
The real murderers are the drug prohibitionists. If drugs were legalized, drug users could buy their drugs in pharmacies with guaranteed purity and accurate dosages.
Libertarians need to seriously consider causing Republican electoral defeat. Libertarians supplied Trump with his margin of victory, and he's ungrateful by committing murder on the high seas which violates libertarian principle.
Do you really think a drug addict could buy and maintain a home?
Homes are so expensive nowadays that most people can't afford them, anyway. Instead, they rent.
If the drugs were legalised, they'd be cheap enough so that addicts could support their habits on their paychecks.
When I served in Vietnam, heroin was so pure and cheap that addicts could support their habits on their paychecks and still save money without having to steal from anyone, which they would be caught doing if they did. When they got back to the "world" (the U.S.), the drugs were a lot less pure and a lot more expensive. They'd be robbing banks and knocking over liquor stores to support their habits. Eventually, the military would drug test them before they DEROSed (date estimated return from overseas), and put any addicts through rehab before letting them come back to the "world" (the U.S.). I remember a medic watching the head of my dick as I pissed into a cup to make sure I didn't swap out urine for the urinalysis required before I could return home.
So yeah, if drugs were legalised, they'd be cheap enough addicts could support their habit on their paycheck.
"Homes are so expensive nowadays that most people can't afford them, anyway."
Yeah, when I was growing up, they were just handing them out! Lefty, whiny bullshit noted. Fuck off and die, asshole.
https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I know I'm an able debater and it must be frustrating debating me. I understand.
It's best to avoid being shitty to each other. One makes a revolution by making friends not enemies. I'm not a lefty. I'm a centrist ,maybe slightly right ( strong pro-gun), libertarian.
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I wish you happiness and a long healthy happy life.
News flash: drug addicts are not productive people, and they don’t stay on the payroll.
That seems to be lost on Bruce Godiva.
Some do, some don't. I think most conservatives fear that they or their loved ones will use drugs and become addicted.
It's Bruce D. I know I'm a good debater and it must frustrate you.
You’re an irrelevant authority operating under Dunning Kruger bias. You bore me.
I'd rather build myself up than tear you down. If I was boring, you wouldn't be replying to me.
I never claimed to be an "authority". Look at my reasoning. Find flaws in my reasoning. If my reasoning holds, then I beg you to please reconsider your position.
Some are, some are not. More addicts will likely be productive under legalization than under prohibition. Unproductive people tend to be drawn more to drugs than productive people.
So tedious.
But, so TRUE.
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Gee, a brand new slimy pile of TDS-addled shit!
Dude, you're way scatological.
"Libertarians supplied Trump with his margin of victory, "
I don't see it. The difference between JoJo's vote in 2020 and Ollie's vote in 2024 was far less than Trump's margin of victory in swing states.
How about Gary's vote in 2016? We could recruit a big name for 2028 who would draw more.
No, the Donkeys are worse since they wink at crime and release dangerous criminals . The Reps may be overzealous, but that is far preferable to the alternative.
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But not sure "overzealous" is yet in evidence. Perhaps 'return to trend' might be more appropriate; arresting shoplifters sounds like a recipe to promote trade. And for the lefty shits who promote theft as a good idea, I'd suggest some history...
But you fuckers are not capable of reading; hope you rot in a jail cell. Blame your parents and that slimy vote-buyer, LBJ.
(Thanks, Mr. Sowell).
I'll concede partly. The worst thing about modern lefties and Democrats is their gun-control. Trump blowing up cartel boats in international waters is bad for liberty, but probably not as bad for liberty as the gun-control that Democrats would enact that would affect many more Americans.
The Democrats are worse because of their gun control. Doesn't mean the Republicans are good, just not quite as bad as the Democrats but close.
You know libertarian means maximum individual negative liberty? Adults are allowed to take any action except those involving coercion. Using drugs doesn't violate the liberty of others.
Absolutely!
Find a place where you may partake of your fave flavor of death-by-drug-of-choice and don't bother the rest of us, including stuffing your pathetic remains in the ground!
Care to place that fantasy in reality?
That continues to be the problem with drug advocacy. I have no problem with someone getting high in their own home. The problem is that they have major negative impacts on those around them and society broadly.
Then prosecute for public drug use just as there are laws against drinking in public. But most of those major impacts are because of or made worse by prohibition.
Oof:
https://x.com/EricBoehm87/status/1974155663627702563
The one thing government is good at and we have people complaining.
Based on the comments I'm guessing Eric doesn't have a huge fan club.
True libertarians support drug prohibition and executions without trial for dealers. Another example of how true libertarians view due process with contempt. Only leftist Marxists with TDS support basic rights and believe the cure for drugs is worse than the disease.
You already made this comment, stupid sarcbot.
This is presented by the TDS-addled slimy pile of lying shit Sullum, so, of course there is zero context; according to shitbag here, we're to assume Trump hears of a boat and bombs it into oblivion.
IF that's the case, Trump's making an ass of himself, but (guessing) that's the shitbag Sullum's two-dimensional fantasy, as he is an abysmally stupid pile of shit, ain't he?
Some context would help, but we're not going to get it from the asshole Sullum.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Poor Jacob is brain damaged. He should be in an asylum.
Let me guess, every single American president committed murder when our military blew up commies and islamic terrorists all over the world. We didn't give them due process, right?
This entire article like "Narco terrorists are different becauze of the drugz" It's sad. Really sad.
Have you seen how the drug cartels tear apart bodies of their victims? Did you know they're not just pot farmers, but also human and weapons traffickers? The only difference between them and islamists in terms of brutality is that they keep their violence in their own region.
The president of the united states declared these drug dealers terrorists. Therefore, as soon as we verify that whoever's on that boat belong to some cartel, they go boom. It'd be no different than Al Qaeda trying to come here with drugs. Don't sell me this sob story about "Americans wanting to buy drugs peacefully". The money they pay to these cartels will be used for criminal activity and even terrorism.
Yes I voted for this.
Cocaine isn’t a big deal. Opioids in general aren’t a big deal either. The opioid fentanyl is a huge deal and perhaps the worst drug to hit American shores. But we could supply every junkie with properly dosed fentanyl for next to nothing. Allow people to get coke with a prescription like Adderall and then give everyone that wants it access to properly dosed fentanyl. Everyone has access to alcohol and cigarettes and coffee and guns and automobiles and so who cares about adding more crazy shit to the dumpster fire?? Btw, the least crazy shit is marijuana and it was illegal for decades.
In point of fact, there are no narco"terrorists". That's just a term invented by conservatives to justify their lust to murder -THAT'S sad. The cartels are black-marketeers, smuggling and selling goods to willing buyers. No one's forced to use the drugs.
Al Qaeda doesn't deal drugs. In point of fact, no one is forcing Americans to buy and do drugs. The money will not be used for terrorism. Find some reference showing where any cartel has attacked American civilians other than disputes between drug dealers that would not have happened if drugs were legalized. The drug warriors, in fact, are WAY more terrorist than the cartels.
I didn't. It's time Libertarians put together plans to specifically cause Republican electoral defeat, if Republicans don't "play ball" with us. There's no reason the Republicans have to do this kind of stuff. Libertarians need to become kingmakers and learn to use our balance of power throw the elections to libertarian advantage.
Contrary to Mr. Gabor Rona's assertion, this is neither unprecedented nor illegal in international law. The use of military force to sink stateless vessels on the high seas, even in times of peace, is an action ratified by centuries of international law and practice.
That the vicissitudes of modern technology mean that it is now fast and easy to sink these vessels by automated means from a great distance does not, in fact, change the legalities. Using military weapons to open fire upon and sink a stateless ship is not suddenly barred by international law if the military force is a high explosive delivered by drone instead of roundshot from a cannon broadside.
Now, theoretically, one might possibly argue that these vessels were not stateless. But in that case, the flag state should be loudly shouting about the US committing an open act of war against it, acts of open military aggression against the flag state's sovereignty. Instead, no country is claiming the five US strikes against these boats since September 2 are acts of war against it. Indeed, after the first strike, several Venezuelan officials publicly declared the US strike didn't even happen. So, there is no act of aggressive war against any state involved.
If you are of the opinion that these sinkings are morally murder, or that they violate some provision of US domestic law, feel free to do so. But anybody claiming they violate international law is entirely full of shit.
“But anybody claiming they violate international law is entirely full of shit.”
“JACOB SULLUM is a senior editor at Reason”
Checks out.
The use of military force to sink stateless vessels on the high seas, even in times of peace, is an action ratified by centuries of international law and practice.
Cite?
Why do you have such a hard-on for these scumbags, Jacob?
The truth is that Americans like to consume psychoactive substances that legislators have deemed intolerable
Wrong. The truth is that YOU like to do that, and you're rationalizing your position by imputing it to "Americans" at large.
There is obviously something wrong with an argument that would justify the execution of brewers, vintners, distillers, liquor store owners, and bartenders based on their complicity in alcohol-related deaths.
Narcoterrorists aren't engaged in "complicity." They're direct and intentional actors.
Also, "alcohol is the same as psychoactive drugs!" *drink*
You know - with 100% certainty - that no leftist has an ACTUAL argument on this subject when they default to that argument.
Trump, however, is a big fan of Duterte, who likened himself to Adolf Hitler while urging the murder of drug offenders.
Wow. Really scraping the bottom now, eh Fakey?
"Anyone who hates me and anything I do is a Nazi!" Just say it, faggot. That's what this entire article ultimately came down to.
And guess what, after you shot our boy Charlie - ain't nobody listening to that crap anymore.
And guess what, after you shot our boy Charlie - ain't nobody listening to that crap anymore.
Jacob Sullum didn't shoot anyone and Kirk wasn't "your boy".
There are no narco"terrorists". They're black marketeers responding to market demand. They're not creating the demand.
It affects coordination more than any other drug and is involved in more traffic fatalities.
Some people want to use drugs. That's obvious. Whether HE wants to use them, you have no evidence either way. That's irrelevant, anyway.
Obama set the precedent. I dont make the rules.
American Taliban wasn’t treated as a criminal when he was initially captured…so Bush set the precedent.
Hey dipshit, we 'summarily execute' soldiers in wars too or did you not know you're writing under 'The War on Drugs' section?
Why don't you make yourself useful and actually cover something more relevant like the bottomless fiscal pit the war has become?
The people on those boats are civilians not soldiers.
No one writing this article seems to know what drugs were being subjected to tne thrust of the president's "poisoning" claims.
Seeing that drugs such as cocaine or heroin likely to be smuggled by Columbian agents are both perfectly legal to buy with license from Trump's own federal government and might be legal to trade somewhere other than Columbia, at best Trump acted as a pirate and scuttled a few ships ... murder, but pirate action that seems to be under the radar but violent business.
Drugs legal to buy with authorization cannot be referred to as poison validly if trying to excuse murder, because there is no legal foundation to critique the purity or composition of what has been alleged to had been smuggled.
How can a government as sophisticated as has the USA not even have the strategic capability to obtain samples called "evidence" in legal jingo? nowwe have secret organizations vouching that the identity ofthe murdered was not allowed to have rights near the coast?
This goes way back. China invented prohibitionist fanaticism over opium, and boycotted US goods in 1905 to get TR to help them kill people. Cocaine hysteria may go back to Jack Johnson moving from racehorse trainer to work champion boxer. Racial collectivism and hatred is popular among ku-kluxers. Or it may have been fear of a trade imbalance. But a stimulant, a narcotic and beer, wine and whisky became excellent reasons to poison, hang and gun down fellow Americans as of 1905, 1914, then 1920. There is good reason to see the seeds of WW1 AND WW2 in that antitrade violence.
Bruce D, you are very familiar to me. I just can’t remember from where. It’s a pleasure reading your posts again.
Bruce is a welcome alternative to the potty-mouthed shrewdness of trumpanzee MAGAts Reason has us put up with.
Funny how the looter prohibitionists go around murdering on the high seas, and suddenly a munitions plant in redneck territory goes blooey. Suppose this WERE an instance of the initiation of deadly force bringing unequal yet apposite reprisal force... how many here believe the mystical looters would admit it?