Trump Says the Courts Have No Business Questioning His Dubious Definition of 'Alien Enemies'
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit is considering whether the president properly invoked the Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged gang members.

When President Donald Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) against alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua in March, he implicitly asserted that they were "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" of a "foreign nation or government" that had launched an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States." But because Trump did not claim that the United States was at war with Venezuela or that Venezuela had invaded this country, it was not clear which "foreign nation or government" he was talking about.
That was one of the puzzles that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit considered during a hearing on Monday. The case, W.M.M. v. Trump, involves detainees in Texas who argue that Trump improperly relied on the AEA, a rarely used, 227-year-old law, to summarily deport foreign nationals that the government has identified as Tren de Aragua members. Another issue raised by the case is whether federal courts have the authority to decide that question.
They do not, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Drew Ensign told the 5th Circuit, which is the first appeals court to consider whether Trump's novel use of the AEA makes any legal sense. Several federal judges, including a Trump appointee in Texas, have rejected Trump's idiosyncratic definition of "alien enemies," saying it is contradicted by copious historical evidence. But according to Ensign, they had no business making that call. "The president's determination that the factual prerequisites of the AEA have been met is not subject to judicial review," he said. Alternatively, he argued, "it's subject to extremely deferential review."
Ensign's main argument does not seem consistent with the Supreme Court's April 7 decision in Trump v. J.G.G., which held that AEA detainess have a due process right to contest their designation as "alien enemies." Although the justices did not address the legality of Trump's AEA proclamation, they noted that "an individual subject to detention and removal under that statute is entitled to 'judicial review' as to 'questions of interpretation and constitutionality' of the Act," as indicated by the Court's 1948 ruling in Ludecke v. Watkins.
"The Supreme Court has made clear that statutory terms can always be reviewed," Lee Gelernt, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer representing the AEA detainees, told the 5th Circuit panel, which includes Judges Leslie Southwick, Andrew Oldham, and Irma Carrillo Ramirez. "All we're asking is that these terms be interpreted, and we think when…you properly interpret them, [the law] requires a military conflict with a foreign government. And since the government itself is not claiming that we're in a military conflict, that would be the end of the matter in our view."
Oldham, a Trump appointee, was nevertheless leery of "countermanding the president" when "he says this is an invasion or an attempted invasion." Gelernt had two responses to that concern. "The government itself is saying we're not in a military conflict," he said, "so I think we're not countermanding the president. You're simply interpreting the statute." He added that "if you couldn't, in your words, 'countermand the president,' there'd be no reason to even interpret the statute."
As Gelernt sees it, interpreting the statute requires understanding its historical context, which included hostile French actions that fell short of full-blown war and the concern that such "predatory incursions" might happen while Congress was out of session and therefore unable to declare war. "The contemporaneous sources are far in our favor," he said. "The Founders were not looking at this as some subtle, clandestine thing….This was a precursor to all-out war. And that framework, I think, tells you everything. This is about alien enemies. And what alien enemies meant is when we are at war with another nation, we can attribute hostilities to every single citizen."
By contrast, Gelernt noted, the Alien Friends Act, a now-defunct statute that Congress also enacted in 1798, applied "during peace time" and was aimed at "dangerous individuals who operated in secret machinations," which more closely resembles the crimes and conspiracies in which Tren de Aragua has been implicated. It is plainly inappropriate, he argued, to invoke the AEA in response to criminal activities that have always been treated as a law enforcement issue rather than a military matter.
"Every single nationality and ethnic group in this country throughout history has been tied to a gang," Gelernt said. "And they all have been entwined at some point with their foreign countries." Yet the government "did not invoke the Alien Enemies Act against the mafia in the 1950s and '60s," even though "someone could have written a proclamation saying they're entwined with the government of Italy," and no previous president has ever before tried to use the law in a context like that. Prior to Trump's proclamation, the law had been invoked just three times, always in the context of wars.
Southwick, a George W. Bush appointee, also seemed troubled by the implications of Trump's interpretation. He noted that critics of Trump's proclamation, including the Cato Institute and the Brennan Center for Justice, warn that his definition of "invasion or predatory incursion" would cover "an enormous number of criminal activities that have some connection to a foreign country." That argument, he said, "does seem to have some purchase to me."
At the same time, Southwick expressed sympathy for the government's view of Tren de Aragua's activities. "The president is proclaiming" that these "terrorists," who are "interwoven" with Venezuela's government, are "undermining…civil society by their actions," he said. "It may not be preparatory to an invasion, but it is having [similar] kinds of effects within the cities in which they're operating."
Defending the logic of Trump's proclamation, Ensign emphasized Tren de Aragua's ties to Venezuela's government, saying the gang is "hopelessly enmeshed with the Maduro regime and carrying out activities, including assassinations of critics of the regime, at the direction of that regime." But as Gelernt noted, the extent of those ties is a matter of dispute. While the FBI has tended to credit accounts of close collaboration between Venezuelan officials and Tren de Aragu, the rest of the intelligence community has been much more skeptical.
In any event, Gelernt noted, the Trump administration has conspicuously declined to identify Venezuela as a "hostile nation or government," as the AEA would seem to require. "The government is not claiming we are in armed conflict with Venezuela," he said, perhaps because "they understand the implications. If we really were in a military conflict with Venezuela, it would mean our military could shoot [Tren de Aragua] members because they'd be combatants. It would mean the Geneva Convention would kick in." He added that the Trump administration "would have to go to Congress" under the War Powers Resoluton.
In short, Gelernt said, "the government is trying to have it both ways." It wants to assert that the United States is under attack by a "foreign nation or government" to justify invoking the AEA, but it does not want to say "we're in an armed military conflict with Venezuela" because of the complications that would entail.
The government "originally argued" that Tren de Aragua itself is "a foreign nation or government," Gelernt noted. "They've changed their position now and [are] trying to say [Tren de Aragua] is entwined with Maduro. But you need to name the country."
Oldham clearly seemed inclined to uphold Trump's use of the AEA, while Southwick seemed like he could go either way. But assuming the panel sides with the government, that won't be the end of the matter. In May, when the Supreme Court enjoined the removal of AEA detainees while their cases are pending, Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion saying he would have preferred to go further. "The circumstances call for a prompt and final resolution," he said, "which likely can be provided only by this Court."
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More like BS;dr
Indeed.
JS;dr
I’ll react to the headline:
He has a point. When the Constitution and the actual immigration law passed by Congress both agree that he is The Decider, the Courts DONT have any business questioning
According to the Constitution, that’s exactly what the court’s business is.
I realize checks and balances and co-equal branches of government are considered passé in Trumpworld, but those of us who think the United States has an excellent structure where the Executive is restrained by the Legislative and the Judicial branches disagree. Strongly.
No branch should ever have unquestioned power. That way lies tyranny.
How is it youre wrong on literally every topic?
The opinion that occurred JUST LAST WEEK stated not every law passed allowed judicial review.
In this case judgement to invoke the act lies solely in the executive as determined by the law passed by congress. But like KBJ you want judicial supremacy. Youre a fucking moron.
God you're ignorant. They literally just had a SCOTUS decision regarding laws that deferred to presidential judgement.
The constitution does not do what you claim.
Such a fucking retard.
According *to the court itself*, no the Constitution doesn't make the court 'the decider'.
No, the courts do not oversee the executive’s Article 2 powers, no matter how many times ignorant people say it.
But you dissimulate as usual. You use "co-equal' and then say 'restrained" and then go over the cliff and say 'unquestioned" and BOOM !!! "tyranny" . You could probably work (unpaid)for the local high school newspaper.
and of course tyranny historically had no branches of government 🙂
Until the AEA is ruled unconstitutional (don’t hold your breath), I’m pretty sure it says the President gets to decide when to invoke it and the courts job is to adjudicate such cases as needed. But it doesn’t say anything about them reviewing his proclamation.
Yes I due think that illegal invaders that come to this country, wave the flag of their home nation and destroy the US are in fact the enemy. They deserver to be treated as such. Fuck deportations, kill them all
International agreements on the rules of war say that irregulars not in a national uniform can be killed in the field and need not be treated as prisoners of war.
JS;dr
The thing is, each one gets more imbecilic. How does he manage this? He starts at such a low point of intelligence that one thinks there's no further down he can go --and damned if he doesn't find a way to dig that hole deeper.
Jacob “Charlie Brown” Sullum lines up for the field goal kick…
He just doesn't learn. Neither does Nelson.
Fakey Jakey goes to such lengths to invite killers and rapists to run free in America.
"Well hey, Venezuela isn't officially sending them, so I guess we have to let them in!"
Jake, you gimp, has it ever occurred to you that you can look at someone like TdA, or MS13, or ISIS, or Palestine - and understand that they're not a recognized nation in and of themselves, but still consider them a splinter nation absolutely intent on harm? The fact that they're effectively nationless on paper doesn't mean that the AEA applies any less. What, we're supposed to ignore a large force of military aged men encroaching and breaching our border because they're not waving an Officially Recognized Flag as they do?
NGL, I seriously can't tell whether you just hate Trump, or whether you hate America and every one of its citizens.
Why invoke the AEA at all? If they have broken the law, it is easy to justify deporting them under the usual processes. If they are here because they have a pending asylum case, then just revoke their status - the government has already done that for other migrants (whether or not it is legal). So why even bother?
Why? To stir up the emotions of his dedicated followers who now believe that all illegal immigrants are enemy invaders. Just look at the comments from his brainless toadies. They honestly believe that anyone without papers is an enemy soldier intent on overthrowing the government.
Go back to leftist reddit. You two dumbasses dont belong here.
What sound logic. You GO if you do not like it here. Truth Social is perfect for you MAGA cult goosesteppers. TS would kick them off faster than a finger snap so just you and MAGA fucks can jerk each other off without having to read dissenting opinions.
"The usual processes" can be gamed and stretched out for years or decades. We don't have time for that. We are under an invasion.
By the way, has it ever occurred to you that using the AEA to go after individuals who are alleged to be a member of a gang, as opposed to citizens of a nation, can lead to all sorts of abuses of power? At least citizenship is a well-defined legal concept. But how does the government decide who is in a gang? As we saw in the case of Garcia, Trump and right-wing media had his followers utterly convinced that Garcia was a member of MS13, even though the evidence for this claim was extremely weak. That is what can happen - the government simply declares certain 'undesirables' to be in a gang, whether or not it is true, using whatever loosey-goosey standard that they want, and then, they can use the AEA to go around even the very weak due process that migrants have. Don't you think, at a minimum, that if the government is going to assert the power to summarily deport the people whom it believes to be "bad people", that there should be some way to objectively decide if a particular individual falls into the "bad" category?
“Extremely Weak” =
Gang tattoos, wearing gang uniform colors & logos, affiliation with gang members, a custody case where his wife had custody threatened for living with a gang member. A restraining order preventing him from being deported to a country where he would be in danger from a rival gang, Oh, and being arrested human trafficking for a gang in a SUV owned by his “boss” - who is a convicted human trafficker gang member.
I guess his TdA membership card wasnt laminated on both sides?
ALL of these claims are based on biased interpretations and unproven allegations. Which only makes my point - "gang membership" is far more subjective and vague than something that is more concrete like citizenship. Just a reminder, the government is asserting the power to summarily deport individuals using the AEA *without judicial review*. Don't you think that if the government is going to have this power, the criteria for deportation should be more objective than that? Otherwise how is any random person supposed to know if he/she falls in that category?
Uncertainty and fear are features, not bugs.
Yup, it is one way how MAGA wants to criminalize difference. Because if a person has the "wrong" tattoos or the "wrong" clothes, they might be labeled as a gang member and be arbitrarily deported! What are the "wrong" tattoos and "wrong" clothes? No one really says. But it's clear what the "right" ones are - the ones that all the "normal people" are wearing. So you can have tattoos, but only the ones that might be found on stupid suburban teenagers. Can't have the others, those might be "gang symbols"! So you can wear whatever clothes you like, as long as it would be appropriate at a church picnic. Can't wear anything else, otherwise it's "gang clothes".
Do you think tattoos are used to to indicate membership in gangs Lying Jeffy?
“Yup, it is one way how MAGA wants to criminalize difference.”
Lie.
“What are the "wrong" tattoos and "wrong" clothes? No one really says.”
Lie.
“But it's clear what the "right" ones are - the ones that all the "normal people" are wearing.”
Lol, wut? Man you are such a shameless broken psychopath.
“So you can wear whatever clothes you like, as long as it would be appropriate at a church picnic. Can't wear anything else, otherwise it's "gang clothes".”
So dishonest it’s absurd. You really are a psychopath.
And he’s too stupid to understand that these disingenuous tactics he employs are obvious, hamfisted and pathetic. He ends up doing damage to his own cause.
Strawmen and collectivization is okay when he does it!
Fuk off MAGA clown they tried to use a horrible doctored photo for his tattoos. FACT not lie, not that you goosesteppers care about facts.
JFC Pedo Jeffy, you really excel at being willfully obtuse. He’s AN OBVIOUS FUCKING GANG MEMBER. But you’re such a disingenuous shitweasel, you can’t admit to anything ever. This is why you have no credibility here, and this is why you are so hated.
Just fuck off and die. Literally.
By the way, has it ever occurred to you that using the AEA to go after individuals who are alleged to be a member of a gang, as opposed to citizens of a nation, can lead to all sorts of abuses of power?
I'm OK with it. Killmore Alfredo Taquito should be rotting in CECOT for the rest of his life. The fact that he's even back is the real travesty.
using whatever loosey-goosey standard that they want
Pretty sure it wasn't that loosey-goosey. But you know what, I like where you're headed with this. Illegal aliens - if they want to prove their desire to truly live in America, we'll do the same thing I suggested for the Afghani's.
Bring us a head. That's your ticket in. Bring us the head of a verified MS13 or TdA or whatever else member currently in America, and we'll print your green card right then and there. (Obviously we'll have to slide the requirement scale over time from foot soldiers to lieutenants.) This is a very two birds solution. No way you can possibly object to it.
I'm OK with it.
I know it doesn't. You never think you will ever be on the receiving end of this government abuse.
Why not just shoot all the illegals? Would the bullets cost too much?
I'm OK with it.
I know it doesn't.
Lying Jeffy is losing it.
Because I'm not a horrible person.
This is a little game you twinks like to play. "Well if you don't want illegals raping and killing coed joggers, obviously it means you want to kill them all."
Nope, sorry Jeff. Most folks (least of all me) wants the so-called "peaceful hardworking illegal" dead. We just don't want them here. And that's not an unreasonable want.
And I defy you to tell me why it is.
Now, as far as the hostile criminal illegals - they're a different story. If they had some kind of scarlet letter on their face then I'd say yea - trigger discipline and mark your targets as they rush the border. But since they don't, the next best thing is to pit the illegals who really want to be Americans against the ones who want to exploit America. Earn your passage by bringing us the head of someone who is sneaking in here to do us (or anyone else) harm.
Again, two birds - we get a good immigrant, and one less scumbag in the world.
Because they have to work the farms. That's why Trump asked them to stop raiding farms! They can get all the illegals. That's fine. Do it without wearing masks. By identifying yourself. By due process. You would be crying like a bitch if they acciedntly deported you to Venezuela.
You’re flailing again. No you go from obtuse lies and deflection to hyperbole. Classic Pedo Jeffy.
Just admit you have no real argument, and take the ‘L’ Fatfuck.
Yes, he always escalates to "BUT THEN THEY COULD JUST KILL EVERYONE!!!"
Jeffy is clearly very angry again. Probably dove elbows deep into his current 55 gallon drum of Ben & Jerry’s.
Did it ever occur to you that honest people disagree with Trump's dishonest interpretation of the law still want to deport criminal aliens?
That would require thinking. Thinking is not in AT's limited skill set.
It's like a leftist mind virus. Literally Friday but you dumbasses all probably blacked out drinking while crying yourselves to sleep.
He’s far. Ore intelligent than you are. Hell, all of us non leftists are geniuses compared to you, the drunk, and the morbidly obese pedophile.
As stated to Nelson, scotus just ruled on this. The law refers judgement to the executive, not to judges.
You dumb leftist fucks refuse to ever educate yourselves even when proven wrong even a few days ago. God damn.
Off topic, but a little more goodness to brighten our day.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/upenn-lia-thomas-swimmer/2025/07/01/id/1217231/
FTA:
“The University of Pennsylvania agreed to ban transgender women from its women's sports teams to resolve a federal civil rights case that found the school violated the rights of female athletes.
The U.S. Education Department announced the voluntary agreement Tuesday. The case focused on Lia Thomas, the transgender swimmer who last competed for the Ivy League school in Philadelphia in 2022, when she became the first openly transgender athlete to win a Division I title.
It's part of the Trump administration's broader attempt to remove transgender athletes from girls' and women's sports.
Under the agreement, Penn agreed to restore all individual Division I swimming records and titles to female athletes who lost out to Thomas, the Education Department said. Penn also agreed to send a personalized apology letter to each of those swimmers.
It wasn't immediately clear if Thomas will be stripped of awards and honors at Penn.”
If that were true, you wouldn't be complaining and whining about our doing so every step of the way.
People have a problem with the how, not the what. Trump and people like you say he’s above the law. That the end justifies the means. The law means what he says it means, not what it says. The rest of us say that people, even immigrants, have a right to due process. That words like “invader” and “subject” in the context of the law are describing people of another government who are attacking our government. You know, war. Not criminals who slipped in with people with expired visas and people who just want a jab. The people Trump claims he is targeting are criminals, and there are already legal means of dealing with them without dishonestly invoking emergency powers and depriving people of their rights like a wannabe dictator or king.
Sarc lies as bad as Lying Jeffy these days. Sad.
People have a problem with the how, not the what.
You didn't have a problem with it when the invader was a virus that preyed primarily on hypochondria.
You don't get to play both sides, sarc. But hey, if it makes you feel better, "two years to flatten the illegal alien curve." In the meantime Trust The Experts™ and shut your f'ing mouth.
Not criminals who slipped in with people with expired visas and people who just want a jab.
NGL, your SIC has me falling off my chair laughing.
The law means what he says it means, not what it says. The rest of us say that people, even immigrants, have a right to due process.
We don't care anymore, sarc. You no longer get to weaponize the Constitution against Americans in favor of a hostile enemy who seeks to exploit it against us. Has it not registered with you at all that the only people you can ever seem to champion to your cause are total scumbags? Why - WHY - does that not make you take a step back in reconsideration?
It's not a suicide pact.
The people Trump claims he is targeting are criminals
Yes, illegal aliens. They are criminals. The American People are no longer splitting hairs with that term, as you're so desperately trying to do.
Sarc is a hardcore far left democrat. He has no scruples, standards, or principles. This is exacerbated by his severe, lifelong alcohol abuse. Which further destroys any sense of accountability.
Sarc is subhuman garbage on every level. He will never be honest.
TRUMP said he was going after the criminals. Just to get all you goosesteppers snowflakes all fired up. TRUAMP SAID ONLY CRIMINALS. They are not Jeff's words or the lefts! #goosestepper #brownshirt
That's not what he said.
He said he was going after all illegals. He simply prioritized which ones he'd start with. That time for prioritizing is long past.
You have been posting here as long as I have (if not longer), the stances from most commenters on illegal immigration didn’t suddenly change when Trump came on the scene. It used to be just the leftist assholes like Tony who would throw around the racist and xenophobe insults at the anti-illegal immigrant people, but I’ve seen multiple old timers do it over the last 8 years.
So yeah, people have a problem with the what too.
But you define "honest" as "disagrees" ,what a chilidish clown you are 🙂
> hate Trump, or whether you hate America
¿Por que no los dos?
While I'm at it, you've invoked a whole wad of grey bars. Must have said something that triggered the 50 centers.
Good job AT.
"If you believe that laws mean what they say then you hate Trump and America."
The law literally defers to the executive branch dumbass.
The law gives three conditions under which the act is valid. None of those conditions apply.
The Executive doesn’t get to invoke a law that hasn’t been violated to do something just because they say they know better.
Which of the three conditions that allows for the law to be used has been violated? And I mean actually violated, not “we say that two unrelated things are the same”.
Nope. Try again.
Already refuted repeatedly. *yawn*
Besides Maduro being shown to be in league with TdA and refusing to take back his citizens?
As a thought experiment, suppose the gov't want to deport someone to a gulag, but that someone turns out to not be the murder/gang banger/really bad dude the government claims. That is, government made a mistake. No formal changes, no appeals, no recourse, just a plane ride out of Dodge in the next twenty-four hours. Is our guy in question just shit out of luck and destined to enjoy the rest of his life as a guest in the Maduro Hilton? Do you really accept FYTW as correct?
That sounds suspiciously like an argument for due process. Can't allow that.
Learn what due process is dumdum.
It's like some of you are proud of being retarded and ignorant.
How many bites at the apple is enough for you?
Sarc isn’t capable of learning, and is completely dishonest. We need to scrape him off like rotten garbage.
Do you really accept FYTW as correct?
Of course he does, because AT is confident in his belief that he will never be the victim of this type of government abuse. After all, he believes the only people who could possibly be affected are brown people living in the barrios. Not someone like AT, who is obviously a white guy living in the 'burbs who doesn't even speak Spanish. So why the fuck should AT care about the filth and vermin living in the slums? Because he's a Christian? LOL
Hablar espanol es esencialmente obligatorio ahora.
Also, language.
So why the fuck should AT care about the filth and vermin living in the slums?
Criminal. Criminal filth and vermin living in the slums. You keep leaving that part out.
Why do you think you will never be subject to the arbitrary whims of those in power that you are eager to subject others to?
Why do you think you will?
Are you a criminal?
And theeere we go. "If you have nothing to hide..."
lol, that is not even remotely the same thing as being a criminal.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think you'll be subject to the arbitrary whims of those in power?
Pedo Jeffy, you and your fellow travelers violated the law and brought millions of these illegals here. We’re just cleaning up YOUR mess. And your kind keep obstructing us.
It’s time for you to go. So GTFO while it’s still up to you. Or else things are going to get real fucking bad for you.
He keeps leaving it out because he’s a lying psychopath.
And I’m not being hyperbolic, Lying Jeffy is a true psychopath. He’s not even pretending to tell the truth in multiple posts in this thread.
Posts so absurdly dishonest that only a psychopath would think people believe him.
Does your theoretical Maryland Dad have a deportation order? Did you know that illegal aliens are free to self deport to anywhere they please at any time? Crazy I know. Your hypothetical victim could have been gone on January 20th and wouldn't have to worry about government mistakes.
What is the acceptable error rate of laws?
No further progress can be had before you can define that.
I've addressed this subject a thousand times.
Identify the mistake, send him back home, Very Official Apology™, and $10 gift card to Applebees as restitution for the trouble.
Ok, Hillary,WHO ever said the law has to be perfect to be law?
Mistakes will be made. But the bigger mistake is to let the criminal injure more people. He is one person , they are multiple. So even under your view YOU ARE WRONG 🙂
As a thought experiment, this person is an illegal alien, yes?
He is not the murder/gang banger/really bad dude they thought he was, but is still an illegal alien, yes?
Then he gets the due process all illegal aliens are entitled to.
He gets expedited removal.
Due process claims satisfied, illegal gone.
What HIS nation's government does with him is not our business.
Are you really conflating a street gang to a sovereign nation? And you don’t see the absurdity in that?
“ The fact that they're effectively nationless on paper doesn't mean that the AEA applies any less.”
That’s exactly what it means. Words have meanings and those meanings matter. Street gang doesn’t equal sovereign nation.
Youre entire Schtick of argument by ignorance is tiring. There is plenty of evidence of connections between Venezuela and these groups. God damn.
No, there isn’t. You believe that, but there isn’t any evidence that they are acting in the interests of, by the direction of, or are the agents of, the Venezuelan government.
In the paleocon world there is rock-solid evidence, but paleocon and ignorant are synonyms.
There is as much evidence for the gangs acting at the Venezuelan government’s behest as there is for Donald Trump acting at the Russian government’s behest: none.
Ignorance is strength to stupid leftist fucks like him.
Sorry Nelson we already did that in 2001.
You’ll have to be more specific. If you can.
Non-lawful Combatant.
That’s exactly what it means. Words have meanings and those meanings matter. Street gang doesn’t equal sovereign nation.
You are straight up clown town some days, Nelson.
*armada of Chinese ships approaches the Western Seaboard*
USA: "Hey you can't do that."
China: "Uh, yea - so, we officially *wink* revoke their Chinese citizenship. Now they're just nationless people. On rescue ships. That look like battleships. Just ignore what the ships look like ok? But go ahead and ask them. They'll say they want amnesty. And aren't Chinese. Even though they're all clearly Chinese *wink*. And trained fighters."
USA: "Oh well in that case come right in, you can't possibly be an alien enemy if that's the case."
Russian: "I would like citizenship now, da?"
USA: "... pretty sure you're a Russian enemy."
Russian: "No, comrade. I not Russian. I Bratva. Is different."
USA: "Oh well OK then, welcome to America. Please don't do any Bratva things."
Russian: "No promises."
Seriously Nelson, sometimes you say things that offer room for thought. Other times you say things that are downright retarded.
This is the latter.
In order for your ridiculous Chinese hypothetical to apply, there would have to be evidence that the Venezuelan government purposefully sent gang members here with a clear intention of military invasion. Where is that evidence? Hint: it is between "weak" and "nonexistent".
But in all honesty, in your case, I don't think it even matters. You just want the criminal filth and vermin to be gone, by any means necessary. You'll twist any interpretation of any law that allows the government to have even the thinnest pretext to do that "legally". We're beyond truth and facts and reason and logic, we are now at the stage where you simply want your will enacted no matter what. That's what I think.
there would have to be evidence that the Venezuelan government purposefully sent gang members here
No there wouldn't. All they have to do is say, "Hey, those guys aren't with us."
And apparently that's carte blanche permission for them to enter and start wreaking havoc in America in your book.
You just want the criminal filth and vermin to be gone, by any means necessary
Why don't you? Tell me all the redeeming qualities of criminal filth and vermin. I'll wait.
Pedo Jeffy doesn’t believe in citizenship or borders. These things are anathema to him. And part of why he hates America so much.
When Congress writes into law conditions that have to be true before the President can take an action, the President has a duty to faithfully execute the law. The role of the courts is to find facts and interpret laws. If the President is lying about a prerequisite to an action, the courts of course have the ability to question the President.
If a Congress says a law can only be used on Mondays. The courts can step in if the President declares that all days are Monday.
That was only true in the days of yore when Congress had a spine and didn't roll over for whatever Dear Leader wrote in his last 3 AM "Truth" social screed.
Dumb defending the dumb. God damn.
What conditions werent met seeing as the law states a presidential determination Dr dumdum.
When the TDS-addled shit MG posts anything, you are welcome to assume the TDS-addled shit MG is, as always, full of shit.
In law you can't contest a fact by a contrafactual.
And the example is dumb anyway. Monday where --- in a land with 9 time zones.
. . . subjects" of a "foreign nation or government" . . .
. . . invasion or predatory incursion . . .
This will surely surprise you, but Venezuelan citizens are actually subjects of a foreign nation; and a crime wave by tens of thousand persons is most certainly a predatory incursion.
Facts not in evidence. Faulty argument rejected.
Claims not supported by TDS-addled lying pile of shit.
Look at the Trump defender who doesn't understand words like "subjects" "predatory" and "incursion".
Oh the fucking irony.
Enlighten the class on how those don’t apply.
Is the problem that Trump is claiming the courts don't get to review AEA actions?
Is that it? Is the big deal all over Trump spouting some shit? Tons of people every day have differing views of what the law allows. This is normal
Because the courts are reviewing whether or not that is true. And the administration is cooperating with this review.
This is a nothing burger article written to raise more panic over Trump's 'ignoring the law's - which the courts have so far shown that he is not actually doing.
Where's the foreigners 'right' to this country. Instead of playing the defensive line all the time from aggressive foreigners? How about this; where's the law that entitles them to the USA?
I’d ask you to look up positive rights vs negative rights, but because I suggested it you have now added it to the list of things you are willfully ignorant of. You know, things like economics, math, history, logic, business, and anything else that would cause you to question your god emperor Trump.
TJJ2000 is an odd fish, braying about liberty and opposed to government coercion yet all in favour of nazionalism when the right kind of nazionalists are in charge.
Shrike thinks having a border is a nazi policy.
Which means every country in the world is run by Nazis. Nobody ever claimed shrike was intelligent though, did they?
As-if there was something wrong with being a U.S. patriot in the USA instead of a blind buffoon of self-serving signaling manipulations.
Say. Did you two find that law that entitles foreigners to the USA yet? Or did you both think your distractions would work?
You're a US patriot in the same way that Nazis were German patriots.
That is a poor line of argument (without getting into the conclusion you use it for) There can exist positive rights with no negative , as in a child's right to be raised by its biological parents but no negative without a positive. When you think of what natural law is and the Declaration's "endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights" a positive right MUST have priority. negative rights require government
but government must restrain ITSELF
By the way many must have laughed at how unwittingly you invoked Freedom of Religion by calling Trump God. Do you even read what you write ???? 🙂
Where's the law that entitles you to breathe?
Lying Jeffy just equated illegally crossing the border to breathing.
Who does that?
A psychopath, that’s who.
It’s like a couple weeks ago he equated deporting people to Marxism.
I’ll bet if the DOJ investigated him that they would find he guilty of a number of crimes.
Inherent Individual Rights ... duh.
I don't have to be *ENTITLED* to someone else's nation to breathe.
And if I did it wouldn't be a 'right' at all because I have no rights to it.
OH! OH!
The steaming pile of TDS-addled lying shit now finds he can move the goal-posts and gripe about this!
Sullum, get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick; fuck off and die, asswipe.
But please, make sure your cheering family tells only me where they plugged your pathetic ass in the ground. I don't want to stand in line to piss on your grave.
Where in the law does it say there has to be a war declared between the US and another nation before the POTUS can enact the AEA? It doesn't. Who does the law state who's judgment is used to determine if the AEA is warranted and enacted? The POTUS'. It doesn't say that the potus' judgment is to be second guessed by a court either, nor does it state a potus has to get permission from a court before enacting the AEA.
Nothing in the AEA states the US has to declare a foreign nation as a hostile nation or government before it can be enacted. It doesnt even "seem" to make that requirement. It bothers me that so many people lack reading comprehension.