Trump Tests the Limits of Executive Orders
Making policy and passing laws is supposed to be difficult and should be left to the messy channels established by the Constitution.

Well before President Donald Trump returned to office, his supporters boasted that he would start the second term with a flurry of executive actions. The new president exceeded expectations with an avalanche of pardons, orders, and edicts on matters great and small. Wide-ranging in their scope, the orders "encompassed sweeping moves to reimagine the country's relationship with immigration, its economy, global health, the environment and even gender roles," noted USA Today.
Some should be welcomed by anybody hoping for more respect for liberty by government employees. Others extend state power in ways that are worrisome or even illegitimate. All continue the troubling trend, over the course of decades and administrations from both major parties, for the president to assume the role of an elected monarch.
Because executive branch officials interpret and enforce thickets of laws and administrative rules under which we try to live, guidance from the boss is powerful. Interpreted one way, a rule regulating unfinished gun parts leaves people free to pursue their hobbies; interpreted another, those owning the parts are suddenly felons. The president can push interpretations either way.
Executive orders are basically interoffice memos from the boss to executive branch agencies. That doesn't sound like much—and at first, historically, they weren't. Executive orders evolved into their modern form from notes and directives sent by the president to members of the Cabinet and other executive branch officials. Nobody tried to catalog them until 1907.
"If it seems as if more recent presidents have had more power than even Washington or Lincoln, it's not an illusion," Harvard Law School's Erin Peterson wrote in 2019. "The last three presidents in particular have strengthened the powers of the office," including through executive orders.
President Joe Biden, who took office in 2021, was told to "ease up on the executive actions, Joe" by even the sympathetic editors of The New York Times after a flurry of executive orders that set a new record up to that point. "These directives," the Times editors wrote, "are a flawed substitute for legislation." Sympathetic to his policies, they pointed out the orders could be reversed by a future executive.
Inevitably, and understandably, many of Trump's actions upon assuming office for the second time have involved reversing Biden's orders—some of which had themselves nullified Trump's first-term actions. It's a battle of government by decree with the advantage going to whoever currently holds the presidency and a pen.
Some of Trump's executive orders are very welcome, indeed, for those of us horrified by federal agencies pushing the boundaries of their power.
"The vicious, violent, and unfair weaponization of the Justice Department and our government will end," Trump said in his inaugural address regarding an order intended to punish politically motivated use of government power. "I also will sign an executive order to immediately stop all government censorship and bring back free speech to America," he added of another.
But other orders seek to exercise power beyond the boundaries of presidential authority—or even the power of the federal government. One executive order purports to redefine birthright citizenship so as to exclude those who are born to foreign parents illegally, or legally but temporarily, in the United States.
"This is blatantly unconstitutional," argued George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin, since the 14th Amendment "grants citizenship to anyone 'born….in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' There is no exception for children of illegal migrants." The issue has also been addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the past, which found that the provision applies to anybody subject to American law—basically, all nondiplomats.
Likewise, wrote Somin, Trump's plan to invoke the Alien Enemies Act to deport immigrants who commit crimes runs afoul of the fact that the U.S. is "not in a 'declared war' with any foreign nation."
These issues will be hashed out in court. But flaws in these ideas could have been exposed during congressional testimony and debate. It's especially difficult to justify many of these orders given that Republicans hold the majority in both houses of Congress. But even if the legislature was divided or controlled by Democrats, the federal government consists of three branches intended to slow action and encourage deliberation.
Trump is on firm and even welcome ground when he uses his presidential power to rein in executive agencies and undo the excesses of his predecessor. But making policy and passing laws is supposed to be difficult and should be left to the messy channels established by the Constitution.
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Making policy and passing laws is supposed to be difficult and should be left to the messy channels established by the Constitution.
Have you not noticed that that process has been in a state of collapse for decades? Members of Congress have to constantly push stupid, pandering legislation in order to get re-elected by stupid voters. And they have to avoid responsibility for the results of that by pushing more authority onto the executive branch. Want to fix that? Two good ways to start would be getting rid of primary elections—go back to letting party officials select candidates rather than the Dumb Masses—and term limits.
If Congress won't do their job then Trump should be able to legislate by decree. If you don't think he should be able to dictate the law then you support lawfare.
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of lying lefty shit.
Do those clouds ever respond to you after you yell at them?
Go sleep it off you retarded bitch.
Congress does not pass legislation because of voters. Voters are irrelevant and powerless in the US. Incumbents are powerful and indeed in some states, incumbents choose their constituents via gerrymandering.
Tommy can you hear me?
The issue has also been addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the past, which found that the provision applies to anybody subject to American law—basically, all nondiplomats.
Except, of course, in Wong Kim Ark, the parents were legal residents of the country. Y'know, if you bothered to take two seconds to look, you'd have found that there actually are counterarguments to Somin's position. I suppose that would have gotten in the way of just regurgitating the "popular" position. it would be terrible to even mention unpopular positions in defense of liberty.
J.d. also doesn't realize congress can pass unconstitutional laws. There are many constitutional lawyers on both the left and the right whi believe jus solis was not granted by the 14th. They see this in many of the temporal statements and continued other cases that kept extending the unpacked jus solis doctrine.
These cases, constitutional arguments and others have been posted here many times. But reason continues to straight rely on ignorance as the core of their argument.
We see this with their new found love affair with congressional laws attempting to modify article 2 powers over staffing the executive, despite 2 ruling this decade saying congress can't affect those with laws.
Reason has no interest in actually discovery of their views. Like most beltway libertarians they wrap the left leaning arguments in a veneer if analysis and ignore any counter arguments.
They also shoe a banal understanding of how Congress works. J.d. says a small majority in Congress is enough for congressional action. This shows his dishonesty completely.
Reason used to agree Congress could overstep their constitutional bounds. But apparently that's been forgotten as well.
HOW does one "shoe a banal"? Does shit require the services of a fairy farrier? When one tries to shoe a banal, will the banal put up with it peacefully, or does the banal usually have to be tranquilized first?
Yeah Trump is following that messy constitutional process by finally getting a decision from the Supreme Court. An EO that was guaranteed to be challenged is the quickest path.
That's not a bad idea. Maybe Congress should have a class of legislation that forces quick review by the judiciary. Hell maybe some form of citizens assembly should be able to pass something that forces judiciary to opine on legislature or executive
Just give any citizen the right to challenge the Constitutionality of a law in court. Get rid of the "standing" crap.
Yeah, the lawyers would love that.
Less extreme but still allowing much more leeway to use courts is what Hayek called Rechtsstaat. Restricting standing can be used to elevate 'rule of law' over 'constitutional rights'. For that matter so can restricting courts solely to issues of law rather than equity. The French identify an extreme of that the legal state (état légal). Where in a democracy or with universal suffrage, the law can become majoritarian and the state can then tread on the individual or the minority.
With the Rechtsstaat, the legislature is itself limited. It can't violate constitutional or individual rights. The executive is limited to what the law says. The judiciary is set up to check both the executive and the legislative. Everything is reviewed independently and subject to appeal. Everything requires transparency so that the individual can see how everything is being applied.
Course 'the problem' is that constitutional/individual rights need to be defined expansively. Not frozen in 1789 concrete or defined so vaguely that anything can go to court. And the US is really bad at comprehensively defining individual rights.
With the Rechtsstaat, the legislature is itself limited. It can't violate constitutional or individual rights.
That's the same as our "system". How's it working?
It's not the same as our system. The best example is a fixed legislature for 110 years based solely on legislation from 100 years ago and the absence of anything requiring an increase. Our system requires supermajority constitutional amendments. A rechtsstaat system would require the legislature to act if, for example, judiciary would decide that constitutional rights of individuals to representation are being denied/diminished by that failure to act. Other examples are 'Chevron deference' because we don't have courts that are both independent AND competent to adjudicate administrative/agency decision.
The other thing re violating constitutional or individual rights is the massive limitation of what those rights are.
We've got a set of individual rights from 1789 Bill of Rights
And one 'right' from the 9th amendment that is truly useless because it doesn't define anything and the SC has said that whatever someone might construe in there as a 'right' does not make it a right in the courts view. Nor does it give standing and nor should it because its a big nothingburger legally.
We've got a set of individual rights from 1789 Bill of Rights
Human rights never change. They were the same in 1789 BC.
Human rights should be expanding not static.
Just to state the obvious changes. Whatever you view as human rights in 1789 only applied then to free white Anglo-Saxon men of property
How they were applied is different from whether they existed. Law and practice does not create nor destroy rights.
J.D. TUCCILLE... Please clarify... Do you consider "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley" (using the mob, and without the benefits of open trials) to be in keeping with the USA cunts-tits-tuition?
What does that have to do with anything?
So if the USA cunts-tits-tuition has nothing to say about USA Emperors feeling free to casually bless and cummand mob-based political violence, then I suppose that NOTHING has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING. If that's your stance, I'll try me very best to SNOT bless random mob-based political violence against you.
(I for one would dearly love to see Dear Leader trying to display the same self-restraint.)
To be clear about shit, One Supreme Cummander laying down the Law of the Land with one pen and one phone does concern me. Twat cuntcerns me even far more is One Supreme Cummander laying down the Law of the Land with one egged-on mob and one makeshift, makeshit gallows!!!
What is it with you and your turrets syndrome commenting style??
Being full of mercy, I like to give the marching morons an easy "out", so that they can feelz GOOD about themselves, even though they can SNOT refute the cuntents of twat I say!
Cuntgratulations, my beamish boy! You have slain the bander-snatch, and found the easy-sleazy out! If'n PertvFected Ye cunt refute twat I say, Ye can SLAY my STYLE!!!
J.D. missed entirely Congress delegating it's legislating writing power, to the executive branch, as Nancy Pelosi and pubic readings of the Obamacare statute show. Remember "We have to sign the bill to find out what's in it" from Nancy? This was done by Congress because they didn't want to write the law so people would know what our government was doing until it was too late, and assumed whoever was president would write a law that benefits the political class instead of private citizens.
J.D. might have mentioned this, and that executive orders are nothing more than the president's interpretation of and how the president intends to enforce the law. Congress gave him this power, now the political class regrets it since Trump is president, and using it against them. Good news.
That's going to lead to Congress writing the laws rather than delegating the writing to the president. And it's going to inhibit Congress from passing laws that benefit the political class, since it's hard for politicians to vote for laws that benefit the political class at everyone else's expense.
Otherwise, I'd like to thank Reason for a balanced article not infected with TDS.
The other thing JD misses is that all the EOs for Trump outside a few use the language of doing the minimum except required by the constitution or law. He is actually pursuing a reduction of executive scope for the vast majority of his EOS. A de minimus strategy to reduce federal power while paying respect to the actual constitution. Unlike Obamas and Bidens where the EOs were almost always expansionary in power.
Reduce regulations. Reduce spending. Reduce areas the federal government is involved.
Starting unprovoked trade wars and border wars against un-American goods and against illegal sub-humans is now "...doing the minimum except required by the constitution or law..."?
In twat universe?
That's a matter of opinion whether the trade wars were "unprovoked" or not. I agree that trade and border wars are a very bad idea, though, whether provoked or not.
Otherwise, I'd like to thank Reason for a balanced article not infected with TDS.
It's not balanced. It's not frothing-at-the-mouth TDS, but it's Reason's bog-standard "When the Administration cuts stuff I want them to cut, all is right and good and those other people are just bigoted cultural warriors. When the administration tries to stem spending and cut policy I approve of they automatically go to far and should be subject to the inaction on the issue that Congress has effected for almost 4 decades. BOAF SIDEZ."
Still very "The message isn't that our message is obviously terrible, unfair, dishonest, and unpopular, it's just that we didn't sell it well enough." Open borders was a massive loser... even among immigrants... from here to the Donbas... but J.D.'s sure Trump's EOs go too far.
Once again, fair and balanced would be highlighting how cuts DOGE is making and Congress should support should motivate action on immigration. Cut federal education spending and social security so that borders are less consequential but that doesn't keep Libertarian-Identifying Democractic Socalists hot and bothered.
Sorry, but when were our borders EVER open? I've searched throughout our history and immigration has been limited and with various quotas ever since 1875.
Yeah, on paper it's been limited, but on the ground, enforcement has so lax that anyone can just walk in and stay. That's open borders.
Speaking of making borders less consequential and BOAF SIDEZ! -
Supreme Court wary of Mexico's fight against US gunmakers
Where is Reason at? Mexicans don't have guns to defend themselves and the cartels are taking over. Now they're suing and appealing in our courts to bankrupt our gun manufacturers.
This is how a/the real "both sides" is supposed to work; Mexico's (or China's) gun laws get more liberal, the US's drug, education, and/or social security apparatuses dissolve such that the border becomes as meaningless as the border between
IL and WIIN and KY or ND and SD.That Mexico gets to push gun control on US soil and the US gets to spend taxpayer dollars to expand it's own social safety net is neither even-handed between cultures nor libertarian.
Sad to report JD has become a racist.
In an article about excessive orders, he completely ignores the black man who sort of invented the whole process.
ctl f 'Obama' 0/0
The Demon-Craps did shit first and did shit worst, so TWATEVER "Team R" does, is GREAT! THIS is how we Move Forwards, Progressive Cumrade! Cuntgratulations on Your Progressive Thoughts!
Straw man SQRLSY. No one here has ever said that. For example, there are a large number of actions Trump has taken that I objected to and a large number of actions Trump could take in the future that I would object to and even resist physically, regardless of what shit the Democrats did first. What we are saying here is that the Democrats have no moral or logic high ground to stand upon when THEY object to Trump's actions because THEY DID SOMETHING SIMILAR AND FAR WORSE FIRST. All clear now?
"No one here has ever said that."
There is a CONSTANT chorus here of "what about Hillary" (or Obama or Biden, Anti-FA, etc.), and VERY few (if any) apologies when Trump does it! The objective seems to be to "shout down" principled libertarians who object when EITHER side does something bad! If they don't SAY it, they sure heavily IMPLY it! Hypocritical tribalism runs deep; sociobiologically deep!
For more on the politics of sociobiology and tribalism, and associated "do-gooder derogation", see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/
he completely ignores the black man who sort of invented the whole process.
If *The* Black Protagonist can be whitewashed, what black protagonist can't be?
Analogously: Ctrl+f 'doge' 0/0
The President too rampantly and chaotically reducing the number of people obligated to carry out his EOs tests the limits of EOs.
Well you have just proven - you're the bigot. The 'black Prez' issued fewer EO's than every other Prez in the 'EO Era'
Executive Orders by President
The Extreme EO Era (early days)
FDR - 307/year
Hoover - 251/year
Wilson - 225/year
Harding - 217/year
Coolidge - 215/year
Taft - 181/year
TR - 145/year
Truman - 117/year
Trump 2nd term is easily in this category and topping FDR with 82 so far in six weeks
Post-WW2 EO Era (all per year)
Carter - 80
JFK - 75
Ford - 69
LBJ - 63
Nixon - 62
Eisenhower - 61
Trump 1 - 55
Reagan - 48
Clinton - 46
GHW Bush - 42
Biden - 41
GW Bush - 36
Obama - 35
The reason fewer are issued now is because EO's are not issued within the Executive Office of the Presidency. They are only issued by the Prez to Cabinet departments. The pre-EO era acknowledged the Constitution - that the Cabinet/departments are not micromanaged by the Prez. The Prez nominates and appoints them - and then delegates. The extreme EO era was when there was only a small ExecOffice of the Prez so the Prez had to issue orders himself.
Cool story bro. You do understand that as a Hamas supporter and Jew hater, that you are the bigot? Not any of us.
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“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/ and https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sex-animals-bestiality-farm-cows-horses-richard-decker-new-jersey-a9152136.html
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
Punk Boogers / R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
The pathological interpretation of the 14th amendment needs to be challenged in SCOTUS, so the associated EO has merit if it brings that issue to the courts.
I would also say that lower courts issuing ex parte judgements on the Exec also needs to be fleshed out in SCOTUS.
Challenging Trump's power is lawfare. Besides, whatabout Obama and Biden, huh? Whatabout them? Whatabout what they did? Whatabout? Whatabout whatabout? Whatabout? See? That makes anything Trump does ok.
Yes, this! And shit ALSO makes OK, twatever murderers do, ass OJ Simpson hath blazed a Shining Path Forwards for us all!!!
Whatabout OJ Simpson? He got away with murder, so I should be able to freely murder folks that I don’t like ass well!
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
*Trump Tests the Limits of Executive Orders*
Reason is testing the limits of my patience for the same article repackaged six times a week. (See: This afternoon's banner article, "DOGE Has Good Intentions But Is Really Bad Because of ______")
Until Trump orders the military to enforce his EO's and the boys in green magically obey, the process is playing out exactly the way it has for the last 20 years. The Supreme Court will reign in a lot, and a lot will go through with the blessing of all three branches of the government. If you don't like it, build a time machine and impeach Emperor Obama.
In other words...
Yes, in other words you’re a stupid, drunk, leftist bitch that has nothing of value to contribute.
The Demon-Craps and Oh-Bummer did shit first and did shit worst, so TWATEVER "Team R" does, is GREAT! THIS is how we Move Forwards, Progressive Cumrade! Cuntgratulations on Your Progressive Thoughts!
And a lot will go through with the blessing of all of the mobs of howling, lies-and-propaganda-enraged mobs of Trumpanzees Gone Apeshit! Hang Mike Pence! Execute General Milley!
If you don't like it, build a time machine and impeach Emperor Obama.
Back a party to win a single national-level election.
Opposite side of the same coin: If we're talking about some sort of unforeseen existential issue, e.g. COVID or terrorism/GWOT, the "My vote doesn't matter." effete can be forgiven. If we're talking about the nuanced intricacies of policy, like birthright citizenship, that haven't effectively diminished any other country one way or the other, you can either choose to sit and spin on your "My vote doesn't matter." demeanor or you can have it crammed up your ass sideways.
They whole dishonest, whiny, bitch move of "I wanted pizza but I didn't want mushroom!" after "I don't care what kind of pizza we get." should be smacked out of adults who didn't grow out of it by the age of 12-13. Democracy is hard enough even without your destructive, entitled "People should just read my mind and do what I mean." bullshit.
LMFAO. There it is. Didn't even have to wait until the afternoon:
"DOGE Goes Deep State" by Eric Boehm
Tuccille is a lying pile of TDS-addled shit who should do the world a favor: Fuck off and die, asshole.
Payback is going to be a real bitch in 2028 when the pendulum swings left.
It no longer matters who started this, but this is wrecking the structure of the Constitutional government that we were bequeathed and are responsible for maintaining.
The Constitutional structure was wrecked over a period of decades. This is a last-gasp effort to restore it. I believe it will fail and the collapse of our country will continue.
""The Constitutional structure was wrecked over a period of decades. ""
Can we say centuries?
One more cheerleader for the current mess. Fuck off and die.
It's okay with me if the politicians put each other in prison with weaponized government. It's not okay with me if they use weaponized government against the rest of The People. I see the current executive action as the only current alternative to armed insurrection by The People, which should of course be avoided if at all possible. Once the dogs of war are loosed no one knows where it will end. If Trump is serious about destroying the ten worst cabinet-level departments and most of their spending, regulations and personnel, it will be very difficult IF the pendulum swings left in 2028 for them to put the genie back in the bottle.
But we don't know whether it'll swing left. That's going to depend on how pleased swing voters are by then with Republicans in federal office. I think we can be fairly sure the pendulum won't swing left within the GOP — but you never know even that. So it'll be Trump's job to satisfy and to groom successors.
"Libertarians" - Nolan Chart. Horseshoe Theory.
Also "Libertarians" - The pendulum only swings Right or Left.
Because of course nobody could consider "Just a little bit of government funding and protection for chemical castration of children." by someone who wore a mask well after getting vaccinated and it was obvious COVID wasn't a threat to be a panicky-knee jerk, non-conventional authoritarian.
How so? Can you be specific?
Use of executive orders in place of the full legislative process. The blame for this is evenly divided between a series of politically motivated Presidents and a culture of cowardice in the Congress.
And the American people can take the blame too for buying the lies that they can have it all and that someone else will pay for it. That, and neglecting that in any community, there needs to be a degree of compromise if we are to get along without eventually resorting to widespread bloodshed. Both ends of the conventional left-right spectrum need to get over being so smug that either science or God support their prejudices and insanities. We have a libertarian federal constitution, and all parties need to hew to that if we're going to get along in a nation of a third of a billion people.
Finally, I would commend to all here an excellent interview with Fetterman that appeared in the Wall Street Journal this weekend: the cheap-shots and laugh-lines need to end. And that includes amongst the commentariat here.
"These directives are a flawed substitute for legislation."
This is false. Congress legislated the transfer of all this power to the Executive branch. Executive orders are instructions to the executive branch concerning how to carry out those laws and implement those regulations. At any time the legislative branch can repeal or amend those laws and the regulations and executive branch offices they enacted. If they decline, then the President can issue those orders and questions about them would have to be resolved by the Judiciary.
Article 2 baby. The President is responsible for managing the bureaucracy. Our government is unusual in that it has a strong Executive on equal footing with Congress. Exerting control over it is their prerogative.