Kash Patel's Threats Against Journalists Make Him an Alarming Choice To Run the FBI
"We're gonna come after the people in the media," the Trump stalwart warns. "Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out."

Kash Patel, President-elect Donald Trump's pick to replace Christopher Wray as director of the FBI, has threatened to "come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens" and "helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections." What exactly does he mean by that? Given the position that Patel will hold if he is confirmed by the Senate, the answer could have serious implications not only for the anti-Trump journalists he has in mind but also for freedom of the press generally.
Patel, a former defense attorney and federal prosecutor who held national security positions during Trump's first term, made those remarks during a December 2023 interview with former Trump strategist Steve Bannon. He was responding to this question from Bannon:
Do you feel confident that you will be able to deliver the goods, that we can have serious prosecutions and accountability? And I want the Morning Joe producers that watch us and all the producers that watch us [to understand] this is not just rhetoric. We're absolutely dead serious. You cannot have a constitutional republic and allow what these deep-staters have done to the country. The deep state—the administrative state, the fourth branch of government, never mentioned in the Constitution—is going to be taken apart brick by brick. And the people that did these evil deeds will be held accountable and prosecuted—criminal prosecutions….Do you believe you can deliver the goods on this in a pretty short order, the first couple of months, so we can get rolling on prosecutions?
Absolutely, Patel said: "We will go out and find the conspirators—not just in government, but in the media. Yes, we're gonna come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections. We're gonna come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out. But yeah, we're putting all of you on notice. And Steve, this is why they hate us. This is why we're tyrannical. This is why we're dictators. Because we're actually gonna use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have."
What "crimes" did Patel have in mind? Lying about people might, depending upon the circumstances, amount to defamation, but it is not a crime, and any civil remedy for it would depend on lawsuits by the affected individuals, not the Justice Department. Rigging elections, if it involves the sort of fraud that Trump claims denied him his rightful victory in 2020, is a crime. But Trump never presented any evidence to substantiate his stolen-election fantasy, which in any case did not involve journalists who allegedly dumped phony ballots or manipulated vote counts.
Patel's comments earlier in the interview shed light on the sort of lying and rigging he imagines could justify civil or criminal sanctions. The "radical left-wing media" are "saying Donald Trump is going to dare to use the DOJ and FBI to act out acts of political vengeance," he said. "The only difference is the left knows they're the ones that broke the law. They're the ones that did Russiagate. They're the ones that wrote the 51 intel letter. They're the ones that lied to the American public over and over again to rig a presidential election."
According to Patel, then, news outlets "broke the law" by promoting unfounded allegations of nefarious connections between the 2016 Trump campaign and the Russian government. He think they also "broke the law" by falsely intimating that revelations from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop were phony, as suggested by the 2020 letter from 51 former intelligence officials who averred that the story had "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." In his 2023 book Government Gangsters, Patel says "the Biden campaign and the media were running a coordinated smear campaign trying to discredit the Hunter Biden accusations," which was "a monumental rig job."
As Patel sees it, such reporting was not just erroneous but deliberately deceitful. More likely, it was strongly influenced by an anti-Trump bias that led journalists to abandon their skepticism and embrace baseless claims that either hurt him or helped his opponent.
The latter explanation is closer to the one that Patel offers in Government Gangsters. "Gullible people in the media and beyond seemed to actually believe the lies they were peddling" about the Trump campaign's purported "collusion" with Russia, he writes. Discussing the "Trump Dossier" compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, Patel says "anybody with half a brain who wasn't totally deranged by hatred of Trump could tell that the dossier was a total fiction," but "the mainstream media had already long ago jettisoned journalistic integrity in their mission to destroy Trump."
No matter how you explain these journalistic failures, none of this is a crime. With limited exceptions such as defamation, which requires "actual malice" when it involves public figures, the First Amendment protects the right of journalists to report the news as they see fit, even when their reporting is unbalanced, unfair, or inaccurate. Getting a story wrong is not a crime, and any attempt to treat it as such would be blatantly unconstitutional.
Patel further illuminates his beef with the "radical left-wing media" in Government Gangsters, where he complains that Washington Post columnist David Ignatius "reported that I could have been under investigation for improperly disclosing classified information." That article, Patel says, was "the definition of disinformation," relying on "two possible anonymous individuals who refused to give their names because they knew they were spouting lies." He notes that it "was written with carefully crafted verbiage," such that "a perceptive reader would see that Ignatius made no actual definitive fact claims but was really just spreading rumors in official sounding language."
That concession, a perceptive reader would see, is fatal to any claim that Ignatius defamed Patel, which at the very least would require a false statement of fact. Patel says he told Ignatius "the so-called investigation never began," but "he didn't write that" and instead "allowed the disinformation campaign he started to spread." He adds that "if such an investigation really did exist, it would be a clear example of the two-tiered justice system in America, because the Justice Department did absolutely NOTHING to prosecute the near daily leakers of classified information in the Trump administration—leakers that not only damaged the Trump presidency but harmed American national security."
When Patel talks about "people in the media who lied about American citizens," in other words, he is talking about journalists like Ignatius and victims like himself. And his reference to leakers, which seems odd in this case because he insists there was nothing to leak, is consistent with Trump's threats against journalists who rely on confidential government sources to write stories that make him look bad.
What should be done in such a situation? "You take the writer and/or the publisher of the paper," Trump explained at a 2022 rally in Texas, "and you say, 'Who is the leaker? National security.'" When that journalist refuses to divulge his source, Trump continued, he should be threatened with jail, and "when this person realizes he's going to be the bride of another prisoner very shortly, he will say, 'I'd very much like to tell you exactly who that leaker is!'"
As Patel tells it, anti-Trump journalists are acting in concert with the "Deep State" in a "corrupt cabal of entrenched interests," which makes them "conspirators" worthy of prosecution. "What exactly is this 'Deep State' that I speak of?" he writes in Government Gangsters. "Some of the characters in this book are elected leaders. Others are yellow journalists in the media who serve as peddlers of propaganda and disinformation at the behest of the ruling elites."
Patel elaborated on that theme during a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) last February. "There is no deep state, there are no government gangsters, without some of their corrupt actors in the media who continue to print the lies about Donald Trump's success…and about our America First movement," he declared. "We [have to] collectively join forces to take on the most powerful enemy that the United States has ever seen. And no, it's not Washington, D.C. It's the mainstream media and these people out there in the fake news. That is our mission!"
If you thought that Trump's repeated threats to punish his political opponents once he was back in power were nothing but bluster, Patel is here to correct that misimpression. Patel scoffs at the fear that Trump is bent on "acts of political vengeance" even while promising that very thing. He thinks it is absurd to portray Trump as "tyrannical" yet insists that punishing people for exercising their First Amendment rights, a clear example of tyranny, would somehow amount to "us[ing] the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes."
Patel portrays himself as a crusader against the "two-tiered justice system" and what Republicans call the "weaponization of government." He promises that the Trump administration will clean house at the FBI and the DOJ, purging them of political perversion and dedicating them to fighting real crime. But at the same time, he says he and his colleagues will find some way—"whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out"—to "come after" journalists who "lied to the American public" and thereby "rig[ged] a presidential election."
It is not hard to see why Ronald Collins, editor of a First Amendment newsletter hosted by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, calls Patel "a clear and present danger to freedom of the press." Collins quotes University of Minnesota law professor Jane Kirtley, who adds: "If Kash Patel becomes the director of the FBI, it will mark the apotheosis of the concerted attack on the independent media which has been brewing for more than 20 years. Vengeance and retribution will be the order of the day."
Assuming Patel gets as far as a confirmation hearing, senators are apt to ask him how he can reconcile his plans to target Trump's critics with his avowed respect for the Constitution and an FBI director's obligation to abide by the rule of law. At that point, he will have two choices: He can cite specific statutes that he thinks those journalists have violated and defend his reasoning, or he can portray his comments as nothing more than podcast bombast and CPAC silliness.
If Patel goes the latter route, senators should keep in mind Bannon's warning: "This is not just rhetoric. We're absolutely dead serious."
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It's better when the FBI works WITH media, having a corner office next to Jack Dorsey where they can block and screen offensive material in good faith.
No. It is better when you raid a journalists home like OKeefe or issue warrants against journalists like Joe and Barack did. Never say anything mean, just do.
Yeah, Sullum hasn’t said shit about conservative journalists who have actually been persecuted by the current regime. He can go fuck himself with this pearl clutching.
Also no articles about Mackey. Weird.
Or The Blaze's Steve Baker
"Fuck off, Sullum" is how every comment below this retarded dishonest article should start.
Hopefully he is the first in the gulag
Ima sure Sullum cheered it on. He really is a craven piece of shit.
All that is overshadowed by a relatively unknown blogger in Texas who was threatened with jail in relation for trying to dox people.
He's got pearls? Steal them!
Yeah, that's just a combination of pRIvAte ComPAnieS, and the FBI agents exorcising their first amendment rights.
Can we suggest journalists for him to go after?
Umm, asking for a friend.
It would be better if the FBI was completely disbanded..
and never replaced.
Articles like this are why I let my Reason membership expire.
fuck you Flowers By Irene went after my mom because she hates abortion and loves Jesus. how's it taste?
Well, Jacob, you're in the soup now!
Sullum, your TDS is showing, but I’m guessing you’re past the point of caring.
If I donate to Reason will they get Jakey boy the psychological help he needs before he harms himself or someone else?
Also, Jakey-Boy where were you yesterday morning? Hanging out in front of any hotels in NYC? Just asking a question.
Sullum is a deranged regime cuck.
I would be okay with jakey harming himself
I wouldn’t mind it if he harmed himself. All leftists should.
"come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens"
I remember the media treatment of Kyle Rittenhouse and Nick Sandmann.
Yeah, fuck 'em.
You dirty smear merchants are going to prison, Sullum.
Robby seemed pretty OK with the Kash Patel pick yesterday on his show. So did Matt Petti in his article yesterday.
They weren’t propagandists for a coup attempt like Sullum was.
200+ articles telling us we were all crazy for being suspicious of that 8 million out of nowhere that was never seen again.
Jacob Sullum is an agent of the state, even if just voluntarily.
Or how we should not be concerned that after a MONTH of counting (with to no evidence of it ending), they have knocked Trump's popular vote lead below 3M.
They are STILL cheating. And fuckwad the dipshit writing here does not care because Trump hurt his precious feelings.
So did a quick search on reason. One article featuring James O'Keefe but not regarding the FBI raiding his house.
Don't see any articles from Sullum about Joe and Barack issuing warrants against journalists.
So mean words are the most important thing? What a conservative might do instead of what democrats actually do?
And no sarc, nobody is saying Patel should raid journalists. But if you were quiet about the actual instances you have zero right to complain about future imagined instances.
"We will go out and find the conspirators—not just in government, but in the media. Yes, we're gonna come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections. We're gonna come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out.
Didn't you support the 1.5B libel suit against Alex Jones? Against Giulliani? Against Fox?
Because we're actually gonna use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have."
Oh. So he's going to do so constitutionally. Will he even create novel legal theories like you supported vs Trump?
I sense some hypocrisy here Jake.
Oh. So he's going to do so constitutionally.
And we can totally trust Kash Patel to be absolutely faithful to the actual Constitution, and not to the imaginary MAGA Constitution that is in his head.
Will he even create novel legal theories like you supported vs Trump?
And when, not if, he does such a thing, you will be his biggest cheerleader.
Awww, poor commie doesn't like the thought of his own chosen tactics turned against him and his ilk.
Jeff believes strongly in unilateral lawfare.
You believe in lawfare, if it helps your team.
You cleary didn't understand his comment.
Yes we know, Team Red deserves the infinite benefit of the doubt.
When Team Blue goes after journalists, it is an affront to the Constitution.
When Team Red goes after journalists, it is to clean up corruption and to make America great again.
How can you be opposed to making America great?????
Team Red is pure and noble and awesome and should never be criticized. All praise Team Red.
To reiterate, you clearly did not understand the comment. Of course, such comprehension is beyond your feeble mind there, Jeffy.
Your snark is much closer to the truth than anything you actually assert here. You have been proven a leftist liar here hundreds of times over.
Jesse is irony man. He condemns others for doing what he is doing while he is doing it.
As you and Jeffey are protecting those who already did what you criticize others for maybe doing in the future. It's too bad your finely honed irony meter seems to fail when pointed at Dems and other leftists.
He doesn't know what irony means.
But he lives and loves hypocrisy.
What am I doing sarc?
Are you as retarded as jeff?
Again.
You and Jeff defend bad actors like jack smith who was rebuked TWICE at the USSC vs Trump.
Then you and Jeff demand better behaviors for what you believe actions MAY be in the future, not actual actions that have occurred.
You two really are fucking retards lol.
I'll add irony to the list of words whose definition eludes you.
If everyone mutes that lonely neckbeard boy and his lying friend, we adults can speak among ourselves.
There’s no reason to reply to those people - they’re just seeking attention - don’t give it.
The left can't meme.
You protect those who engaged in lawfare when it was by your team.
Jeff literally defended Capitol officers shooting a woman because she was trespassing lol. Sarc defended the same officer for shooting blind.
They are ridiculous people.
And yes sarc, I can cite both of your comments.
You define lawfare as "using the law against Team Red" and complain it is bad, but when it is "using the law against Team Blue" you call that 'justice'.
Imagine if someone said arresting murderers is wrong because that means you support kidnapping.
Yes, getting rid of corruption is justice. And it's necessary.
It's absurd how extreme the left's allegiance is to itself. This happens because left wingers are incapable of focusing on a functioning system. They've been trained that their only focus should be their hatred for the right and they're just not capable of seeing anything other than what they were told.
No, you see Republicans never deserve the benefit of the doubt because they’re driven by icky things like religion. Democrats are driven by good intentions so it wasn’t corruption.
No, dipshit, "lawfare" is using the legal system against Team Whoever, *in a corrupt way*.
It's been used against "Team Red," it's been used against Rittenhouse and Daniel Perry for taking down bad guys, it was ready to deploy against those gun-brandishing goofballs during the Summer of Riots (until they pleaded "But we're Team Blue!" and the charges and story magically went away)... it's also been used against Assange (who is hardly Team Red, although somehow he became one of their avatars anyway... which should point out which "team" is at least a *little* more consistent in its reasoning), it's been used against No Labels, Green Party, Libertarian Party... anything that could be considered a threat to the undeserving tyrants who wield power.
If Fauci and the CIA used gain of function and unleashed Covid, they damned well OUGHT to be held accountable. If media and tech censored at the government's behest, the government agents and bureaucrats responsible should be held accountable for deprivation of civil liberties under color of law and be permanently banned for life from ANY government service, as well as from any NGO or government front group, and to top it all off, ban them from anything that gets even $1 from government.
If Hunter and Joe were selling government favors, hold them accountable for treason. Funny how the left always escapes "contempt of Congress" but never the right. Either the unidirectional lawfare bullshit ends, or none of us are going to give a shit if there's any "fascism" pointed at the likes of you, because quite frankly YOU ALL KIND OF FUCKING DESERVE IT for the last 4 years (really the last 100+ years, but the past 4 have been particularly egregious).
The shoe is on the other foot now, chemjeff.
Lying Jeffy just likes to make up stuff so he can slander people not in his tribe.
See: directly above.
He also likes to make up the meaning of words to fit his reality.
So much projection
*sniffles*
Sounds rough for you.
Do not bitch when the rules you advocate for become the rules for all. YOU supported this shit when it happened to those you do not like.
I want to see, say, the tranny activists who "occupied" bathrooms in the Capitol treated like 1/6 protesters. YEARS in jail for trespassing.
Fuck you Jesse. What Kash Patel said is wrong no matter what anyone may or may not think about O'Keefe or any other matter. As TrickyVick notes below, he sounds just like Letitia James in his rhetoric. You would never tolerate any Democrat anywhere saying the things that Kash Patel is saying. But because you are an asswipe who defends your team by any dishonest means possible, you will defend a Republican saying the exact same things that you would condemn a Democrat for saying.
After telling us that Kash Patel doesn't mean what he says but means what Lying Jeffy says about the constitution above, Lying Jeffy then goes to:
"saying the things that Kash Patel is saying."
Before then shifting to (continued below)
Jeffy is truly a rather large asshole.
So these Jesse-esque comments are going to be the best parts of Trump 2.0. Jesse and his posse are going to defend every shitty thing that Trump and his team do. And we normal humans will just laugh as they contort themselves into knots trying to defend the indefensible.
I look forward to seeing how Jesse will defend FBI Director Kash Patel spying on journalists just like they did under Obama.
"Jesse and his posse are going to defend every shitty thing that Trump and his team do."
It's actually kind of impressive. In three short posts he went from changing what Kash said, to casually changing it to what he'll do.
This is what is hilarious about Jeff.
I have literally 3 posts here regarding the lefts actions (that Jeff defended) being compared to what the left says the right might do.
So while Jeff defended actual bad acts, he accuses me and others of defending actions that have not occurred. And thinks he won the argument.
Jeff and sarc are two leftist statists in a pod. The left is justified because of what they imagine the right might do.
So why can't you simply say that you don't agree with what Kash Patel said? What is so difficult about that?
Instead, you play these whataboutism games. And we all know why. It's because you support what he says.
The lying psychopath forgets he already decided on his own the part where Kash said he would act within the constitution doesn't count, and now he'll forever pretend that it's not part of the discussion.
Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.
A) you defended the democrats
B) your defense is in regards to actions that have not happened.
C) you're a retard.
Why are you and Jeff so determined to protect government officials who violated their state powers against others? How can you defend it and pretend to be a libertarian. Lol. The violators of the NAP in this regard are the democrats and bureaucrats YOU defend.
Why would anybody disagree with Kash Patel? Should journalists have special rights nobody else has?
And we normal humans will just laugh as they contort themselves into knots trying to defend the indefensible.
The normal humans will continue to point out you had no problem with any of these actions when Dems undertook them against the right so your criticisms of others equally apply to you.
So, do you agree with what Kash Patel said or not?
I'll speak for me.
100%.
Constitutionally, go after those who committed crimes. Make. Them. Hurt.
And when you have the evidence showing how the media was complicit in converting the results of those crimes into election propaganda fully understanding they were lying publish the results to kill their credibility.
It seems obvious when you fail in your basic value proposition the people should understand what you really are. Has anyone heard from Sabrina Rudin Erdely recently? Imagine the same for everyone at the NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, and other left wing outlets who participated in the Russian Collusion Hoax. Thousands of propagandists permanently rendered useless. Combine that with re-taking academia and suddenly those people no longer have sinecures to protect them, the existence of which is why they are willing to violate the most basic tenets of journalism.
Glorious.
“Because we're actually gonna use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have.”
If they’ve committed crimes, then i absolutely support that. The question is why don’t you?
"""We're gonna come after the people in the media," the Trump stalwart warns. "Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out.""'
Change the word media to NRA, or oil industry and it sounds like something Letisha James would say. I would prefer if Trump picks don't sound like NY's AG.
Retribution means doing what they did that was unforgivably unjust and unfair, only worse and harder.
retribution
/rĕt″rə-byoo͞′shən/
noun
1. the act of taking revenge (harming someone in retaliation for something harmful that they have done) especially in the next life
the swiftness of divine retribution
2. a justly deserved penalty
3. the act of correcting for your wrongdoing
from WordNet 3.0 Copyright 2006 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. More at Wordnik
Sarc has problems with understanding the meaning of the words he uses.
Serious problems. I think the list of words Sarc understands is far shorter and easier to compile than those he doesn't.
Poor sarc.
Pour Sarc, at least a quart.
Imagine having to pay for your actual crimes.
Or, stay with me now you libbie fuck...
Holding government officials accountable for their abuses.
How about criminals, how about you change the word to criminals to be a bit honest about what is being said.
I would take this as just criticism if Jakey hadn't written 20 articles already on how bad every single one of Trump's picks have been (since JD Vance) while he totally ignored all the reporters that Biden and Obama actually arrested and prosecuted on some extremely slim charges. Or the Grandma's Biden imprisoned for the horror of praying at an abortion clinic. And if Lyingjeffy weren't playing mockingbird and singing Jakey's song when it was pointed out that Jakey almost completely ignored Biden and Obama actually jailing people over speech. Not just threatened but actually jailed them.
"No criticism of the right is valid if there is not an equivalent volume of criticism of the left."
"Also, moral relativism is totally bad, y'all."
I'll put soldiermedic down as wanting the FBI to spy on journalists as long as it's the "correct team" doing it.
Lying Jeffy gets mad when people point out hypocrisy. Because hypocrisy is a form of dishonesty, which makes hypocrites part of his tribe.
Holding Democrats accountable is a form of moral relativism!!1!1!!
Lying is your primary tactic, no one would expect anything else.
Lying jeffsarc the fatass hypocrite. It's always (D)ifferent for Leftist statist collectivists like dipshit chemjeffsarc.
No fucker, I'm saying what Biden and Obama actually did is far worse than what someone says they might do you fucking imbecilic lefty. Your entire post is what you actually do. Condemn the right for what they may do while excusing the left for what they actually do. I'll put you down for "wanting the FBI to spu on journalists as long as it's the 'correct team' doing it." Because that's what you've done for the past eight years you statist lying fuck.
When I call Lying Jeffy a psychopath I'm not being hyperbolic.
I'm not excusing anyone for anything. It is YOU who is excusing Kash Patel's comments, not me. YOU are the one deflecting away from his comments, that you would never condone had any Democrat said the same thing, by bringing up these whataboutisms.
You're bitching about hypotheticals while not caring about what actually happened.
Fuck off you lying leftist cunt. You've been entirely for these actions, inside the law or not, so long as it's a Democrat doing it to go after their political enemies.
Naw, 8 years of taking the high road and being kicked by the Dems is enough.
One fights using the same weapons as the enemy; there’s no useful reason to die on some ‘hill of moral superiority’.
The DEMs should get it, as hard as they have gave it. They started this shit, make. Them. Pay.
Softball assassination attempts on GOP.
Lawfare.
Removal from ballots.
FBI FISA lies, wiretapping Conservative rivals.
Multiple GOP headquarters shot up!
Two self-emulations for Leftism (they are like ISIS)
“Punch (political opponents) Nazis”.
Throwing Conservatives in jail.
ANTIFA political violence targeting Conservatives.
Targeting Conservative businesses & workers during Covid.
Shooting Conservative Ashli Babbit.
Refusing government aid to Conservatives in NC after hurricane.
CENSORSHIP. Silencing. Jawboning. Algorithm manipulation.
Two presidential assassination attempts.
The time for ‘well, we need to be FAIR’ is long, long gone, IMO
Wake up and smell that they LITERALLY HATE YOU. Not a game, they will keep food out your mouth and throw you in jail!!
Yes, we're gonna come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections. We're gonna come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out.
Totally not jawboning.
Is that a NAMBLA term? Like child boning?
When Fox News lies about the 2020 election, that's legal and constitutional and how dare anyone say anything mean about it.
When the Washington Post lies about the 2020 election, that's illegal and the FBI should go after David Ignatius and raid his home and shoot his dog and ruin his life.
Keep crying Lying Jeffy.
We need to keep pushing him. He’s suffering now, but it isn’t enough.
Seethe harder you fat bitch. You lost big. Get ready for more. Recent events don’t auger well for a neo Marxist child grooming enthusiast, such as yourself.
So, the Fox/Dominion settlement didn't happen? Alex Jones? Mackey?
Fuck your hypocritical bullshit.
Those were righteous and just.
JS;dr
I've officially joined that club. Read the first paragraph, scrolled down to the comments.
It is a solid libertarian club.
Welcome to the club. It seems to grow hourly.
Welcome. We too, have awoken.
You’re in the right place.
Wake me when he actually does it, if at all.
We must hold the right to a higher standards of their possible actions than we do the left of their actual actions.
Sincerely,
Jacob, Jeff, sarc
"We must hold our team to no standards whatsoever, and we must criticize anyone for pointing it out." -- Jesse, ML, RMac, ITL, etc.
No, Fatfuck, that would be you.
No, that's you
No, that is literally you and your team. How many times does Trump, or Kash Patel, deserve the benefit of the doubt?
"Oh, well Kash Patel said he would operate within the bounds of the Constitution. That's good enough for me!" Well guess what, all politicians *think* they are obeying the Constitution. Biden thought his student loan forgiveness plans were constitutional, but he was wrong. Why should we believe that Kash Patel's plans (whatever they are) are constitutional?
Let me guess, it's because he's on Team Red, right? Team Red politicians are just superior people who should be believed uncritically. I mean, we have no idea what Kash Patel would actually do, but you all are lining up to defend him anyway.
literally
/lĭt′ər-ə-lē/
adverb
In a literal manner; word for word
You're aware Biden has OPENLY said his loan forgiveness plan is not constitutional, that SCOTUS shut it down --- and he's working around it, right?
“How many times does Trump, or Kash Patel, deserve the benefit of the doubt?”
Infinitely until they actually take action. You know, like the Democrats and their sympathizers have.
Going after corrupt government officials isn’t a bad thing, Jeff.
No, fatfuck, that would be you, if you had any fucking self awareness.
"We must hold our team to no standards whatsoever, and we must criticize anyone for pointing it out." -- Jesse, ML, RMac, ITL, etc.
Why omit the Jeffsarcs?
It is amazing how he keeps doubling down on the same argument.
Democrats did do something, but only what the right may do should be admonished. He thinks this is principled.
In reality it is him again defending the democrats abuse of state power. He is either too stupid to realize what he's arguing or so dishonest to equate reality with his imaginations.
He just doesn't care. The Jeffsarcs are only here to create propaganda. They don't care about principles or standards or truth. They're here to attack the right and protect the left.
That's it. Every single comment they've ever made fits this framework.
In reality it is him again defending the democrats abuse of state power.
In this entire discussion I'm not defending anything. I'm pointing out that YOU are defending conduct that you would never condone had any Democrat done the same.
And we're pointing out you had no problem with the same conduct when it was performed by Dems and other leftists. So even if your characterization is 100% true, which it is not, all it proves is that those you criticize are just like you.
What's indefensible is your constant assertions this proves something deep and abhorrent about them and nothing at all about you and the other leftists. This is the core of Left Wing Privilege.
This was very well said.
“Left Wing Privilege”
I like that.
"Republicans pounce..."
So let's apply the Jacob journalistic standards here.
The people that were active conspirators in a coup against the United States are totally not criminals. But get a loan secured by the current value of you property or pay your lawyer for legal actions or tell people to protest peacefully and patriotically before going home and those are super criminal offenses that will tear apart the country...free minds and greemarkets my ass.
Hope you enjoy prison bitch.
"People we don't like are not just wrong, but traitors who deserve prison. And that's totally not fascist."
Except you actually are a traitor. It isn’t just a ‘disagreement’. You just say that because you don’t have a real argument, and have to frame reasonable peolpe as unreasonable. This is what you did when Florida banned sexual instruction to children under 9 in government schools.
You’re a liar, a neo Marxist and most certainly a cheeser. Now fuck off, and seethe harder you fat bitch.
The percentage of Lying Jeffy's posts where he just makes up lies about what people mean when they say something completely different has really been increasing lately.
I think Jeffy blew a gasket over the last election and just can't keep the anger within anymore. Not that he was successful at it before, but he's on the verge of going postal here.
He tried for about 3 days to pretend to be a centrist asking for a return to norms, to end the partisanship. Og course it was all an act to not have democrats be held responsible for abuse of the state on their political enemies.
Jeff would have been first in line in a Nazi camp as a guard and then ask for amnesty after the war.
His team is the one who always starts abuses then he screams his enemies better not fo what his team is doing.
He is fucking Hamas.
"People we don't like are not just wrong, but traitors who deserve prison. And that's totally not fascist."
Jeffyshit, why are you quoting yourself?
Yes, that is exactly Jacob's logic the last decade.
Sullum really brings out the fascist authoritarian dickheads around here. Keep it up, you are revealing who are the real Trump dicksuckers around here.
Yes, we see you and your gimp Sarc here. Although. I didn’t know you also sucked Trump’s cock.
Does Lying Jeffy realize how much we are enjoying this weeks long spaz out?
Everything he complains about is something Democrats did first. But he didn’t complain then. Or if he did he wasn’t hateful enough. Or mean enough. Or often enough. Or long enough. That makes him a leftist. Duh.
Everything you and Jeff do is to defend the bad acts of the left and demand no accountability of their abuses. Lol.
The lack of self-awareness that dipshit jeffsarc has is absolutely mind-blowing.
And yet Trump has the gall to complain about the "weaponization" of government against him?
(To be fair, there has been a little of that, especially in the New York court cases against him. But nowhere near what he and his appointees are threatening to unleash.)
And what are they threatening to unleash? So far I've seen firings and holding corrupt officials responsible for their illegal acts. How frightening.
What?
"We're gonna come after the people in the media," the Trump stalwart warns. "Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out."
Why did you cut off the next sentence?
Why is holding government officials who violated the law accountable frightening to you?
He's not talking about government officials, he's talking about "people in the media". And what he actually means is, people who told the truth and exposed Trump's lies about supposed election fraud. How is that not frightening to you? Anyway, I was just quoting from this article's sub-head.
He's not talking about 2020 election fraud, he's talking about the Russian Collusion Hoax.
"The only difference is the left knows they're the ones that broke the law. They're the ones that did Russiagate. They're the ones that wrote the 51 intel letter. They're the ones that lied to the American public over and over again to rig a presidential election."
From: Rob Goldstone To: Donald Trump Jr. June 3, 2016, 10:36 AM
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
=========
Nothing wrong with this letter at all.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
Especially considering evidence of tampering...
https://cyberscoop.com/hunter-biden-emails-possible-tampering-trump-allies/
Patel is a QAnon freak who should be nowhere near government, but then neither should Donald Trump. So, I guess whatever. Give the people what they want.
Hahahahahahahaha
The biggest mistake Caesar made was giving the Optimates amnesty.
"...To be fair, there has been a little of that, especially in the New York court cases against him. But nowhere near what he and his appointees are threatening to unleash..."
Sarc or posted by a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit?
Guessing the later: FOAD, asshole, make your family proud.
James O'Keefe was raided by the FBI because he was given the diary of Joe Biden's daughter and had no plans to print it. Suffice to day, his daughter has zero government positions and no crime has even been remotely tied to O'Keefe and the diary. He did not steal it.
Tell me more, please.
And yet Trump has the gall to complain about the "weaponization" of government against him??
Jeffsarc has a new friend.
Fuck you. Your side needs a good thrashing, and I’m totally fine with Conservatives FINALLY asserting themselves and fighting back against all your Lefty attacks.
Softball assassination attempts on GOP.
Lawfare.
Removal from ballots.
FBI FISA lies, wiretapping Conservative rivals.
Multiple GOP headquarters shot up!
Two self-emulations for Leftism (they are like ISIS)
“Punch (political opponents) Nazis”.
Throwing Conservatives in jail.
ANTIFA political violence targeting Conservatives.
Targeting Conservative businesses & workers during Covid.
Shooting Conservative Ashli Babbit.
Refusing government aid to Conservatives in NC after hurricane.
CENSORSHIP. Silencing. Jawboning. Algorithm manipulation.
Two presidential assassination attempts.
Endlessly more where that came from - the Left cannot meme and cannot produce a similar list so FOAD claiming the Left has done nothing to deserve every ounce of payback we can get.
Fuck The Left, fair is fair! You don’t like it, then don’t support that side.
Jacob sullum kill yourself
How the hell did so-called libertarians become such authoritarian shit slurpers? Seriously, Reason -- you need to ban these people from the comment section.
What, you want them to ban Jeffy? He's a major source of entertainment around these here parts.
Lol. Jacob lit the Act Blue signal.
What actual authoritarian actions have been done dumbass? Patel literally says he will abide by the law and constitution unlike your teams novel legal creations that have been repeatedly been reviewed against your team at the USSC.
YOU ARE THE BADDIE.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/3b710Jbz9b8
You're just too fucking stupid to realize it.
Your team has abused literally every power they could trying to arrest and bankrupt your enemies. You have shot at your enemies. Your fellows have killed your enemies with cars and guns.
You have cheered and defended it at every step.
You're not fooling anybody with your fake cries of amnesty to defend against the violations by your team.
"I'm the real libertarian now ban these people!"
This isn't Bluesky, you fucking waste of carbon molecules. There's been exactly two people banned in this entire comment section's history--one of them was a serial spammer who accidentally doxed herself, and the other is Buttplug for posting kiddie porn links, which is why he uses "2" in his handle now.
If you don't like diverse voices having rich conversations, there's echo chambers that will be more your speed.
Ban the “authoritarianism is ok because democrats did it first” crowd and the comments would become a ghost town.
It's amazing how finely tuned the jeffsarc's authoritarianism detectors are yet they never manage to apply it to Dems or other leftists' actions. It's very strange they make such a big deal about those they hate not applying consistent standards [even though this is often a lie] even as they know this status is true of themselves in literally every comment they've ever made.
Weird.
If the left claimed to have principles then I’d hold them to them. But they don’t. It’s you and your team who claims the moral high ground. But you excuse your amoral actions by pointing at them. You’re just like the people you hate.
The failure to apply consistent principles is yours, not the lefts. It is the speaker who sets the standard by judging an action against a standard.
As usual you're flailing so pathetically in your eagerness to justify attacking only the right you can't even get the basics correct.
In sarc's defense, he's awfully dumb.
What is your BAC?
lmao
As usual when you can't effectively respond you resort to personal attacks. Not only has that always been your MO, it's also always been your MO to criticize others for making personal attacks as if you were above that.
Once again we see that sarc has literally never applied to himself or leftists a single standard he judges others by.
Ideas!
"If the left claimed to have principles then I’d hold them to them. But they don’t. It’s you and your team who claims the moral high ground. But you excuse your amoral actions by pointing at them. You’re just like the people you hate."
Yup. It was a Republicans who said that "when they go low, we go high". Not a Democrat.
Because Dems do not claim the moral high ground....
We just had an election where the Democrats main campaign theme was that they were the defenders of democracy and their opponents were fascists and their opponents leader was " literally Hitler."
That’s not fair, they claim to have principles.
It’s just that their principles have led to more death and human suffering than any other set in the history of the world.
Poor sarc.
Well, in large part, the Reason "libertarians" (LOLertarians) seem to have fallen for the religious indoctrination of Environmental Activism, LGBT Pedo, Abortion on Demand, and Open Borders. To a lesser degree, they seem to draw issue with drug/prostitution criminalization, policing, and free speech - and they really just want a big federal fist to dissolve the States, declare themselves emperor, and then crush anyone who disagrees with them to usher in their goofy utopia by fiat and with an iron fist.
I know. It's demented. I blame the drugs.
Translation: libertarians support personal liberty as well as economic liberty. Conservatives have always despised personal liberty and consider it to be leftist. Because of this, small-minded conservatives feel that libertarians who support personal liberty are leftists, and true libertarians abhor personal liberty like conservatives do. So to be a “true” libertarian in these comments you must show your hate for personal liberty and anyone who supports it. If you don’t then you’re a leftist.
Another idiotic assertion based on nothing but wishcasting.
libertarians support personal liberty as well as economic liberty
Not if they support environmental activism, LGBT pedo, abortion, and open borders. Every single one of those things are about taking personal liberty away from others by force. And, for added lols, they also require huge amounts of government spending to keep their shrines propped up.
Every single one of those things are about taking personal liberty away from others by force.
Causing you to feel offended is not an act of force.
I never feel offended. That's a thing that sissy weaklings who never matured into adulthood and learned to deal with things they don't like do. I'm sure you're familiar with it.
I'm talking about dictating what kind of lightbulbs I can use and depriving me of a market choice to select something else. Is that libertarian? I'm talking about wasting taxpayer money on environmental boondoggles that offer zero or less return on investment for me personally or anyone else. Is that libertarian?
I'm talking about the brutal attacks (physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually) on children - newborns even - in the name of a completely voluntary lifestyle choice by its congregation who demands total acquiescence and threatens physical, legal, and social retaliation if they don't get it. Is that libertarian? I'm talking about taxpayer dollars that go to specific and targeted indoctrination towards this end in literally every State Institution you can think of. Is that libertarian?
I'm talking about the intentional and malicious termination of human life (aka murder) in utero. Is that libertarian? I'm talking about taxpayer dollars used to fund and encourage this practice - particularly among racial minorities. Is that libertarian?
I'm talking about the embrace of total lawlessness, with any attempts to enforce the law intentionally hindered, on a specious claim of "need" that open criminals brazenly exploit resulting in huge increases of both physical and property deprivations of legal Americans. Is that libertarian? I'm talking about the tens of billions of dollars that are wasted on providing for these criminals who then contribute literally nothing whatsoever in return. Is that libertarian?
Who's the libertarian here, sarc. Spoiler alert: it's not you.
You, sarc - you are a worthless, useless, unproductive, contemptable Marxist leech, wearing libertarianism as some kind of grossly unconvincing skinsuit. Same goes with most of the Reason staff.
And you're about to be burned off of America's skin.
sarc's reaching the wall of text level of spaz.
Correction: sarc's using AI.
At the risk of doxxing, I'm about 90% certain that sarc is Taylor Lorenz.
I've been guessing he is Jennifer rubin lately.
Nah, Rubin at least pathetically tries to pretend she's right-wing, unlike sarc. She gets hired by JoUrNaLiStS as a token.
Lol. This retarded bumper sticker again. Made even after shit like vaccine mandates and covid.
Never change you wonderful retard.
The jeffsarc crew came out hard today. Too bad they have no ability to reflect on the actual abuses of their dear Blue Team.
What are the 4 D's of avoiding accountability?
4Ds for Avoiding Accountability - EduCoach by Jo Lein
The "4 Ds" for avoiding accountability are Deny, Deflect, Defend, and Diffuse. Individuals, groups, or organizations use these tactics to sidestep responsibility for mistakes, wrongdoing, or failures.
Every one of Jeffsarc's posts fits one of these categories.
Leftists excel at avoiding accountability and shirking responsibility. Their team can do no wrong, while anyone else so much as breathes wrong and they start shrieking. It's just (D)ifferent.
Sullum, you better pray to whatever atheist demigod of drug-peddling you worship that Boehm never quits or dies of AIDS. Because then you become the biggest shitpile statist lefty dickbag at Reason. Which is quite the accomplishment.
Clearly, according to the right-wing authoritarian scum who infest these pages, the purpose of the head of the FBI is to take revenge on Trump's adversaries, and equally clearly, you approve of this purpose, the Constitution and rule of law be damned.
It's funny how you lot deny Trump's fascist tendencies while clearly wishing he demonstrate them.
the purpose of the head of the FBI is to take revenge on Trump's adversaries,
The purpose of the head of the FBI is to reform it so it is not weaponized against political enemies. This is returning it to an acceptable purpose. It's revealing the left wing scum on the board is so outraged by preventing the FBI and national security apparatus from being weaponized politically.
The purpose of the head of the FBI is to reform it so it is not weaponized against political enemies
In case you missed it, both Trump and Patel want the FBI to go after political enemies. RTFA above, for example.
Though I imagine that if Patel does do as he's promised, rather than de-weaponising the FBI, you lot will say, "but the Democrats did it first".
In case you missed it, both Trump and Patel want the FBI to go after political enemies.
You obviously missed, likely intentionally, that their "enemies" are those who weaponized the government against Trump. It is left wing propagandists who generalized this to "political enemies" so they can portray it as outrageous.
But we can understand their true concern by noting that none of the people currently outraged, such as yourself, have any concern about weaponization of government against political enemies as a policy. If they did they would both criticize those who did exactly this against Trump and support removing them from government, but as we see they argue against exactly this. They only object to Trump ending weaponized government and thus ending their ability to use it against Reps when Dems next return to power.
“right-wing authoritarian scum who infest these pages”
Is it too much to ask that you all don’t read off the same goddamn script?
How about just stick to reforming the FBI.
Not a bad idea, but that's not what Trump and Patel want.
How about just disbanding the FBI.
No replacement.
Patel should not be in a bother concerning the legacy media. They are fast becoming dinosaurs, has- beens , a foot note in history.
Allow the people to decide, which they are as proof of the plummeting ratings and revenue losses now taking its toll. Within a few months MSNBC won't be recognizable and CNN may disappear altogether. The rest will have to settle with what viewers are left, those who haven't switched to on-line news services that aren't filtered through some government/deep state jack-in-the-box.
No reason to hold liars , fraudsters and propagandists responsible for anything, as long as they are democrats.
When republicans do the same thing, throw the bums in prison....
So often Reason gets things wrong these days................
Dear Mr. Sullum,
Thank you for consistently bringing sanity to an insane political environment.
Trump desperately needs sagacious advice and consent from the US Senate and Senator have a constitutional duty to provide Trump with such advice and to deny any appointment like Kash Patel. Some Senators, like Sen Tommy Tuperville, have openly declared that they will not perform their constitutional duty to provide advice and consent, claiming that only the Dems are under a duty, while the GOP's duty is to support anyone that Trump nominates! Right now, only one thing stands between Trump and his destruction of his Presidency is the advice and consent clause.
Extremism in pursuit of virtue is a vice! The abdication of a Senator's constitutional duty is as extreme behavior as one can find in a Republic.
https://tinyurl.com/rsmcwrla December 5, 2024, CityWatch, Why a Republic Is Better than a Democracy, by Richard Lee Abrams
Sullum is a leftty bootlicker.
Jacob, you're the referee disqualifying the "straight" wrestler for one demonstrative illegal hold after the "heel" has gotten away with 3 surreptitious and illegal ones.
I'm fed up with law and order. It's time to play dirty in real life and keep only games clean. From now on (I'm 70 YO) it's not about who's right, it's about who's on my side. I have a friend who says the only reason he doesn't murder lots of people is because he's afraid he'll get caught, and I think his may be the better way to look at things now.
It’s time The Right woke up and realized the Nazis have already started the war!
The Left acts so indignant when we even SUGGEST using THEIR tactics against them!
Lying about people might, depending upon the circumstances, amount to defamation, but it is not a crime,
Lying to a federal agent is 5 years per count.
As Patel sees it, such reporting was not just erroneous but deliberately deceitful. More likely, it was strongly influenced by an anti-Trump bias that led journalists to abandon their skepticism and embrace baseless claims that either hurt him or helped his opponent.
umm... this is true.
There was no “Russia HOAX”.
It was a LIE.
I say it loudly, as the Truth should be said!
Long live the Propaganda Press! says Jacob "Mr. Establishment" Sullum.
Gullum and his ilk are the reason I would never consider subscribing to "Reason." Aren't there any actual libertarian magazines out there?
Whether it's criminal or not (it's not) everyone knows that the mainstream media are heavily biased towards the socialist narrative and active participants in efforts to implement socialism in the United States. The new Trump administration would project a lot more credibility if they didn't continue to emulate Trump's propensity for outrageous public statements that they know they are not going to be able to carry out (or likely even try.) It would be much more interesting to me if the Department of Justice carried out a serious investigation into the actual "deep state" politically weaponized programs that are mentioned in passing in this article which might actually have been criminal and were certainly unconstitutional! But alas, this is just more tit-for-tat hyperbole with no actual reduction in the scope and power of the deep state ...
“… propensity for outrageous public statements…” oh shit! Now do “Trump is Hitler” “MAGA Are Fascists!”
Do you actually believe any of us take your claims of moral superiority at anything like face value?
You’re Hitler, telling Stalin he won’t invite Russia.
We are the USA, knowing you already started.
War lines have been drawn; I’m ready to shoot Liberals rather than surrender the country.
We absolutely know the Left would use violence to enforce their Ideology - I’m totally OK doing the same.
“Threats against PROPAGANDISTS” ftfy Reason.
Why tf do I waste time here? It’s a few good comments, and lots of grey boxes from that LONELY NECKBEARD GUY - and why everyone feeds him by responding is beyond me.
If yall ignore him, we could have better conversations, ya know?