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Election 2024

The Wife Vote

Plus: RFK Jr. as health czar, a Miami update, Martha Stewart is pissed, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 11.1.2024 9:30 AM

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Oppression at the ballot box: "What does it say about gender relations in this country that so many leaders are telling women not to fear retribution from their husbands because their ballots can remain secret" asks Washington Post journalist Catherine Rampell, referring to the wave of ads (watch here and here) that claim Donald Trump voters are being somehow bullying or pressuring their wives and friends to cast a vote for the man.

The answer to Rampell's question is that Democratic strategists seem to think this is how normies' marriages work, or that this ginned-up oppression will appeal to fence-sitters. It's the line Democrats appear to be taking in the lead-up to the election, but it strikes me as manufactured at best, insulting at worst.

"I certainly have many Republicans who will say to me, I can't be public. They do worry about a whole range of things including violence, but they'll do the right thing," said former Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wyo.) recently.

"You are a woman who lives in a household of men who don't listen to you or value your opinion. Just remember: Your vote is a private matter. Regardless of the political views of your partner, you get to choose!" said Michelle Obama last week.

Of course, some people, like Fox News' Jesse Waters, likened his wife voting for Harris to her having an affair, seemingly as a joke, but emphasized that it would be the duplicitousness—claiming to be a Trump supporter while secretly being a Harris fan—that would bother him.

It's a reflection of the fact that 1-in-3 Democratic voters is an unmarried women, and Democrats believe that this story can motivate them to vote.

— Tim Carney (@TPCarney) October 31, 2024

Someone's not telling the truth: Official White House stenographers and the White House press team are sparring over whether President Joe Biden called Trump supporters "garbage."

Over the weekend, during a Trump rally at Madison Square Garden, the insult comic Tony Hinchcliffe called Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage." Biden responded on a Tuesday night call with Latino activist groups: "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters…his…his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American."

The White House press office's transcript rendered the quote with an apostrophe: "supporter's" rather than "supporters," making it look like Biden was merely criticizing Hinchcliffe, not the whole half of the country that's supporting Trump.

Hilariously, "the president's remarks clashed with Vice President Kamala Harris' near-simultaneous speech outside the White House in which she called for treating Americans of differing ideologies with respect," reports the Associated Press.

It's all a little insane that Biden wants to be seen as some morally decent leader when his presidency has been punctuated by scandals, and when he had to be forced off the campaign trail after hordes of loyal lackeys (including current nominee and Vice President Kamala Harris) repeatedly lied about his mental competence. This sure looks like his "deplorables" moment, but the kind of amazing thing about the Trump era is that none of the insults really matter—things got acrimonious so long ago that nothing mean holds any shock value anymore. The real problem is the degree to which White House officials are willing to corruptly cover for their guy.

Trump x RFK Jr.: If he wins, Donald Trump apparently plans to appoint bear-hunter/falconry king/vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, including the Department of Agriculture and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), as well as the National Institutes of Health.

"I'm going to let him go wild on health," Trump said at Madison Square Garden on Sunday. "I'm going to let him go wild on the food. I'm going to let him go wild on the medicines."

RFK Jr. seems pretty jazzed, saying: "FDA's war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by Pharma. If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you: 1. Preserve your records, and 2. Pack your bags."

Look, I hate the FDA as much as the next gal, but I do not think they're aggressively suppressing sunshine or exercise. Taking RFK Jr. seriously, though, I do wonder what exactly he would do (Trump favors right-to-try legislation, for example, but Kennedy would ostensibly oppose it), other than the admittedly positive acts of getting the government out of the way of letting people consume shrooms and raw milk to their hearts' content.


Scenes from New York: Took the kiddos (my son and his BFF) trick-or-treating last night and…well, there's a reason I don't live in Brooklyn anymore.

Brooklynites, never ones to chill about politics, added VOTE OR DIE to the neighborhood Halloween decor (ft. @rSanti97). I guess I'll be dropping dead! pic.twitter.com/qCrDL6HFdH

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) November 1, 2024

Also, I assume the Diddy reference is merely a coincidence (though he is a Brooklynite now).


QUICK HITS

  • New Just Asking Questions just dropped, with portions of it filmed from Miami, where Zach Weissmueller and I just spent a week carousing with Thielworld folks:

  • Speaking of Miami, I spoke on two panels—about tradwives and about spanking (corporal punishment and parenting culture more broadly)—and haven't even been canceled for it (yet). Thanks to the good people at Founders Fund for hosting! More pics here.

The rumors are true, I went to #Hereticon in beautiful Miami Beach. I took part in two events; here's a quick recap of the first. Thanks to @micsolana for a truly fabulous, fascinating event! pic.twitter.com/R6y4OGswgV

— Peachy Keenan (@KeenanPeachy) November 1, 2024

  • There's a new documentary out about Martha Stewart's life, and she's a hater. "The trial and the actual incarceration was less than two years out of an 83-year life," she told The New York Times, referring to her 2004 fraud conviction in an insider trading case. (Vintage Reason cover story here.) "I considered it a vacation, to tell you the truth. The trial itself was extremely boring. Even the judge fell asleep."
  • "Have you seen all these studies that basically connect testosterone levels in young men with conservative politics?" Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) asked Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience. "Maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because it means we're going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal."
  • Inside the issues with processing migrants' asylum claims, courtesy of Bloomberg.

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  1. Super Scary   8 months ago

    "Hilariously, "the president's remarks clashed with Vice President Kamala Harris' near-simultaneous speech outside the White House in which she called for treating Americans of differing ideologies with respect," reports the Associated Press."

    The hilarious part is if anyone believes her.

    1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

      The height of 2024 election irony is this (to me).

      President Trump is putting Vance out there in the public eye. Both Pres Trump and Senator Vance did 3-hour interviews, completely unscripted, that covered a very wide range of issues. I would also say that Pres Trump displayed a tremendous amount of confidence in Senator Vance abilities to do the podcast. Could he be POTUS, if needed? I think he passed that test.

      Neither Kamala nor Timmy could do a 3-hour unscripted interview on JRE. They just don't have what it takes to do it, for whatever reason. There is just no way.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        One big change I think we're going to see out of this campaign are politicians scheduling time for these kind of deep dive interviews on podcasts. The 3-hour Trump and Vance ones on Joe Rogan are impressive, but overall you get a much better sense of who these people are outside of legacy media soundbites, and you find out pretty fast who can actually carry themselves in this format and who can't.

        John Fetterman did a 30-minute talk with the NYT recently on their podcast. He's someone on the Democrat side who's clearly very comfortable in that type of setting, and comes across in a very relatable way. The politicians who can master this thing are going to end up giving themselves a leg up in campaign races because this is how most people consume media at the moment.

    2. Marshal   8 months ago

      What's revealing here is that Kamala first calls Trump & supporters fascists. But when she contradicts her actions and pretends to support respect for opponents the media treats her words as definitive without even concerning themselves about the conflict with her actions. The left media - including the AP - is a far left political institution and nothing more.

  2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

    about tradwives and about spanking

    Hubba hubba

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Didn’t you have a wife who left you over something like that?

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        "Spanked" her with his knuckles right in the kisser according to her lawyer.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Why sarc used cops to harass her.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            But sarc hates cops...

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Well. He has zero principles.

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Ideas™ !

  3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    I'm the only man in a household filled with women.

    My opinion has never mattered.

    1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

      I dare you to leave the seat up. Double dare you!

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        It's a small act of rebellion.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          What about going nuclear, leave the seat down, and piss all over it?

          1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

            Actually, this is one I have sort of won...we put both lid and seat down. Mostly it keeps dog from drinking out of the toilet, but it also means that everyone is similarly put out when they need to use the toilet (lifting and closing).

            1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

              One time at the office, a long time ago, I went to use the basement bathroom and the seat was up. Keep in mind no women used that bathroom. Coincidentally they'd just hired a new guy. So I went to him and said "You don't live with any women, do you." He said "How'd you know?"

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Was this one of the guys you show your brilliant comments to?

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                Cool story drunkie.

              3. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Sarcasmic: *opens laptop* “Hey check this website out, there’s this guy ML; dude, my buddy jeff and I totally PWNNN him all the time, it’s awesome!”

                Coworker: “Uhh, sure…”

                Sarcasmic: Then there’s Big mac and DLAM, I should really mute these guys, but I can’t help myself.”

                Coworker: “Hmm. Ok, I’m gonna go back to my desk now, ok?”

                Sarcasmic: “Hey come back, I didn’t even tell you about Jesse yet!”

                Coworker: *dials security*

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              That’s, IMHO, the best way. Everyone has to lift something. Plus, it keeps the cats from falling in the toilet bowl.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

              Also avoids the whole notion of "falling in" that women complain about. In my whole life I've never sat on a toilet without making sure the configuration was correct for the action I needed to take, not even when awakened in the middle of the night with a "hot soup" experience ready to explode. but women always cry about falling in because they can't be bothered to check the status of the seat?

              1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

                I think it's related to not noticing the oil light flashing in their cars.

    2. Fetterman's Hump   8 months ago

      I feel your pain.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      It's all projection. Dems a fine with being abusive to those the disagree with

  4. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    "Oppression at the ballot box"

    Its called the 'Sammich vote'

    1. R Mac   8 months ago

      I prefer the original chicken pot pie bitch vote.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        no Dad, what about you?

      2. Bipedal Humanoid   8 months ago

        Excellent, although I believe it was a turkey pot pie.

  5. sarcasmic   8 months ago

    Tucker Carlson reveals gory details of how he was ‘clawed and bloodied’ during terrifying attack by ‘demon’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14027517/tucker-carlson-reveal-gory-details-demon-attack.html

    Ok……

    The conservative firebrand tells Heers he initially believed he was having 'the weirdest dream I've ever had' until all of a sudden, blood started to show on his bedsheets and marks on his body.

    'I had four claw marks on either side, underneath my arm and left shoulder. And they were bleeding,' Carlson said

    Sounds like he needs to get that mistress under control 😉

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      Or the 4 dogs that were in bed with him.

    2. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

      I recommend hydrocortisone.

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Might’ve been a bear that got loose from jeff's trunk.

      1. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

        Or RFKJr's.

      2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        A bunch of Reddit witches have been bragging about putting hexes and curses on Tucker Carlson for years.

        They’ve tried to curse Trump for years too but apparently he’s got some sort of protection against hexes.

        They’ve been doing it since 2016: Each month, thousands of witches cast a spell against Donald Trump

        1. Super Scary   8 months ago

          So after 8 years, he's built up a natural immunity to witchcraft. He can't keep getting away with this!

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Shocked Tucker was humble enough to understand that he wasn't in the same league as Saint Francis.

    5. Ska   8 months ago

      Looking forward to the Travel channel documentary on Tucker Carlson's ghost experience.

      OK, not really. I just want to know why a channel called Travel is 90% ghost-hunters/paranormal reality TV? Or is it 95%

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

        Network decay.

        https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetworkDecay

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Their travel is now between worlds.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

          Stargate marathon?

          1. Ska   8 months ago

            I think that's even lower demand than watching grainy clips of video feeds, waiting for the rocking chair to move on its own.

            1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

              You speek lies!

          2. Overt   8 months ago

            That's for the Syfylous channel

    6. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

      Honest, Honey. AND I got gonorrhea from a public toilet seat...uh huh.

      1. R Mac   8 months ago

        It was a tractor.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ73NKS3B1c&pp=ygUWc2VpbmZlbGQgdHJhY3RvciBzdG9yeQ%3D%3D

        1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

          Maybe it was an infected Cockschutt.

  6. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

    "Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) asked Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience. "Maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because it means we're going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal."

    Sarc = alcoholic
    Lying Jeffy = obese

    Checks out.

    1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      JD Vance is wrong about body positivity.

    2. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

      If you can't get them to actually cut their balls off...

  7. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

    Well, Trump suggested Liz Cheney face a firing squad. One trusts he spoke metaphorically.

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      He was talking about warhawks, like Cheney, sending people to war. Point out where he mentions a "firing squad" for me please.

      1. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

        Agree. I should have noted this is how Drudge is spinning it.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Anything coming from that soyjack journoscum Aaron Rupar should never be taken at face value.

        2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Adding and changing words in transcripts is how things are done.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            Ah, the Goebbels school of Democracy.

          2. 60 Minutes   8 months ago

            Agreed.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      CNN's Tapper live fact-checks Harris on Trump's quote on protecting women: 'Just quote him accurately'

      At a rally in Phoenix, Arizona on Thursday, Harris asserted Trump will do what he wants regarding abortion restrictions and policing women’s bodies.

      "Now in America, one in three women lives in a state with a Trump abortion ban, many with no exceptions, even for rape and incest, which is immoral. And Donald Trump’s not done. Did everyone hear what he just said yesterday? That he will do what he wants, quote, and here‘s where I‘m going to quote ‘whether the women like it or not,’" Harris said.

      "When Trump said he was going to do something for women, whether they like it or not, whether the women like it or not, he was talking about protecting women, protecting women whether they like it or not. Certainly, you can take issue with the language, but he wasn‘t saying he was just going to do whatever he wanted, regardless," Tapper said.

      After his panel on "The Lead" snickered at his fact-check, Tapper followed, "I mean, but you take my point. He’s saying I‘m gonna protect them, whether that women want me to protect them."

      Democratic strategist Karen Finney remarked, "Some would say that’s misogynistic—"

      "It‘s not as she presented it," Tapper said.

      "Look, ultimately, I think we have to be careful in these last days. We did this in 2016," Finney said. "He’s going to say something horrible, ridiculous—"

      "So just quote it accurately." Tapper interrupted.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        "“He’s going to say something horrible, ridiculous—”"

        and in case he doesnt we can always "fine people on both sides" this thang

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        “It‘s not as she presented it,” Tapper said.

        That’s the funniest part about it. Per the whole supporters/supporter’s idiocy, there’s a very valid conception that Trump is saying, “I will protect some women’s right to attain an abortion from other women’s attempts to prevent abortion and vice versa.” but, nope, all AWFLs can hear is “When is he going to stop beating his wife.”

        Edit: And I say "a very valid conception" based on the fact that, in some states, abortion has been banned against women's wishes and in others it's been enshrined against other women's wishes.

        The DNC and the media, at a cognitive operating level far below the rest of us, cannot even *conceive of* (e.g.) two middle-class white women having completely opposite views on a topic.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Post-modern critical theory told them that people do not have free will but think only according to sex, gender, race, skin color, etc. So of course all women hold the same views (as proscribed by the DNC).

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      The next sentence.

      “They're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying Oh gee, let's send 10,000 troops into the mouths of the enemy.”

      He was discussing her love of sending troops into wars.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        And he wasn't even discussing a firing squad. He was saying we should put a rifle in her hands and send her to risk her life facing a numerically superior force.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          To be fair, handing Kammie a loaded rifle could lead to her shooting herself.

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            Go on…..

          2. mad.casual   8 months ago

            Liz Cheney, not Kammie, but both of them would be insulted if Donnie refused to hand either of them each a rifle in order to shoot each other, so, yeah.

        2. Super Scary   8 months ago

          It is strange (not really) that so many media outlets are repeating the "firing squad" thing. I even went a bit tinfoil hat and looked up if there are typically 9 people in a traditional firing squad but I didn't find anything about a specific number.

        3. shadydave   8 months ago

          I am so pissed. I am tired of this. It's just straight up coordinated lying and I've had it.

          I wholeheartedly agree with what Trump said, and if the media simply reported it accurately, I'd guess most people would too. If Liz Cheney wants war so badly, she can go fight the damned war herself.

    4. shadydave   8 months ago

      How many people sent to the firing squad are handed a gun beforehand? He was actually saying she should be sent into battle as justice for constant demands to have other people be sent into battle.

      I am so fucking tired of media disingenuousness.

  8. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

    BREAKING - Kentucky voting machines are REFUSING to let voters select Donald Trump’s name, automatically selecting Kamala Harris instead.

    WATCH

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Kennedy still on the ballot there.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        Yeah, there's a bunch of states that refused to take his name off.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Only where Democrats thought Kennedy would suck up Trump votes. Elsewhere they could not wait to strip his name off.

          Does that qualify as election "fraud"?

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            The third word in your comment answers that question.

          2. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

            It is gamesmanship at least, and, at least, a bit sleazy.

      2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        It would appear it doesn’t matter.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Still on the ballot in Illinois but only because he didn't want to waste the time and money trying to get off.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Since the odds are Illinois will go for the Dems, Kennedy would siphon votes from them here.

  9. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    "Epstein had photos of Donald Trump with topless young women, claims Wolff"

    https://en.as.com/latest_news/epstein-had-photos-of-donald-trump-with-topless-young-women-claims-wolff-n/

    Desperate for the oct surprise, like spaghetti at the wall

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Release everything!

      We already know Trump's tastes in women. They're as unusual as his palate, leggy blondes with big tits

      Release the whole thing and let the people sort it out.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        I’ve a feeling the photos don’t actually exist. If they did, they would’ve been used already.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Unless to Trump's left is say Bill Clinton "smoking" a cigar and Bill Gates is in the act of turning his software into hardware.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          The photos are with the video tape somewhere that shows trump doing something in the elevator as reported by media matters.

        3. Ajsloss   8 months ago

          If they did, they would’ve been used already.

          They can't get the AI to stop giving them six fingers.

        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Trump's been investigated by anyone with a badge or holding an office for the last 10 years, and now, 4 days prior to the election, someone found something new?!
          Yeah, and turd isn't a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

      2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        We are getting a lot of 'credible' people coming forward ala Blasey Ford with allegations at the 11.99th hour that just happened to be held back for 30 years, and just happened to be released 5 minutes before some important event.

        Also, can you imagine?! Anonymous source says billionaires known for womanizing seen with naked women.

        This completely changes my opinion on the guy who we spent last 2 elections talking about him fucking pornstars...

      3. mamabug   8 months ago

        He's a sleaze when it comes to women, but he has a type. Underage and virginal is not it.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      If Wolff knows Epstein had those pictures, how about he go all out and release every fucking name in the guy's list?

      Oh, that's right, we all know why that won't happen, lol.

      1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

        Red, I really do hope that Epstein's client list, and P Diddy's perversion list are released. I assume the NSA has them, lol. The overlap of the two will be very revealing. Those people should be named, and shamed. Or prosecuted.

        1. R Mac   8 months ago

          Pit. Of. Snakes.

    3. mad.casual   8 months ago

      spaghetti at the wall

      Al dente. For a guy who ran Miss America, “photos with topless young women” isn’t even near the precipice of “dead girl/live boy”.

      Half the attendees of any given concert, music festival, or Burning Man event have been photographed “with topless young women”.

      1. Rick James   8 months ago

        , or Burning Man event have been photographed “with topless young women”.

        This, sir, makes you a real libertarian... trying to make Burning Man cool.

  10. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

    *Chemjeff laughs, rubs his hands with glee*

    Democrats: “We must stop the spread of misinformation.”

    Also Democrats:

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      "The story of a Transgender Dad giving Birth."

      Why are "Transgender Dad" and "Birth" capitalized like that? Is this like how we need to capitalize black now too?

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        I imagine their knowledge of grammar is as normative as their knowledge of biology.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Why else would they use “they/their” as singular pronouns?

        2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          Grammer and spelin be racist.

          1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

            Don't forget your math. The three R's are actually three K's.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

              Also time-keeping, work ethics, logic, and physical reality.

              These people are bringing back the Cargo Cult (look it up).

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      damn, they got a picture of me post- chipotle

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        In that case, one is ready to give a different type of birth. Probably not as fast as say, Taco Bell though.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

      Normal people:

      'it doesn't matter what your family looks like, as long as you are safe and loved.'

      Garbage people:

      'We alone get to decide what are the acceptable family structures.'

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        Normal people:

        'Women get pregnant and have babies'

        Garbage people:

        'Actually men get pregnant too'

        Sorry you picked the wrong team. Your side is divorced from reality and live in a fantasy world

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          Normal people:

          There is a difference between the biological definitions and the sociological definitions of 'men' and 'women', and has been the case going back a thousand years.

          Garbage people:

          We alone define what the terms 'man' and 'woman' mean, and you suck if you don't submit to our narrow definitions.

          1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

            Just to be clear, you are on team "you are weird if you think men cant get pregnant"

            Here's a nice big "L" for you to hold on to Jeffy.

            You and Dylan Mulvaney holding down the "normal" side of the argument, lmao

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              Your team demands that we all submit to a narrow biological definition of 'man' and 'woman' to apply in all cases in all situations even though that has never been the case throughout human history. Your team demands this because you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language.

              1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

                …a narrow biological definition of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ to apply in all cases in all situations even though that has never been the case throughout human history.

                In other words:
                I identify as _________, therefore I am _____________.

                Does this statement also apply to furries? blackface? unaccredited chemists?

                1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

                  I identify as Commandant of the United States Marine Corps.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  I identify as Napoleon, therefore I am Napoleon.

                  /we used to commit people for this sort of stupid shit.

                  1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

                    Sometimes it's fun to have an eccentric neighbor.

                  2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    I identify as Napoleon, therefore I am Napoleon.

                    Let’s see, checking my newspeak dictionary…

                    I think as long as you specify whether you mean the 19th century Frenchman, or Pedro's friend, you should be in the clear.

                    Direct any questions you may have to Tennessee Coates.

              2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                Garbage people:

                “Faking “men” being pregnant = it doesn’t matter what your family looks like, as long as you are safe and loved.’”

                “I’m going to lie and pretend that there’s a difference between two words of different etymological origins but the same meaning is totally historical and not an invention of a pedophile named Money in the 60’s. Watch = “There is a difference between the biological definitions and the sociological definitions of ‘men’ and ‘women’, and has been the case going back a thousand years.””

                “narrow biological definition of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ to apply in all cases”

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  Garbage people:

                  I insist that you all use a narrow biological definition of 'man' and 'woman' to apply in all cases and in all situations, and if you disagree it only proves that you are a communist pedophile.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    What is a woman, dip?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      What is a square?

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      A figure with four equal sides that meet at ninety degree angles. Next?

                      Now, Jeffy, do unicorns exist?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      A figure with four equal sides that meet at ninety degree angles. Next?

                      Bzzt!

                      A square is the result of a number that has been multiplied by itself.

                      A square is also an open meeting place in a town.

                      A square is also a person who is conventional, or not ‘hip’.

                      So – news flash – words in English quite often have multiple meanings. Shocking, isn’t it?

                      The same is true of the words ‘man’ and ‘woman’. Hard to believe, right?

                    4. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                      “What is a square?”

                      Oh fucking wow!

                      You’re going to claim it’s a rectangle or some other sort of irregular quadrilateral, aren’t you?

                      But seriously. Until Money came along in the sixties “gender” was never not synonymous with “biological sex”. Your claim to historicity is a lie.

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      The same is true of the words ‘man’ and ‘woman’. Hard to believe, right?

                      LOL, a geometric figure doesn’t suddenly decide that it’s a town square after being created as a geometric figure, and that anyone denying that it’s a town square is trying to erase it from existence.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      a geometric figure doesn’t suddenly decide that it’s a town square after being created as a geometric figure

                      Bad analogy. Again you are denying that words have multiple meanings that are used in different contexts.

                      Better analogy: "That town 'square' doesn't have four equal sides, you are totally lying by calling it a 'square' and you're forcing me to accept a delusion when you demand that I call it a 'square'!"

                    7. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      Jeff, are you familiar with the term “equivocation”?

                      If only Aristotle could be reincarnated, to punch you in the face.

                    8. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                      Oh he's familiar alright, "equivocation" was his major.

                    9. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      Bad analogy. Again you are denying that words have multiple meanings that are used in different contexts.

                      You're the one who brought it up. If the analogy sucks, it's because it was a shit example to begin with.

                  2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

                    LOL - “narrow definition”

                    Chemist rails against all sorts of “narrow definitions”, like “crime” being “up”, and 2+2 = “4”

                  3. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

                    Correct.

              3. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

                So if men can get pregnant as you write, does that mean that abortion is a sacrament?

              4. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

                Jeffy thinks this is a valid point that makes him look sane and logical. This is how far gone the left is people. There is no redeeming somebody this disconnected from reality.

                1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                  Jeff has always sucked, but he is getting a lot worse lately.

              5. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

                "because you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language."

                Ya, that kind of histrionic rhetoric might work on reddit, but not here kiddo.

                No one is trying to delete them or "erase their existence" They are not more transgender than I am transracial or transspecies because I think I am.

                Just because you think the earth is flat, and I think you are a retard and say "no it isnt" doesnt mean I intend to erase your existence. I simply am pointing out that "your truth" has no resemblance to "the truth"

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  You are proving my point. You think transgenderism is imaginary and fake. And to try to enforce your point of view, you insist that not just you, but everyone else use the narrow biological definition of ‘male’ and ‘female’. And in so doing, you deny the legitimate existence of transgender people entirely.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    Playing dress up doesn’t make one the other.

                  2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

                    We have to have some kind of standard of objective truth, and that starts at calling out blatantly retarded, pseudoscience, bunk.

                    The foundation of science is healthy skepticism. Im extremely skeptical of "their truth" and the more likely scenario is they are mentally ill (definitionally)

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Here is some objective truth:

                      There is a biological definition of 'man' and 'woman' that is associated with a person's genetics.

                      There is also a person's identity, or how that person conceptualizes him/herself.

                      These two concepts are separate and distinct from one another.

                      Please let us know when you decide to join us in the rest of the reality-based world.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Jeffy, no matter what you do, short of diet and exercise, you can conceptualize yourself as “skinny” all you want. It doesn’t change the fact you’re still a fat fuck. That’s reality.

                    3. R Mac   8 months ago

                      Lying Jeffy just wants a world were everyone treats his lies as truth.

                      Oh, and he also wants to be able to fuck kids.

                  3. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

                    transgenderism is imaginary and fake

                    Correct.

                    1. rbike   8 months ago

                      Chemguy gets muted over this. Can he get more stupid and useless. And no one really cares about adult trans people until they start sticking their noses where they don't belong: children, women's sports, etc.

                2. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

                  you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language

                  Correct.

          2. Zeb   8 months ago

            When in any society in history has having the capacity to give birth not been the essential defining characteristic of a woman? That's the entire distinction. Women are the females of the species, the ones who produce eggs and have a uterus. That's what it has always meant and it becomes meaningless if biological sex isn't part of it. Yes, there are rare exceptions of women who don't have complete reproductive organs. But that is exactly why the phrase "the exception that proves the rule" exists.
            If you think you can live your best life presenting as the opposite sex, I don't care and I wish you the best. But that doesn't change the basic underlying reality.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              Yes, a biological definition of 'woman' or 'female' is that it is the sex that bears young. That is the biological definition of the word 'woman'. That is not the only definition of the word 'woman'.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

                I think we are going to need the jeffsarc definition of "definition". Is it like facts changed?

                1. See.More   8 months ago

                  > Is it like facts changed?
                  "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." - W. Clinton

              2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                I suppose if you believe that words can mean whatever you want (and you can change your definition to fit your agenda du jour), then sure.

                Of course, this would suggest you support the post-modern claim that every human idea is just a construct, and language is a weapon in the never-ending power struggle. Good luck with that.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  And here we have the opposite absurdity - "you just think the words 'male' and 'female' have any meaning at all!"

                  No, that is not true either.

                  We are not forced to choose between the false binary of "male and female have only one strict biological definition" and "male and female have no fixed meaning whatsoever".

                  The sociological definition, which normal people refer to as gender, is about how a person conceptualizes his/her own identity, and how a person decides to present him/herself to the rest of the world. A person's gender may or may not align with a person's biological sex and there is nothing wrong if they don't align.

                  It is only you and your team which insists that the two must align and that there is something wrong if they don't align.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    So, again, Jeffy, in your own words, what is a woman?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Since we have established that in English, words very often have multiple meanings, when you ask "what is a woman", to which particular definition of the word are you referring?

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      If "gender is just a social construct," fat boy, then your side doesn't need to demand that children be given puberty blocking hormones and radical reconstructive surgery or they're being oppressed.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Okay? I have never claimed that gender affirming care is necessary in order to 'fight oppression'. If you want to argue against those people, take it up with them.

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      Okay? I have never claimed that gender affirming care is necessary in order to ‘fight oppression’.

                      You’re claiming that not agreeing with a man who says he’s a woman is literally trying to erase him from existence. Now you’re deflecting that the demand to provide radical medical procedures to children isn’t part of the same activist construct.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Dude, you are the one who wants to try to tie everything together into one Marxist framework. Maybe try to listen to the argument being presented instead of trying to project some dialectic in your head onto everything.

                      You’re claiming that not agreeing with a man who says he’s a woman is literally trying to erase him from existence.

                      No - what I'm claiming, is that your team's demand that the words 'man' and 'woman' have one and only one meaning, that associated with biology and genetics, is a way to try to deny the existence of anyone else who doesn't fit within your narrow definition. Go right ahead and disagree with anything you want. The problem is when your 'disagreement' extends to trying to rewrite the dictionary.

                    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      Dude, you are the one who wants to try to tie everything together into one Marxist framework. Maybe try to listen to the argument being presented instead of trying to project some dialectic in your head onto everything.

                      Dude, you are the one who said that not affirming a mentally ill person's delusion is trying to erase them from existence. Don't whine about a dialectic being called out when you're the one who asserted it to begin with.

              3. Zeb   8 months ago

                The biological definition and sociological definition have been so closely linked as to be pretty much synonymous throughout almost all of human history. This predates a scientific definition of anything. Before people knew about chromosomes or the details of sexual reproduction there was no uncertainty (outside of the rare variations) about who was a man or a woman. "Has a dick" and "Has a vagina and uterus" is not hard to figure out. If you want to change the definition of "woman" to include people with dicks, you are making it mean the opposite of what most people consider it to mean. If you want to do that fine, but now you are speaking a different language.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  The biological definition and sociological definition have been so closely linked as to be pretty much synonymous throughout almost all of human history.

                  That is largely true, but I view that as problematic. Because the people who "have a dick" or "have a vagina" were expected to take on the sociological roles of everyone else who "have a dick" or "have a vagina". And if a person's self-conceptualization did not match the sociological standard that was imposed upon them, they were told to just suck it up, hide it, call it mental illness, etc. And now we have reached a point where we all are much more free to embrace who we truly conceptualize ourselves to be, and one team cannot stand that.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    Oh for fucks sake. The only actual roles they need to take on are those dictated by biology. Men cannot gestate and birth children. Women cannot produce the small gamate. Men can’t nurse children (we are not birds). After those, a lot of roles are dictated by our sexual dimorphism. You can’t change nor control that.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  If you want to change the definition of “woman” to include people with dicks

                  It is not changing the definition of anything. It is recognizing that the word 'woman' (and 'man') has ALWAYS had multiple definitions. Do I need to break out the 1912 Oxford dictionary again? There is a definition relating to biology (has a dick/vagina). There is ALSO a definition relating to one's identity. So a person can be a 'man' according to one definition, but a 'woman' according to another definition, and that is totally fine. It isn't breaking any rules of English, it isn't forcing men to be women or vice-versa, it isn't denying biology, it is understanding that words have different meanings in different contexts.

                  1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

                    I think I get it now.

                    "We are increasing the chocolate ration from 15 grams to 10 grams."

                    Thanks Ministry of Truth.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      “But we increased it from 15 (metric) grams to 10 (former senator Phil) grams! Or was it to 10 gram crackers? Either way, words mean whatever I want them to mean, so I win!”

                      -chemjeff radical individualist

                  2. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

                    Once again, Jeffy displays that he doesn't know how dictionaries work.

                3. See.More   8 months ago

                  The iconic, meme-worthy scene in Kindergarten Cop could not be made today...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96h1dYQrj0

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          Normal people:

          ‘it doesn’t matter what your family looks like, as long as you are safe and loved.’

          Garbage people:

          I will get a huge hangup over a so-called "family" with a so-called "transgender" so-called "man" and I don't give a shit about these families.

          1. Zeb   8 months ago

            They can and should do what they want and I hope it works for them. It's the public declaration and insistence that everyone pretend it's true and correct to say that men can give birth that bothers most people I think.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              'A biological woman living as a transgender man is capable of giving birth and having a family' isn't quite the catchy book title.

              1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                Maybe they should have stuck fairy wings on them to illustrate the fantasy nature of the story?

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                There’s no such thing as “transgender”, Jeffy. It’s merely a woman dressed in stereotypical men’s clothing.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language

                  1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

                    sure, just as much as you would erase me if I declared my personality and identity relies on Trump being god king and emperor of the universe.

                    If Trump isnt god king of the universe, as I believe, you are erasing me and my identity and my truth

                    Why are you erasing me and my people?

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    There’s no such thing as “transgender”, Jeffy. They’re men wearing stereotypical women’s clothing and maybe taking hormones or got themselves castrated. If it’s the last one, they’re called eunuchs. They’re also women wearing stereotypical men’s clothing and maybe taking hormones, and maybe even gotten a double mastectomy. Doesn’t change the fact they lack a Y chromosome.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Every time you post "there's no such thing as transgender", you prove my point even further:

                      you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Do unicorns exist, Jeffy?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      The concept of a unicorn exists. Do you want to delete the word 'unicorn' from the dictionary because there is no physical animal matching the description of 'unicorn'?

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      The concept of a unicorn exists

                      So what you're saying is that a man saying he's a woman is just conceptualizing it.

                    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      And likewise with a “transgender”. There is no such thing in real life.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      I fully support your right to believe in whatever delusion that you wish.

                    7. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      I fully support your right to believe in whatever delusion that you wish.

                      That’s rather rich, coming from you, the king of delusion here.

            2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

              ^this.

              Sorry Jeff, just because its in vogue with your set to pretend the emperor has clothes, doesn't mean the rest of us have to go along with the shared delusion.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                Go right ahead and believe whatever you want. You don't get to force YOUR beliefs onto everyone else.

                If you want to call a trans-man a 'woman', go right ahead. I fully support your right to do so if you so choose. I also fully support everyone else's right to call you a bigoted asshole if they so choose.

                The issue really isn't about what you believe. The issue is what everyone else believes. Lots of other people are totally comfortable with calling a trans-man a 'man' and THAT bugs the shit out of you.

                1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

                  You don’t get to force YOUR beliefs onto everyone else.

                  Isn't that the entire point of gender ideology, though? How do you write this without pausing to recognize the contradiction?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                    There is one team that recognizes *reality*, including the reality that there is a difference between gender and sex, and that a person's gender identity does not necessarily have to align with a person's biological sex.

                    Then, there is another team which denies this reality and wants to substitute their ideological beliefs for reality. Such as a belief that there is one and only one definition of the word 'man', the one rooted in biology.

                    One side is the reality-based side, the other side is the one practicing 'gender ideology'.

                    1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

                      Then, there is another team which denies this reality and wants to substitute their ideological beliefs for reality.

                      Again, isn't this just true of the "Gender affirming" people? Being "born in the wrong body" doesn't have any physical basis in reality, it's all metaphysical. It's feelings without any actual scientific basis.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Being “born in the wrong body” doesn’t have any physical basis in reality

                      Does any person's identity have any 'physical basis in reality'? For example, I identify as a patriotic American. And while I have the legal papers to prove that I am a legal US citizen (the physical reality), those papers are different than a feeling of pride that is associated with the concept of patriotism. Is this all fake and not real?

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      Does any person’s identity have any ‘physical basis in reality’? For example, I identify as a patriotic American

                      Saying you're not actually a patriotic American isn't erasing you from existence, you fat mendacious fuck.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      If you were to argue that there is no such thing as 'patriotism' because it is not a physical object, and you go around telling people who claim to be 'patriotic' that they are delusional and lying, and you object to even using the term 'patriotism' to refer to people who might feel pride in one's country, then yeah I think you would be in favor of trying to erase patriots from existence by manipulation of the language.

                    5. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

                      If you were to argue that there is no such thing as ‘patriotism’ because it is not a physical object, and you go around telling people who claim to be ‘patriotic’ that they are delusional and lying

                      No, this isn’t what I would say. I would say your patriotism is entirely subjective, unprovable, and therefore, I’m completely at liberty to disagree with you. I don’t have to use patriotic pronouns to refer to you.

                      The people who are denying reality are the ones who claim that failing to affirm their patriotism is doing violence against them, is causing them actual harm, when that is a subjective attribute. I don’t give a shit how they identify.

                      They will actually deny aspects of reality. They claim that biological sex isn’t binary (which it is, even if there’s a 0.01% of genetically androgynous people with mixed up chromosomes). They use weird language like “Gender assigned at birth” instead of “sex observed at birth” which is simply what is true. It’s reality distorting. They conflate the idea of being female with being feminine, and claim being female has nothing to do with reproduction which it definitionally does.

                      I acknowledge subjective reality and people can choose to identify however the fuck they want. But that doesn’t mean they have the right to force me into agreeing, or to saying that it’s objectively true that they’re women despite having fully intact, functional male anatomy. If they want to transition, if they want to chop it off and live as a different gender, it’s obviously none of my business and I don’t wish them any harm. It’s their attempt to force me to affirm their worldview which is the problem.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      But that doesn’t mean they have the right to force me into agreeing,

                      No one here is in favor of using government force to compel you to agree to anything.

                      or to saying that it’s objectively true that they’re women despite having fully intact, functional male anatomy.

                      *sigh* once again, words in English have multiple meanings

                      A meeting place in a town is called a "square".
                      A 2-D geometric object with four equal sides is also called a "square".
                      That does not mean that a meeting place in a town is the same as a 2-D geometric object with four equal sides. It means, instead, that the word 'square' has multiple meanings.

                      So, a person born with male genitalia is called a "man".
                      A person who dresses up as a man and presents to the world in a manner associated with conventional male stereotypes, is also called a "man".

                      That doesn't mean that every person born with male genitalia MUST ALSO NECESSARILY BE a person who dresses up according to social male conventions. See the difference?

                    7. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Jeffy, you really are an idiot, aren’t you?

                      Your equivocation is just stupid here as you’ve got it backwards while thinking you’re smart by using a dictionary.

                      The square one is based off the fact a square follows the definition I provided above.

                      The square of a number is based on this as the area of a square comes from the fact the sides are equal length.

                      A town square is called such as it is roughly in the shape of a square. It does not hold true on other languages such as Mexican Spanish where it’s called a zocalo.

                      As for the slang term, you should realize slag terms come after the original and may be used without relation to the original (see “bad” for cool/good in the 80s).

                      Ditto for woman, dipshit. The other terms derive from “woman” meaning “female human”.

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Oh, so all of the definitions for the word 'square' have some commonality to them. Amazing! It's almost as if that is how languages evolve!

                      But, the fact remains: is a 2-D geometric object with four equal sides, literally equivalent to a public meeting space in a town? The answer is no. They are both called a 'square' because there is a similarity between them. But they are not exactly the same.

                    9. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      If you were to argue

                      How about you stick to what I actually argued. The rest of your post can be summarily dismissed.

                    10. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      A person who dresses up as a man and presents to the world in a manner associated with conventional male stereotypes, is also called a “man”.

                      Except being a man isn't actually about playing dress-up. Especially when you have to undergo radical medical procedures to try and enhance the illusion.

                    11. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      One. More. Time.
                      Words have multiple meanings.

                      "Being a man" could refer to a person's biology, or it could refer to a person's identity. Which one is it?

                    12. R Mac   8 months ago

                      A true psychopath folks.

                    13. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      One. More. Time.
                      Not enabling the delusion of a mentally ill man who says he’s a woman doesn’t erase his existence.

                    14. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      “Being a man” could refer to a person’s biology, or it could refer to a person’s identity. Which one is it?

                      So which is it?

                    15. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      False dilemma.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              ^ This. We need not affirm anyone.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                That's fine. I fully protect your right to not affirm anyone that you choose. I also fully protect the right of everyone else to call you a bigoted asshole if they so choose.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  And I don’t need to affirm your delusions and stupidity, fucktard.

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

            Normal people: Lol. Whatever, dude.

            Garbage Jeff people: OH, NO, NO!!!! Tolerance is not good enough! You must *CELEBRATE* my delusions, or you are *GARBAGE*!!!!

            Seriously, get help, dude.

            (You are a dude, aren’t you?) haha.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              Nope. Go ahead and be an intolerant dickhead if that is what you choose. Go ahead and spit on transgender people. You have, or ought to have, every right to do so.

              Everyone else also has, or should have, every right to call you a bigoted asshole in response.

              That is what most bugs you. You want the right to be a bigot and not to be called out on it.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                Go blow, fat fucking bitch.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Can men get pregnant, Jeffy?

      3. sarcasmic   8 months ago

        Team Red will never tire of invading bedrooms.

        1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

          Wait, but the book is about a man who got pregnant. It really seems the authors are the ones putting bedroom activities out there to be judged.

          1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

            If she didn't want to get raped she shouldn't have dressed so slutty.

            1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

              Kurt Russel is probably the best example ever of a child actor who carried over into being an adult actor and didn't follow the life path of many former child actors. He also didn't turn into an insufferable douchebag like Wil Wheaton, and is a well-adjusted father in a healthy relationship. I wish he'd made a ton more movies during his peak.

              1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

                I loved that movie Stargate.

                It was the best among the isekai genre.

                1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

                  The Thing is arguably the greatest horror movie ever made. It's up there with Alien . And Tombstone is fantastic.

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                    Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              So, dressed in stereotypical men’s clothing, she was dressing slutty?

              Are pants and shirts your idea of slutty?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                And unless she was Euro-American, pants and shirts are also cultural appropriation.

            3. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

              Sarc thinks women taking huge amounts of male hormones while pregnant to keep up a delusion, totally won't harm the child.

        2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          “We have pictures of trump with topless women”!

        3. R Mac   8 months ago

          It’s a children’s book sarc. Guess we can officially move you into the pedo column.

      4. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

        The hills jeff decides to die on are simply bizarre.

        1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

          I don't understand it at all. Genetics is genetics. That is the science, heh.

        2. R Mac   8 months ago

          He’s a psychopathic liar. I’m not being hyperbolic when I say that.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

          Jeff will eventually come out as an OBL style parody that *really, really* committed to never dropping character and got us all to argue with him for years.

          It’s the only explanation.

      5. Marshal   8 months ago

        Fake Jeffey:

        Americans should be respectful to each other, this animosity is wrong.

        Real Jeffey:

        People I hate are "garbage people".

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          Real Marshal:

          Everyone not on my team is always wrong on every topic.

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            You've got like a hundred people pointing out what a lying piece of shit you are and telling you to fuck off today. That's got to be a personal best, huh?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              And to boot, he isn’t even getting backup from Sarc or Shrike.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Sarc must be busy gathering straw, pounding schlitz, or both.

          2. Marshal   8 months ago

            Real Jeffey:

            I invent whatever is helpful in attacking those I hate, reality is not a relevant factor.

      6. R Mac   8 months ago

        Of course Lying Jeffy supports brainwashing kids with lies.

  11. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

    the wave of ads ... that claim Donald Trump voters are being somehow bullying or pressuring their wives

    On Fox last night the take was like 'those depraved Dems are now telling women to lie to their husbands and men to lie to their friends.'

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      It's weird as hell, and demonstrates the misandrist cat lady aspect of the Democratic party, that they think married women have to lie to their husbands about their vote.

      That's going to piss non-cat-lady women off.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Yet study after study shows familial retaliation is from left wing family members casting out their republican families.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Yup. In this century, the devout religious zealots who cannot tolerate non-believers are on the left.

      2. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

        It's the plague of identity politics. They can't understand that women are individuals with their own preferences. They're Women with a capital "W" and are inherently on team Woman, and should vote for the Woman, and the only reason they wouldn't is because they've been abused and gaslit.

        Meanwhile the world is full of women who are individuals and identify as Susan, Amanda, or Maria, and don't view every other woman in the world as being on their "team."

        1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

          Be careful of "women" named Amanda. It's a favorite name used by trans people. As in "A man, duh."

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          +1

          See the “protect women whether they like it or not” reaction. They can’t fathom that, e.g., *women* in AL don’t want abortion or think IVF clinics *should* be liable up to the point of accidental death for losing embryos. They can’t fathom that women in IL, CA, or NY might think the same way and not want to see their laws written the same way or even that they need protection for their right to pray in front of an abortion clinic.

          By the reactions and implications of their perceptions, they fundamentally don’t see women as individuals, they see them as a voting block to startle and “Shoe!” around like a flock of chickens or herd of sheep.

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      and of course imagine the converse:

      "Hey Patriots, dont feel bad keeping your vote hidden from your nagging hen pecking shitlib wife, vote the right way!"

      and the prog freak out that would result

      1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

        Small audience for that—few shitlib women are married.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Well, yeah, the whole purpose of marxism is to subvert and undermine families, and to alienate family members from each other in order to re-direct loyalty to the marxist construct.

      That's why you've got Democrats openly telling women that the males in their family are a bunch of Oppressors, and that it's okay to lie to them in service to the cult.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        " marxism is to subvert and undermine families"

        Tom Parson's daughter is viewed as a hero to these people

      2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this
        infamous proposal of the Communists.
        On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based?
        On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family
        exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its
        complement in the practical absence of the family among the
        proletarians, and in public prostitution.
        The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its
        complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
        Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by
        their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.
        But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace
        home education by social.
        And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social
        conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or
        indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not
        invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to
        alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the
        influence of the ruling class.
        The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the
        hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more
        disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties
        among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed
        into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          "To the barricades, comrades!"

          And later, some politically-correct orgies.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   8 months ago

      or that this ginned-up oppression will appeal to fence-sitters. It's the line Democrats appear to be taking in the lead-up to the election, but it strikes me as manufactured at best, insulting at worst.

      The psychotic fuckers were willing to burn cities down last election because black lives matter orangemanbad, I hope this bullshit is the limit of their election tricks this time around.

  12. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Taxpayer-funded transition surgery for illegal alien detainees? Harris: Yes.

    Harris-ACLU-Candidate-Questionnaire.pdf

    14. As President will you use your executive authority to ensure that transgender and non binary people who rely on the state for medical care — including those in prison and immigration detention — will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care? If yes, how will you do so?

    Yes X No ⬜ Explanation (no more than 500 words): It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment associated with gender transition. That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender transition surgery to state inmates. I support policies ensuring that federal prisoners and detainees are able to obtain medically necessary care for gender transition, including surgical care, while incarcerated or detained. Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to deliver transition treatment.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Weird.

  13. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

    It just keeps getting better.

    https://x.com/scottadamssays/status/1852326903501504645?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    The Harris campaign is doing great this past week.

    Harris got the endorsement of Diddy party attendees J Lo and LeBron.

    Joe Biden nibbled on babies in public

    Jill Biden dressed as a pedophile mascot (panda) for Halloween.

    Biden called Trump supporters garbage.

    Harris surrogate Mark Cuban called women who support Trump weak and dumb.

    On the positive side, Bruce Springsteen endorsed Harris but mispronounced her name like only a racist does.

    And Harris awkwardly attended a Black barber shop but no one cared.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      And Harris awkwardly attended a Black barber shop but no one cared.

      They were probably thinking, "What is this crazy hoe doing in a place like this?"

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        I really enjoyed the CNN folks going over their previous little street interview of people asking black barbershops if Kamala is black, and a bunch of them being like "fuck no, she aint black" and the elite brownstone journo class trying to figure out "I mean I just cant believe they would say something like that, what do they mean?!"

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Skin color is the most important thing.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            But with Harris, skin color is the most confusing thing.

            1. Unable2Reason   8 months ago

              She needs to get a public DNA test to prove that she's more Native American than Liz Warren.

    2. Ron   8 months ago

      I'm not even sure it was a real barber shop and not a set. at one point the camera person points and takes a quick shot at the ceiling beyond its a fucking set

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        oops

    3. mamabug   8 months ago

      Wait - the Panda has now been coopted as a pedophile symbol? First the rainbow, now this.

      1. R Mac   8 months ago

        Yeah, I was not familiar with it until yesterday. I recommend you just accept it as such and not further research it. I regret seeing why.

  14. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/10/15/whats-so-triggering-about-the-canterbury-tales/

    The Mail on Sunday reported at the weekend that the University of Nottingham is warning students that Geoffrey Chaucer’s epic poem contains ‘expressions of Christian faith’.

    If lecturers felt compelled to give a heads up to students who had experienced trauma, violent scenes abound in Chaucer’s work. There’s the grim pursuit of death in ‘The Pardoner’s Tale’ that leads to one murder by stabbing and two by poisoning. ‘The Monk’s Tale’ goes one better. It features cannibalism, poisoning, hanging, beheading, suicide and children starving to death. The Wife of Bath – who was hit round the head by a former husband until she lost her hearing in one ear – tells of a young ‘mayde’ who was raped by a ‘lusty bacheler’ from King Arthur’s court. Meanwhile, the young wife in ‘The Clerk’s Tale’ is forced to obey her husband, even when he convinces her he has had their children executed. Then there’s the Prioress who relays a story of blood libel. A young boy, she tells her fellow pilgrims, was wandering in a Jewish ghetto, innocently singing songs in praise of the Virgin Mary, when he had his throat cut, his entrails removed and his body thrown into a sewage pit. He reappears before his grieving mother in ghost-like form.

    None of these acts is felt worthy of a trigger warning by Nottingham’s lecturers. And to be clear, that’s a good thing. The gruesome details are a large part of why Chaucer continues to fascinate readers today. ‘The Pardoner’s Tale’ is funny, not horrific. The Wife of Bath is feisty, not a victim. This cast of characters reflect life in the Middle Ages, but they also speak to an eternal human appetite for stories that shock, horrify and humour us. The fact that rape, child abuse, knife crime or anti-Semitism were not flagged up, while students were warned about ‘expressions of Christianity’, exposes the true purpose that now lies behind trigger warnings.

    By highlighting Christianity as the supposed problem, Nottingham lecturers are signalling to students that Chaucer’s work is a relic from an unenlightened past – a product of an era where diversity, equity and inclusion did not figure. The Canterbury Tales may have a few strong women, but they’re all white. And, worse, they’re all Christians. There are no Muslims, no black people, no transgender folx. Just old, English Christians. The horror! The trigger warning is meant as a big red flag to literature students, telling them not to enjoy Chaucer’s Tales. They must not laugh at the bawdiness or grimace at the murders. They must hold their noses and read solely to label ‘expressions of Christianity’ problematic.

    1. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

      And what is The Miller's Tale, chopped liver? Canterbury is great!

    2. Eeyore   8 months ago

      There isn't a single human in the entire collection. Very non inclusive.

    3. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      "Geoffrey Chaucer’s epic poem contains ‘expressions of Christian faith’."

      The London Caliphate isn't going to like that. Nottingham is only a four day march down the M1.

  15. Eeyore   8 months ago

    What about all those men forced to sleep on the couch or even the garage, because they refused to vote correctly?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      The DNC recommends they watch pr0n or transition.

      1. Eeyore   8 months ago

        What if their wife also forbids porn and/or transitioning?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Go to Canada for MAiD?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            But first take out the trash.

            1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

              That’s men’s work.

          2. Dillinger   8 months ago

            don't goto Canada without catastrophic euthanasia insurance.

            1. Eeyore   8 months ago

              "Will you be using private insurance or M.A.I.D. for today's visit?"

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                One takes your wallet. The other takes your life.

  16. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    Anything on the Wisconson ballot stuffer in Milwaukee?

  17. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

    @LizWolfe...Thank you (sincerely) for talking about the Trad Wife movement. My wife gave up her career to be a SAHM. I cannot ever really repay her for that sacrifice. That sacrifice wasn't just financial, it was emotional, mental and spiritual sacrifice, too.

    Fast forward decades later...two children who are productive members of society. It is worth it.

    It is worth it, Liz Wolfe. You won't think so many times, but I promise you when you're in your early 60's, you will understand and appreciate what I am telling you. Hope you see this post.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Dude, everything in life is a trade-off. Glad you think your wife made a noble sacrifice by giving up some career rewards. But do you really think she did not find other rewards on the path she chose? And had she stuck with her career, wouldn't she sacrifice those?

      1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

        You're right about the trade-off. I suppose we could have had a much higher financial standard of living, but at what cost? My wife was never going to allow some stranger to raise our kid, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week - a stranger who may, or may not share our moral and cultural values.

        She has expressed mixed feelings from time to time. I think that is true of pretty much every person alive...we have mixed feelings about past decisions.

  18. NoVaNick   8 months ago

    It all fits in with the left’s view that women can never be autonomous individuals and will do what their hubbies say. How sexist!

  19. Minadin   8 months ago

    So, the new jobs report came out, and it's apparently pretty brutal. August and September both revised down, by 31k and 81k, respectively. (weird how the revisions almost always seem to go one way) And October saw a net gain of just 12k nationwide, which was about 100k less than experts were expecting.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/us-jobs-report-october-2024.html

    https://twitter.com/ArynneWexler/status/1852343745846329562

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Best economy evah!

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      They’re blaming the hurricanes so they’ll figure out how to blame it on climate change.

      1. Minadin   8 months ago

        They're also blaming the Boeing Machinists' Union strike.

        1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

          Yep, all 33,000 of them.
          Out of 167 million or so. Huge impact!

      2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        But there's also "a 25,000-job bump in government jobs due to election workers."

        1. Minadin   8 months ago

          So if we added 25,000 temporary election worker jobs, and ended up with a 'net' gain of just 12k total, and considering the initial reports are consistently, um, 'optimistic' . . . that's pretty bad.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      The big September jobs report was fully from a very high and abnormal seasonal adjustment.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      JD Vance was wrong about job numbers.

  20. mad.casual   8 months ago

    manufactured at best, insulting at worst

    The word you’re looking for is “Evil”, Liz. Evil.

    “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.” advances sexual infidelity within marriages but doesn’t contain all the extra, immoral non-sexual infidelity baggage with it and only advances "Vegas". Implicit in the message from a Presidential Campaign is truly evil ideas like “As a nation and a people, women should be able to abort men’s children without their consent.” and “Women should be able to regulate other women’s IVF decisions without their husbands’ input or awareness. Even if that means continuing a war with Afghanistan." Ideas that, were the shoe on the other foot and men trying to secretly dictate their wives’ or women’s rights and actions similarly, would rightly be recognized as explicitly dishonest, immoral, and malicious.

    There is no tradition or value that they won’t burn to the ground and poison everyone involved in their quest for power.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, except herpes

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        That shit stays with you.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Also your credit card debt.

  21. NoVaNick   8 months ago

    So Liz, who is getting spanked? The wives? The kids? Both? Inquiring minds want to know!

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Asian school girls?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Sarcjeff figuratively in the comment section.

  22. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

    Of course, I knew that once Biden said those words about "garbage" it would have you all fuming.

    But, he's got a point. A large number of you really are garbage.

    If you think the proper way to "secure the border" is to send the US military to murder peaceful penniless migrants in the desert, then you are a murderous piece of shit and you are garbage.

    If you think that separating kids from their parents at the border for purposes of deterrence, is an appropriate means of border security, and then if you don't give a shit when that same government deliberately creates orphans by keeping the kids in the country while deporting the parents, then you are garbage.

    If you favor abortion laws that are so restrictive that it means that women who have pregnancy complications must be at death's door before they are legally allowed to seek the health care that they need, then you are not "pro-life", you are instead "pro-birth", favoring the birth of a child even if it comes at the expense of the mother's life, and you are garbage.

    If you think it is entirely appropriate to accuse Haitian migrants in Springfield of eating cats and committing cannibalism, because some Haitian somewhere else might have done the same thing, then you are a bigoted piece of shit and you are garbage. And if you don't understand why the horrible actions of a few Haitians don't automatically apply to every Haitian everywhere, then you are a hopeless piece of garbage.

    If you think that the 2020 election was not only stolen, but that it was entirely appropriate and legitimate for Trump to direct his vice president to ignore the law and the Constitution and to decide the election and install Trump as the "rightful winner", then you are an anti-democratic authoritarian piece of shit and you are garbage.

    If you declare drag queens to be groomers and pedophiles and want to ban them from not only public libraries but ALL public spaces, in the name of "keeping kids safe" (which is a lie), then you are a homophobic piece of shit and you are garbage.

    If you pine for a civil war so that you can get away with murdering the people that you disagree with, then you are garbage.

    So note that I didn't call all conservatives to be garbage, I didn't call all Republicans to be garbage. Only the most disgusting extreme faction that has nothing but hatred and contempt for anyone except their own tribe, which seems to be the dominant faction here at Reason. So, wanting to lower taxes? Not garbage. Wanting a 'secure border'? Not garbage. Wanting a 'secure border' by murdering unarmed migrants and deliberately and purposefully creating orphans? That's garbage.

    One more time: Pro-life? Not garbage. Pro-birth to the extent that you think dead mothers are an acceptable price to pay? Garbage.

    It would be a supreme irony if Chase Oliver really did win, and he would proceed to get rid of welfare for illegals (along with everyone else), but he would do so in a cheerful manner while waving a Pride flag. You would be so angry, wouldn't you? Why isn't he scowling and condemning the illegals while he is canceling their welfare? Because it's not enough to just get rid of their welfare, he has to hate them. Right? I would love to see all of you trying to explain how Chase is a "closet progressive" when he is doing all the things that you claim to support, but without all of the animosity against the groups that you hate. That would make you mad as fuck, and I would just laugh and laugh.

    Oh, but the concern trolls (who may or may not have the initials J.P.) will say, you are a giant hypocrite! You are violating your standards for civil discourse! No, I am illustrating YOUR standards. YOUR team is totally fine with calling half of America "vermin" or "the enemy within", YOUR team is completely on board with accusing illegal immigrants of "poisoning the blood of the nation", YOUR team revels in the thought of an entire presidential campaign centered around vilifing and scapegoating immigrants (and no, not just the illegal ones either). I would love to have civil discourse. But your team has made it quite clear you don't want civil discourse. You want to throw rhetorical incendiaries at everyone that you disagree with, and then you whine like a stuck pig when that same tactic is thrown back at you. Well, here is the fruit of your desires. You're garbage and you deserve to be called garbage.

    Have a terrible weekend.

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      The most common comment ive seen from shitlibs on this:

      "those words about “garbage” it would have you all fuming."

      - AKA, you are overreacting and misrepresting what he said!!! These are not the droids you are looking for!

      "But, he’s got a point. A large number of you really are garbage."

      - AKA, but you are absolutely garbage vermin scum

      Enjoy Trump 2.0

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        You in particular are garbage vermin scum. Tell us again how many peaceful migrants you think the US military should murder in the desert in order to "send a message". Tell us again how, when pregnant women go to the ER for care due to complications from their pregnancy, that when they die it's totally the fault of 'activist doctors' who purposefully want that result. You are scum and you deserve to be called scum.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Then why are you even here, asshole? Especially if you seem to hate the lot of us, you deranged dipshitty fucker.

          Why don’t you fuck off to the Daily Kos or HuffPost where your nonsense will be more readily accepted.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            Why are YOU here? When did 'libertarian' become equivalent to 'self-absorbed right-wing garbage asshole'?

            If you and people like you are the face of the liberty movement, then we will never have liberty. Because no one in their right mind is going to vote for a society that is filled with self-absorbed narcissistic assholes.

            I want to drive you and your faction out of the liberty movement and put you where you belong, which is squarely with the Trump MAGA garbage deplorables where you belong.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              You aren’t even libertarian; you’re a fucking libertine who doesn’t seem to grasp that you have to live in the real world. You’re as bad as Hank at that while using more bandwidth to say next to nothing.

              Go join the fascist Democrats where you really belong.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                It is YOUR team that cannot grasp that you have to live in the real world, next to people who are not harming anyone or violating anyone else's rights but nonetheless have very different beliefs and practices than your own. Your team cannot stand that some parents might actually want to take their children to Drag Queen Story Hour without any 'grooming' or 'pervy' or 'creepy' intent whatsoever. That just bugs the shit out of your team and you are going to try to remake the entire world to fit your team's narrow vision.

                I want people to be free to be who they are meant to be. You want people to conform to your narrow vision of what you think they 'ought' to be. That is why I'm here and that is why you don't belong here.

                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                  I want people to be free to be who they are meant to be.

                  Well unless they are driving with bears in their trunk. Then you're clearly an asshole narcissistic busybody.

                2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                  You aren't a libertarian by any metric.

                  You are a hate-filled fascist, a mouthpiece for child molesting monsters, a racist fomenting racial discord, a voice for the oppressor's as they stomp their boots in the face of the oppressed. All while you gut the carcass of actual virtue and wear it as a skin suit to try and lend credence to your monstrous, demonic ideologies, and demand the respect it was once afforded.

                  Everything that comes slithering out of your mouth is a lie or a misrepresentation. There is no truth in anything you say.

                  Everyone here hates you and recognizes you as the monster you are. Even your fellow monsters like Pluggo or allies of convenience like the idiot drunk.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                    I see ML has reached the 'confession via projection' phase.

                    You are a hate-filled fascist,

                    that is you

                    a mouthpiece for child molesting monsters,

                    You are a mouthpiece for every monster on your tribe regardless of how monstrous they are.

                    a racist fomenting racial discord,

                    that is you - why don't you tell us again what you really think of the Haitians in Springfield

                    a voice for the oppressor’s as they stomp their boots in the face of the oppressed.

                    you and your team are among the least oppressed people on the planet. The moment anyone dares say 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' to you, you scream oppression, while happily stomping the oppressive boot onto everyone else who dares not share your cultural values, such as migrants coming here or Democrats in urban 'hellholes'.

                    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                      You're a liar and have been from the beginning. You're also a fucking idiot who doesn't see the world through anything but progressive extremist stereotypes.

                      For example here you are trying to pigeon-hole me into you stereotype of a Southern Evangelical even though you know I'm a Canadian: " The moment anyone dares say ‘Happy Holidays’ instead of ‘Merry Christmas’ to you, you scream oppression, while happily stomping the oppressive boot onto everyone else who dares not share your cultural values"

                      Zero evidence that I have ever said something like that, but as tropes is the only way an evil fuck like you sees his enemies. You imagine everyone that opposes your demonic, anti-human agenda gives a fuck about a greeting.

                      But for the record it is pretty ballsy of your favorite corporations to try and reap huge revenues off a Christian holiday, while acting like acknowledging the holiday itself is the most offensive, repugnant thing you can do to some one.

                      Incidentally, many Muslims celebrate Christmas too as Isa ibn Maryam is still the messiah in Islam. The only people who could possibly be offended hearing "Merry Christmas" are monsters like you.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      you are trying to pigeon-hole me into you stereotype of a Southern Evangelical even though you know I’m a Canadian

                      Moralizing assholes exist everywhere, not just in Alabama.

                      Zero evidence that I have ever said something like that

                      except when you write

                      But for the record it is pretty ballsy of your favorite corporations to try and reap huge revenues off a Christian holiday, while acting like acknowledging the holiday itself is the most offensive, repugnant thing you can do to some one.

                      You are a fucking clown.

                    3. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                      “Moralizing assholes exist everywhere, not just in Alabama.

                      You’re right! Check this creepy fucker out:

                      You in particular are garbage vermin scum.
                      ‘it doesn’t matter what your family looks like, as long as you are safe and loved.’
                      we have reached a point where we all are much more free to embrace who we truly conceptualize ourselves to be, and one team cannot stand that.
                      Garbage people: I insist that you all use a narrow biological definition of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ to apply in all cases and in all situations, and if you disagree it only proves that you are a communist pedophile.”

                      Monsters moralizing is the most 21st century thing ever.
                      Anyhoo, TLDR: KKKemjeff hates Christmas and is a Nazi pedophile.

                    4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      It’ll go right over his head, ML. I sincerely doubt Jeffy has the ability to feel, much less conceptualize shame.

                3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                  “That just bugs the shit out of your team….”

                  Lol. Says the guy having a no shit meltdown for all to see.

            2. MK Ultra   8 months ago

              Your unhappiness is pleasing.

              1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                Next week it be up to 11.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  Wednesday should be fun.

            3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

              Because no one in their right mind is going to vote for a society that is filled with self-absorbed narcissistic assholes.

              Not supported by evidence:
              Biden, fits definition
              Trump, fits definition
              Obama, fits definition
              Bush
              Clinton
              ....

            4. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

              Good idea, but confronting a gaggle/shrewdness of masked cretins with ideas they cannot grasp might be less effective than supporting Chase's campaign. Exposing ordure-flinging fallacies and vandalism before honest observers might work better.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                Did you know Chase is gay?

                1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                  Is that the October surprise?

              2. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

                How does Comstock fit into this?

        2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          "You in particular are garbage vermin scum. "

          The full on spurge spasm fest when Trump wins from you folks is going to be of epic proportions.

          Seriously, cant wait to see it.

        3. Marshal   8 months ago

          You in particular are garbage vermin scum.

          I remember the good old days when Jeffey and other left wingers pretended to believe dehumanizing people was wrong. It's so refreshing they can be open about their real beliefs in this new world.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            Dehumanizing people is wrong. And I'll stop doing it when you stop doing it.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              Right. I'll believe that when I see it.

            2. Marshal   8 months ago

              Once again we see Jeffey simply invents what he wishes were true and bases his opinions on these fantasies.

              It's not a compelling worldview

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        Please, tell us what was that trigger moment that finally pushed you over the edge from 'decent person' to 'garbage asshole'. What was that moment? Was it when Obama was elected? When he was re-elected? Was it when Trump arrived and gave you permission to be an asshole in public?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          You’re one to talk about being a decent person, dipshit? You’re the one living in a fantasy world where men can get pregnant, people change sex like clownfish, pedophilia is fine, and all other sorts of bullshit. You aren’t decent in the least, Jeffy. In fact, you’re far from it. Go bury yourself back in your 55 gallon drum of cheesy poofs.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            men can get pregnant,

            A biological woman is biologically capable of getting pregnant, even if that woman is living as a transgender man. That’s like basic biology, dude.

            people change sex like clownfish,

            Humans don’t change sex like clownfish. Where did you learn your biology? Oral Roberts University?

            pedophilia is fine

            Pedophilia is not fine. Also not fine: redefining everything that you don’t like to be ‘pedophilia’ so you can dishonestly denounce it all.

            Hope I could clear that up for you.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              There is no such thing as a “transgender”. It cannot biologically exist in any placental mammal species.

              You’re the one claiming people can be the other sex, not me, dude.

              Except that you’re the one who’s on record defending them.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                There is no such thing as a “transgender”.

                Yup, it is as I wrote above:

                Your team demands that we all submit to a narrow biological definition of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ to apply in all cases in all situations even though that has never been the case throughout human history. Your team demands this because you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  Do unicorns exist, Jeffy?

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                  Your team demands this because you want to erase transgender people from existence through control of the language.

                  LOL, really? This isn't Infinity War and there's no magic glove and stones to snap anyone out of existence. Do these people blink out into the ether when we tell them, "No, I'm not going to indulge nor celebrate your delusions or fetishes"?

                  The "control of the language" bit is rather amusing since it reveals YOUR team's desire to not lose that control you gained when you state that "gender is just a social construct" and "not injecting children with hormone blockers is child abuse."

        2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          " Was it when Obama was elected? When he was re-elected?"

          I dont know man, I voted for the guy twice

          "Was it when Trump arrived and gave you permission to be an asshole in public?"

          Thanks to the 1A, ive always had that right

      3. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

        "Actually it's happening and it's a good thing."

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Of course, I knew that once Biden said those words about “garbage” it would have you all fuming.

      LOL, not me. That was just Grampy going off. But I don't mind the GOP exploiting it for political purposes, just like the Dems would if the situation was reversed.

      The rest of your post is just a bunch of shitlib flatulence and can be summarily dismissed.

      Have a terrible weekend.

      Same to your and yours, you fat child molester defending piece of shit.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        The most common reaction I have seen from the right, is memes celebrating the garbage joke

        The most common from the left, is fuming and 'republicans pounce' shitlibbery, usually followed up with the confirmatory "but they are garbage though"

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Jeff cries any time one of his favored groups is criticized including pedophiles.

    3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      HA HA! Poor pedojeff.

    4. Super Scary   8 months ago

      I'm not reading all of that, but I am glad for you or sorry that happened. Whichever applies.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        LOL

    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Thanks, and fuck you too, Jeffy.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        ^ This really can't be stressed enough.

    6. Nobartium   8 months ago

      The Internet is too unsafe for your delicate mind.

      Unplug and trash your PC and phone.

    7. MK Ultra   8 months ago

      You're an especially whiney little bint today. Did the food delivery folks only send the small bucket of ice cream instead of the garbage can size?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        That explains it. His blood hasn’t been diluted by enough sugar yet this morning.

    8. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      tl;dr

      Scanned enough to get "He didn't say that, but he's right, you are all garbage."

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        You're not ALL garbage, but a lot of you are.

        Here is a simple diagnostic test:

        Do you believe that murdering peaceful unarmed migrants in the desert is an acceptable border control strategy? Yes or no?

        If yes: you are garbage.
        If no: you are not garbage.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Nice strawman. No one is murdering anyone in the desert except the Mafia.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            It's a strawman, except for several commenters here who have publicly declared that they want to send the US military to the border and that it is okay if they murder "only a few" migrants in order to "send a message". Isn't that right, Mike Parsons?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              Got a citation and a link for that?

              1. R Mac   8 months ago

                My guess is it’s a reference to one of the incidents where a mob of invaders were assaulting border patrol or tearing down border fences.

                But we’ll just have to wait for all the evidence Lying Jeffy is sure to present shortly to be sure!

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                https://reason.com/2024/10/17/foxy-kamala/?comments=true#comment-10763148

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                Sending the military seems appropriate. You dont have to gun people down by the millions. Just put the military there, they wont need to. Would be money well spent

                chemjeff radical individualist 2 weeks ago
                You dont have to gun people down by the millions.

                Merely by the thousands, then?

                Don't look at me! 2 weeks ago
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                Few hundred should get the message across.

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                Probably not even that many. Word spreads quick. If they hear the American military is at the border and a few people that were forcing their way in got shot, it would stop pretty fast.

                1. R Mac   8 months ago

                  “and a few people that were forcing their way in got shot”

                  This outrages Lying Jeffy. He celebrates Ashley Babbit getting murdered. Wonder what the difference is to him?

        2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          Do you believe that a border control strategy is murdering illegals in the desert? Yes or no?

          Remember, not monitoring the desert for idiots or turning them back at the border isn't "mUrDeR" no matter how hard your dishonest ass tries to spin it.

          Oh, almost forgot. Fuck you monster.
          I really should be saying that more.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            Remember, not monitoring the desert for idiots or turning them back at the border isn’t “mUrDeR”

            You're right! Which is what I said!

            Now, why don't you try to defend your team - which you inevitably always do - when they declare they are fine with the US military murdering migrants in the desert in order to 'send a message'.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

              Surely, you can see why no one takes you seriously, right???

              1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                Thankfully weird sophistry like that lets everyone realize what a clown he is.

              2. R Mac   8 months ago

                Psychopaths don’t think like that.

        3. Pepin the short   8 months ago

          Now this brings me joy. Keep ranting pedo.

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            Jeff is such a lying piece of shit.

            1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

              Reading his crap is like a visit to an insane asylum.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              It is why sarc wants to be his puppy dog.

        4. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

          You’re not ALL garbage, but a lot of you are.

          In which Jeff goes full hitlerian language.

    9. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Hey, is this your manifesto? Are you heading out to shoot a bunch of people at the VFW now?

    10. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Fuming?? Nope, I'm very happy he made this remark.

    11. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

      Poor jeffy.

    12. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

      You are very angry. Don't be so angry. It is not good for you. Remember, there is a 'day after the election'.

    13. Minadin   8 months ago

      "It would be a supreme irony if Chase Oliver really did win"

      He's polling at about 0.7%. I think you would have massive riots nationwide if he won. Some real 'both sides' stuff.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        Behind the scenes and unbeknownst to everyone, the Libertarians FORTIFIED this Election like you wouldn't believe.

    14. R Mac   8 months ago

      What a steaming pile of lying shit you are.

    15. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

      Lol. I can’t even imagine putting that much time and “thought” into such an angry screed. This shit just can’t be that important.

      You got issues, dude.

  23. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

    “”What does it say about gender relations in this country that so many leaders are telling women not to fear retribution from their husbands because their ballots can remain secret” asks Washington Post journalist Catherine Rampell, referring to the wave of ads (watch here and here) that claim Donald Trump voters are being somehow bullying or pressuring their wives and friends to cast a vote for the man.”

    It says that is the only way progressives can rationalize why married women tend to vote different than single women. It is unacceptable that married women tend to not view themselves as in opposition to the men in their lives. It is another form of “false consciousness” that married women are not voting the way progressive ideology says a woman should vote. It is an extension of their horribly sexist, racist and classist worldview that says political interest is determined by demographic group. Any deviation must be because of sinister influence over the person.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      It also says that to progressives, X-wave feminists, and other left wing idiots (that includes all the "serious scholars" of post-modern thought and critical theory) all male-female-other relationships are oppressive, and that "marriage" is a relic of terrible dark ages that needs to be abolished.

    2. Ron   8 months ago

      this also tells you what the left think of men, just like the gillett razor commercial where they accused all men of being terrible. they need to get out of their little bubble and see how real families work

      1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

        That commercial stands as a monument to political brain rot to this day.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Gillette's "all men are rapists" commercial was the first to make me drop a brand.

        1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

          I didn't drop the brand over the commercial. I assumed it was just a horrible misread of the room and didn't realize who was buying their brand.

          I then switched to a boycott of P&G after the CEO came out in defense of losing money because of the importance of the message. https://100percentfedup.com/gillette-ceo-defends-8-billion-loss-over-pandering-toxic-masculinity-adsit-was-worth-paying/

          Gillette CEO and president Gary Coombe is defending the $8 billion write-down Procter & Gamble experienced last quarter related to his brand, saying in a recent interview that it was “worth paying” and that he doesn’t mind alienating some customers.

          After which I switched toothpaste brands, switched deodorant, and switched my body wash because I realized they were all Proctor and Gamble and that company deserved pain.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

            This. It wasn't just the commercial.

            Much like Bud Light wasn't just the TikTok video bit, but the whole "fratty and out-of-touch" stance given later. OTOH, I'd been avoiding Bud Light pretty much my whole life anyway, so this episode didn't change my buying habits.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Joke's on all you guys, I dropped Gillette about two years before the commercial even came out, mainly because the blades were so damn expensive. I switched to old-school double blade safety razors and spend about $20 a year on blades, while a $15-20 tub of TOBS or Proraso will last me for two years.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            I gave up on Gillette for the same reason, but I went the other way. I can pick up a 6-pack of 3-blade Bics for $3 with coupon, on sale, or both. That seems to last at least a month.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

            Me too. I bought one of those 1950's style razors. A box of 50 Feather blades is like $12 and lasts the whole year (2 or 3 shaves per blade, but I work from home and shave only every 2 or 3 days).

            1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

              Oops. $25 not $12 for the 50-pack.

  24. Ajsloss   8 months ago

    It's all a little insane that Biden wants to be seen as some morally decent leader

    If biting children is insane, I don’t wanna be sane.

  25. mad.casual   8 months ago

    Look, I hate the FDA as much as the next gal, but I do not think they're aggressively suppressing sunshine or exercise.

    Seems like there's a "This you, Liz?" with a link to a story, maybe several, about someone being arrested for surfing or being out on a public beach between 2020 and 2022, until they/everybody got vaccinated, but if Liz is too lazy to remember her own principles, I'm struggling as to why anyone should be bothered even to remind her of them.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      No money to be made on fresh air and sunshine.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        one of the better axioms of life.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Never been to an oxygen bar or San Diego?

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          No, I am not a stupid person.

    2. Zeb   8 months ago

      Who did the FDA arrest?

      1. Rick James   8 months ago

        They were the drunk guy in the back seat telling a hapless J Biden to turn left instead of right on America's way to the Hardee's.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Questions like "Who did the FDA arrest?" really kinda relegate one to the "Haitians weren't eating *pets*." and "The one illegal immigrant who only jerked off on her raped and unconscious body was really sorry." side of the libertarian moral spectrum.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Technically it is the OCI, that is the FDAs criminal enforcement group. Below is their most wanted.

        Rajendra Singh KANYAL and others defrauded the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) by illegally selling a wide variety of prescription drugs to U.S.-based customers.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          If someone hands me a case of money up front and says "I'm going to whale on this guy until you say stop." If I let him beat on you for a while and then say, "Normally I would let him beat on someone for several years, but let's just say that I've been operating at Warp Speed for the last 'two weeks' and call it a day." All I did was collect some money up front and stop your beating at a record speed, for me. I certainly didn't ban you from getting any sunshine or exercise. That was the other guy.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

            God help me for asking but I think I need Hank to translate.

            I just answered Zeb's question. It seemed he was unaware perhaps that the FDA does have police powers.

            1. mad.casual   8 months ago

              Translation: “Who did the FDA arrest?” as any sort of counterargument or consideration is worse than the “MUH PRIVUT KORPORASHUN!” argument/consideration.

              Not exactly criticizing your case or point, but nobody got arrested in either case. The idea that we should be dubious of RFK Jr. or Ajit Pai in either position is, intentionally or not, water-carrying that puts several Reason contributors to shame.

      3. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Who did the FDA arrest?

        Fucking Christ I'm growing real tired of the retardation around this place.

        OK, Zeb. Three guys break into your house. One points a gun at you while the other two tie you to a chair. A fourth walks in and says "Break his kneecaps." The guy with a gun pulls out a pool cue and hands it to one of the guys who tied you up, who proceeds to kneecap you. The "Boss" clearly isn't impressed or satisfied with whatever retribution has been visited or message sent. The one guy who, thus far, has done nothing but tie you up says "I know! I'll get my kit and we can jab him full of poison!" to which The Boss' eyebrow peeks and he subsequently lowers his chin. The guy leaves and comes back with the kit and prepares some sort of cocktail that you can't discern because you're distracted by your broken kneecaps and hands the syringe to the guy who broke them. He proceeds to sinking the syringe into your arm and giving you the full barrels-worth of whatever the cocktail was. You black out and wake up in the hospital surrounded by police. They ask you to look at some photographs and you reply "Sure." There, in the pile of photographs, are all four faces. Do you only pick out three because, really, all the other guy did was *help* tie you to a chair? FFS.

        1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

          WOW

        2. Dillinger   8 months ago

          ouch. FDA arrested the health of everyone under its purview. everyone.

        3. Zeb   8 months ago

          What the fuck is your problem? There's nothing wrong with or retarded about being precise in what you are talking about. The FDA did a lot of bad things around covid (and other things). But the covid "guidelines" that prompted states to enact retarded restrictions, as I recall, came from the CDC. And state governments did a lot of bad things like aggressively suppressing sunshine and exercise and economc activity. Both deserve a lot of anger and criticism, but not for identical reasons.

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            There’s nothing wrong with or retarded about being precise in what you are talking about.

            Except when the precision explicitly counteracts progress or meaningful distinction or effect. Then it's literally retarding.

            I know you were around for the days of lamenting "The Precautionary Principle" which is literally the FDA being obstructively precise in their approval of... anything:
            The FDA's 'Safety Pause' Predictably Lowered Americans' Confidence in Safety of J&J COVID-19 Vaccine
            Who could possibly have known that that would happen?

            I know you know what a self-licking ice cream cone is. I know you've heard 'perfect as enemy of the good'. Pettifogging. FUD. I don't know if you know these but they essentially work under the "We need to worry more about how imprecise we're being."

            What's the concern here? That RFK Jr. is going to make good on his promise to repeal the ban on sunshine via the FDA? That Trump and RFK Jr. are accidentally going to bring sunshine under the FDA's purview? That RFK Jr. is going to roll back the regulations on all kinds of food products and drugs but still leave people on orphaned drugs high and dry and that the only "technically correct" thing to do is oppress everyone is equally free?

            We already did the 'relucantly and strategically' support the weak man in chief position of authority for the last four years of authority around here, it got people locked in their homes, locked out of churches and brought us to the verge of a federal vaccine mandate and passport. Even batshit crazy, at any level of precision, in a significantly lesser position of authority couldn't be that bad.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          Did any of them only jack off?

    3. SIV   8 months ago

      I want to know what Liz is basing her statement on that RFK Jr "ostensibly opposes right to try". Is it that it goes too far or doesn't go far enough?

      1. Roberta   8 months ago

        I want to know too. Or she's just spuriously fuzzing his positions to make Trump seem less libertarian for wanting RFK in that office.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      There were those folks (not FDA) arresting surfers in Cali during COVID.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        We shouldn't put RFK, Jr. in charge of the FDA because it was the Calabassass County Sheriff's office and the Basque Community Police and the Banff Conservation officers, etc., etc., etc. arresting people until the FDA allowed Biden to begin considering mandating the cure for COVID.

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    ‘It’s a reflection of the fact that 1-in-3 Democratic voters is an unmarried women, and Democrats believe that this story can motivate them to vote.’

    Can it also motivate them to “marry” the Democratic Party, or some (D) figurehead, like nuns who marry Jesus? No actual icky real men have to be in their lives.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Watching the Dems actually become the “Woo!! Girl” party post-Dobbs is going to be one of the more significant aspects of the political realignment.

  27. SIV   8 months ago

    "(Trump favors right-to-try legislation, for example, but Kennedy would ostensibly oppose it)"

    ???

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      I think it's the typical media, "round off any nuance" policy.

      My understanding is that Trump favors "right to try" while RFK Jr. is leery about people becoming guinea pigs for big pharma.

      Which is unfathomable vigintillions of light years ahead of Vaccine Mandates from successive "The Thing/I Wouldn't Change A Thing" administrations and damn near pitch perfect by moral or intellectual or libertarian standards; but, you know, might preclude some insane conception of libertopia that Liz isn't able to verbalize.

  28. Rick James   8 months ago

    Oppression at the ballot box: "What does it say about gender relations in this country that so many leaders are telling women not to fear retribution from their husbands because their ballots can remain secret" asks Washington Post journalist Catherine Rampell, referring to the wave of ads (watch here and here) that claim Donald Trump voters are being somehow bullying or pressuring their wives and friends to cast a vote for the man.

    It's how upper middle class childless cat ladies see garbage supporters' marriages.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

      Are you sure you have that apostrophe in the right place? Hmmm?

      Nuance is important.

  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    "Have you seen all these studies that basically connect testosterone levels in young men with conservative politics?" Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) asked Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience. "Maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because it means we're going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal."

    Don't forget toxoplasmosis (aka cat scratch fever). The parasite is carried by cats, and invades the brain of infected victims. It makes mice actually like the smell of cat urine. And it makes human males more docile.

    And you thought all those cats were just for show.

    1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

      Will ivermectin cure that?

  30. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    US pollster Edison says Georgia election results suggest 'manipulation of the vote'

    U.S. data and polling firm Edison Research said on Friday that the differences between an exit poll it conducted of Georgia's election on Saturday and the official results of the vote "cannot be explained by normal variation alone and suggests local-level manipulation of the vote."

    Oh, wait, this is in Tbilisi, not Atlanta.

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Wait for it...

      1. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

        Can't happen here....

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          They’ve never been to Chicago, have they?

      2. Dillinger   8 months ago

        lol Boehm just posted a piece denying tha'frauds

  31. Rick James   8 months ago

    Of course, some people, like Fox News' Jesse Waters, likened his wife voting for Harris to her having an affair, seemingly as a joke, but emphasized that it would be the duplicitousness—claiming to be a Trump supporter while secretly being a Harris fan—that would bother him.

    I think there's a certain magazine whose writers might claim to be Oliver fans but are secretly...

    1. Dillinger   8 months ago

      ironing delicious.

  32. Rick James   8 months ago

    Hilariously, “the president’s remarks clashed with Vice President Kamala Harris’ near-simultaneous speech outside the White House in which she called for treating Americans of differing ideologies with respect,” reports the Associated Press.

    J Biden, with whatever remains of his flagging cognitive abilities, hates Harris with every fibre of their being. And can you blame him? Despite Hollywood making thinly veiled movies about Republicans executing administrative coups against duly elected presidents, it was a Democratic administration where this happened right before our eyes… and with the urging and help of the stenographers in the media.

    1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

      And don't forget, the most memorable thing Harris did in the 2020 race was accuse Biden of racism for not being into forced busing as a solution to integrating the schools.

  33. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    You really can't hate the media enough...

    Journalism vs the people: A woke transnational media class now dominates the West’s newsrooms.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/10/13/journalism-vs-the-people/

    Perhaps one of the most glaring examples of the lack of understanding that the transnational media elites have of their own fellow countrymen happened in Ireland in 2023.

    In 2022, schoolteacher Ashling Murphy was stabbed to death in broad daylight while she was out running in County Offaly. In the immediate aftermath, Murphy’s murder garnered a huge amount of sympathetic media attention, including much soul searching about violence against women.

    That sympathy started to subside when it emerged her murderer was a Slovakian immigrant called Jozef Puska. He had come to Ireland in 2013, and lived on benefits in a five-bedroom council house with his wife and five children. After Puska’s trial in November 2023, Murphy’s fiancé, Ryan Casey, gave a victim-impact statement. He told the court that it ‘sickens me to the core that someone can come to this country, be fully supported in terms of social housing, social welfare and free medical care for over 10 years’ and ‘never hold down a legitimate job and never once contribute to society in any way shape or form [and] can commit such a horrendous, evil act of incomprehensible violence on such a beautiful, loving and talented person who, in fact, worked for the state, educating the next generation and represented everything that is good about Irish society’. He concluded: ‘We have to, once and for all, start putting the safety of not only Irish people but everybody in this country who works hard, pays taxes, raises families and overall contributes to society, first.’

    The media widely reported the part of Casey’s statement where he spoke about his love for his fiancée. But his comments about Puska were excised by almost all media outlets.

    A few weeks after the trial, Irish Times journalist Kitty Holland was asked on a BBC television show, The View, about those parts of Casey’s statement that had been largely unreported. She said that his comments were ‘not good’, and claimed they ‘were incitement to hatred, and that’s why the media left out aspects of them’. Holland acknowledged that Casey had ‘lost the partner of his life’, but went on to say that the nationality of the man who murdered Murphy is irrelevant – as if Holland had been appointed the final arbiter of what was relevant to this heartbroken young man. ‘He’s entitled to his views, but the media have a responsibility to not report views that are incitement to hatred, and he’s being held up as a hero of the far right’, she said.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      How about cocktail parties?

      More:

      Ian O’Doherty, writer for the Irish Independent, concurs. ‘It’s class contempt’, he tells me. ‘It’s very rare that you’ll see any overt editorial interference’, but the pressure to conform is huge. Irish journalists, he says, ‘are all middle class… They all know each other, they all go to the same dinner parties, they all have the same opinions.’

      1. Rick James   8 months ago

        ‘It’s very rare that you’ll see any overt editorial interference’, but the pressure to conform is huge. Irish journalists, he says, ‘are all middle class… They all know each other, they all go to the same dinner parties, they all have the same opinions.’

        I guess 'dinner' is Irish for "cocktail".

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          everything is Irish for cocktail. erin go bragh.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Deeper into that same article:

      Similarly, Paddy O’Gorman, a retired RTÉ reporter and now a successful independent podcaster, points out that when it comes to what gets covered in Irish media, the ideological slant only goes one way.

      Take the very different treatment of two similar cases. In 2022, Irish woman Natasha O’Brien was beaten unconscious in Limerick. Cathal Crotty, an off-duty Irish soldier, was convicted of assaulting her but walked away with a suspended sentence. The judge said that Crotty’s lack of previous convictions and army service were two key factors in the sentencing decision. There was media outrage, and O’Brien became an outspoken presence at rallies protesting violence against women, and received a minute-long standing ovation in the Irish parliament.

      O’Gorman highlighted the differences in coverage between the O’Brien case and that of another female victim of assault, also in 2022, whose attacker was also spared prison. The victim in this case was a resident of a woman’s shelter, and her attacker was a transwoman living in the same shelter.

      Writing for Genspect, O’Gorman pointed out that ‘journalists will absolutely overlook the most newsworthy element of the story’ – namely, the fact that a man with 15 previous criminal convictions was being allowed to live in a shelter for homeless women, before he attacked one of them and was then spared prison. Instead, the Irish media uniformly described the attacker as a female hairdresser who simply attacked ‘another’ woman. As O’Gorman put it at the time, ‘the media, and the politicians who are so vocal now on the O’Brien case, cease to be concerned about keeping women safe from violent men if such men have a gender-recognition certificate and a wig’.

  34. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>The Wife Vote

    great googily moogily the Left hates women. hates. women. is it a mother complex thing?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      They hate women that aren't "doing the work" to bring the communist utopia to fruition. A woman with a husband and family is devoting her energy to supporting that family instead of "doing the work," so naturally families are evil because they get in the way of the communist utopia.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        There’s probably some problem with spending the husband’s money to please herself and him rather than sleeping in a pod and eating crickets too.

  35. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

    ""The real problem is the degree to which White House officials are willing to corruptly cover for their guy.""

    They have been doing it all year with respect to his mental health. Don't tell me you are just now noticing.

    1. Minadin   8 months ago

      Only all year? 2024?

      https://reason.com/2020/11/07/joe-biden-appears-to-have-won-the-presidency/?comments=true#comment-8568979

      "Those who said Biden was mentally healthy will soon be calling for the 25th amendment to be invoked, and those who were claiming he is in the throes of dementia will be claiming he is mentally competent and there is no reason for Harris to succeed him." - Reason commenter 'creech', November 7, 2020

  36. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Trump x RFK Jr.

    it's a Liberty thing. isn't this place supposed to be about Liberty? jeebus you fuckers missed the boat this time ... hard

  37. Roberta   8 months ago

    ...

    RFK Jr. seems pretty jazzed, saying: "FDA's war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by Pharma...."

    ...(Trump favors right-to-try legislation, for example, but Kennedy would ostensibly oppose it)

    Ms. Wolfe must have a completely different idea of ostensibility from mine!

    1. Roberta   8 months ago

      And if we didn't have enough reasons already, making Baby Bobby sec'y of HHS would be enough to vote for Trump. Yet the Big Bad Wolfe does what she has in her power to make RFK's stances on those issues look less unambiguously good.

      No, the fix is in: HyR bloggers aren't allowed to make Trump look even relatively good or not-bad, regardless of how much better he is objectively for libertarians. How much concern trolling does the management here think we'll go for?

  38. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Took the kiddos (my son and his BFF) trick-or-treating

    handing out candy once a year to fulfill my perpetual part of the social contract is always a hoot. love it.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Living in BFE, with a driveway 300 yards long means never having to give out candy to freeloading rugrats.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        I took so much from so many as a child. I owe.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Relevant debts accrued as a child: From where I sit the trade off is handing out candy for only having to replace your mailbox once every 2-3 decades.

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            I owe a couple of those too. no bowling balls through the back windshields though ...

  39. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>"You are a woman who lives in a household of men who don't listen to you or value your opinion ... said Michelle Obama last week.

    He would know.

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Seems like a bit of a chicken vs. egg situation with the ego that thinks "My primary role in this space, of which I am a minority, is to have my (political) opinion heard and valued."

      Like a victim complex or self-fulfilling prophecy sort of thing.

    2. shadydave   8 months ago

      zing

  40. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Article written by an idiot and/or dysfunctional AI

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/facts-about-ar-15-style-rifle-which-you-might-not-know/ar-BB1qr3gn?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=4981c0b70f954f8790c6689ec0f9e3e6&ei=41

    The gun or firearms culture in America is very vast because it has been stated by many that there are more guns in the country than people. One of the most popular or ubiquitous guns, which is used in the American region, is an AR-15-style rifle. It is a controversial gun in America, which is a type of semi-automatic rifle and is a weapon of war. The National Rifle Association of America promotes the AR-15 rifle as an American firearm and suggests that it has American values.

    The AR-15-style rifle is one of the most popular and deadliest guns in America. Around 25 million civilian people in the American region possess this controversial weapon. It is a semi-automatic firearm, which means that a person possessing this gun can fire several shots at the target in a very short amount of time. The bullets fired by AR-15-style rifles travel very fast, such as three times faster than the bullets fired from a handgun.

    Also, it can hit the target perfectly from a very far place and cause severe damage.

    The AR-15-style rifle fires bullets at a very high speed because it has a high velocity and causes severe damage to the target even though it is fired from a very far place.

    The origin of this dangerous weapon happened in the 1950s when Eugene Stoner, a former marine, invented a lightweight and easy-to-carry rifle for the United States military, which was at the time-fighting guerrilla fighters with AK-47s. Further, the gun was patented by the company Colt in the 1960s. Also, buying an AR-15-style rifle in America is very easy, and the gun is quite inexpensive. [but somehow "many large gunmakers started making assault rifles because the profit margin on these guns was very high, and they could make a lot of money."]

    A person living in a certain state can buy a rifle by going into a gun shop, showing valid ID proof, and passing a federal background check. The background check is done to ensure that the person buying the gun does not have any criminal record. However, this background check might be avoided when the guns are sold at private shops. Further, the reason behind the popularity of AR-15-style rifles is that the owners of this particular firearm can customize them according to their preferences, such as large scopes and other accessories.

    According to some reports, one in every 20 Americans owns an AR-15-style rifle, which is a symbol of power, heritage, and masculinity.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      That is straight up ai

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Yep.

      2. Longtobefree   8 months ago

        Or a free translation from the CCP - - - - - - -

        1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          Yeah, it sounds more like old machine translation than what ChatGPT would do.

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            +1 It felt like something between what a 20 yr. old AI and a non-native speaker would do.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Attribution is "Opinion by Megha Chauhan" but the AI aspect was blatant.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/22-facts-to-proof-why-guns-kills-not-people/ss-AA1qplQW

          Another "article" by the same "person" on more-or-less the same subject...

          Gun violence is very prevalent in the United States and it is a term that is used to refer to deaths and fatalities caused by firearms. However, it also encompasses more than just deaths—it also includes non-fatal injuries, threats, and suicides by firearms. In 2020, the Poynter Institute revealed that America has become a country that has more guns than the actual number of people. Guns are something that makes violence more deadly because having them around can easily make things get worse. So, in this article, we will talk about 22 reasons why guns are the real cause of death, not just people.

          The very first reason why guns kill people and not just people killing other people is the absence of stringent laws or rules related to guns in the United States. [Edit: I'm shocked to learn that the are not gun laws in the USA!!!] Due to this, people around the country can purchase firearms very easily and keep them for their safety. However, not every time it is used for their safety. Most of the time, the guns are used to commit a crime which is referred to as Gun Violence. The absence of stricter gun laws is a very debatable topic in the USA and the key issue surrounding it is the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, which protects the right of Americans to keep and bear firearms.

          For so many years in the past, there have been loopholes in the background check system of the United States while buying a firearm and this has led to more gun killings. Since Congress of the United States passed the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993), which required federal background checks on anybody wishing to purchase a handgun in the country, so that it can be checked if he is a minor or not, has a criminal background and is mentally stable or not. However, many times these background check systems have been evaded by individuals who cannot pass them and move to unlicensed dealers to buy a firearm, which in turn leads to more gun violence. These unlicensed dealers sell the guns for their own profit without running a proper check. Recently, research has found that one in every nine people, who react to online advertisements from unlicensed dealers fail the required background check.

          Another reason why guns kill people is that these firearms are lethal weapons, often resulting in the death of the person on whom it is fired. Per se, guns are considered mortal because they likely cause the death of the person regardless of the user's intention and the manner in which it is used. Other reasons behind guns being deadly weapons are the momentum and speed of the bullets they fire. Bullets, which are fired from a gun travel at high speeds, and it is said that they cross 6 basketball fields in a second. Also, a bullet's velocity is very high because it travels at a faster pace and inflicts greater harm. Due to all these, guns are said to be destructive in nature.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          https://gamedevolution.com/author/megha/

          Megha Chauhan

          Megha Chauhan is an accomplished content writer who holds a degree in Law. Her extensive expertise in research and writing has helped her excel in this field. Her expertise spans from engaging blog posts and in-depth articles. Passionate about storytelling, Megha continually hones her skills to stay ahead of trends, ensuring her content remains fresh and impactful.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          But then we have this:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/43-best-guns-that-aren-t-made-for-women/ss-AA1qRqq2#image=1

          43 Best Guns That Aren't Made for Women
          ©Megha Chauhan / Game Devolution
          Guns are amongst the most used weapons throughout the world. They can be used for many purposes such as hunting, self-defense, target shooting, etc. However, to do all these things, having the right gun in your firearms collection is more important rather than just owning them because the result of these activities depends upon the gun's reliability, accuracy, and performance. So, in this article, we will tell you the 43 best guns that every man must have in their gun collection.

          Taurus Raging Hunter
          ©Megha Chauhan / Game Devolution
          The first gun that has secured the top spot in the list of must-have guns is the Taurus Raging Hunter. As the name of the gun suggests, it is a revolver which is specifically designed for hunting. It is a single and double action revolver which is a available in variety of calibers including.357 Magnum, .38 Special +P, .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum and .44 Magnum. The revolver has a soft rubber grip that helps mitigate the rearward force of the recoil. It has 8 barrel ports and a heavy underlug which directs the gas upwards and makes the recoil straight to the recoil. Also, this revolver has a lower price than other 460 S&W Magnum revolvers in the market. Due to these reasons, every man must have this firearm.

    2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

      And people really think AI is going to take over the world?

    3. NoVaNick   8 months ago

      Didn’t even bother to lightly edit it

    4. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Also, it can hit the target perfectly from a very far place and cause severe damage.

      LOL

      1. Eeyore   8 months ago

        Technically any bullet fired from any gun could cause severe damage.

        Technically it can miss the target from a very close place. Blind snipers most likely to miss.

  41. Super Scary   8 months ago

    ““What does it say about gender relations in this country that so many leaders are telling women not to fear retribution from their husbands because their ballots can remain secret””

    It certainly says a lot more about the people sending the message than the people they are talking about. It’s not the 1950 anymore, wives aren’t going to get PANG POW STRAIGHT TO DA MOON’d if they don’t vote the way their hubbies tell them.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Funny story, it was comical in the 50s because it was never the norm. It's only the norm in the abusive minds of progressives

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Yeah. It was a mannerism for venting frustration not a euphemism for when he would beat his wife. Also, Homer Simpson strangling Bart isn't a connotation on the prevalence or tolerance of abusive fathers.

        It's like a "Why doesn't is say 'POW!' when I punch someone like on the 60s Batman TV show?" or "Why, when I shoot someone in the face, aren't they just left with a soot-covered face?" level of intellectual dysfunction.

      2. mamabug   8 months ago

        Also comical because it was 100% clear that he would never act on it because she was the one running things.

  42. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    Official White House stenographers and the White House press team are sparring over whether President Joe Biden called Trump
    supporters "garbage."

    Note the fighting is within the fascist clubhouse.
    Everyone else can listen and hear what was said, and figure out what was meant.

    (My personal conspiracy theory is that crazy old Joe did it on purpose, as revenge for the palace coup)

  43. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>I spoke on two panels—about tradwives and about spanking

    I'd do a "go on ..." but we don't have that kind of relationship 🙂

    1. NoVaNick   8 months ago

      With trad couples, the wife may get spanked. With prog marriages, the hubby gets pegged.

  44. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

    Here is Comstock's "ginned-up oppression" the Lizard misses so badly: "...fined not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned at hard labor not less than one year nor more than ten years, or both, in the discretion of the judge." Five grand was 221 ounces in God's Own Prohibitionist year 1873--and this for mentioning birth control in a letter! The Supremacist Court was considering Cruickshank and interpreting "except women" into the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. What twists the mind of a girl-bullying Quisling, Mutterkreuz Mom, Ceauescu or Christian National Socialist to get them to demand that women submit to at-gunpoint reproduction? https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/republicans-banned-all-birth-control/

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Yawn.

    2. Super Scary   8 months ago

      I think it's trying to communicate with us.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        Nice.

    3. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

      Comstock!

  45. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

    Brooklynites, never ones to chill about politics, added VOTE OR DIE to the neighborhood Halloween decor

    Since they're ripping off Diddy's mid-2000s Democrat GOTV effort, when do the "white" parties start?

    1. NoVaNick   8 months ago

      Vote or die?
      Never said who to vote for-or did they not have the balls to say it…

  46. Marshal   8 months ago

    The real problem is the degree to which White House officials are willing to corruptly cover for their guy.

    Thanks Liz, it's been a pleasure finally getting another adult to handle the roundup.

  47. Unable2Reason   8 months ago

    "... I do not think they're aggressively suppressing sunshine or exercise"

    I think the point here is that they don't concentrate on non-pharma solutions to maintaining your health in the first place. And THAT they are absolutely doing.

  48. ducksalad   8 months ago

    Seriously and no snark, score one for Trump today.

    Seeing a leading politician rip into an opponent for being a “war hawk”, correctly and with raucous supporters joining in, is nice to see. And the Democrat spin about this being an example of violent rhetoric is flat wrong. He was making the perfectly legitimate point that it looks different if you have to do the actual fighting yourself, not suggesting anyone should shoot at her.

    Nowhere near enough to overcome his other defects, of course, and anyway I already voted for Chase Oliver. But he’s right on this one.

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      I'm surprised Trump hasn't been more on that theme. The establishment Democrats (along with the more traditional establishment Republicans) are now fully the party of forever war and the MIC.

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      you dont hate the media enough.

      Trump rips into a warhawk and says 'let's see her go out there face the barrels' and the media says "OMG Trump is threatening her with violence"

      They are garbage.

      1. Minadin   8 months ago

        They all went all-in on the 'said she should face a firing squad' lie, in harmony:

        https://twitter.com/CWBOCA/status/1852363112789242226

        (Hint: You typically do not give a gun to someone facing a firing squad.)

  49. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

    "Have you seen all these studies that basically connect testosterone levels in young men with conservative politics?" Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) asked Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience. "Maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because it means we're going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal."

    JD Vance is a national treasure. And what he's saying seems to be true. Low T, fat and lazy gamer reddit bois are all hyper liberal.

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      I watched the Rogan thing last night. Vance really is good at this and is very likeable.

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      "JD Vance is a national treasure. And what he’s saying seems to be true."

      This seems like the cat lady thing all over again.

      He said a thing that probably pisses some people off. He also seems to be 1000% correct

      1. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

        He's so much better than I thought he would be when Trump first picked him.

        If trump wins this, Vance will get 8 more years I think.

  50. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

    The real problem is the degree to which White House officials are willing to corruptly cover for their guy.

    @LizWolfe....The real problem to me is that we have some very powerful people in DC who have complete contempt for the value of human life.

  51. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

    Inside the issues with processing migrants' asylum claims, courtesy of Bloomberg.

    Without even reading the article I can tell you the answer.

  52. Jerry B.   8 months ago

    Why in the world is Joe Biden still president? The Democrats wanted to 25th amendment Trump, but no one is willing to oust a person who is so bad mentally he’s incapable of running for a second term.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Well, per jeff, no one could have even known this until last summer (anyone who did was a CT), so give them a break. I suppose it takes awhile to get your ducks in a row to remove him from office.

      1. Eeyore   8 months ago

        He hasn't been "functionally" our president for half his term. I guess 2 years is just not enough time.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          He seems to have mostly been sidelined after Ukraine managed to halt the Russian advance and force a stalemate in the early months of the war. They probably didn't want Grampy saying something that would provoke Putin into more direct actions beyond grayzone fuckery.

    2. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      What do you mean still?

  53. Bill Dalasio   8 months ago

    If you pay attention to the pitches, it goes beyond "not fearing retribution", which is an utterly ridiculous suggestion, in the first place. Plenty of couples have differing politics and are able to get over it just fine. The whole pitch is that women should lie to their husbands, which is pretty repulsive. If a political party is urging dishonesty with your spouse, I think it's fair to say they aren't the good guys.

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      So kind of like the adults that say to kids, "This will be our little secret. Don't tell your parents."?

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      I cant imagine caring so much you get angry with your spouse for choosing a different candidate than you do. WTF is wrong with people.

      1. Bill Dalasio   8 months ago

        My first wife was a liberal. When we were dating, we'd debate like crazy. She later told me it was one of the things that attracted her to me. I was interested enough in what she had to say that I'd argue, rather than just agree to get in bed with her. Needless to say, I respected her right to vote how she thought best and vice versa. I'm pretty sure she never lied to me about her vote.

        My current wife and I voted for Johnson in 2016. In 2020, I voted for Trump. She told me she couldn't vote for either candidate. I suggested Jorgenson. We're both voting Trump this time. Again, I'm pretty sure she's not lying to me about her vote and how she votes is her call.

        This crap to encourage women to lie to their husbands is just creepy. I know of few if any guys who'd get angry about their wife's vote. Making marriages a farce to push politics is pretty grotesque.

  54. Eeyore   8 months ago

    One of my friends came home from work to find that his wife had already filled in his ballot. With a postit note instructing him to sign it.

    Mail in ballots were designed to give women 2 votes and men none. Mail in ballots are violence against men.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444914904577623521882459012

      As Isaac Pollak, an ardent Republican, kissed his wife goodbye before heading out on a business trip to Asia several years ago, he handed her his absentee ballot for the coming presidential election and asked her to mail it.

      Bonnie Pollak, a Democrat, weighed her options. Should she be loyal to her spouse, respect his legal right and mail the ballot? Or remain faithful to her deeply held beliefs and suppress his vote?

      "It was a real dilemma," says Ms. Pollak, 58 years old, a student in a doctoral program in social welfare who lives in Manhattan. "I decided to do the right thing."

      Ms. Pollak threw the ballot away.

      1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

        *adds Ms Pollak to 'the list'*

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      By far the more common situation is wives forcing husbands to vote dem, or husbands secretly voting Trump behind the wife's back. I am personally familiar many such cases but then again i live in the heart of shitlib central.

  55. EscherEnigma   8 months ago

    "The real problem is the degree to which White House officials are willing to corruptly cover for their guy."

    And just how many fractions of a degree is a single apostrophe?

    Even if you ignore Trump's and Biden's records --that Trump actually did withhold and slow-walk federal support to states based on politics, and Biden has not-- the simple fact is that Trump has said far worse things far more frequently and Biden isn't on the ballot you numbnuts.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      Keep that misdirection and those lies flowing, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.

    2. Dillinger   8 months ago

      Bill-o-Rights bro. all that matters.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Hey, it's not our side that forced the White House stenographers to change the transcript, even though it can be heard loud and clear.

      This episode "seems to be very triggering for y'all." Lol.

  56. EscherEnigma   8 months ago

    "Have you seen all these studies that basically connect testosterone levels in young men with conservative politics?" Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) asked Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience. "Maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because it means we're going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal."

    So did Vance and Rogan forget that obesity is a bigger problem in rural red then urban blue areas†? (quick CDC study, ther have been others you can find)
    ________
    †If I recall correctly, the leading theory was that in a city with buses, subways, and walkable neighborhoods, you're more likely to walk from place to place. In more rural areas, you end up driving basically everywhere.

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      You’re one of those people I refer to above who would shoot someone in the face and then wonder why they aren’t just like before only with a face covered in soot aren’t you?

      Or did you forget that people today have generally learned the “How to lie with statistics.” trick about something being a proportionately larger problem in one place but an absolutely larger problem in another and that, even if they didn’t, you’d have to have the intellect and general social and biological awareness of a 12 yr. old to believe in the sort of sociological and biological determinism they were joking about?

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      This reminds me of my favorite vacuous "gotcha" argument from democrats when they try to show that "red" states get more federal funding than "blue" states per capita*, thus implying that blue state taxpayers are subsidizing red state taxpayers.

      Uh... yeah, great. Let's cut the taxes then?

      *my default assumption is that this is a manipulated statistical lie.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        One aspect skewing it is that it often includes spending at military bases in states as "federal funding".

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      So did Vance and Rogan forget that obesity is a bigger problem in rural red then urban blue areas†? (quick CDC study, ther have been others you can find)

      Did you forget that pretty much our entire federal deficit is being caused by payouts for Medicaid?

    4. EscherEnigma   8 months ago

      ... pointing out that obesity is a bigger problem in rural American then in urban America is apparently triggering for y'all.

      How very weird.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        The only time 'America' is mentioned in the text of your own citation is once, in the term 'American Indian'.

        Dishonesty, blatant or surreptitious, is a real problem for most rational and morally-upright people... or even people who just value individual agency.

        The fact that it puzzles you says volumes. Much of it not unexpected.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        Does that mean that we should ignore the fact that obesity is a problem that's directly tied to our cost of healthcare? I realize you're trying to run a typical left-wing dialectic here, but that doesn't mean the nation's skyrocketing obesity rates the last 40 years should be swept under the rug. It's not just white people who live in those red states, you know.

        I also realize your side thinks using "y'all" online makes you sound more "authentic," for some reason, but it really just makes you sound like some Howdy Doody poser.

        And apropos of nothing, it's not the right which is whining that going to the gym and getting healthy is "white supremacy." That's your side. How very weird.

      3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        Stuff your TDS up your ass to keep your head company and then FOAD, asshole. Make your dog happy.

  57. mad.casual   8 months ago
  58. TJJ2000   8 months ago

    Wonder if there will be a 6-year Mueller Special Counsel investigation into this. It's actually less psychotic of an election-fraud claim that a few Russians ran Facebook ads.

    "Trump! Did or did you not pressure your wife into voting for you!"
    Freak-en morons in D.C.

  59. MWAocdoc   8 months ago

    “Just remember: Your vote is a private matter. Regardless of the political views of your partner, you get to choose!”

    It USED to be true back in the day when most people actually voted in voting booths at voting centers. How many ballots are now cast from home? How private is your ballot if you mark it off on a piece of paper with your husband looking over your shoulder or – worse – marking it for you and watching you sign the envelope after it’s sealed? It doesn’t take much imagination to think of a patron casting the ballots of ten migrant farm workers living in his bunkhouse to be mailed in. I don’t know how often that happens these days – and neither do you.

  60. jagjr   8 months ago

    "vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr."

    you spelled "vaccine conspiracy peddler" wrong. being a skeptic is healthy. his tendency to latch onto unhinged, unsupported, evidence-free conspiracy narratives is not.

  61. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

    Could it have to do with Republicans telling women that voting for Harris when their husband votes for Trump is the same thing as having an affair?

    1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

      Cite?

  62. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   8 months ago

    Democratic strategists seem to think this is how normies' marriages work

    It's how marriage works between AWFULs and the "husbands" they peg nightly. That's definitely how men behave toward their wives, for sure.

  63. lwt1960   8 months ago

    The serious point of RFK having a say in policy is it will be heavy on lifestyle and light on a new drug for every perceived malady. I see that as a good thing for both the public's health and its fisc. Who knows, maybe people will even think about taking responsibility for their personal choices?

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