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Marijuana

Weed Shops Deserve Due Process, Says Judge

Plus: Andrew Cuomo's potential prosecution, Texas death blamed on abortion ban, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 10.31.2024 9:30 AM

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Let the weed bodegas be! A recent crackdown by New York City authorities on stores selling marijuana without a license led to the shutdown of more 1,100 businesses. Now, a state judge is telling authorities not so fast.

Operation Padlock to Protect—the New York City policy used to justify the shutdowns—is unconstitutional, per New York Supreme Court Justice Kevin Kerrigan. (In New York, the state's highest court is called the Court of Appeals; Supreme Courts are trial courts that hear criminal and civil cases.)

The policy, adopted last spring, allowed the city sheriff to inspect any business selling cannabis or cannabis products without a proper registration, license, or permit to do so, and to "execute and order the sealing of certain places of business where such conduct continues after an inspection has revealed violations, or where such conduct poses an imminent threat to public health, safety, and welfare."

Owners of shuttered businesses can request a hearing with the city's Office of Administrative Trials and Hearings (OATH), which will make a recommendation about whether the business should be allowed to reopen. "But the ultimate decision is up to the sheriff — and lawyers representing businesses that have been shut down say it's not uncommon for the sheriff to ignore OATH's recommendations," notes the Gothamist.

This is the situation that a store called Cloud Corner found itself in. The Queens-based store was accused of illegally selling marijuana and shut down in September. After a hearing, an OATH officer recommended that the store should be allowed to reopen. But city sheriff Anthony Miranda declined to follow this recommendation and ordered the store closed for one year.

Cloud Corner sued, alleging that due process had been violated.

Justice Kerrigan agreed that there were "clear" due process issues at play here. "If the final arbiter has the authority to confer no weight to the hearing, there is no real meaningful opportunity to be heard, which…raises a due process concern," he wrote in his decision.

The city says it will appeal, and has basically gone full-blown Reefer Madness in its defense of forcibly shutting down businesses over license violations. "Illegal smoke shops and their dangerous products endanger young New Yorkers and our quality of life, and we continue to padlock illicit storefronts and protect communities from the health and safety dangers posed by illegal operators," said Liz Garcia, a spokesperson for Mayor Eric Adams, on Tuesday.

Congressional Republicans are recommending criminal charges for former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D). The GOP-led House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic is expected this morning to send a letter to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland recommending criminal charges against Cuomo for allegedly lying to Congress about COVID-19 deaths.

"At issue is Cuomo's truthfulness regarding his role in the writing and review of a state health department report from June 2020 that underestimated the nursing home death count by nearly half," reports CNN.

During the early period of the pandemic, Cuomo's office ordered New York nursing homes to readmit patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and said that people who died from COVID-19 in hospitals after being transferred from nursing homes could not be counted among nursing home coronavirus deaths.

New York Attorney General Letitia James would later conclude that nursing home COVID-19 deaths had been severely undercounted and underreported.

In June 2020, an internal report from New York health officials said 9,000 people had died of COVID-19 in the state's nursing homes—but this fact was omitted from the final report that became public. "The extraordinary intervention, which came just as Mr. Cuomo was starting to write a book on his pandemic achievements, was the earliest act yet known in what critics have called a monthslong effort by the governor and his aides to obscure the full scope of nursing home deaths," The New York Times reported in March 2021. Cuomo's office said the omission was because they "could not confirm it had been adequately verified."

The Cuomo administration's policies "effectively admitted thousands of COVID-19 positive patients into nursing homes, causing predictable but deadly consequences for New York's most vulnerable," alleged U.S. Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R–Ohio) earlier this year. Wenstrup heads the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic, which is now recommending criminal charges against Cuomo. In a letter obtained by CNN, the subcommittee accuses Cuomo of making "criminally false statements" related to "his involvement in and knowledge of the drafting" of a reporting on coronavirus deaths.

On Wednesday, "Cuomo's legal team filed a referral letter to the Justice Department requesting they investigate an alleged abuse of power by the select committee, with a particular focus on Wenstrup, whom they claim to be in cahoots with a Fox News personality and her husband, who is part of a separate Covid-related lawsuit against the former governor," reports CNN.

Miscarriage leads to death in Texas. A Texas woman who died of an infection following a miscarriage could have been saved if doctors weren't so worried about running afoul of the state's abortion ban, suggests ProPublica. Josseli Barnica, a married mother of one, was 17 weeks pregnant with her second child when she spontaneously went into labor, the news outlet reports. Doctors at HCA Houston Healthcare Northwest determined that a miscarriage was in progress. Typically, the treatment at that point would be to give the pregnant woman drugs to speed up the delivery or to perform a dilation and evacuation procedure, a number of medical experts told ProPublica. But hospital staff told Barnica that they couldn't do that while a fetal heartbeat was still being detected.

While Texas' abortion ban does contain an exception for situations where a pregnant woman's life is a risk, a miscarriage is not necessarily a life-threatening procedure—even though it can become one. This leaves doctors in an impossible situation, in which doing what's best for the patient could land them in huge legal jeopardy, and playing it legally safe could put the patient in more risk. In this case, "Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica."

Barnica was at the hospital for about 40 hours before doctors declared that there was no longer any fetal cardiac activity and gave her drugs to help speed up the miscarriage. She was sent home about eight hours after that, ProPublica reports. Three days later, Barnica died. An autopsy report lists the cause of death as "sepsis due to acute bacterial endometritis and cervicitis following spontaneous abortion…with retained products of conception."

No one can say for sure whether Barnica would have survived had doctors at the hospital done things differently. But stories like hers—and others like it—at least call into further question whether strict abortion bans like the one in Texas are putting pregnant women in jeopardy.


QUICK HITS

• The Washington Post talks to pro-choice women who aren't buying Democrats' claims about what a second Trump presidency would mean for legal abortion.

• A new analysis from the Brennan Center for Justice "makes it clear 'progressive' prosecution policies neither hamstring police nor embolden criminals," reports Techdirt's Tim Cushing.

• Japan's same-sex marriage ban violates the country's equal rights guarantee, the Tokyo High Court ruled yesterday.

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  1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    Meanwhile, SleepyJoe literally bites a baby. You can’t make it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGtWFibqLTY

    1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      How do you think he stays so young, slick?

      1. HorseConch   8 months ago

        It was at least 4 babies. Quit peddling misinformation.

    2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Refreshing change from what he does to little girls.

      https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco?t=8

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Joe is just so hetero-cis! He could at least sniff little boys and promote DEI.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Who hasn't gone bobbing for babies on Halloween?

    4. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

      Joe Biden: America's first pedophile POTUS.
      He makes every leftist proud.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Now, now!

        Don't be throwing the "p" word around like that.

        It's "minor attracted person"...

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Don't we use just use the terms "Shrike" and "Jeffy" here?

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            Don't forget mtrueman and his masturbating nine-year-olds.

    5. Minadin   8 months ago

      Three, from what I saw.

  2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    As long as we still agree that j6 protesters can still be held without trial or bail for 3 years and tortured, then we're all good

    1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

      I can hardly wait for the headlines when Trump pardons the J6ers.

      1. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

        “Fascist President pardons violent fascist supporters."

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          (yawn)

        2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          “Fascist President pardons violent fascist supporters.”

          But enough about the BLM rioters.

          1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

            Molly is correct – That is EXACTLY what the headlines will say, or something to that effect.

            I’ll bet a C-note the DOJ will try to charge the J6ers with something else in order to circumvent the pardon.

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

              This. DOJ can't allow 10 innocent men let free, if it means 1 guilty man also goes free. And if the DOJ doesn't, expect state charges.

          2. Jerry B.   8 months ago

            Biden still has 2 months.

        3. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

          Yep. Too bad for devout Christian National Socialists their Führer shot himself in the head before the Nuremberg trials. And too bad for the intelligent Orangopox vandals their Führer shot himself in the foot before they even committed the crimes for which they are liable.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

            FOAD, asshole.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            I'll echo Sevo.

            FOAD, asshole.

        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          "TDS-addled steaming pile of shit posts lies."

        5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Yes, to marxists, anyone who resists their stupid political theology is a fascist.

    2. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

      "I did that." - Joe Biden

  3. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

    ""Now, a state judge is telling authorities not so fast.""

    Too late, doors shuttered. Weed confiscated.

    "The city says the operation has shut down over 1,200 illegal cannabis shops and seized over $82 million in illegal products.""

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-rules-law-that-shut-down-thousands-of-cannabis-shops-across-new-york-city-unconstitutional/ar-AA1tafiS?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=4ae3a68cf029421aa3bfb086701a1959&ei=22

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

      The part that might not be known is NYC is using a nuisance law to shut them down. But there was no nuisance. NYC just wants to claim there was just because they were open.

    2. Jerry B.   8 months ago

      And in other news…$82 million in seized pot disappears from NYPD evidence room.

      In a completely unrelated story…A new marijuana dispenser, POPO POT, has opened in NYC, capitalized at $82 million of product.

  4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    Pro baby murdering "doctors" once again lie about a law to put a woman's life at risk, leading to her death.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

      It is ENB today.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Yeah, lucky us, we get a taste of the bad old Bad Liz days. *barf*

      2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

        It's funny how I was reading the article and thinking, "this sounds more like something ENB would write; I can't believe Liz wrote this." I scroll up to see the author is, in fact, ENB.

    2. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

      Abortion activist medical professionals feign obfuscating stupidity for propaganda purposes. Individual women are pawns in their political gamesmanship. Of course, ENB pushes this nonsense.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        They will absolutely sacrifice the women they say they care about for the ideology. They will purposefully drag their feet and provide substandard care pretending their hands were tied, hoping to make it a nationwide case.

        And they know damn well the media will be there to lionize them, they will get a payday from the left, and be considered heroes to the cause.

        They just have to off some women along the way

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Only if the can blame the deaths on Republicans.

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            Pro-Life originated in Catholic Democrats.

            As it always is; Republicans TOOK the 'blame' because they joined the Democrats crusade (literally took it over).

            Republicans wrote Roe v Wade.

        2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

          Seldom does a girl-bullying fanatic ever face up to the fatal consequences of the initiation of deadly force against doctors and women. Medical records reveal that EVERY time Ceausescu-Torquemadista bigots are empowered to strip a woman of individual rights by declaring her a Siamese twin, the death rate in childbed increases plainly and simply. That mystical altruism is nurtured by love of death and hatred of life hardly needs to be proven over and over. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/04/24/republican-coercion-kills-american-women/

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            So did sarc learn "girl bully" from you, or was it the other way around?

            1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

              Maybe Hank is Sarc's dad.

              1. Small w woodchippertarian   8 months ago

                HA!

            2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              "girl bullying" doesn't much richer than denying girls the right to command their own bodies. Legalized rape rings a bell.

              1. Super Scary   8 months ago

                "Legalized rape rings a bell."

                Good lord you are unhinged when it comes to this subject.

                1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                  So long as my "living" penis gets to stay inside a Woman against her will.

                  If you think it's UN-hinged do explain the differences.

                  1. Super Scary   8 months ago

                    "If you think it’s UN-hinged do explain the differences."

                    I'm having trouble finding anyone, anywhere, advocating for legalized rape. I guess I can't help you.

                    1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      So it's just a popularity contest on what legal-demands others can make upon a Women's own body by 3rd parties???

                      The [WE]-majority 'owns' YOU!!!! /s
                      The Womb-Slave term didn't come from nowhere.

                    2. Super Scary   8 months ago

                      Why do you equate reducing and/or ending late term abortions (actual platform) with legalizing rape? Do you not see how crazy that makes you sound?

                    3. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      Because "ending late term abortions (actual platform)" isn't the legislation going forward.

                      Because I believe in "the peoples right to be secure in their persons" 4th Amendment.

                      And see nothing but imaginations and propaganda excusing that violation of the 4th Amendment and using Gov-Guns to TAKE-AWAY a persons own ability to claim they 'own' themselves.

                      There is a Constitutional Individual Right (4A) to Fetal Ejection.

                      Just as there would be an Individual Right for a Woman to deny sex even if she allowed it initially. You don't get to 'own' someone else's house just because they invited you in.

                    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                      As always, you need to define "person".

                    5. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      Not at-all.

                      One person isn't entitled to another persons body under any stretch of legal premise beyond State-Slavery.

                      Pro-Life also advocated to destroy the 13A.
                      "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

                      Pro-Life's legislation cannot even survive a (2) person case.
                      Fetal-Ejection is the (2) person non-slavery legal-premise solution.
                      Both persons getting to keep their "Individual Rights to Liberty".

                      The entire contention sits in *belief* in a right that doesn't exist and trying to Gov-Gun that non-right at someone else's expense.

                2. DesigNate   8 months ago

                  There's not a bad faith argument he won't make when it comes to abortion.

                  I appreciate his takes on everything else usually so I'm willing to ignore it.

                  1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                    Maybe the 'faith' directing Gov-Gun usage ****IS**** the problem.

          2. Overt   8 months ago

            Seldom does crazy LIBtranslator ever have to face the fatal consequences of killing babies in the womb. And yet here is LIBtranslator thinking that he is some sort of moral authority on his ghoulish crusade.

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              Gov-Gun FORCING Abortion isn't the legislation on the table.
              Nice try twisting the subject 360-degrees back to the same Anti-Choice issue though.

          3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            Maybe you should learn where babies come from.

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              Uh… 9-months of the reproduction process?
              Funny you can't seem to convince me of your Storks-drop ‘babies’ at conception fairy-tale.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                So a baby born at 8 months isn’t a baby?

                1. R Mac   8 months ago

                  Just a clump of cells yo.

                2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                  You asked where they came from not when they existed.

                  'Born' is not only a Constitutionally stated term it's also the term associated with 'Baby' in every Pre-Pro-Life-BS-ad-lib dictionary.

                  And a Fertilized-Egg was the term before "clump of cells" got propagandized.

                  Only wishful-thinking makes anyone really call conception a 'baby' just like they'd call their future plans for their house "their house". Not that it actually exists at all.

                  Yet Pro-Life is the only one's using Gov-Guns to FORCE into existence their own "wishful" thinking under some BS mind-pollution that it already exists.

                  One thing is becoming obvious....
                  No-one can argue reason or sensible with blatant religious BIGOTRY.

                  "Gov-Guns MAKES 'babies'!!!!!! That's just the way it is!!!!", Pro-Life advocates.

                  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                    I guess in your world there is baby or not-baby. That almost makes life simple.

                    Do you think of non-human life the same way? Person or not-person (and thus no different from any object)?

                    1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      I didn’t invent the imaginary ‘baby’. Pro-Life advocates did.

                      I keep it simple by abiding by the US Constitution and the 4th Amendment “The right of the people to be secure in their persons” … “against seizure” … “shall not be violated.”

                      I didn’t lobby to “seize” the Woman to reproduce.
                      Your trying awfully hard to self-project here.

        3. Overt   8 months ago

          I don't think this is the case here...most doctors at a hospital don't want this to happen...they haven't dedicated their lives and total medical practice to murdering babies in the womb. Many of them regularly deliver healthy babies.

          Nevertheless, any time a person gets a bacterial infection at a hospital, the high likelihood is that the hospital gets sued. I think that what we see happening here is a preemptive defense by the hospital, trying to cover their bases.

          But this is just a smoke screen. There is no proof that this poor woman got an infection because the hospital didn't immediately induce labor. People spend hours in hospitals waiting for labor ALL THE TIME. But by throwing up this red herring, the doctors and hospital get to say "Sorry she died, its the law, sue the government."

          1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

            "most doctors at a hospital don’t want this to happen…they haven’t dedicated their lives and total medical practice to murdering babies in the womb"

            Most havent, but there are certainly way more activists than I ever thought, and they have a completely skewed morality structure.

            Never would have thought I would see people pushing sterilizing and mutilating children for what looks like, from the outside, a completely nonsense anti-science ideology, but the AAP and APA sure as fuck got on board that train, at least briefly.

            We forget that doctors are still people, and people are stupid and tribal.

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              What would YOU have done differently????

              Dilation and evacuation (D&E) is .....
              "the dilation of the cervix and surgical evacuation of the uterus (******including the fetus******, placenta and other tissue) after the first trimester of pregnancy."

              It IS an ABORTION 100%.
              Think you can just wish your way into 'stork dropping babies'.???

              1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

                "What would YOU have done differently????"

                She died from retained products of conception. The correct process would have been:

                - Do a D and C once the baby was confirmed to have passed (as it did here) to confirm the products were gone
                - Do a follow up ultrasound to confirm.
                - Admit for monitoring to watch for bleeding / infection
                - If discharging, close follow up or instructions to present immediately if signs of sepsis/bleeding

                Pretty basic shit honestly

                1. Dillinger   8 months ago

                  the ultimate lesson here is never need a hospital in Houston.

                2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                  1 was followed. Are you sure the rest weren’t too?
                  If it’s so important why aren’t you the doctor?
                  Maybe you think you should be everyone's doctor by Gov-Gun usage.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                    1 was followed. Are you sure the rest weren’t too?

                    Are you sure it was? None of that is mentioned and you can't prove a negative, so where's the evidence that those follow-up procedures took place? And if they did, why did the reporter not include that particular pertinent bit of information?

                    1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      Because only someone making excuses for "Politicians with Gov-Guns should doctor the world" would care so much about post-patient follow-ups.

                      i.e. MORE Gov-Guns needed till they get it right by my FORCED beliefs. /s

                    2. R Mac   8 months ago

                      So you just made it up. Got it.

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      Because only someone making excuses for “Politicians with Gov-Guns should doctor the world” would care so much about post-patient follow-ups.

                      But you're the one who asked "Are you sure the rest weren’t too?"

                      Is it not relevant to determine if that actually took place, since a doctor would know that a failure to expel a miscarriage might result in a life-threatening infection?

                    4. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      "failure to expel a (WHAT)??" ...
                      Miscarriage is a natural act.
                      Expelling is a 'procedure' (i.e. Abortion)
                      IS THAT NOT exactly what Pro-Life is insisting???????

                      So a doctor that failed to properly preform an Abortion couldn't have anything to do with a strict Anti-Abortion law and activists huh?

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      You’ve never actually known anyone who’s had a miscarriage, have you?

                      Here, I'll helpfully repeat what I posted below, since that's the only one you seemed to not respond to:

                      Here’s something a lot of people don’t know about miscarriages–it’s not always like in the movies where the mother suddenly starts gushing blood and they have to run to the hospital for an emergency procedure. Oftentimes, what happens is the fetus simply expires for whatever reason (and as upsetting as it can be, usually the reason it happens is because something short-circuited in the development process in the womb), it registers as unusual pain or discomfort, and the miscarriage is confirmed with an ultrasound. After that, the doctor prescribes “abortion pills,” which is really just a medication that is supposed to allow the body to expel the fetus or zygote, and the mother literally flushes everything down the toilet.

                    6. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                      And this case is....

                      Waiting 40hrs for the nosy Pro-Life ?baby? definition to get re-defined by Pro-Lifer advocates into a 'miscarriage' ("confirmed with an ultrasound") that directly caused UN-imaginable suffering and infection to occur and finally ended up killing a *REAL* child's Mother.

                      I hope your religious virtue-signalling was worth it. /s

                      Maybe too much nosy Gov-Gun enforced 'moral standards' has more consequences than Gov-God worshipers want to admit. Maybe the pre-born isn't ceasars territory after all?

          2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

            IIRC medical malpractice is a leading cause of death. People die from botched procedures every day and in the vast majority of cases it has nothing to do with abortion.

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              Pro-Life's Gov-Gun laws "botched" the procedure.
              Neither the will of the Woman or the will of the Doctor was considered.
              Pro-Life doesn't deny this (taking will away) what-so-ever.

      2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        “Individual women are pawns in their political gamesmanship”

        Told you Pro-Life was a leftard crusade.
        Even the leftard self-projection BS shows up 100%.

        Gov-Gun FORCING Women to reproduce against their will is “Individual Women are Pawns”.
        Pro-Life doesn’t even recognize the Women as having any Individual Rights what-so-ever.
        “She dismissed her Individual Rights when she decided to have sex.”, Pro-Life over and over again.

        1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

          Nobody is forcing women to reproduce. Abortion does not prevent reproduction. It merely destroys the results pf reproduction, Since you are pulling the postmodernist sophistry that words mean what you need them to mean and can therefore abandon logic and reason for gibberish, you cannot acknowledge that.

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            "It merely *destroys* the results of reproduction"
            How would Fetal Ejection (i.e. Re-location) *destroy* anything?

            Pro-Life abandoned logic when they insisted Abortion had to be the equivalent of a fetal-stab. There's nothing logical about that bigoted "that's what it has to be" frame of mind and it's exactly why they can't just legislate the 'stab' out of the procedure and exactly why they don't give a F about *destroying* anything; they care about FORCED reproduction.

            If you cannot support ?baby? freedom. (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
            UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.

            1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

              Do better. The playing at the idiot you do here is tedious.

              I truly cannot imagine that you actually believe such a stupid claim that abortion does not kill a living human organism. You can assertion that you for think it matters, but claiming that it somehow does not count as human because it is inconvenient is pretending to ignorance.

              1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                Do better. By your own accord BAN cancer treatment.
                Killing Human cancer is MURDER!!! It's HUMAN!!!!!

                And while you're at it BAN all organ re-location/donation (i.e. "living human organs").

                The only 'ignorance' I'm carrying is 'ignorance' towards your religious bigotry gets to use Gov-Guns because no matter how many times you insist your RELIGION (beliefs) gets to use Gov-Guns there is a Constitution that says it doesn't.

                1. R Mac   8 months ago

                  Yeah, definitely retarded.

                  1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                    Pro-Life Today = 2024 Version of the Salem Witch Trials.

                    A [WE] mob of bigoted religious minds prosecuting people by all those possessed unborn babies (unicorns).

      3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        'Member when Kamala had a bunch of abortionists on stage with her and someone in the audience went down and someone shouted "We need a doctor!" and not one of the abortionists moved to help?

    3. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

      What lie? The law is clear. They were following guidance from legal counsel. And "life of the mother" is a defense in court, which won't prevent them from being arrested and put on trial.

      Put the blame where it belongs, on the Texas government.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Everything you just stated is the lie. The law is clear. Most non activist OBGYNs are operating as normal. Your team lies about the law, activist doctors pretend to be confused, intentionally harm patients. They should be held liable.

        1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

          What is the evidence that shows these were activist doctors?

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            The end result is the evidence.

            1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

              Poe's law clarification request: jokey DLAM, or serious DLAM?

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            The fact they continue to ignore what the actual law says? They they advertise their ignorance to the media after they harm someone?

            Most of the doctors are not “confused.”

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              They didn't seem to be confused when they didn't consider her miscarriage life threatening. If only they could've predicted the future.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                Yeah, if only they could have foreseen that the abortion drugs they prescribed to her to expel the miscarried fetus would fail to actually work.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

        No they literally did not follow the law or the standard of care.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Hey, what's more important? Following the law and saving a woman, or creating a martyr worth thousands of votes?

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            eggs. omelette.

          2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            D & E *is* abortion.
            The law was followed exactly as pitched.

      3. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        She didn't die from laying there with a dilated uterus. She died from going home with dead tissue sitting in her uterus.

        In theory, in their argument, you *could* maybe possibly get an infection from a dilated uterus. But that not only isnt a certainty, its a reach.

        However, you know what is 100% guaranteed to cause sepsis? Dead tissue sitting in your uterus that didnt get expelled.

        The argument being made is that "the hang nail likely got infected, that infected the finger, that went systemic, and the person died from sepsis from that...not the rusty pus-covered shank she had sitting in her side, disregard that part"

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          Pro-Life claims it's not dead?
          Why the change of heart so fast?

          1. DesigNate   8 months ago

            Did this make sense to you?

            Because Pro-Life people don't say that the baby is still alive when a woman has a miscarriage.

            (I know you don't like the term "baby" for anything still inside the uterus, but I used it because that's what Pro-Life people call it.)

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              Was it a miscarriage or a baby?

              Seems the Pro-Life advocates get to willy-nilly decide that all on their own changing religious statement-of-beliefs accord and apparently the doctor decided it was a baby just a Pro-Life advocates insisted so would not REMOVE that baby by Pro-Life advocates insistence. So by Pro-Life Gov-Gun demands it remained there for 40-hrs till the doctor felt comfortable within Pro-Life's demands in removing it.

              Pro-Life DEMANDS EVERYTHING by Gov-Gun dictation but if things so wrong it's not their fault! /s

      4. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

        There ya go! Give Trumpanzees, the Army of God and the Vatican a pass on THIS genocide.

        1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          Wow, crazy Hank finally admitted abortion is genocide.

        2. Overt   8 months ago

          LIBtranslator's career is based on the notion that he knows languages so well he can convert text from one language to another. So awesome is his grasp of the english language that the death of a single woman is Genocide.

          I love libertarians and hope they do well in life. But if I ever referred a client to your services, I am sure I would be accused of corporate sabotage. Sorry.

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            Libertarians at large are AGAINST your Self-Righteous power-madness dumb*ss.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              No. They aren’t. Just the illogical ones with a fascination for mothers convenience supercedes an infants life

              1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                Lets see that infants life...
                Until that infant lives in the *real* world it's just a figment of your imagination.

        3. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          FYI: Trump came out against strict Anti-Abortion laws.
          It's amazing how much blame Trump gets he doesn't deserve.

      5. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        "Put the blame where it belongs, on the Pro-Life activists."
        Now watch them make excuses endlessly.
        Heaven-forbid their Gov-Guns were WRONG.

    4. Bubba Jones   8 months ago

      There's no law against giving a woman antibiotics to prevent or treat sepsis.

      1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        I know right!!! Let [US] use those Gov-Guns and politicians and FORCE her to take antibiotics!!! /s

        What the F did you dumb*sses think was going to happen when you lobbied to put politicians in-between a person and their own F'En BODY?????

        1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          I'm pro-choice. But why are so many of you others who have this as a top issue unable to conceive of the the other side's argument in good faith? I believe the bodily autotomy of the woman supersedes the right to life of the fetus, if the fetus even has a right to life that requires the usage of the woman's body. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but haven't heard an argument that satisfies me yet. But I understand the pro-life argument is that the fetus IS a person. Yet repeatedly I hear you and others talk about the issue as though the other side just wants to "enslave" women and "deny them healthcare." This amounts to a strawman of the pro-life argument.

          I would liken it to the slavery issue in antebellum America. If one side is saying they believe the enslaved is a person deserving of freedom, and the other side said why do you hate property rights. By ONLY focusing on the property rights aspect, you aren't even addressing the issue of whether the slave is a person.

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            Because you're a Roe v Wade dismissal too late for that topic.

            "unable to conceive of the the other side’s argument in good faith? I believe the bodily autonomy of the woman supersedes the right to life of the fetus, if the fetus even has a right to life that requires the usage of the woman’s body."

            The Fetus doesn't have an *inherent* right to life Pre-Viable because its existence relies entirely on the Woman's body.

            Just like my finger-nail doesn't have an *inherent* right to life to servant me into it's exitance especially by some 3rd party nosy busy-bodies who want to make up 'faith' on my own personal body.

            If Pro-Life was on a crusade about post-viable abortion the topic would be post-viable state politics. Not 6-week bans.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            I’m willing to be convinced otherwise, but haven’t heard an argument that satisfies me yet.

            Does a mother of a 5 month old have the right to take their 5 month old out to the middle of a forest, decide she is too tired to carry it back, and leave the baby in the forest? Or does her initial action require a duty of care?

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              According to Pro-Life; Stuffing it up her own vagina is the only proper place to be.

              What's your conclusion of that situation? It was a life-saving act?

            2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

              Been busy at work, but here's my overly-long reply:

              That's not a binary decision the way it is in utero. The mother of the five-month old could decide to give the baby to someone else to watch over before going out to the woods, could give it up for adoption, or many other options that wouldn't violate her bodily autonomy. If she brought the baby out to the middle of the woods with the intention of leaving it out there to die, it would be premeditated murder. In this hypothetical, though, if she stupidly decided to take a stroll to the middle of the woods and somehow felt she couldn't make it back with it, I don't think I'd make it a crime to leave the baby and get help as soon as she could. If she did that but didn't seek help for the baby, she would be charged. What if she were attacked by an animal and is bleeding out? She doesn't think she can make it back carrying the baby and figures if she dies on the way out, they both die, but going solo will increase the chances of being able to bring help back to the baby so both could live. I'd maybe charge her for negligent homicide for deciding to do something so foreseeably reckless as to bring a newborn to the middle of the woods without taking ANY precautions, if the baby did die in that scenario.

              I can see how you'd probably reply to my explanations above by saying, "well, the woman put herself in the situation of getting impregnated (excluding rape) by having unprotected consensual sex, so how is it different than a mother choosing to take a newborn to a forest without precautions?" I don't have a great answer to that, honestly. One could argue that the zygote that resulted from sex isn't a person and therefore it's not violating the right to live as the zygote doesn't have one. I don't necessarily agree with that, either. I don't have a good answers to many of these aspects that need to be considered. I'll have to think about it more.

              As to the scenario of abortion itself, the fetus in utero can't be given to another woman who is willing to carry it. There are, as of now at least, no artificial wombs that could carry a fetus to term. So, granting for the sake of argument, the fetus has a right to life, but the woman also has a right to bodily autonomy. Depending on what the woman intends, those two rights are in direct conflict. I find the bodily autonomy wins out. I'm sure you disagree, JesseAZ, and would say the fetus/unborn baby's right to life supersedes the woman's right to bodily autonomy. I don't know if I'd even say the fetus has the rights of a person, such as a right to life, but I lean that way. Also, if the fetus has rights, is it from conception or some later stage? I've gone back and forth on that over the last ten years. If the fetus is viable, and the woman decides to end her pregnancy, however, I would want the fetus removed alive (born). Either way (abortion or early delivery) the fetus is removed from the woman's body complying with her autonomy, so why kill it first? (I first heard Tim Pool make this argument for a viable fetus/baby, and I find it to be a good one.)

              I would ask you, JesseAZ, does a mom have the right to refuse donating a kidney to a child who will die without it? It would be very shitty if the mom chose not to do so, but I don't think she has a requirement to donate a kidney. What if the baby needs a partial liver transplant which will save the kid's life, or at least extend it, but will reduce the life expectancy of the mother. Should the mom be forced to donate the kidney, or part of her liver?

              1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                The Pre-Viable fetus doesn't have an *inherent* right to life.

                Making-up that right out of *belief* and Gov-Gun *entitling* it that right by TAKING-IT from anothers body is the same as FORCED organ donation.

                It is a Leftard argument through and through.

                A 'believed' right that isn't a right at all to *entitle* one to another's belongings (body). In this particular issue; actually being FAR-WORSE than just taking $ or Property. Taking-away one's own ability to 'own' themselves.

                Gov-Guns weren't put here to FORCE everyone else to do what one *believes* they should be doing. They're there to ensure Liberty and Justice for all. Liberty for the ?baby? and Liberty for the Woman is EXACTLY what Pro-Life is against.

                1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                  I was responding to the hypothetical that JesseAZ posed to me.

                  But since you replied to it, let me ask you, TJJ2000, regarding viability, why does the fetus have a right to life if it's viable? Would you outlaw abortion if the fetus is viable? I, personally, would require the doctors not kill the fetus but remove it alive from the woman. She doesn't have to have anything to do with the child she didn't want to carry any more. But what if the woman wanted the viable fetus killed (abortion) instead of just removed alive from her body?

                  1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                    Your suggested solution to the debate is exactly the same as mine.

                    Viability (self-sustainable) in Roe v Wade came from the earliest successful premature delivery on record (Record Setting 'miracles'). It ruled the most strict reasonable marker for an *inherent* right to life but actually was too Pro-Life in that it allowed the State to Violate the 4A (people own themselves) from that point on. Not protesting Roe v Wade provision that allowed State-Forced 'carry-to-delivery' is a Pro-Life compromise (how I view it anyways).

                    In reality Roe v Wade should've ruled an Individual Right to Fetal Ejection ('own' one's own body) and the State could stop the Woman from ordering the ... "wanted the viable fetus killed instead of just removed alive". An Individual Right (at-will) to Fetal Ejection or C-Section if you'd like to call it.

                    If Pro-Life insists an *inherent* right to life exists; let them prove it in *reality* instead of their big-mouth insisted *beliefs* (i.e. propaganda). The whole debate at this point sits around imaginary subjects (unicorn theories) and some right that has ZERO record of ever existing.

                    But as they say; Power corrupts absolutely and the Pro-Life movement is no exception on their crusade.

    5. R Mac   8 months ago

      Yeah, they’re going to have to provide an example of a Dr getting arrested for treating a case like this before I’ll take this bullshit seriously.

      1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to be that test subject?

        1. R Mac   8 months ago

          I’m not a doctor.

          Can you provide an example of one getting arrested under similar circumstances?

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            Level-2 of the leftard premise.
            If no-one gets arrested for it then it isn't really a crime anyways.
            What's the point of having the law if it's never enforced? Virtue-signaling?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Have you even read the law in question?

              1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                Yes and there is no static definition of what "life threatening" entails.
                I guess doctors need the ability to see into the future to know huh?

            2. R Mac   8 months ago

              Are you retarded?

              1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                Yeah. That'll make it less religious bigotry... Just call it names. /s

                1. R Mac   8 months ago

                  So that’s a yes.

    6. TJJ2000   8 months ago

      "Pro baby murdering “doctors”???
      Funny; The whole thing was about NOT 'murdering' your BS 'baby'.

      Nothing shows the comments section can be just as blatantly STUPID as a Leftard-rag than the word 'abortion'.

      Maybe leftards are so arrogantly stupid for the same reason the regularly sensible ones can be just as F'En STUPID - Religious Biases.

  5. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    Congressional Republicans are recommending criminal charges for former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D).

    How long until Fauci is on the docket?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Is a docket that thing with nooses?

      1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

        +1 gibbet platform

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

      I would vote for whoever promised to bring that little troll to justice.

      Except Harris.

  6. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    "gave her drugs to help speed up the miscarriage. She was sent home about eight hours after that"

    "with retained products of conception."

    So similar to the Georgia case, she had retained products of conception that caused sepsis.

    Note that no law, anywhere, is against a D and C to remove said retained products.

    In the GA case, the lady died because she took the pill on her own, didn't expel the fetus, and died because of it after seeking care (which wasn't illegal) far too late.

    Here, whether due to not following back up or lack of clarity that she needed to be followed up, or perhaps just admitting her to the hospital for observation (at least one of the above should have happened and didnt) is what caused the death.

    Trying to make this a case doesnt stand up to any kind of scrutiny further than surface level shitlibbery, "project 2025 handmaidens tale women dying in the streets!!!"

    1. Spiritus Mundi   8 months ago

      ENB just dropped by today to remind you how she likes to lie about abortion.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        And that she just plain likes abortions.

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          it is Halloween.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      You are about 50 iq points past what enbs retard mind can handle. She only know "kill babies, good". Any discussion more in depth than that is past her capability

    3. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

      Now this is debunking...I appreciate the clarification. Texas law defenders should lead with this one.

    4. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Observe the thoroughness of this one's mystical brainwashing. A conspiracy of adults gangs up to threaten a child with eternal torture lest the victim believe a pack of lies. But this "isn't really" mutilation because only the victim's mind was stunted and scarred. The First Amendment--according to them--makes it OK to abet and participate in threatening doctors and killing the extra number of women necessary to put God's teeth into their violent laws.

      1. Overt   8 months ago

        I am concerned that LIBtranslator's mind has gone completely to mush or this is a coded message sent from captivity. Either way, if you know LIBT, please send him help.

        Let's recap: Parsons pointed out that this death was not due to the abortion law, but due to leaving dead tissue inside the uterus- something that can happen under many circumstances, whether an abortion was performed/not performed.

        So rather than rebut that argument, LIBT has elected to make up fantasies and non-sequiturs.

        1. R Mac   8 months ago

          Pretty sure Hank is already living in a facility and they’re quite aware of his condition. He’ll be just fine.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            He's even got a theme song.

            https://genius.com/Napoleon-xiv-theyre-coming-to-take-me-away-ha-haaa-lyrics

            And they're coming to take me away, ha-ha
            They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-ha
            To the funny farm
            Where life is beautiful all the time
            And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
            And they're coming to take me away, ha-ha

        2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          This dude is like a mash up of SQRSLY and Hihn.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            At least with Sqrlsy you can get him to post the Tim the Enchanter copypasta as a surrender flag.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            Nah, he's been trying to emulate Agile Cyborg drug-induced comments for years. At least AC's posts were charming in their surreal nature and made sense in their own weird way.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      In the GA case, the lady died because she took the pill on her own, didn’t expel the fetus, and died because of it after seeking care (which wasn’t illegal) far too late.

      Here's something a lot of people don't know about miscarriages--it's not always like in the movies where the mother suddenly starts gushing blood and they have to run to the hospital for an emergency procedure. Oftentimes, what happens is the fetus simply expires for whatever reason (and as upsetting as it can be, usually the reason it happens is because something short-circuited in the development process in the womb), it registers as unusual pain or discomfort, and the miscarriage is confirmed with an ultrasound. After that, the doctor prescribes "abortion pills," which is really just a medication that is supposed to allow the body to expel the fetus or zygote, and the mother literally flushes everything down the toilet.

    6. TJJ2000   8 months ago

      "Note that no law, anywhere, is against a D and C to remove said retained products. "

      Dilation and evacuation (D&E) *********is***********
      the surgical evacuation of the fetus after the first trimester of pregnancy.

      Denying that it is an abortion doesn't make a case what-so-ever.
      Perhaps everyone can just call it D&E instead of abortion and all will be good?

    7. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      It would be interesting to see how many women die of sepsis after the same treatment in states that allow abortion up to the moment of birth. I'm guessing the number would look a lot like Texas.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Or Minnesota, where abortion can happen after birth...

      2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        Why would any “same treatment” exist (dialated for 40hrs) in any other state? Some sort of medical experiment? Maybe [WE] can vote to use Gov-Guns and FORCE the experiment on some UN-suspecting State-Owned Slave???

        After all; Not like that Woman has any right to "be secure in her person" anymore. Dobbs 'fixed' that.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    In a story written for the Jeffmikes of the world....

    Chinese national going to school in Wisconsin uses student ID, rental contract to prove residency, and checks a box to register to vote. Proceeds to vote.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/

    Jeffmike will claim the system works as thr student was identified as an illegal voter. Voter turned himself in and his vote can't be removed.

    Apparently a check box doesn't ensure citizenship.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      10 election fortification we've already seen this year.

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/10-election-irregularities-have-occurred-during-early-voting-so-far

      My favorite:

      The state GOP announced that it had found a paid Democratic staffer and 15 other voters registered at an address that is currently vacant. The party additionally discovered that at least five paid Democratic campaign workers have a different voter registration address than their reported address on a campaign financial disclosure.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        No widespread fraud.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Just enough.

          1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

            Exactly.
            "within the margin of error" is just another way of saying "we need two more suitcases over here".

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Where have I seen that before???

        Oh yes, Chicago.

        https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-chicago

        In 1982, Illinois was the setting for "a hotly con­tested" gubernatorial race between Democratic Senator Adlai Stevenson III, son of former governor and presidential hopeful Adlai Stevenson II, and Republican James Thompson.

        In its reporting, the Chicago Tribune discovered that the supposed home address of three voters in the 17th Precinct of the 27th Ward was a vacant lot. The paper also discovered that votes had been cast for seven residents of a nursing home who denied having voted-their signatures on the ballot applications were all forgeries. In fact, one resident had no fingers or thumbs with which to write a sig­nature.[12] The fraud was so blatant that the resident without fingers or thumbs "was counted as having voted twice by the end of the day."

        The investigation uncovered a variety of voter-fraud techniques.

        False Registrations. Another way to obtain names that could be voted on election day was to have people falsely register to vote in a precinct. One party precinct captain, for example, had two city workers who were seeking to transfer their job locations register in his precinct even though they did not live there. Even the assistant precinct captain was falsely registered.[39] In some instances, the conspirators asked actual residents at the addresses where voters falsely claimed to reside to "place name-tags on their doors that bore the names of the non-resident registrants."[40] Other canvassers were indicted and charged with certi­fying the addresses of voters when no such address existed.[41]

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          And even more interesting, in light of the illegal alien surge we've seen, is this:

          Registering Aliens. Aliens who were illegally registered were another source of potential votes "for the unscrupulous precinct captain." The grand jury found that many aliens "register to vote so that they can obtain documents identifying them as U.S. citizens" and had "used their voters' cards to obtain a myriad of benefits, from social security to jobs with the Defense Department."[34] In fact, three aliens were charged "with attempting to get U.S. passports by using their voter registration cards."[35]

          U.S. Attorney Dan Webb estimated that 80,000 illegal aliens were registered to vote in Chicago.[36] Dozens of aliens were indicted and convicted for registering and voting,[37] and one individual was indicted for recruiting an illegal alien to register to vote.[38]

          This isn't the first election where Democrats have tried to register illegal aliens to vote. It's all in the 1982 Illinois gubernatorial election playbook.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      In a blow to QBmike, supreme court overturn federal court who ordered self declared non citizens could not be removed off Virginia voter rolls.

      Who knew a 2006 law didn’t fall in the 90 day elector protection period as the DoJ claimed.

      https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-voter-registration-purge-ba3d785d9d2d169d9c02207a42893757?taid=67223fe91fef560001755bb5&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

      Bonus comment for Jeff who idolizes AP as neutral declaring it a purge.

      1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

        In a blow to QBmike

        Is this a reference to me? The only blow to me is the lack of explanation from SCOTUS and lack of common sense in interpreting law. How do you interpret this?:

        (c) Voter removal programs
        …
        (2)(A) A State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.

        https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title52/subtitle2/chapter205&edition=prelim

        Who knew a 2006 law didn’t fall in the 90 day elector protection period as the DoJ claimed.

        If your defense of the law requires this willful misunderstanding, you likely have a problem. When the law was passed is irrelevant because of the word “complete.”

        1. mulched   8 months ago

          You could at least read the brief. One argument from VA was that it's not a systematic removal because they individually identified themselves.

          Second argument is that they're not ineligible voters (e.g. dead or moved). They're not voters at all because they're not citizens.

          You can disagree with one or both of those arguments, but they're coherent enough.

          1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

            Thank you, mulched. This is enlightening to me. It provides with some arguable facts that I was not aware of. It demonstrates to me and hopefully others that this was not such an obvious decision.

            I think VA is reaching a bit with arguments that only a lawyer could consider valid, but this is much better than a "law passed in 2006 is more than 90 days ago."

            1. mulched   8 months ago

              That's fair. FWIW, I didn't think any of the arguments was a slam dunk, but at least worth making.

            2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

              I could also see an argument that the federal 90-day law is unconstitutional because it violates the ability of states to conduct elections.

              States are restricted from disenfranchising citizens as outlined in the constitution, including the 15th and 24th amendments, but have the power and authority to conduct elections as they see fit--as long as they're not violating other stipulations in the constitution. This could be true even before we get to the aspect of self-identified non-citizens registered to vote.

              If you don't think the federal law is unconstitutional, would you think if it were changed to nine months, instead of 90 days, would that be constitutional? What about a federal law saying the window is 9 years? At what point is it no longer constitutional for the federal government to stop states from purging voter roles of unlawful voters/registrants?

              1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

                Got me again. I didn’t consider constitutional issues. I never gave any thought to states’ rights in terms of elections but I think I could be convinced that even at 90 days the law is unconstitutional. I’m guessing this is a non-starter even with the current court though.

                This is why I come here. Great information, conversation and debates.

                1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                  Same reason why I come here. I find I learn more and am better informed by reading the Reason comments section, than if I just go to news sources. If something happened, someone in these comments will link to it, even if it's not being covered in the legacy media.

                  I like getting opposing points of view here, as it helps me to avoid living in a bubble where everyone already agrees with my perspective.

                  Some of the commenters here come across as intellectually dishonest. I've definitely disagreed with your perspective in the past, QB, but I don't perceive any dishonesty from you, much less the "use whatever means necessary, even if it's false, to win the argument above all else." The latter is the Destiny and Mehdi Hassan approach to debating. (see the recent Piers Morgan episode with them and Dave Smith)

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Posted on this last night...kicker is that the vote will still count...

      Chinese student to face criminal charges for voting in Michigan. Ballot will apparently count

      https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/

      Ann Arbor — A University of Michigan student who is from China and not a U.S. citizen allegedly voted Sunday in Ann Arbor and is being charged with two crimes, six days before a pivotal presidential election.

      The filing of the charges was revealed Wednesday in a statement from Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s office and the Washtenaw County Prosecutor’s office. The press release didn’t identify the student but described him only as “a non-U.S. citizen.”

      The 19-year-old individual from China was legally present in the United States but not a citizen, which meant he couldn’t legally cast a ballot, according to information from the Michigan Secretary of State’s office. He registered to vote on Sunday using his UM student identification and other documentation establishing residency in Ann Arbor, he signed a document identifying himself as a U.S. citizen and his ballot was entered into a tabulator, according to the Secretary of State’s office.

      The ballot was cast at an early voting site at the University of Michigan Museum of Art on State Street, according to the Ann Arbor city administrator.

      Later, the UM student voter contacted the local clerk’s office, asking if he could somehow get his ballot back, according to Benson’s office.

      The student’s ballot is expected to count in the upcoming election — although it was illegally cast — because there is no way for election officials to retrieve it once it’s been put through a tabulator, according to two sources familiar with Michigan election laws. The setup is meant to prevent ballots from being tracked back to an individual voter.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        The following has since been resolved. Apparently there was a "glitch" in the system.

        Michigan: One voter ID with 29 separate "votes" already.

        Also, according to the state's own QVF records, there are "114,545 Michigan voters who have cast 279,113 ballots from multiple addresses across the state. This results in 164,568 excess ballots as of 10/29/2024."

        Incidentally Biden won Michigan in 2020 by 154,188 votes.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Every split personality gets a vote.

          Based on recent overturned election precedents that is enough to overturn an election.

          1. Super Scary   8 months ago

            If you are Bi you also get two votes. One for the gentlemen and another for the ladies.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

              But what about the gender gap? Won't his/her votes just cancel each other out?

      2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

        So! The GOPsocker is on record. Let the word go forth from this time and place that if the Don gets the job, deportation will larn th' Wily Oriental the proper readin' of the White alphabet. But iff God's Grabber Of Pussy is NOT enthroned, THIS STUDENT'S VOTE is what made the election a fraud and justifies, nay, DEMANDS violent treason to set matters right.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Do you ever make a sentence that actually makes any sense, anywhere, at anytime? Or do you only make word salads that make Kamala Harris seem somewhat understandable?

          1. DesigNate   8 months ago

            Hank is a run of the mill senile leftist.

    4. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Apparently a check box doesn’t ensure citizenship.

      B-b-but those two party mouthpieces swore it would work.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Apparently in Colorado, someone stole a whole bunch of ballots and turned them in all filled out. We know they voted Democrat because the votes weren't mentioned in the press conference.

      Fortunately, most of them (no widespread fraud!) got caught some through signature verification, and the rest when the intended recipient got a notification text that they had voted through an app on their phone that they signed up for when they registered. That fat cow Jena Griswold finally admitted after several minutes of hemming and hawing at a press conference that at least three ballots were irretrievable and couldn't be reversed.

      First off, fucking how? If you know the person who got their vote stolen, delete the vote from the system and allow the voter to re-submit it in person.

      Apparently, there's been some ballot stuffing in Michigan that was already exposed, too. These fuckheads aren't even trying to hide their cheating this time through plausible deniability.

      1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

        " . . . delete the vote from the system and allow the voter to re-submit it in person."

        Sure. Glad to do it.
        Show me on the doll which of the 75,000 anonymous, indistinguishable ballots it was.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Local news coverage of that incident

        https://youtu.be/EJsVL4gObvA

  8. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    I looked up the brennen center for justice. They are still claiming Russia colussion, and that illegals should be allowed to vote. Fuck off ENB.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Where are they are free weed and ass sex?

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

        I'm willing to bet their stance is whatever the globalhomo Marxists tell them to believe

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          That sounds Reasonable.

  9. Super Scary   8 months ago

    "Operation Padlock to Protect"

    For the ladies, O.P.P means something gifted
    The first two letters are the same
    But the last is something different
    It's the longest, loveliest, lean, I call it the leanest
    It's another five letter word rhymin' with cleanest and meanest
    I won't get into that, I'll do it, ah, sorta properly
    I'll say the last P, hmm, stands for property

  10. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

    The Washington Post talks to pro-choice women who aren't buying Democrats' claims about what a second Trump presidency would mean for legal abortion.

    The stupidest part about the DNCs narrative is that Trump is probably the most pro-abortion Republican presidential candidate in decades. This stance of Trump's actually pisses me off because I think it's baby-killing, and if I were a single-issue kind of guy I'd be against him.

    Nevertheless, is there a DNC accusation out there that's actually true?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Kamala would turn the US into Detroit?

    2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      is there a DNC accusation out there that’s actually true?

      JD Vance is wrong about being weird?

    3. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

      Whomever is elected will have no bearing on the abortion question. Next year the Republicans will manufacture a case with the intent of giving the Supreme Court the opportunity to rule all abortion is illegal under 14A.

      How do I know they will do this? It is in the 2024 Republican platform.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        Wow! Give us that quote from the 2024 Republican platform where they will “manufacture a case with the intent of giving the Supreme Court the opportunity to rule all abortion is illegal under 14A”.

        1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          Still waiting for that citation, "Molly".

        2. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

          "We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights."
          Page 14.

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            So which part of that says they will “manufacture a case with the intent of giving the Supreme Court the opportunity to rule all abortion is illegal under 14A”, Nazi?

            I'm not seeing it.

            Fucking sociopath.

      2. Super Scary   8 months ago

        "How do I know they will do this? It is in the 2024 Republican platform."

        I'm not seeing that anywhere. Their platform only mentions late term abortions. Maybe you could point that "rule all abortion is illegal" part out for me? https://www.npr.org/2024/07/08/nx-s1-5033015/rnc-republican-party-platform-2024

        1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

          Are you saying that the sockpuppet is lying?

          Comeon, Super Scary, has a DNC bot ever lied here before?

          1. R Mac   8 months ago

            Turd lies.

        2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

          WOOPSIE. The Libertarian ROE decision was the labor of Satan when the Don packed the court with officious Christian National Socialists before the midterm elections. Suddenly, a divine 19A REVELATION occurred and alluva sudden things are more nuanced than the simple public stoning of disobedient Jezebels. When JOBS for he DICKS are at stake, the situation gets a little trickier, eh?

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            I don't believe that even you know what your saying anymore.

            1. Super Scary   8 months ago

              I translated his screed to Spanish and then back to English. It sort of helped –
              “Wow! The libertarian decision on the Supreme Court ruling was the work of Satan, when Mr. Don packed the court with officious National Socialist Christians before the midterm elections. Suddenly, a divine REVELATION occurred in 19A, and suddenly things became more nuanced than just the public stoning of disobedient Jezebels. When the JOBS of the FOOLs are at stake, things get a little more complicated, don’t they?”

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                Still crazy, but at least readable.

              2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

                Here's what I got when I translated it to Bambara (a West African language) and back:

                "It's a WOOPSIE. The Libertarian ROE decision was the work of Satan when Don filled the courtroom with Christian National Socialist officials before the midterm elections. Suddenly there was a 19A REVELATION of the gods and the powerful elements of alluva are more nuanced than the simple public stoning of disobedient Jezebels. When JOBS for he DICKS is in jeopardy, things get a little complicated, eh?"

      3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Less killing will be a terrible thing alright.

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          What part of Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction has to do with ‘killing’ anything??? This is the dumbest part; Where’s Pro-Life’s “can’t kill” legislation.

          How F’En hard is it to legislate a medical procedure can’t stab the fetus and be done???????????????????

          Oh; let me guess.... It's the $cience???
          Nothing brings up more Leftard trash than 'abortion'.

          1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

            A medically induced abortion is the killing of one or more individual human organisms. By definition. That is an unavoidable fact. The question is, in what circumstances is such killing ever just? You are a radical pro-abortion extremist who would prefer to abanfon the idea of universal human rights (as anti-libertarian a notion as I can think of) than concede there are circumstances where abortion is an unjust killing.

            1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

              So Fetal Ejection =/= Abortion.
              Can I get that in legal-writing please?
              That *IS* exactly what I’ve been saying all along.

              The “abortion is an unjust killing” stance was killed when it went pre-viable...
              i.e. There is NO *inherent* life to ?kill?/Take.

              1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

                Write in English. Your bizarre personal pidgin can be inscrutable.

                1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                  My English isn't the problem.
                  You opening up your mind beyond your own *beliefs* is the problem.

              2. DesigNate   8 months ago

                Fetal ejection is a number of years away from being any kind of reality. Assuming you're talking about removing the fetus (at whatever stage of development it might be in) and placing it in another human or an artificial womb.

                1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

                  Maybe the reality is; there’s nothing there to ‘save’.
                  Oh let me guess; Use Gov-Guns and FORCE Women to make something to ‘save’.

                  Pro-Life is literally enslaving people, destroying Individual Rights and the US Constitution on their own bigoted ‘wishful’ religious thinking.

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Fuck off, lying cunt.

      5. Nobartium   8 months ago

        Assume true:

        Will you be in favor of repealing the 14th?

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I wouldn't call him pro-abortion so much as he's become agnostic on the issue.

    5. TJJ2000   8 months ago

      Trump elected justices that gave Democrats EXACTLY what they asked for; good and hard.

      'democracy' gets to decide.

      As a US patriot (believer in the US Constitution ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all) I find it completely despicable that 'democracy' gets to come between a person and their own body.

      The Dobbs ruling was literally a Democrats flagship.
      As well as Pro-Life origins being in Catholic Democrats.

  11. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    "No one can say for sure whether Barnica would have survived had doctors at the hospital done things differently. "

    Yes they can. Had they just done their job per the standard of care, she would be alive. That standard would include either monitoring her inpatient, doing a D/C straight up to be sure, or having some kind of close follow up or instruction to go to the ER immediately if you are getting sick.

    She, like the GA woman, would have been alive and well if the providers gave adequate and standard care.

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      And hospitals have big legal staffs to sort this shit out. I find it hard to believe that there was any ambiguity in reality about what the doctors should have done to care for the woman.

      1. Overt   8 months ago

        When we faced the choice to issue a "do not resuscitate" for my father, the family sat in a room for 15 minutes with the staff. They had a checklist of what needed to be legally considered, and we went through it.

        If a hospital does not have a similar set of documents, they are not doing their job.

        That said, I understand that there is ambiguity since this legislation is quite new. But let's not kid ourselves here. The hospitals are moving slow because the ambiguity helps them in cases of malpractice and ideological points.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          The hospitals are moving slow because the ambiguity helps them in cases of malpractice and ideological points.

          Exactly this. Doctors kill hundreds of thousands of people a year through medical errors. They have lawyers and a lot of money on hand to deal with the most mundane legal shit for exactly this purpose. Any statements from them that "we're scared to act due to the ambiguity of the law" has no credibility whatsoever.

      2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        Not here in Canada. All it takes is a sore throat and you're off to the mortuary.

    2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Riiiight. The meddling mystical bigots with guns and badges had NOTHING TO DO with the fugitive slave dying.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        To quote Donald Trump, "I really don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don’t think he knows what he said either.”

      2. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        Purple windspeed potato astronaut.

        1. R Mac   8 months ago

          If I don’t get a Comstock reference by the end of the day I’m going to be PISSED!

          1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

            Seconded.

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

            I’ll add my spoiler vote to that request.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

          Needs more apostrophes.

      3. TJJ2000   8 months ago

        paraphrased ...
        Riiiiight. The Pro-Life bigots packing Gov-Guns had NOTHING TO DO with the Woman-Womb slave dying.

        Exactly +1000000000.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          You are correct. The law nor the movement had any responsibility in the woman dying.

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    It is ironic ENB owns the roundup the day after liberal feminist Naomi Wolf icon appeared on Bannons show to endorse Trump.

    Brian O'Shea
    @BrianOSheaSPI
    It's official, my wife,
    @naomirwolf
    , former campaign advisor to
    @algore
    , former life long Democrat until 2021, the former symbol of the so-called "3rd-wave" feminist movement, former "darling" of the Left, now current gun owner, current spouse to a disabled veteran, Pfizer's and
    @HHSGov
    's nightmare (and possibly the unintended cause of
    @maddow
    's future annurism), and non-fiction author with 8 books as
    @nytimes
    bestsellers (who is looking especially beautiful tonight ...like she does every day and night) has...wait for it...:

    Officially endorsed
    @realDonaldTrump
    !

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Far-Right Republican Candidate
      Former DNC Chair Tulsi Gabbard
      Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
      Glenn Greenwald
      Naomi Wolf

      Compassionate Liberal Candidate
      Former Republican Vice President Dick Cheney
      Alberto Gonzales
      Bill Kristol
      Mitt Romney

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Which one does the giant white rabbit support?

        1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

          Jimmy Stewart?

      2. R Mac   8 months ago

        I think many of us saw some sort of realignment coming. I know I didn’t expect it to occur so quickly and completely though.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          I think it passed a bit under the radar for years. The realignment probably started in 2008 with the TEA Party and Obama's takeover of the DNC. It accelerated after Romney went down in defeat to Obama in 2012. Then things heated up with Trump versus Hillary in 2016. Covid broke a lot of things open in 2020 to allow the final pieces of the realignment to fall into place. Looking back, it's been in process for about 16 years.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            That's usually how these things work. It takes time and several election cycles--it's how a lot of progressive Republicans ended up becoming Democrats. The process really started in the late 1890s with the split of the Silver Republicans, but didn't fully accelerate until TR's Bull Moose run in 1912 split the GOP ticket and put Wilson in office.

            For this one, TARP and the rise of the Tea Party was the main catalyst, but it really started with the GOP getting trounced in 2006 after the Iraq debacle and just built from there. However, I think if McCain had actually not been a retard and "suspended" his campaign, and had gone into the TARP hearings stating that "these fuckers all need to be put in prison for securities fraud, and there's no way in hell I'm voting for this bullshit," he might have actually outflanked Obama, squeaked into the Oval Office, and held off the revolt for a little while longer. But McCain, for all the "maverick" bullshit the media liked to cloak him with, was always a middle manager for the Regime.

            1. Dillinger   8 months ago

              >>TARP

              immediate visceral reaction.

        2. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

          Do you think it's complete? I think we're about mid way.

          1. R Mac   8 months ago

            I hope not. I’m cautiously optimistic that Republicans will continue moving in a libertarian direction.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      the day after liberal feminist Naomi Wolf icon appeared on Bannons show to endorse Trump.

      Apparently the tech marxists started fucking with her phone and wifi, and remotely accessed her computer as an intimidation effort after that happened.

  13. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    On Wednesday, "Cuomo's legal team filed a referral letter to the Justice Department requesting they investigate an alleged abuse of power by the select committee, with a particular focus on Wenstrup, whom they claim to be in cahoots with a Fox News personality and her husband, who is part of a separate Covid-related lawsuit against the former governor," reports CNN.

    This is odd literally the day after an article asking why Bannon didn't change his views after being jailed for contempt and the rag applauding the J6 Committee.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      It's almost like the writes at reason have the only consistent view of "America and orange man bad, goverment good when coercing people, but bad when stopping crime or preventing people getting high"

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Don't forget open borders.

    2. Overt   8 months ago

      They didn't appear because ENB doesn't know about them. ENB doesn't know about them because she has spent the last decade carefully crafting her news feeds and twitter roll to curate the bubble she knows she deserves and thinks the rest of us actually care about. That's why the most obscure dem talking point will get her comment, and major developments that dems don't want to talk about go completely unremarked.

  14. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Note that despite the protestations of "dangerous products" and "health and safety dangers posed by illegal operators" from Mayor's office, et al., this is 100% about taxes not being paid and 0% about "safety".

    Weed sold with permission, kickbacks, and taxes collected is "safe", but the exact same weed sold under the counter in a bodega is "dangerous".

    1. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      This is interesting. Since the Comstock era China has wanted Uncle Sam to ban Opium, and Comstockists wanted an excuse to ban cocaine. After the 3rd opium war League of Nations dope dealers maneuvered for a ban on harmless hemp so they could sell more addictive opiates. Our economic troubles began right after officious Comstock laws, and none of these prohibition laws existed when the US was at peace and prosperous in 1903. Republicans want fanatics and foreigners to legislate the USA to death.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        What is exactly is your fixation on the "Comstockists"? You know that those laws went by the wayside a very long time ago, right?

        1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          "A very long time ago" is the present in Hank's dementia-addled brain.

      2. R Mac   8 months ago

        There it is. Thanks Hank!

      3. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        Comstock!

      4. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        COMSTOCK!
        Party like it's 1855.

  15. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    Don't do it Japan. If you let the fags get married they turn around and start destroying society by using lawfare against those that disagree with their lifestyle, going after kids, and demanding that all follow their corrupt disgusting religion.

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      They need to be warned about the srippery srope.

      1. shadydave   8 months ago

        *slow clap*

      2. R Mac   8 months ago

        Ha

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

      If two women get married, can either file for a divorce?

      Not sure if it's changed, but women cannot ask for a divorce in Japan. Only men.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        That changed in the 70s.

        They still don't have a strong concept of dual custody though. The child goes with one parent and there's a chance that the other will never see the kid again.

    3. TJJ2000   8 months ago

      There is no *inherent* right to a government status symbol.

  16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    A Texas woman who died of an infection following a miscarriage could have been saved if doctors weren't so worried about running afoul of the state's abortion ban, suggests ProPublica.

    So activists doctors intentionally misinterpreting the law to cause death is the laws fault.

    There was an X post just a few weeks back from a Texas OBGYN explaining how many ectopic pregnancies she has worked on since the law was passed without fear.

    This is false fear mongering by the left and activist doctors.

    1. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

      They refused to perform an abortion while the fetus was still alive. How is that anything else other than fallowing the law?

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        "They refused to perform an abortion while the fetus was still alive."

        And that isnt what killed the lady

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          There is plenty enough evidence to say that *is* was killed the womb-slave and you know it….

          Pro-Life ……… MORE Gov-Guns needed till they get it right…
          Why does Pro-Life sound JUST-LIKE Leftards.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Lying cunt.

      3. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        while the fetus was still alive

        Most abortion enjoyers don't like to admit that part, but not "Molly".

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          Molly didn't kill it. The womb-slave did..
          I guess the outcome was just natural justice??? /s

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            Fuck off, you murder simp. They made their choice. They're not sLaVeS.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        They refused to perform an abortion while the fetus was still alive.

        Oh, so it’s a living being now and not just a clump of cells? You people really need to make up your fucking minds.

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          It's just throwing YOUR stance right back in YOUR face.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            It's not throwing anything, doofy. For a brief moment, the shitlib forgot the "clump of cells" narrative and asserted that the fetus was a living being in order to ironically bitch about a law that restricted abortion.

            1. R Mac   8 months ago

              I’m picturing so much spittle on his keyboard.

      5. R Mac   8 months ago

        Fuck off shrike.

    2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

      i.e. MORE Gov-Guns against those "activist doctors" till they get it right!!! /s

  17. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Biden really does think Trump voters are ‘garbage’

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/10/30/biden-really-does-think-trump-voters-are-garbage/

    Clearly, the Democrats have learnt nothing from 2016. Given that almost half of American voters are considering voting for Trump next week, labelling them ‘garbage’ is not exactly a smart move. Then again, the Democratic elites have never tried to make a secret of their disdain for blue-collar people. Over the past few months, they have been busy trying to paint anyone remotely Trump-curious as literally a Nazi. This ludicrous and historically illiterate campaign came to a head last weekend, when Harris’s VP pick, Tim Walz, explicitly compared Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally to a pro-Hitler rally that was held in the same venue in the 1930s.

    At this point, there’s no hiding the Dems’ contempt for Trump supporters. They have nothing in common with the largely working-class, non-college-educated Americans who care more about the economy, immigration and violent crime than they do climate change, defunding the police or ‘trans rights’. Joe Biden’s ‘garbage’ gaffe has simply made this anti-democratic snobbery plain for all to see.

    1. MollyGodiva   8 months ago

      1. Biden was calling the comedian "garbage", not all Trump supporters.
      2. All Trump supporters are garbage. You have to be if you vote for a racist rapist felon liar fraudster traitor.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

        1 it didn't happen
        2 it would be good if it did happen

        Wow you did the meme in real time!

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          they are really cutting to the chase nowadays and getting rid of the time and steps in between the inevitable Orwellian turn arounds

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Lying cunt.

      3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Wow. That was funny.

      4. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

        Of course he did.

        You can hear it for yourself. But I see you want to jump but there was an apostrophe excuse. Unless he was reading off a teleprompter there is no proof of one.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          The Kamala team already pivoted, and honestly probably in a smart way, all but confirming the media is already giving up on the gaslighting on the " 's "

          Probably realizing no one is buying that shit, they pivoted to "Kamala is for everyone" lingo, both disavowing what he said AND putting daylight between her and Biden.

          Honestly a smart move on her part, even though you know she cant wait until the election is over so she can go back to calling them backward racist traitors to America

      5. R Mac   8 months ago

        Fuck off shrike.

      6. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        The people over in England who wrote this don't think there was an apostrophe, but thanks for proving the point.

      7. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        "...You have to be if you vote for a racist rapist felon liar fraudster traitor..."

        You have to be a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit to lie like this.

      8. DesigNate   8 months ago

        When did Kamala get convicted of rape?

        Cause neither Chase Oliver nor Donald Trump have been convicted of it.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Why would you quote a libritarian site at reason? You know they don't stand for that garbage!

    3. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Chumps maybe, suckers certainly, but goibidge is too strong a term to employ before all the facts are in.

      1. MT-Man   8 months ago

        What is goibidge?

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          Hanks gibberish is restrained by the confines the English language so he occasionally has to invent new words to make his point.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Trump make a classic jab at Biden's gaffe...shows up to rally in Wisc. in a garbage truck.

      https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1851755250589528350

      President Trump in Wisconsin: "How do you like my garbage truck? This truck is in honor of Kamala and Joe Biden."

  18. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-poised-to-crash-through-regulations-records/ar-AA1tdLtI

    President Joe Biden and his huge team of federal regulators are on a pathway to breaking the record for economy-choking red tape.

    As of Wednesday, his team that has been focused on eliminating American standards from gas stoves to hamburgers, has published 86,712 pages in the Federal Register, the third-highest annual count of all time.

    And with two months to go this year, his administration is poised to pass 104,000 pages, breaking the record of his mentor, former President Barack Obama at 95,894.

    Regulations under the Biden-Harris administration have become so burdensome and costly that JPMorgan Chase Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon this week called on corporate America to fight back. Many took his signal as a call to vote against Vice President Kamala Harris, who has pushed Biden’s regulatory agenda.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago
    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Tariffs!!!!!!!!! - sarc

    3. Chupacabra   8 months ago

      Sorry, the only thing that matters to the US economy is tariffs.

    4. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      but... Muh Aborshuns!!!

  19. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    Oldie but a goodie, and a reminder for after election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYB6N8fBKQ

    24 STRAIGHT MINUTES of Democrats denying election results

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      If Trump miraculously manages to get past the fraud factor and evades getting killed by the FBI or CIA in the next two weeks, watch "election denying" suddenly become okay again.

  20. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    A note to reason readers, despite all of the stories about rioting and looting in LA, not a single father's day card was stolen

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      And never in the history of race riots has a pair of work boots been stolen.

  21. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

    Other Liz off for Halloween?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      She's in Texas according to her X feed.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        I have it on strong authority the internets work here in Texas.

  22. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

    The Washington Post talks to pro-choice women who aren't buying Democrats' claims about what a second Trump presidency would mean for legal abortion

    One of the biggest laugher political ads I've seen this cycle has been one that included Cocaine Mitch as a "MAGA Republican."

    1. shadydave   8 months ago

      If Trump wins, the party is going to eventually have a real problem with this Frankenstein of a coalition. For the time being they are united (as I am) in their opposition to the gross amount of overreach from the Democratic Party in the last 15 years.

      But without that, there's a lot of people in this coalition who don't agree on much. I suppose that just tends to happen with populism. Cocaine Mitch's political career is just about over, but there's plenty of others with similar sorts of outlooks. I mean Ted Cruz and RFk Jr. are almost nothing alike.

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        Ted Cruz is remarkably flexible, RFK Jr. less so.

      2. Dillinger   8 months ago

        >>I mean Ted Cruz and RFk Jr. are almost nothing alike.

        hopefully everyone now equally anti Rulers.

        1. shadydave   8 months ago

          But there's a decent chance there will be a Republican president and control of both houses of congress. Now what?

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            Step 3: Profit!

            honestly I just want the communists removed from the throne and then I guess we can return to fuck you cut spending.

          2. MK Ultra   8 months ago

            Give the Democrats what they've been pushing so hard for - elimination of the filibuster and packing the Court.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        But without that, there’s a lot of people in this coalition who don’t agree on much.

        That's the case with any political coalition, though. It holds together as long as their interests are mostly aligned against the other team. Even Reagan admitted that his coalition was really a "three-legged stool" of factions that were mostly focused on their own policies and didn't really trust each other all that much. Look how the various factions on the left fall to in-fighting when they don't have a Goldstein figure to focus on, or are running their own purity spirals.

        When a mass realignment like this happens, it's something that goes on for decades. So I wouldn't bet on it showing cracks for at least the next 10-15 years.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          To put a finer point on it, the Reagan coalition was almost completely dominated by the foreign interventionist leg for most of its existence. The fiscal conservative leg only occasionally was successful in implementing their policies, and the social conservative leg was given lip service but had no real political power or influence outside of window dressing to keep the stool intact. it was mainly a revolt of the latter against the foreign interventionists that caused the stool to finally fall apart.

          That revolt is why the interventionists are aligned with the Democrats now. The fiscal conservatives are still largely aligned with the GOP only because they would never be welcomed into the Democrats other than as cat’s paw votes, and would never vote for Democrat economic programs. But that faction is going to be rather marginal in this realignment because the debate is going to center on how to run a government that works (see the federal Hurricane Helene response, or DeSantis’s overall management of Florida), not how much should be cut, unless it’s over cultural offices and Deep State bureaus. There’s not going to be a Milei coming out of this realignment--the closest politician we have to that is Rand Paul, and I don't see him becoming more of a national figure unless Trump taps him for Secretary of HHS or Homeland Security.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          +1

      4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        True, it looks like a Frankenstein's monster (Frankenstein was the scientist) of a coalition, but the outliers right now seem to be the GOPe leftover within the party such as Graham and McConnell. Fortunately, it looks like they may be gone soon (due to age). I suspect you'll see some shaking out after Trump's term in office (should Trump win), but I sincerely doubt any of them will want to go back to the Democrats. The Dems have pissed off a lot of people who now want nothing to do with them.

        As for the Dems, they'll be a smaller party after this election as it is suspected that they will have an intra-party civil war between the establishment and the wokes. I think the wokes will probably take over the party in spite of them being the reason the Dems are going down. They seem to have both youth and a willingness to fight on their side.

        What may happen from a shakeout of the GOP and associated people after the election and after Trump's term is that you may see the rise of a new party that may replace the Democrats while the Democrats themselves spin off into oblivion. Regardless of what happens, the future will probably be far less globohomo than what the Demcratic elite and GOPe want.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          As for the Dems, they’ll be a smaller party after this election as it is suspected that they will have an intra-party civil war between the establishment and the wokes.

          Honestly, I think this particular coalition is here to stay for a while, although I do agree that the wokies are going to push the establishment Dems with their tard-raging for culture war marxism. The ex-GOP interventionists don’t give two shits about social issues, just as long as their party is fomenting overseas wars and importing the entire Third World to the west. The one wild card here is if the trend keeps holding of younger men, regardless of skin color, growing increasingly GOP while younger women across races grow increasingly leftist.

      5. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

        Note to foreign readers: When a 'murrican national socialist claims that "a lot of people" believe (insert idiotic lie or superstition), what that means is that the speaker or scribbler believes that nonsense. Enlisting nonexistent abettors is a statement about mental problems, not about the facts of reality.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          When a ‘murrican national socialist claims that “a lot of people” believe (insert idiotic lie or superstition),

          Funny that no one actually said that, you baked moron. Quit tranq posting.

      6. mamabug   8 months ago

        Yes, but in a 2-party system that is always true. Both parties are made up of coalitions and what typically happens is, once one becomes the party representing those currently in power, those not represented by that core group start dropping off and wind up on the other side. Eventually, that side grows big enough to take over and then the process repeats.

        If you look at the folks peeling off the DNC, most of them are those whose interests don't align with what is now the defacto party of the military-industrial complex, big pharma, big tech, MSM, and the college educated.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Mine is a MD ad, stating Larry Hogan is Trump's guy because they are both against abortion.

  23. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Liz Garcia, a spokesperson for Mayor Eric Adams

    somebody get this woman some gummies for Halloween.

  24. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>A Texas woman who died of an infection following a miscarriage could have been saved if doctors weren't so worried about running afoul of the state's abortion ban, suggests ProPublica.

    I'm very sorry, but died of an infection. The rest of that assumption is ludicrous.

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      Also, WTF does Pro Publica know and why should we care what they suggest?

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        I mean ... I don't care what they suggest ... idk about everyone else

  25. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Democrats only know how to raise taxes, and don't understand that people can move away from your tax regime...

    Millionaire Tax Vote Opens Door to New Clash Over Chicago Wealth

    (Bloomberg) -- When Illinois Governor JB Pritzker sought to boost the state income tax on the rich at the height of the pandemic, Ken Griffin used his fortune to torpedo the initiative.

    The billionaire financier still quit the state for Florida two years later. Now, a handful of Illinois politicians are once again eyeing a new tax on the highest earners – a move that risks alienating the state’s wealthiest residents, including in cash-strapped Chicago.

    Next week, Illinois voters will weigh in on a proposed extra levy of 3% on annual incomes of more than $1 million, with the proceeds going to ease property taxes. The ballot measure is nonbinding, but approval would potentially open the door to a new debate after the failure of Pritzker’s 2020 plan, which called for raising state income tax rates on higher earners.

    “This time around we don’t have Ken Griffin to protect us anymore,” said Dan Rahill, a wealth strategist at Chicago-based Wintrust Wealth Management, predicting that higher taxes would prompt more Illinois residents to consider establishing residency in nearby Wisconsin or Indiana. Or Florida.

    The latest tax vote will unfold amid a tumultuous budget season in Chicago, where Mayor Brandon Johnson is feuding with the city council and the public-school system over yawning fiscal shortfalls. Johnson proposed a $300 million property-tax hike this week, breaking a campaign promise, saying the increase was needed to close the city’s budget deficit of almost $1 billion.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Democrats only know how to raise taxes...

      California voters consider controversial vacation homes tax in iconic Lake Tahoe area

      SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, Calif. (AP) — Owners of vacation homes in Northern California's South Lake Tahoe could face a significant tax increase if voters in the mountain resort town approve a measure on Tuesday’s ballot that pits affordable housing against private property rights.

      South Lake Tahoe, which sits on the shores of the iconic alpine lake, has about 7,000 vacant homes — 44% of the city’s estimated housing units — according to the 2022 American Community Survey. Measure N would levy a flat $3,000 tax on homes that are vacant 182 days within a calendar year.

      The tax would increase to $6,000 for every subsequent year the home remains empty for half the year.

      Supporters of the measure say they want to encourage homeowners to rent to workers or pay into a fund for housing, roads and transportation projects.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Democrats only know how to raise taxes, and don’t understand that people can move away from your tax regime…

      Mayor Brandon Johnson seeks $300 million property tax hike in 2025 budget

      CHICAGO — Mayor Brandon Johnson on Wednesday will propose Chicago’s largest property tax hike in almost a decade as part of his $17.3 billion budget plan for next year.

      The $300 million increase that would hit Chicago homeowners, landlords and other property owners is a major flip-flop from Johnson’s campaign vow not to employ the widely unpopular, and often politically toxic, revenue-raising tactic. It is also one his team justified as necessary in order to balance a projected $982.4 million shortfall in 2025, along with sweeping tax increment financing funds and eliminating hundreds of vacant positions across city government. More than half of those will come from the Chicago Police Department.

      In unveiling his second budget proposal as mayor, Johnson acknowledged his earlier red line against raising property taxes, but blamed his predecessors for the city’s financial predicament and said the primary alternative — layoffs — would be devastating to the city’s workforce.

      “Look, this a very difficult decision, but to be quite frank with you … we’ve just have had irresponsible administration after administration that has kicked the can down the road, and now it’s in front of my door,” Johnson said about his backtrack when talking to reporters Tuesday about the tax hike. “This was a very excruciating process, but it’s one that I recognize in this moment that the alternative is just not acceptable.”

      Asked how much the hike will raise the bill for an average Chicago homeowner — a data point mayors have commonly provided to show the impact of property tax increases — Johnson spokesperson Erin Connelly did not provide a dollar figure because “the number may go up or down” depending on ongoing assessments. She did say, however, that property owners will see about an average 4% increase on their bills, per 2023 values.

  26. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>The GOP-led House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic is expected this morning to send a letter to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland recommending criminal charges against Cuomo for allegedly lying to Congress about COVID-19 deaths.

    Liars recommend to liar charges against a liar for lying to the liars.

  27. Small w woodchippertarian   8 months ago

    Why did it take me this long to realize that Tampon Tim's campaign slogan should be, "White, uptight, and outta sight!"?

  28. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>A new analysis from the Brennan Center for Justice "makes it clear 'progressive' prosecution policies neither hamstring police nor embolden criminals," reports Techdirt's Tim Cushing.

    is the Brennan Center for Justice wrong for being full of baloney or is Cushing wrong for repeating it?

  29. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

    Due process in Biden's Union of Soviet Socialist Slaves of Amerika?
    Say it ain't so, Joe.
    Say it ain't so!

  30. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

    Do let this gang of cretins keep attacking and bullying pregnant women and smearing the other half of the kleptocracy. They pretend to ignore the Libertarian candidate because they know the libertarian candidate decided the election in 2016. Listen to what the looters say about each other. It makes voting for our pro-choice Libertarian that much more fun.

    1. Dillinger   8 months ago

      liberty dies in the womb.

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      the libertarian candidate decided the election in 2016

      I understand that I'm responding to a goldfish here, but is there any evidence for this?

    3. R Mac   8 months ago

      Hank, didn’t you hear? Chase is gay, no one is going to vote for him.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        What? No way!

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          That's what Sarc says!

          1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

            Well if Sarc says it, it must be true...

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

      I don't think they're pretending to ignore him.

  31. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

    “To the 27-year-old mother from Arizona’s San Tan Valley, the issue was personal: An abortion probably saved her life after she was diagnosed a few years ago with an ectopic pregnancy”

    What kind of idiocy is this? An ectopic pregnancy is not a baby, and ending it is not an abortion

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      They are still trotting out the ectopic pregnancy lie. AOC and the other brainless shitlibs were all over that, and despite the fact that it isnt grounded in reality and not a single person has died from the law preventing their ectopic removal, this still comes back like a zombie

      1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

        "They are still trotting out the ectopic pregnancy lie."

        See TJJ2002202 and any Shillsy post.

    2. Zeb   8 months ago

      It is still a genetically distinct member of the human species, which some people argue is sufficient reason to ban abortion.

      But it is certainly idiocy. I don't think I have encountered anyone who argues that non-viable pregnancies that pose serious risks to the mother can't be terminated.

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