Trump's Destructive Tariff Proposals Will Make Us All Poorer
The candidate’s protectionism offsets some otherwise positive tax ideas.

Former president and current Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump wants to extend the tax cuts passed when he was in the White House, which are due to expire next year. That would not just be welcomed by the many Americans who would benefit, it could boost economic activity. But there's a big problem: The protectionist tariffs favored by Trump would undo the good done by his tax cuts, reducing rather than increasing prosperity.
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Tariffs Not Seen Since the Great Depression
"Former President Donald Trump's proposals to impose a universal tariff of 20 percent and an additional tariff on Chinese imports of at least 60 percent would spike the average tariff rate on all imports to highs not seen since the Great Depression," warns Erica York of the Tax Foundation.
Trump has actually been a little vague on the size of his universal tariff, first floating it at 10 percent while allowing "it may be more than that," and then upping the ante to 20 percent. Either way, it's a cost that ends up being largely paid by Americans in terms of higher retail prices and more expensive imported parts and materials for domestic manufacturing.
The Trump administration's 2018 "tariffs resulted in higher prices for a wide variety of goods that U.S. consumers and businesses purchase," the Tax Foundation's Alex Durante and Alex Muresianu concluded.
Even when tariffs don't directly affect the cost of imported goods purchased by consumers, they still drive up the prices of many things made in the U.S. The Cato Institute's Pierre Lemieux points out that "a tariff on an input (say, steel) is paid by the American importer who will typically pass it down the supply chain to his customers and eventually to the consumers of the final good (say, a car)." Instead of boosting domestic production, that can do harm, instead.
"For manufacturing employment, a small boost from the import protection effect of tariffs is more than offset by larger drags from the effects of rising input costs and retaliatory tariffs," Federal Reserve Board economists found when they researched the 2018 tariffs.
That's not to say Trump is alone in his protectionism. Last month, Bob Davis noted for Foreign Policy that "the Biden administration is the first since at least President John F. Kennedy's time to fail to negotiate a major free trade deal, instead embracing tariffs" while Trump pursued both tariffs and trade deals.
In 2022, Cato economist Lemieux called Biden administration protectionist trade policies "Trumpism with a human face," indicating more continuity than verbal sparring suggests in some policies of the two administrations—and potentially a Kamala Harris administration, given her role as Biden's vice president. That said, while Biden and Harris embraced stiff tariffs against China, Harris's team rejected the idea of a universal tariff on all imports.
A Major Flaw in an Otherwise Decent Tax Plan
What makes the situation that much more unfortunate, though, is that aside from tariffs, Trump's tax policies offer significant relief to Americans and a potential boost to economic activity. A keystone of his tax proposals involves extending the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) that gave most Americans a little relief from the federal government's appetite. The tax cuts are set to expire in 2025 and continuing them could be a boon to the economy.
A September Tax Foundation analysis of Trump's tax proposals estimated "the major tax changes proposed by Trump would increase long-run GDP by about 1.5 percent (excluding the two new proposals to uncap SALT and exempt overtime)," with TCJA extension the most important component, followed by lowering the corporate tax rate and exempting Social Security and tips from taxes.
But, the analysis added, "Trump's proposed tariffs threaten to offset the economic benefits of his proposed tax policy changes….The proposed tariffs of 60 percent on China and an additional 10 percent on all imports would reduce long-run GDP by nearly 0.8 percent. Further lifting the 10 percent tariff to 20 percent would take the combined economic effect of the tariff proposals to a 1.3 percent drop in long-run output."
Foreign retaliation in terms of tariffs on American goods, York emphasized, would further reduce GDP.
Risking Another Collapse in Global Trade
That fear of foreign retaliation is behind the Tax Foundation's warning that Trump's plans would "spike the average tariff rate on all imports to highs not seen since the Great Depression." As York points out for the Tax Foundation, the 1930 Hawley-Smoot tariffs sent the average tariff rate to "highs of 59.1 percent on tariffed goods and 19.8 percent on all imported goods during the Great Depression" and resulted in a "collapse in global trade."
What do we mean by collapse?
A 2021 paper by Kris James Mitchener of Santa Clara University, Kirsten Wandschneider of the University of Vienna, and Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke of New York University-Abu Dhabi, found "the passage of Smoot-Hawley led to direct retaliation by important U.S. trade partners" who imposed their own tariffs on U.S. goods. While global commerce took a general hit during the Great Depression, retaliation put a much bigger dent in the U.S. economy, as "countries that responded to Smoot-Hawley with retaliatory tariffs reduced their imports from the U.S. by an average of 28-33 percent."
With Trump proposing 60 percent tariffs on Chinese goods and universal tariffs up to 20 percent, we're in Hawley-Smoot territory, and risk another trade war. That means higher prices for American consumers, stiffer costs for American businesses, and retaliation that could, again, torpedo international trade.
That's not how you build prosperity.
To be clear, neither the Trump nor Harris campaigns offer serious proposals for addressing rising deficits and the growing federal debt. Discussing that looming disaster is out of fashion with the current crop of American politicians. Chances are that it will remain so until ignoring the issue is no longer an option.
But in terms of growing the economy we have, letting private enterprise create jobs, and increasing wages and prosperity, Trump's tax plan is the better of the two on offer from the major presidential campaigns. That is, it's better if (a major caveat) we take his destructive tariff schemes off the table. Cutting taxes can build wealth. Raising protectionist barriers, on the other hand, will not just make Americans poorer, it could spark a new trade war that will impoverish people here at home and around the world.
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Tuccille, if I am understanding what Pres Trump is proposing, relocating manufacturing to the US will get you a 'get out of tariff jail free' card. So there is a way for a country's manufacturer to avoid tariffs altogether. Ultimately, relocating manufacturing to the US creates more jobs, and helps the environment by using more environmentally friendly processes (here in the US) by federal regulation.
Manufacturing in China and India is very unfriendly to the environment. They pollute way more than US.
There are also other reasons - financial, diplomatic, political, national security - that a POTUS might choose to levy (or not) a tariff, not just pure economic. This is totally lost in your post.
Trump's motives are GREAT, so therefor, we must ignore ALL of the bad side effects of Him shitting and pissing all over free trade, prosperity, economic efficiency, and the free-market choices of willing buyers and sellers! MOTIVES matter; individual freedom does SNOT!
YOU are the one "ignoring ALL" the good side effect of his Domestic Tax-Cuts which promote "free trade, prosperity, economic efficiency, and the free-market choices of willing buyers and sellers".
Self-Projection 101.
https://reason.com/2020/01/22/trump-campaigned-on-saving-factory-jobs-but-u-s-manufacturing-just-went-through-a-year-long-recession/
Clear-cut case below, showing the UTTER FAILURE of protectionism in general, and Trumpist protectionism specifically:
Meanwhile in the real world…
https://reason.com/2019/04/22/trumps-washing-machine-tariffs-cleaned-out-consumers/
Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Cleaned Out Consumers
A new report finds the tariffs raised $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion.
PROTECTIONISM DOESN’T WORK!!! DUH!!!
Protect American washing-machine makers from Chinese competition? The FIRST thing that American washing-machine makers do, is jack UP their prices… AND the prices of dryers to boot, too! To SOAK the hell out of all of us consumers!!!
From the above-linked Reason article about washing machines…
“All told, those tariffs raised about $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion during 2018 … (deleted). Although the trade policy did cause some manufacturers to shift production from overseas to the United States in an effort to avoid the new tariffs, the 1,800 jobs created by Trump’s washing machine tariffs cost consumers an estimated $820,000 per job.”
Summary: Nickels and dimes to the USA treasury; boatloads of pain for consumers. USA jobs created? Yes, at GREAT expense! Putting these 1.8 K workers on a super-generous welfare program would have been WAY better for all the rest of us! Plus, you know the WORKERS don’t make super-huge bucks (no $820,000 per job for THEM); the goodies flow to the EXECUTIVES at the top of the washing-machine companies! The same ones who play golf with The Donald, and join him for gang-banging Spermy Daniels! Essentially at our expense!
See... You willfully played 100% IGNORANT to what I just said.
Even when it was pointed out right in your face.
Look at how well that Foxconn deal turned out, with all the subsidies a crony capitalist could want.
You want manufacturing, get rid of the energy, environmental, and labor regulations that pushed them off shore. And cut taxes. Basically get the fuck out of the way instead of erecting new barriers.
The vast gulf between labor costs here and abroad are what makes importation cheaper, not regulation. China, which is no longer a cost-effective place to manufacture because their standard of living (and hence labor cost) has grown over the last four decades or so, still has a labor cost that is 10x cheaper than in the US. The separation is even larger for India or Indonesia or Vietnam. Eliminating every single regulation wouldn't come close to closing that gap.
"And cut taxes."
Which ones? If you mean corporate taxes, that has never worked to increase worker pay, add workers to the payroll, or increase domestic manufacturing. It has been an excellent way to increase shareholder wealth through stock buybacks and higher profit margins, which helps the investor class, but doesn't do shit for the average worker.
Cutting middle-class taxes would work better, but that's not what Trump wants to do.
Global trade works because focusing on producing the products that your country makes most efficiently and importing the things that other countries make more efficiently is the cheapest way to run an economy.
"Basically get the fuck out of the way instead of erecting new barriers."
Like tariffs, you mean?
relocating manufacturing to the US will get you a ‘get out of tariff jail free’ card.
Well, if they’re relocating the manufacturing and procuring all the parts and raw materials from within the US…
This will still drive up prices for the consumer right after record inflation. It is a state imposed wealth transfer from the consumer to the manufacturer with the statist goal to benefit the nation at the expense of the individual (the cost is both monetary and freedom).
How about reducing domestic regulatory coats which dwarf tariffs? Why offshore everything through regulatory based cost savings. Labor is a small cost to production. Regulations imposed domestically are far greater. Why is the solution to make things more expensive here and then cheer loss of manufacturing?
How about reducing domestic regulatory costs
We should. Why not both?
Labor is a small cost to production
Yeah, if it's done in China, it is.
"How about reducing domestic regulatory coats which dwarf tariffs?"
The cost of regulations is dwarfed by the difference in the cost of labor in America.
There is a simple concept that all companies use to determine cost-effectiveness. It's called landed cost. That is the cost (per unit) to produce an item and bring it to market. It includes all costs associated with bringing that item to America (taxes, tariffs, shipping costs, etc.).
For almost every commodity consumer product, removing every regulation would still leave the American-made product (which virtually always incorporates foreign-made parts) more expensive. It's only high-skill products and services that we can produce as cheaply as elsewhere because the labor costs are similar. Low-skill labor will always cost less elsewhere. A lot less. No, a.*whole* lot less.
"Labor is a small cost to production."
Over the many years of reading stupid things you have said, that is without a doubt the stupidest. Labor is the single biggest expense item of almost every company. The wage for a manufacturing job in Beijing (the most expensive region in China, just to make it as advantageous to you as possible) was $3.54/hour in 2023. In America, it was $34.50. And China is expensive these days because they are more prosperous. Indonesia, Vietnam, and India provide much cheaper labor (1/3 or less) with established shipping routes that make importing cost-effective.
I did this for a couple decades. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You probably think shifting production from one country to another is an easy thing that can happen quickly. You're that ignorant.
"Regulations imposed domestically are far greater."
No, they aren't. It's not even close.
"Why is the solution to make things more expensive here and then cheer loss of manufacturing?"
No one is cheering the loss of manufacturing. But we are a very, very prosperous country. The cost floor for low-skill labor in the US is far, far above the ceiling for most of the world. That is just an unavoidable, unchangeable fact.
To compete we would have to pay a worker $3.50/hour, plus the distributed cost of shipping (usually less than 10% of the cost of production, dependong on the dimensions and weight of the product). Do you know anyone who would work a factory job for less than $4.00/hour? Would you?
Acknowledging that the most cost-effective manufacture of commodity goods will always be done in countries that have lower labor costs is just accepting reality. It's math. Math doesn't care that we all hate it. Math doesn't care about feelings at all. It's a cruel thing, math. Reality is both cruel and a bitter pill to swallow.
In America, it was $34.50.
No, it definitely wasn't. Maybe if you include all of management below C-level.
Not really. That figure was for workers and supervisors. But let’s pretend we’re in a world where factory labor costs don’t include any supervisory jobs, just basic labor. Very Borg, but in that case it went from $25.85 in January, 2023 to $27.13 in December, 2023, an average of $26.50.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES3000000008
So your argument is that, in America, there are only workers and no supervisors, but China has to pay all labor costs for the factory. In that scenario the disparity in labor cost drops from 10x more to only 7.5x more. But apparently, in your world, that isn’t a relevant factor in production costs.
And China is relatively expensive. Vietnam, India, and Indonesia have even lower labor costs, but have the infrastructure necessary to ship the products easily and cheaply.
When are you protectionists going to realize that math and reality will never change just because you don’t like the answers they give?
As Brix said, reducing regulations should absolutely happen. We overregulate our businesses. Plus, our regulations are reactionary, so one company behaving badly (and there’s always at least one) leads to regulations that aren’t necessary for the vast majority of businesses, but still add to their costs.
But the belief that regulatory costs are greater than labor costs in manufacturing is just irrational and unsupported by facts.
This will still drive up prices for the consumer right after record inflation. It is a state imposed wealth transfer from the consumer to the manufacturer with the statist goal to benefit the nation at the expense of the individual (the cost is both monetary and freedom).
Exactly. It is the literal definition of ‘grift’. I would add the government benefits the most from this grift in that they are the ones collecting the tax revenue.
Good point
^ This
None of these Comms majors parading around as economists understand supply chain risk is book kept as a cost. Supply chain issues during covid never happened. Regulatory costs don't add a dime to costs. Theft never adds a dime to costs. They are as ignorant on economics as psarc.
I worked supply chain for almost a decade for an Italian company. I know exactly what I'm talking about, since I was inside the details almost every day. You, obviously, have never done any supply-chain work of any sort at any point. At least the "Comms majors" that you sneer at have done some research.
No one thinks that an international supply chain has no risk.
No one thinks regulatory costs don't add to the wholesale (and, through that, retail) price of a product.
No one thinks that theft doesn't impact the profit margin of a retail shop, although for any mass-produced commodity product theft will have zero impact on price. Raising your price to cover losses from theft will result in fewer sales as long as a competitor has the same mass-polroduced commodity you do. That's how capitalism works. Plus retail stores carry theft insurance, which covers losses due to theft and eliminates the cost of theft.
Now, if you want to claim that theft insurance raises prices, you'd first have to explain why you think that a store wouldn't carry theft insurance.
You have very confused beliefs about the difference between macro- and microeconomics, wholesale and retail, what costs are added at what level of the supply chain, and what can and can't influence retail prices (given the price pressure of internet retailers).
Basically, you don't understand what you're talking about. The "Comms majors" beat you like a drum.
Yes Trump sees tariffs as a bargaining chip in foreign affairs. He successfully used the threat to get the remain in Mexico deal. Beats the hell out of dropping bombs on them.
"Tuccille, if I am understanding what Pres Trump is proposing, relocating manufacturing to the US will get you a card."
That is an impossible proposal to implement. The only way to have a "get out of tariff jail free" is to manufacture in the US and source all of the elements for your products from the US.
Besides being virtually impossible, since some things just can't be sourced from the US, the much higher cost of labor in the US (approximately 10x higher than the highest Chinese hourly rate and even more for Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc.) would raise costs even more than the tariffs.
Because the labor rate is based on cost of living and alternative employment opportunities, we will never have a competitive labor cost in the US. We're just too prosperous a country and there are too many alternatives for employment, especially now with unemployment so low.
"So there is a way for a country’s manufacturer to avoid tariffs altogether"
No, there's a way that tariffs on *the final product* could be avoided. Avoiding that one tariff would never justify the cost of relocating a manufacturing plant to the US, since they would still be subject to tariffs on any imported product or material. Every single imported element that goes into that final product (zippers, airbags, fabric, vegetables in the winter, etc.) would be subject to tariffs, increasing their cost to the manufacturer and driving up the price of the final product. There are no "duty-free" parts for manufacturing plants inside the US. There is no way for anyone to avoid the tariffs and that will result in higher prices. There's no way to avoid it.
"Manufacturing in China and India is very unfriendly to the environment. They pollute way more than US."
Most companies care about that exactly as much as they have to, no more. And with one of the two major parties so fiercely opppsed to environmental protection, it really doesn't matter to most mass market producers. If it isn't actively killing people in a way that can directly be traced back to the company, they don't have to care. So, mostly, they don't.
"There are also other reasons – financial, diplomatic, political, national security – that a POTUS might choose to levy (or not) a tariff, not just pure economic. This is totally lost in your post."
Not really. There may be edge cases like semiconductors and chips, but the vast majority of commerce in America is just cheaply-produced, disposable, boring ... stuff. Clothes, food, shovels, even cars.
Trump doesn't accept the economic reality of the impact of tariffs. Even worse, the little he does understand he sees as a good thing. He trumpets the billions of dollars that *the government* collects from importers, as if that money just spontaneously appears in the importers' bank accounts to pay the US government. But it doesn't spontaneously appear, it is generated by increasing the price of their goods. As in ***it's paid for by consumers***.
When money leaves the bank accounts of consumers and ends up in the government coffers, that's indistinguishable from a tax. And Trump thinks that's proof that tariffs work! And his working-class supporters believe it. It's absolutely mind-blowing.
countries that responded to Smoot-Hawley with retaliatory tariffs reduced their imports from the U.S. by an average of 28-33 percent
And?
Those businesses made up for what they could by making (or buying) domestically.
The same will be true with Trump's tariffs.
One could also make the case that Smoot-Hawley was a non-trivial factor in the world's evolution toward World War II.
Seeing China as an enemy rather than as a business partner can hardly have a good outcome, no matter how things play out.
China sees the US as an enemy
I think some are unable to differentiate between "competitor" and "enemy".
China is a competitor. CCP is our enemy.
Agreed.
These past 3.75 years of the Trump administration have been awful with the hyperinflation, accelerated federal debt with those interest payments being the third highest budget item, loss of the petrodollar, and both the global south and east rejecting DC centered globohomo. I’m glad that Reason is taking a short look at a controversial subject of tariffs, sometimes an economic application of the NAP and sometimes dumb, before getting back the current disaster that Trump-Vance has put us in since January 2021.
Given his silence on the matter I can only assume Tuccille finds the Biden tariff increases to be fantastic so maybe Trump should propose something like that.
Reason has condemned Biden’s tariffs many times.
If Trump defenders were honest they’d praise Biden.
Instead they ignore such articles and dishonestly claim they don’t exist.
Hey, white Mike is back!
Fuck off you Leftist shill. I won't find articles blasting Biden first and foremost. At best I am going to find articles whose headline blasts Trump, spends 90%of the article blasting Trump but somewhere in the middle concedes Biden did something but is vague on exactly what and why.
The only thing I’ve seen about Biden’s tariff is my repeated posting of this fact sheet.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
I would post that link less if Reason was pointing it out.
""President Biden’s economic plan is supporting investments and creating good jobs in key sectors that are vital for America’s economic future and national security. China’s unfair trade practices concerning technology transfer, intellectual property, and innovation are threatening American businesses and workers. China is also flooding global markets with artificially low-priced exports. In response to China’s unfair trade practices and to counteract the resulting harms, today, President Biden is directing his Trade Representative to increase tariffs under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 on $18 billion of imports from China to protect American workers and businesses.""
This includes increasing tariffs on China EVs by %100.
"Given his silence on the matter I can only assume Tuccille finds the Biden tariff increases to be fantastic so maybe Trump should propose something like that."
Not really. Tuccille is simply a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit who needs to FOAD.
"Given his silence on the matter I can only assume Tuccille finds the Biden tariff increases to be fantastic"
Silence? Maybe read the article first. It will make you look less foolish.
What percentage of voters do you think would be able to identify your comment as sarcasm? If you said anything under 50%, I envy your naivety.
Mark Cuban blew up the All-In Podcast by stating your exact comment, blaming the last 3.5 years on Trump.
This is what, article 17 on Trump tariffs? At least this one mentions Biden/Harris's embrace of tariffs, too, but you wouldn't know it from the headlines. At least Trump also pursed trade deals.
Huffpo Jr is sparing no expense of ink on Trump hit pieces.
Trump offered zero tariffs if other countries did the same. But Reason is dead set on believing the ideal market is one where other countries are advantaged.
Trump punches 3 men…who first punched him
The NAP is lost on some.
Tuccille is a TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit.
WHY DOES A MAGAZINE DEDICATED TO FREE MINDS AND FREE MARKETS KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT TARIFFS? MAKES NO SENSE! THEY MUST HATE TRUMP AND SUPPORT HARRIS! IT’S THE ONLY EXPLANATION!
Poor sarc. Resorted to all caps.
The ghost of Hinn.
Hihn may have been a test pilot for the Sarco pod.
Sarc needs to take a page out of Hihn's book: FOAD.
I'm just glad we are laser focused on tariffs and not the 1.5T in regulatory costs Biden Harris put on us the last 4 years.
Having a president who tells us what we can buy and threatens price controls is much better than tariffs on shit quality goods from a country that steals 300B of IP and IRAD, costing domestic companies 200B a year in security costs. Because those never add to consumer costs. Only tariffs increase consumer costs.
is much better than tariffs on shit quality goods from a country that steals 300B of IP and IRAD, costing domestic companies 200B a year in security costs.
...
“Former President Donald Trump’s proposals to impose a universal tariff of 20 percent…
You can do the math =) Regulatory costs added by Biden Harris was 1.5T domestically. Which is bigger?
Right now tariffs are 50B a year. Most of his tariffs are regarding China if you listen to full speeches. Supply shift occurs.
I know HS level economics is preferred here, but please do the math.
Fallacy of relative privation for the win!
You shouldn’t use words you don’t understand. Or better yet, just STFU, you ignorant drunk.
I know HS level economics is preferred here,
I wish we'd get up to HS level economics here. We're way down at Trump level economics though.
You keep bringing up these regulation costs. Please explain to me how tariffs reduce these regulation costs, because it just seems like a whataboutism to me.
Yeah, Harris/Biden are worse than Trump, but that doesn't get him off the hook for his wealth transfer proposals.
He brings up regulations to change the subject and attack the author. All his arguments are in bad faith.
And yet there are not 500 articles a week on how Harris/Biden are the worst. So fuck off with the concern trolling about costs because you and Reason writers only seem to care when you can use it to attack Republicans or Trump in particular.
So fuck off with the concern trolling about costs because you and Reason writers only seem to care when you can use it to attack Republicans or Trump in particular.
Every pro Harris/Biden comment here is covered in criticism like shiny green flies on dog shit. I'm not a sing-with-choir, go-with-the-flow type of person.
Trump offers so much low hanging fruit to the contrarian commenter.
"I’m not a sing-with-choir, go-with-the-flow type of person.
Trump offers so much low hanging fruit to the contrarian commenter."
You're a TDS-addled twit, trying, oh so hard, to prove your independence, regardless of the truth of the matter.
Tiresome at best.
I'm not interested in trading insults with you, Sevo, but I appreciate that you are reading my comments anyway.
"the 1.5T in regulatory costs Biden Harris put on us the last 4 years"
I'll probably regret this, but where did you get $1.5 trillion?
Trump's Destructive Tariff Proposals Will Make Us All Poorer
Not all of us. It is a wealth transfer. The government decides the winners and losers.
Government is already doing that by creating advantaged trade markets through domestic regulatory policies.
You just prefer China to be advantaged.
I prefer removal of the regulations.
Short of that, you're correct. I want affordable goods instead of making coerced charity payments to US unskilled laborers, or worse to the feds.
No you don’t. You like regulations. You can’t oppose regulations and tariffs. Neither can Reason. Jesse’s elaborate strawman would break down. So stop lying.
This is the correct answer. Remove regulatory costs that dwarf tariffs. But reason almost never mentions it as they pound their fist about tariffs. Their take is for advantaged markets away from domestic.
Company A and Company B both make widget. Government imposes regulators that increase costs that increase widget price by 30%. Government exempts company B.
This is essentially the regulatory scenario.
The secondary China issue is then…
Company A invests to reduce cost of widget by 30% to match exempted cost of Company B. Company B steals IRAD to reduce cost further.
Reason would claim there is no claim of company A due to this theft against Company B.
This is my problem with Reason economics. They want no action against the preferential market status of Company B. Ultimately this reduces incentive by Company A to continue to invest. Company B never was incentivized to invest.
Short term consumer gain for long term loss.
The fact you think the labor costs are the primary concern shows a lack of understanding. Labor is not the driving cost differential here.
But reason almost never mentions it as they pound their fist about tariffs.
Same is true for Trump.
Oh that's why he never had a De-Regulation Committee or did Tax-Cuts? TDS ignorance on what he did do is no excuse.
almost never mentions
I’m talking about what he’s saying and campaigning on in 2024.
TDS ignorance
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Such a weak and tired rebuttal
Apparently; according to this article he is campaigning on it (Tax-Cuts).
The dishonest arguments against Trump is what got “weak and tired”.
OK, but you're the one that brought up tax cuts. I never said a word about tax cuts.
Whatever. No big deal. You don't have to believe this is true for me, but you should realize there are valid reasons to criticize Trump without being deranged. I sure think 20% tariffs across the board after record inflation qualifies.
And how do you feel about 20% Domestic Tax-Cuts across the board?
Trumps Deficits: 0.7T, 0.8T, 1T, (3.1T - Cares Act) - TOTAL 5.6T
Bidens Deficits: 2.8T, 1.4T, 1.7T, 1.8T - TOTAL 7.7T
BTW: It wasn't his Tax-Cuts that made the debt it was that BS Democrat Written Cares Act and the incoming [D]-trifecta that just kept repeating that same act over and over and over again.
Jesse I know this is off-topic but I hope you see this.
Can I ask you where/how you got to understand economics? I'm trying to self-educate so I can understand these topics more. Maybe a nice book?
Others can pitch in too, thanks.
Public, I have repeatedly found Investopedia to be a great jumping-off point for both macro- and microeconomic concepts. They do a great job of bullet-pointing in layman's terms and, most impressively, don't seem to let any partisan opinion infect their explanations. They almost always reference the main (reasonable) criticisms of each concept.
They also have articles on their home page, which are usually quite good, but their subject pages/summaries are their best content.
Each subject page hits a specific concept, with links to associated concepts. If you are prone to falling down internet rabbit holes, it is either nirvana or the bane of your existence (depending on how much joy or pain internet rabbit holes give you).
There are plenty of references to core texts (like Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations) that you can follow up on if you're especially curious about a topic. As a general, bare-bones information source on economic and fiscal issues, I find it very useful.
https://www.investopedia.com/
Happy hunting!
The fact you think the labor costs are the primary concern shows a lack of understanding. Labor is not the driving cost differential here.
You got a cite? From Cato Jan 2024:
"Regulation is frequently described as one of the drivers of falling entry, rising industry concentration, and underinvestment in the United States and in other countries. At the core of this proposition lies the question of whether government regulation burdens small and large firms differently and acts as an obstacle to free entry and firm growth. The limited amount of data on firm-level incidence of regulatory compliance costs has made researching this question difficult. Our study combines data on occupational tasks and firms’ wage spending and finds that the average US firm spends between 1.3 and 3.3 percent of its total wage bill on regulatory compliance. Furthermore, this percentage is highest for firms with around 500 employees."
Considering labor costs are an order of magnitude lower in China, I would guess that you. are. full. of. shit.
LMAO... because the Minimum Wage Regulation has nothing to with Labor costs or what? How about employer paid SS & Medicaid? How about mandatory workman's comp? If you think that all adds up to only 3% UR insanely stupid.
I'd actually lay the blame on the up-to 80% Domestic Taxing killing domestic production; but that study is obviously pushing BS.
Just another J.D. Tuccille lefty bootlicker clickbait headline, most of these assclowns commenting won't even read the article. BTW J.D. Tuccille, I totally agree with you and bidenonmics has most of the Trump first term tariffs still in place, it's just the lefty bootlicker clickbait headline I disagree with.
Would we be better off with Harris/Walz? No.
Would we be better off with Chase
gaylOliver? Doubt it.So, out of the 3 options, which one is better? Why isn't there any in-depth comparison? Why is there no noise about the Libertarian (non)option?
Just yelling "TRUMP'S BAD!!!" while whispering "and we also don't like Harris" and completely ignoring Liver does nothing.
An Otherwise Decent Tax Plan but not decent enough to be better than the Act Blue plan? Even if it's "offset" by the tariffs, what's the offset for the Democrat's tax increases AND tariffs? Hmm?
This will come as a shock to you, but tariffs are tax increases.
Ah but it’s different when T(R)ump does it because reasons.
So much better when it's done by Joe Harris, since it's (D)ifferent, right fuck face?
Yes Shrike, it is different. In the sense that Trump employed tariffs as a temporary measure to renegotiate really bad trade deals with nations that are bad actors. Biden sees tariffs as a structural necessity.
See the difference?
Trump "renegotiated" NAFTA into a virtually identical agreement called USMCA and said it was better. That's what he does. He takes things, changes almost nothing, and claims he "improved" it.
Nothing Trump "negotiated" has ever been an improvement on what came before. Whether trade agreements or ally relations or Middle East agreements, his agreements have fizzled out and changed nothing.
But the hype? Oh, he can't stop talking about how awesome his agreements are even though they are, at best, meh.
Trump is all form, no substance. Or, if you prefer the Texas version, all hat, no cattle.
Biden sure got things done.
Bankrupted the Nation.
Launched massive inflation.
Doubled the welfare system.
Maybe LESS 'substance' is exactly what is needed.
Haven't you said democrats are better at raising taxes?
Pour sarc. So, what's the say about Democrats? C'mon, put 2+2 together.
We have two terrible options. One is definitely worse than the other, but in the end we will still end up with a terrible president.
I would rather have Trump with a hostile media than Harris with a sycophantic media. I don't pretend that either is remotely acceptable and will not vote for either of them.
Fortunately America has survived shitty Presidents before (most recently from 2016-2020) and we'll do it again. We are a strong and resilient country. Even if all three branches end up in MAGA hands, we will survive it.
Although if Trump wins and does half the shit he says he will, it may be the end of the Republican Party.
"Even if all three branches end up in MAGA hands, we will survive it."
Oh those horrible MAGA days when there wasn't Biden-inflation and a president who told everyone America would never be socialist... /s
I'm pretty sure Trump's talk of tariffs does not affect us as much as Biden actual tariffs.
Oh, if only he had limited himself to just talking about it. Biden tacking on a few more tariffs was the crap cherry on top of Trump's shit sundae.
In 2024 we can choose Dumb or Dumber.
Dumb promotes tariffs that will make things more expensive.
Dumber promotes tariffs, higher taxes, more regulations, more socialism, more state control, and generally insane social values, that will make things more expensive, take more from most families, and erode our remaining liberties.
Tough choice for libertarians.
Disagreed.
We can elect one who was the best POTUS for the last century, or someone who is as dumb as a random handful of mud.
>>In 2024 we can choose Dumb or Dumber.
choice is Communist Antihumans or Americans.
there's a four-year record. you guys just look like fools.
I believe it was in the Soho debate between Art Laffer and Chase Oliver that Mr. Laffer claimed Trump had said in a meeting with foreign counterpart something to the effect of "I will eliminate US tariffs as soon as you eliminate yours." I hadn't seen it quoted before or since, so perhaps it's apocryphal. I keep hoping he'll take that position while campaigning. Until he does, the tariff plan is a destructive, cynical, beggar thy neighbor policy, which will fail to deliver any of the promised benefits.
Trump has made that offer to every nation.
No, Trump says he has made such an offer. Much like "I'll release my taxes when I'm not under audit" (when it turned out he was never under audit), it's not worth the air he used to lie with.
No, you’re a lying piece of shit that regurgitates desperate lies told by Marxist democrats. You’re a mindless thrall and a tool.
Now fuck off your discredited democrat propaganda. M’kay bitch?
Tariffs are always an egregious idea, but moving your company overseas is even a worse idea.
John Deere, which has been in Illinois for almost two centuries has moved their operation to Mexico for reasons I cannot fathom.
Moving to a more business friendly state like Texas, Tennessee, Florida or Wyoming would've been a much more prudent idea.
Maybe someone should've thought about that BEFORE conquering the USA for a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire that would borrowing $35 TRILLION F'EN $$$$.
I must have missed your criticising Trump for increasing the deficit by so much.
No you probably didn't "miss it" you probably blatantly ignored it.
Nobody here wanted Trump to sign/push that BS Democrat written Cares Act and I have stated that numerous times. Short of that one bill Trump never ran a deficit over $770 billion. The current Administration has yet to come in under $1 trillion and is closer to 2.
His tax cut alone added more than that to the deficit.
Gosh. Now I'm confused again. Are Tariffs JUST-A Tax or not? /s
TDS is a mental disease you catch from leftard media-bias.
No, it didn’t, you lying moronic cunt. Your democrat spending did that. It’s YOUR fault.
I'm starting to think the point isn't so much to criticize Trump's use of tariffs, but instead to try and come up with some flimsy argument from a libertarian perspective to equate Trump and the Democrats.
The first three terms of the Obama administration have been the least libertarian administration since at least Woodrow Wilson if not ever. They have shown absolutely no respect for any of the limits placed on the executive branch of the Federal Government, consistently trying everything within their power to circumvent them.
Whatever one might think of Trump, he's likely an improvement on Obama's fourth term.
Those morons who voted for Biden certainly did make me poorer. And many more became poorer than benefitted from this joyful administration.
The way he talks both while he was doing tariffs during his administration and the way he's talking now I'm not sure he even realizes that it's we here in the US to pay the tarrif. The way he talks he sounds like he thinks it is the nation that exports to us that pays the tariff.
And he's such a stupid fucker that I tend to believe he actually doesn't know who pays the tariff.