Decoding the Sex Trafficking Case Against Sean 'Diddy' Combs
Diddy’s indictment turns the typical sex trafficking charge on its head.

Sean "Diddy" Combs is facing federal sex trafficking and racketeering charges. In an indictment unsealed yesterday, prosecutors accuse the music mogul—formerly known as Puff Daddy and P. Diddy—of having "abused, threatened, and coerced women and others around him to fulfill his sexual desires, protect his reputation, and conceal his conduct."
Combs was arrested on Monday and charged with one count of racketeering conspiracy, one count of sex trafficking, and one count of transportation to engage in prostitution. If convicted on either of the first two counts, Combs faces life in prison, as both the racketeering conspiracy charge and the sex trafficking charge carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. The sex trafficking charge also carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years.
On Tuesday, Combs pleaded not guilty and was denied bail.
I can't speak to whether the allegations against Combs are true. But reading the indictment, a few things jump out that I can comment on. The first is how—once again—the Mann Act rears its ugly head, making criminal what really should not be a crime. The second is how federal prosecutors are (once again) stretching the application of sex trafficking laws to conduct that goes beyond the sort of actions they were originally pushed to target. And the third is how the racketeering conspiracy charge opens up the government to seizing way more assets than they would otherwise be allowed to seize.
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The Mann Act Allegations
The Mann Act was passed in 1910, during the country's first sex-trafficking panic. Back then, white Americans fretted about what they referred to as "white slavery," in which white girls and women were supposedly being forced into lives of sexual servitude. The idea then (and still prevalent now) was that no woman could possibly choose sex work for herself. So, the White-Slave Traffic Act—now called the Mann Act—banned taking females across state lines for prostitution or other immoral purposes. It also authorized the creation of the FBI.
With the Mann Act, the federal government was empowered to investigate and prosecute cases involving prostitution, something heretofore left up to more local decision making and enforcement. And it hasn't looked back; the Mann Act is still very much enforced today, even though it's since been joined by a host of other federal laws that invite the FBI and Homeland Security Investigations to look into cases involving commercial sex.
Merely transporting someone across state lines to engage in sexual activity should not be a crime. If there's abduction or coercion involved, that is the criminal activity. We don't also need a law criminalizing the mere transportation element. It's like making opening the door to a bank during the commission of a bank robbery its own separate crime.
But the Mann Act lets federal prosecutors charge people whom they don't otherwise have cause to arrest or, in situations like Combs' case, to ratchet up the charges, perhaps in service of producing a plea deal.
Combs is charged with violating the Mann Act for allegedly making "arrangements for women and commercial sex workers to fly to [his] location." The alleged sex workers involved were all men.
The indictment contains no allegation that he forced or coerced these sex workers into anything. But if he arranged for their travel, across state lines and internationally, the feds have him on a Mann Act violation.
Allegations of Sex Parties and Physical Assaults
So what about the other charges? Combs allegedly induced women to participate in sex parties he called "Freak Offs," which the indictment describes as "elaborate and produced sex performances that COMBS arranged, directed, masturbated during, and often electronically recorded." For these parties, Combs would allegedly hire male sex workers for women to hook up with.
So far, so what? The only potential crime in all that is hiring the male sex workers. But soliciting prostitution is not a federal crime (though it is a state or local crime almost everywhere in the country). And it's possible no one involved thought of this as prostitution. According to the indictment, Combs would frequently film the sex acts at these "Freak Offs." Making porn is not illegal if all parties are consenting.
The indictment goes into some detail about these alleged sex parties. But while it's heavy on lurid description, its light on actual criminal acts. It says the parties "sometimes lasted multiple days" and that those involved "typically received IV fluids to recover from the physical exertion." (Neither is illegal.) It says that Combs "distributed a variety of controlled substances to victims" and attributes to Combs a nefarious motive for doing this: "to keep the victims obedient and compliant." But it doesn't say that he forced anyone to do drugs or gave anyone drugs surreptitiously.
Even many of Combs' alleged means of coercing women to participate in these parties are likely legal. They include activities that might well be controlling in certain contexts but not necessarily criminal—things like making "promises of career opportunities," giving them financial support (or threatening to withhold it), "dictating [their] appearance," and "monitoring their medical records."
However, that's not all that Combs is accused of doing. The indictment also says he used "the sensitive, embarrassing, and incriminating recordings that he made during Freak Offs as collateral to ensure the continued obedience and silence of the victims."
And it accuses him of having assaulted some of the women, "striking, punching, dragging, throwing objects at, and kicking them."
Several women have previously accused Combs of sexual assault. And at least one video was made public last fall of Combs punching and kicking Casandra Ventura, an R&B singer who goes by Cassie. (Ventura sued him in civil court, saying Combs had raped her, physically assaulted her, and forced her to have sex with other men while he filmed. The suit was settled a day after Ventura filed it.)
Breaking It Down
So let's break this down.
We've got one charge for something that should not be a crime (transportation of willing adults). Even if Combs did this, it should not matter, morally or legally.
Then we've got allegations of the sort of violence and abuse that definitely should be illegal—albeit not the purview of the federal government. If Combs did these things, they are both morally abhorrent and should be prosecutable under state criminal laws.
Then we've got this third, murkier business—the sex parties—that it's hard to know what to make of.
And this murky third element is the thing that the federal government really needs to justify this case. It's the area where the indictment has devoted the most attention, and also where the lines between legal adult activity and criminal sex trafficking are blurry.
Sex Trafficking?
According to the indictment, Combs used his "power and prestige," along with "the pretense of a romantic relationship," to "lure" women to him. So…he was a rich and famous dude who women were drawn to and he maybe used that to his sexual advantage? That may be cad-like behavior, but it is not (nor should it be) illegal.
The indictment goes on to say that after luring women into his "orbit," Combs "used force, threats of force, and coercion, to cause victims to engage in extended sex acts with male commercial sex workers."
These allegations turn typical sex trafficking claims on their head.
In a typical scenario, a trafficker is accused of using force or coercion to cause someone to have sex for money and then to keep some or all of that money for themselves. It's the person paid for sex who is being abused or exploited and the trafficker who is financially benefiting.
But in this case, the alleged trafficker—Combs—is accused of paying money to consenting sex workers and using force or coercion to find sex partners for them. It's not the sex workers who are allegedly being trafficked but the people whom the sex workers are paid to have sex with. (There's a gender swap from your typical case, where the alleged sex workers are female and those paying them male, which opens up a whole can of worms about gendered perceptions of sexual agency that we won't get into now…)
Is that really sex trafficking? It seems like prosecutors are once again stretching the definition.
Sex trafficking statutes were enacted with a promise of stopping forced prostitution. But prosecutors and people bringing civil lawsuits have found all sorts of creative ways to use them, hurling sex trafficking allegations at social media websites, software companies, and sex workers themselves, as well as people engaged in a wide array of odd or bad behavior adjacent to sex (see, for instance, some of the NXIVM cases, or the investigation into Matt Gaetz.)
Combs may well have engaged in some nasty, abusive, and criminal behavior. But things can be nasty, abusive, and even criminal without necessarily being sex trafficking.
To me, this feels like a case where federal law enforcement is bringing sex trafficking charges to get attention and justify its involvement when maybe more mundane charges would be more relevant.
The "Conspiracy"
The Combs case seems especially weak when it comes to the alleged conspiracy.
According to the feds, Combs' whole business enterprise—his record label, his product portfolio, and his media company, and all the rest—are a "criminal enterprise" that helped Combs engage in sex trafficking and other crimes. From the indictment:
Members and associates of the Combs Enterprise, including high-ranking supervisors, security staff, household staff, personal assistants, and other Combs Business employees, facilitated the Freak Offs by, among other things, booking hotel rooms for the Freak Offs; stocking the hotel rooms in advance with the required Freak Off supplies, including controlled substances, baby oil, lubricant, extra linens, and lighting; cleaning the hotel rooms after the Freak Offs to try to mitigate room damage; arranging for travel for victims, commercial sex workers, and COMBS to and from Freak Offs; resupplying COMBS with requested supplies; delivering large sums of cash to COMBS to pay the commercial sex workers; and scheduling the delivery of IV fluids.
OK, but…if Combs' staff thought he was throwing consensual sex parties or making legal pornographic videos, then most of these alleged actions are just normal and legal activities. There may be elements of illegality in there—procuring illegal drugs, for instance (which also should be legal, but that's another argument for a separate time). But things like purchasing or possessing drugs could easily be charged as stand-alone crimes without having to draw up a whole racketeering conspiracy case.
The most damning allegation is that "members and associates of the Combs Enterprise helped conceal the violence and abuse by, among other things, assisting COMBS in monitoring and preventing victims from leaving locations, such as hotels or COMBS' residences. These occasions included instances in which a victim was required to remain in hiding-sometimes for several days at a time-to recover from injuries COMBS inflicted, without being publicly observed."
But how much (moral or legal) culpability to assign such staff members if this is true depends on what they knew about the situation. How was the women "required" to stay put and how willingly did they stay put? How apparent were their injuries and how were staff told that they occurred? This is, ostensibly, someone they saw as a romantic partner of Combs and someone who kept coming back. There's a world in which things happened in the worst of all possible lights, but it's also possible staff members didn't quite know what was happening (or, of course, that it didn't happen as the feds say it did at all). The complaint provides no real details.
The vagueness and broadness of the conspiracy element suggest the government may have an ulterior motive here. Charging random employees for buying drugs is not lucrative or accolade earning. Charging Combs for any discrete acts of violence may get attention but doesn't allow the feds to attack all the assets involved in his wildly successful businesses.
But by trying to make this a sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy case that involves all of Combs' businesses, it opens up the possibly of seizing all sorts of money and assets involved in them.
The indictment ends by saying that Combs shall forfeit to the United States any and all money, property, and other assets belonging to Bad Boy Records, Combs' Enterprises, and Combs Global that were in any way tied to the alleged criminal acts. It also stipulates that if it can't seize particular assets involved in the crimes, for whatever reason, then the government can claim other property, money, and assets belonging to Combs and his businesses.
More Sex & Tech News
• The Rhode Island sex worker rights group COYOTE RI has released a wonderful new book that compiles the group's past decade of research into how government policies are affecting the lives of sex workers. Sex Work Policy: Participatory Action Research By and For Sex Worker "brings together the lived experiences and recommendations of over 2000 US sex workers and sex trafficking survivors who participated in six surveys to create an essential policy primer for activists and policymakers," the group explains. As I said in a blurb for the book, it "should be required reading for anyone proposing policies that affect sex workers or anyone writing about sex work." But it's also a good (and accessible) read for anyone who wants to know more about how public policies "protecting" sex workers are actually affecting their lives.
• ProPublica delves into a heartbreaking story of how an abortion ban led to a preventable death in Georgia:
Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.
She'd taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.
But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.
Instead of doing the procedure right away, her doctors hesitated for nearly a full day, making sure her condition was life-threatening enough to justify the operation. They waited too long.
• Virginia Postrel critiques Christine Rosen's new antitech tome, The Extinction of Experience.
• The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is urging the Supreme Court to side with the Free Speech Coalition and its fellow plaintiffs in a case challenging a Texas age verification law that applies to online purveyors of adult content. In a brief submitted Monday, the ACLU argues that "this is a straightforward case" and the Texas law is unconstitutional.
• In case you missed it last week: A North Dakota judge overturned the state's strict abortion ban. "The North Dakota Constitution guarantees each individual, including women, the fundamental right to make medical judgments affecting his or her bodily integrity, health and autonomy, in consultation with a chosen health care provider free from government interference," wrote Burleigh County District Judge Bruce Romanick in his decision. "Unborn human life, pre-viability, is not a sufficient justification to interfere with a woman's fundamental right."
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The government: "We've got whatever it takes to take whatever you've got."
"But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions."
Nope.
And it's possible no one involved thought of this as prostitution.
Bitch, can you be anymore retarded?
Like wtf else do you hire males for, in those situations.
Seems like the same situation as making porn. Which is an awful lot like prostitution, but for whatever reason is not considered so legally.
for whatever reason
WTF? Would you prefer to watch a video of me pointing a gun at you or just have me actually point a gun at you in person? Would you rather accept money from me to watch you and your wife/girlfriend/SO have sex or would you rather I just pay her for sex directly.
I get that there's an element of "We're all consenting adults here." and I'm not exactly trying to (not) indict Combs, but let's try not to make this any more retarded than ENB's does as part of her professional schtick.
You're practically begging for a Sean Combs "legally" filming sex situation to break down into a R. Kelly "legally" filming sex situation to break down further into a Jared from Subway or 3rd Grade Genderqueer Film Appreciation situation. And, please, let's not pretend that the slippery slope around the world's oldest profession with points highlighted with modern names does not exist.
I don't know what you are on about. I'm just remarking on the peculiar legal situation where it's illegal for a person to hire another person to have sex with, but it is legal for a third party to hire two people to have sex with each other on video.
It’s only peculiar if you subscribe to a “speech is violence” nonsense or even “The law says no topless women around children but nothing about pantsless men.” bad faith mindset. Even at best, it’s a disingenuous, pedantic “No credible reports of immigrants eating *pets*.”
Otherwise, the distinction between paying for a performance and paying for a service is rather obvious and it’s pretty clear that Combs wasn’t sifting through resumes and notifying the FBI under 18 U.S.C §§ 2257- 2257A Certifications like every other porn production company has for the last 40 odd years.
There could be a case to be had that Combs was paying for a performance by strippers, but then the filming/pornography is immaterial.
The problem with this comparison is that, in a lot of pornographic productions, people really, actually do have sex for pay.
If you shot someone, with a real gun, on camera, and really did them injury you would be charged with a bunch of crimes.
Imagine a world in which it would be somehow legal to shoot someone and do them real injury, but only if it was as part of a film production. This would be nuts.
I thought if you recorded it it became porn production which becomes protected speech? Porn studios arrange for transportation all the time don't they?
[rubs temples] Seriously?
So if I film an execution it’s protected free speech? Porn studios also register with the FBI as well as their production and distribution chains to ensure children aren’t being filmed. Obviously, there’s a… potentially fruitful gray area where people film each other for barter, favor, or past time but the idea that just because you flip the camera on an illegal act becomes legal is ENB-levels of stupid.
They don’t carry membership cards or elect board members either. Maybe prostitution, sex trafficking, and pedophilia are *all* more just abstract ideas than actual business practices or dysfunctional social exploits. JFC.
Perhaps we could pass around some
MeTooLeda Health kits and settle this matter once and for all.She'd taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body.
Are these the abortion pills we're repeatedly told are 100% safe and effective with no downsides, and should be available without a prescription, and even a vending machine?
The more I think of this, this is a strange mobius strip of wtf…
So, we’re told that abortion should be on demand at any point during the pregnancy– and any limits (limits which the Roe V Wade decision said were legitimate) applied are an affront to women’s bodily autonomy (ignoring Buck V Bell and Jacobson v Mass), sexual freedom and physical health, well-being and even their very survival. We’re also told that technology has progressed to a place where you can have an abortion in pill form that’s completely safe and anyone suggesting it’s not are misogynistic bigots and the publisher even retracted their right wing studies!
This woman takes an abortion pill which successfully aborts the pregnancy but leaves some clumps of cells behind which presumably become necrotic and lead to an infection. She then proceeds to die because the hospital will not treat her infection for fear of running afoul of an abortion law– a procedure they were not going to perform– because the procedure had already been performed by the woman.
This smacks a LOT like a galaxy-splittingly rare condition of a 10yr old girl finding herself pregnant from a rape committed by an undocumented immigrant who we know vanishingly little about, 10 minutes after an abortion law goes into effect… all happening with 20 miles of a bordering state which just happened to have an abortion clinic run by a prominent abortion activist where her non English-speaking mother was able to take her for the emergency procedure while a throng of press waited in advance of her arrival.
*giggling* I have to ask, was this another story where her death went straight to the [Vice] President's mouth in a press conference before anyone else, including the hospital or even coroner knew about it?
I don't know but I have a hard time imagining that the law outlaws D&C in every case. It's a procedure used for things other than abortion and without a fetus present it's hard to imagine that the doctors could be prosecuted under an abortion law. This isn't even a case wherein they'd need to invoke a life of the mother defense because they were not performing an abortion. There was no fetus. I suspect that there is a lot more detail to this story that ProPublica and ENB would prefer not to share.
I don’t know but I have a hard time imagining that the law outlaws D&C in every case. It’s a procedure used for things other than abortion and without a fetus present it’s hard to imagine that the doctors could be prosecuted under an abortion law.
They absolutely wouldn't. It's a necrotic clump of cells that are causing your system to go septic. This isn't an abortion, it's treatment for a necrotic clump of cells causing your system to go septic.
I think what we have are doctors specifically putting patients lives at risk to make a political point by claiming they legally can't perform certain surguries that are legal
*ding*ding*ding*ding*
Either that, or the doctors heroically did everything they could to save her, but by the time she showed up to the hospital in a fully septic state after taking her vending-machine-dispensed 100% safe and effective abortion pill, an activist on the ward called the New York Times and shouted "This is all Trump's fault!"
I think what we have are doctors specifically putting patients lives at risk to make a political point...
And if that is the case, it is a clear violation of their Hippocratic Oath and clear case of malpractice. They should be censured, sued into oblivion, and driven out of the medical profession.
To be "No credible evidence they're eating pets." clear, she died in a hospital bed of sepsis, not bleeding out in a parking lot.
In our non-binary, quantum duality, two movies-one screen, celebratory parallax reality, if you take two steps to the right, this really, really looks an awful lot like these activist doctors killed this girl in a distinctly Kermit Gosnell fashion.
The difference between things libertines would really, really like to be true and the real world.
I wonder if that judge's ruling in North Dakota will apply to such things as vaccine mandates or is just abortion (which in most circumstances, is not a medical decision).
Always the first question that comes to mind when some judge somewhere makes some dramatic claim about a woman's bodily autonomy. Where were these guys in 2020?
Where were these guys in 2020?
Public Health / The Greater Good trumps individual bodily autonomy every time. Duh.
The Mann Act was passed in 1910, during the country’s first sex-trafficking panic. Back then, white Americans fretted about what they referred to as “white slavery,” in which white girls and women were supposedly being forced into lives of sexual servitude. The idea then (and still prevalent now) was that no woman could possibly choose sex work for herself. So, the White-Slave Traffic Act—now called the Mann Act—banned taking females across state lines for prostitution or other immoral purposes.
OK, I know this makes me an anti-Schrödinger, binary thinking male bigot, but which is it? Assuming we don't exist in a perpetual quantum particle duality of all possible realities, have women been unable to own property up to and including their own bodies and sexuality, even forbidden from wearing pants, throughout history or were they wholly allowed and even encouraged to participate in the sex trade right up until, for no particular reason at all, men apparently really decided that they didn’t enjoy the ability to pay for sex?
Again, just to confirm my bigoted binary bona fides: maybe it wasn’t a “The Mann Act is only evil, pro-government tyranny.” situation, but more of the sort of situation where rural girls were being drawn to the city with promises of self-empowerment only to wind up either working for Harvey Weinstein-types or strangling ducks for dinner in the park and, whenever women complained, their husbands told them to get back in the kitchen and make a sandwich or beat them with a stick no thicker than their thumb or put them up on the dresser or whatever.
I find your arguments intriguing and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter/blog.
Solution: We should outsource the evidence collection business to an internet storefront with an 'add to cart' button.
+1 for the “They refused to perform an abortion on an already dead fetus?” catch above.
Kat Timpf: Binary thinking divides us.
ENB: All The Feminism Sex Worker Pedophilia Narratives Everywhere All At Once All The Time.
I'm not at all sure what you want.
Look, someone who takes away your freedom might be doing it because they want to help you. They don't have to be doing it for entirely self-serving reasons.
Lots of dumb laws were passed in that era by people (who often called themselves 'progressives'!) who wanted to 'protect' women, or children, or whoever. Why is that shocking? Is that different from what happens today?
I don't understand the first objection, given that Diddy's pals (allegedly) lured victims into his orgies under false pretenses. Any sex worker transported were involved in a crime. They might be innocent if they thought they were just working at a sex party. Diddy is still guilty.
A governmental entity cannot force anyone from leaving. I can stop anyone from entering my home, but I can't stop them from leaving after I invite them. If the staff told a victim "Diddy says you can't leave", then Diddy is in trouble.
Diddy has little credibility. A video of him beating up on his girlfriend exists. The feds will have an easier time proving criminal intent, since they have no shortages of firsthand witnesses. The Mann Act might be antiquated, but this isn't the hill to die on.
The Mann Act might be antiquated, but this isn’t the hill to die on.
It's almost like they learned nothing from #MeToo and #BLM #DefundThePolice #HandsUpDontShoot.
To the point that you almost get the impression that she/they don't really care if more people get trafficked against their will or fewer, as long as the pot bubbles after they've stirred.
On the Diddy Daddy thing. This story has been floating around for a while and I, like Ms. Brown, have been wondering exactly what the federal crime was. OK it shouldn't be but it is illegal to transport willing people across state lines lines for purposes of prostitution. And it's illegal to deliver controlled substances and presumably they also crossed state lines. A lot of women are claiming that they were subject to violence but so far they have made their case in civil courts. So the DOJ could prosecute the drug and Trafficking charges without much effort and local prosecutors could file assault charges. The conspiracy charges are actually the more disturbing aspect. Fani Willis is currently prosecuting another rapper, Young Thug, under Georgia RICO statutes that makes very similar claims. She's also attempting to prosecute the Trump case as a RICO conspiracy. This is lawfare shit that allows prosecutors to drag peripheral actors into their net and make the process the punishment. But the larger question is why Diddy and why now since this information has been reported for many years. The parallels to Epstein are inescapable and Diddy is famously connected to a lot of powerful Democrats and other elitists and has apparently videoed all of these freak outs. Who has the most to lose here? The regime now has possession of the evidence. Will Diddy have to be Epsteined?
Will Diddy have to be Epsteined?
Epstein got Epsteined because he was a legitimate threat to expose a lot of high-connected elites in a ring of underage prostitution that the CIA/FBI are obviously trying to keep under wraps for future leverage. Ghislaine Maxwell hasn't been offed yet specifically because she's not threatening to expose anyone.
It's going to be the same thing with Diddy. If they think he's an actual threat to name names, they'll assassinate him. If he's a good boy and takes the fall without squealing, he'll probably get some sort of plea bargain.
*head in hands*
I have to remind myself that Reason does not employ journalists, it employs bloggers and opinion columnists.
She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.
But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.
So as you can clearly read, the eye-popping contradictions are on full display. A routine procedure on a not even a dead fetus, but the leftover bits and pieces of a dead fetus, and they hesitated for a day to perform a procedure which is NOT illegal in the sate.
Chances this hospital is claiming this to avoid a lawsuit because they simply failed to treat her, and never even considered the legality at the time: 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
So I take back what I said above. They probably didn't try to heroically save her and simply couldn't, then claimed the "aborshun law TRUMPSSSFAULT11!!!11" narrative after the fact. They were simply negligent in her treatment and the Risk Management department at the Hospital concocted this story when talking to the insurer.
"The law provides exceptions for abortion in cases of medical emergencies, medically futile pregnancies, and pregnancies that resulted from rape or incest. It also provides that procedures to remove a deceased fetus or an ectopic pregnancy do not constitute an abortion."
Yeah I figured. ENB has crossed the line into pure propaganda. Indefensible.
I ended up in an emergency room a few years ago in extreme pain. Hours later they got me in and ran an EKG and checked me for blood clots. They did not diagnose my ailment (turned out to be an inflamed nerve) but told me whatever it was wouldn't kill me so would I kindly get the fuck out. I have no idea what actually happened in this case but the standard protocol seems to be if you're not clinging to life by a thread we'll talk to ya later. So yeah. The most likely explanation is there was a shift change and her file inadvertently ended up at the bottom of the pile. Or something. This shit happens every day. But this is a story because she took an abortion pill and ProPublica wants to use a tragic death to promote a political agenda.
ENB has crossed the line into pure propaganda.
The Fuck? Were you not around for the weeks photos of bloodless placentas in a petri dish being proferred as evidence that no bodies were killed during an abortion like Goddamned Nazis offering tours of the delousing chambers at Auschwitz? Or for the discussion about how sonograms don't detect the pulsing rhythm of arterial tissue contracting or heartbeats but merely the electrical signals being conducted along neurons? Or the lecture about how late term abortions after 12-14 weeks were rare, the law was onerous, and medical abortions (Federally administratively capped at 10 weeks) were the way to go anyway? Or the repeated narrative about how, despite all the birth control and plan B and general health breakthroughs in the last 70 yrs. we still need to respect defend a woman's right to get a back alley coat hanger abortion lest A Handmaid's Tale ensue?
This is so on par for ENB one might rightly recognize and/or conclude that this is what straight-down-the-pipe 'libertarian feminism' is.
Think of this whole thing from a pure logic standpoint. Someone comes into your hospital with a nasty infection, but (taking the hospital and the media at their own literal word) you decide to not treat it until it becomes life threatening.
Imagine you're the physician on the ward and you are a rabid, spittle-flecked ranting pro abortion, pro choice, hard core activist who believes abortion should be legal up to the infant lying on the table but the umbilical cord hasn't been cut yet... aka a Real Libertarian. A woman arrives at your hospital after a botched abortion (yes, I fucking said it and I stand by it and it is a hill I will watch everyone die on trying to knock me off it) because she has necrotic fetal matter left in the womb that is causing an active infection-- but it's not yet life threatening. My choice is "treat the infection" or "wait until it becomes life threatening" because I am a loyal MSNBC viewer and I believe with every fiber of my being that I could spend ten years in prison for treating the infection. What do you do?
You treat the infection and fucking DARE the state to prosecute you for performing a life-saving procedure. You don't let the person die, or wait until she's at death's door before you treat. Even if you're not prosecuted, you've got a clear cut, modern version of the 'coathanger' case in your lap, with a fucking ribbon on it. "We had to perform this emergency treatment because she was forced to resort to the modern version of a back alley coathanger abortion: a pill-- all because she was past the bullshit six week fetal heartbeat stage".
This story as it's being presented to us from the media is weapons grade propagandistic horseshit.
Yeah, Prohibition killed Matthew Perry too. We should repeal all laws that prohibit things. Fewer people would die from prohibition then. The pretext that this woman's pregnancy fell out of the sky the same way the 10-yr.-old rape victim's pregnancy did is SNAFU.
Regardless of your opinion on for or against ... a piece of the puzzle you didn't remark on is the so called law is written so horribly vague as the the hospital legal team isn't sure if they would be breaking a law or not. So as in all games of "cover your butt" legally, they are waiting until they can play a 'safety' and not have to take the brunt of the risk.
A clarification of what is or is not legal would serve everybody involved better. But part of clarifying is the minute you do, ppl go around it ... so the bible thumpers wrote it as widely as possible to be able to punish anybody they want to punish. This isn't medically viable, somebody is going to have to give.
A clarification of what is or is not legal would serve everybody involved better.
It's actually pretty clear in this situation as there was no baby. This is a justification after the fact to cover the hospital's ass, and people seem happy to give them cover for their malpractice based on their personal politics. No doubt that is exactly what the hospitals legal council was counting on.
My guess is this was a low-income case where the hospital was hoping she'd just 'walk it off' since they were quite sure it wasn't going to be covered by government insurance. Once it became obvious she wasn't going to 'walk it off' they had already waited too long.
Ironically if the Doctor's had just done the procedure and saved her life nobody would have asked any questions about the procedure.
The argument was never about there being a baby or not. You would think the baby already being dead would be slam dunk, but it isn't. The problem is the Georgia "Life" bill HB 481/AP say that an abortion is
"(1) 'Abortion' means the act of using, prescribing, or administering any instrument, substance, device, or other means with the purpose to terminate a pregnancy with knowledge that termination will, with reasonable likelihood, cause the death of an unborn child; provided, however, that any such act shall not be considered an abortion if the act is performed with the purpose of:
(A) Removing a dead unborn child caused by spontaneous abortion; or (B) Removing an ectopic pregnancy. "
The point being the lady didn't have a spontaneous abortion, she took abortion pills. The law as written doesn't say what happens when you don't have a spontaneous abortion but are in need of a D&C ; is it legal or is it a felony ? As written, nobody cares if the fetus was already dead; the bible thumpers didn't think of that scenario or didn't care and left it out.
If they had clarified that abortion only applies to a living fetus, this wouldn't be a problem. If they had clarified that doctors could decide for themselves what is 'medically necessary' this wouldn't be a problem. If they had declared that the life of the mother supersedes all other concerns this wouldn't be a problem. But they didn't ... and they worded violation of this law as harshly as they could.
https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20192020/187013
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Christine Rosen made an anti-tech grave? I think tomb here should be tome.
It's more likely that Postrel did create an anti-tech grave than anything in the abortion story being accurate or even reality-adjacent.
I want to attend a Freak Off.
According to the indictment, Combs used his "power and prestige," along with "the pretense of a romantic relationship," to "lure" women to him.
Sounds a lot like Bill Clinton. No statute of limitations for these types of crimes, right?
And in Clinton’s case, it was an intern. Literally someone over whom he already had great power and professional influence.
Still, dude, it sounds like me.
Except I don’t have any power or prestige, but I’m perfectly happy to “lure” women with whatever I’ve got. Because that’s how it works. Be it looks, power, wealth, a sense of humor, a curiously sized penis, or even that her friends like you so she’ll make ’em jealous, women have their own reason for getting sexually involved, and men use whatever they have that makes the woman interested. In short, if a chick digs me for ANY reason, I lean into it. Because that’s how you get laid.
Also, with regards to puffer diggity, if you’re fucking ONLY because you think you’ll get a career bump for it, I have no sympathy. You’re just as shitty as a guy on the other end of that casting couch.
If you’re bummed that you aren’t marrying into a life of wealth and prestige, well maybe you shouldn’t have given up the cookies so easily. Tough shit.
If you’re working a wild sex orgy hoping that “romantic relationship” is a possibility for your efforts… well, you’re really fucking stupid. Tough shit.
I don’t know what are crimes, what aren’t, and I don’t expect Puffy is anything “good”, but nobody in this story is exactly a sympathetic victim.
How much paint thinner did you have to drink, Liz, in order to reconcile yourself with the fact that you were now obligated to write an article defending 'ol Sean here?
I'd bet that Freak Offs are even better than Bunga Bunga parties.