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Matt Gaetz Story Shifts From Child Sex Trafficking to Consorting With Sugar Babies

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In short order, the scandal surrounding Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) has gone from alleged child sex trafficking!!! to maybe he took MDMA and paid some adult women for sex. We still don't know all the details, and Gaetz may well turn out to have broken federal law. But it's telling that the focus of the story is already turning from sex trafficking of a minor to what looks, based on the details so far, like consensual activity among adults.

The New York Times originally broke the story of a possible Department of Justice (DOJ) probe into Gaetz by labeling it a "sex trafficking" investigation involving a 17-year-old girl whom the congressman allegedly had sex with and paid to travel with him. The Tuesday report quickly stirred up a journalism and social media frenzy in which Gaetz was roundly condemned as a sick sexual predator.

That may still be the case…but the latest report takes the story in a different direction. In a Thursday Times article on the DOJ probe, Gaetz's alleged relationship with a teen—a charge he denies—has been reduced to a much more minor and speculative role. Like the initial Times story, the new report is filtered through anonymous "people close to the investigation" without official statements or documents.

Whereas the first Times story made allegations involving a 17-year-old seem like the emphasis of the DOJ inquiry, the paper now says that officials are merely looking into the possibility of such a relationship existing, as part of prosecuting another Florida politician, ex-GOP official Joel Greenberg, for multiple crimes including alleged misconduct with the girl.

The bulk of the Times' new allegations against Gaetz involve sexual activity with consenting adults—activity that the paper now suggests is the real focus of the DOJ inquiry. Prosecutors are "focusing on [Gaetz and Greenberg's] involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments," the Times says. At the heart of this new narrative is a claim that Gaetz and Greenberg partied with women they met on sugar baby websites.

"Sugar" relationships—often involving wealthier men giving gifts to and/or subsidizing the lifestyles of pretty younger women in exchange for no-strings-attached relationships—and the websites that facilitate these arrangements are not strictly illegal. Like many escort businesses (and informal arrangements for time immemorial), they tend to be framed as "spoiling" and "support" in exchange for "companionship." In reality, sugar relationships tend to run the gamut, from deep connections that span realms to much more transactional exchanges of cash (or luxury items, or travel costs, etc.) in exchange for sexual trysts.

There's a long-standing debate over whether sugar babies are sex workers, and whether such relationships count as prostitution. But the only reason the distinction seems to matter is that it makes some parties involved feel better about themselves to pretend like there's a big difference and—more importantly—can mean the difference between the relationships being criminal or not. (The whole thing really showcases the silly and arbitrary nature of U.S. laws criminalizing sex work…)

In any event, Gaetz—who has denied ever paying for sex—is now accused by the Times of giving money to women with whom he may have done drugs and/or had sex.

The Times has reviewed receipts from Cash App, a mobile payments app, and Apple Pay that show payments from Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg to one of the women, and a payment from Mr. Greenberg to a second woman. The women told their friends that the payments were for sex with the two men, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

In encounters during 2019 and 2020, Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg instructed the women to meet at certain times and places, often at hotels around Florida, and would tell them the amount of money they were willing to pay, according to the messages and interviews.

One person said that the men also paid in cash, sometimes withdrawn from a hotel ATM.

Some of the men and women took ecstasy, an illegal mood-altering drug, before having sex, including Mr. Gaetz, two people familiar with the encounters said.

The identities of the people feeding the Times these stories seem like a pretty crucial factor in judging their veracity. If others in this story were caught possessing or selling drugs or engaging in prostitution, they would be on the hook for criminal charges themselves and may have an incentive to exaggerate the role of others in exchange for more lenient treatment.

For now, with the information we have, it seems possible that Gaetz and company were purchasing sex and/or drugs from the women, and also possible that there's an alternate explanation for all of this.

None of this should be construed as a defense of Gaetz per se, but it is a defense of due process, not rushing to judgment, and not taking mere investigations into misconduct (or prosecutor tales about them) as absolute truths. Unfortunately, that's a very unpopular position online and in the media.

Even as the narrative around Gaetz morphs into run-of-the-mill-scandal territory, a lot of people (including some folks who purport to be against the drug war and for the bodily autonomy of adult women) are divulging details of his alleged activities with the same level of disgust, urgency, and moral outrage they did over allegations involving minors. It seems that in their glee at having ammunition against Gaetz—a Trump stan and highly visible rising Republican politician—way too many liberals are willing to infantilize adult women and portray drug use and consensual relationships with sex workers as deviant and beyond the pale.

A slew of other rumors about Gaetz's allegedly unsavory (but not necessarily criminal) behavior and sexual antics have also been making the media and social media rounds.

Meanwhile, the Times is still trying hard to work this story into a sex trafficking framework. While reporting that the FBI stopped questioning the women involved back in January, acknowledging that "no charges have been brought against Mr. Gaetz," and failing to raise any information suggesting that the women involved were forced or coerced, the paper still adds this:

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Mr. Gaetz of trafficking the women under "force, fraud or coercion." For example, prosecutors have filed trafficking charges against people suspected of providing drugs in exchange for sex because feeding another person's drug habit could be seen as a form of coercion.

It's yet another attempt to negate adult women's agency in service of redefining all sex work as "sex trafficking" and give federal police more domain over the private sex lives of consenting adults.

Over the past decade or so, the funding, political enthusiasm, and public appetite for "stopping sex trafficking" has outpaced the actual supply of such crimes, leading the feds to increasingly test and expand the parameters of what they can get away with in policing under this rubric.

Prostitution itself is not a federal crime, so if the FBI wants to stay involved in the Gaetz case, they have a vested interest in trying to define this as involving force, fraud, or coercion. In order for a federal sex trafficking charge to exist, commercial sex must be accompanied by either one of these elements or the presence of someone under age 18.

If no force, fraud, coercion, or minors were involved but Gaetz or Greenberg did pay for sex workers to cross state lines, they could be looking at federal charges under part one of the Mann Act. This is a law frequently used to harass sex workers and their associates and justify FBI surveillance and stings against them—not something to be cheered on just because its target may be someone you don't like.

Gaetz has said that he is aware of the DOJ looking into him but that he is not the target of an investigation, merely a potential witness regarding the alleged activities of Greenberg (who goes on trial for one count of sex trafficking and a wide array of non-sex-related charges this June).


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  1. Lol. Why is the headline about Goetz on not the appearance of ex DoJ/intelligence officials attempting extortion the focus? Weird choice.

    Just a weird story. Could be both guilty and extortion as well. But the extortion angle seems pretty damning. And who am the doj/fbi is leaking to the NYT still? Seems a major abuse of power.

      1. Super weird and totally unexpected that the NYT changes its story after other outlets do some actual journalisming.

        Super weird and totally unexpected that ENB equivocates throughout the entire article about Gaetz, instead of just calling out the NYT’s bullshit story accusing him of being a child sex predator.

        ENB, you hack, can you PLEASE, for a single minute, get some fucking integrity and admit you pounced on a largely unsourced story because you hate Republicans and rush to pile on every bullshit story about them, no matter how outrageous or absurd, and you were personally delighted in painting Gaetz as a child sex predator because it fits your narrative. You consistently back the wrong fucking horse, over and over again, and your takes are hot garbage.

        The NYT is never going to hire you, and you’re never going to be allowed in the Elite Club. You’re the help to them, just another useful idiot peddling their bullshit, and when they’re done with you, they’ll stuff you wherever the stuffed Cindy Sheehan.

        1. Yea ENB is a complete joke. In fact Reason as a whole may be better at satire than the Babylon Bee.

          1. This whole fucking magazine is a joke. The Foundation needs to swear off Koch money and fire everyone except for Gillespie and Robby.

            I miss old Reason so fucking much.

            1. So, go away. Stop torturing yourself.

              1. No, you fuck off and take your corporatist simps with you.

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                  1. I also miss the old crazies like White Indian. Those crazies were fun crazies. The current crazies really suck. Their crazy isn’t even fun crazy.

              2. And you should kill yourself. Yet you still breathe.

                Dee, you bitch!

            2. Maybe keep Tuccile and Rommelmann. She did some solid reporting on the antifa riots. But yeah, the rest of these disgraceful hacks need to go. It’s become a dumpster fire. I miss old Reason, too.

              1. David Harsanyi was too beautiful for this place….

              2. Rommelmen is a lying far right cunt.

                Can that cunt.

                She belongs in the poorhouse with her loser husband.

                1. You’re a communist traitor who should be executed.

        2. “in which Gaetz was roundly condemned as a sick sexual predator.
          That may still be the case…”

          It’s hilarious how Reason’s designated Prostitution Promoter gets so salty when a man dates a young woman.

          17. Legal in Georgia.
          Why are the “libertarians” at Reason smearing Gaetz as “may still be” a sex predator?

          Oh yeah, I forgot. It’s not the 2000s anymore. Reason got off the libertarian train a long time ago.

          1. A sex predator is a good character for a man. Most rape should be legalized.

            Women should be exploited by men. They should lower the age of consent to no older than 7.

            All men in prison for sexual assault of women should be released immediately. Larry Nassar should be pardoned. So should Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, R Kelly and the millions of other guys locked up for rape. All of them should be released and what they did shouldn’t be a crime.

    1. For some reason, this isn’t a story about the Biden regime persecuting a popular opposition candidate, it’s a story about how unsavory the opposition to the Biden regime is.

      1. And the attempt in the lede to shame him for behavior and an industry ENB usually supports.

        1. Great story for ENB. She gets to rant about sex workers, while also disparaging one of her political enemies!

          1. Did you read any of what she wrote. She said exactly the opposite: that people who support women’s right to choose sex work should not be jumping on Gaetz for paying for sex just because they don’t like him.

            She says almost literally those words.

            1. You should see her twitter where she publicly says the opposite. Linked below.

              I know you think of yourself as an ENB whisperer in your mad dash to save her from the evil commenters and all.

              1. So, you not only bitch and complain about her here, you go to the trouble of following her on Twitter, too. Because you really like spending your time following the writing of a writer you don’t like.

                You are weird.

                1. It was posted below, as said in the post you fucking idiot.

                  1. Dee is so goddamned stupid.

                2. Dee, you bitch!

            2. “The Tuesday report quickly stirred up a journalism and social media frenzy in which Gaetz was roundly condemned as a sick sexual predator.

              That may still be the case…”

              “A slew of other rumors about Gaetz’s allegedly unsavory (but not necessarily criminal) behavior and sexual antics have also been making the media and social media rounds.”

              1. Way to cherry pick. Odd you didn’t include this quote:

                “Even as the narrative around Gaetz morphs into run-of-the-mill-scandal territory, a lot of people (including some folks who purport to be against the drug war and for the bodily autonomy of adult women) are divulging details of his alleged activities with the same level of disgust, urgency, and moral outrage they did over allegations involving minors. It seems that in their glee at having ammunition against Gaetz—a Trump stan and highly visible rising Republican politician—way too many liberals are willing to infantilize adult women and portray drug use and consensual relationships with sex workers as deviant and beyond the pale.”

                1. “way too many liberals are willing to infantilize adult women and portray drug use and consensual relationships with sex workers as deviant and beyond the pale.”

                  Right, which is why I said:
                  “She gets to rant about sex workers, while also disparaging one of her political enemies!”

                  So I “cherry picked” the part where she disparaged her political enemies because you said she didn’t. Then you “cherry picked” the part where she ranted about sex work.

                  Which is funny, because I said she did both.

                2. Dee, you bitch!

            3. ‘in which Gaetz was roundly condemned as a sick sexual predator.
              That may still be the case…’

              That’s why she’s accusing him of being a sex predator.

      2. Probably because the investigation apparently started under Barr.

        1. What investigation though?
          Gaetz said he’s not under any investigation, just a potential witness, and the rest of the NYT’s story seems to be falling to pieces as other papers start looking into it.

        2. So you missed the NYT saying it was an inquiry and not an investigation?

          1. Ok, seems like a semantic difference, which anyway was started under Barr, and then leaked by NYT. So what supports a story of Biden persecuting an opponent?

            1. It isnt a semantic difference. Sorry you dont know that.

              1. He’s very ignorant.

                1. Dweeb!

              2. Well, pardon me. I suppose you just walk around knowing the exact and very important difference between “inquiry” and “investigation” despite having no professional connection to criminal justice? Or are you involved in criminal justice and just lording your knowledge of jargon over laymen? Either way, ooookkkkkkkkk bbbbbuuudddddyyyyy.

                “Inquiry and Investigation- The Code of Criminal Procedure (CrPC) renders a separate and specific definition for both the terms, however owing to their dictionary meaning the two words are often confused and used interchangeably.”

                https://www.vakilno1.com/legal-news/criminal-law-difference-between-inquiry-and-investigation.html

                Go ahead and lay out exactly what difference between the two is germane to this story. How does the substitution for one word convey different meaning to the laypeople reading than the other word?

                1. Shorter DOL: I was wrong, but that’s ok.

                  1. I would do shorter R Mac, but that’s not possible. You say so little.

                    1. I said enough above to show you’re a dishonest shit. Then again I just used your own cites to do it, so I guess I didn’t have to say much.

                    2. Jeffy is very dishonest. Especially his stolen valor.

                  2. Lol. So sad to watch day after day.

              3. Oh, and by the way, this whole semantics conversation is a red herring for you to distract from the initial point I brought up: BARR FUCKING INITIATED IT!

                  1. Barr didn’t initiate it. He was informed of it. Let’s see how he backs out of this one. Lol.

                  2. The NYT story we are all discussing, and google is your friend.

                    But here, I can spoon feed the baby:

                    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-barr-avoided-matt-gaetz-doj-sex-trafficking-investigation-2021-4

                    1. “Former Attorney General Bill Barr actively avoided Rep. Matt Gaetz in public while the Justice Department was conducting a sex-trafficking investigation into the Florida representative, Politico reported.”

                      Checks the Politico link:

                      “Barr and the Office of the Attorney General received multiple briefings on the Gaetz probe, beginning in the summer of 2020, a second person familiar with the probe said. They encouraged Florida prosecutors to move as quickly as they needed to and take whatever steps were appropriate. The briefings were consistent with Barr’s memo requiring notification to department leadership on probes of candidates. The briefing was important because — among other reasons — Barr didn’t want to accidentally appear anywhere with Gaetz, the person said.”

                      You keep acting like googling things proves your points. Here’s a hint: you should actually read them, then you won’t look like as much of a dishonest piece of shit.

                    2. So the investigation,

                      oh fuck sorry, I almost made a HUGE ERROR THAT WOULD NEGATE THE ENTIRE MEANING,

                      “inquiry” started under Barr, not Biden, right?

                      Thank you. I rest my case.

                    3. “BARR FUCKING INITIATED IT!”

                      Can’t stop lying.

                    4. Also funny you complained about the semantic argument, I didn’t say anything about the semantic argument, so in response you brought up…the semantic argument.

                      You really can’t help yourself.

                1. Your post just above shows it isnt semantics dummy.

                  1. It literally shows that it is semantics. Go look up the word ‘semantics’. Unless you explain the difference and how it is meaningful in this context, then we are merely talking semantics and not talking about the underlying topic.

                    The lay definitions are the same. It is only technical definitions, used only by professionals working in criminal justice where there are still minor differences.

                    This is the same shit you guys always do. You have lost the main point: Bill Barr started this INQUIRY (happy?), therefor, Biden did not start this as a hit job. That’s what we are discussing, which you have apparently no answer to, other than to obsess over ‘inquiry’ vs ‘investigation’.

                    Call it whatever you want, it does not matter. Or can you explain why it matters, as you have failed to do so far?

                2. It was like Mother’s Lament lately making a big deal over whether Sidney Powell made a legal argument in her own defense, or whether her lawyer made the argument. Yes, technically, her lawyer made the argument, not her — and it doesn’t matter.

                  1. You’re such a dishonest fuck, it’s absolutely amazing.

                    If a different person says something about you, unless it’s known that you have endorsed it, you’re not the one who said it.

                    I’m seeing more of how you think now.
                    Reality doesn’t mean shit to you.
                    You’ll just twist and twist and twist it until you’ve got something that you can comport with your narrative. “Somebody who works for somebody else said something about the latter, so it’s what the latter said”.

                    So repugnant, so utterly dishonest.

                    1. You know you’re an accomplished asshole when you can elicit profanity from a Canadian.

                      That is really when you need to get off the internet and figure out a new course in life

                    2. It is you trying to deflect from the ridiculous arguments that were made, by dwelling on the unimportant detail that a lawyer’s lawyer made the ridiculous arguments rather than the lawyer herself.

                      It must hurt how stupid her lawyer’s argument makes you and others who bought into her bullshit look.

                    3. This is like your stupid CALCALLLs horseshit.
                      Even though it makes you sound like a clown, you were so totally invested and thought you were so clever that you can never let it go.

                      No matter how you twist it, a lawyers description of his client is not the clients statement. You’re just embarrassing yourself now, clownshow.
                      Another narrative went *poof*, learn to let it go.

    2. And still ENB is refusing to address the rumor I heard that Gaetz fucked a chicken. What is she trying to hide?

      1. Florida. So 50/50 chance that is correct.

        1. Siv got elected to office?

          1. Puts a new spin on, “Marry, fuck, kill,” doesn’t it?

        2. Thought bestiality was a WV thing.

          1. It’s probably a Biden thing. They’re already into incest. Maybe their dog bites everyone because of the PTSD Joe caused from fucking it.

    3. But the extortion angle seems pretty damning.
      yeah, but you can’t make Goetz out to be the bad guy using that.

    4. Reason bought the Russian Collusion story.

      1. And Blasey-Ford’s patently obvious nonsense.

        It’s all easy once you want to believe.

    5. Probably because you shouldn’t take everything the accused says at face value.

      What is more likely- he is being extorted or that he did do something wrong and somehow is the only rep to vote against a human trafficking bill?

      He doesn’t have to be guilty but I’m certainly not taking his word at any more value than the DOJ’s.

      1. By DOJ you mean anonymous NYT sources.

        1. Probably because you shouldn’t take anything raspberry posts at face value.

          Fifty-center’s going to fifty-cent.

      2. But you’ll take the NYT’s word that they are actually in touch with the DoJ? When the NYT’s only wants to cite “anonymous sources”, you maybe should be curious as to why they’re anonymous. (Especially after the “highly-placed anonymous administration official” who wrote the Resistance editorial turned out to be an intern for an assistant deputy vice-chair or some such shit – a gofer in other words.)

        1. Since 2016, “anonymous source” is almost always mediaspeak for “we’re making it up”.

      3. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-laptop-certainly-could-be-mine

        Now get on your knees and start sucking you ignorant liberal cuck.

      4. The DoJ hasn’t released their word dummy. An anonymous source has.

    6. JesseAZ, I’d add this to your comments. For someone who seems concerned for Congressman Gaetz’s due process rights, she is devoting an awful lot of journalistic space to these anonymous allegations. That is the way that ENB and people who think like her roll these days.

      They pay lip service to principles, and deliberately choose to ignore them.

      1. Does ENB even pay lip service to the principle of due process?

        1. Why would she? Lip service isn’t a dude that could advance her career.

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    10. Yes, I’m honestly astounded, (OK, not really, it’s Reason, after all.) that they could talk about this at such length, and never mention that Gaetz says he was being extorted with the threat to hit him with public accusations about this, and that he can prove it.

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  2. https://twitter.com/NYScanner/status/1377835457724157954?s=19

    Leftwing activists targeted a Lower Manhattan restaurant tonight by storming the place before breaking windows while people were eating dinner

    1. I wish we could make Escape From New York real.

      1. Especially the part about the wall around it – – – – –

        1. I’ve always supported a humane alternative to wholesale slaughter of progressivekind. Just so long as we are rd of them forever.

    2. Not terrorism! Just forced participation in political events. Opposite of jan 6th.

      1. Their silence was violence! The activists were just defending themselves.

    3. The comments enrage me.
      “Where is the video of the glass being broken? i dont buy it”
      “how do we know they are left wing”

      1. You found WK’s twitter account?!?

    4. People need to start hiring big transgender black women to beat the ever loving shit out of the progs whenever they pull this shit.

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  3. Maricopa County doing everything they can to make the election audit difficult. Refuses to allow audits on the warehouses that currently contain ballots which will allow them to question results as ballots have to be moved. This is after 3 months of lawsuits disallowing an audit, ultimately having courts reprimand Maricopa County that the senate is standing

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-republicans-rage-over-emergency-meeting-maricopa-county-after-election-auditors-hired

    1. Sounds like a judge needs to toss someone in jail for contempt, or this audit won’t ever really happen.

    2. Warehouse fire in 3, 2, 1…

      1. The broken pipe worked so good the first time they can probably go with that.

    3. This censorship and resistance indicates is that the election really was stolen.

  4. In local news, the Georgia house has voted to strip Delta of a lucrative tax break over Delta’s CEO comments on Georgia election law.

    In the meantime, I’m riding up to Atlanta to see about catching a flight out on Delta without showing an ID and we’ll see how that goes.

    1. Both the delta and CEO casually dropped the word equity in their statements. Just embarrassing for a CEO.

      1. Delta and Coke CEOs*

      2. Becoming Hollywood East does have some side effects.

    2. Imagine if Delta shopped around for a new main hub? I imagine they would be called racists for doing so.

      1. The problem is that Atlanta is a major piece in the hub-and-spoke system, and that airport was basically built specifically to support Delta’s ops. I suppose they could move those over to Houston or maybe up to Charlotte or Nashville, but the former is already pretty packed and I doubt the latter two have the capacity to support them.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if they look to move their company HQ if this passes, though.

        1. Denver left plenty of room for expansion.

  5. “How would abortion access in the U.S. change if Roe v. Wade were overturned?”

    If the SUPER-PRECEDENT Roe v. Wade gets overturned, this country will literally become The Handmaid’s Tale. So we need to support Democratic plans to expand the Supreme Court so that doesn’t happen.

    #SaveRoe

    1. What do we call Europe since they already have bans as early as 6 weeks? Wouldn’t we be the sequel?

      1. 16 weeks*

    2. I’ve heard that if the 2A were amended, nothing would change, because it would merely allow states to start banning guns. States like Texas would have nothing to worry about.

      Seems like overturning Roe v Wade would be just as unnoticeable.

      1. If Democrats truly valued Roe v Wade and women’s right to abortion, they would enact Roe v Wade into federal statute (since they now control the White House, House and Senate).

        The Democrats had similar windows of opportunity to do the same during the Clinton and Obama administrations, but never did so (and the left wing women’s rights activists never lobbied for it).

        But if Roe v Wade (or something similar) was enacted into federal law, many women would no longer vote Democrat.

        Seems like Democrats want to keep using Roe v Wade as an election issue (to keep women voting Democrat).

        1. It’s almost as though the never ending threat of RvW getting overturned can be used as an incredibly effective fundraising tactic. I’m sure they wouldn’t be that cynical though…….

    3. If the vaccine makes women sterile, hand maid tale will be underway regardless.

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    1. They put porn filters on government networks. He is bored.

    2. I guess you didn’t see the headline on the article – it’s Republicans, all of them, that are going after OnlyFans, not just one of them.

      1. Where we go one, we go all.

      2. ENB is seriously stuck in 1992 when it comes to her anti-pornography enemies list.

  7. The Biden administration won’t stop lying about Georgia’s voting bill…

    Gonna put y’all back in chains.

    1. You have to remember that 120 years ago when Joe was first elected, Jim Crow laws were a very real threat.

      1. Joe’s much older than that. Republicans had him scrubbed from the creation story in Genesis for political reasons.

      2. What about the Jim Eagle laws?

        1. Jim Eagle laws are far worse than “Separate but Equal” and the resegregation of the Civil Service were.
          Presenting ID to vote, like you’re some sort of Dutchman or Aussie, is literally the Klan.

    2. So you’re telling me that democrat presidents lie, too?

      Mind. Blown.

  8. Hunter admits laptop is probably his.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nypost/status/1377964256738615298

    Just a day after neutral NLR stated the laptop was verified to be false in an article yesterday.

      1. It’s hilarious that you guys see reputable sources issuing retractions as proof they are not reputable. Retractions are proof they are reputable. It is proof they are trying to get the facts right. Unlike The Federalist, PJ Media, InfoWars, Breitbart, etc. that you guys prefer because they coddle your feelings and don’t challenge your preconceptions.

        1. You’re defending what you call a reputable new station saying the following:

          discredited by U.S. intelligence and independent investigations by news organizations,

          Because they later retracted after major blow back? LOL.

          And then you state:
          you guys prefer because they coddle your feelings and don’t challenge your preconceptions.

          When the only coddling was NPR lying about what news agencies and intelligence agencies actually said.

          My god man, do you sense the irony?

          The statement originally made was false at face value and it was printed. You are defending this since they later fixed it. LOL.

          1. Did they lie, as in they knew the truth and then printed something else, or did they receiving information which later turned out to be false?

            It’s also just a line from a book review. About a familial relationship who has no job in government. So yeah, a non story to begin with. You guys mostly seems upset that no one else gives a shit about Hunter, and are trying to blow this up into some huge issue. Everyone else does not see the importance. It might be important if Joe Biden was a nepotist, like Trump. But it seems he is not. So what?

            >Revised now is a line in the review of the upcoming memoir, Beautiful Things: A Memoir, which details the 51-year-old’s battle with drug addiction. Where it once said the laptop story was “discredited by U.S. intelligence and independent investigations by news organizations,” has been replaced with a line that says: “Numerous news organizations cast doubt on the credibility of the laptop story.”<

            1. or did they receiving information which later turned out to be false?

              Fer fuck’s sake, other than putting words together in the correct order, verifying news before printing it is their only fucking job. Unverified stories are a) gossip or b) lies. Printing gossip and lies is propaganda, not news. You are decrying people for pointing this out?

              Go collect your $.50, cunt, you put in the work.

              1. Where do I sign up to get paid to call you out on your bullshit?

                Racist piece of shit

            2. There was no fucking information to recieve. No intelligence agency or major investigation proved the laptop was fake. That was made up whole cloth.

              My God man, stop digging.

              1. He’s here to lie, so, he lies.

              2. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

                There were many intel officials casting doubt. It is easy to see how this is a very simple and frankly non material mistake in one line that is within a fucking book review. It’s not like it was a headline. It was a book review. That is what you guys are getting all hyper over.

                1. “More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

                  The first paragraph. “Former”, and “their belief”. “Classic earmarks”.

                  It’s an article about the opinion of former intelligence agents who admit that they have no evidence to support it.

                  Seriously DOL, you really need to start reading the things you link too. You make yourself look like a jackass.

                  1. He doesn’t think at all lol. He is jeff. He googles a headline and doesn’t read and think about the contents.

            3. “You guys mostly seems upset that no one else gives a shit about Hunter,”

              I don’t think you could have characterized it better. Through the years the White House has been associated with questionable relatives. Billy Carter always stands out as in this field although by no means alone. Do we care? No. Same for Hunter lets move on.

              1. There’s a difference between having a messed up relative whom you’ve mostly disowned versus having a messed up relative whom you use to skirt campaign finance laws (among other things).

        2. Hey Stolen Valor, you bullshit fifty-center, nice distraction attempt, but:
          1. Those websites you listed do issue retractions.
          2. The NPR’S (deliberate) lie was the same one previously used by the oligarchs to censor the NYPost and millions of other people from talking about it before the election.

          You’re such a dishonest douchebag. How you can stand yourself is beyond me.

          1. He’s a sociopath.

            1. Yeah, well you’re a dweeb.

          2. Hey now. He has challenge medals that are sold online to prove himself.

            1. The knife isn’t, the certificate isn’t, and I don’t think you’d be able to find at least one of the coins I put in the pic for sale. It was from the USASFC Deputy Commander.

              And talcum_x, whom you have already unironically thanked for his service and accepted his service claim at face value has vetted me. https://reason.com/2021/04/01/violent-crime-in-baltimore-plunges-after-city-ditches-prosecution-of-prostitution-drug-possession-other-minor-offenses/#comment-8836381

              As has Barack_Obama, whom you also accepted his claim of military service at face value.

              Isn’t it funny you have no proof of valor demands from people who do not criticize Trump. In fact you thank them for their service! So why do you demand that I provide you with my real name? Well, that is quite transparent.

              1. Lol. me pointing out the flaws in your proof is a melt down? Lol.

                Fucking hilarious. Waiting on a name buddy.

                The irony here is that if you ever grow the balls to actually prove you went through training im just going to switch to calling you Col Vindman, who went through training but is a dishonest lying pitiful piece of shit who isn’t fit for uniform.

                And given that, he has never called a 10 year veteran a traitor who deserved to be shot for trespassing like you have.

                You seem to really care about this when it doesn’t change who the fuck you are. A lying lefty piece of shit. Lol.

                But it is important. So once again. Name. You said you only trusted 3 posters. Give your name to one of them sweetie.

                1. Jesse, you avoided the bet for ..I dunno, 2 years, more? And now you suddenly have this demand that I tell you my name, on a public and anonymous forum, otherwise I must be stealing valor. Oh, and you came up with this requirement only after I stated that the one thing I would not do is drop my name.

                  You are so transparent. You are lucky you have a few mental dimwits to cheer you on. Because to normal people, you are incredibly obvious and scummy.

                  1. You’re a liar and a fraud.

                    I’ve reported you to the Stolen Valor hunters. We’ll see what they come up with.
                    https://www.facebook.com/StolenValor/

                    1. Go fuck a dog.

                      I’m shaking rn.

                    2. Haha, lying fuck.

        3. “”It is proof they are trying to get the facts right. “”

          That should happen before you publish the article.

          As we all know, saying sorry only after you are caught is nothing more than being sorry that you were caught.

          1. You demand infallibility. That is impossible.

            1. Fucking liar. He is demanding journalistic ethics. It certainly seems like that is impossible for the lefty media.

              1. You have no credibility Chuck. You belong to a discredited church and worship a perv god.

                Shut your racist ass up

            2. It was an outrightie dumbfuck.

            3. “”You demand infallibility.””

              Wrong. Demanding that journalist actually fact check before they publish, is not demanding infallibility. It’s demanding responsibility.

              1. And when they inevitably make a mistake, or are told something that turns out to not be true…..then what? Because human endeavors are never going to be perfect.

                1. It wasn’t a mistake dummy. It was a fabricated lie.

                  1. That’s an assumption. A big one.

                    1. The ones making the mistake lying was actively trying to discredit the truth, or at least the narrative that is closer to it. They were not interested about the truth. They were interested in pushing another Russian angle knowing it would titillate the anti-Trump crowd and they would accept it without question. That doesn’t sound like a mistake.

                    2. They know they can fool idiots like DOL with “Russia!!!”, so that’s what they do.

                2. If they made a mistake after a good faith effort of discovering the truth that would be different.

                  Believing unnamed sources at their word without verifying the claims is not a good faith effort.

                  There was no proof ever that the Hunter Biden story was a Russian intel op, or even a Russian fabrication.

                  1. But but but…FORMER intelligence officials had a hunch!

                    1. The funny thing is the DNI called BS on it.

                      “”In reality, then-Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said the opposite when the laptop became news in October. Speaking in reference to Democrats who floated the idea that the laptop could be part of a Russian “disinformation” campaign, “Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign,” Ratcliffe said in an interview at the time.””

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/npr-corrects-claim-that-hunter-biden-story-was-discredited-by-intelligence-community/ar-BB1ffvxC?ocid=msedgdhp

        4. They aren’t trying to get facts correct. They trade in misprinted lies.

      2. “Where it once said the laptop story was “discredited by U.S. intelligence and independent investigations by news organizations,” has been replaced with a line that says: “Numerous news organizations cast doubt on the credibility of the laptop story.”

        —-Washington Examiner

        LOL

        Where it used to read, “Mistakes weren’t made”, it now reads, “Mistakes were made”.

      1. And then nothing happened..

        1. Checking a box is the highest level of verification one can obtain. Why democrats support box checking youre a citizen when registering to voter rather than other forms of proof.

    1. The Russians have even gotten to Hunter himself. What a dastardly disinformation campaign indeed.

      1. We should totally go to war with them before they dig any further into this country.

    2. What difference, at this point, does it make?

      1. What difference did it ever make?

        Who cares what someone’s son does if that son is never let near the levers of power. That’s why Trump’s nepotism was against our norms and generally not a good idea. Nepotism and corruption go hand in hand. The answer is not to examine every politician’s every familial relation, but to prevent politicians from hiring their relatives in the first place.

        1. “Nepotism and corruption go hand in hand.”

          For proof of this statement, try getting a solid union job without having connections.

          1. “Who cares what someone’s son does if that son is never let near the levers of power.”

            LOL

            1. I mean it. Quit treating politicians like royalty. The Trump family occupying several government jobs and being given security clearances they would never have been given without that relationship was outside the norm, and for good reason. Now we no longer need to examine every candidates every familial relation.

              1. Ypure arguing the Hunter story is nothing despite the appearance of multiple felonies. Who is treating who like royalty SV?

          2. Long Beach Longshoremen is a great gig, if your dad had it.

            1. Unfortunately, my Dad was an independent truck driver. Sooooooo, military.

        2. That’s nice of you, SV, and the left wing media to make that decision for all the peasants before the election. If you guys say it’s not important for people to know about it, then people shouldn’t know about it.

          And you’re not a lefty!

          1. They do “get to know about it” that’s why you all won’t stop talking about it. I’m sorry that not every publication shared your view of the importance of Hunter Biden’s laptop. That’s something you’re just going to have to come to grips with. And it does not require a conspiracy or even hidden motives to explain.

            1. “before the election”

              Did SV block the story from the washington post before the election or not?

              1. Shhh. He is the defender of the altruistic media that feeds him his narratives. Fuck facts, he has narratives.

  9. It’s hard for any White House to admit error, especially when the president has three times repeated the falsehood. But this is becoming a pretty deep hole.

    Journalists far and wide making it hard not to admit the “error” would be nice.

    1. who are these journalists you speak of?

  10. Yikes—Vermont is now issuing COVID-19 vaccinations based on race…

    Fauci ouchie is a woke poke.

    1. Phil Scott, the Republican governor, apparently agrees.

      1. Like it’s going to be any different.

        Vermont:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcUOUYzDXA

    2. Using people of color as guinea pigs.

      1. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the angle.

    3. On what basis? There are more cows than people in Vermont.

    4. Well vaccinating all the blacks in Vermont should only take about 15 minutes.

      1. Vaccinating the ones that want it will take about 7 minutes.

    5. This is why everyone should start checking every box on the race and gender inquiry. What are they going to do, prove that I’m not Asian, Native American, Black, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, White, Gay, Queer, Lesbian, Trans, and 1/10th Wheaten Terrier? That sounds costly and time consuming.
      Bring it on. I will show up dressed like several characters from the Village People and do a Hip-Hop Rain Dance in the court room while screeching, “First you took my freedom, then my land, now you want my identity”!

  11. Biden continues to show why he deserved all those Reason.com staff endorsements.

    In 2021 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour

    In 2021 Reason.com benefactor Charles Koch’s net worth has increased by: $4.87 billion

    Mr. Koch earned $161,000,000 yesterday. That’s what happens when the government no longer engages in the racist practice of “border enforcement,” so highly-skilled Mexicans can move here and get jobs with Koch Industries.

    #GetReadyForTheKochComeback

    1. Did you expect him to be hanging around with Obama before his untimely death? I have to think that their “close” relationship was formed postmortem.

      1. No, it just is more evidence that it is easily estimated he swallowed a stash before the arrest like he previously had a year prior.

  12. Efforts by democrats and CRT pushing segregation seem to be a big hit with racists.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/culture/scott-walker-ironic-dems-are-fine-vaccine-passports-photo-id-vote-racist

    1. It’s not ironic at all. They just haven’t changed in the last 200 years.

  13. In any event, Gaetz—who has denied ever paying for sex—is now accused by the Times of giving money to women with whom he may have done drugs and/or had sex.

    Damn, if my wife ever decides to testify against me I’m fucked.

    1. Usually this site supports paid sex and drugs. Let’s watch.

      1. Yes, but only if they’re in the correct party.

        1. ENB is not a Democrat!

          1. She is a budding communist.

    1. I will never understand why people think what “celebrities “ say is important.

      1. The problem is that they are surrounded by the woke. They never leave the coasts. They don’t meet normal people.
        If I were a celebrity, I would refuse to play. I would simply say, “I am only concerned with my art, I’m a Thespian, not a politician”.

    2. I assume it’s mostly woke businesses that sign on to this garbage.

    3. I was wondering how our social credit/good citizen score would be branded. Now I know.

  14. If you or anyone in your household identifies as Black, Indigenous, or a person of color (BIPOC), including anyone with Abenaki or other First Nations heritage…

    If they offer the vaccine on a blanket…

  15. The Biden administration won’t stop lying about Georgia’s voting bill:
    Like when ENB, and also Amash through quotation, lied about the bill making it illegal to have water in voting lines?

    1. She’s not a journalist, she’s just summarizing what other people are saying, so it’s ok if she lies.

      – Dee

  16. “Today I’m writing the U.S. Attorney General requesting an investigation into @OnlyFans for promoting, and profiting from, online prostitution.”
    Why is promoting, etc. prostitution within the jurisdiction of the US Attn Gen if prostitution isn’t illegal under federal law?

  17. How would abortion access in the U.S. change if Roe v. Wade were overturned?

    We’re overturning Roe v. Wade now?

    1. It unfair to those who cannot get pregnant.

  18. Yikes—Vermont is now issuing COVID-19 vaccinations based on race:

    This has been happening for months… and is now extended to welfare bonus payments.

  19. I don’t understand the importance of the Gaetz story–other than as a distraction from more important issues.

    The Biden administration has agreed to meet with the Iranians to capitulate to their violations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and reinstate their ability to enrich their own uranium on a schedule to be determined later.

    The Biden administration is introducing most of the provisions of the Green New deal under the guise of $3.2 trillion spending on infrastructure, and they’ve threatened to support the Democrats nuking the filibuster if the Republicans try to use it.

    . . . but let’s talk about this Gaetz guy.

    This was the genius of some of Trump’s more obnoxious tweets. Whatever attention the media paid to Trump’s tweets was more time they didn’t spend talking about the more important and controversial things Trump was doing with policy. I wasn’t distracted by Trump’s tweets then, and I’m not distracted by running some sex scandal up the flagpole now.

    It’s time to push the panic button on the Biden administration–no matter what’s true or false about Gaetz.

    1. Ken, they’d have to admit they were short sighted and wrong if they did that.

    2. As long as Bill Clinton remains a respected, admired and lauded member of the Democratic community, I don’t want to hear about the sexual peccadillos of minor GOP operatives.

      1. Jesse Walker’s book about conspiracy theories might tell us that even if the conspiracy theory in question tells us nothing else about what’s really happening in the world and why, it tell us something about the people who believe them and are fascinated by them. Some people are apparently really into distracting us with salacious stories!

        Like I was saying the other week, when our ideas are grounded in principles, the facts in any particular story don’t really matter. It can be against our best interests to invade Iraq–even if Saddam Hussein really were looking for yellowcake in Niger. The principle that we shouldn’t go against our interests doesn’t change depending on what Saddam Hussein or anyone else does. When we obsess over the facts of these stories, we become beholden to facts that may not really matter.

        My ideas about opposing Biden and the Democrats are grounded in principles like liberty, justice, capitalism, America’s security interests, etc. None of them hinged on whether Epstein really committed suicide back when Trump was elected, and none of them hinge on whether Gaetz did or didn’t do anything today.

        Yesterday I made an intentionally ridiculous statement about how we should all support Biden and the Democrats bailing out the states, their plans for gun control, and their Green New Deal–because so and so is perv. ChemJeff picked up on that “logic” with what he thought was a better conclusion–as if the logic itself weren’t ridiculously stupid from the get-go–because that’s the way these people “think”.

        The news media is full of shit in all sorts of different ways, and one of the worst is in the way they report unimportant facts as if they were important. For all I know, everything they’re reporting about Gaetz is completely false, but even if it all turns out to be true, what difference does it make? Even if we’re denouncing moral panics about human trafficking, there isn’t anything we should do differently in that regard regardless of whether Gaetz did or didn’t do anything. The stupidity of media fed moral panics should be resisted on principle regardless of the facts in any case.

        Meanwhile, the things everybody really should be upset about are really happening.

        1. “Like I was saying the other week, when our ideas are grounded in principles, the facts in any particular story don’t really matter. ”

          Let me check the GOP platform for those principles….

          “We support Trump. The End.”

          Didn’t find any, Ken.

          1. You manage to get worse with every idiotic post.
            Is Ken on the Republican Platform committee?
            If hebis, is he the only one with input in on the final draft?

            This of course ignores the fact that “platforms” are meaningless, and no matter what you think, they do outlinebprinciples, and you without any principles sstill lied about it, and I treated your infantile outburst with a million tomes the attention you deserve

            1. He is defending the choice to choose biden that he claims he didn’t make. It is weird.

          2. I agree with that, but in the same token, the platform of the Democrats is “we support people of color, especially women of color, white people are bad, the end”.

            1. It’s quite a bit more than that; it’s a 90 page document.
              https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

              Contrast that to the GOP’s single bullet point party platform made only after they were made to be embarrassed about it by the press. And they can’t help but put a spite mention in about the press in their already diminutive ‘platform’. Say what you will about dems vs GOP, the dems actually do homework. GOP is more into the culture war issues for the last several years than any policy or principle. Look no further than the failure to repeal and replace O-care as an example of the outcome of a lack of a mission statement, essentially.

              Here is the entirety of the 2020 GOP platform:

              As Adopted by the Republican National CommitteePaid for by the Republican National CommitteeNot Authorized By Any Candidate Or Candidate’s Committeewww.gop.com RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORMWHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) hassignificantly scaledback the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due tostrict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts; WHEREAS, The RNChas unanimously voted to foregothe Convention Committee on Platform,in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within theever-growing Republican movement;WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born,and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020,would haveundoubtedlyunanimously agreed to reassertthe Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;WHEREAS, The media has outrageously misrepresented the implications of the RNCnotadopting anew platform in 2020 and continues to engage in misleading advocacy for the failed policiesof the Obama-BidenAdministration,rather than providing the public with unbiased reporting of facts;andWHEREAS, The RNCenthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration,as well as those espoused by the DemocraticNational Committee today; therefore,be itRESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda; RESOLVED, That the2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platformuntil the 2024 Republican National Convention; RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates tothe strong support of the RNCfor President Trump and his Administration; andRESOLVED, That anymotion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.

              The 2016 GOP platform was about as in-depth as the dems. Went from 65 pages to one page. You can really see, in pure volume of principles and goals generated, how much Trump hollowed out the GOP philosophically.

              1. The platform calling put the GND. which is worse than almost anything a libertarian could support. You seem oddly fine with democrats. Unless you are a Democrat. Then it makes sense.

              2. Not a Democrat!

                1. I’m not. I’m pointing out that the GOP has really let themselves go. How are they gonna compete with Dems if they can’t even do their homework? Why are you guys accepting of such crap-level work and work ethic?

                  1. No you aren’t.

    3. As long as Bill Clinton remains a respected, admired and lauded member of the Democrat community, I don’t want to hear about the sexual peccadillos of minor GOP operatives.

      1. You can say that again!

      2. Exactly.
        Or if you voted for his sexually harassment enabling wife.

        1. “You know….”

    4. The importance is that Republicans bad, especially when the Democrats are driving this country off a cliff at full speed.

    5. notice no one is talking about Cuomo, thats what the Gaetz story is for all the other issues you mention the media rarely covers anyway

    6. Let’s not forget China threatening Japan over their disputed islands and Russia threatening to invade Ukraine, those things are no indication whatsoever that Russia and China regard Biden as a weak puppet and a paper tiger.

      1. Why would the US get involved in the Ukraine? When I went to school in Kiev, the Ukraine was a mess. I was told that the best thing that they could hope for at the time was a coup or to rejoin Russia. It has only gotten worse. The Ukraine was not ready to be on their own. They still aren’t.
        Why don’t we worry about the internal threat that we have here. We have cities to rebuild and Anarchists that need to be cowed.

        1. How was Kiev?

    7. Distractions are important, and Goetz is a Repub.

    8. I don’t understand the importance of the Gaetz story–other than as a distraction from more important issues.

      Politician + Sex and/or Drugs = $$$

    9. “The Biden administration has agreed to meet with the Iranians to capitulate to their violations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and reinstate their ability to enrich their own uranium on a schedule to be determined later.”

      Oh? Got a source stating that Biden intends to let them enrich uranium?

      And what is with your war boner for Iran? Do you think they are gonna nuke us, even if they somehow got one? Don’t you want peace?

      The fact of the matter is that Trump removed the US from the international deal that limited Iran’s enrichment capability. Biden is putting that plan back into action, together with our allies. Instead of alone, and hostile, and with no mechanism to enforce non-enrichment other than yelling on twitter or actual violence.

      1. Oh? Got a source stating that Biden intends to let them enrich uranium?

        The last agreement with Iran that Biden was involved with.

      2. The original Iran deal let them enrich uranium…

        This is utterly amazing to watch. Please tell us how informed you are.

      3. NSC spokesman Robert Palladino said the most notable Iranian violations of the JCPO involved exceeding limits on heavy water stockpiles in 2016.

        “Iran has also regularly pushed the boundaries of the deal, for example failing to meet expectations on its operation of advanced centrifuges, as the president highlighted in his speech on October 13, 2017,” he said.

        https://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-violated-nuclear-deal-bolton-says/

      4. Among the major flaws contained within the JCPOA are the sunset clauses, which have granted Iran an internationally recognized path to nuclear weapons. Under the agreement’s sunset clauses, key restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program expire. For instance, in October 2023, the proscription on manufacturing advanced centrifuges is lifted, which will allow Iran to build centrifuges that enrich uranium at a faster pace than the ones currently in operation.

        Beginning in 2026, Iran will be allowed to begin operating these advanced centrifuges. Likewise, Iran will no longer be limited to 5,060 IR-1 centrifuges that it currently uses for enriching uranium and will be able to operate as many of these centrifuges as it wishes. Iran having more centrifuges and ones that are more advanced will only shorten its breakout time to acquiring nuclear weapons.</i?

        https://www.jpost.com/opinion/why-the-us-shouldnt-reenter-iran-deal-opinion-653433

      5. Germany’s domestic intelligence agency said in its annual report that Iran has a “clandestine” effort to seek illicit nuclear technology and equipment from German companies “at what is, even by international standards, a quantitatively high level.” The findings by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany’s equivalent of the FBI, were issued in a 317-page report last week. German Chancellor Angela Merkel underscored the findings in a statement to parliament, saying Iran violated the United Nations Security Council’s anti-missile development regulations. “Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told the Bundestag.

        https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/07/11/german-intelligence-iran-seeking-banned-nuclear-and-missile-components-n2190756

        1. Ok? What is the incentive for Iran to NOT pursue nukes then? Prohibition does not work in the long run, right, fellow libertarian?

          Unless you think the US should try to keep Iran as a virtual prison for all of eternity, we are going to have to do better than unilateral sanctions. A deal will get allies on board for much more powerful sanctions, and will allow incentives for Iran to drop their nuclear ambitions.

          What is the alternative? Trump never put anything in place of the deal. Unilateral or weakly multilateral sanctions will not work forever.

          1. Ok? What is the incentive for Iran to NOT pursue nukes then?

            Why would they stop after what happened to Ghadaffi?

            1. Exactly my point. Right now, with no further negotiation, it seems we are bound for war eventually. Israel can keep bombing and assassinating, but do we want to bet on that containing Iran forever?

              I really do not get the resistance to diplomacy, and the assumptions that the deal that comes out of new negotiations is going to be the same or worse than the last.

              Yes, they violated the original deal and then some. But our allies want us to come back to some sort of deal. So what do we do now? I think simply screaming and pointing at the NPT and asserting that Iran is forever crippled regarding nuclear research simply is not a realistic solution.

              1. Yes, they violated the original deal and then some. But our allies want us to come back to some sort of deal.

                Who? If by allies, you mean Europe, then their opinion doesn’t really matter. If you mean Israel and the GCC, then you might have a point.

                Again, the whole point of the Abraham accords is so these countries can take care of this shit themselves. They shouldn’t need us there to jawbone Iran into taking a deal they’re going to violate anyway.

          2. So… you didn’t understand the iran deal or how they have been non compliant since inception. Just say so man. Admit your ignorance.

      6. “and with no mechanism to enforce non-enrichment other than yelling on twitter or actual violence”.

        When the US smoked 200,000 people in Japan we were in the infancy of our nuclear weapons programs. At that time, The Iranians were still riding donkeys and carrying bolt action rifles.
        We have had 75+ years of constant development and refinement. A single F16 figher jet with modern munitions would end their entire nuclear program in a flash of light in a single pass. A second F16 could turn all of Tehran into a smoking hole.
        Now, can you think of any interested parties near Iran that have F16s and a solid nuclear program?

        1. Yup. Which I think supports my view that a war footing with Iran is not necessary and is counter productive for peace in the region.

          We have inadvertently trained all the dictators and tin pot republics out there that the US will invade, unless you have a nuke. We have made nuclear armament the only way to ensure your safety against America, if you perceive America as a threat for whatever reason.

          So Tehran has a natural and understandable ambition to attain a nuke. Ken want an all-stick approach that can only eventually lead to war.

          I say let’s engage in diplomacy, and if Iran does get feisty, just turn our backs and whisper to Israel that we preemptively didn’t see nuthin’.

          1. I say let’s engage in diplomacy, and if Iran does get feisty, just turn our backs and whisper to Israel that we preemptively didn’t see nuthin’.

            Isn’t that what happened when one of their leading nuclear scientists got waxed a few months ago?

            1. I don’t what ‘our’ involvement in that was, but yes, basically. Seems like the least violent and smartest way to reduce their nuke-making capability. Between targeted assassinations/limited bombing carried out by Israel and rewards for good behavior, I think we would have a better chance at success than simply not talking to them or our allies and demanding everyone do as we say or else…..well, or else!

          2. 10 years of failed diplomacy leading to a 2026 date of full violation of the non proliferation treaty is better in your eyes than holding them to the non proliferation treaty. Got it.

            Stupid thoughts, but they are yours.

        2. Pakistan?

    10. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-europe-iran-iran-nuclear-united-states-89c05e61075a25d2ebce1cf366d328c9

      “President Joe Biden has said the U.S. will to return to the deal if Iran comes back into compliance with it. Thus far, Iran has refused to entertain the offer unless the U.S. rescinds sanctions that Trump imposed on it. Iran already rejected an EU proposal for a meeting that included the United States. That proposal came in response to a Biden administration statement that it would accept an invitation to attend such talks.

      Meanwhile, the State Department said it had extended a waiver that allows Iraq to continue to buy power from Iran without being subject to U.S. sanctions. penalties. The waiver was renewed for 120 days, an increase in shorter extensions that had become commonplace during the Trump administration.”

      Yeah, providing shorter waivers than Trump did, and demanding that they come back into compliance with the deal. Sounds like a real free-for-all for Iran.

      So tell me how you are convinced that Biden’s plan is to let Iran have the bomb.

      1. “The 2015 deal sought to keep the so-called breakout time Iran would need to amass enough enriched uranium for a single bomb to at least 12 months until at least 2026.”

        —-The Wall Street Journal

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-nuclear-deal-participants-including-u-s-to-meet-in-vienna-next-week-11617361429?

        That basically gets it right, and that’s why Obama’s 2015 deal, which Biden wants to return to, is completely unacceptable.

        According to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran permanently forfeited the right to enrich their own uranium when they violated the treaty. The UN Security Council, with China and Russia’s assent, imposed sanctions on the basis of the IAEA’s finding that Iran violated the treaty.

        If Iran wants the sanctions to go away, they should stop enriching uranium and open themselves up to international inspectors, and they can do that and accept uranium that’s already been enriched sufficiently for civilian purposes from their allies any time they want. They have chosen to suffer sanctions instead.

        It is in the best interests of American security to keep those sanctions in place until Iran comes back into compliance with the NPT and stops enriching their own uranium.

        And everything else is basically irrelevant.

        1. He never understood what the original deal was. He just repeats leftist talking points to defend it. I mean, he actually believes that Biden will force them “into compliance” even though Iran has been violating the agreement since the day it was signed.

          1. And they violate the terms if there is no deal, too, which was in Ken’s very own source. No deal means the Iranians do what they want, we don’t talk, and then we bomb them or go to war when they inevitably assert themselves.

            What do we have to lose from diplomacy, and what threat is a regional second rate power to us anyway? This feels like Iraq 2.

            1. Do you know the actual situation behind Iraq 1?
              The real truth is absolutely ridiculous. That is why they won’t release it. The people have a right to know why the US destroyed a country, killed 100,000 people, and spent billions trying to rebuild it afterwards. When they finally release the information, the people responsible will be long dead.
              I learned early on that Top Secret information is usually not Top Secret for operational security. It is only so that the American people won’t know about the murderous, expensive, and world damaging things that the Pentagon and State Department scumbags engage in. Nobody expects accountability anymore. We should.
              If only those entities hired the best and the brightest I would have a bit more faith in them. They don’t. For the last 40 years they have been hiring by race and gender quota so they tae what they can get. The test to enter service at the State Department is very difficult. But, since the mid 1980s scores don’t matter for certain groups, only the constant attempts at diversity. They chase intelligent, reasonable people away. If you attend a few State Department functions, you will be shocked at the quality of the personel. They are over-entitled, over-paid morons.
              We should just break off any and all ties and discussions and get the hell out of the ME, period. The Iranians can either choose to behave or be erased by the Israelis. The Iranians are decades away from producing anything really dangerous to the US. Leave it to the Israelis. They have something to lose in this, we don’t.

              1. “Do you know the actual situation behind Iraq 1?”

                Do tell.

                1. I wish I could. I really, really do. I walked away from government, threw away my clearance, and live far, far away from DC now.
                  There is nothing anyone can do about it. They don’t want you to know because that would look very bad for that moron down in Texas.
                  I wish that enough people would demand the truth. The majority of the politicians do not have the clearance to know. They probably won’t even ask.
                  As stated, when all of the people involved die comfortably in their beds, the story will be declassified and released on page 12 of a few select newspapers.

                  1. I guess I don’t know the real reason, then.

                    The similarity I was talking about regards Iraq was that Iraq was also a regional power that a global power was asserting was a threat so dangerous that it needed to preemptively strike the regional power.

                2. I always thought it was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait after Iraq invaded.

                  But of course it can’t be that simple can it?

            2. The plan you apparently support despite evidence of non companies also fave them a 10 year free to build timeliness and 150 billion dollars. I can see why you think the previous plan was worse…. lol. God damn man. Just a complete joke of a person.

          2. “He just repeats leftist talking points to defend it. I mean, he actually believes that Biden will force them “into compliance” even though Iran has been violating the agreement since the day it was signed.

            Now that Iran forfeited the right to enrich their own uranium–by violating the treaty and enriching uranium in secret–the only way they can come back into compliance with the treaty is to stop enriching any uranium of any concentration forever.

            Promising not to do it in secret anymore will not bring them into compliance with the NPT. They must give up enriching their own uranium–period. If they want to buy uranium that has been enriched sufficiently for civilian purposes, the can buy it from the Russians.

            If they didn’t want to forgo the right to enrich their own uranium for civilian purposes, there was an easy way to avoid that. They could have chosen not to violate the treaty by enriching uranium in secret.

            It’s like they’ve been caught red handed, tried for murder, convicted by a jury in a fair trial, and the punishment they were given, life without the ability to enrich their own uranium, was assented to by their own allies. The question at that point isn’t whether they should be allowed to enrich their own uranium again–just like if you’re convicted of murder and given a life sentence, the question isn’t how you legally get out of going to prison.

            If they want the sanctions to go away, all they need to do is stop enriching uranium. They would rather suffer those crippling sanctions than stop enriching uranium–presumably because they’d rather have nuclear weapons than a decent standard of living. The solution to that isn’t Joe Biden letting them out of the sanctions.

            For goodness’ sake, they’ve got a terrorist army in Hezbollah that’s used suicide bombings, and they’re currently using them and/or the Revolutionary Guard inside the borders of three of their neighbors. Why should we think that capitulating to their nuclear weapons program is the legitimate solution to any problem? The people who supported Obama on this, mostly, just seemed to think they were repudiating Bush Jr. in front of the masses, and the people who are supporting Biden on this, mostly seem to think they’re repudiating Trump and his insurrectionist supporters.

            They want to let Iran off the hook for nuclear proliferation for the same reason they say trespassing on public property justifies shooting unarmed protesters–i.e., for no good reason.

            1. For goodness’ sake, they’ve got a terrorist army in Hezbollah that’s used suicide bombings, and they’re currently using them and/or the Revolutionary Guard inside the borders of three of their neighbors.

              Which the Iran deal freely funded. But DoL is in support of that i guess.

              1. No, and quit trying to put words in my mouth.

                I merely find this part of it to be self-evidently ridiculous and unworkable: “the only way they can come back into compliance with the treaty is to stop enriching any uranium of any concentration forever.”

                Sure. So Iran can accept either forever sanctions, war, or the loss for all of humanity’s continued existence to use nuclear power. Seems untenable, and bound to eventually lead to war.

        2. The sanctions are in place, and will be kept in place, until such time that we are satisfied that Iran is complying with the terms of deal. As it is now, we have no leverage over Iran. With a deal, we can continue to sanction, and we get to monitor. We aren’t giving up anything in the deal at all. Iran just gains a path out of extreme sanctions for good behavior. I don’t see the downside, and I frankly find your fixation on a regional 2nd rate power as baffling, unless I view your criticism through a GOP partisan lens.

          From you link:

          “The current stalemate stems from disputes that arose in 2018 when then-President Donald Trump withdrew from the deal, saying that it should be replaced by a new pact halting all nuclear enrichment in Iran, stopping Iran’s development of nuclear-capable missiles and ending Tehran’s support for militant groups.

          Iran responded by exceeding enrichment and research limits in the accord.”

          So in response to Trump scuttling the deal, Iran enriched more uranium and put more moeny into developing missiles. So what are losing out on by talking with Iran?

          It is really bizarre that you present a total lack of diplomacy, essentially a war footing, to be the most logical and libertarian position on this issue. Again, only makes sense if you perceive Trump as infallible, or simply want to criticize Biden for everything.

          1. I frankly find your fixation on a regional 2nd rate power as baffling, unless I view your criticism through a GOP partisan lens.

            Or an historical one. We’ve been at odds with them over the last 40 years and our alliance system in the region is contingent upon counter-balancing their influence there. That was the whole point of the Abraham Accords, to ensure that beefs between the top GCC nations and Israel didn’t take precedence over their mutual concern over not allowing Iran to be the dominant power in the Middle East. The GCC shouldn’t have to continue using us as a bodyguard in the Gulf if they have a nuclear power in Israel that will support them when it comes to battling Iran.

            1. This is all true, but why would that preclude us from engaging in diplomacy that our allies all seem to want us to engage in?

            2. “I frankly find your fixation on a regional 2nd rate power as baffling, unless I view your criticism through a GOP partisan lens.”

              If nuclear proliferation throughout the countries of the Middle East is an issue that he can only view through a partisan lens, then his myopia is his problem–not mine.

              Is this the first time he’s heard that the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is about preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons?

          2. You just seem to be flailing, here, as if the NPT didn’t exist, wasn’t ratified by the Senate, and as if the NPT didn’t have provisions that Iran violated. I think it’s because you have no idea what you’re talking about–other than whatever pundits you read. Why should I bother responding to that? I already spelled it out for you in obvious terms.

            You also seem to be completely missing the fact that neither Joe Biden nor Barack Obama have the constitutional authority to arbitrarily alter the NPT or enter into any other treaty without it being ratified by the Senate. Obama’s deal with Iran wasn’t ratified by the Senate, but you know what deal was?

            The correct answer is the original NPT.

            Iran forfeited the right to enrich uranium in secret when it signed onto the NPT. Iran forfeited its right to enrich uranium at all when it violated the NPT. The UN Security Council, with China and Russia’s consent, imposed the sanctions until Iran comes back into compliance with the treaty. If Iran wants the sanctions to end, all they need to do is stop enriching uranium forever and let the IAEA come in and monitor their compliance.

            If let Iran out of the provisions of the NPT because they violated the NPT, then when Iran’s enemies in the UAE or Saudi Arabia (both of which are signatories) want their own nuclear weapons because Iran has them, how will we enforce any agreement? Will we just carve out special exemptions for them, too–because Joe Biden says so? Did you know the point of the NPT is to discourage rather than encourage nuclear proliferation?

            Your opinion on this is based on not knowing some really basic stuff, and even if you had the facts right, your reasoning is off. You’re wrong about this in every way you can be, and all the ways you’re wrong seem to mimic Democratic party propaganda rather than reality. It’s embarrassing to watch.

            Meanwhile, Biden has no constitutional basis upon which to enter into extra treaty provisions with Iran unless he submits that treaty to the Senate–just like Obama didn’t have the authority to enter into a treaty with Iran without the U.S. Senate. If Biden really does follow through on this incredibly stupid move, our next president should be able to undo it again–hopefully before it’s too late.

            As soon as Iran conducts a nuclear test, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE will all start pursuing nuclear weapons of their own, and if you think that’s in the best interests of the United States–especially in the wake of the Biden administration asserting America as the neocon guarantor of security in the Middle East–then you’re a fucking idiot.

            1. He won’t read this.

            2. The NPT is still in effect. It has never not been. The JCPOA was a deal on top of that, but did not negate it. Repeatedly pointing at the NPT and telling Iran that they have now lost the right to nuclear power forever is not a reasonable solution. The Iranians simply will continue to not comply, eat the sanctions, like they are doing right now. Executive agreements are the norm now, and have been since the 60’s at least. President’s get into something like 10x more executive agreements than treaties. Very similar to war powers being taken over increasingly by the executive. Do I like that trend? No. But I don’t try to use that fact as an excuse when I don’t like one of these agreements. So you can argue that Obama and now Biden do not have constitutional authority, and I may agree with you, but neither did Trump for his many executive agreements, (or bush or bush or Obama).

              1. They will not honor the NPT, but you think they will honor Biden?

              2. “The NPT is still in effect. It has never not been. The JCPOA was a deal on top of that, but did not negate it”

                The JCPOA allows the Iranians to enrich their own uranium, and the Iranians forfeited the right to do so when they enriched uranium in secret by the terms of the NPT.

  20. Really? The New York Times? Anonymous sources?
    WHY!??
    Do not feed the trolls.

    Of course they are changing the narrative; the initial lying headlines have done their work, time for another assault from a different direction.

    1. Be grateful, they could be sourcing Vox and Slate and The Huffington Post.

  21. Got me talking abt ghosting an advice column for @Alyssa_Milano back in the ’80s…

    WHAT

    1. Gillespie used to write an advice column under Alyssa Milano’s name back in the day.

      Take any paying writing gig at the right price. That’s capitalism.

      Incidentally, actresses and Brittany clones aren’t writing the shit people read on their social media accounts either.

      Most of my comments here are written by Thomas Pynchon.

      1. Are you telling me Alyssa Milano isn’t smart enough to give advice?

      2. Read that as Bronson Princhot and immediately heard Balkis accent while reading.

      3. It would be so great if he turned out writing her #metoo tweets.

      4. “Most of my comments here are written by Thomas Pynchon.”

        Lol.

      5. That explains their length, at least.

  22. You may not be able to go to a restaurant without your jab-baged, but the border is officially opne:

    “Migrants freed without court notice — sometimes no paperwork”
    […]

    Emmy winner found dead, buried in debris inside home
    Donald Trump makes another new business move

    MISSION, Texas (AP) — Overwhelmed and underprepared, U.S. authorities are releasing migrant families on the Mexican border without notices to appear in immigration court or sometimes without any paperwork at all — time-saving moves that have left some migrants confused.

    Emmy winner found dead, buried in debris inside home
    Donald Trump makes another new business move

    MISSION, Texas (AP) — Overwhelmed and underprepared, U.S. authorities are releasing migrant families on the Mexican border without notices to appear in immigration court or sometimes without any paperwork at all — time-saving moves that have left some migrants confused.
    The rapid releases ease pressure on the Border Patrol and its badly overcrowded holding facilities but shifts work to Immigration and Customs and Enforcement, the agency that enforces immigration laws within the United States. Families are released with booking records; only parents are photographed and fingerprinted.
    The Border Patrol began the unusual practice last week in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley, which has seen the biggest increase in the number of migrant families and unaccompanied minors crossing the border. Last week, the agency added instructions to report to an ICE office within 60 days to adults’ booking documents.
    But some got no documents at all, including dozens at Our Lady of Guadalupe Catholic Church in the Texas border city of Mission, where about 100 migrants released by U.S. authorities had been arriving each night to sleep on mats in classrooms in a shuttered elementary school…”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-freed-without-court-notice-sometimes-no-paperwork/ar-BB1fbVv3

    ‘See ya, thanks for stopping by. Oh, and show up for the court date in 60 days, OK?

  23. Ending civil asset forfeiture should be a bipartisan project.

    Nothing makes something worse than both sides of the aisle sticking their dicks in it.

    1. There was one striking exception: Nearly three-quarters of all Americans — including majorities of both parties — said they support laws requiring voters to present photo identification

      1. I maintain that each state should be free to set their own registration and voting requirements–so long as those rules are consistent with the Constitution, the Fourteenth Amendment, etc.

        Federalism as a check on the national government’s power is still as important as it ever was, maybe more so now that the federal government has become so powerful, and I see no good reason why the opinion of voters nationally should be more important to the voting laws of Vermont than the opinion of Vermont’s voters.

        If a majority of Americans nationally don’t like the way the people of Vermont govern themselves, then so long as Vermont’s laws are in harmony with the U.S. Constitution, the people of Vermont should be free to tell the majority of Americans nationally to go fuck themselves with a jackhammer.

        1. So long as they’re voting for Vermont offices, sure. Their indifference to fraud starts affecting political offices that affect me—like President and Vice-President—even as a non-Vermont resident, I want to be sure they aren’t engaging in wholesale electoral fraud. Substitute California for Vermont to make the point clearer.

          1. I disagree.

            Whether we’re talking about national office or president, the way the state of Vermont decides to count their own votes is the way those votes should be counted.

            The problem with the idea that other people should only be free to do things that only affect them is that everything we do (or don’t do) may effect someone else in some way.

            I give you what is surely among the worst Supreme Court decisions ever: It is okay for the government to prohibit a farmer from growing wheat on his own property for his own use (even if it never leaves his property) because by growing wheat on his own property and using that, he’s not buying wheat on the open market. And by not buying wheat on the open market, he’s doing something that impacts wheat farmers in other states nationally (interstate commerce).

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

            It isn’t that we should be free to do anything so long as it doesn’t affect anyone else. Actually, we should be free to do things that harm other people, like open competing businesses across town, selling them large sized sugary soft drinks, and growing wheat on our own property for our own use. The correct principle is that we should be free to do anything we please so long as we don’t violate anyone’s rights.

            1. So long as we don’t violate anyone’s liberty. Liberty being freedom from the initiatory use of force. When you say rights that can include positive rights which aren’t rights at all.

              1. Well, my definition of rights has them as the obligation to respect other people’s agency. We’re all obligated not to rape people because we’re all obligated to respect their agency. Even when we’re talking about property rights, we’re talking about the obligation we have to respect other people’s right to make choices about how their property is used, who gets to use it, if it isn’t used at all, etc.

                We’re not obligated to respect the agency of inanimate objects because they can’t make choices, and we’re obligated to respect the agency of other people because they can make choices. We’re even obligated to respect the agency of people in a coma, infants, and the insane–because we can’t really obtain their informed, legitimate consent.

                Regardless of how we define rights, however, if the standard is that we can’t do things that adversely impact other people in some way, and everything we do or don’t do negatively impacts someone in some way, then we may not have the positive right (if there is such a distinction) to do anything. And it isn’t just about negatively impacting the national economy with our lack of participation.

                Every time you exhale, you may be contributing to climate change and hurting people in some way.

                “The fourth smallest nation in the world, Tuvalu is home to just 11,000 people, most of whom live on the largest island of Fongafale, where they are packed in and fighting for space. Tuvalu’s total land area accounts for less than 26 sq km.

                Already, two of Tuvalu’s nine islands are on the verge of going under, the government says, swallowed by sea-rise and coastal erosion. Most of the islands sit barely three metres above sea level, and at its narrowest point, Fongafale stretches just 20m across.”

                https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/may/16/one-day-disappear-tuvalu-sinking-islands-rising-seas-climate-change

                Garvin wrote a negative review of Rebel, which may discourage people from watching it. That would harm Disney’s shareholders, advertisers, employees, and vendors, but he didn’t violate anyone’s rights. He should be perfectly free to harm other people with his bad reviews of their programming–so long as he doesn’t violate his obligation to respect their agency. And they’re all still free to make choices for themselves about themselves and their own property–regardless of whether Garvin criticizes their TV show.

                1. Every time you exhale, you may be contributing to climate change and hurting people in some way.

                  jeffy claimed that If our normal exhalations can even potentially hurt others, it violates the NAP to exhale normally in their presence and the fact that others have agency not to be in our presence is immaterial.

                  Lefties redefine liberty to have no application.

                  1. Oh, and he had some mean name for libertarians who refuse to accept that bullshit. It was astonishingly daft.

            2. The representatives they fraudulently elected in Vermont are now attempting to foist that same fraudulent system on every other state (including yours and mine), and there’s a very high chance they’ll succeed.

              1. The way to oppose that is to shore up support for the right of states to set their own voting rules–rather than let Congress set the same standards nationally.

              2. P.S. Even IF IF IF President Trump lost due to vote fraud, the Republicans still picked up seats in the House. That’s presumably part of the reason why the Democrats want to change the rules nationally.

  24. https://twitter.com/DominicFrisby/status/1377672455574159361?s=19

    I think this may be one of the of the most ridiculous charts I have ever seen.

    1. No no. Masks worked for one respiratory virus that is smaller in size and didn’t work against the other respiratory virus. Science bro. Science.

    2. was it published on April fools day, would make sense then

    3. Gotta get ready for the masks next fall.

    4. Covid is a miracle.

  25. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/crowded-train-crashes-taiwan-killing-48-injuring-66-ahead-holiday-weekend

    Taiwanese officials said the accident was apparently caused by a maintenance truck sliding down an embankment and striking the train just before it entered the tunnel. The truck’s emergency brake was reportedly not active, and police have taken its driver for questioning. “Our train crashed into a truck,” said one surviving passenger speaking on Taiwan television. “The truck came falling down.”

  26. The European Union “is poised to ban ‘terrorist content’ or, more accurately, anything it tags with that label…”

    Does Europe have a terrorism problem all the sudden?

    1. They just need to change ‘terrorist’ to ‘insurrectionist’ and they’re golden.

    2. You haven’t been following the news on anti-lockdown protests all over Europe? Opposing your government and pressuring them to change their policies is the very definition of terrorism.

      1. Definitely worse than burning down all the cathedrals.

    3. Most all Europeans I know, mostly brit French n Italians, now hate legal and illegal immigration of Muslims from the mid east n africa more than most Americans hate legal n illegal immigration from Central America.

      At least a decent percentage of these Latinos actually want to be Americans. Most of the Muslims coming to Europe simply want a new neighborhood to enforce sharia law and take advantage of women.

  27. If you or anyone in your household identifies as Black, Indigenous, or a person of color (BIPOC), …

    “April Fool!!”

    1. Are there black people in Vermont?

  28. dorsey entered last week’s congressional hearing and said: i don’t deserve the power to censor, you don’t deserve the power to censor, and i will do everything i can to make sure no one ever has this power again.

    And yet…

    1. He said he doesn’t DESERVE it. Not that he doesn’t have it, and enjoy using it.

  29. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1377970916169236482?s=19

    Remember: when reporting on this story was suppressed by Facebook before the election, it was a life-long Democratic operative, @AndymStone, who announced FB’s decision. Even more disturbing: FB’s head of content election-moderation, Anna Makanju, was a long-time Biden advisor.

    “Hunter Biden says laptop at center of Post exposé could ‘absolutely’ belong to him”

    1. FB never got around to the “fact check” they said they needed to do to ‘permit’ us to talk about it.

      Dems make public demands social media control ‘disinformation’, and then whatever the Dems want banned is banned by the ‘private’ corporations.

      1. Sounds like Libertopia to me!

  30. https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1377841269658038273?s=19

    How has anyone ever been able to vote without free water and snacks?

    I imagine people have just dropped dead of thirst and starvation by the tens of thousands while voting in the past…

    1. They used a bulldozer to push the dead bodies away from the polls last time I voted.

  31. https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1377774026358194179?s=19

    Not an April Fools joke: President Biden’s so-called “infrastructure” plan spends less than 6% to repair bridges, highways, and roads.

  32. https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1377729556690395136

    “Thank you very much, to the government with your quick, decisive actions, once again, thank you. You’ve really controlled a worldwide epidemic and should be very much congratulated for all your hard work,” – Curt Ferguson, president of Coca-Cola Greater China and Korea.

  33. https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1377320793072353284?s=19

    Psssst. Saying that what Matt Gaetz is accused of *isn’t child sex trafficking* doesn’t mean it’s perfectly fine behavior

    1. Well there we have it. The anonymous sources are now confirmed and we can take Matt Gaetz away to the gulag now.

    2. But does it mean that it’s merely an unsubstantiated accusation? Like my accusation that Matt Gaetz fucks chickens that ENB refuses to respond to?

    3. So she actually does have zero principles. This is her lane… and she swung the wheel hard to the left to denounce someone accused of utilizing her lane.

    4. I care how he votes, not whether his behavior is always perfectly fine. It’s really aggravating how much people focus on shit like this that isn’t really relevant to the office these people hold. See also the whole Trump administration. There is plenty of real, relevant to their job shit to criticize any politician over. I guess in a perfect world I’d rather have politicians who aren’t creepy assholes, but that’s really low on my list of things to care about in politics.

    5. See you next Tuesday, Liz

  34. TKO

    https://twitter.com/jwspools/status/1377326526799216643?s=19
    psssst. Pushing BlueAnon DOJ conspiracies that don’t offer any evidence under the guise of criticizing competing “news” outlets isn’t journalism.

    1. So which commentator is spools?

  35. Gaetz is a fascist traitor. Let’s wait to see if he’s a perv or was extorted.

    1. Well the perv part has already been retracted so you should probably start holding your breath now. Maybe you’ll be dead by the time the nyt get around to reporting the actual facts, probably sometime next year.

  36. https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1377994695981195265?s=19

    I’m not being hyperbolic, sarcastic, or over the top here. This is one of the most evil things said in modern times.

    Wake up sheep.

    1. Free minds and free markets. Fuck you, Reason.

    2. How is Joe Biden going to be able to claim that his leadership saved this country if people just ignore his advice and go out and save themselves? Are you serious? It doesn’t matter what happens, Joe Biden’s either going to claim credit for it or blame it on Donald Trump.

    3. Didn’t you know? Freedom is doing what you’re told.

    4. In context, if you want your kid to attend school, play in sports leagues, or if you want to travel, or work in certain jobs, or are in the military, you have to get vaccinated. This has been this way for decades. So what makes the covid shot different than MMR?

      Do you guys want covid to be eradicated?

      1. Who ever claimed a coronavirus would be eradicated skeetch?

        And there were no vaccine passports prior to this time period, you just showed that the kids were vaccinated for school. You could also apply for an exemption at one time.

        You just keep pimping the illiberal authoritarian government and see how many punches you take around here jackass.

        1. I’m not pimping anything. I asked a question and gave examples for comparison.

          If you want to know what I think, you can ask me. Here, I’ll go ahead:
          I think vaccine proof is going to be required for much, if not most international travel going forward. I think covid is probably out and about for good now, due to humanity’s embarrassing stupidity at the beginning of the break out. I also think that if we went authoritarian on this and required or encouraged vaccination for residents and proof of vax. from anyone entering the country, we could eradicate covid within the US.

          Covid will continue to lower life expectancy on earth significantly and be a major drain on resources to treat the sick and prevent breakouts. Ignoring it is one course of action I do not subscribe to.

          1. “”Covid will continue to lower life expectancy on earth significantly and be a major drain on resources to treat the sick and prevent breakouts.””

            You’re pimping fear.

            1. IT has already come to pass. I’m pimping reality.

              https://www.pnas.org/content/118/5/e2014746118

              1. Where is Stossel to show you that COVID has lowered your life expectancy by 7 minutes?

                You fucking lefties can’t retain shit in your addled minds.

                1. He doesn’t realize that the link does not support the “continued” part of his statement. It’s reductions in the 2020 US life expectancy. It’s even in the title of the document (see below). One of the graphs linked as (reference 1) shows projected deaths leveling off. Life expectancy per year after 2020 will increase when compared to 2020.

                  “Reductions in 2020 US life expectancy due to COVID-19 and the disproportionate impact on the Black and Latino populations”

              2. You’re pimping fear because you are saying it will continue to lower life expectancy. It’s not going to continue. The only way it could continue is if the vaccines fail.

          2. I also think that if we went authoritarian on this and required or encouraged vaccination for residents and proof of vax. from anyone entering the country, we could eradicate covid within the US.

            Good luck doing that with an open borders policy at the Rio Grande.

            1. Yes, many qualifier to that statement. It is not a prediction or even desire. It is an example of an extreme option on one side of the balance.

            2. Lol. He thinks we can irradiated a cold virus that already has multiple mutations. Fucking hilarious.

              1. Eradicate*

        2. Anyone who thinks that it’s the government’s place to give freedoms/rights, rather than rights being inherent and inalienable, is an enemy to every American.
          Anyone who communicates such an opinion is engaged in active hostilities with this nation and every American, and should be treated as the illegitimate combatant they are.

          1. Come at me

            1. Are you saying the shoe fits?

              1. I’m saying Nardz needs to test out his fantasy of getting to murder fellow Americans with me first.

                1. So the shoe does fit.

                  1. Why do you support the murder of Americans, Jesse?

          2. WK hardest hit. I mean it. Hit him the hardest.

            The White Knight II: The White Knight Rises!
            February.11.2021 at 9:24 pm
            I don’t believe rights are natural.

            1. Racist lying mormon piece of shit.

              Reason needs to fire your cunt gf Rommelmen.

              She’s a lying cunt

        3. Those of us old enough to have the vaccination mark on our arms are fine with that….even though mine is misshapen and distorted now

      2. In context, if you want your kid to attend school, play in sports leagues, or if you want to travel, or work in certain jobs, or are in the military, you have to get vaccinated. This has been this way for decades. So what makes the covid shot different than MMR?

        Sure. But then, we have the debacle over the anthrax vaccine in the 90s as a counterpoint. “Vaccine!” doesn’t automatically = “good,” and we have no idea what long-term effects this might have because it was rushed out so quick. It could be nothing, or at least minimal. But we don’t know yet.

        Do you guys want covid to be eradicated?

        The only thing I want to hear out of these people is, “If everyone gets vaccinated, we guarantee all these bullshit restrictions will end.” If they aren’t going to do that, then what’s the fucking point? I’m not going to get a stick of a hyper-rushed vaccine just to be told, “Oh, just kidding, even if you’re vaccinated you still have to wear masks, social distance, and you can still get other people sick so we can’t lift restrictions.”

        Yeah, all those other places require vaccinations, but at least they don’t keep these bullshit measures in place despite everyone being vaccinated. If everyone still has to wear a fucking mask after getting vaccinated, then the vaccine is worthless.

        1. Same. I’m vaccinated now, and I will not accept any other social distancing demands or whatever once everyone has had a chance to get the vaccine. Everyone should consider themselves warned at this point. Get the vaccine, or lose weight, but no griping when the ‘rona comes for you.

  37. https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1378001580612579329?s=19

    I’m actually kind of disappointed she turned out to be another shameless partisan. They don’t make commies like they used to.

    1. She was brought to heel in that meeting with Pelosi a couple of years ago that saw her chief of staff get fired shortly afterwards due to allegations of campaign finance violations. Notice how she stopped squawking about primarying other Democrats after that?

      It’s pretty fucking obvious Pelosi told her to cut the shit, or her chief of staff wouldn’t be the only one under investigation.

    2. I’ll have to actually agree. At first, AOC was in the category of “I can’t stand anything she stands for, but at least she’s principled”. Now, she doesn’t even care.

      Power corrupts, it seems, or perhaps it was a facade to begin with

  38. “SF School Board Leader Sues Members for $87M After Being Voted Off Over N-Word”
    https://www.newsweek.com/sf-school-board-leader-sues-members-87m-after-being-voted-off-over-n-word-1580427

    She (identifies as) black, really does not like Asian kids taking all those As and not leaving any for black kids, and does not bother to hide her racism.
    So she got tossed by the school board, and is now suing since she claims violation of her free speech rights, thereby proving she doesn’t know what free speech is, either. No one stopped her from speaking; they just fired her for making an ass of herself.

    1. It’s always amusing when the left attacks its own.

    2. Lol, theyre claiming its because of the N word? Maybe it was for calling asians house niggers, but that is offensive for separate reasons than the utterance of the evil incantation on it own.

      PSA for white people:
      Nigga used to be something only young trash said as an alternative for shit like brother/a, dog, homie, blood, etc. Nigga was not nor has ever been a synonym of nigger. By the time the use of nigga became commonplace, the meaning of nigger, at least to black folks, had shifted to mean something far more offensive than “black person”. Back in the 80s black people used to use nigger like white people use redneck and hillbilly. By the late 90s, early 00s, nigga had basically replaced dude, guy, motherfucker amongst a subset of uncultured blacks. Amongst black people, if you heard the word nigger, it most certainly did not mean black person, it meant the person using it really hates black people and wants to make sure I know it. (Or theyre really old and dont give a fuck about social norms).
      If a black person gives you shit for saying nigga, its probably they don’t think anyone should use the word, a power play, or because you seem like a small r racist that thinks they can get away with calling people nigger by replacing the er with a. If you speak like eminem, and are amongst the type of person who use “nigga” themselves in general conversation, they wont give a shit if you say it.
      Secondary PSA for white people:
      Only about 20% of blacks find using the term nigga acceptable. We think that shit is low class. Rappers and screenwriters are not a realistic window into the black community.

  39. Why should Geatz be held responsible for having sex with a minor? In my state the age of consent is 16. The Democrats are doing nothing but exposing their hypocrisy once again by smearing him with paying for sex.

    1. It’s a hit job. They’re trying to smear him so that ideally he loses his next election and in the meantime he’ll be distracted.

    2. The age of consent should be 7. No older than that.

      Let’s face it guys, those little girl are already growing curves at that age. Creepy old dudes are starting at your little daughter in the store parking lot in the summer when she’s that age. It should be legal and socially accepted and ubiquitous for him and her to meet up.

  40. The New York Times originally broke the story of a possible Department of Justice (DOJ) probe into Gaetz by labeling it a “sex trafficking” investigation involving a 17-year-old girl whom the congressman allegedly had sex with and paid to travel with him. The Tuesday report quickly stirred up a journalism and social media frenzy in which Gaetz was roundly condemned as a sick sexual predator.

    That may still be the case…but the latest report takes the story in a different direction. In a Thursday Times article on the DOJ probe, Gaetz’s alleged relationship with a teen—a charge he denies—has been reduced to a much more minor and speculative role. Like the initial Times story, the new report is filtered through anonymous “people close to the investigation” without official statements or documents.

    And I’m 100% sure that Facebook and Twitter swung into immediate action, blocking the New York Times story and shutting down their accounts.

  41. I would like to see Roe overturned. It would send the abortion question back to the states where it belongs. Let the State Legislatures directly address the abortion question. That is where the question belongs, not in article III courts.

    1. I agree. It appears the left only believes in pro choice when it applies to murdering children, but everyone else is gonna get the jab whether they want it or not.

      1. It depends on who’s murdering the children. If they register as a republican it’s “kids in forceps”. If they love the D, it’s “fetal appropriation and hug facilities.”

        1. Right.

          If Trump was still president the headline would be concentration camps are expanding to convention centers.

    2. So abortion is freely available as long as you can get to a state where it’s legal, and also, whether you survive to birth depends on which state your would-be mother happens to live.

      I think you put too much faith in the utility of states’ rights.

      1. It’s legal in all states. But some states come with restrictions.

        https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool/US

  42. Reason articles usually clarify existing coverage by offering an alternate interpretation of the facts. This article is an exception.

    Reality: Gaetz is a subject of an inquiry. We don’t know the exent of the inquiry or what specifically they are finding. We know that he has been accused of taking a 17 year old on a trip for sexual purposes, which, if true, would appear to be a crime.

    NYT: Unnamed sources say they are also looking into payments to (presumably adult) women in addition to the 17 year old, but no charges have been brought and what potential criminal exposure this would bring isn’t clear. It then goes into way too much speculation that boils down to “if (bunch of circumstances we have no way of knowing) then it could be a federal crime!”

    Reason: Basically the same as the above, but trying to dunk on NYT and replacing the end speculation with other speculation that boils down to “If (not a bunch of circumstances we have no way of knowing) it wouldn’t be a federal crime!”

    A better treatment would be to more explicitly separate the charges against Greenberg and the coverage of the accusations against Gaetz.

    1. They should lower the legal age of consent to no older than 7 or better yet repeal all age of consent laws and completely decriminalize adult with child sexual interaction.

  43. Add another psychopathic heiress to the ash-heap of terrible Republicans. Prancing around Congress like it was an extended frat party.

    Your friends are embarrassing this country. You are embarrassing. It is painful to have to share categories with you.

  44. Tell me ENB has an OnlyFans account….

  45. “Soon after he arrived in Congress, Gaetz became the only lawmaker in Washington to vote against a 2017 bill giving the federal government more power and resources to fight human trafficking.”
    — NY Times

    FAKE NEWS!

    1. Sex trafficking should be legalized. They should repeal US Code 18 subsection 2423. Sex tourism to visit children in foreign places for intimate relationship contact should be not only legal but widely advertised in mainstream travel publications (Conde Nast, etc.).

  46. First lie is baseless and doesn’t work, move on to second lie.

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