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Surveillance

A 'Reformist' Legal Expert Calls for a Surveillance State

A lawyer who should know better wants to ignore the history of snooping cops to fight guns and crime.

J.D. Tuccille | 8.12.2024 7:00 AM

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Principled advocacy of liberty is hard, we get it. Many of us find something so offensive or irksome that all live-and-let-live sentiments evaporate. For former criminal defense attorney Dana Bazelon, now policy director for reformist Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner and lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School, that issue is guns and the violence she attributes to them. She's discarded concerns about government abuses to endorse a wide-reaching surveillance state.

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"If the idea of more police cameras makes you queasy, I understand: I spent the first decade of my career as a criminal defense and civil rights lawyer and during that time, I would have treated a plan for more police-controlled cameras with suspicion and skepticism," Bazelon wrote last week for Slate. "But acting as the policy director for progressive prosecutor and Philadelphia DA Larry Krasner for six years changed my perspective. I saw, firsthand, the cost of unsolved shootings in Philadelphia, the misery of unwilling witnesses brought to court in handcuffs, and the way witnesses could emerge from trials feeling abused and angry."

Bazelon acknowledges that civil liberties groups are adamantly opposed to intrusive surveillance because of the implications for privacy and free expression. Surveillance is often brought in as an "emergency" measure that just never goes away as government officials find ever-more interesting ways to process the data they gather on their suffering subjects in ways that inevitably curtail liberty.

The Surveillance State's Frightening Record

The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) cautions that "mass surveillance and censorship justified by war became useful tools for more general surveillance." In the past, as now, FIRE notes, "the issues that drove the push for mass surveillance and censorship at scale was national security and fears of extremism, disinformation and propaganda."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation is so worried about the growing ease and declining cost of implementing mass surveillance that it maintains a Street Level Surveillance Hub about various snoopy technologies used by police and an Atlas of Surveillance so that travelers know which of those technologies are used at different locations along their journeys. People can turn to those tools to avoid snooping or, perhaps, take more direct action to neutralize the intrusions.

The reasons to object to mass surveillance are many, frightening, and historically well-documented. In the 1970s, the U.S. Senate's Church Committee found the FBI "has placed more emphasis on domestic dissent than on organized crime." More recently, the New York City Police Department was found to be monitoring and tracking mosque congregants. Federal and local law enforcement frequently purchase tracking data from third-party brokers, who gather GPS information produced by phone apps.

Bazelon concedes that point, writing, "Americans have a well-earned fear of government surveillance: Our history is rife with stories of law enforcement overreach, from J. Edgar Hoover's FBI to National Security Agency abuses uncovered by Edward Snowden."

But guns.

When Fear Trumps the Historical Record

"Those potential harms should be weighed against the suffering of neighborhoods where shootings routinely go unsolved, against the risk and trauma that witnesses who testify take on, and against the flaws inherent in building criminal prosecutions around eyewitness testimony, which research has shown can be unreliable," she insists.

As a result, she believes, "more street cameras are not a panacea, but they can help, and they have some advantages over human witnesses." She points out that cameras are more reliable than eyewitnesses at identifying suspects, they don't hold grudges and deliberately misidentify people, and recorded images remain clear while memories fade.

But there's not a prosecutor in the country who couldn't complain about the difficulty of prosecuting cases. Catching and punishing those who break the law is difficult because of evidentiary requirements, unreliable witnesses, neighbors resistant to cooperating with police, and other challenges, no matter what crimes are involved. Citing local complaints about drugs, break-ins, sex work, car theft, violent crime, or activities undertaken without a permit, plenty of jurisdictions would love to implement surveillance cameras, facial recognition, license-plate readers, gunshot detection, and more. As Charlton Heston's Miguel Vargas observes in A Touch of Evil, "A policeman's job is only easy in a police state."

Bazelon allows that we're entitled to privacy in our homes and businesses, but argues "we have no right to privacy in public spaces." Police cameras in public places "are different because they do not target a specific person: They capture everyone and everything, the electronic equivalent of an observant police officer stationed on every block."

That chorus you hear in the background is the sound of thousands of cops and prosecutors chanting "gimme gimme gimme." Such total surveillance would undoubtedly make the job of law enforcement much easier—all laws, good and bad, by enforcers subject to the very human temptation to abuse power. And then we would all live in panopticon Hell.

You Can Have Liberty or a Surveillance State

Liberty, it should be emphasized, involves tradeoffs. Some people will inevitably abuse their freedom, take advantage of the absence of Big Brother-ish monitoring, and do harm to their neighbors. But we recognize that liberty is a matter of right, and that its abuse by some doesn't justify oppressing or surveilling the entire world. Solutions to problems caused by some must respect the rights of others.

What's interesting is that Bazelon knows the dangers of the law and of excessive enforcement. She was arrested in 2020 for briefly leaving her daughter unattended in her car (a common practice when I was young). She oversees the D.A.'s Alternative Felony Disposition program, which helps those arrested for nothing other than carrying a gun without a license (perfectly legal in many states, a misdemeanor in most of Pennsylvania, but a felony in Philadelphia) avoid prison time.

Nevertheless, she wants the unblinking eye of police surveillance monitoring the streets to decide when officers should be dispatched to jack-up people's lives? Why?

Too many of us discover that our support for liberty ends when something really bothers us. For Dana Bazelon, that means she'd implement a surveillance state to try to reduce violence in Philadelphia.

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  1. Seamus   10 months ago

    Is she related to the late David Bazelon, U. S. Circuit Judge for the District of Columbia Circuit?

  2. Seamus   10 months ago

    Sorry for the double.post.

  3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   10 months ago

    I'm highly curious to know the Philadelphia PD's record with body camera usage. Do they have anything even vaguely approaching a 100% compliance with having their cameras on when they are supposed to? If not, what do they have to hide, if they aren't doing anything wrong...

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   10 months ago

      For that matter, do they even have body cameras at all?

      On the flip side, I wonder what the people living in the neighborhoods with the worst murder rates would say about the cameras.

  4. JFree   10 months ago

    It is simply unconstitutional for a surveillance state to focus on guns. There are far more critically dangerous things to focus surveillance on. Like grooming in schools. Or women who have stopped menstruating and aren't eager child bearers. Or cat ladies trying to steal subsidies from parents.

    1. BYODB   10 months ago

      If there is one thing JFree is absolutely sure of, it's that the government is always honest about what they are surveilling.

      There's even a word for the practice: parallel construction.

  5. IceTrey   10 months ago

    What a fucking idiot. How can smart people be so dumb? If you want to lower gun violence end drug prohibition.

    1. Rick James   10 months ago

      Progressive political districts already did that, and (gun) crime went through the roof.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

        [wrong post]

      2. IceTrey   10 months ago

        Decriminalization isn’t legalization drugs are still provided by the cartels and sold on the streets. When legal drugs will be made by Pfizer and sold in Walmart. That's when the gun violence stops.

        1. mad.casual   10 months ago

          I thought your original post was sarcasm.

          Even by it's own nominal principles, "Undercut the cartels' revenue streams by legalizing drugs and gun violence will subside." does not sound like a very smart line of reasoning. That doesn't mean "Keep them illegal and ban guns too." is more intelligent or that we should stick with it (or just the first half), just that "If we take away the income from all the armed drug dealers, they'll just put down their guns, take a paycut, learn to code, and work their way up the IT ladder or take jobs in Amazon warehouses ore something." isn't necessarily better.

        2. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

          That will never happen with dangerous addictive drugs, and it would be an easily foreseeable catastrophe if it did.

          1. Mark U   10 months ago

            And I suppose you think the war on drugs hasn't been an easily foreseeable catastrophe.

            1. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

              "Drugs" is an invalid category that lumps together substances and behaviors that vastly differ from each other. We can't treat Fentanyl like aspirin. We can't treat heroin like weed.

    2. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

      If you want to lower gun violence end drug prohibition.

      That's not getting to the root of the problem. We know where most armed violent criminals come from: they are raised in households without fathers on public assistance. End subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women, and over the next three or four decades the rates of violent crimes will drop substantially.

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   10 months ago

        Require Depo to receive food stamps.

        1. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

          Right now we do just the opposite—we require young women to have a baby and be unmarried in order to receive public assistance.

  6. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

    “There are no blue states; only 15-20 blue cities that want to tell the rest of us what to do.”

    Cannot think of a better illustration of this axiom.

    As for “Bazelon allows that we’re entitled to privacy in our homes and businesses,” don’t count on that generous spirit going on forever. How else will our protectors be able to garner evidence of micro oppressions?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      But if we did not rely on superior elite people to tell us what to do, how could we survive?

    2. Rise of the Impedance   10 months ago

      All of California east of "The 5" agrees with that statement.

  7. Roberta   10 months ago

    I agree with her, and have for decades. The problem is not cameras, the problem is victimless crime laws.

    You don't want to deprive people of weapons just because some people will misuse them, do you? Don't go after the instruments, go after the wrong use of them.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      I think the issue is that what occurs in discreet urban environments and the universal application of laws and rules. It cannot be constitutional in one environment and not in another, so we all end up having to play by the same rules in urban Michigan as in Belmont [Detroit]; if government wants to disarm the hood, them we all get screwed whether our homicide rate is 58.27 per 100,000 [Baltimore MD] or 1.1 per 100 K [the entire state of New Hampshire]. Maybe it's time to make a division or two.

      1. mad.casual   10 months ago

        Maybe it’s time to make a division or two.

        The existence of ladders trump imaginary social constructs.

  8. Bill Dalasio   10 months ago

    Almost enough to make you wonder how liberty-minded these "reformists" ever were. It strikes me that, when you scratch the surface, these guys were always as inclined toward incarceration as the law-and-order types. They just had a different target.

  9. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

    If you see something, say something.

    Or if you just don't like your neighbor, say something.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      The outcome if not the purpose of "hate crimes" [as dx in today's Brickbat].

  10. Rick James   10 months ago

    Um, *looks around room* 'reformist prosecutors' (ie, progressive, likely soros-funded) are NOT focused on liberty. This is neither surprising nor out of character.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   10 months ago

      They are “reformist” on CJ much like the Southern Baptist Convention is “reformist” on Drag Queen Story Hour - as in reforming it to oblivion

  11. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

    """Those potential harms should be weighed against the suffering of neighborhoods where shootings routinely go unsolved""

    Check the neighborhoods where they go unsolved. Snitches wear stiches.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      Right; the first thought I had was just how long those cameras would last in a high crime neighborhood.

      1. IceTrey   10 months ago

        The cameras in London are constantly being cut down.

    2. Eeyore   10 months ago

      I find it rude to force a culture of not shooting each other, upon a culture of shooting each other. Almost as bad a cultural appropriation.

      1. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

        You jest, but a spiritual movement to reform the debased inner city culture is the only way for the violence to be reduce relatively quickly. We need an Afro-American John Wesley.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

          I seriously wonder what that would look like.

          The "Great Awokening" certainly didn't accomplish anything but more victim culture.

  12. MWAocdoc   10 months ago

    I have heard people say that they don’t object to surveillance because they have nothing to hide. I suspect that they would have a “change of heart” in the opposite direction from Dana’s if an official in power abused the information to ruin their lives no matter how innocent they were. The entire lives of totally innocent people are ruined every day by officials with a personal grudge, or for personal gain, or just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Suppose, for example, that a Prosecutor looking to put another notch in her political belt happened to identify you in an image near where a heinous crime had been committed. Suppose that that Prosecutor decides that it doesn’t matter whether you actually had anything to do with the crime or not, arresting you and pinning it on you becomes the mission, replacing justice. This actually happened to a man who happened to be eating his lunch on break from his job as an engineer in a picnic area a mile from where a bank robbery went wrong. Witnesses refused to identify him in lineups, yet he was convicted of the armed robbery anyway, his career was ruined and he remained in jail for a very long time before he was finally exonerated. Don’t give your officials more tools to abuse than they already have – they already have plenty!

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      Your post brings Cackles to mind...from what I hear and read, she fits that description of a ruthless and unethical prosecutor quite well.

  13. Public Entelectual   10 months ago

    Is Kamala planning a post-inaugural celebration of the 50th anniversary of the book that made surveillance academically respectable?

    https://x.com/RussellSeitz/status/1822449135812743180

    1. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

      You think she reads books?

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      "Being Offensive IS an Offense:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-56154542

  14. Uncle Jay   10 months ago

    Surveillance state = Police state.

  15. CE   10 months ago

    Tim Walz can help them set up a neighborhood/family snitch line, like he did for COVID lockdown violations.

  16. Wally   10 months ago

    The very same people that are letting violent felons go free want to set up cameras? Clearly they want regular citizens afraid of both the government and criminals. With the power of that fear, government has the tools to silence dissent and the driving force to obtain more power and control.

  17. Ratwrangler   10 months ago

    No American citizen should have the illusion of privacy on public grounds, but they should be confident that any government agencies accessing this information will not wantonly share it, nor view it without just cause. Congress needs to get out of the 19th century and into the 21st so they can write comprehensive laws regarding the collection, use, and disposal of all electronic data.

    1. Vernon Depner   10 months ago

      There is no such thing as disposal of electronic data. Any info the government collects will be stored indefinitely and used maliciously.

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