Recession Is Not Inevitable, Despite Stock Market Slump
A few reasons to remain calm about the economy

It's OK to calm down about the economy. Yes, Friday's unemployment news was bad. Yes, the NASDAQ and Dow Jones neared correction territory on Friday morning. And yes, the Sahm Rule Recession Indicator has now been triggered. Odds are, though, a recession is not imminent.
Here are three reasons why, in descending order of optimism. One, recent growth has been strong. Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while, and some kind of job growth slowdown is almost inevitable. Three, we're past the window where Federal Reserve actions can influence the election, though its recent behavior is still worrying.
Last week, the media's manic mood swing was on the exuberant side from news of a strong 2.8 percent gross domestic product (GDP) growth in the second quarter of 2024, which ended on June 30. This was a surprise improvement on the previous quarter's 1.4 percent growth. A normal reading is around 2 percent. Better, most of that growth was in the private sector, especially in consumer spending and inventory investment.
The current quarter's GDP growth estimate will come out on October 30. It would take a drastic swing to move from 2.8 percent to negative in just one quarter, though it has happened before. It typically takes two consecutive quarters of negative growth for the National Bureau of Economic Research to declare a recession, though its official standard is to call it as they see it.
The unemployment rate went up from 4.1 percent in June to 4.3 percent in July. June's reading snapped a 30-month streak of unemployment at or under 4 percent. This was the longest such streak since the 1960s.
For context, anything under 5 percent is considered pretty good. The eurozone's unemployment rate is currently 6 percent and often tops 10 percent, even in good times.
When an economy is essentially at full employment, a slowdown in job growth isn't necessarily cause for worry. The economy still has 8 million job openings, and the labor force still grew by 114,000 jobs. That annualizes to more than a million more jobs per year.
That is slower than population growth, which isn't ideal. The labor force participation rate is also still below prepandemic levels. But a sane immigration policy combined with labor reforms like loosening occupational licensing requirements would fill more of those job openings while creating more opportunities for workers who are still outside the labor force.
The Federal Reserve's recent actions spark some worry. The Fed has spent the last two-and-a-half years walking back its panicked overreaction to COVID-19, which caused high inflation in the first place, along with a bipartisan deficit spending explosion. Inflation is finally slowing and getting back close to its 2 percent target, down from its 9.2 percent peak.
The trouble is that Fed Chairman Jerome Powell indicated that the Fed will stop focusing solely on inflation and will now pay attention to the labor market as well. The Fed has a dual mandate that tasks it with both keeping inflation low and keeping employment high. These can contradict each other, as Powell might soon find out.
If unemployment continues to worsen, look for the Fed to counteract that with stimulus in the form of interest rate cuts and monetary expansion. The tradeoff to this stimulus is higher inflation—exactly what the Fed has been fighting.
While an expected interest rate cut in September isn't a big deal by itself, if it's the start of a larger stimulus campaign, any short-term economic boost will come at the cost of a slowdown later.
The Fed's actions have lag times ranging from about six months to 18 months, so anything it does now will not impact the election. This is good news for the Fed's independence, but it does not inspire faith in Powell's commitment to fighting inflation. It would be better for the Fed to stay focused on inflation. Monetary policy is a poor tool for job creation. Entrepreneurs have a much better track record.
As usual, the big picture is a mix of short-term pessimism and long-term optimism. Whether or not the current recession doommongering comes true, the long-term trend of increasing superabundance will hold. That's as good a reason for calm as any.
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Perfect timing for this article. Dow down 1,200 points.
LOL
"Remain calm,all is well!"
-Chip Diller
…..interest rate cuts and monetary expansion. The tradeoff to this stimulus is higher inflation….
Many experts have told us that inflation is caused by corporate greed and cheesy poofs not being purchased in bulk.
Stay calm. We will revise the numbers as soon as we figure out what the correct numbers should have been.
LOL^^^ Wins the thread
Just like with voting!
Was just about to make this remark but glanced a couple lined down. 🙂
Here are three reasons why, in descending order of optimism. One, recent growth has been strong. Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while
OBVIOUSLY A DEMOCRAT!
Not everyone enjoys getting smoke blown up their ass.
Send Ryan Young a note to remind him that when a Dem is president the economy always sucks and when a Repub is president the economy is fantastic.
That is really all the Econ a Peanut needs to know.
Or does.
All anyone needs to know about you is your background. Pedo, liar, shamless.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Are those the new democrat talking points you sheep, I mean voters oops can't call you that, what are you lackey!
I run the economy for 3 years but it's the guy before me fault.
I have to save democracy but not letting people vote!
I think ‘toadie’ is a better word for him.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
He is too stupid to note the government spending and jobs for points 1 or 2. So opinion is worthless lol.
Credit Donnie for that record high federal spending!
turd, the TDS addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Still can't figure out how government works. Pretty sad at this point.
Totally not a Democrat.
It’s true though. Trump signed the CARES Act with much fanfare, and emergency spending always becomes the new budget baseline. Facts aren't partisan.
Also doesn't understand how government works nor which party carried it forward in baseline budgeting then doubled the spending.
Before the CARES Act, emergency spending for the housing bubble, TARP (signed by a Republican), became the new baseline. Doesn’t matter which party is in charge. They do the same thing. Two sides of the same coin.
By attacking one side and defending the other, you only serve to perpetuate the duopoly. The problem isn’t the side of the coin, it’s the coin itself.
Yes sarc. It doesn't matter it is democrats in your examples who took one time spending programs and made them part of the baseline.
We already understand you can't blame democrats for their behaviors. They mean well and all.
Your projection at the end was pretty hilarious BTW. I attack the GOPe more than you'll even attack Biden since you became a DNC cocksucker. Lol.
What’s with all the gay stuff? Accusing me of drinking jeff’s semen and sucking DNC cock. Is that suppose to be an insult or something? It's just gross. You’re acting like a child. Grow up.
"What’s with all the gay stuff?"
Have you ever read any of your own posts? I recall one with you imitating the gay lisp pretty recently.
Blaming current spending on Trump (ignoring for a minute that I try to stay consistent on putting spending on Congress and not whatever asshole occupies the White House), is just plain stupid. I know you understand this because you agreed with CE below and because you acknowledge that the Democrats have taken those supposed one time spending bills and used them to create the new baseline at least twice.
That’s not to absolve Trump signing and touting the CARES act, but I think there is a fundamental difference between them (the spending). Also, I’ll note that both that and TARP were Pelosi’s babies.
(None of that is what makes shrike a Demshill though. You’ve been here long enough to have seen his posting from Bush the Lesser all the way to now to know why I call him that.)
It’s disingenuous to credit Trump for signing laws you like and blame Democrats when he signs laws you don’t like. That’s like saying “heads I win, tails you lose.”
Fact is that emergency spending becomes the new baseline. He signed the emergency spending into law, and it became the new baseline. So he set the ball rolling, like it or not. Did Biden make it worse? Yes he did. But worse means it was already bad.
The bills that I like that he signed weren’t spending bills, they were policy bills that the Administration advocated for with Congressional leadership (honestly the only one I can think of off the top of my head was First Step).
How is it disingenuous to not like any of the spending bills he signed and lay them all at the feet of Congress? It’s not like I’m sitting here blaming Biden for the current spending binge just because he’s signed the bills.
Sorry. I forget sometimes that you're a reasonable person.
Hey dumbass. This has been most of your enemies takes here the entire time. We tend to blame the branch who is responsible. You’ve been told this dozens of times at this point.
Stop being fucking dishonest.
Examples:
First step/tax cuts pushed by Trump. He gets some credit.
Bidens energy policy/loans he get blamed as they were through EOs.
Spending mostly congress. This one is weird because you continue to blame the increased spending on trumpnsolely even 4 years later even after the passage of the IRA.
Take a sedative you fucking psycho.
Sarc, apologize to Jesse and go away forever. Bonus points if you give yourself a retroactive abortion.
Sarc skips right over where you say you blame Congress primarily. My take as well and consistently since 2000.
Sarc seems to find whatever conservative he can find and blames them in isolation.
Hey buddy. Which branch is responsible for the baseline?
TARP was even deficit neutral as Bush held the loans to be required to be paid back. Unlike the democeat loans for the IRA or PPP.
Trump spent too much in his last year in office.
Biden spent too much for 4 years in a row.
True.
You misspelled "Biden"...again.
Really, you're dumb enough to think people are dumb enough to believe this?
Not counting the lower labor participation rate because so many people have fallen below the threshold of looking for work.
Number of citizens employed is still under 2019 levels by 1M
What about non citiziens.
Up 3.5M
That's a lot of food trucks.
Yep. Thats the Pedo Jeffy job market.
One, recent growth has been strong. Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while, and some kind of job growth slowdown is almost inevitable. Three, we’re past the window where Federal Reserve actions can influence the election, though its recent behavior is still worrying.
Remove government spending and jobs from those first 2 and how do things look? And 3 is just a dumb assertion.
3 reveals the true motivation behind the lies in 1 & 2.
Just a reminder that the unemployment rate is not the flip side of full employment. Unemployment rate is a fabricated statistic having to do with people who file for benefits while currently looking for work. It is not the relevant statistic. A much more accurate and useful number is the percent of adults currently employed.
It's all Trumps FAULT! /s
per SQRLSY.
Recession is not inevitable. Total economic collapse on the other hand...
Don't worry; we should be able to fix that with a world war.
Everyone knows that a recession is coming because there's a Democrat in the White House. If Trump were president, they would be scrambling to defend him.
Shrike looked retarded with the same retarded statement.
"Tulpa"
You think my hate club cares if the comments are me or an impersonator?
This is a comment you've now made hundreds of times. Does it matter?
As the chairman of my hate club, I'll leave that question for you.
I laugh my ass off at comedies too, at comedians, etc. I dont hate them.
You just hate having your hypocrisy and idiocy exposed. Which makes it extra hilarious. Watching you push dnc talking points because jeff is nice to you is fucking funny. Like citing Jen Psaki then backing it up with wiki citing... Jen Psaki. Fucking. Hilarious.
Your obsession is duly noted.
You should go away now Drunky.
Stop. We still think Biden should be carved into Mt. Rushmore, dammit
"If"? Trump was president and there was no recession.
No need to defend him; because Democrats caused it as they did the Great Depression, Great Recession, Biden-Inflation, etc, etc, etc.
Am I the only one that noticed the Asian guy with the mullet? Stock trader in the front, meth dealer in the back. Classic.
Sure that's not a female male?
That's his Ninja body guard.
Somehow the mullet today is what the fauxhawk of the late aughts was. A perfectly acceptable haircut for a young man with more money than class.
Debt bubble goes "pop!"
It's the stupid, economy!
We can’t possibly be the only people that have noticed the jobs numbers being revised down nearly every month for over a year now, so I don’t see how these shitty numbers are somehow a shock to others.
Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while
Uh… no.
As usual, the big picture is a mix of short-term pessimism and long-term optimism.
He did it! He did the meme!
https://i.giphy.com/QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO.webp
Stay calm! We wouldn’t want digital brokerage runs or the ability to sign in to sites affected. Wait, that’s what happened with Schwab this morning- hmmmmm.
Full employment- Maoist grant migrant or climate jobs. A wise lady in Britain once quipped “the problem with socialism (jobs programs that do not produce anything) is eventually, you run out of other people’s money”
O/T: Electric cars and charger rationing - good times
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/04/business/electric-vehicles-ev-charging/index.html
What’s wrong? EV fast chargers – the big tall units that look like major appliances – aren’t generally designed to completely fill an EV’s batteries. They are designed to pour electricity into a battery quickly so drivers can make a short stop and get back on the road after, say, 20 minutes or so.
I can fill my battery with liquid electricity in about 3 minutes.
And 20 minutes is bullshit. Most fast charging EV’s take over 40 minutes to go from 10 to 80% charge. Thats also assuming that the charging station is working properly. They often charge much slower than they’re supposed to.
Given that a lack of public charging is turning many consumers off to EVs, according to multiple surveys, this is a major issue.
Well yeah, that and a battery repair for a $43,000 electric Hyundai costs $43,000.
When an economy is essentially at full employment, a slowdown in job growth isn't necessarily cause for worry. The economy still has 8 million job openings, and the labor force still grew by 114,000 jobs. That annualizes to more than a million more jobs per year.
Yeah, about that... job openings are not job openings. Patrick Boyle covered this in a video where he pointed out that the tech sector lost over 100,000 jobs, and while there were more job openings than the tech sector lost, most of those job openings were in hospitality, food service and healthcare.
So sure, if you want to learn to not code, you're in catnip.
Maybe this is what you meant, but—advertised "openings" aren't necessarily actual openings that employers intend to fill.
That’s the worst part of all this.
Does anyone really give a flying fuck anymore what the stock market is doing? I mean, sure, I have my retirement savings mostly invested but am not planning to retire for at least 12 more years so what happens now isn’t going to mean much. The only people who obsess about are day traders and politicians.
The majority of us who don't have retirement savings care even less.
“but am not planning to retire for at least 12 years”.
I’d say Japan’s Nikkei 225 is a cautionary tale for U.S. investors, especially those nearing retirement age. Those wealth numbers on the screen are not real until you cash in.
If you don’t believe me, pull up a graph adjusted for inflation -Nikkei 225.
'Odds are, though, a recession is not imminent. Here are three reasons why, in descending order of optimism. One, recent growth has been strong. Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while, and some kind of job growth slowdown is almost inevitable. Three, we're past the window where Federal Reserve actions can influence the election, though its recent behavior is still worrying.'
What about: Four, given the proven strategy for our government to lie, and the proven eagerness of our national media to echo any official narrative, a recession might happen but we will never hear it labeled as such.
Low worker participation rate
More part time jobs than full time for the year
Most jobs in government
Constant revisions in the dead of night
2 trillion deficit for the year
As for the 2.8% GDP - simple search by Google - Faster growth reflected a pick-up in private consumption and business fixed investment, a stronger build in private inventories, and more government spending—particularly national defense investments
Things only cost 30% more than 2021 but the economy is great!
Bidenomics rocks!
...and if you like Bidenomics, then you'll just love Kamalanomics!
This Kamala Crash is a good indicator of the shape of things to come.
A lot of these job "gains" are (1) part time or government and (2) essentially replacing jobs that were lost in the pandemic. They're not net gains. The reduction in hours and inflation offset the any benefits full time employment.
This is what's called gaslighting. As a nation, America is experiencing a crisis in confidence in government and job security. The fact that a nominally "anti government" publication would just toe the government line by reciting surface numbers is astonishing. America is as fully employed as Joe Biden is sharp as a tack. You can't tell us to disbelieve our own eyes. People being forced to take multiple part time jobs is only fully employed in a technical sense.
Let's not beat around the Bush here. This crash is will be among the many forthcoming factors to fully push us to an AI driven economy. We just let in millions of low skill workers into the economy at a time when retail and brick and mortar model will continue to decline, and fast food is going the way of Blockbuster. And it certainly looks like the job market ran out of positions for these migrants to fill.
It's a stock market slump when democrats are in office.
It's a stock market crash when republicans are in office.
Please note the difference.
Recession has been inevitable ever since Biden was shoehorned into the Oval Office.
We've been in a recession since last October.
Most of the new jobs have gone to immigrants and government workers.
This article didn't age well and it's not even a day old.
Yeesh. This market has little to do with the real economy. It has everything to do with the carry trade (borrowing in yen to buy assets in other currencies). The nanosecond yen interest rates are gonna go up while the next likely move for interest rates in dollars is down, then that carry trade has to be unwound or hedge funds go bankrupt. Not that that’s a bad thing.
And the AI hypetrain is like much of tech not driven by existing profits but by hot air about future eyeballs – no profits – aah something. The time is ripe for investors in those half dozen stocks to have taken their stock profits off the table because the corporate profits aren’t gonna be real for at least a while.
Now we need to move the economy back to selling houses to each other. But first - Wall St probably has to create a financial crisis.
You democrats are doing a good job of wrecking the US economy.
Crash crash crash crash!
The market is overvalued. I'm so ready to buy.
All wrong, Ryan.
One, recent growth has been strong. ...the statistics that back that have been cooked. Even Paul Krugman had to back off on that claim: "NY Times’ Paul Krugman says ‘inflation is over’ — if you exclude food, gas and rent " Now Biden is pushing for national rent control, as sure a way to kill growth as there is
Two, the economy has been near full employment for a while, and some kind of job growth slowdown is almost inevitable. --NO, the number of people with two jobs has exploded. The counting of immigrant jobs as American jobs is undeniable and the back-changing of employment stats to create a false 'increase' has been proven.
Three, we're past the window where Federal Reserve actions can influence the election, though its recent behavior is still worrying... Here , Ryan, you just leave reality completely
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A study by 3 Ph.D. economists at the San Francisco Fed has found that “price markups for goods and services” — aka, price gouging — has “not been a main driver” of recent inflation. Instead, the root causes are “large” federal government “fiscal transfers and increased unemployment benefits” (aka, social spending) and Federal Reserve policies like lowering “the federal funds rate target to essentially zero.”
For decades, our economy has been propped up by below-market interest rates, an expanding money supply and ever-increasing debt. Get rid of any of these three things and the economy will tank. Continue them, and eventually the entire house of cards collapses. I don't know when, but the biggest economic crash in human history is in front of us, and there's no way to avoid it.