Dismissal of Trump Classified Documents Case Checks the Power of Special Counsels
The decision agreed with Trump that Special Counsel Jack Smith was improperly appointed, which could have positive downstream effects for the rest of us, as well.

Less than 48 hours after surviving an assassination attempt, former President Donald Trump received a bit of good news—which could have positive downstream effects for the rest of us, as well.
In 2023, Special Counsel Jack Smith brought a 42-count indictment over Trump's "willful retention" of classified documents he was no longer allowed to possess after leaving office. Trump's attorneys have argued, among other things, that Smith was improperly appointed to his position.
On Monday, Judge Aileen Cannon of the U.S. District Court for Southern Florida agreed and dismissed the case.
U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland originally appointed Smith in November 2022 to oversee two separate investigations of Trump, one pertaining to "efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election" and the other relating to classified documents.
"The Appointments Clause [of the U.S. Constitution] does not permit the Attorney General to appoint, without Senate confirmation, a private citizen and like-minded political ally to wield the prosecutorial power of the United States," Trump alleged in a February filing. "As such, Jack Smith lacks the authority to prosecute this action."
"The Appointments Clause requires that any appointment be with the 'Advice and Consent of the Senate.' It follows, then, that to properly establish a federal office, Congress must enact it," the filing continued. "There is, however, no statute establishing the Office of Special Counsel. As a result, because neither the Constitution nor Congress have created the office of the 'Special Counsel,' Smith's appointment is invalid and any prosecutorial power he seeks to wield is ultra vires"—meaning, beyond his legal authority.
Cannon, whom Trump originally appointed to the bench, agreed: "The Appointments Clause is a critical constitutional restriction stemming from the separation of powers, and it gives to Congress a considered role in determining the propriety of vesting appointment power for inferior officers," she wrote on Monday. "The Special Counsel's position effectively usurps that important legislative authority, transferring it to a Head of Department, and in the process threatening the structural liberty inherent in the separation of powers."
Cannon did not completely foreclose the possibility of prosecuting Trump in the documents case, but she held that the use of a special counsel "to investigate and prosecute this action with the full powers of a United States Attorney" would need to go through the proper channels, either by Senate confirmation or passing a law.
Federal agents first raided Trump's Florida resort home in August 2022, turning up over 300 records marked as classified. The raid came after more than a year of discussions in which Trump brushed off requests from the National Archives and Records Administration to return missing documents.
Cannon became involved in the case soon after, when she granted Trump's request that a "special master" review the documents and verify if they were actually classified. Trump based his request on the premise that in fact he had secretly declassified all of the documents while leaving office, a theory Reason's Jacob Sullum called "implausible" and "legally irrelevant." The appointed special master disagreed with Trump, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit later reversed Cannon's order, claiming that she had acted outside the scope of her authority.
Ever since, commentators have accused Cannon of being in the tank for Trump, or perhaps just in over her head. "It is wholly inappropriate to have somebody with that combination of bias and inexperience handling a case like this," wrote MSNBC legal analyst Andrew Weissmann.
"Over and over," Cannon "has treated seriously arguments that many, if not most, federal judges would have rejected out of hand," wrote The New York Times' Alan Feuer in May.
This week's order will likely just pour gasoline on that fire. But taken as a whole, it could have positive downstream effects on the legal system.
Granted, the order as written would allow Trump to avoid consequences for his actions—retaining classified documents for no apparent reason other than a sense of entitlement, and obstructing the investigation, after making such political hay of his 2016 opponent's alleged mishandling of classified emails.
But as it pertains to the appointment of special counsels, there are silver linings.
"A special counsel is supposed to ensure that the Justice Department can credibly conduct sensitive investigations that are and that appear to be fair and apolitical. Yet special counsels (and their precursors) have for decades failed to achieve this goal," wrote Jack Goldsmith, a former assistant attorney general under President George W. Bush, in March. "It is time to kill the special counsel institution."
"Good riddance," agrees Josh Blackman, a constitutional law professor at South Texas College of Law Houston. "The concept that prosecution can be divorced from politics was always a fantasy."
Indeed, the regulations governing special counsels afford enormous power. "They deny the attorney general 'day-to-day supervision' of a special counsel," Goldsmith wrote. "And attorneys general tend not to want the ultimate responsibility…because it puts them more centrally in political cross hairs, which is contrary to the department's ethos to appear apolitical. Checking special counsels' excesses or failing to publish their reports invariably seems like political meddling or cover-up."
Indeed, special counsels (and their predecessors, independent counsels) are routinely criticized for overstepping their authority in one direction or the other. As Goldsmith wrote, many criticized Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr for "including salacious and politically damaging but legally irrelevant details in a referral to Congress that laid out grounds for [President Bill] Clinton's possible impeachment." And after a yearslong investigation into Trump's potential ties to Russian interference in the 2016 election, Special Counsel Robert Mueller "drew justified criticism when he departed from the special counsel regulations by refusing to decide whether Mr. Trump had committed prosecutable crimes while commenting that his report did not 'exonerate' him."
After all, special counsels are just prosecutors with different titles, and prosecutors—even when not exceeding their authority—are the single most powerful entities in the criminal justice system.
While the government is almost certain to appeal Cannon's ruling, as written, it would have repercussions in other cases: Garland appointed U.S. Attorney David Weiss as special counsel in the ongoing investigations of Hunter Biden, the beleaguered son of President Joe Biden, using the exact same authorities as when he appointed Smith.
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Winning.
Granted, the order as written would allow Trump to avoid consequences for his actions—retaining classified documents for no apparent reason other than a sense of entitlement, and obstructing the investigation, after making such political hay of his 2016 opponent's alleged mishandling of classified emails.
You are a fucking idiot to write this. Trump was President, Clinton was Secretary of State.
Clinton 'mishandled' classified emails by literally breaking the law in an attempt to evade FOIA. Trump, if he did mishandle classified documents, was in a position to declassify them at his whim and specifically not to commit another crime (that being evasion of FOIA requirements). He was, actually, entitled to do that.
This is horse shit equivalency, and it's making you retarded.
And there is no Alleged about it, she kept classified information on a personal server and then when it was under subpoena destroyed the evidence. This is a proven fact.
Biden told his publisher he kept classified documents to enrich himself for a memoir.
It's alleged because she destroyed all the evidence despite the subpoena, and that's enough to keep it in the 'alleged' column which is all it takes for a Clinton. Never mind that the evidence destruction is, itself, a crime.
I mean, sure, it's 'alleged' but it might be noteworthy about why it's 'alleged', that being the destruction of evidence which is, again, a crime on top of a crime.
I can be charitable and say maybe she wasn't guilty and the whole thing was a circus, but then why destroy evidence of your innocence when you know are you being subpoenaed for that very thing?
The only conceivable answers I can come up with is 'because you are guilty of the thing' or 'you are stupid beyond belief'. One thing I don't believe is that Hillary Clinton is stupid.
They found copies of her emails on Humas pedo husbands laptop.
No Comey came out and said publicly that she was guilty of destroying documents and then chose not to forward charges. These people are evil and will do anything for power.
I’m aware, but don’t have much interest in rehashing everything.
Should have perhaps said it’s ‘alleged’ because she was never actually found guilty, which is technically true.
If butplug were here, this is where he would type benghazi in all caps.
Obama still had classified documents in 2020.
I find it interesting that people continue to try and find equivalency between Trump, who as President has unlimited authority to declassify anything and decide what are his presidential papers, what needs to be turned over to The National Archive (who has no power to decide what the President must do in this) and what is personnel, with Biden who took classified material while a Senator and disseminated it to his biographer and Clinton who was Sec of State. When Clinton was discovered to have a server in her bathroom accessed by at least 5 foreign powers she destroyed it rather than turning it over. Both have no authority to remove any classified material.
The contents of that server, 'secret' or otherwise were known to every nation with a 16YO kid and a computer within 24 hours of its bootup.
Federal agents first raided Trump's Florida resort home in August 2022, turning up over 300 records marked as classified.
Marked as classified? On the documents themselves, or on the FBI-printed cover sheets that they brought with them?
https://notthebee.com/article/remember-when-the-fbi-shared-the-photos-of-the-docs-trump-had-at-mar-a-lago-yeah-they-added-the-cover-pages-themselves-for-show
Per illegal prosecutor Jack Smith's own court filing:
"As part of the processing of seized documents marked classified, ERT photographed the documents (with appropriate cover sheets added by FBI Personnel) next to the box in which they were located."
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1805586898837975457
Yeah. It is insane how Joe and Jacob have no problem pushing these lies.
I can take a Spec sheet for a component and have it declared "Top Secret". That doesn't mean that any copy of that sheet is automatically classified. It means that the use I have for that component is classified.
The President has the final say on classification. The act of his taking the documents could be in itself a declaration of declassification. The other thing is that a former President is an advisor to the current President. That's why he is given an allowance for an office and staff. That in itself is justification to have classified materials.
Until the USSC makes a ruling on the President's powers on classification this is nothing. Biden's and Clinton's treatment of classified material is a CRIME. Remember the sailor on the attack submarine who took pictures of the Control Room of the sub. Nothing in his pictures was classified, as a matter of fact you can see video of that same sub's Control Room on YouTube. The ACT of his taking the pictures was against security protocol, that's what got him in trouble.
He can't stop winning, can he? What a streak!
Sullum too busy crying into his frosted flakes?
I'm guessing the husband of a friend is probably having a bit of a breakdown today, between Trump not dying on Saturday, and now this. I'm giggling at the thought of it.
Federal agents first raided Trump's Florida resort home in August 2022, turning up over 300 records marked as classified.
Hey Joe... this is a fucking lie. Those cover sheets were brought by the DoJ team. Majority of the papers were working papers and unmarked.
If you're going to comment on a case try following the case. Youre the reason the DoJ staged that picture.
The raid came after more than a year of discussions in which Trump brushed off requests from the National Archives and Records Administration to return missing documents.
This is also false. They had been working consistently including returning documents just 2 months prior. His lawyers agreed to even escort people through Mar A Lago just a month earlier. Again the markings you mentioned were cover sheets the DOJ brought themselves.
What the fuck is wrong with you? What fucking dishonesty.
Then the 2nd half of the article devolves into purely partisan nonsense quoting MSNBC legal scholats. Lol.
God damn Joe. Did sullum write the second half?
Oh, is that the new narrative? The FBI is framing Trump by putting fake classified labels on those documents?
They admitted to doing it in court filings. They also admitted that they couldn’t be certain that the documents were put back in the order they were found or even in the same boxes at all. Given that some boxes were shipped to Mar-A-Lago before Trump left office, and some were shipped there afterwards, this is a rather material fact.
Jeff has links in comments above. He doesn't give a shit about the facts. He is a creature of narrative.
They admitted to putting FAKE classified labels on documents?
Or, they put ACCURATE classified labels on documents that really were classified but lacking a cover sheet?
Your source doesn't say either way.
You are presuming a fact not yet proven - that a single one of the documents was classified at that time. All you have at this point is the assertions of Jay Bratt, Smith’s deputy special counsel. Of course, in the indictment, Bratt did a lot of assuming and presuming.
Given that they can't even say if things were put back in the correct order or even in the original boxes and that I doubt they videoed themselves putting the cover sheets on various documents, I guarantee the answer is they don't even know.
Pay attention. It has been known for a few months now that when the FBI raided Mar A Lago they brought along cover sheets, removed the files from the boxes in no particular order then put cover sheets on them and took those infamous pictures. No idea what was under those cover sheets or even if the people pulling the files had authority to see them.
Actually, it is likely that they did have authority to see them. My understanding is that the FBI side of the MAL raid was run by agents in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, out of DC. Where Peter Strzok was a branch chief, and Kevin Clinesmith was an attorney. They provided the agents who interviewed Gen Flynn in their perjury trap, ran the Midyear Exam and Crossfire Hurricane investigations, illegally acquired 4 fraudulent FISA warrants on Carter Page (presumably to electronically surveillance Trump and his inner circle, even well into his Presidency. Etc. ostensibly, they were there because of their security clearances and expertise with classified material. But a cynic might question whether their real purpose running the raid involved covering up their previous misdeeds and the like.
The 13 inch binder is still missing.
It's all about perception. Staged the same way as Jan. 6th.
>>Special Counsel Jack Smith
quote marks missing on two of those words
"Special" as in "special education"?
"Special' Olympics.
>>Federal agents first raided Trump's Florida resort home in August 2022, turning up over 300 records marked as classified.
Sullum is not a reliable source on this matter.
Oh, he gets quoted again later. It is pretty fucking hilarious.
shameless.
Congress created an "independent counsel" statute back in the Clinton days to shield the DOJ from charges of political prosecutions. The shit got stupid and congress let that authority lapse. When Trump showed up the DOJ created a "special counsel" regulation without congressional approval. Like most of the law we all labor under they literally pulled it out of their asses. I think Cannon is right on this and I think the Supremes will agree. If it ever gets that far.
It will be interesting to see if this is actually appealed all the way to SCOTUS or if the Circuit will cave to avoid a definitive ruling from this court since it seems hell bent on dismantling the bureaucratic state.
I think that the TDS crowd doesn’t really want this to go above the 5th Circuit. Thomas probably has 3 firm votes, and 3 more fairly firm votes, from their decisions over the last month or two.
Most likely right. The Independent Council statute Garland seems to think gives him the power to appoint private citizens with more power than US Attorneys and unlimited resources from the Treasury expired in 1999 and Congress has not reauthorized it to my knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This issue is long overdue to be heard at SCOTUS. If not then the AG can bypass Congress and appoint Special Council's at his whim to investigate anything with no limit on authority and the entire Treasury to loot in doing so. I don't care who the President is, this is not a tenable position for our rule of law.
Trump possessed no classified documents! He had declassified everything as was his perogative. How hard is that to understand?
I don't recall Trump ever making that claim. Did he do it as imho he most certainly could have and told the National Archivist who is a progressive crackpot to pound sand.
Trump possessed no classified documents! He had declassified everything as was his perogative. How hard is that to understand?
I don’t think Trump’s attorneys ever made that claim in court. I don’t think Trump himself ever claimed that he did declassify them, just that he could have.
It is true that he could have, but a) unless there was a paper trail showing that the documents were declassified, or at least someone in the administration was willing to testify that he had declassified them, then Trump would have to testify himself that he had declassified them in order to try and establish that as a fact; b) that wouldn’t change any danger that the information posed to national security, so it wouldn’t change anything about the charges of mishandling the documents; c) it would be irrelevant to the obstruction charges, since, among other things, Trump was not entitled to possess government property anyway and needed to hand them back regardless of security concerns.
The biggest part of this I don’t get is b). This argument you are making is that Trump declassified highly sensitive information, without people in the national security apparatus knowing that it was declassified, and then stored it in random places in his private residence (which is also on a property visited by people with no business having access to national security information), and that he kept all of that information after he was no longer President for some unstated reason. And you think that this guy should get access to our most sensitive secrets and make decisions regarding our safety again???
^ This is the steaming pile of lefty shit who justifies murder as a preventive measure sorta when he likes it:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
FOAD, asshole.
"The biggest part of this I don’t get is b)..."
That's because you're an imbecilic pile of lefty shit: A POTUS can declassify ANYTHING at his discretion.
Now FOAD, asshole.
They are presumed to be declassified if they were in his possession when he left office. This was hashed out long ago.
From what I remember there has been some talk about the process of declassifying documents by Trump himself but I don't think it has come up in court, yet. I think The President has unlimited authority to do so without review by anyone but has Trump said he did it or that he could do it. The latter I think and in my opinion he is correct.
So let me get this straight.
Jack Smith is appointed Special Counsel, apparently in violation of the Appointments Clause. The case is thrown out. Thus restraining the actions of government and forcing government officials to comply with the law.
Jack Smith is appointed Special Counsel, apparently in violation of the Appointments Clause. The case is thrown out. Thus granting the Prez absolute and perpetual immunity from any compliance with any law for damn near everything.
Which one of these is an obscenity written by a conspiracy of judges who are looking to impose a monarchy on this republic via the judicial branch? While taking pardon power away from the President and placing it in the Supreme Court via some penumbrations written in the invisible ink portion of the Constitution.
Just move to Cuba or Venezuela already so you can get your enemies locked up.
God you're an idiot. Nothing prevents a US attorney from prosecuting a former president or anybody else. Jack Smith is not a US Attorney.
That is ONLY Clarence Thomas' concurrence in the Trump immunity case. No other justices signed onto that.
What is wrong with Cannons legal argument dummy?
Was jack Smith ever approved by congress? Weiss was. Smith was not.
Nothing at all is wrong with her argument. That is the first outcome I listed. Everything is wrong with the second outcome - which is the Trump v US opinion.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
FOAD, asshole.
How can you be this stupid?
Wow, are you stretching. Where do you get unlimited authority to do anything a President wants? I see that no where in Cannons opinion and the recent SCOTUS decision on Presidential Immunity specifically said that is not the case. Are you just making things up?
The question was not briefed in the immunity case so it was not ruled on. It was raised in an amicus brief that Thomas responded to. When a district court judge reads dicta in a supreme court ruling advising the lower courts rule on a motion she is currently considering it's almost obligatory that she do so.
Jack Smith is appointed Special Counsel, apparently in violation of the Appointments Clause. The case is thrown out. Thus granting the Prez absolute and perpetual immunity from any compliance with any law for damn near everything.
Well, for one thing that is literally not what just happened so...guess it isn't that option.
What it does say is that Congress is who needs to actually write a law instead of the Executive branch just making shit up as they go.
In fact, they even go on to say they can still pursue the case just not via Jack Smith and via Special Council. Presumably the Attorney General will have to do their job.
I'd guess you probably didn't think much of Ken Starr, so not sure why Jack Smith should be any different.
What it does say is that Congress is who needs to actually write a law instead of the Executive branch just making shit up as they go.
No what it says specifically is Congress may not criminalize the President’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution.
They are not talking about ex post facto laws which are explicitly unconstitutional. They are talking about laws that the Prez himself took an oath of office to faithfully execute. Laws which can no longer be applied against the Prez should he fail to faithfully execute them or indeed deliberately violate them (as long as he isn’t stupid and proclaim personal vengeance).
Of course – the SC still pretends that impeachment is holding a Prez accountable but the reality is that impeachment has NEVER resulted in anything other than a politicized failure. With the partial exception of the conflicts leading up to the Johnson impeachment which resulted in the 14th and 15th amendments. But that is a massively high bar where Congress has to pass constitutional amendments to constrain the Prez. And in any situation where impeachment fails (eg because the criminal violation occurs as the Prez is leaving office should it fail), then the immunity applies forever after.
So in fact, since Congress cannot write any laws that apply to the Prez re anything in the executive branch, the Prez CAN in fact do whatever the fuck he wants. With the only constraint being that he is the only one who is immune so anyone else who makes it happen will have to somehow be pardoned quickly.
womp womp
God you're an idiot. The constitutional question surrounding Smith's appointment is an entirely separate issue from presidential immunity.
"They are not talking about ex post facto laws which are explicitly unconstitutional. They are talking about laws that the Prez himself took an oath of office to faithfully execute. Laws which can no longer be applied against the Prez should he fail to faithfully execute them or indeed deliberately violate them (as long as he isn’t stupid and proclaim personal vengeance)."
Oy...that is absolutely not what the SCOTUS ruling says outside of the fevered imaginations of the truly deranged TDS sufferers.
I have not seen anyone bring up the point that Garland could most certainly pick up the case himself and go forward but I doubt he has the guts and even Biden in his dotage knows what a political landmine that would be. It would be hard, however, as I think everything Smith has touched would need to be thrown out and everything started from scratch. Never going to happen.
I'm not sure where your getting any of this out of the ruling. The ruling was that Garland had no authority under the Constitution to either appoint a private citizen with unlimited authority or pay him with unlimited funds drawn from the Treasury without express authorization from Congress which he did not get. I think that sums it up.
JFucked still thinks if he wears a mask, everything he says is right.
" Garland appointed U.S. Attorney David Weiss as special counsel in the ongoing investigations of Hunter Biden, the beleaguered son of President Joe Biden, using the exact same authorities as when he appointed Smith.'
Sorry Joe this is just wishful thinking. Weiss is a U.S. Attorney nominated by a president and confirmed by the Senate. The DOJ can send out prosecutors to prosecute anybody at any time. They call call these people "special" if it makes them feel good but they still answer to the AG and ultimately to an elected president. Jack Smith on the other hand is not a US Attorney. He was not nominated by the president and he was not confirmed by the senate. Merrick Garland claims he is completely independent and answers to no one. Under the DOJ's regulation they could find a homeless junky on a street corner and give him a budget to prosecute a former president. That is where the Appointments Clause is relevant. And I would add. The only reason for an Independent Prosecutor or it's bastard brother the Independent Counsel is to create political cover for the ruling regime. Biden has been claiming from the beginning of his lawfare that he and his DOJ had no involvement in the prosecutions. Look over there! It's that independent guy! Really amazing that you would attempt to write this when you obviously have absolutely no idea what the argument is even about. This is beyond Sullum stupid. You're in a category all your own Joe
You would think with Eugene Volokh writing metaphorically right next door they could, metaphorically, shout a one-sentence pitch of their article down the hallway to get a "You're retarded! Don't print that stupidity." before demonstrating to everyone how retarded they actually are. Even just an intern to skim everything for any "Mmm... I don't know..." vibes before kicking it up the chain. But, apparently, that's too much effort.
I would not, in fact, think that.
That would require a desire to not just say whatever they think will push ORANGE MAN BAD.
Reason would be more likely to ask Somin than EV.
Weiss is a U.S. Attorney nominated by a president and confirmed by the Senate. The DOJ can send out prosecutors to prosecute anybody at any time. They call call these people “special” if it makes them feel good but they still answer to the AG and ultimately to an elected president. Jack Smith on the other hand is not a US Attorney. He was not nominated by the president and he was not confirmed by the senate. Merrick Garland claims he is completely independent and answers to no one.
If AG Garland has claimed that, he was lying. Garland could fire Jack Smith at any time, though DoJ regulations do seem to require that it be for cause. Of course, who would hold Garland accountable for breaking DoJ regulations? Biden, or perhaps Congress could, obviously, but other than that, I don't think anyone could. And if Garland could fire Jack Smith, he could easily find a way to pressure him if he really wanted to. Which means, of course, that Biden himself could do the same via pressure on Garland, whom he could fire at any time. There would be political consequences for doing so, just as there have been political consequences for letting Smith do what he has done. But to say that Jack Smith doesn't answer to anyone at all is simply not true. If Smith was truly going beyond what Garland or Biden thought was acceptable, they'd risk those political consequences and stop him.
That means, of course, that any argument they make that they don't have anything to do with the prosecution of Donald Trump is false, since Garland appointed Smith in the first place, and Biden appointed Garland. They have a plausible claim not to be directly involved, but it is mostly only their word we have to go by to judge that claim.
The point of appointing a special counsel is that the DoJ would have a potential conflict of interest in an investigation, so handing it over to someone at least somewhat insulated from political pressure is appropriate. There is no way to carry out a prosecution of a political figure completely without politics being involved, but I think a special counsel is a better choice than leaving it entirely within the regular authority of political appointees or people who's careers depend on pleasing political appointees or their ultimate boss, the President.
^ This is the, pathetic, steaming pile of lefty shit who justifies murder as a preventive measure sorta when he likes it:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
FOAD, asshole.
I'm not claiming that Garland can't fire Smith. Garland is claiming that he and the regime have no involvement in or authority over Smith's prosecutions. If an independent prosecutor is a better option congress can create that position. They've already been there and done that and decided it was a lousy idea. If you think they should revisit the issue write your congressman. But that still doesn't make Smith's appointment constitutional.
David Weiss is unaffected by Judge Cannon's decision. He was confirmed by the Senate as the US Attorney for Delaware.
Although Weiss is a US Attorney, I think the point is that Garland has no authority to appoint anyone because Congress never gave him any.
Left out of the article is the second part of Cannon's ruling in that no funds were allocated in a lawful manner for the Special Prosecutor to use. Unlimited looting of The Treasury is not a thing.
Weiss was nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate. Garland can say he’s special or really good looking or super duper. Doesn’t change anything. Garland can say Smith is special or really good looking or super independent but it doesn’t make the appointment constitutional. He has never been a federal officer.
That is much better put than what I wrote and is what I meant. Congress never gave Garland the authority to appoint a Special Council and certainly not a private citizen. Garland has authority to set a US District Attorney on about any case of wrong doing he sees fit to investigate and call him or her Special or not.
Garland appointed U.S. Attorney David Weiss as special counsel in the ongoing investigations of Hunter Biden, the beleaguered son of President Joe Biden, using the exact same authorities as when he appointed Smith.
^Tell me you're a dirt-stupid, pandering hack that shouldn't be allowed around children for fear of mentally damaging them without saying...
Once again kids: No matter how much you hate the media, it isn't enough.
I'm not sure where your vitriol comes from. I think the authors point is that Congress never vested Garland with the power to appoint anyone and certainly not a private citizen with unlimited jurisdiction and transfer unlimited funds from The Treasury for him to flail around beholden to no one.
I've long thought that Independent Prosecutor thing was an abomination.
The special counsels are not "beholden to no one." Even my limited knowledge includes that the AG could fire the special counsel.
The point of special counsels is for someone outside of the prosecutorial authority of government to investigate and prosecute crimes committed by people within the government itself or with close ties to people in high authority. The DoJ isn't the only place where they are used. State and local prosecutions can be done by special counsels when there is a conflict of interest. If the choice is between a special counsel that is insulated somewhat from the elected executive or potential crimes being investigated by people that are beholden to those being investigated, I think the better choice would be obvious.
^ This is the, assholic, steaming pile of lefty shit who justifies murder as a preventive measure sorta when he likes it:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
FOAD, asshole.
But only for specific cause like dereliction of duty. Otherwise, once appointed the Special Council has unlimited authority. This is moot, however. The Special Council statute expired over 20 years ago and Garland has no authority to appoint one private citizen or not. If he wanted to go after Trump for classified documents he could have done it himself or ordered a US Attorney to do so but he doesn't have the backbone to do it. Now I don't know where he will go as it would have to start all over and Trumps lawyers would most certainly move that all evidence so far be thrown out as the "poison fruit".
Please correct me in this if you think I'm off base
But only for specific cause like dereliction of duty.
The independent counsel statute expired a long time ago, yes, but the special counsel regulations I was referring to are DoJ regulations, not U.S. law. To me, that means that the A.G. would have to follow the regulations only to the extent that he would get in trouble with the President if he failed to do so. So the AG could fire a special counsel on thin or pretextual "cause", if the President was okay with that.
The case here basically centers around whether those DoJ regulations are consistent with the Constitution. Personally, I am highly skeptical of those arguments, because they seem too much based on interpreting the term "officer of the United States" and things that really have no practical relevance. Too many constitutional scholars and judges get obsessed over language in the Constitution as if it was supposed to be a blueprint for the federal government. Sorry if this is a surprise to anyone, but that is just not true, in my opinion.
To expand on that analogy, a blueprint is a very detailed schematic of a device or structure to be manufactured, and it includes the precise measurements and their tolerances so that it comes out precisely as the designer wanted it to. The Constitution was clearly more of an outline or sketch. It included some precise details, but it also left a lot open to interpretation. I think it was certainly the intention of most of the Framers that the very specific details of the federal government and its relationship with the state governments would be worked out as time went on. The Constitution would be amended as needed when the language was found to be too vague and allowed for actions that violated the spirit of what they were trying to do, when something they didn't include in the Constitution was believed to be too important to leave out (like a Bill of Rights), and that some flexibility to implement practical solutions to problems would be allowed.
The conservative constitutional theories of originalism and textualism don't accept most of that. From what I can see from Supreme Court rulings over the last two decades of the Roberts Court, they don't apply these theories consistently, though, despite arguing that the major goal of those theories is to provide consistency.
You can really see it in the immunity ruling. Not only is there no support in the text of the Constitution for declaring the President to be immune from prosecution, even if the immunity is limited to "official acts," but the explicit text contradicts this idea in at least one major way. The text regarding impeachment explicitly says that anyone impeached and removed from office may still be prosecuted for crimes that resulted in their impeachment. That is because impeachment's punishments are limited to removal from office and being banned from holding any kind of government office again. No fines, property confiscation, and no detention (jail). That was made clear so that no one could claim that being tried for a crime after being impeached and convicted in the Senate would constitute double jeopardy.
So, there you have it. Conservatives want to read the Constitution's text very finely and get highly technical with the language except for when that would lead to a result they don't want. The common criticism of liberal jurisprudence (so-called "living constitutionalism") is that it is entirely results-based. If that is true, then the conservative jurisprudence is only superior in that they do a better job of dressing up their results-based decisions in a theory that sounds neutral if you don't think about it too much.
Regardless of your feelings about independent council, the conflation of a relative of a politician breaking the law, de facto, with a former US President engaged in a did too/did not with the NARA is just plain stupid.
And pretty much every history since 4th grade should've enlightened you as to how the FF and every enlightened legal mind between the Magna Carta and The Warren Commission felt about substituting asses for lions.
Yeah except the author claims that Weiss operates under the same authority as Smith. Ignoring the the fact that Weiss is a US attorney and Smith is not which is the entire basis of the constitutional argument.
Anybody check in on poster not_guilty since this decision? Has he started ranting about Judge "Loose Cannon"? Maybe someone should make sure he doesn't have any firearms, or proximity to Judge Cannon.
It sounds like the case against Trump is finally beginning to unravel. It was undone judges whose legal expertise was beyond those of hack lawyers such as Jack Smith.
When Trump once again takes the oath of the Office, Garland and Smith will have to resort to ambulance chasing . LeTishia James will no doubt make a fine HOA Karen and Fat Alvin Bragg could host his own version of the Jerry Springer Show.
Have people prosecuted by special counsels, or independent counsels before that ever made the same arguments that Trump's lawyers did here? What is the precedent for how courts have answered those arguments, if so?
I find it hard to believe that this was the first time anyone had tried that tactic to avoid a prosecution by a special counsel. Mueller, for instance, was not in an appointed position at the time he was made special counsel, so any of the people his team prosecuted could have made the exact same argument, such as Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn...
Only two special counsels come to mind that weren’t statutory Officers: Mueller and Smith. The rest have been USAs, whose offices are defined by statute, and were Senate confirmed.
Mueller had been AG nominated and confirmed. He could arguably serve under the appointments clause. Smith worked for the DOJ but was never a US attorney.
Mueller had been AG nominated and confirmed. He could arguably serve under the appointments clause. Smith worked for the DOJ but was never a US attorney.
I'm not seeing the distinction here. I understand the argument was that only officers of the U.S. could have that level of prosecution power, and Smith wasn't appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to a position established by law, thus he wasn't an officer of the United States. Mueller wasn't either. He was just appointed by the Deputy AG, Rod Rosenstein.
That's why I said arguably. It's an argument I've been seeing. I don't think it's a legitimate argument.
Indeed. Smith was a Deputy US Attorney which is a civil service job. He was acting US Attorney for a bit but never was confirmed in the position. People seem to be forgetting this point.
Mueller is a little more interesting. Although he was confirmed by Congress in his role he was not currently employed in doing so. I doubt the argument that he has lifetime immunity in taking on a special council without being confirmed by Congress again would hold water. He was a private citizen out of government when appointed. He should not have gotten away with it either
I agree. I'm not sure if the issue was actually litigated (I should look it up) but we have to remember that Trump's AG, Sessions signed off on the whole thing apparently without Trump's permission. With Trump the focus of the investigation the DOJ should have been raising the objection but they were seemingly part of the team. SCOTUS never heard arguments as far as I know so I don't think the Mueller case is binding on Cannon.
Sessions had recused himself from basically anything to do with the Russia-election investigation, even the appointment of Mueller, I think. That, of course, was something that Trump really didn't like, as what he really wanted was for Sessions to end the whole thing.
^ This is the fucking, steaming pile of lefty shit who justifies murder as a preventive measure sorta when he likes it:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
FOAD, asshole.
Is it just me, or does Jack Smith look exactly like Walter Peck, EPA Inspector, from Ghostbusters?
It's just you.
It's worth remembering a couple of points here. The purpose of the appointments clause was to create political accountability for federal appointments. Here we have a sitting president and Attorney General claiming that they are not accountable for the actions of a guy prosecuting their political opponent. And why Jack Smith and not a sitting US attorney? Because of his track record of unscrupulous prosecutions using previously unused novel interpretations of law to convict and bankrupt political enemies. This is not nearly as arcane and mysterious as the media, including Reason, pretend. It's a straightforward assault on the rule of law and, dare I say it, democracy.
Precisely why he was chosen, and why he was not officially appointed (because his appointment would NEVER be upheld in the Senate).
Bingo.
I don't see why Senate confirmation would have been a problem, since Democrats controlled the Senate. The filibuster no longer applies to any confirmations, if I remember right.
Because of his track record of unscrupulous prosecutions using previously unused novel interpretations of law to convict and bankrupt political enemies.
That's news to me. I hadn't heard much of anything about Jack Smith's record before getting the Trump case, from any news source.
This is not nearly as arcane and mysterious as the media, including Reason, pretend. It’s a straightforward assault on the rule of law and, dare I say it, democracy.
The arguments being advanced here are about constitutional questions that seem more academic than important to “the rule of law” or even practical. Whether the prosecution of a case is handled by a U.S. Attorney appointed and confirmed by the Senate or a career DoJ employee designated by the head of the DoJ, who was appointed to that position and confirmed by the Senate is not remotely a big deal to me. The political accountability for the decision to seek an indictment after an investigation still ultimately falls to the elected President and his appointed subordinates. That the designated prosecutor is a special counsel, that provides some distance to avoid appearances of conflict of interest to the extent that is possible, is entirely appropriate in this case. It succeeds at providing that distance, in my opinion, but as I’ve said before, Biden and Garland are still ultimately responsible for the prosecution of Donald Trump in the two federal cases against him. They have, in fact, suffered political fallout from the prosecution of Trump. It is simply false to claim that there has been no accountability on this.
The rule of law is not at all harmed by these prosecutions. Plenty of government employees that had national security documents at their homes, cars, or elsewhere that the documents are not supposed to be have gone to jail for that. That includes employees that were still working in positions with access to those documents. A former President has no inherent authorized access to any national security documents. If he wants copies of something for writing memoirs or whatever, he can request them. But Trump had no business keeping them for over a year, ‘negotiations’ with the National Archives or not, and certainly not after they were subpoenaed.
The rule of law has been harmed far more by giving Trump a pass on this than anything the Democrats have done. We are no longer a country where no one is above the law. Think about that for a while.
I've been reading endless whining on line from leftists saying, "but OTHERS did it!!!" - as if that makes it ok.
Sorry lying leftists, there are new sheriffs in SCOTUS and they aren't playing around. The law is the law, our Constitution is the law of the land, and you don't get to ignore it anymore.
So can Garland just go ahead and prosecute? Someone has to have the power to investigate and prosecute. The independent council was a way to get past some of the bia. It's impossible to ever be 100% uniased of course. So if congress does not authorize an independent council why not just directly prosecute?
And if you say that is bad and only congress should be allowed to investigate and prosecute how have they then gotten rid of bias? They can't.
This is another case of judicial activism. Congress has been obviously fine with the arrangement for years and now a judge decides how things should be. The GOP can never again cry about activist liberal judges.
Interesting take. Conflating a judge who looks at the law and Constitution then says that there is no provision there for doing something with one that tells people to do whatever they want cause it makes their feelies good. Incoherent and not even a good try at it.