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Social Security

The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of 'Fiscal Responsibility.' So Why Not Reform Social Security?

Reasonable options include gradually raising the minimum retirement age, adjusting benefits to reflect longer life expectancies, and implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed.

Veronique de Rugy | 6.6.2024 5:05 PM

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No matter what President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump promise you, and no matter its past as the untouchable "third rail" of American politics, Social Security will be modified one way or another within the next 10 years. While both candidates are misleading their voters, the party with the most to lose from ignoring Social Security's troubles is the GOP.

First, some background. It doesn't matter that some people continue to believe the money for Social Security is in an account with their name on it, or that they trust Biden's and Trump's word not to touch the program. If Congress doesn't do something before Social Security's Trust Fund expires, benefits will automatically be cut by about 20 percent. When there are no more assets to fill the gap between payroll-tax receipts and the benefits being paid out—and not since 2010 has enough tax been collected to cover Social Security—the program will revert to a pay-as-you-go system.

That's the law. The Social Security Administration will be allowed to pay only those benefits covered by collected payroll taxes, hence the cut in benefits.

It's an immutable reality. When Biden and Trump tell you they won't touch Social Security, they are silently admitting they'll let their benefits be cut by 20 percent. That's one way to go. However, other politicians, fearing blowback from a block of furious voters who turn out on Election Day in large numbers, will not want such a cut to happen. So, what else might occur?

If Republicans, for much of their history the self-styled party of fiscal responsibility, fail to advocate for and implement meaningful reform before the Trust Fund dries out—or even if they wait until the last minute—they leave the door wide open for Democrats to address the problem in their preferred manner. Historically, Democrats have favored maintaining or even expanding Social Security. Their solution will likely involve raising taxes and increasing government debt.

Higher taxes could come in various forms, such as increased payroll taxes, higher income taxes, or new taxes targeting wealthier individuals. While this approach might sustain benefits in the short term, it will also very likely slow economic growth by reducing incentives for work, entrepreneurship, and investment.

Another possible scenario is covering Social Security's shortfalls with yet more government debt. This would mean issuing more government bonds, which the government would eventually need to pay back with interest. Higher national debt levels can lead to higher interest rates, crowding out private investment and potentially fueling inflation. Moreover, the burden of this debt would fall on future taxpayers, exacerbating intergenerational inequity.

Republicans must recognize the urgent need for reforming Social Security, if for no other reason than self-preservation. Reasonable options include gradually raising the minimum retirement age, adjusting benefits to reflect longer life expectancies, and implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed. Additionally, encouraging private savings and investment through tax-advantaged accounts can help reduce older Americans' reliance on government programs.

I get why Republicans feel they have nothing to win by reforming Social Security, even if they are in power. That said, there is one benefit they are overlooking.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is well known for projecting the future path of the ratio of debt to gross domestic product based on current, but not necessarily future, policy. That means its projections can include tax hikes and spending cuts that won't happen. There is one exception to this rule: when it models the impact of the Social Security Trust Fund drying out. In this case, the CBO assumes general revenues (meaning debt) will be used to pay the Social Security gap, instead of showing the benefit cuts currently scheduled in the law.

This could be used advantageously by Republicans if they are willing to reform Social Security when they regain power. (The same goes for reforming Medicare.) Indeed, the CBO would project that Social Security reform lowers the debt going forward—a long-awaited reduction and potentially huge win that Republicans can use to reclaim the mantle of fiscal responsibility. The evidence, for once, will be easily seen in the numbers.

But failure to act will result in a fiscal scenario where Republicans will be left with little leverage as Democrats push through their preferred "solutions." The resulting higher taxes and increased debt will have far-reaching unhealthy consequences for the economy and future generations. By contrast, if they reform wisely, Republicans will be rewarded with a lower and immediate debt path. It's a win-win.

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  1. Chumby   2 years ago

    Sunset social security.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      They’ve never had 60 gop senators in the senate.

      Is not knowing how government works a prerequisite to be an editor

      Didn't mean as reply but too lazy to move.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Who cares?

        Donnie said he won't touch entitlements.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

          You'd know all about touching entitlements.

          A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around.

          https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Does that fall under "diversity" or "inclusion"?

          2. Chumby   2 years ago

            A decent publication would enforce that ban on the person and not a single account.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Is not knowing how government works a prerequisite to be an editor

        'With our cries of “Borders are just a social construct!” in the distinct absence of any mention of welfare reform why, oh why, is the GOP suddenly reluctant to alienate a huge chunk of their electorate?' - Reason

        Remember when Trump put defense cuts on the table in exchange for immigration reform and Reason lampooned him for being an ultra-MAGA racist xenophobe who only wanted to stuff immigrants in cattle cars?

        It’s almost like the magazine has nothing to do with the LP or liberty other than to wear it as a skin suit in its repeated assaults on Republicans.

      3. DuaneMaxwell-HillWozniel   2 years ago

        He didn't have anything to say but had to be first.

    2. DuaneMaxwell-HillWozniel   2 years ago

      Nailed it!!

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Good idea.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Nobody believes you Jeff. Remember, your mantra is if people won't do something government is forced to do it for them.

    4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Sunset social security.

      Not a chance in Hell.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        I agree that politically, unlikely that will occur. Not sure if it can survive the collapse.

    5. charliehall   2 years ago

      Good idea. All the politicians who vote for that will be gone after the next election.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        And? Politics shouldn’t be a career but a calling for folks that have already achieved much and have something of value to offer.

  2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of 'Fiscal Responsibility.'

    Big Government MAGA Republicans want their bennies and $1400 Donnie Checks.

    They ain't cutting shit.

    (As usual it must be said that Dems are just as bad)

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

      You on the other hand look forward to eating shit.

    2. DuaneMaxwell-HillWozniel   2 years ago

      AMC democrats love trump!
      And Russia shills do too 🙂

    3. DuaneMaxwell-HillWozniel   2 years ago

      And you are a racist faggot.

      But I'm a fat racist UAW faggot myself, so who am I to talk?

  3. Minadin   2 years ago

    The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of 'Fiscal Responsibility.' So Why Not Reform Social Security?

    When they try to, the Democrats make TV commercials of their party leaders throwing a wheelchair-bound granny off of a cliff.

    Remember?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Granny died of COVID so it’s OK to push her off a cliff in her wheelchair now.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        Come to think of it, Covid did probably end up saving Medicare some cash . . . maybe that was the plan all along.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Last Day, Capricorn 15s. Born 2244. Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            if only we could convince progressives everywhere to embrace this, and move into derelict shopping malls.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      And publications like Reason come out with farcical attacks that mirror Democrat talking points.

    3. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

      If they aren't going to drop a pair then what good are they? We may as well vote Democrat, give them a supermajority and take away their excuse that the Wascly Wepubwicans foiled their plans to give us a workers paradise. Then the Democrats would have to be held accountable for everything going to shit. At least in that way we could hold one set of politicians responsible.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        Republicans may be terrible, but Democrats are far worse.

        I'll take a mostly spineless prick, who has a latent tendency to want to preserve my liberty, over someone who is really active about destroying it. All day, every time.

        He might be ineffective - she is evil.

        1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          You sound like an abused spouce defending the one who beats them.

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            The left doesn't understand anything but projection. It's why you can reliably predict what the Democrats are up to by following what transgressions they accuse their opponents of committing.

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            The analogy needs another, even more abusive spouse waiting to take over for the first one when he's out of the picture.
            And there will always be two major parties, even if one of the current ones goes away. If republicans somehow became nothing, then we'd end up with the regular democrats and the super democrats. And "we" would still be picking sides and no one would be held accountable any more than they are now.

            1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

              You must be a riot at parties...

      2. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

        Why do you suppose that Democrats would be held responsible in the world where they have sole control of government? Much of human history consists of government actors seeking scapegoats on whom to pin the blame for their own failures, often successfully.

        1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          Right now the Republicans are the loyal opposition. When the Democrats need someone to blame for all the failures of their programs the Republicans take that blame without any debate. Getting rid of the Republicans gets rid of the Democrats best excuse.

          It might not work the Democrats are fairly good at blamestorming. But it will never happen if we keep electing Republicans. It may happen I'd we stop voting for Republicans.

          1. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

            Nah. They'll just pin the blame on the kinds of people that used to vote for Republicans. White men, heterosexuals, religiously sincere Christians and Jews, and so forth. All the "deplorables."

            1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

              You're not selling me on voting for Republicans.

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            And there are a lot of people who actually support republicans. No one cares what libertarians think.

            1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

              Then why do so many conservatives spend so much time on this forum trying to defend the honor of the Republican Party? Seems they do care, at least enough to spend a lot of time shit posting.

  4. Dillinger   2 years ago

    they stab it with their steely knives ...

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      ...and they just can't kill the deceased!

      STOP sending SS checks to the deceased would be a good first step!

  5. Rick James   2 years ago

    The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of 'Fiscal Responsibility.' So Why Not Reform Social Security?

    *Wonders what Veronica DeRugy was doing in 1996?*

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      Or...

      https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/21/18103325/nancy-pelosi-social-security-privatization-bush-plan

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Dumbya's plan sucked ass.

        It would have cost taxpayers trillions to repay the diverted contributions put into private accounts.

        1. Beezard   2 years ago

          Like the gov spends now every 100 days or so?

        2. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

          What was your plan?

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            His plan was to touch kids.

        3. charliehall   2 years ago

          Instead we spent trillions on the Iraq war and gave trillions in tax breaks to the well off.

          1. Chumby   2 years ago

            Thank Biden as well who voted for and championed Iraq 2.0 and Afghanistan.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      "What exactly do you mean by the phrase 'Reform Social Security'?" - Anthony Fauci

      1. Rick James   2 years ago

        *waves benefit increase plan around* I mean, this is social security reform!

      2. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   2 years ago

        If you’re arguing with me, you’re arguing with economics.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          That's The Economics!

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        “What exactly do you mean by the phrase ‘Reform Social Security’?”
        Definitions, like facts, are subject to change.

        1. charliehall   2 years ago

          'gradually raising the minimum retirement age, adjusting benefits to reflect longer life expectancies, and implementing fair means-testing'

          The word for that is benefit cuts. Reform means cuts. Republicans know how unpopular that is.

  6. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

    And Reason claims to be libertarian, what’s your goddamn point?

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Attack Republicans for not solving a problem the writers consistently vote to make worse.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        They can attack republicans all they want, but on average they’re always better than democrats.

        1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

          How is that idea even sane? Republicans cave to Democrats. They always do. Voting for the party that caves to the Democrats isn't much different than voting for the Democrats.

          1. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

            I can think of a few instances where Republican did not cave to Democrats. One of the most famous (or infamous, depending on your politics) was when then-President Obama nominated Merick Garland to the Supreme Court.

            Do you remember what happened then? Senate Majority Leader McConnel (R) said “We’re not voting on that–the next President will get to fill this opening in the Court.” He never caved, and Garland never joined the Court.

            Republicans have also gotten their way on various tax bills. They've gotten their way on some culture war fights (mainly at the state level, but sometimes at the federal level). They've won some foreign policy issues, too.

            No, Republican do not always cave. Not at all. But they also do not always win.

            If you want Republicans to win more, vote for them.

            1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

              So, your answer is to send more Republicans who will cower whenever the media says bad things about them.

              1. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

                I'm not sure you read what I said. I pointed out that the Republican have fought, and that they win quite a few fights. It's popular to accuse them of being spineless patsies for the Ds, but it's not actually reality.

                1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

                  Sure. They're fucking heroes.

  7. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Unrelated: In, uh, [checks Reason-style guide] Free Speech News (which makes sense coming from the professional journalists at the GOA) – Youtube has updated it’s firearms video restrictions for anyone under the age of 18 (again). It’s, of course, a convoluted mess that allows actual news footage of mass shootings and glorious depictions of war, but further bans instructional content that was already subject to review before.

    Highlight: Alvin Bragg (yes, that one) uses the phrase “video game to ghost gun path”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWlj9BMg-0

    1. Rick James   2 years ago

      Youtube is just following the science.

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      YT demonitized some gun channels years ago. Many still post there but rely on Patreon and may have switched to Rumble.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        They are amping it up.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          C&Rsenal
          Forgotten Weapons
          Garand Thumb
          Hickok45
          Honest Outlaw
          Iraqveteran8888
          Military Arms Channel
          Nutnfancy
          School of the American Rifle
          Sootch00
          TFB TV

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            Maybe YouTube just wants to die.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Right, there was a big exodus after the demonitization push probably close to a decade ago. You could still put up a review of (e.g.) a suppressor or a gun or an accessory and still get paid. Then they kiboshed that, both demonitizing the videos and blocking them. Then they added age restriction. This is expanding the list of what will get your video pulled down further and doing it in a very Hillary Clinton-esque "Video game violence!" manner.

        I just thought it was interesting because:
        1. This is decidedly post-Twitter files, post-Facebook testimony, post-all the "MUH PRIVUT KORPORASHUNZ!", post "We all went a little crazy for 'two weeks', I call amnesty!" bullshit.
        2. It's still very much and very openly "Sure is a nice business you got there, sure would be a shame if something happened to it." on behalf of the government.
        3. It's not prevented by S230.
        4. It is, for all the defense of TikTok and algorithms, also rather overtly targeting the algorithms and doing so in a manner that only/specifically targets free speech and firearms of American private, individual American citizens.
        and...
        5. It's apparently not raising a peep between the likes of Jacob "This Bragg guy might not, in fact, support democracy like an AG should." Sullum and Elizabeth "Without pre-teens able to access sex trade and gender transitioning propaganda online without their parent's knowledge Western Democracy falls" Nolan Brown

        1. Rick James   2 years ago

          3. It’s not prevented by S230

          I think Reason has well argued that if it weren't for section 230, we'd have way too much gun content on youtube.

  8. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    FDR's [D]-trifecta and it's sale of [Na]tional So[zi]alist Security in the USA.

    The whole thing needs to be ruled UN-Constitutional to ensure the survival of a USA. Oh wait; It was until FDR threatened to stuff the Supreme Court over it. F'En Nazi's.

    1. charliehall   2 years ago

      A constitutional amendment would be passed and ratified within months to overturn such a decision.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        At least then it would be legal instead an illegal act of treason against the USA.

  9. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    "...and implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed."

    So the rich will pay and pay and pay... And NEVER get any significant bennies!!! Which turns into yet ANOTHER welfare scheme, and there goes the support of the rich, for SS!!!

    Hey socialists!!! Fuck OFF, slavers, I want to make my OWN charity choices!!! And NOT at the point of your guns!!!

  10. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

    When have Republicans had overwhelming majorities in House and Senate?

    I don't want an EO changing things

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      SS is facing such an ugly train wreck that getting a few Democrat votes is not out of the question.

  11. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Never mind what used to be, my dear.
    After all, the democrat party 'used to be' the party of slavery.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      What do you mean, "used to be"?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Democrats want to expand it.

        https://theintercept.com/2022/02/19/social-security-expansion-democrats/

    2. charliehall   2 years ago

      No it wasn't. There has never been a democrat party in the United States.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Thank you Charlie pedantic. The Democratic Party was the party of slavery. All better now?

  12. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    Because whenever they have tried, they have gotten demagogued into oblivion. Getting burned several times makes one more times shy. The great majority of the electorate is scared to death of the idea of Social Security reform.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      I want to be totes self-sufficient, standing purely on my own... But, hands OFF of MY "access" to YOUR tax money paid to Social Security!!! My freedom means my freedom to "access" YOUR money!!! (Welcome to Hell, courtesy of Government Almighty, and mighty-mighty promises to all and sundry, which can SNOT all be rectum-fried!!! So then YE must be prepared to get rectum-fried!!! Deploy ye the Vaseline, pronto!)

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Yes, the New Dealers damnable legacy. I would love to change it, but it is not going to happen until the whole rotten edifice comes crashing down.

    2. charliehall   2 years ago

      Because the great majority knows that "reform" means "benefit cuts".

  13. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    The idea that the retirement age can be significantly raised is science fiction. Most people quit working when they no longer can and no one will hire them, knowing that. Physical and mental abilities decline, skills become obsolete, and the willingness to be taken advantage of by undesirable employers wanes, making most older people unemployable. Already, if you experience a prolonged period of unemployment even in your 50s, your days in the workplace are probably over. The idea that working 72-year-olds will ever be normal is ludicrous. The only reasonable way forward is to replace Social Security with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly, paid for from general revenue. "Encouraging private savings and investment through tax-advantaged accounts" will help for the minority of workers with enough income to be able to accumulate significant savings, but we need to accept that most of the elderly will be on public assistance in their old age.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Yes. The fact that people live longer does not mean that they can work longer or that they are employable. And the average SS payment is equivalent to poverty wages in most places. For the working class it's a lot less. There have been serious proposals to reform SS in the past but in every case the Democrats organized AARP and invoked The New Deal. No way are Republicans going to go down that road.

    2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Physical and mental abilities decline, skills become obsolete - - - - -

      Leaving only politics as a revenue generator

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        lol

    3. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Being old isn't an excuse for 'armed-theft'.
      State's if they so chose can do welfare; if not there's always the prison system.

      1. rbike   2 years ago

        Men now have the women's prison option.

        Just sayin'

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Being old isn’t an excuse for ‘armed-theft’.

        Yes, it is. Just like being a child is. It's inconvenient that the human lifespan includes time before and after economic usefulness, but that's the way it is.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Do you think children need socialist security too?

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Children have the right to demand to be cared for, even if they make no contribution.

            1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

              There is no "right to demand" care from others.
              Please do demonstrate the USA "right" in the Constitution.
              UR a moron.

              1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                The Constitution does not create rights. It only lists a few of them, and includes a disclaimer that the list is not complete. Yes, children and people unable to care for themselves do have a right to expect others to help them. If you don't believe that, you are a savage.

                1. Zeb   2 years ago

                  Yes, children have a right to expect care. From their parents. If the parents fail at that, then they suck and that's a bad situation. Still doesn't give the child the right to other, unrelated people's resources because they had shitty parents.

                  1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                    This is why normal people think libertarians are kooks.

                    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                      Because they believe ‘armed-theft’ is a crime?

                      You’re just diluting yourself into believing government has a magical wand that can take care of everyone. The only ‘tool’ it has is Gun-Force.

                      And P.S. : Correct, the Constitution doesn’t create rights. Rights are inherent. So do explain how anyone has an ‘inherent’ right for others to take care of them. The very premise is literally the opposite of the meaning ‘inherent’.

        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          Well, in general, people voluntarily care for their offspring, no armed theft needed. And it used to work that way for the elderly too.

    4. Chumby   2 years ago

      Biden must be the exception to the rule regarding advanced age and declining abilities. Oh wait.

      Folks dialing back the lifestyle in their 30s, 40s, and 50s helps address this but they gotta keep up with the Joneses and follow that Madison Ave boomer groomer indulgence.

    5. charliehall   2 years ago

      Republicans and Libertarians would eliminate that public assistance. Their attitude would be to let the poor elderly starve. They would also cancel their health insurance if they could get away with it.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Small l libertarians would allow the individual and the insurance company come to an agreement without government involvement or coercing money from others. Government would only be asked to intervene if one party failed to honor their obligations in the contract.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Lol. You’re a dark, bitter little dude, chuck.

      3. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        What makes you think it's Republicans and Libertarians legal responsibility (?legal-slavery?) to ensure every elderly is rich, fed and has health insurance?

        What's next? An RV and yearly passes to Disney Land? What about a Pony too?

    6. Roberta   2 years ago

      Has any country succeeded in making such a change?

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        Indeed. Succeeded better than anyone could imagine.
        The USA existed for 200-years before SS.

        Then the Rogue [Na]tional So[zi]alist Regime started conquering that great success and just 88-Years later bankrupted the nation and turned it into a political gangland war-zone.

        Socialism DOES-NOT work.

    7. Zeb   2 years ago

      Maybe there shouldn't be a retirement age. Sure lots of people can't really work into their 70s. But lots of people can. What you say definitely applies to people who do physical labor for a living. But not as much to other fields. I know plenty of people who retired as soon as they could make it work financially and remain just as active and busy as when they worked. Of course those people can do that without social security.
      Maybe we should stop pretending that social security is something other than welfare and only give it to those who need it. Stop pretending that people are paying into anything. It's just a tax. That money is gone, given to current beneficiaries.

  14. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    "It's an immutable reality." Um no. The same congress that made the phony trust fund law will just make a new law and borrow more money. We can do this forever. It's called modern monetary theory. I know it's never worked in the past but this version is modern. This time they'll get it right.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Nuthin' up my sleeve—PRESTO!

  15. Warren   2 years ago

    The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of ‘Fiscal Responsibility.’

    I’m so sick of this bullshit. No GOP congressman has made that claim for over a quarter century. And the GOP has never governed that way when in power. How does this myth persist???

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Beats actually paying attention - - -

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Kinda like the Democrats as the party of the working people?

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        You know what other "working people's" party thought they needed Gov-Guns and Social Justice for everything?

        Hint, Hint: the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
        What's that about if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

    3. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Considering today's [D]-trifecta spent 10-Times as much as the [R]/[D]-House and [D]'s wrote, pitched, and unanimously supported the last 4-Big spending bills I'd say there is indeed a point there.

  16. creech   2 years ago

    "implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed. "
    This means, of course, that a higher income person who failed to invest but squandered his or her pay on vacations, mansions, Vegas junkets, etc. will not be someone getting favored means test treatment.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I would favor means-tested welfare payments for the elderly being the same for everyone.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        Is there an age-limit on State Welfare where you live now?

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          There's really no such thing as "state welfare" for adults without dependents in my state. Hasn't been since the 90s, and it was very stingy then.

          1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

            You mean your neighbors think you should be responsible for yourself? HOW DARE THEY! /s

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              I'm pretty sure ≈100% of my neighbors would agree that those not capable of taking care of their own needs should be cared for by others. There are, of course, disagreements over how that should be accomplished.

              1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                So you and all your neighbors will agree that when anyone finds themselves “not capable” of taking care of themselves they can just show up at your door and hold a gun to your head and insist you cater to their every whim?

                Yes; people should (a recommendation) take-care of each other but ‘Guns’ isn’t the right tool for that job. Putting a ‘Gun’ into that scenario literally makes it a CRIME.

                Slavery was abolished in 1865 and it didn't come with the exception of "for only those who can take care of themselves".

                1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

                  Slavery wasn't abolished. It was expanded to include everyone.

                  1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                    One of the ?blessings? of limitless 'democracy'. What-ever [WE] gang has majority gets to RULE the minority-slaves ... gangland politics 101.

                  2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                    BTW: It was actually abolished by the US Constitution (Supreme Law of the Land) if anyone cared to acknowledge that as the LAW instead of their [WE] mob RULES – ‘democracy’. (13th Amendment)

                2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                  This is why normal people think libertarians are kooks.

                  1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                    Thus the very issue with the path the US is on.
                    Normal = Criminal Intentions.

  17. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Meanwhile. While Reason indulges in fiscal fantasies Ukraine has run out of ...!? Ukrainians.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-warns-dual-citizens-ukraine-has-banned-them-leaving-amid-forced-conscription
    The US Embassy in Ukraine this week issued a surreal and somewhat unexpected warning: US-Ukrainian dual citizens may be prevented from leaving Ukraine under the country's new mobilization law.
    As a result of martial law which took effect after the February 2022 invasion, Ukrainian males ages 18 to 60 are not allowed the leave the country. But until now there were exceptions for dual US-Ukrainian nationals; however, a fresh update in the national law means Americans can now be rounded up by conscription officers and potentially thrown to the front lines.
    "The US Embassy in Kyiv understands that, effective June 1, Ukraine has eliminated a ‘residence abroad’ exception that previously allowed certain Ukrainian males aged 18 to 60 to depart the country. After this change, US-Ukrainian dual citizens, including those who live in the United States, may no longer be able to depart the country," the US Embassy announced Tuesday.
    The Embassy added: "If you are not currently in Ukraine, we strongly recommend against all travel to Ukraine by US citizen males aged 18 to 60 who also have Ukrainian citizenship or a claim to Ukrainian citizenship and who do not wish to stay in Ukraine indefinitely. There is an extremely high risk you will not be allowed to depart, even with a US passport."

  18. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    Whichever party changes anything about Social Security will take a pasting for the next decade. Folks don’t care about what it costs, they just want their money.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      But they're not going to get "their money". That is inevitable.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        ^THIS. Guns don't make sh*t.
        It's a zero-sum resources game.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          On this you are right. Because government produces nothing of value, everything it does is zero-sum. Money goes in, pays for idiots to tell the experts what to do, and then pays idiots to do nothing. It's a zero sum, fixed size pie, with everyone fighting for a slice.

          1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

            ^THIS +100000000000. Perfectly explained. TY.

      2. charliehall   2 years ago

        Yeah they will. The federal government will just borrow the money.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Awe. The History of [Na]tional So[zi]alist Security and it's Hyper-Inflation currency into destruction.

      3. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

        They're not going to get the money they expect. Of course not. But they think they will.

        And whichever party they end up blaming when they don't get it will be blasted.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          They'll probably get every dollar they were promised, but the dollars will be so tiny you'll need a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed'

    Wow, how fucking libertarian is that?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      It's not at all. It illustrates one of the weaknesses of doctrinaire libertarianism.

  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of ‘Fiscal Responsibility.’ So Why Not Reform Social Security?'

    I guess Veronique wants to see Democrats in power forever.

  21. AT   2 years ago

    Reasonable options include gradually raising the minimum retirement age, adjusting benefits to reflect longer life expectancies, and implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed.

    I spotted it! I spotted the Marxism!

  22. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    Where to start? First in this country politicians think in term of the next election cycle, 2 or 4 years and so ten year is a long time. I would add that the two Presidential candidates in 2024 and a significant number of the senior members of Congress may be dead in 10 years. So, there is little imperative to solve a problem they will never see.

    Second, there is no easy fix here and so we are talking hard work which seem to be foreign to so many in Congress. It is easy to talk about fixing social security but harder to actually come up with a plan. It will take more than just raising the cap or raise the retirement age.

    Third, part of that hard work is compromising and there seems to be little interest doing this. Think of the work that members of both parties recently put into a border bill only to have that bill shot down. What is the use in putting in the work to get a compromise bill when it just gets shot down.

    One suggestion I would make is to means test for benefits, but not by amount be rather when a person can take full benefits. In general, wealthier people live longer. A person's social benefit is determined for a set age and does not adjust, a person can can take social security anytime after 62 years of age, but percentage of the benefit payout is tied to your lifetime income. The poorest can draw full benefits at 62 where the benefits decrease significantly for a wealthier person at 62. The wealthier person who is expected to live longer and who likely has other retirement income waits longer for full benefits.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Or SCOTUS could just do their job and rule it UN-Constitutional because it is at the National level. [Na]tional So[zi]alist Security.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        SCOTUS did that in 1937 and ruled 7 to 2 in favor of the SS program.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Because the Court had a majority a [Na]tional So[zi]alist BS'ers and manipulators. As-if that wasn't fully acknowledged today as well from leftards in SCOTUS.

          In a 5-to-4 decision, the Court held that the tax under the Social Security Act was a constitutional exercise of congressional power.

          In dissenting opinions, Justices McReynolds, Sutherland, Van Devanter, and Butler viewed the Social Security Act as a Congressional overreach. These dissenters came to be known collectively as the Four Horsemen, the conservative members of the Court who opposed President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal agenda.

          Cardozo stated:
          “Congress may spend money in aid of the ‘general welfare’

          Treasonous BS'er truncated (cherry-picked phrases) out of the US Constitution.

          "general welfare" ............. of................ WHAT? Yes; it is spelled out but BS'ers with an agenda don't care.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            The case for SS as an old age pension was a 7-2 decision. The 5-4 decision was the unemployment compensation part of the SS Act.

            1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

              Doesn't matter which one you try to justify it with anyone with a 1st grade reading comprehension knows it isn't Constitutional.

              The [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] voided/manipulated/ignored the Constitution (the very definition of the USA) for the bankrupt crappy nation it has become today.

  23. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Remember folks, criticism of Republicans equals praise for Democrats.

    It’s impossible to be disgusted with both parties.

    1. MrMxyzptlk   2 years ago

      That's the Zero Sum Game at its most basic. It's why Major Party people claim a vote for a Libertarian is a vote for the other guy.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        LOL.. Ya; Votes grow beyond the population in AZ I just heard.

  24. Mike Hansberry   2 years ago

    Atlas shrugs, and Veronique cracks the whip!

    "Reasonable options include gradually raising the minimum retirement age, adjusting benefits to reflect longer life expectancies, and implementing fair means-testing to ensure benefits flow where they're actually needed"

    Of her 3 "reasonable options" only one makes sense to a libertarian. The first (gradually raising retirement age) is nonsensical without reducing the total benefit paid to each cohort. The third (means testing) is antithetical to libertarianism.

    As it happens, when we get to 2034, SS will payout only what it brings in. So the system will adjust benefits by necessity. The second option solves the issue. In fact, there is only a problem if one is a left winger who wants to distribute even more of the fruits of other people's labor.

    1. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

      "The second option solves the issue. In fact, there is only a problem if one is a left winger who wants to distribute even more of the fruits of other people’s labor."

      Or if you are someone that lives in a world where libertarianism is a small minority and political realities are driven by the actual (non-libertarian) majority. In that case, you get to live with the consequences of whatever policies are actually pursued.

      If you live in that world, it might make sense to spend a little time calling on the major parties to pursue policies that are better than their current policies and politically possible for them.

      The option of just demanding policies that you support as a libertarian but which have no chance of being passed into law leads where, exactly? To some nice articles, but no real-world improvements.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        When you've already stated there is not an even partially libertarian solution to the problem, and it seems pretty obvious nothing will or can be done about it due to popular sentiment, then why exactly would any libertarian of any stripe give a fuck?

        As you've stated, the battle is already lost with no hope of the electorate doing a single thing about it and politicians aren't going to do anything about it because it amounts to buying votes.

        The thing that kills me is this isn't some new or novel critique of democracy. In fact, it's been the critique of democracy since literally it's first inception at least as far back as Plato.

        Democracy inevitably will end once when the electorate realizes they can simply vote themselves cash from the treasury. Not a single reasonable person thinks otherwise, as evidenced by over 2000 years of critique on the subject.

        Which, of course, is why the United States was founded as a Republic. That time is over, and we are now firmly in the era of democratic rule. There are still some vestigial remnants of the Republic, but they are by and large rubble.

  25. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

    Sadly, on this topic the American people has proven, for many decades, to be fundamentally unserious. It is impossible for any political party to seriously address the deficit and the national debt, because the entitlement programs which are the primary driver are just too popular with the voting public.

    So we are on a path to suffer an immense financial shock when the easily predictable consequences of our national unseriousness manifest.

    I am not at all confident the United States will survive as a united country. Culture war issues will not lead to the breakup of the union and the end of the Pax Americana, but Great Depression II and hyperinflation may well do the job.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      All because too many people thought they could Re-Define the USA better (void the US Constitution) with their 'democracy'.

    2. Roberta   2 years ago

      Show me some other country where they are serious, huh?

      1. YehoshuaK   2 years ago

        Roberta, there are plenty of countries where the population is more serious than America. Israel, for example. Not perfectly serious, but a lot better than they are in the States.

        When the risks are obviously real and the stakes are obviously high, you grow up and get the message that this is not a game.

    3. Mike Hansberry   2 years ago

      YehoshuaK,

      Your last two posts are at odds. First you chide libertarians to look for politically possible policies. In your next you chide the American people for supporting unserious but popular programs that will lead to an immense financial stock.

      "So we are on a path to suffer an immense financial shock when the easily predictable consequences of our national unseriousness manifest"

      I agree with most of what you say, but the solution is not to keep offering popular but ultimately destructive fixes such as means testing social security or sleight of hand gimics like raising the retirement age. We need to face the financial crisis head on and live within our means. Of course this is not popular, but it is necessary.

  26. Bill Godshall   2 years ago

    The simple answer to the question posed by this article's headline is that Joe Biden would win November's election if Donald Trump even mentioned he might consider reforming Social Security (as Democrats and their media propagandists, including Reason editors and writers, would deceitfully tell voters 24/7 that Trump will eliminate SS if he is elected).

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Not being a slave to every grandma is pushing her off a cliff! /s
      It's flooring how selfish and greedy and self-entitled the left has gotten.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Taking care of grandma when she can no longer see to her own needs is part of being a member of a decent society. People who see that as "being a slave" are savages who don't belong in a decent society.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Your 'Gun-Force' involvement (i.e. slavery) is the savages part of the equation. Decent societies don't run around with the monopoly of 'Gun-Forces' demanding everything they think is a good idea. That would be gangland politics.

  27. car-keynes   2 years ago

    If you evaluate to page 7 of ‘Predictable Surprises,’ as printed in Boston in 2004, there is not much reason left to see why we cannot depend upon our leaders to do the right thing all purely all on their own. The tome’s insights explain why leaders won’t act despite plausible risk when they lack a profitability rationale. It may also be borrowed from an online library.

    If you want to reform social security, give people a rationale for choosing to fund the program. For example, a fee could neatly fit on an electric bill. Or more specifically, it could turn into a “fund for senior citizen electricity,” which would at least not look like an attempt to “gouge” the public and not belong to the set of all seniors but rather only those ones who can drop enough anchors to qualify. Then likewise, a tax on something like electric fragrance could go in support of toiletries for seniors to ensure that for every addiction to strawberry-flavored vaping, people were also getting clean!

  28. edbeau99   2 years ago

    So long as you have one party that uses irrational demagoguery to demonize any suggestion of changing the system, it will never happen. Republicans have already been subjected to the ads showing them pushing Grandma in a wheelchair off a cliff. So the effect of Social Security running out of money will be drowned in the overall catastrophe of the U.S. monetary system collapsing due to unsupportable federal debt levels. At least, that's what the politicians are hoping for.

    Canada in the '90s (under a Liberal government) put it's government pension system on a sounder footing by greatly increasing employee and employer contributions, cutting benefits and putting investment decisions into independent hands (rather than using those funds as a low-interest piggy bank for government projects). One major difference between the countries is that Canada's CPP maximum monthly payment is a lot lower than the U.S. Social Security payment. But this is offset by the Old Age Security plan, which provides a basic monthly amount that together with CPP brings the monthly payment close to the U.S. Social Security level. But here's the kicker: OAS payments have a claw-back mechanism in the tax code so that when your annual income exceeds about $85,000, the OAS amount is totally clawed back and and you keep none of it. This is in effect a back-door way to means-test your government pension payment.

  29. PeteRR   2 years ago

    Christ. They can't pass SS reform w/o the help of the Dems. What they will get is demagoguery by the MSM, the AARP, Biden, federal bureaucrats and union reps, congressional Dems, state level Dems, and the GOPe.

    Why not just have them kill themselves on live TV. The effect will be the same.

  30. markm23   2 years ago

    The GOP Once Claimed To Be the Party of 'Fiscal Responsibility.'
    But unless you're going back to the time of Eisenhower, they were lying. And I'm not sure about Ike, I was 7 when he retired.

  31. dwshelf   2 years ago

    Either SS is a forced savings program, or it is a taxed based benefit program.

    SS was created as a forced savings program.

    It's never been changed.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      "It's never been changed" - LIE

      Supplemental Security Income.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Security_Income

      "The Biden administration has proposed legislative changes that would raise the maximum federal benefit under SSI"

      Yep; It just keeps promising MORE STOLEN $$$$$ over and over and over and over again.

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