Trump's Conviction Requires Him To Surrender His Guns. Civil Libertarians Should Be Troubled.
The former president's loss of his Second Amendment rights highlights an arbitrary restriction that applies to many people with no history of violence.

Last September, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung caused a kerfuffle by mistakenly reporting that the former president had bought a Glock 19 pistol decorated with his portrait during a visit to a gun dealer in Summerville, South Carolina. At the time, Trump faced four criminal indictments, which would have made him guilty of several federal felonies—the purchase itself, plus two more felonies related to falsely presenting himself as an eligible buyer—if he had actually completed the transaction that Cheung described. Now that a New York jury has convicted Trump of 34 felonies involving falsification of business records, he is barred from possessing firearms as well as buying them.
Trump, who had a concealed carry permit, owned at least two handguns prior to his conviction: a Heckler & Koch HK45 pistol and a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. As the New York Post notes, Trump will now have to surrender those guns and any others he has acquired or transfer them to someone (such as one of his sons) who is legally allowed to own firearms. The fact that Trump, a self-described "very strong person on the Second Amendment," has lost the right to keep and bear arms may add to the delight of opponents who welcomed his conviction. But however you feel about Trump, this detail is a reminder that federal law arbitrarily strips people of their Second Amendment rights for reasons that have nothing to do with public safety.
Leaving aside the shaky legal reasoning that allowed New York prosecutors to convert a hush payment into 34 felonies, falsification of business records, even to aid or conceal "another crime," is not the sort of offense that marks someone as apt to injure or kill people with a gun. 18 USC 922(g)(1), which prohibits receipt or possession of a firearm by anyone who has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year of incarceration, is "wildly overinclusive," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler notes, because it encompasses many people with no history of violence.
"Many felonies are not violent in the least, raising no particular suspicion that the convict is a threat to public safety," Winkler writes. "Perjury, securities law violations, embezzlement, obstruction of justice, and a host of other felonies do not indicate a propensity for dangerousness. It is hard to imagine how banning Martha Stewart or Enron's Andrew Fastow from possessing a gun furthers public safety."
The same goes for Trump. Even if you buy the dubious "election fraud" narrative that a New York jury evidently accepted, disguising a hush-money reimbursement as payment for legal services puts Trump in the same boat as white-collar offenders such as Stewart and Fastow. Notwithstanding Trump's joke that he "could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" without losing any votes, that is not the sort of crime that even his most vociferous opponents think he is likely to commit.
History "demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns," Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett wrote in a 2019 dissent as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit. "But that power extends only to people who are dangerous." In that case, Barrett concluded that a mail fraud conviction did not justify permanently depriving a defendant of the right to arms.
Three years later, Barrett joined the majority opinion in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, which clarified the constitutional test for gun control laws. "When the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct," Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the majority. "To justify its regulation, the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual's conduct falls outside the Second Amendment's 'unqualified command.'"
Applying that test in the 2023 case Range v. Attorney General, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit restored the gun rights of a Pennsylvania man who had been convicted of food stamp fraud. Although that crime was a misdemeanor under Pennsylvania law and did not result in any jail time, it was notionally punishable by up to five years in prison, which triggered Section 922(g)(1).
Similarly, Trump may not end up serving any time in New York even if his appeals are unsuccessful. But the fact that first-degree falsification of business records is punishable by up to four years in prison is enough to make him a "prohibited person" under Section 922(g)(1).
The 3rd Circuit concluded that the Second Amendment requires more to deprive someone of his gun rights. "At root, the Government's claim that only 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' are protected by the Second Amendment devolves authority to legislators to decide whom to exclude from 'the people,'" it said. "We reject that approach because such 'extreme deference gives legislatures unreviewable power to manipulate the Second Amendment by choosing a label.'"
The appeals court was quoting 3rd Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas, who joined the majority opinion in Range. In a 2020 dissent, Bibas argued that the blanket ban created by Section 922(g)(1) "conflicts with the historical limits on the Second Amendment," which "protect us from felons, but only if they are dangerous." Because "the felony label is arbitrary and manipulable," he noted, many of today's felonies "are far less serious than those at common law." Like Barrett, he emphasized that "the historical touchstone is danger."
Applying Range later that year in Williams v. Garland, U.S. District Judge John Milton Younge ruled that it was inconsistent with the Second Amendment to disarm a Philadelphia man who had been convicted of driving under the influence. Although that offense was a misdemeanor, it triggered Section 922(g) because it was punishable by up to five years in prison.
The policy embodied in that provision is relatively recent. The original prohibition, established by the Federal Firearms Act of 1938, applied only to violent crimes such as murder, manslaughter, rape, kidnapping, robbery, and assault with a deadly weapon. In 1961, Congress expanded the ban to cover nonviolent crimes punishable by more than a year in prison.
Even the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which maintains that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to arms, has expressed concern about the breadth of the current "prohibited person" categories. Those provisions "too often are not evidence-based, reinforce negative stereotypes, and raise significant equal protection, due process, and privacy issues," the ACLU's deputy legal director, Louise Melling, observed in 2018. One reason progessives should be concerned about those issues: African Americans are especially likely to be disqualified under Section 922(g)(1), even if they have never committed a violent crime, because they are especially likely to have felony records.
Last year, in an Oklahoma case involving the federal ban on gun possession by cannabis consumers, U.S. District Judge Patrick Wyrick highlighted the danger of giving legislators wide discretion to decide which Americans deserve Second Amendment rights. "Imagine a world" where a state "could make mowing one's lawn a felony so that it could then strip all its newly deemed 'felons' of their right to possess a firearm," he said.
Wyrick posed that very hypothetical to the government's lawyers. "Remarkably," he said, "when presented with this lawn-mowing hypothetical argument, and asked if such an approach would be consistent with the Second Amendment, the United States said 'yes.' So, in the federal government's view, a state or the federal government could deem anything at all a felony and then strip those convicted of that felony—no matter how innocuous the conduct—of their fundamental right to possess a firearm."
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Sure it is troubling. But it is troubling for EVERYONE who is convicted of a nonviolent felony crime, not just Trump.
The moment that the MAGA crowd says "yeah, this whole thing is bad not just for Trump but for anyone in a similar situation as Trump", that is when I will believe they are standing on something resembling a principle. Until that point, it is just special pleading on behalf of their cult leader.
They are saying that. In fact, they're giving that as the reason to be concerned.
It's sarc. It's after 10AM; sarc's drunk.
Have you heard about bears in trunks?
Sure they weren't double-masked?
Double bears.
Okay, about guns, I can believe that. I am talking about more in general with regards to Trump's prosecution. If the law under which he was convicted is a valid law, no matter how much it was stretched, then the law itself is at least part of the problem, and not the fact that it was a "political prosecution".
I hate to be that guy, but where is this being said? So far here the most I've seen is they disagree with the lawfare, not the result.
That's because, as a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit, you have no other source of information.
Please, make the world a better place, your family proud and your dog happy:
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Well, what a kind invitation. Might I say same to you and yours.
Yes, you can, and as an assholic pile of TDS-addles slimy shit, we'll take that under advisement.
Fuck off and die, shitbag. Is that clear?
Does this.mean you don't want me to vote for Trump as I did in 2016 and 2020? I mean, I'd hate to hurt your feelings by casting my vote in a way that would offend you.
Shit, they’ve even said that about hunter. What are you on about?
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Nobody gives a fuck what you believe, jeff. You’re an idiot.
Leaving aside the shaky legal reasoning that allowed New York prosecutors to convert a DNC directive into 34 felonies...
FIFY
I'm significantly less concerned about felons being barred from owning guns than I am over the blatantly illegal use of the legal system to make someone a felon. I have no problem with violent felons being barred from possessing firearms so long as there is a path to reclaiming the right.
The illegal prosecution is the bigger issue here. I happened to catch a bit of tv news this morning (something I typically avoid but the wife was watching) and was kinda surprised how deep into their biased narrative they were. They misrepresented every detail and only focused on how anything could hirt Republicans and help democrats. I wonder if Sullum and the other dipshits at Reason are just rewriting the dumb shit said on these programs.
Avoid that hive-mind stuff also, but did get a web news-feed wherein MSNBC/CBS/CNN or one of that sewage pile was whining about how Trump's verbal response to his conviction 'could cause him trouble'! Imagine being railroaded and then having the gall to complain!
Further, shades of J6, some TDS-addled shitpile was claiming he was 'inciting violent behavior'!
the blatantly illegal use of the legal system to make someone a felon
Now extend that concern to beyond Trump.
We do.
Here in the comments section we don't see much of that sentiment. Are you seeing it elsewhere? If so, where?
Look at your incessant need to distract from what's occurring because you like what is occurring.
Hmm... since you offered only insults I will respond in kind.
Go suck a cock.
Telling someone to suck a cock is not an insult. If you saw them sucking cock and made fun of their technique, that would be an insult. Or telling someone the only thing their mouth is good for keeping a cock warm, that’s an insult.
“Go suck a cock” is a crass form of a dismissal.
Oh, and what about Alvin Bragg's use of the legal system was "illegal" precisely?
I am not saying that what he did was right, but I don't think it was illegal.
This is a question I'd love an answer to. People who were rotting in prison that are found innocent because some law students prove them so don't get to sue the DA or the cops who railroaded them.
Is that a Qualified Immunity thing or is it just that judges and lawyers don't want to set a precedent that they are liable for their mistakes? Inquiring minds want to know.
Given that you are a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit, and that is has been explained to you several time, you can kindly stick your TDS up your ass to have conversations with your head, already there. And then, please inhale deeply and die of shit inhalation.
Or, you could make it easier by admitting your idiocy and fucking off and dying, asshole.
I take that to mean you have no idea what you're talking about and are only parroting others when you talk about illegal prosecutions.
No Mike. He is correct. This case, the judge, the prosecution has been discussed ad nauseum. Legal analysts on both sides agree.
You just like your enemies being abused by the process.
In other words, you have no idea, either.
Prosecutors and judges ordinarily get *absolute* immunity, not qualified immunity.
Good point. So if they can't be prosecuted for what they did how can it be called illegal?
It is cute you and Jeff demand statutory issues instead of constitutional ones.
Upgrade innocense to a misdemeanor under New York law, of course! Then from there, felony charges.
If you don't already know, nothing we tell you will change your mind. You'll just have to wait and see why it gets thrown out on appeal.
That's rather unhelpful.
It's rather hand-wavey. Michael wants you just to trust him.
You and Jeff have been given dozens of examples Mike. From legal analysts, NY Mag, NYT, etc.
They have no idea what makes it illegal. They are just parroting some talking head.
You and Jeff have been given the constitutional issues . Why you focus on statutory instead. Because you support it.
Uh, it's not that a convicted felon having to surrender his guns that troubles me, it's the trial and conviction that troubles this civil libertarian.
Probably in agreement here, but pretty sure those terms should be rendered in scare-quotes; "trial", "conviction".
Duranty might have convinced NYT to do otherwise, but that's to the everlasting shame of NYT (assuming NYT is capable of such).
Yes we know. Trump is the only wrongfully convicted felon ever.
Now THAT is funny and cuts to the point.
There are a lot of people who were exonerated of crimes because a batch of law students proved the guy was framed but they are still deprived of their 2nd Amendment rights because the conviction remains on their record.
I just wish the people who are the loudest screaming "POLITICAL PROSECUTION! BANANA REPUBLIC!!!" would realize that Trump is only one of many people who are victims of the criminal justice system. Trump's "felon" label will not materially affect him in any way, but that is not true of virtually everyone else who has a "felon" label. Would it pain those people who are upset about the Trump conviction to take just one minute to look at everyone else who is part of the criminal justice system?
Trust the prosecutorial science.
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I'm guessing it would pain them considering the replies I've seen.
Mike, youre not fooling anyone by openly agreeing with Jeff's strawman arguments to defend this abuse.
From the beginning of Trumps political successes people on both sides have had to go thru a reckoning as thier default beliefs when they are challenged due to the contention between them and Trumps policies and\or actions and thier default positions as team R or team D.
The current managed trade that we have [often called ‘free trade’] is alway universally good. Trump acts on some of the injustices and the D’s and the R’s switch sides on the topic or start noticing nuance. The first step in justifying themselves.
In the case of blatant misuse by authorities in the justice system this same process may be playing out. Reflexive Rs would normally be stalwart in their defense of the justice system because they fear any changes to it – or whatever. Until injustice affects you – its harder to notice or care [for people of the two teams that are more engaged in their own life’s concerns.]
You're not wrong.
Jeff, is this strawman created solely so you can justify your glee?
Jeff's pure strawman was funny Mike?
Like a Fast and Furious where government placed bears in trunks?
A conviction is grounds for denying you a constitutional right. Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment.
I was falsely accused,got the case dismissed,but the the POS Meter Maids on Wheels still refused to restore my permit.
Yes, shitbag, he is the only wrongly convicted presidential candidate in the history of the US, but TDS-addled piles of shit like you and the asshole Mthto;ayt seem to miss that point.
I love that this is all happening in the context of Trumps conviction, and you’re here deflecting by acting like the people that have concerns haven’t expressed them in regards to the wider public for fucking years.
I have to say I haven't seen much hand wringing here about felons losing 2nd amendment rights. Even in the Nutty 9th decision thread there wasn't a lot of support by "the usual suspects" for the ruling. Sure, actual Libertarians supported the ruling but our hoard of conservatives that shit all over libertarian ideas weren't represented.
Really? Because from where I sit, whenever Reason publishes some article regarding how a death row inmate was unfairly treated, the default sentiment around here is "eh who cares, he's a scumbag anyway". I only see that concern expressed when the person involved is either (a) Trump, or (b) someone that they can personally relate to (like some suburban gun owner like the McCloskeys). But if it's some black hoodlum from the inner city, then the typical response is "who gives a shit".
Another false strawman.
How many do you have to create to justify your glee?
Trump himself still called for the execution of the Central Park Five *after* they had been exonerated.
The McCloskeys aren't suburbanites. They live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. Thanks in part to all the guns there.
Personally, I thought the FBI raid of his home for evidence they couldn't tell anyone he had until after they went in and found out what it was first that was the most, "Someone, somewhere along this process is going to get shot in the face... again." moment. But I admit that, between completely novel felony constructs and gun control social constructs new and old, there's a lot of liberty infringement going on and people getting shot in the face that Reason apparently prefers to tackle piecemeal and passively, or not at all, rather than directly and earnestly.
So you think that it should be a civil liberty to falsify business records? This was an open and shut case under New York law and the only problem was that it took years to hold Don the Con accountable.
So you think that it should be a civil liberty to falsify business records?
To avoid taxes, then yes, it is a civil liberty.
Ah, another rationalization by a tax cheater. I hope you never drive your car on public roads. They are paid for by taxes.
Should Trump get reelected as potus, it would be good for him to remember the evils of lawfare waged against him through the existing criminal justice industrial complex to work with congress start dialing some of that back.
Pardon me while I fall down laughing at the idea. He's an unrepentant asshole and narcisist. As another unrepentant asshole and narcisit I can assure you revenge will be on his mind.
Also there is no chance of any reforms of the legal system getting past congress. I doubt they even have the power or authority since so much of this is state level bullshit.
Indeed.
Laura Loomer: Time to start executing Democrats
https://www.mediaite.com/media/livestream-abruptly-ends-as-laura-loomer-calls-for-democrats-to-be-executed/
I think we found who Nardz really is
MSNBC’s Beschloss, former CIA director Hayden suggest Trump be executed
Political violence is what the Trump Supporters want. Political trials are what the Trump Supporters want.
Logical reforms are not on the agenda..
Political violence is what the Trump Supporters want.
Thats just a plain lie. You sir, are not a mass mind reader. Your statement reads like what a partisan propagandist would try to inject into the discussion. Too bad too, I took you at face value earlier when you claimed you voted twice for Trump. I thought that might moderate propagandist parroting tendencies. Apparently not.
In MAGA world, there are only two valid results for the 2024 election:
1. Trump wins
2. The election was stolen from Trump, and violence will unfortunately be necessary to ‘correct the injustice’
Always amazes me how you 100% ignore the dems doing this.
Sorry, I've never noticed you calling out the conservatives when they play this kind of game. All illegal immigrants are murdering rapists who freeload on welfare. All Democrats are far left Marxists determined to enslave good god fearing Americans. All Atheists are leftists who hate America. Etc..
I quit qualifying statements a long time ago. It doesn't matter here because so few people go to the trouble of doing so.
Hell, I say the smallest negative thing about Trump and suddenly I'm a TDS addled shitbag who wants America to be sold to China or some equally horrible thing even if I voted for him twice. It just doesn't matter so why should I care about not using stereotypes if they aren't going to avoid stereotyping me.
A good number of the Trumpster Trumpster Uber Alies types call for Democrats to be "removed", "eliminated", or outright killed. I see no reason to distinguish these from the average supporter since they do not return that favor when commenting about Libertarians.
Thats a lot of strawmen arguments Mike.
You were not whim the questions were directed at. Your own views are well known and irrelevant.
Trump himself has called for civil war.
Political violence is what yours and Jeff's team do.
Given that you are a steaming pile of TDS-addled imbecilic shit, we can ignore your bullshit entirely.
Fuck off and die.
"Should Trump get reelected as potus, it would be good for him to remember the evils of lawfare waged against him through the existing criminal justice industrial complex to work with congress start dialing some of that back."
Agreed. He probably will have a wonderful opportunity to treat the TDS-addled with some degree of kindness, regardless of what they deserve. It will redound onto his rep.
Specific bad actors may see retribution for sure. But other victims of the process may have a champion to partially undo the wrongs.
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Lemme add:
The state may charge an individual as being 'unfit', but not as a blanket.
Prove it.
Trump has in fact promised to become a dictator on day one and imprison his political opponents. He still thinks the Exonerated Five should be executed. And he wants to roundup more people than the Nazis did in Germany.
Not very libertarian there.
Evicting squatters ≠ national socialism engaging in genocide against citizens
He isn't talking about evicting squatters. And nobody is suggesting genocide. Well, that isn't totally true; Trump buddy Nick Fuentes wants to make Judaism illegal in the US.
Convicted felons have the right to protect themselves via firearms. The State violates that right. There's a subset of supposedly "pro-gun" libertarians that are vehemently against this principle.
Not sure that's a "subset".
You're correct. I should have said Statists masquerading as libertarians.
Really? Can you name any of them?
The blanket and automatic removal of 2A rights for a non-violent felony is evidently unconstitutional, hence wrong.
The removal of 2A rights as specifically part of an individual felon's punishment at a judge's discretion is inarguably constitutional. I expect one or two people instinctively to disagree, but the deprivation of constitutional rights as a punishment is normal, traditional and permitted by the constitution - " nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law", any removal of right being a loss of liberty - without any textual or other evident restriction on what rights can be removed.
Eat shit and die, cherry-picker.
Hunter Biden is on trial for exercising his supposed Second Amendment rights and he hasn't even been convicted of anything.
Second Amendment is only for Republicans, apparently.
Connected democrats never get convicted of anything, so there's that.
You're betting on Menendez' acquittal, therefore. And you must think that Sheldon Silver's trial never happened.
In your estimation, does any limit to removal of human rights versus constitutional rights differ correctly throughout a felon life cycle?
It sure was fun while it lasted.
Almost made 250 years.
Remember, remember, the 5th of November.
Remember May 30, 2024.
Jeffy and the Team Blue riot rangers are doing overtime tonight.
So now Trump understands how thousands of bump stock owners felt when he tried to illegally ban them.
Agree. There are a few things I really hope Trump has gained a new perspective on.
You're not supposed to mention that here. It never happened!
Funny, we never almost never seem to hear from the patent holders in cases such as these. Could it be that the government actually sets up patents for such devices that they can tear down without any pre-existing rationale for putting up a legal fight when a scapegoat may well be the case? And then, funny thing, but one more tool looks like it was totally unopposed and politically unopposed because it was no one’s celebrated interest to begin with.
Surely that’s got to be worth at least one story if not a Pulitzer prize for uncovering all existing evidence of political conspiracy against the rights of the people to sell products that could increase stock values?
"may add to the delight of opponents who welcomed his conviction. But however you feel about Trump"
Everyone knows it's nothing but a witch-hunt.
Sadly; Leftards just don't care and would rather defend their prejudices than Make America Great Again. They've learned nothing from their Party-of-Slavery days and just continue on looking for a new prejudice to enslave (define the 'icky' ones).
I’m a libertarian. I support the 2nd Amendment. I also think laws against recreational drug use by adults ought to be declared unconstitutional. We’d have to change the 21st amendment to get rid of stupid state laws regulating alcohol sales and distribution.
Given all that, how is denying guns to those who sometimes use drugs constitutional? Maybe taking the right away from those judged addicted in a court of law might make sense, but that might need a constitutional amendment. My complaint about Hunter Biden would be that others in his situation without influential family members would face the same sanctions – or worse.
No History of violence? I believe the Capital Police and FBI HQ in Cincinnati would disagree, along with those assaulted at his rallies.
How many assaults did Trump commit? Please name the victims.
In what other "civilized, first-world" country is unregulated private ownership of killing machines considered a "civil right?" For 200 years before the Scalia/Thomas/Alito court, the 2nd A was never considered to confer a personal right. To the extent any such right was inferred from "well-regulated militias," it became just as obsolete as the militias. The "personal right" fiction would likely never have prevailed had Nino Scalia not been such a gun nut himself. Not that maintenance of a firearm within the home for self-defense or defense of others wouldn't be protected activity. Just not protected under the 2A specifically.
Mexico's Constitution has such a right:
Artículo 10. Los habitantes de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos tienen derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio, para su seguridad y legítima defensa, con excepción de las prohibidas por la Ley Federal y de las reservadas para el uso exclusivo del Ejército, Armada, Fuerza Aérea y Guardia Nacional. La ley federal determinará los casos, condiciones, requisitos y lugares en que se podrá autorizar a los habitantes la portación de armas.
Dude, this is a no-fact zone. Take you actual history elsewhere.
For 200 years, the 2nd Amendment was ignored by the Supreme Court. Over the years, various assumptions were made, and implications were drawn, but the Court never got around to declaring that the 2nd Amendment only protected the states' right to form militias. Scalia, for all his faults, nevertheless demonstrated that it's never too late to do the right thing and interpret the Constitution faithfully.
Will the fact that he's forced to transfer his guns, will that be enough to satisfy the ATF's new rule and allow him to do so without obtaining an ffl? It's a murky rule after all since even completing the transfer through a licensed ffl isn't necessarily enough to get one off the ATF's literal hit list if even an ad or offer is enough to trigger the "engaged in the business" shadow definition.
No.
He should give his guns to Hunter.
No one has a history of violence--until we do. That first time might be a drunken bar fight, threatening or injuring a spouse, or shooting up an elementary school. Predicting these events with anything like certainty is probably impossible given the number and scope of relevant variables.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent such episodes or minimize their harm. That's why persons who have already committed and been convicted of an act of violence shouldn't be able to purchase or own firearms. Everyone here seems to agree about that.
So the heart of the matter may be that the law prohibiting convicted felons from firearm possession is simply too broad. It doesn't take into account the important differences that may distinguish some categories of felony from others in terms of likelihood to commit future violent acts. It should be possible to look at crime statistics through the epidemiological lens to find out if, for example, convicted felons released from prison after age 50 are no more likely to commit a violent act than anyone else the same age. I don't know if that's true or not, but it kinda makes sense to me--I had way less anger and way more awareness of personal vulnerability when I reached that age.
So 18 USC 922 (g)(1), being an act of Congress, can be modified in ways that may well continue to protect the general public while also protecting the rights of persons convicted of non-violent felonies. Doing that might take quite a while as our repre-sentatives wrestle with the problem of competing definitions of violent vs. non-violent crimes. But it can be done, yes?
Meanwhile, what am I to think about someone just convicted of white-collar felonies who said, not so long ago, that "[he] could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and... wouldn't lose voters."? Who even says something like that in public, who has the full complement of typical inhibitions against violent behavior? I wouldn't say something like that even in casual conversation. Nor would you I bet.
It is commonly said that every single resident in the country is unknowingly guilty of several laws multiple times each day. This is due two how distorted and convoluted our laws are. With the Trump verdict, it is very apparent that there is the willingness of the Biden regime and Democrat party leadership to weaponize the laws for political gain.
It is time for members of the Democrat party who actually and honestly believe in democracy and personal freedoms to extricate themselves from the Democrat party which is much more of an authoritarian organization.
At one time, I believe that the Democrat party actually cared about personal freedoms, but over the years I recognize that this is an illusion crafted to gain political power and the Democrat party leadership has little regard for personal freedoms of other people and only care about their own personal status as an elite with power.