The Real Reason for Self-Checkout Bans
It isn't about stopping crime—it's about protecting a favored constituency's jobs.

The recent wave of headlines about shoplifting and retail theft, accompanied by viral videos of people brazenly walking out of stores with stolen goods, has captured the attention of the media and politicians. The tough-on-crime crowd has advocated for a crackdown on shoplifters through more aggressive prosecution and harsher penalties. Others have emphasized the need for rehabilitation for offenders.
One group of progressive California lawmakers claims to have found an even better solution: banning self-checkout machines from stores in the name of fighting crime. In reality, this "anti-crime" bill is nothing more than naked protectionism for union jobs.
The proposed legislation would prohibit groceries and other retail stores from using self-checkout machines unless a host of conditions are met. These include having at least one staffed employee for every two self-checkout machines (and the employee must be exempt from any other duties), only permitting the machines to be used by shoppers with 10 items or fewer, and ensuring at least one regular cashier lane is also available at all times.
The bill's sponsor, state Sen. Lola Smallwood-Cuevas (D–Los Angeles), calls her approach "smart" on crime instead of "hard on crime," telling The New York Times: "We have so many bills in this Legislature that are trying to increase penalties….We know that what makes our community safe is not more jail time and penalties. What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor."
To underscore her point, Smallwood-Cuevas cites a study suggesting that retail theft is up to 16 times more likely to occur at self-checkout machines than at traditional registers, leading to an estimated $10 billion in annual losses for retailers.
A closer look at the fine print of the bill, however, reveals the true intent behind it. The legislation mandates that any store seeking to install self-checkout machines must first produce a study analyzing, among other things, the number of employees "whose duties would be affected by the workplace technology," as well as the "total amount of salaries and benefits that would be eliminated as a result of the workplace technology." The study must then be provided to employees potentially impacted by the technology (or their collective bargaining representatives) and posted "in a location accessible to employees and customers."
Were this a game of poker, this mandated study would be the tell: Smallwood-Cuevas and her fellow progressives are trying to tuck a pro–union jobs bill inside the Trojan horse of crime prevention.
Smallwood-Cuevas was a labor organizer before her legislative career, and some of the bill's biggest sponsors are labor unions. A press release on the United Food and Commercial Workers' website lauds the legislation, with the president of the local chapter complaining that "employers have increasingly implemented automated checkout to drastically cut staffing and reduce labor costs." The press release does not mention the word crime at all and only uses theft twice and shoplifting once. In contrast, jobs, staffing, and worker displacement are referenced a total of 10 times.
Efforts to limit self-checkout in other blue states provide corroborating evidence, such as a proposed anti-self-checkout ballot initiative in Oregon that labor interests tried to get on the 2020 ballot, explicitly positioned as a pro–union jobs measure.
While a pro-labor bill in California may seem utterly unremarkable, some on the right may be buying the bill's anti-crime framing. Both Fox Business and the New York Post ran articles highlighting the bill as an anti-theft measure, with little reference to the real motivations behind the legislation. Given the right's increasing embrace of labor unions, it is not hard to envision an unholy alliance of pro-labor progressives and tough-on-crime populist conservatives supporting bills around the country to eliminate self-checkout.
Supporters of the bill and numerous media outlets have cited two examples of large retail chains making their own internal decisions to reduce or remove self-checkout machines to clamp down on theft. The aforementioned statistics about self-checkout lanes leading to more shoplifting are also frequently referenced. But these points ironically cut against the need for government involvement: If self-checkout machines are really leading to massive inventory losses for stores, then retailers themselves have a direct bottom-line incentive to scrap self-checkout.
No one cares more about inventory loss than store owners, whose entire business model is predicated on customers actually paying money for their products. That is why some retailers are reevaluating the efficacy of self-checkout and experimenting with new monitoring tactics such as "smart video" cameras that can halt the self-checkout process if they notice a customer declining to scan any items.
There already is a built-in market response to theft concerns around self-checkout—more government interference is simply not needed. If lawmakers still want to ban self-checkout machines anyway, they should at least be honest about why.
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As opposed to an entity “whose entire business model is predicated on ?customers? being forced to pay money to lose their property rights.”
The government hates competition.
Who’s retail store did you think that was anyways? /s
That's not 'your' retail store; that's [our] retail store. /s
You didn't buy that.
"You didn't build that", Barack Obama.
Part of the Democrats very foundation of 'owning' everyone and everything by just laying political-talk claim to it.
Automated checkout, or no checkout at all because the store closed.
Which employs more workers?
In the socialist future (and past) plenty of workers will be on the clock, even if the store is not open, or is "open" but has nothing to sell.
That's the old saying a buddy of mine who is older and grew up in eastern Europe under communism.
"The people all pretend to work, and the communist all pretend like they are going to pay them something" is the way he words it (though its obviously been around for some time in some way shape or form)
He is a wildly right leaning libertarian now, as a reaction to living under a pretty terrible and oppressive govt
Sort of like the DMV during COVID?
Speaking as a retail employee who is both a cashier and a veteran self-checkout associate, J can tell you all that self-checkout, as presently constituted,, does not eliminate jobs!
Live humans still have to:
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Fill the machines with money…
fill them with ink and receipt tape…
clean off the scanner surfaces so they’ll scan properly…
assist customers who just stare at them like primitive tribesmen at cargo-cult gear…
scan groceries for the halt, blind, deaf, lame, and physically- and mentally-infirm…
ask for ID on alcohol, medicines, pocket knives, and kitchen knives (though, strangely enough, not chain saws, so Jason Voorhees gets a pass, but Michael Myers doesn’t)…
babysit and go behind the drunk, the drugged, the crazy and the criminal to see that the scan their purchases properly and be ready with a drawl on the lip and makeshift weaponry in case t,hey start some Karen/Chad/WorldStar shit…
And when Entropy comes on the scene, specialty-trained humans from NCR have to repair the machines, replace parts, calibrate them to meet State and Federal standards of weight and measure, and bill the store for services rendered.
And even with AI-equipped cameras, there are shitty nuances of human behavior that still take humans to detect and interdict.
Multiplyvall this by 8 to 18 self-check machines and it is likevwhole store is on two or even one Associate’s hands.
So far, Skynet and RoboCop it ain’t.
Not saying “there oughtta be a law” on self-checkout, pro or con, but so far they are another Sowellian trade-off that is not a trade-up.
Security problems would be better solved with armed Associqtes and Management and/or a police precint for every store or mall.
Just my wrinkle on things.
The sheer description of how humans are necessary made my eyes glaze over, so apologies on the typos.
Weren’t you the guy pissing and moaning about spelling and grammar the other day?
Yes, and unlike those claiming Reverence for their scrawlings, I own my mistakes and attempt to correct my mistakes within the 5-minute window Reason allows.
There's making mistakes and then there's AutoFilling them and never learning from them.
Plus the scanner always makes mistakes or freezes up, and you have to wait for the service person anyway.
In California, it's illegal to buy alcohol through a self-checkout (no exemption for the unit being "supervised") even though the machine will still call the attendant over to check ID for allergy medicine (which in SF or LA there's a 50/50 chance they'd had to call for a clerk to unlock the lexan case containing the Mucinex, Claritin, and Zyrtec) which is apparently OK to do. Getting real Sudafed is even more elaborate and requires both an ID and a thumbrint to be recorded at the pharmacy counter.
The increases in shoplifting have a lot more to do with the DAs in much of metro L.A. and the SF/East Bay area essentially legalizing the act by instituting an openly announced policy of not prosecuting any misdemeanor (including theft of anything under $951 in value and not firearms-related). Many stores stopped even calling police because the cops wouldn't come out to make an arrest on a charge that the DA wouldn't file; it just wastes everyone's time.
Reach back for this...
https://reason.com/2024/04/05/san-francisco-bill-would-let-people-sue-grocery-stores-for-closing-too-quickly/
I only used Voluntary Unpaid Work checkout once. It was a pain in the ass.
Soooo…Do you also only get gas from the full-service gas stations which are as rare as hen’s teeth?
Do you also only fan yourself with eunuch Janissary servants in the Summertime, who peel you a grape, crush you some ice, shave you a peach, and save the fuzz for your pillow? Must be nice…
Peel Me A Grape–Diana Krall
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I generally only go to a cashier is if the line to self checkout is long and a cashier is free.
I only go to self checkout when I have ice cream and ALL the cashier lines are long.
Which is rare in the store I patronize.
I only go to self-checkout (in the mirror) when I have run out of good-looking babes to check out!
(I have also found that it is MUCH easier, and more productive, to flirt with good-looking babes, than to try to flirt with myself-in-the-mirror, since ALL of my check-’em-out lust-lines are SOOOO predictable! To me at least…)
You're like in your seventies and frequently institutionalized. Who do you think you're tricking?
At least I have a sense of humor that's worth a damn, unlike Pervfect You and Your Pervfect Tinfoil Hate-Hat!
You mean your third grade lines don’t work well with the babes?
Ass much ass I hate to tell you, that Snot a big surprise.
Esteemed Greasy-Pants is VERY impressed with the lame pick-up lines of Esteemed Greasy-Pants, when he-she-it-zem-zey-they gazes adoringly in the mirror, and tries to charm and seduce shitself!!!
I only go to the cashier when old people are trying to figure out the self-checkout.
I like how the politicians think they know more about how to run a business and prevent shoplifting than the actual store owners.
I think you just defined Democrats.
I like how you think politicians are actually trying to prevent shoplifting.
They've prevented almost all shoplifting in California. If it's under a thousand dollars, it's not even a crime now, just a convenience.
'The tough-on-crime crowd has advocated for a crackdown on shoplifters through more aggressive prosecution and harsher penalties. Others have emphasized the need for rehabilitation for offenders.'
Why not both? During a lengthy sentence, the confused perps can see what happens when they shoplift in the prison back market.
When going to the adult store, it costs a lot more if they finish the transaction for you than using one of the check out booths where you can handle it yourself.
Umm, phrasing?
Don’t know any members there, so not sure how BJs pulls this off.
Chumby is all-too-aware of that. It's his ace in the hole.
What about the tip?
It depends on whether they are gentle with things or if they toss them around carelessly. Hopefully they don’t rub you the wrong way.
Paper, plastic, or vinyl?
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i think latex is the choice here
Leather?
Service workers typically expect 18 and 3/4 percent...You know, a figure that makes you rub your head and look up.
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Don’t be a jerk.
Either way, you're in the hole, but the ending is glorious.
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I have said for years that the second act in our socialist movement, after opening with absurd minimum wage programs, will be mandatory hiring and hours. How else can progressives overcome economic reality?
If you are going to directly oppose market forces (read: the way humans normally behave due to human nature) you have to do it with govt guns while declaring that the thing in question is a human right
"You have to pay the person X amount, because everyone deserves a living wage, its a human right!"
"You have to hire this homeless alcoholic because everyone deserves a job, its a human right!"
"You have to provide this person with healthcare, its a human right! You want people to die!"
"You have to give this person food, its a human right! You are pro starvation!"
"You have to affirm this person's gender delusions and provide whatever care they think they need to live their true self, its a human right! Are you pro trans-genocide?!?!"
Whatever the tree, it benefits from pruning at some point during its unchecked growth career, even if naught but dead growth is to be pruned.
I do design work for several big-box retail companies with self-checkout.
It's actually the crime.
Yeah, this seems like it’s just a bonus for the unions rather than them being the main driver.
Two different things we are talking about.
Minadin is right. Retailers are fighting shrinkage. By their own choice.
But the law has literally nothing to do with that. Wal Mart, Target, and all the others are welcome to close their self checkouts if they wish. Nothing prohibits this. The law is passed entirely at the behest of unions, with talk about reducing crime being nothing but weasel words.
Same is true of the fast food $20 an hour debacle. That was payback to the SEIU, one of Newsome’s most substantial financial supporters.
“Same is true of the fast food $20 an hour debacle. That was payback to the SEIU, one of Newsome’s most substantial financial supporters.”
And he did all that while carving out work arounds for his buddies with "definitely not fast food" (but basically fast food) joints! This guy commies like no other!
Funny how when it was $15 an hour the SEIU and other Unions wanted their members exempted from it.
So, why doesn't the criminal plurality simply say, "Get rid of self-checkouts and we'll do the rest"?
It must be awfully painful knowing that with each wave of your constituents sent to fetch more booty for black market sale, they reveal their actions before the general public every time they turn self-checkouts into petty theft and grand larceny vehicles.
Dieterele doesn't seem to have a problem with the Progressive policies that have lead to increased retail theft - only that this bill is disguised protectionism.
Does that make him libertarian?
Yeah, the whole “Don’t believe the theft narrative that you’ve seen on video… countless times… nationwide… with too many participants to have been random flukes… combined with CA law that effectively legalizes shoplifting… and all the store closures and regional pullouts… that corporations blame on shoplifting… and DAs openly proclaiming defense of the poor thieves and looters, the real issue is Union protectionism.” thing feels awful manipulative. And stupid. It could actually be both/all union protectionism and democrats raising minimum wages and corporations trying to remain viable against wages and unions with spotty, piecemeal mechanization.
Once again, it’s the “Edge Of Tomorrow” scene:
Actual Libertarians: Well, what would you do if you believed all the complex facts and interwoven causality I just told you?
Dieterle: I would locate this… Union… and bomb it out of existence.
Actual Libertarians: Then you’re not mentally equipped to fight this thing. And you never will be.
Do you mean that insurance companies can offer premium discounts for installing at least one self-checkout lane so that entrants tired of waiting can get themselves checked out with Arthur C. Clarke convenience?
Maybe California should also ban filling your own car. While they are at it, to be extra safe, ban charging your own electric car.
An attendant must plug in the car for you - because they have to be specially trained to be able to tell which plugs are incompatible. Don't want any fires, do you? You don't WANT PEOPLE TO DIE!!!
Then the attendant must remain with the car - indeed, seated in the driver's seat - during the whole charging time. This is to ensure customer safety.
I would allow the attendants to sit in 2 cars at the same time.
That would satisfy the body positive movement. Only really fat people could service cars.
Retailers are shedding self checkouts across the country and it has nothing to do with union jobs in California.
It's very literally the theft, on the one hand, and also the fact that some people just don't like it at all, and feel like they are getting less 'service' and having to put in more effort to their shopping experience.
But it's mostly the rampant theft. Several of the grocers in my area have put in AI-powered cameras above the self-checkouts to detect unusual movements that might be theft. For instance, I got flagged once for pulling 2 items out of my cart, scanning one, but not the one closest to the bags, and putting it in the bag. It was the heavier of the two items and I'm left-handed but the AI machine thought I was David Blaine or something.
Did that to me once too. I had a fragile thing on top of a sturdy boxed thing in my basket. Picked up the fragile thing so I could grab the sturdy box, scanned it and placed it in the bag first, so I could then scan the fragile thing and put it back on top. Had to then wait a few minutes for the totally uninterested attendant to approve of what I did.
My grocer also now has a 'feature' where if their theft-detection AI thinks that you MAY be leaving the store with something in your cart that MIGHT not have been scanned, it locks the wheels, so you can't move.
But they ALSO have a policy that if you're using the self-checkout, you're limited to 10 items per purchase. So, that's max 2 bags - you just grab them from the cart and keep walking if your cart gets jacked.
See my wrinkle on things above. AI still makes mistakes and still doesn't make plunder harder than labor.
I don't really want to see your wrinkles. Sorry, not sorry.
My point being that AI can't detect everything that retail looters can do to get over on the business. Welcome, you're not welcome.
Let this be a warning to all you blue collar workers out there: if you form a union, legislators might just pay attention to you. If you are really unlucky, you might even become a 'favored constituency.' Then what?
While this bill might be about something else, the reason that Walmart and many other stores are getting rid of them is absolutely 100% about theft.
The Walmart near me got rid of them for maybe a month, and then they came back. I'm guessing they found that they lost more in sales than they were losing due to shoplifting.
Where do you people live? I only see self-checkout increasing, never seen any store go back.
The Walmart here has gone 95% self-checkout. There is at most one regular cashier line open at any given time.
Decent human places. You?
I wouldn't have noticed. As far as I'm concerned, self-checkout doesn't exist.
They were more likely losing more in salaries than they were due to shoplifting.
Exactly, they can write off shoplifting, but they can't write off a salary. And no, I don't know what a write off is... but they do and they're the ones writing it off.
No, they write off both.
A salary or shrinkage, it all simply comes off the bottom line. All expenses are expenses, you write them off. And Wal Mart is notoriously good at calculating cost/benefit ratios, they were the pioneer in big data to optimize sales and pricing long before Amazon and the like came along.
The tough-on-crime crowd has advocated for a crackdown on shoplifters through more aggressive prosecution and harsher penalties. Others have emphasized the need for rehabilitation for offenders.
We've been doing a lot of one of these two things over the last ten or so years and I've never personally witnessed more brazen thefts at the grocery store 2 minutes from my house.
I also like how people who think that thieves, murderers, rapists and sexual assaulters should be prosecuted are now "the tough on crime crowd".
Well, the "tough on crime" label is nicer than white supremacist fascist.
The real dangerous criminals have always been prosecuted. The difference now is they let them out in a year or so, instead of 5 to 10.
No one cares more about inventory loss than store owners, whose entire business model is predicated on customers actually paying money for their products. That is why some retailers are reevaluating the efficacy of self-checkout and experimenting with new monitoring tactics such as "smart video" cameras that can halt the self-checkout process if they notice a customer declining to scan any items.
It would be nice if there were legal consequences for these types of things (You know, when they exceed the legal $900 limit for theft0, but I know, I know, that would put me squarely in the tough-on-crime crowd.
I have a better idea.
Legal immunity (civil and criminal) for any citizen that stops a shoplifter, regardless of the amount of force used to do so. Beat the snot out of him, shoot him in the leg, run him down with your car - whatever. You get a free pass.
Thats kind of like my idea for restraining order rules. If a woman gets a restraining order against her abusive boyfriend or husband she can leagally use deadly force if he even accidentally breaches the order.
Havent crowd-sourced the various implications pro\con on that one mind you - but it seems 'empowering' to me.
Issue is, that would empower her to hunt him down and get within a close enough proximity to him so that he becomes in violation of the order, and then she can k*ll him. Unless the law only applies if he invaded her space and not if she invaded his space, but that would be very difficult to enforce.
Yeah- thats the wrinkle that jumps out at me too – but i figure the justice system can sort out those fringe [hopefully] cases. Police could still bring premeditated murder charges against someone if this was suspected – the law\policy wouldnt protect against that.
Not a slam dunk approach by any means but my suggestion does switch the onus and paranoia [or power dynamic, if you will] if the woman is armed.
And, of course, these conditions for restraining order would be for special cases of abuse where one fears for ones life - not for verbal or mental cruelty and such. A regular restraining order would be fine there.
"What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor."
Surely these enforcers (cashiers) will not be denied any of their second amendment rights while on the job, and furthermore, the politicians pushing this will also support these cashiers in their self defense trials after confronting belligerent and/or unstable shoplifters... right? RIGHT?!?!?
“What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor.”
Yeah, I'm having trouble thinking of a more think-tankey, inside-the-beltway, elitist, I-shop-at-whole-foods-in-a-tony-Virginia-suburb statement than that one right there.
Gee, I wonder what happened to the legal landscape which affected the corporate stomach for 'enforcement' of theft on their own floors? I wonder if that's why it's literally cheaper to close the whole San Francisco store altogether, rather than 'enforce' the law in the confines of your own property.
“What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor.”
Real workers that are typically advised that they will be fired if they try to prevent someone from shoplifting.
"If lawmakers still want to ban self-checkout machines anyway, they should at least be honest about why."
And you think this kind of flaccid admonition is going to shame them into honesty? When in the entire recorded history of law-making has "honesty" even been a serious consideration?
What I don't understand is why legislators don't simplify things and simply take cash from some classes of people and give it to others? They do some of that, but why don't they save themselves some work and operate exclusively that way? Like say, in this case, just give grants to cashiers.
I see the concept that all individuals have an equal right to the fruits of their individual labor regardless of "class" never occured to you.
Please forget you ever heard the term "Libertarian."
Find an unstaffed register. #1 staffs it, pocketing #2's cash; then #1 and #2 switch places.
>“What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor.”
Does this moron not know that employees - except for those in specific loss-prevention positions - are forbidden by the company from interfering in a crime taking place in the store? *Especially* if its just a property crime. And what employee is going to risk their body to prevent someone from stealing from the company? They just call the police and the police wander by after the shoplifter has already left.
This is something that way predates self-checkouts.
And you can look at California - cashiers can only watch and shrug as shoplifting gangs clean the place out.
What color is the sky in your world? Because in the real world, nobody lost their job to self-check out. Haven’t you noticed all the store “helpers” standing around the self-checkout areas? THAT’s what makes self check out so absurd. Well, that and the fact that self-checkout machines appear to have been designed by dyslexic Martian engineers who hate Earth people.
The staff have been reassigned to personal shopping duty for the fat lazy fucks that have to app in their order then come pick it up.
This is true about the shift of labor. This past Black Friday was tranquil for cashiers like myself, but it was gojng gangbusters for pick-up and delivery staff!
Now, in all fairness, I did use app delivery when I suffered from Rhabdomyolysis and couldn’t hump groceries up my stairs easily without multiple tiring trips.
And even when able-bodied, if I was really deep into my work or play, I might want delivery as a convenience too, just so I can say "i just got it like that."
Nothing wrong here, unless of course Elon Muskie gets on some silly pseudo-moral high-horse about it.
Because obviously the world should be set up to cater to the LBPT pedo gimps of the world.
If you were a normal person, you’d realize why normal people have a problem with self-checkout bans.
It’s the baggers. It’s like they all drink Retard Soda before coming to work. Sure, let’s drop the canned goods on the potato chips and loaf of bread. Sure, let’s fit the rotisserie chicken next to the gallon of milk. How do you fit a pizza box into a bag, oh I know, vertically! Are eggs fragile? Even when you arrange your groceries on the conveyor to be bagger friendly, they still manage to do the worst job possible.
I like self-checkout just to avoid other people bagging my groceries in the stupidest way possible.
But, I get it – the worst of us (in this case, shoplifters) immediately abuse it, and that’s why we can’t have nice things.
Which brings me back to my original argument on the subject – let the people who want nice things beat to death in the parking lot the people who abuse nice things.
(Also, since it's you I'm replying to - consider this same argument in parallel to why the LGBT pedo cult went from "Fine, whatever, just shut up" to "Your near and final future is a trailer hitch." The slippery slope is REAL.)
Part of the problem with self-checkouts is that it's not so cut and dried. Did someone legitimately forget to scan an item or did they do it maliciously?
But personally I like them because far too many cashiers are nosey busybodies who can't help but comment on your purchases. Unfortunately, that still happens with self-check outs when you have to buy something that has an age requirement.
The other thing i hate about cashiers is their phony friendliness far too many have. Like a game show host. And yet somehow they never seem to grok that I also work at the store, even though they see me in the breakroom all the damn time.
Did someone legitimately forget to scan an item or did they do it maliciously?
I mean, the tech makes that pretty hard at this point. And, honestly, we're not that far away from even better tech that digitally tags every item in the store, and sets off an alarm if it isn't untagged upon purchase (think like a high-tech version of the mag clips and inkpods you used to see on clothes in department stores).
Someone who legitimately forgets to scan will stop and turn back. The latter will bolt. At which point, we hope that someone hits him with their car.
So you hate both legitimate friendly talk admiring your purchase (which I always give customers) and you hate phoney friendliness both at the same time? I guess you want cashiers to be Shmoos.
The Legend of the Shmoo
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Well, self-checkout was made just for you, perhaps as just deserts.
Machines don't care about human cognitive dissonance or cater to schizziness. They play well if you play nice and play Hell if you don't. They are the perfect embodiment of Anton LaVey's Satanic Golden Rule.
By the way, JeremyR, when you're talking to AT, you're talking to someone as deranged as SarahPalin's Buttplug, Herr Misek, Misconstrueman, KAR, Nardz, and Goldie.
AT confuses consenting adults with children and dumb animals. Don't click on anything he links. Forewarned is forearmed.
If you actually read, you would know that I don’t favor outlawing self-checkout. I favor letting them rise or fall on their own merits in a Free Marketplace of marketing, merchandising and tendering ideas.
Rest assured, I have my own methodology for tabulating and bagging customers groceries. I bag like items with like, similar items with similar, complementary items with complimentary. And I double-bag always because recycled plastic bags are flimsy as Hell and that’t the kind of bag we usually get.
And that goes right down to me bagging raw beef, pork, and poultry separate from each other, to avoid cross-contamination of pathogens from the different raw meats, even if customers throw them all together on the belt and don’t know shit about basic food handling informed by The Germ Theory of Disease and known by any cook and food server in Modernity.
If you weren’t such a dickhead, I’d give the same customer service treatment to you. But the moment I heard your queer-bashing patter, it’s into the single bags with holes it all goes, with edgy boxes right on the corners. Have fun getting that in the car and house.
Which brings me back to my original argument on the subject – let the people who want nice things beat to death in the parking lot the people who abuse nice things.
(Also, since it’s you I’m replying to – consider this same argument in parallel to why the LGBT pedo cult went from “Fine, whatever, just shut up” to “Your near and final future is a trailer hitch.” The slippery slope is REAL.)
You know, if you start up your talk about pick-up trucks and ropes in front of the wrong retail associate, you could find out that some people regard their own Life, Liberty, and Property as “nice things” and are willing to use deadly force to defend them.
Yep, the “Slippery Slope” is real and if you come into my store with a “Day of the Rope,” you could “Slippery Slope” on a Lego on Aisle 13 followed by an avalanche of the heaviest, sharpest, most caustic, toxic store merchandise in the store!
Retail Employees are now taught to “Avoid, Deny, Defend”. every 90 days or every active shooter event, whichever comes first…and we’re getting a lot of refresher courses. Anybody who pulls that shit now might not live to tell the tale!
Surviving An Active Shooter Event–Civilian Response to Active Shooter
https://youtu.be/j0It68YxLQQ?si=CHv_unCYC2xK_aLh
My strong suggestion is that you and KAR stick to oil-wrestling with each other and stay the fuck away from the rest of us! You’re welcome for the free advice.
Yep, the “Slippery Slope” is real
You missed the point of that.
Here:
https://x.com/LibertyCappy/status/1780278144294854830
And here's the compliment to it:
1995: OK. To each their own.
2005: Yea, whatever. Fine. Just shut up already.
2012: Not cool.
2015: Go to hell.
2024: Actually *racks shotgun* how about I just send you to hell right now.
I got the fucking point and it's stupid! You didn't get my point of mocking your words!
I'm not clicking on any shit from anyone who confuses consenting adults with children and dumb animals like you!
Sarah Palin's Buttplug 1, 2, 3, To Infinity and Beyond did that once and I didn't click then either!
You and KAR can both skip the oil-wrestling and shotgun each other for all I care! I'll turn the book-making and dice-rolling for garments into a death pool instead!
Fuck Off, Torquemada!
Language.
I’m not clicking on any shit from anyone who confuses consenting adults with children and dumb animals like you!
Oh, the irony. Stop, it's too much lmao.
Who's the ones confusing consenting adults with children/animals there, monkeypox? By "children and dumb animals" you must be referring to the "+" in the LGBT+, right? (Which, btw, doesn't apply to me - because I'm normal.)
And make no mistake - they're not confused. It's VERY intentional, and always has been. Diddling kids and animals has been the pot of gold at their little rainbow since the beginning.
Fuck your Goddamn shitty language hang-ups!
Could the possible reason that you make this your one-note symphony be that you "doth protest too much, methinks"?
See my wrinkle above. It is not so simple to run a self-checkout section. Not and do it right.
Whether the increased theft risk and other drawbacks of self-checkout are worth the benefits is a question for the free market to discover. The answer - whichever it is - is not for 'expert' bureaucrats or inexpert politicians to decree, no matter how confident those bureaucrats and politicians are in their big, blessed, piss-pumping hearts.
Indeed! And people who treat retail stores and their hired help like shit have the same Hayekian "problem of knowledge" and just never know what they might get. It might be something worse than their worst fevered nightmares about AI.
As Chicago and major cities all over the nation are learning the hard way, "unintended consequences" are a bitch!
“No one cares more about inventory loss than store owners, whose entire business model is predicated on customers actually paying money for their products.”
Nuh uh! Those greedy retailers just raise prices on the honest customers to compensate for their losses due to theft. The legislature has to protect honest people from greedy businessmen without punishing poor marginalized homeless people who just want stuff and food they can’t afford because of greedy retailers! And then – prolly cause those greedy retailers are prolly also racisss – they close the stores that lose too much money from theft in poor neighborhoods.
LMAO. Those “greedy retailers” spending all day offering supplies for anyone willing to *earn* them.
Course there are those people with the “poor marginalized homeless people” human gene by no fault of their own who cannot *earn* anything and deserves to STEAL from “greedy retailers”. Right, Right?
The amazing amount of leftard self-projection never ceases to amaze me. The ROBBERS (takers) are the angels and the ANGELS (givers) are the robbers. /s
SEIU, pretty much the only private sector non-trade union still left in the country. And with the Prison Guard and Teachers union, are part of the Triumvirate that rules Kalifornia and owns every politician.
Which is damned odd because union workers present only the tiniest of tiny fraction of the voting public. Yet the rule the state.
Self-checkout is the worst. The lines are just as long now, and whenever the machine messes up, the light flashes and you have to wait for the one service person anyway.
This reminds me of yet another problem: The best self-checkout in the world equipped with the best AI in the world can't solve the problems of Inflation.
Hayek and Von Mises both would be laughing their asses off from an island made by Patri Friedman if they were around today.
When I read stupid conclusions, I draw interesting conclusions.
Political organization provides for manufacturing self-fulfilling prophecies by targeting places with self-checkouts for high crime.
Many places with self-checkouts clearly are not affected by this crimewave. Therefore, there must be organized policies behind it to direct criminal intent to exploit certain types of businesses that use self-checkouts.
Crime has, at least in American history, always operated this way if of organizational capacity. Crime operates indifferent to matters of justice and injustice because of what the criminal values more: results over qualified correction. If the behavior in question would not be appropriate once turned around and applied to the acting criminal, results necessarily outweigh correct thinking to the criminal mind. If you wish for a thousand dollars on a bad day then you necessarily would have to be willing to accept all consequences of receiving that thousand dollars, as well, because otherwise it is not a genuine wish. Thankfully, wishing for a hundred thousand dollars cannot be criminalized under today's economy. But has anyone ever considered the consequences of granting a wish-based economy? Yes! And we have a legacy of creative persons to credit with dramatizing such scenarios in various artistic forms.
Crusaders directing criminals to turn to exploiting self-checkouts to obtain some amount of merchandise without paying cannot be proven while remaining only a wish.
"nothing more than naked protectionism for union jobs."
Nonsense. Other than supermarkets, very few retail workers are unionized.
It isn't necessary to turn every article about a bad idea into a union bashing piece.
Sorry, this story doesn’t pass the sniff test. Plenty of stores in “right-to-work” states are curtailing self-check out due to theft. No Union dog in the hunt. Self-checkout - sans the theft - makes sense for the store and the customers. This is just another progressive supporting his preferred constituency - thieves.
Yeah, nothing says "pro-worker" like placing an underpaid, untrained-in-security-work employee between a criminal and the door he wants to go through.
"We know that what makes our community safe is not more jail time and penalties. What makes our community safe is real enforcement, having real workers that are on the floor." "
How would they know in LA? Made they should try it.
Yeah, self checkout is the issue. That's why all the products are behind plastic now. Thieves don't even use the checkout.