The Worst Section 230 Bill Yet
New bipartisan legislation would sunset Section 230 after next year.

In recent years, there's been a steady stream of terrible proposals to amend Section 230, the part of federal communications law that's made the internet as we know it possible. Without Section 230, websites would either be much more mired in toxic content or much more prone to suppressing all but the blandest speech. Yet weakening Section 230 has become a weird political hobby horse for both the left and the right, in part because so much misinformation surrounds it and in part because a lot of politicians loathe communications platforms (like social media and the internet more broadly) outside of their control.
Generally, such designs take the form of content-specific carve-outs (i.e., Section 230 doesn't apply when such-and-such type of speech is concerned) or tech-specific conditions (i.e., large social media platforms must do X, Y, and Z or lose Section 230 protection).
But a new proposal does away with even that much nuance. It would simply "sunset" Section 230 after next year.
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Bipartisan Lunacy
The draft proposal is bipartisan, which is how you know it's especially bad. It comes from Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R–Wash.) and Rep. Frank Pallone (D–N.J.) and consists of exactly one provision:
Section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 (477 U.S.C. 230) is amended by adding at the end the following:
"(g) SUNSET.—This section shall have no force or effect after December 31, 2025."
While it's nice to see legislation that doesn't beat around the bush or wallow in legalese, the "Section 230 Sunset Act" is still really, really bad.
McMorris Rodgers and Pallone "seem to fundamentally misunderstand how the law works and what the consequences of repealing it would be," writes Mike Masnick at Techdirt, pointing to the pair's Wall Street Journal op-ed published Monday.
The McMorris Rodgers and Pallone op-ed manages to get just about everything about Section 230 wrong, including its origins. Section 230 was part of a panicky "protect the children" law known as the Communications Decency Act, not a measure meant to "help people and businesses connect, innovate and share information," as the pair so absurdly claims.
("There's an old saying that goes, 'How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.' These days, one can ask, 'How do you know when Section 230 is being misunderstood?' and answer, 'A politician is talking about it,'" Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression lawyer Robert Corn-Revere aptly wrote in Reason last year.)
McMorris Rodgers and Pallone go on to spew a litany of modern moral panics about tech companies. Big Tech is "refusing to strengthen their platforms' protections against predators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, extortioners and cyberbullies," they write, accusing Section 230 of making this possible.
But every big tech company has massive teams and tools devoted to stopping criminal and otherwise objectionable content on their platforms. Failing to do so can result in not only reputational harm and loss of advertising revenue but also potential criminal liability, as in the case of Backpage. Every incentive aligns for them to work hard to block "predators, drug dealers, sex traffickers," etc. The fact that they can't entirely end bad actors from using their platforms isn't proof of Section 230's flaws but the fact that we live in reality. In the digital world as much as off of it, some bad actors will find a way to do harm, no matter folks' best intentions.
Besides, algorithms—which McMorris Rodgers and Pallone decry as tools of tech terror—explicitly prevent a lot of objectionable content from floating to the tops of everyone's feeds. And algorithms are possible because of Section 230, as Masnick points out. "Without it, companies wouldn't offer up any algorithms at all. This is because that would be moderating, and that would lead to the potential of knowledge, and with it, ruinous liability."
A World Without Section 230
Section 230 is a short provision that provides website operators and users with some protection from legal liability for speech generated by other people.
Because Section 230 incentivizes both content moderation and free speech, a world without Section 230 would be a world in which some corners of the internet became more likely to shut down user-generated speech entirely and others became less likely to moderate at all. We'd see fewer venues for free speech online, along with a proliferation of spam, hateful speech, and other things that major tech companies usually work hard to keep away.
And an internet without Section 230 would not only be miserable for your average person online, it would also give even more power to big tech companies. Many smaller companies wouldn't be able to keep up with the demands of running an interactive website in a world where Section 230 didn't exist.
"I feel like it would be funny to finally let these idiots catch the car & take credit for crashing the internet & costing the US economy billions of dollars a week," commented WIRED writer Dell Cameron on BlueSky. "I think the only reason they play this game at all is that they know they'll never win."
A shortcut to First Amendment protections
Section 230 enables free speech, so it's no wonder that politicians dislike it. But your average internet user should be grateful for Section 230. So why are so many folks these days critical of it? In large part, it seems, because of misconceptions about the law.
One of the biggest misconceptions about Section 230 is that it gives social media or big tech platforms "special" protections above and beyond what would otherwise be allowed by law.
What a lot of people don't understand is that in most cases where these platforms invoke Section 230 as a defense, the First Amendment would also be a defense. If the case went through a whole trial on the merits, the platform would ultimately prevail on First Amendment grounds.
But going through a whole trial every time an attorney general decides it would be fun to try and wring some money out of a big company, or every time a random person decided to try and score some civil lawsuit cash by objecting to something they see online, would be a huge suck on time, money, and resources for web companies. It would be prohibitively so for many smaller entities, forcing them to either severely suppress speech or go out of business. And it would be enough of a drain on bigger platforms that they would likely radically change content moderation policies, too.
Section 230 isn't a special right granted to online entities, it's a shortcut, allowing them to fend off doomed lawsuits without substantially less effort than mounting a full First Amendment defense would.
We made this video about Section 230 myths back in 2020, and (alas!) it's still very much relevant today. Can someone please share with McMorris Rodgers and Pallone?
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Without Section 230, websites would either be much more mired in toxic content or much more prone to suppressing all but the blandest speech.
Sorry, can't let this one go by.
*Reason Translator beep boop*
Without Section 230, there'd be either too much speech, or not enough speech.
Now, on the 'too much' speech side, I find that shockingly bizarre for a market-place-of-ideas libertarian magazine to fret about. On the 'blandest of speech' supposition, it puts me in mind of 2015-2024 where the major internet companies began aggressively policing all manner of speech, culminating in full-on collaboration with the federal government, and then eventually a sitting administration due to a shared interest in stopping "disinformation".
[insert facepalm animated gif]
Because Section 230 incentivizes both content moderation and free speech, a world without Section 230 would be a world in which some corners of the internet became more likely to shut down user-generated speech entirely and others became less likely to moderate at all.
Sounds like a marketplace of ideas, no?
A world without Section 230:
On this platform, if you mention vaccine side effects, you’re banned and your account deleted. If you deadname a trans person, you’re banned and your account deleted. If you wonder if a given election might have had some undue influence, and you’re not Nancy Pelosi, you’re banned and your account deleted.
But on that platform, you can!
OH WHAT A WORLD WITHOUT SECTION 230!
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
230 never incentivized moderation. That is a false claim. It gave immunity for non entity content.
The fact that 230 was stretched by SV courts to include contractual disputes was also not intended by 230.
JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer is THE Pervfect Expert on non entity content!!!! EXPLAIN shit to us, Ye Pervfect Non-Butt-Somehow-Always-Anyway-Entshitty Expert!
I find that shockingly bizarre for a market-place-of-ideas libertarian magazine to fret about.
Section 230: pick a number between 1 and 100.
Without section 230: Pick a number, 1 or 100.
With section 230, you can have too little speech, too much speech and everything in between. ENB argues that the in between will be eliminated without 230. You can argue she's wrong, but you can't sell her argument as a limitation of choices.
She has LITERALLY (not figuratively, but LITERALLY) made the argument that with section 230, we neither have too much speech, nor too little speech, and therefore section 230 has provided us with JUST the right amount of speech.
It's quite a stunning argument, but you do you, baby.
Well, she did put it rather lamely, actually, yes.
Section 230 is free-market compatible. Under Section 230, my web site and I can NOT be blamed for what YOU posted to it.
Are YOU in favor of being punished for what I wrote?
Well, she did put it rather lamely, actually, yes.
Thank you. I'll take that as a Capital Double-U
Are YOU in favor of being punished for what I wrote?
Section 230 does nothing in service of that outcome. You do know that there's a first amendment, right?
"Are YOU in favor of being punished for what I wrote?
Section 230 does nothing in service of that outcome. You do know that there’s a first amendment, right?"
Section 230 does nothing in service of YOU being punished for what I wrote is correct! S-230 does the EXACT opposite!
Section 230 …
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml
Study up if you think that what I have written above is wrong!
Lol, shitzy was given a specific quote directly from section 230 once and called it right wing spin. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.
You're full of shit! It was a heading-label only! "Good Samaritan" heading-label does NOT affect the content of the law! Shall we change the heading-label to "BAD Samaritan", and then all you liars will be HAPPY, finally, with S-230?
You'll be back wit the SAME lies tomorrow, nit-wit liar!
Tomorrow, they will pass a law labelled “The Purity, Cleanliness, and Anti-Pollution Law”, and NO decent person could disagree with THAT, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
Within this law, there will be a paragraph labelled the “Anti-Messy-Housekeeping Provision”, and again, ALL good people will AGREE with that. BUTT… The paragraph’s CONTENTS will say, “All Jewish people being known to be filthy, shall legally forfeit their lives, in any and all unclean Jew-containing households, so that the CLEAN people can, legally, kill the unclean ones, cleansing our collective households, reducing pollution, and CLEANING our world!”
And STUPID AND EVIL people like YOU will look at the LABEL of the paragraph, and ignore the CONTENTS, whenever You think it will get You some POWER!!!
So “Good Samaritans” are BAD, and we need EVIL Samaritans instead, right, Servant-Serpent of the Evil One? And SOMEHOW (PLEASE explain this to us!), the “Good Samaritans”-labelled clause FORCED Twitter to unwillingly accept ??? mind-control from the Government Almighty, and MADE them do things that they did NOT want to do? Without Government Almighty EVER punishing ANY Twitter employees for “incorrect” political moderation?
What punishment does Perfect You, and Your Perfect Punishment Clitoris, wish to wreak upon the disobedient Twitterites, for accepting suggestions that YOU do NOT approve of, ON THEIR FUCKING WEB SITE, NOT YOURS, pray tell?
Lol, shitzy was given a specific quote directly from section 230 once and called it right wing spin. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.
Answer a SIMPLE question, nit-wit twat!
“Good Samaritan” heading-label does NOT affect the content of the law! Shall we change the heading-label to “BAD Samaritan”, and then all you liars will be HAPPY, finally, with S-230?
I even found a place in the Federal Universal Enforceable codes that said CONTENT and NOT headings are used to codify the laws!!! Yet here you (and STUPID Moose-Mammary) are, telling the same lies over and over and over again!!! TWAT a surprise, Twats!
From https://uscode.house.gov/detailed_guide.xhtml#second … “Headings. The second type of change involves adding or modifying section and subsection headings. If a Code section is based on an act section that has headings, the Code will usually retain the original headings. However, in some cases, such as where there are no headings in the original act or where the section text is amended in such a way as to make the act headings inaccurate, the Code editors will provide or modify headings for the Code section.”
Simpler: Contents get updated and headings are now newly obsolete? The heading and NOT the contents are supposed to get updated!!! CONTENTS matter and headings do NOT!!! Go pound sand, ye Perfectly Ignorant, Lying BITCH!!!
Lol, shitzy was given a specific quote directly from section 230 once and called it right wing spin. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.
You are FAR more stupid than a box full of rocks!!!
If, ass YOUR stupid ass says, the HEADINGS of laws are what matters, and the cuntents of the paragraphs of the law mean nothing, then laws would look like this:
THE FAIRIES PROVISION
Fairies are blah!
THE PURPLE BABOONS CLAUSE
Baboons are smarter than R Mack who eats and Snorts Smack
Good Samaritans Shit
Stuff and stuff is stuffy... Except when shit is SNOT!
WHY even provide a paragraph when the header is the be-all and end-all?
YOU would Pervfectly replace law with meaningless gibberish, Oh Great Brainless Wonder!
HEY MORON!!! The docs of Government Almighty (as I provided you) prove you WRONG!!! WHEN do ye plan to grow a BRAIN?
Lol, shitzy was given a specific quote directly from section 230 once and called it right wing spin. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about
Lol, R Mack Who Talks and Snorts Cow Shit AND Smack is dumber than a manure spreader full of horse shit… And PROUD of shit!!!
Hey Profoundly Retarded Wonder Child… WHY do laws include paragraphs of content along with headings, if the headings are all that matter?
Twat do you REALLY want, Profoundly Retarded Wonder Child? A heading in each law that says, "This Heading means that this laws says twatever right-wing wrong-nuts say that shit means"?
Tim The Enchanter. Lol, shitzy was given a specific quote directly from section 230 once and called it right wing spin. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about
R Mack Who Talks and Snorts Cow Shit AND Smack is dumber than a manure spreader full of horse shit… Can ye get ANY more stupid, please? Try harder, you can DO shit! Starting suggestions follow...
S-230 ass re-written by Stupid Smack...
THE EVIL SAMAR-SHITAN CLAUSE
Breeble Gwee-Whop Gwindle Boop-Blarg
(This mean twatever Right-Wing Wrong-Nuts say that shit means, as they read the Magical Tea Leaves, while wearing their tinfoil hate-hats.)
She has LITERALLY (not figuratively, but LITERALLY) made the argument that with section 230, we neither have too much speech, nor too little speech, and therefore section 230 has provided us with JUST the right amount of speech.
Where did she say that?
Anyway, I think the argument is that section 230 cleared the way for the free market to find just the right amount of speech.
Markets generally don't allow retroactive contract changes. This is often a threat on content creators. YouTube was sold on a set of rules, providing payment for content. And we see them constantly making ToS changes to creators and then removing or demonizing past content of videos made prior to the rule change. These creators have curated customers for years. Yet the company is allowed to change the ToS on a whim. Threatening removal of the entire channel customer base.
Section 230 has nothing to do with contracts as written. Would repealing it fix your gripe with changing ToS and the universal "subject to change without warning" that we all click "agree" to.
You know, people keep saying this and then ignoring how far Silicon Valley courts have stretched 230. You are free to look up Megan Murphy suit. I believe I’ve given it to you before.
If 230 was executed as intended at not used to justify censorship and monetary threats it would be less bad.
But I also don't believe favored industries should get favored liability waivers. Do you?
Yes, we spoke about this before. Specifically my question pertains to this in the Murphy ruling which states the ruling would be the same without section 230:
Even assuming, however, that section 230(c)(1) immunity does not apply, we would affirm the trial court’s judgment because Murphy failed to state a cognizable cause of action.
1. Breach of Contract
….
Her claim necessarily fails, however, because Twitter’s terms of service expressly state that they reserve the right to “suspend or terminate [users’] accounts . . . for any or no reason” without liability… Waivers of liability that are “ ‘clear, unambiguous and explicit’ ” bar claims that expressly fall within their scope…The clear terms of Twitter’s user agreement preclude a claim for breach of contract based on the allegations of Murphy’s complaint.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/archive/A158214.DOCX&ved=2ahUKEwjSkfn_3JCGAxWpEVkFHZdaDKoQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0BhpVmUBxKqP5-Td_A3WoR
So youre defending an unconscionable contract not allowed in other industries.
I completely disagree with this allowance even if courts don't care.
In no other contract would an entity be granted the summary you have provided. Not one. This very statement is based on 230 covering contract terms.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unconscionability
So I disagree with both the court and with your inference in the judgment. This is literally my issue as stated.
On top of that we have other cases of required content neutrality listed in this article.
Go down to Relevant Cases.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/05/texas-blew-it-in-big-tech-case-before-the-supreme-court/
How progressive of you, Jesse! Freedom of contract has always been limited not by libertarians, but by nanny state lefties. Must be the common authoritarian in you, coming out, eh?
“Section 230 has nothing to do with contracts as written.”
Tell that to the judges that have ruled otherwise.
Yeah true, but as I pointed out to Jesse above, the courts would and did carve out that exception even without section 230.
No. You didn’t.
The clear terms of Twitter’s user agreement preclude a claim for breach of contract based on the allegations of Murphy’s complaint.
I cite the standard of unconscionability above. No other industry is granted the rights the judge issued in his decision.
I’m sorry. But just because a judge had waives something doesn’t mean it is right or correct. Just like the NY judge saying the 2A doesn’t exist in her court.
In terms of standard contract law terms for severability of agreement must be clear and must be known by both parties. It can not be a general "we win" clause.
“Just like the NY judge saying the 2A doesn’t exist in her court.”
Libertarians that like to boaf sidez really need to be repeatedly smacked across the face by this one.
A fucking leftist judge literally said, in a courtroom, that part of the Bill of Rights doesn’t exist there. And it got very little coverage.
I'm not arguing that the breach of contract aspect was decided correctly, only that it was decided independently of section 230 and would stand without 230. The ruling also addresses and rejects the standard of unconscionability under the same "Even assuming, however, that section 230(c)(1) immunity does not apply" section in the next paragraph.
Murphy alleges Twitter’s terms of service are substantively unconscionable because Twitter could use them to suspend or terminate user accounts for petty, arbitrary, irrational, discriminatory, or unlawful reasons. Terms allowing service providers to “discontinue service, or remove content unilaterally,” however, are routinely found in standardized agreements and enforced by courts.
I’ve seen several court decisions that cited 230 as an excuse to absolve contract violations.
I have no doubt. Activist judges find convenient penumbras and emenations and they would do so without 230. They already did.
Even regardless of ENBs argument, the opposite is empirically true across several dimensions.
Gun channels on YouTube have progressively gone from "1, 100, and everything in between" to "Watch me blow shit up or talk about this antique." And it's not like YouTube was just enormously popular, making money hand over fist, and decided to shed some dead weight.
Similar goes for racial supremacy/hate speech and modern transgender idiocy, even without the known and published illegal collusion to silence opposition. We went from "Nobody really talks about the problems genuinely intersex individuals face." to (still not really talking about the problems genuinely intersex individuals face and) "We should be able to have men who get off by satirically hyper-sexualizing women reading stories to children in public libraries and schools about how affirming it is to have their genitals cut off."
No pause for reflection as to whether Black Lives Matter or All Lives Matter, just straight from "I can't breathe." and "Hands up! Don't shoot!" to "mostly peacefully" burning shit down.
Even without the obvious farce of "The law called 'Protection for the right kind of people blocking and screening of offensive material' can't reasonably be inferred to infringe on anyone's free speech.", the idea that our communication is more diverse and nuanced now rather than before, let alone critically because of S230, is an even more retardedly laughable farce.
I mean, FFS. The Administration tried to establish a Ministry of Truth to combat disinformation on the internet. The same administration that was documentedly, independently, leaning on Twitter, Facebook, and several other internet platforms. S230 didn't protect free speech for shit in any of it. Even the baby that ENB apparently enjoys watching get abused, Backpage, didn't get shit out of S230.
The idea that "with S230: 1-100; without S230: 1 or 100" is just too retarded for any honest, functioning brain. It's getting to the point where it's Shikha Dalmia/SQRLSY One levels of performative idiocy and people would be better served time and intelligence-wise by (foregoing) watching monkeys fling shit at each other.
People would be MUCH better served time and intelligence-wise by foregoing watching monkeys fling Casually Mad (who causes Casual Madness) at each other.
“We should be able to have men who get off by satirically hyper-sexualizing women reading stories to children in public libraries and schools about how affirming it is to have their genitals cut off.”
I don’t see a problem with this.
— Lying Jeffy
ENB is a dishonest cunt that ignores that with 230 we are only given the "choose between 1 and 100 but only 99 and 100 are not bannable offenses" option. She was, and is, all in on platform censorship and government collusion to shut down opposition speech and truth so long as that shutdown focused on conservative speech or was counter to the current Marxist narrative of the day.
Typing one-handed, again?
You can argue she’s wrong, but you can’t sell her argument as a limitation of choices.
Right. Because that's how command economies work. The government determines what can be said and what Good Samaritans should censor at any price. The bill is literally titled "Protection For 'Good Samaritan' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material" in order to 'sell' it you would have to fudge what it actually does and make up utterly bullshit grandiose lies about what you want people to imagine it does with slogans like "It's the 1A of the internet." and "The 26 words that created the internet."
What?
Too many words for you there, genius? So much for the 1 to 100 vs. 1 or 100 options. For you it's more like "Not more than ~50. Take it or leave it."
Dumbass.
I never claimed to be a genius. Language is not the strongest component of my intellect. I often find your posts too pedantic, rambling, long-winded, meandering, digressive, circumlocutory, and periphrastic to understand (thank you thesaurus), but hey, I'm just a dumbass.
Twat Casually Mad haunts to spray is, the purple banana daiquiri is perversely inappropriate to the pubic root of the lusty baboon! If'n yer baboons are farting away in their twat-hair balloons, then the farticle (twat the raves; ore ass opposed to the raves) theories are hoptimally used. Farticle Theory tells us that stuff and stuff is stuffy... Except when shit is SNOT stuffy!!!
(Yer welcome!!!!)
A little clearer....
The government telling companies what to censor doesn’t have anything to do with being a good samaritan and the people that use bullshit talking points to convince you it does are lying or stupid.
The government telling companies what to censor... Put WHO in jail lately for disobeying, Lying Wonder Child?
The government telling companies what to censor doesn’t have anything to do with being a good samaritan and the people that use bullshit talking points to convince you it does are lying or stupid.
Thanks for the translation. I agree, the government telling what to sensor has nothing to do with being a good samaritan. Government sensorship is a problem with or without section 230 (which will hopefully be set right by SCOTUS).
Saying the government might find another excuse for censorship is not a good defense of what the government is currently using as an excuse for censorship.
Yeah but that's not what I'm saying. Not "They might find." I'm saying "they have already found."
So I challenge you, what will improve with the repeal of 230? Government control of what can and cannot be removed?
I think we'll see soon enough what the internet looks like without 230 and then further encroachment. We'll tell our grandchildren about the wild west days of internet freedom we experienced before congress/courts determined it to be a common carrier and brought it under heavy government regulation: message boards criticizing government, ample foul language, discussions and instructions of illegal activities, free porn, but also some offensive speech, hurt feelings and some very dark and disturbing things that were the justification to reign in our online freedom. In 50 years the internet will have all the excitement of today's NPR.
You got the name slightly wrong. The title of section 230 is, "Protection for private blocking and screening of offensive material". You have accurately cited the name of section 230(c), which is but one part of section 230. The rest of section 230 includes provisions which clarify that section 230 has no effect on any federal criminal law, or intellectual property law, or any state law (of which many section 230 critics seem to be ignorant).
Section 230 was not a "bill", but it was part of a much larger bill which became a law called the Telecommunications Act of 1996, Title V of which was usually called the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (which was then formally codified as part of the Communications Act of 1934). Most of the 1996 law was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1997 for being unconstitutional, but section 230 was "severed" and survived.
If you want to know what Congress thought it was doing, you could review the words of Republican Chris Cox:
"We want to encourage people like Prodigy, like CompuServe, like America Online, like the new Microsoft network, to do everything possible for us, the customer, to help us control, at the portals of our computer, at the front door of our house, what comes in and what our children see. This technology is very quickly becoming available, and in fact every one of us will be able to tailor what we see to our own tastes.
We can go much further, Mr. Chairman, than blocking obscenity or
indecency, whatever that means in its loose interpretations. We can keep away from our children things not only prohibited by law, but prohibited by parents. That is where we should be headed, and that is what the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. Wyden] and I are doing.
Mr. Chairman, our amendment will do two basic things: First, it will
protect computer Good Samaritans, online service providers, anyone who provides a front end to the Internet, let us say, who takes steps to screen indecency and offensive material for their customers. It will protect them from taking on liability such as occurred in the Prodigy case in New York that they should not face for helping us and for helping us solve this problem. Second, it will establish as the policy of the United States that we do not wish to have content regulation by the Federal Government of what is on the Internet, that we do not wish to have a Federal Computer Commission with an army of bureaucrats regulating the Internet because frankly the Internet has grown up to be what it is without that kind of help from the Government. In this fashion we can encourage what is right now the most energetic technological revolution that any of us has ever witnessed. We can make
it better. We can make sure that it operates more quickly to solve our problem of keeping pornography away from our kids, keeping offensive material away from our kids, and I am very excited about it."
It’s like combining strategic and reluctant on a single task.
Sorry, can’t let this one go by.
Imagine going back to 1996 and reporting that Section 230 may've had some effect on keeping trolls off the internet but that it's hard to tell with the current-day trend of internet-dependent kids being told by men who claim they're women on the internet to affirm their true selves via castration.
It would be like going back to Oppenheimer and reporting that "After we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we went on to nuke part of Germany, Moscow, St. Petersberg, Kabul, Hanoi, and Beijing to eliminate the specter of totalitarianism. Just like you intended!"
Words and ideas are dangerous.
Especially the toxic ones!
There is no such thing as misinformation.
It is a made up word, using the concepts of newspeak, to force a political result.
You are sadly misinformed. There are words for fairies, unicorns, and honest politicians. There's also a word for misinformation. Alternately put, ALL words are "made up"!
Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information. Misinformation can exist without specific malicious intent; disinformation is distinct in that it is deliberately deceptive and propagated. Misinformation can include inaccurate, incomplete, misleading, or false information as well as selective or half-truths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation#:~:text=Misinformation%20is%20incorrect%20or%20misleading,as%20selective%20or%20half%2Dtruths.
There is no such thing as Longtobefree.
It is a made up word...
There is no such thing as misinformation because it’s never the case that people say things that are just wrong. No. Everyone knows what the Truth is. That means that nobody is ever wrong. They are either right or they are lying. Nobody innocently spreads information that they incorrectly believe is correct. No, they are knowingly spreading lies. People who say that they change their minds with new information are really liars who are only changing their tune because everyone knows that what they said before was a lie. But they knew the Truth the whole time. And if you want to know what the Truth is, ask a MAGA. They’ll tell you that everyone knows the Truth, and anyone who does not say the Truth is a liar.
Facts can change!
The Donald's erections were STOLEN!!! Now THIS is a Profoundly Truthy FACT that can NEVER change!
Do alternative facts change, too?
It is a made up word that was made up to describe what you said. Well not exactly, but in the neighborhood.
Somewhat ironically, the meaning of the word has shifted due to a poorly executed misinformation campaign.
All words are "made up", genius.
Liz, why did you summon the squirrel?
SOMEONE somewhere needs to speak the truth!
A better question: which way will reason choose?
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Guess we know.
I have noticed that ALL commercial spam is GONE!!! Hooray for Reason! (Reason.com belongs to Reason, and not to the Government Almighty, nor to the Collective Hive, nor to the voters. Hooray for the free market, and for property rights! DOWN with Marxism!)
The draft proposal is bipartisan, which is how you know it's especially bad.
It's like you, Chris Cox (R), and Ron Wyden (D) fell out of the same retarded tree and hit every same retarded branch at the same time on the way down.
Every time you have to tinker with something, you should ask yourself what the real problem is, what was the purpose of that thing you want to tinker with? And again ask yourself, how will my new bandaid need to be tinkered with next?
In the case of §230, the original problem was the rigid classification of web sites into publishers, platforms, and something else. And that was necessary because government encouraged people to file libel, slander, and defamation lawsuits against each other. The stated goal of §230 was to let platforms delete obscene comments without being labeled a publisher.
Of course the platforms found §230 was also handy for acting like a publisher without saying they were publishers, deleting messages and accounts for politically incorrect messages.
The proper solution is a judicial system which doesn't make it so hard for individuals to hold corporations to account within a reasonable time. When they get away with malfeasance, they do it again.
In the case of §230, the original problem was the rigid classification of web sites into publishers, platforms, and something else.
False. The classifications had stood for decades with no real problem. Per your own idiocy: “The stated goal of §230 was to let platforms delete obscene comments without being labeled a publisher.”
You say, “government encouraged people to file libel, slander, and defamation lawsuits against each other” but the government can’t make anyone file a lawsuit. What it can do is grant exceptions and special protections to pre-existing law.
You’ve created a stork and a cabbage patch problem that aren’t required to deliver this baby.
False. The real problems were the usual added complexity. If you think that paying lawyers more to solve an artificial problem is just hunky dory, then you live in a different world.
The Communications Act of 1934 was written in (and for) a different world. It was not fit for purpose in 1996, nor would it be so in 2026 (if this proposal successfully repeals section 230).
Do you oppose the repeal of section 230?
Casually Mad, that is THE most wise thing you've said... In FOREVER!!! Keep on saying NOTHING, and ye will NOT say SOOOO many stupid things any more!!!
A portal that "provides a direct real-time link from Dublin's North Earl Street to people walking past on New York's Fifth Avenue" was temporarily shut down on both ends because people flashed their breasts or pornographic images to onlookers across the sea.
And? As masculinist libertarian as I may be, I don't believe anyone is owed a public forum to flash their tits across an ocean.
what got me was them putting it where the most people get the most drunk the most often (you have not been a true tourist in Dublin if you haven't gone to temple bar and gotten hammered)) and then they were surprised by all of this.
I found Dublin very disappointing.
definitely better parts of Ireland. but the bars filled with fiddles, guitars, and lots of drunk people singing along is a good time, IMHO.
Mary Malone shows off her girls all the time in Dublin.
The pubs of course. Chatty cabbies. Book of Kells. James Joyce house. Guinness St James Gate brewery tour.
Of course; For 2024 the political agenda is to kill the 1st Amendment. One by one the total elimination of the US Constitution.