The Federal Government is Literally Taxing Air
Arcane tax rules based on carbonation levels are flattening the growth of America's craft cider industry.

America's tax code is notoriously convoluted, but the complexity really sparkles when it comes to the federal government's approach to alcohol taxation. Wine, beer, and liquor are all subject to varying tax rates based on intricate calculations, but the so-called "bubble tax" for hard cider is the star of this regulatory circus.
Unbeknownst to most Americans, the tax rate for alcoholic cider is based on, among other things, the amount of carbonation the drink contains. Yes, America technically already has a carbon tax and the feds have literally found a way to tax air. Craft cider makers are being flattened by an arbitrary system that is strangling the industry's long-term potential.
Under the federal code, alcoholic cider is taxed as either hard cider, still wine, or sparkling wine, and the implications of which category applies are not insignificant. Hard cider is taxed at a modest $0.226 per gallon, while sparkling wine is taxed at a whopping $3.40 per gallon—a staggering 1,400 percent increase. For every 100 gallons of cider produced, Uncle Sam either takes $22 in taxes or $340 in taxes.
What determines how cider is categorized and taxed? A ridiculous three-part formula based on a) what type of fruit is used to make the cider, b) the alcohol content of the cider, and c) what carbonation level the cider contains.
Imagine you're a cider maker aiming for the lower tax rate to apply to your product. You need to produce a cider that is made from apples or pears (with no other fruit additions), is less than 8.5 percent alcohol by volume (ABV), and has less than or equal to 0.64 grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) per 100mL. However, if you decide to add some blackberries or grapes, it's considered a still wine and taxed at $1.07 per gallon—but only if it has less than 0.392 grams of CO2 per 100mL. If you go over that carbonation threshold, you've unlocked sparkling wine status and with that the $3.40 per gallon tax rate.
Confused? It gets worse.
If your pear or apple cider is over 0.64 grams of CO2, it gets the sparkling wine rate. But it's knocked back down to the still wine rate if it's less than 0.392 grams of CO2 and the ABV level is 8.5 percent or higher. Whether the bubbles are added via "force carbonated" or "bottle conditioned" carbonation creates another tax delineation for the sparkling wine category. A flow chart is needed just to unpack all the potential permutations and combinations:

The implications of this tax labyrinth extend to consumers. A report from Wine Enthusiast notes that modern drinkers have grown to expect beer-like carbonation levels in their alcoholic beverages, thereby creating pressure for cider makers to add more carbonation to their products.
One cider maker from Oregon reported that he receives frequent emails from consumers complaining about flat cider, which they incorrectly blame on him rather than the government. If adding more carbonation could financially cripple a small business, it's little wonder many cider makers feel that their hands are tied.
The disparity is glaring when compared to beverages like beer, hard seltzer, and regular soda, which face no such carbonation-based tax penalties. It's a clear disconnect from market realities and consumer demands, which increasingly favor diverse flavors and more carbonation in ciders.
Craft cider makers are doing their best to diversify the carbonation levels and fruits in their ciders to respond to consumer demand, but it's clear the industry has a hard ceiling on its growth due to these tax rules. This is why many cider makers state that their ability to expand—and the ability of the industry as a whole to thrive—is being pointlessly inhibited.
The bubble tax is now getting more attention due to a recent bipartisan bill introduced in Congress, which aims to level the playing field between apple and pear ciders and those made with other fruits. While promising, the best reform would be to convert the entire system of alcohol taxation to one based simply on a drink's ABV level rather than arbitrary classifications.
Craft cider, a beverage steeped in American history, deserves better. Another Michigan cider maker made it even simpler: "It's not expressing the free market. The government needs to get out of the way."
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consumers complaining about flat cider
What would be great would be if the feds would back off on taxing cider at all while this industry rebuilds itself and US consumers relearn what their great great grandparents knew: cider has a wide range of tastes and styles, from very sweet to dead dry, from still as a tomb at midnight to explosive as fireworks. Prohibition killed this market in the US, so it seems to me that a little help, or at least lack of interference, from the ATF would be appropriate to start to make up for past damage done.
Prohibition killed this market in the US, so it seems to me that a little help, or at least lack of interference, from the ATF would be appropriate to start to make up for past damage done.
I bet if you polled ATF agents and workers you'd find a significant number would like a return to Prohibition.
Puritanism is alive and well. They traded their shoes with buckles in for Dr Martens boots.
Cite?
He read it somewhere, trust him. Sure he doesn't remember where it when. But he doesn't have to prove his bald assertions.
It seems logical that bureaucrats would want to eliminate the thing their bureaucracy exists for, right?
And give the government an actual success???
If it's about drinking booze sarc can be his own source and his own citation
This.
Sarcasmic may be unreliable on everything else, but when it comes to booze he's the pope speaking ex cathedra.
Mama moose-bahn-farter-fuhrer may be unreliable on everything else, but when it comes to SUCKING GOD'S HOLY BUTT via PERFECT Theology, She is The Twat's Meooow!!!
ID theft is theft, and EVIL lying!
It’s obvious to EVERYONE except totalitarian, authoritarian assholes like Mamma, who will lecture us on CORRECT Christian Theology, and then go right ahead and engage in blatant identity theft! CORRECT Christian Theology, to Mamma, is like a hairdo or brushing your teeth… Use the right brands and styles, and you are IN! But then treating others the way that you would NOT like to be treated? Like stealing your ID? Totes cool! ‘Cause Mamma is with the COOL KIDS, and any and all tactics to disparage people who are more honest and benevolent than she is? Her hunter-gatherer instincts-emotions instantly kick in! Honest people MUST be put down, so that SHE can RISE with respect to them! This could be called the Jesus-killer ( Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr.-killer, etc.) instinct.
To understand more details of this, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
(I did forget… I need to add John the Baptist to the list. I think a previous incarnNASTYon of Mamma killed him!)
See
https://reason.com/2021/03/24/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8822506
…for Mamma the Moosefucking Theologian holding forth on Christianity, and HOW it justifies ID theft!
Hey Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian!
https://reason.com/2021/03/24/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage/
Have You figured out yet, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I am waiting with bated breath!
Also, how is Your Followership building up? I mean, for Your “Expert Theologians for Worshipful Methods of Identity Theft”? Where do we subscribe to Your Newsletter?
Hear, hear, HEAR ye the self-righteous preachings of MammaryBahnFuhrer! (Imported below). She knows JUST the right “Popular-with-the-Cool-Kids-in-Her-Own-Mind” theology to espouse, along with wearing JUST the right purse, hairstyle, whorestyle, and other accessories! Meanwhile, in the EXACT same source, She engaged in identity theft! Her heart, in truth, is a ravening black hole of hypocrisy, greedy self-righteousness, and other evils!
Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
Mammary-style whorestyles - preachings below:
It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
(End of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer-style preachings.)
We can pick and chose our Bible verses to justify ANY evils we WANT TO justify! And YOU equate "fashionable theology to justify ANY evil shit that I want to do" with Your fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle! Got the right fashionable BELIEFS, and so then The Queen can do WHATEVER She wants! Your BELIEFS will protect You from the consequences of Your evil actions? Do You not GET this, Oh Fashionable Queen of the Internet Cesspools?
"By their fruits, you will know them", is something that Jesus said. DEEDS, not "Magic Beliefs"!
So Great Theologian... How about Your DEEDS? Like identity theft? Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID? How can we know either way, for SURE (how can we believe any denials that You might make), when you steal IDs, and implicitly in doing so, deliberately LIE, for malicious purposes? Stealing another person's ID is something that I would NEVER do!
So tell me again about Your Superior Theology?
PS, You (Oh Queen) are apparently saying that it's OK to act HOWEVER YOU WANT, and get a "free pass" with Your Magic Beliefs, fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle, etc. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!! Your Magic Beliefs DO NOT protect You from the consequences of Your evil choices!!! If You drink a gallon of whiskey every day, is God going to forgive You because You have Magic Beliefs? AND give You Your healthy liver back? Have You SHOWN this to be true? Or do You know ANYONE who has demonstrated this?
If You spit in the faces of ALL of Your friends, will You have any friends left? You're not married, are You? Is this perhaps the pay-back that You have earned by being a Perfectly Superior One, in the face of EVERYONE that You meet? Can you NOT see my basic point, that Your Magic Beliefs are ZERO protection from "karma", or, "what comes around, goes around"? "Karma" can even be applied to the body... Treat your body like shit, and it will NOT be very kind to you, in return!
https://reason.com/2024/02/04/the-bankruptcy-of-bidenomics/?comments=true#comment-10429807
Your words speak for themselves, death-loving necrophiliac! Your “Christianity” is ALL about hate, self-righteousness, and lusting after DEATH for anyone who disagrees with Perfect You! And Your “Christianity” has NOTHING to do with treating others as You’d like to be treated! How can You NAZI this, Oh Perfect One?
That last question kinda answers itself, if you understand evil. You can’t see Your Own Perfect Evil, because… Part of Your Own Perfect Evil is that You DO believe that You Are Perfect!
Hello, WAKE UP!!!!
Providing a teenager with “gender dysphoria”, with ANY kind of “emotional support”, or a charter school with protection from bullying, is the SAME thing as raping 3-year-olds, and MUST be PUNISHED- PUNISHED- PUNISHED in the exact same manner!
Judgmental self-righteous asshole describes you to a "T"!
You have "human dysphoria"... You're an evil inhumane being stuck in a human body! Try to LOVE being a humane human, for once!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer has ZERO balance… She would PUNISH- PUNISH- PUNISH the ones who fart too loudly, the same as the ones who fire-bomb our houses in the middle of the night!
All agonist-muscle, and no antagonist-muscle, You are, Oh Perfect Imbalanced One… All gas pedal, and no brake! And one of these days, You will have earned Your Perfect Self a Perfect Collision of Agony!
You know, Mammary-Fuhrer, your “species dysphoria”? Whereby you have an evil, inhumane spirit stuck in a human body? Let’s call it what it is… It is an EVIL spirit! It does NOT lead to your Happy Place!
Whether your evil spirit is merely metaphorical, or metaphysical, Mephistophelian, or Manichaean, it really doesn’t matter much. (I can say that it is a waste of time to bother to look for it under your bed, or in your closet, is about as far as I will go). The rest isn’t worth arguing about.
All I can say is, whatever its nature may be, your evil spirit is NOT going to lead you to your Happy Place!
I'm not reading 200+ lines worth of crazy, but is Sqrlsy claiming to be demon possessed or something?
Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian pushes SUICIDE for "politically wrong" people, and all who oppose Perfect Her are... Demons!!!
Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian HAS SPOKEN, folks!!!
I have a feeling most of them would like that because of even better job security.
For every 100 gallons of cider produced, Uncle Sam steals $340.
That's just 1/2 of the 'armed-theft' story. Now add on payroll taxes, income taxes, business taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc................
Is this $ used to ensure the businesses Liberty and Justice?
That'd be a joke; The 'government' *IS* the criminal.
Taxation is theft.
Best solution: a head tax ($18 to $20 k per person).
If nothing else, this might get more people to question the size of the federal budget. It also might make some socialist heads explode.
That's not even close to enough. Governments at all levels spend $10T a year. There are 250M adults, which is $40K each. But there are only 170M working age adults, which is $60K each.
What if we import more low skilled workers and pay them 10s of billions a year to be here. As government spending increases GDP, economy is saved.
All we have to do is tax the rich, and we could all be wealthy!
Raise the minimum wage to $1000 an hour, problem solved.
Or set up a system where if you work, you pay the government, but if you don't work, the government pays you. Then no one has to work and the government can just pay us enough to live well + $60K to cover government budget and debt. Oh...better make that $70K so we can afford bubbles in our cider.
Well, the “essential workers” will still have to work. Who will make my lattes if they don’t?
Crap. I thought my idea was airtight, but I forgot about lattes.
What kind of a monster forgets about lattes?
Mormons?
OH crap I said the m word, now I have summoned kar
^THIS. Get it as apparent as possible instead of hiding the theft in mountains of sheeps clothing. The State can do welfare if so needed but this is exactly why the 'money printers' never had Constitutional authority for welfare. State's are required actually balance their budgets instead of steal through inflation.
Pretty good video of someone refuting Pelosi saying populism is a threat to democracy. Weird she has the exact same arguments as sarcjeff.
Winston Marshall
@MrWinMarshall
Nancy Pelosi did not like what I had to say...
Populism is not a threat to democracy.
Democrat elites like her are.
Watch my full Oxford Union speech from the debate with her:
VIDEO
https://twitter.com/MrWinMarshall/status/1788965604096950381
Exactly. Populism was always democracy, vox populi.
When someone tries to tell you that populism is dangerous and that it's better to listen to top men instead, you're talking to an authoritarian.
Never in history has the rule of aristocrats and dictators ever been superior to the rule of the people governed by laws they chose.
Those people who wrote the Constitution must have been authoritarians then. The word “democracy” is in the document exactly zero times. Originally only the House was the only popularly elected part of the federal government. Before the 17A the members of the Senate were chosen by state governments, not elected the people. The Electoral College was similarly appointed by the state legislatures, not elected by the people. Those founders wanted to temper democracy with checks against mob rule. Top men electing top men, instead of directly by the people. Such authoritarians.
But then the Progressive Movement changed all that. They passed the 17A to make the Senate popularly elected, and got the states to tie the Electors to the popular vote. Now they’re passing laws that tie Electors to regional or national popular votes. Vox populi!
^THIS. Well said +1000000000000000.
The USA is a *Constitutional* Republic
NOT a 'democracy'.
This is perhaps the biggest lefty-indoctrinated misunderstanding ever to hit this once-great nation.
I’m just cynical enough that I think their passing of the 17A wasn’t about some support for democracy or the will of the people. Rather it was about making it easier for them to gain/retain power.
Having said that, I don’t think one could really argue that Progressivism wasn’t popular in the early 20th century (for better or worse, personally say worse).
There in lies the real crux of populism/democracy: what’s popular among the masses may not be what’s best.
I’d still take my chances with people going for the populist vs going for the elitist.
Group decision making and markets ALWAYS outperforms designed societies and economies.
The elite are self appointed and not actually elite.
Oh absolutely.
If you actually watched the video you would understand what the response was about.
I should also mention sarc, youre on the side of Pelosi from this debate as seen here.
https://reason.com/2024/03/27/is-javier-milei-making-argentina-great-again/?comments=true#comment-10499971
"Those people who wrote the Constitution must have been authoritarians then. The word “democracy” is in the document exactly zero times."
Here's where Sarcasmic confuses me for an American, who thinks the American constitution is holy writ.
It isn't, and even though it's a damn good document that prevented a lot of bullshit before your government decided to just ignore it, and even though the American founding fathers were brilliant men, it's in no way perfect.
For instance the president is now essentially a king with term limits, and your elector system is fucked, and the federal government has too much power over the states, and the judiciary assumes too much power in interpreting law, ad nauseam.
In fact, there's parts of the Westminster system I like better, and I think Swiss democracy is one of the best ways at a local level.
TLDR, your argument has no power over me, Grima.
While democrats 'democracy' pretends to redefine the nation and the endless consequences you just describe pursue.
I usually agree with most of what you say; but seriously? What kind of idiot thinks '[our] democracy' is the better system with literally every curse you point out being a fault of that 'democracy' and violation of the US Constitution.
Prior to the 17th the states could choose how to select Senators and electors by appointment or popular election. The 17th forces the popular vote of Senators but electors can still be appointed by the Legislatures. In fact if all the Republican controlled states appointed their electors Trump would be unbeatable.
In this case if there's the political will to achieve tax simplification, there's the will to achieve tax reductions, so why the focus on the complexity?
Not to worry. Soon the climate doomsayers will ban carbon dioxide in all beverages, and bourbon and branch water will become the most popular drink.
The best reform would be to end coercive taxation.
Non-coercive taxation would be an oxymoron.
...or put into today's wealth-distribution blunt terminology
Armed-Theft =/= Charity (the oxymoron of equating the two).