Is Javier Milei Making Argentina Great Again?
The new Argentine president is popular with American libertarians, but his record at home looks increasingly populist and authoritarian.
In January, Argentine President Javier Milei went to Davos, Switzerland, to lecture the rich and powerful about the miracles of capitalism. During his speech at the World Economic Forum, Milei explained to his audience that entrepreneurs are heroes, socialism leads to corruption, and private property is the key to prosperity.
In his address, he referenced Israel Kirzner, an Austrian-school economist and disciple of Ludwig von Mises, who is far outside the intellectual mainstream. He even named his cloned dogs after iconic free market economists Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, and Robert Lucas Jr. Many libertarians have been thrilled to hear their ideas articulated so eloquently by the leader of South America's second-largest nation, sparking widespread enthusiasm.
I'm less enthusiastic. Born and raised in Argentina, I joined the liberty movement at 17. I delved into the writings of Friedrich Hayek, Ayn Rand, and Mises and marveled at how their insights accurately described my experience living under the big government of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who was president for most of my adolescence. This led me to devote my career to advocating for the ideas of liberty because I believe they're the best path to prosperity and human flourishing.
To me, Javier Milei poses a threat both to Argentina and to the global liberty movement. I see him as a self-obsessed populist with a savior complex who gratifies libertarians by echoing their ideas. Yet his actions contradict his words: He raises taxes, escalates the drug war, restricts social freedoms, threatens his political opponents, and appoints political hacks from previous corrupt administrations to positions of power.
Milei, known for touting anti-drug policies, appointed Patricia Bullrich as his security minister, a role she previously served under former President Mauricio Macri. Bullrich recently praised El Salvador President Nayib Bukele for his tactics in reducing gang-related crimes, saying she wanted to imitate his measures in Argentina. While Bukele's policies have significantly reduced El Salvador's crime rate, they have also resulted in the arrest of approximately 1 percent of the population, including numerous instances of wrongful arrests and also destroying the rule of law. This heavy-handed strategy in El Salvador has led to a widespread erosion of basic constitutional freedoms.
Bullrich regularly shares updates on social media of drug raids, including videos of herself incinerating seized marijuana. "We are cornering drugs and drug trafficking, " Milei said recently. "We won't concede even a millimeter."
Some argue that fixing Argentina's economy is what really matters in a country facing nearly 300 percent annual inflation. But crime and insecurity also hinder Argentina's economic progress. Violent family-run narco gangs dominate the drug trade, especially in cities like Rosario, where the homicide rate nearly doubled from 2010 to 2020. While the president's anti-drug campaigns make for some attention-grabbing social media posts, they only make the drug trade more violent and deadly.
Milton Friedman famously helped end the U.S. military draft. But Milei's minister of defense, Luis Petri, doesn't share the Nobel laureate's dim view of compulsory military service. Petri said in a recent interview that Milei's administration was "considering" reinstating the draft. Vice President Victoria Villarruel echoed this sentiment, suggesting that the absence of compulsory military service is "making later generations of men (and women) crybabies."
Milei's worldview is infused with mysticism and messianic symbolism. He refers to himself as an "alpha lion," often starting his speeches by saying, "Hello everyone, I am the lion." He compares himself to Napoleon Bonaparte. A self-aggrandizing ruler who boasts of his capacity to fix society if granted the necessary power to override procedural and legislative constraints should trigger some authoritarian alarms.
Milei dubbed the "troll president," craves adoration in ways reminiscent of Latin America's infamous leftwing autocrats, such as Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez. He surrounds himself with sycophants and loyal supporters, including personalities such as influencer and writer Agustín Laje and other high-profile influencers and paid trolls. This entourage helps Milei mock his enemies, refine his personal brand, and galvanize support among libertarians in the U.S. Milei's circle of followers reminds me of "La Cámpora," a youth group that championed Kirchnerism's political aims. But Milei's bullies are more radical and more violent.
Milei is a publicity genius, and like Bukele and Chávez, he's obsessed with his image. He likes over a thousand tweets a day (mostly from his adoring followers), retweeting accolades and insults about his "enemies." He loves outrage. On one occasion, Milei once said that "the State is like a pedophile in a kindergarten with children chained up and covered in Vaseline."
Both former President Donald Trump and Milei are known for their tendency to appeal to emotions and cast societal divides in terms of "the people" vs. "the elites" or "us" vs. "them." This approach, known as populism, undermines institutions and amplifies the power of the state in ways that should be alarming, regardless of whether it comes from the political left or right. In The Road to Serfdom, Hayek wrote, "the contrasts between the 'we' and the 'they,' the common fight against those outside the group, seems to be an essential ingredient in any creed which will solidly knit together a group for common action." Populism works as a pendulum, suggesting that Milei's actions could provoke a counteraction from the opposite side of the spectrum once his term concludes.
Milei has turned on former allies who question his authority. Ricardo López Murphy, a respected figure within classical liberal circles and former mentor to Milei, declined to support Milei in the primaries over concerns about his populist tendencies. Last month, he criticized Murphy, labeling him "a scumbag" and a "traitor to the ideas [of freedom]." López Murphy responded, "The Milei experience has nothing to do with [classical] liberals."
Although Milei enjoys broad support among American libertarians, several Argentine classical liberals perceive him as a continuation of the country's previous administrations. Economist Roberto Cachanosky compared Milei's approach to Kirchnerism. "I say this because I know him personally," Cachanosky said. "He doesn't tolerate an opinion different from his own."
Economist Diego Giacomini, who co-authored four books with Milei, has become one of his most vocal critics. He describes Milei as a conservative populist "stand[ing] in opposition to the Austrian school [of economics], the most liberal school of thought of all, to which I belong and to which Javier Milei once belonged."
After a dispute between the province of Chubut and the National Government, Milei tweeted the AI-generated image depicting Gov. Ignacio Torres with Down syndrome. The incident was reminiscent of when Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter at a campaign rally. Milei has said he's "naturally aligned with Donald Trump." When Milei met Trump at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in February, he greeted him with a bear hug. Milei promised to "Make Argentina Great Again," and in a video, he told Trump, "You were a great president, and I hope you will be again."
Milei has a politician's knack for adopting positions that will attract a broader support base. During a visit to Israel, he identified himself as Jewish. Yet when he went to the Vatican to meet with the pope, he said he was a "Catholic, Evangelical, and also practices a bit of Judaism." This came after previous statements where Milei described the pope as the "person who represents evil on earth and occupies the throne of God."
Milei embodied a common trait among Latin American politicians: a tendency towards nepotism, entrusting state resources and government positions to unelected individuals based on family connections. Milei appointed his sister Karina as general secretary of the presidency, effectively making her his top adviser. He calls her "the boss." The practice echoes throughout the region: Nicaraguan dictator Daniel Ortega famously referred to his wife as the "co-president of the Republic," while Bukele's brothers serve as his principal advisors in El Salvador. Fidel Castro's successor as Cuba's dictator was his brother Raúl, who had been the most senior member of his administration.
Milei has compared his sister to Moses, characterizing himself as a conduit for her vision. "Moses was a great leader but wasn't good at spreading the word. So, God sent Aaron to spread the word. 'Kari' is Moses, and I am the one who spreads the word. I am just a preacher." Milei's slogan is "The forces of heaven," suggesting he may have lost sight of the importance of maintaining a distance between church and state.
Nepotism extends beyond Milei himself, permeating his party. Martín Menem, president of the Lower House of Representatives and member of Milei's party, recently appointed his 23-year-old nephew as an advisor. Milei's spokesperson, Manuel Adorni, hired his brother as an advisor at the Ministry of Defense. Additionally, Vilma Facunda Bedia, an evangelical pastor and senator from Milei's party, recently employed eleven family members, including her three sons, her daughter-in-law, her brother, and her sister-in-law, as political advisors.
Milei recently nominated Judge Ariel Lijo to the Supreme Court, overlooking his role in encouraging Argentina's culture of leniency towards corrupt politicians. Lijo has a history of dismissing high-profile cases, including dropping corruption charges against former Vice President Amado Boudou and clearing money laundering charges against former President Cristina Kirchner. He also dismissed charges against a former intelligence chief implicated in transferring a suitcase full of cash to the Venezuelan regime and dismissed charges in a corruption case surrounding the state-owned energy company YPF.
Héctor M. Guyot, a journalist for La Nación, said that Lijo faces significant criticism from both legal and journalistic fronts for his questionable management of critical cases. He further accused him of working with a network of "judicial operators" from different political parties, which include his brother Freddy Lijo, Daniel Angelici and Scioli's former employee, and Guillermo Scarcella.
When there aren't enough family members to fill key political positions, cronies are often next in line. The Milei administration is no exception. Daniel Scioli, whom Milei appointed secretary of Tourism, Environment, and Sports, is a "caste" politician and a veteran Peronist. Scioli has a long history in Argentine politics: He served as vice president under Néstor Kirchner, a prominent figure in left-wing populism and an ally of Chávez; ran for president alongside Cristina Kirchner against Mauricio Macri; and served as minister of production under former President Alberto Fernández.
Milei's Interior Minister Guillermo Francos was, until recently, executive director for Argentina at the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), a role he was appointed to by former leftist President Fernández. Between 2000 and 2007, Francos served as the president of Aeropuertos Argentina 2000, the company owned by long-time businessman Eduardo Eurnekian, which has a state-granted monopoly over airport concessions throughout Argentina. Milei also worked for Aeropuertos Argentina in 2000 until three years ago when he had to resign to take office as a congressman.
Julián Andrés Obaid was recently appointed chairman of the Transport Security Bureau, a position he held under Fernández. According to a report from Clarín, Milei has appointed over forty Peronists to important government positions thus far.
On gender issues, Milei aligns with cultural conservatism and right-wing ideas. When referring to his sister Karina, he uses the male pronoun "he, the boss" as a way of signaling her dominant role. He has banned gender-inclusive language in the government, including in all official documents. His administration also prohibited using non-binary uniforms for police and military officers, outlawed tattoos and painted nails, and mandated strict uniform codes—female officers are required to wear skirts unless they are pregnant, while male officers are forbidden from having beards. Yet despite his conservative measures, Milei's government allocated 827 million pesos (almost $1 million) for hormone treatment supplies for children, adolescents, and trans adults.
Milei is a pro-lifer, asserting that life begins at conception, and has vowed to outlaw legal abortions in Argentina. "Abortion is murder made worse by the connection between mother and child," he said recently. In line with his views, nominated Manuel García Mansilla, a well-known critic of abortion rights, to the high court. During his speech at CPAC, he equated abortion to socialism, claiming that it stems from radical environmentalist views that population growth destroys the planet. Pro-choice libertarians would argue the debate is about bodily autonomy and personal liberty. Last week, he tweeted, "Abortion is a murder aggravated…by the disproportion of forces. If you are reading this post and you are one of those who positively weigh this type of aberrations, thank your mother for not thinking the same way."
Milei is eccentric in a way that makes for a good copy—which may be entertaining from afar but is genuinely alarming for Argentines. What would Americans think if President Joe Biden claimed his dog was one of his lead advisors? Milei claims to have communicated with his deceased dog, Conan, through a medium. Conan's clones—Murray, Milton, Robert, and Lucas—are still walking the earth and doing so at taxpayer expense, as Milei recently shared a photo of their new state-funded kennel at the official presidential residence in Olivos.
Despite constantly citing economists such as Rothbard, Henry Hazlitt, and Hayek, it's not clear that he has truly absorbed their work. His books, The Way of the Libertarian and Pandenomics, include passages directly copied and pasted from the work of those writers.
The reality is that Milei's economic policies do not align with his rhetoric. But because he is such an effective communicator, most of his fans haven't noticed. The same president who has impressed foreigners by flying on commercial flights as a gesture of his frugality just signed a decree increasing his own salary by 48 percent and then took it back in response to public outcry.
Despite his campaign pledge to introduce no new taxes, after he promised to sever an arm when signing an agreement with Asociación Argentina de Contribuyentes, live on TV, Milei proposed an income tax hike after returning from Davos, and more recently, he expanded the number of Argentines subject to paying it. "They are looking for the private sector to…spit out dollars," Giacomini said of the move.
Despite calling taxes "theft," Milei has increased the PAIS tax, imposing a 35 percent surcharge on foreign currency transactions. The measure, which effectively acts as an import tax, hinders free trade and has been exacerbated by Milei's decision to increase the exchange range. He has also raised taxes on gas and exports, including wheat (12 to 15 percent), corn (12 to 15 percent), beef (9 to 15), and flour (31 to 33 percent).
Milei was elected on a promise of dollarizing the economy, claiming it would be "super easy" to implement. He's now backtracked. And while he has proposed to privatize 41 public companies, he can't proceed without congressional approval. While this initiative could be a positive development in some cases, it's noteworthy that Milei has excluded the energy company YPF and the national bank from his privatization agenda.
He backtracked on a promise to eliminate the official change rate, which empowers the government to set the price of dollars. While Milei's dog Milton might not have encouraged him to support a free-floating currency exchange, the economist Milton Friedman would have advocated for it, highlighting how a fixed exchange rate caused Argentina's numerous currency devaluations. These controls have also contributed to the country's capital flight and broader economic instability.
Currency controls distort the market, reduce competitiveness, discourage foreign investment, foster black market activity, and contribute to inflationary pressures. An alternate option would be for Argentina to embrace bitcoin as legal tender, though that seems unlikely. Recently, the non-profit Bitcoin Argentina criticized Milei for trying to regulate all aspects of crypto asset trading. Milei's government, through the National Stock Commission, also created a state agency to regulate cryptocurrencies in Argentina. Under the new regulation, entities of individuals transacting in bitcoin and other digital assets above 27 million pesos per month are given 42 days to enroll in the Registry of Virtual Asset Service Providers. According to the legislation, those who fail to register "shall refrain from performing in the country any of the activities or operations covered."
While Milei garners media praise for achieving a government surplus, his administration has also authorized the issuance of more public debt, in contrast to his chainsaw-wielding campaign promises. "The chainsaw plan is coming. Tremble, you thieve politicians. You are going to stop stealing. You are going to have to work like honest people. Keep lying to the people, thieves," said Milei during his presidential campaign. Speaking of plagiarism, it seems that the chainsaw was also borrowed, in this case, from U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R–Ky.).
Milei's administration garnered attention in the American media for achieving a balanced budget marked by tax increases and spending cuts. But it matters what you cut. Bureaucrats and rent-seekers—the "political caste" Milei deplores—have been spared from austerity measures. Menem recently approved a 29.5 percent increase in the salaries of congressional state employees.
Milei promised to cut several government ministries and entertained foreign audiences with a video of him yelling "¡afuera!" or "get out!" while pulling down sticky notes with the ministries' names printed on them. Yet his actions amounted to merely renaming them "secretariats." This change has resulted in practically zero impact on spending while consolidating control in fewer hands, with nine large ministries replacing 18 smaller ones.
Milei says correctly that the government is broke, and yet his administration is planning to acquire 24 U.S. F-16 fighter jets from the Danish government for almost $700 million—the largest military expenditure in the nation's history, despite the fact that the country has no foreign adversaries.
Much of the cost-cutting has come from cutting Argentina's elder care entitlement. By February, the minimum pension in Argentina was projected to fall to a purchasing power even lower than during the 2001 economic crisis. Nowadays, a retiree earns roughly 46 dollars per month in a country with nearly 300 percent inflation. Vice President Victoria Villarruel criticized Milei's actions, emphasizing the issue of pensions and condemning the "liquefaction" of pensions: "I do not agree with continuing to equalize everything downwards. After contributing all his life to the pension system, I believe a pensioner should also receive a decent retirement based on the function, the work, and the time contributed. Let's go up instead of going down."
Argentina desperately needs market liberalization to exit its devastating economic crisis, a situation made all the more urgent by an inflation rate that now surpasses Venezuela. But Milei has made too many false promises. His record so far suggests that he's a typical Latin American populist, and I worry that the failed results of his presidency will become a symbol of a right-wing model and could harm the liberty movement's credibility and progress.
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I'd trade you Joe Biden for Javier, and throw in a billion usd.
Pick up on the looter Trumpanzista offering someone else's money!
Someone else’s? That’s money the U.S. government says they have! It represents all of us, that’s what they say. They already spend trillions, what’s to stop them from tacking on just $1 billion more?
You are not a libertarian. If anyone else wants to refute this mentally demented guy's other posts be my guest.
I am Argentine. This article is filled with so many half-truths, lies by omission, misinfo, disinfo, that I lost count. This author is also well known for not liking Milei because he is pro-life. So she does anything to smear him. I would also assume she had some falling out with him at some point so she has some personal vendetta against him.
This article reads as something to be found in the NYT, where the author creates a narrative and using lies of an omission in order to create the narrative they want.
To Argentine libertarians she is just known as a fake, talking about libertarian stuff but is really a leftist.
She sounds like the leftist opposition (pretending Milei is some fascist) combined with the utopian libertarians who nitpick him for not being able to do everything in the 3 months he has been in power. Really, Milei’s focus should be focusing on legalizing drugs right now, and not the economy that was on the border of hyperinflation? This isn’t some libertarian fantasy world, he has to deal with politics as usual.
Shame on Reason for continuing to publish this person.
Reason has been helping leftism make inroads into the liberty movement for years now. As a tool for spreading pro-liberty ideas, the magazine is basically worthless. Throwaway posts in the comments section are routinely better thought out (and funnier) than the site's articles.
I credit them with publishing something against the common view of libertarians. But I am grateful for your points as well!
As a result of both, I am inclined to still view Millei as a generally positive force, and that opinion is more robust for having heard both criticism and defense.
I'll throw in another $9.11 and my best wishes.
"What would Americans think if President Joe Biden claimed his dog was one of his lead advisors?"
If it means SOMEBODY is in charge --- a bit better than I do currently.
As long as his dog does not constantly invent his history...
Hell, I think it would be a huge step in the right direction if Biden's dog were named after a prominent libertarian economist*, instead of being banned from the White House for biting Secret Service agents repeatedly.
*Which is one reason why, I think Milei's remark about his dog being one of his advisors was a bit tongue-in-cheek.
This entourage helps Milei mock his enemies, refine his personal brand, and galvanize support among libertarians in the U.S.
Well known to be the single most influential group in American politics.
I'm really tired of folks bitching about "populism". So he's trying to gather the support of the population? Isn't that what democracy is supposed to be?
The stuff in the second half of the essay sounds way worse. Why not just stick with the nepotism and reappointment of swamp creatures and leave it there? That's all bad enough.
That's not what populism is, and you know it.
Of course that's not what populism is. Populism is nothing more than an insult leftists hurl at non-leftists, much like Fascist, Nazi, and Literally Hitler.
Populism has a clear meaning, and it accurately describes Trump.
So it's no surprise that Trump supporters dismiss anyone using the term as a "leftist," because then they've won the argument by ad hominem.
Man. You've really given into leftist narratives. Any popular candidate can be declared a populist. What you actually want is an institutionalist. A choice of who unelected institutions deem to be worthy.
Any popular candidate can be declared a populist.
But not accurately. Hillary was not a populist despite being popular on vote count. It has a specific meaning - which you don't like because you like right-wing populist candidates and you need to rationalise away the inconsistency.
He’s equating popular with populist? As always I can’t tell if he’s mendacious or moronic.
There’s a difference between being popular (Bernie, Trump) and winning the popular vote (Joe, Hillary).
Bernie and Trump are both populists. Joe and Hillary not so much.
I think that was Jesse’s point: Hillary wasn’t popular with the electorate, thus she wasn’t labeled as populist. Obama and Bernie were popular with the electorate and were/are labeled as such.
Well that’s really dishonest or dumb (with Jesse I can never tell), because it deliberately ignores what populist actually means.
I think you could successfully argue that they were popular because they appealed “to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.”
But maybe that’s just me.
I think of the populist “us v them” argument being intentionally divisive. There is a clear us, and a clear them. We are good, they are evil. We are right, they are wrong. It is inherent in who we are, so once someone is them they are always them. They can’t be redeemed and become one of us. It's not so much that what they believe is wrong or evil, they as people are wrong and evil. I don’t remember getting much of that from Obama or Joe. Definitely from Bernie and Trump. Especially Trump.
I think of the populist “us v them” argument being intentionally divisive.
Lol. This is your retarded definition of populist? And you claim Hillary and Biden aren’t populist? That was their entire fucking campaign platform dumbass.
Hillary deplorable comment. Biden red speech and SOTU.
And you claim others are dumb? Lol.
You just proved my entire point about the term being whatever someone wants it to be and has no objective definition.
I don’t remember getting much of that from Obama or Joe. Definitely from Bernie and Trump. Especially Trump.
Lol. What fucking idiotic bullshit. Obama the entire Romney killing old people. Joe again MAGA cult, red speech, and SOTU.
Bookmarked.
No retard. I'm saying the definition of populist is so nebulous and used as an epiteth that it has no objective meaning. Which is proven by you and shrike not providing one.
Stop being retarded and making inferences to a discussion you claim to have muted.
(Minor philosophical quibble: No words have objective meanings because all words have meanings by convention), but some words have generally accepted meanings, and populism is one such. And the generally accepted meaning is a political approach that appeals to emotions and basic instincts, particularly to a significantly large group of voters, and the emotions and instincts to which it appeals tend to be fear, hatred of the “other”, nationalism, tradition(al entitlement).
If I say that a politician is running on a platform of protecting the country from current external threats, whether economic or military, and playing up those threats well beyond anything objectively justifiable, blaming covert internal forces for the country’s problems and promising to punish those forces, and with a nebulous economic policy that involves returning economic power to locals, that platform would be understood to be populist – and to undermine all that butthurt bullshit about the “populism” tag being laid at the feet of right-wing politicians, would describe Hugo Chavez no less than Donald Trump.
You and sarc keep making the claim but are unable to provide. A populist is someone who has popular appeal and works to gen up that appeal. The opposite is an institutionalist.
Obama rise in the DNC was a mixture of both.
A populist is someone who has popular appeal
Not exactly.
In vernacular, rabble-rouser fits shrieking Maoists, jew-cursing Christian nationalsocialsts and girl-bullying Trumpanzistas alike. Bryanists were dubbed Popocrats by McKinley Republicans. The Populist party rabbled up silver bugs, farmer-laborites and income-tax looters, snagging 9% of the vote in 1892. Their 22 electoral votes frightened the Dems into plunking for socialism.
Except populism is more a style than an ideology, therefore not exclusive to the Left or the Right. Bernie Sanders has a populist style appeal, for instance.
Bernie is the very definition of a populist, as is Trump. I was really hoping Milei wouldn't fall into that trap, but here we are.
Chavez was also a populist. Try again.
Populism is what statists like you want it to be to denigrate people you don't like. Nothing more.
pop·u·lism
noun
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
How does what he said not fit that?
Note this is the only definition of populism given in this whole discussion, yet sarc and shrike give people shit for not using some other, unknown definition.
The main problem with appealing to the population is the mob is fickle and pretty fucking stupid.
Which is why we need the rule of law, due process, and a limits on government power. This is so basic I feel embarrassed to bring it up. But increasingly self-described libertarians (but actually fringe populists) show overt antagonism towards the idea of limited government, including limitations on the power of the person of the chief executive.
We are not Mussolini's Italy, but the alt-fringe posting in HnR want us to be.
But increasingly self-described libertarians (but actually fringe populists) show overt antagonism towards the idea of limited government, including limitations on the power of the person of the chief executive.
How can Trump and his followers get revenge on Democrats for their abuses of power without abusing power? What’s the point of limited government if it means rolling over and being a pussy? No, power must be abused to make things fair. The meaner and harsher the abuse, the fairer it will be. As long as the right team is doing it, nothing can go wrong.
Besides, Democrats did it first so that makes it ok.
It doesn’t make it ok (something most people aren’t saying), it’s just understandable in the context of politics.
Of course, worrying about what the Republicans might do, when the Democrats are already engaged in such seems a bit…shortsighted.
It doesn’t make it ok (something most people aren’t saying)
Nobody is saying those exact words, but when their defense is "What about them? Not fair!" they may as well.
What about those who say, "what about them? why aren't the laws being applied equally?"
That's called admitting guilt. A total dumbass move.
Do you think this is a rational defense of what is actually occurring? Sometimes mutually assured destruction stops the one sided destruction. But you dont want that to actually stop, you enjoy one sided corruption.
Saying there should be equality under law is admitting guilt? Fucking retard.
How can sarc defend the lefts political abuses while proclaiming it is his future enemies that might do the same things.
The LP was formed to replace the Gee Ooh Pee. So naturally GOP policy is to spy, infiltrate, corrupt and take over--using Austrian christian naziism as camouflage.
"Populist" is used as a scare word among libertarian movement elites because of a paper written by Maddox and Lilie 45 years ago. They tried to trace how in the USA ideology had shaken out to fill the Nolan chart over the country's history. Cato published a fairly interesting version of their analysis, which traced the evolution from the nation's founding of a liberal consensus into 4 poles. Since Maddox and Lilie couldn't find any American mass-following equivalent to European authoritarianism, they labeled the authoritarian quadrant as "populist" because of its evolutionary connections to the late 19th Century movement that gave rise to the People's Party among other manifestations.
Aha! Immediately our "leaders" in the libertarian movement (but notably not David Nolan, who then came to advocate libertarian populism) seized on this and began to equivocate other and more general or specific meanings of "populist" to mean "anti-liberty". By the middle 1990s that tendency in jargon had faded, but apparently our would-be leaders think it still has power.
Javy knows that the primary role of government is public safety,
and upping the Drug War is the way he is starting.He may soon learn that legalizing drugs is a better idea.
Both former President Donald Trump and Milei are known for their tendency to appeal to emotions and cast societal divides in terms of "the people" vs. "the elites" or "us" vs. "them." This approach, known as populism, undermines institutions and amplifies the power of the state in ways that should be alarming, regardless of whether it comes from the political left or right.
Well put.
Not shocked you missed the irony of:
undermines institutions and amplifies the power of the state
The very institutions who have taken away our rights and attempt to remove power from the people. Given your history of supporting institutions and demanding their respect.
Youre not a libertarian. Youre essentially putting institutions over people.
Libertarianism is not opposed to institutions per se. Institutions are a necessary and unavoidable ingredient of a free society.
Good thing presidents like Biden and Obama never post things in terms of "us" vs. "them."
THE RED HERRING DID IT!
I’m pretty sure pointing out the inherent bias in such a statement is not a red herring.
Also, aren’t a decent amount of those institutions just tentacles of the state?
(In years past that would have summoned SugarFree and resulted in some kind of tentacle porn story.)
Not all “us v them” statements are populist, just as not all tariffs are protectionist.
Such false equivocations are red herrings in my mind because they're an irrelevant distraction.
It's a deliberately dishonest rhetorical technique. Jesse's perfected it, like when he demands a list of presidents who had no tariffs in the context of protectionism and trade wars. The point is to change the subject from their team to "Look at the red herring!"
Sarc continues to define words so his judgment validates or invalidates its usage so he can claim he isnt a raging hypocrite.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Thank you
Yep.
In his address, he referenced Israel Kirzner, an Austrian-school economist and disciple of Ludwig von Mises, who is far outside the intellectual mainstream.
Those evil Mises Caucus "libertarians. "
To me, Javier Milei poses a threat both to Argentina and to the global liberty movement. I see him as a self-obsessed populist with a savior complex who gratifies libertarians by echoing their ideas.
And this is where I stopped. Use of the dumb populist word. A return of power to the people instead of elite oligarchs.
People who rant about populism tend to be think tank disciples who believe falsely in rule by the “elite.”
They will demand only their form of libertarianism as discussed at group meetings declaring any other libertarians as not perfect and therefore just as bad as the statists who came before like The Peron party.
This is an unserious person who laments the lack of perfection while attacking the good, perfections enemy.
Later in the essay the author does actually start mentioning things which are actually bad. Among them rehiring statists from the former Peron party. But yes, I had the same thought regarding the "populism" slur.
Here’s my problem with the institutionalism form of libertarianism we see in people like this author.
Deferenxe to WPATH pushing false science to transition kids. Add in APA and other medical groups that represent less than a third of doctors to promote what is and isn’t allowed.
Bar associations now being used to gate keep one political party as lawyers on threat if removing licenses from the opposition.
Impeachment of Trump because he had different views that the institutional State Department (Vindman testimony)
Censorship pushed by multiple institutions like CISA and even corporate media. Remember CNN saying only they could look at Hunters laptop?
IC pushing misinformation and attacks against elected officials.
CDC pushing false guidance easily countered by individuals.
The Atlantic Council think tank pushing NATO expansion and guiding government decisions in Europe.
Institutions are not elected by individuals. They are elevated and controlled through self selection. Attempting garner for themselves quasi government powers and status without any representation to the people.
Libertarians who decry institutionalism just want to use non accountable entities to drive their own divination for what is best. And to remove power of accountability to the people decry populism.
Unfortunately rehiring statists from a long-ruling party or faction is the default situation reformers are often stuck with. You want to throw out the rascals, but there just aren’t that many competent non-rascals available yet. So I can’t give bad marks for that. Besides, a lot of the rascals were only following orders, and they can just as easily follow good orders as bad ones.
There are other conditions that form such a pervasive background that going with that flow is expected, and deviating from it even a little is super-duper praiseworthy. An example would be narcotics control, which is a century-long globally accepted norm. Another would be retirement intergeneration transfer payments like Social Security.
“Besides, a lot of the rascals were only following orders, and they can just as easily follow good orders as bad ones.”
This. One of my biggest criticisms of Trump was that he made some poor decisions on this topic, but unless you have a good knowledge of who the particular people in question in Argentina actually are, you shouldn’t criticize Milei for this.
"Populist"is no slur is should be laudatory,Trump is tarred with the same appellation.
Looking at what the mainstream economists have done to my wallet, how is being far outside the mainstream a bad thing?
They aren’t Real Libertarians.
(If there’s one thing we’re good at, it’s determining nobody else is a real libertarian.)
Kirzner isn't part of the Mises Caucus. I doubt he would much like it in its present form.
The author's description of him here is bizarre, though. He might not be well-known by "the intellectual mainstream," but he's still a well-known and respected economist within his specialty, which was entrepreneurial theory. He's been retired for years though and is like a million years old; I don't think he does anything public-facing anymore.
He was also a rabbi.
Criticism of populism is criticism of Trump, because Trump is a populist. And criticism of Trump can only be explained by TDS. Therefore anyone who criticizes populism can be dismissed a leftist with TDS.
QED motherfuckers!
Doubles down on his retardation.
QED means which was to demonstrated but you demonstrated nothing. that extended syllogism could have false premises and still have a true conclusion. What is more populist than the way Libertarianism is treated on here. Get an ex-Catholic who's read Hayek and Mises and give them a job and -voila-- a Libertarian is born 🙂
I have yet to meet one LIbertarian in my life who in any way supported Freedom of Religion, and that is the test for me.
My post was meant as a mockery of Trump’s Deranged Supporters and their favorite ad hominem.
I have yet to meet one LIbertarian in my life who in any way supported Freedom of Religion, and that is the test for me.
Ok…?
By the way, libertarian is a political philosophy, while Libertarian is a political party.
Your post was retardation to continue your admiration for institutions.
I would have lauded your comment but you had to spoil it with the childish MF at the end.
I have yet to meet one LIbertarian in my life who in any way supported Freedom of Religion, and that is the test for me.
Every Libertarian I've ever met supports FoR. They tend to push back on religion when the zealots demand criminalizing "sin".
That's the line for me.
I'm wondering what he means by FoR. It means different things to different people.
Freedom of Religion – FoR
If you mean Freedom of Religion means different things to different people, what does that matter as long as they are free to express it. I don't think the statement of Freedom means we all have to agree on the expression. I think the Muslim treatment of women because of their religious beliefs is archaic, but they are free to do it and the women are free to be a part of the treatment as they choose.
Some people see FoR as FfR.
I’m wondering what he means by FoR
Based on the last couple days, I think he means we should all follow Catholic moral theology. He used this exact term yesterday.
> I have yet to meet one LIbertarian in my life who in any way supported Freedom of Religion, and that is the test for me.
You haven't met many LIbertarians then.
That's odd. In my experience it's pretty much only libertarians who are serious about freedom of religion.
Freedom of religion is one of those concepts that no longer makes sense in societies where freedom is already widespread. It was a thing for centuries where our forebears came from and at the founding of the USA where there had been history of persecution of followers of particular religions. In societies where the concept still makes sense today because of that, it doesn't really help; I mean, if you're in an Islamic society, for instance, where other religions are repressed, don't they know it and isn't it quite deliberate that way?
But in, say, the USA now, where it's not illegal to be Catholic, for instance, "freedom of religion" is a vague enough thing that it actually muddies the water to bring it up. Freedoms are better understood much more specifically than that, and usually without even reference to religion. Like the freedom to gather during a pandemic — that's not really a religious issue, is it, even if it happens to be in a church?
good post
And that's kind of what I mean by "serious about freedom of religion". Freedom of religion requires a great deal of general freedom. And I don't think special exceptions carved out for specific religious practices are a good way to protect that freedom. Any law or rule that could prevent anyone from freely exercising their religion (provided the exercise doesn't impose on the rights of others) should not apply to anyone. Petitioning a court for your rights is not how freedom is supposed to work.
Freedom of religion is freedom of thought.
And a good bit of freedom to act (within the limits of non-aggression).
No, actually sarcasmic's correct in this at least insofar as Reason. This article does reveal a unity in the attacks here on Trump and Milei. "TDS" at HyR is really just a local name for concern trolling libertarians.
That's not what I meant.
Poor sarc.
Maybe I will use Antonella's post in class to illustrate the rhetorical dishonesty of promoting your views by hiding behind someone else's views. Surely, she is not indifferent to abortion , yet you see nothing but a thinly-disguised BS about autonomy and how wrong Milei is
Millions of abortions and not one is just senseless killing of a baby on false pretexts ???
Maybe the difference is --- and I won't hide my view that surely this is the difference -- that now someone is in power and dealing with lives and looming horrors -- and not just spouting ideology.
Of course, the obligatory digs against Mister Trump ... eye roll
Milei may not be the ideal libertarian, but is life improving for the Argentinians? It may take some time me, but probably yes.
Well, it is South America. There are some baselines that you're not going to dip below.
Author "it's bad that milley doesn't tolerate others opinions"
Also author "I grew up influenced by good liberty minded people like Ayn rand"
Is there a second lesser known Ayn rand that I never read before? Because the one I know hated other people's viewpoints
Right? Especially libertarians, who she deemed statist assholes or something because they weren’t autistic Objectivists.
That is partly true. What happened was Murry Rottbutt pestered The Collective with anarco-communism suggestions until he was unwelcome. He then infiltrated the LP along with like-mindless idiots. Rand was invited by Nixon to badmouth "Song of Russia" at HUAC, live mic and all. These two vectors impelled her to declare voting for Hospers rather than Nixon a moral crime(!) I tried to convince Hospers to shun anarco-infiltraitors but he considered them useful idiots with warm bodies. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
The "trump mocks disabled reporter" was another msm lie. Just like "very good people"
I would like to say you can do better reason, but I know they cant
> The new Argentine president is popular with American libertarians, but his record at home looks increasingly populist and authoritarian.
So he's like the Mises Caucus, who call themselves libertarian but look increasingly populist and authoritarian.
Barring someone getting elected and then dissolving the federal government (a technically authoritarian move), ANY political party is going to be at least a little authoritarian, it just comes with the territory.
The vast majority of the populace that identifies as libertarian are going to have different views than the ivory tower think tanks who have tried to claim they are the only ones who really represent the cause of liberty for the last 20-30 years. As is bound to happen when said party elites don’t seem to be gaining any traction in liberty’s direction.
Also, populism isn’t inherently a dirty word and it doesn’t automatically equal authoritarianism, as Roberta discussed up thread.
Precisely. The Alabama Anschluss resembles the Prohibition party that averaged about 2% of the vote yet mostly infiltrated and controlled GOP policy. They demanded an Amendment to enslave women, Viz. 1976 — Prohibition party platform adds plank: We support a Constitutional Amendment to protect the unborn by prohibiting abortion except in those very rare cases where the life of the mother is seriously endangered. THAT smelly fish is now wrapped to palm off as libertarian. Roe was the LP plank copied by the Suprema Corte
Anyone who is in charge is a danger to liberties, and will probably violate some of them. Libertarians should know that. If you think you're going to find someone who climbs to the top of the political ladder and is an angel willing to deal entirely in abstract theories of liberty, you're going to be constantly disappointed.
And yet, someone has to be in charge. The Argentinian government (as with the American) has wrapped its tentacles around so many aspects of life and it's not just going to wither away. To find someone who can campaign on shrinking the government, and then actually shrink it when he is in charge, is a rare thing and a gift.
I can easily believe that Milei does a lot of bad things, and he should be criticized for them. Ultimately it's not about Milei or not Milei, it's about what policies are going to be implemented at the top. It is fair to criticize him for bad policies and even to back someone else against him if that other person seems better on the whole. I don't think there's much point in saying "Milei is bad because Milei is not a perfect (or true) libertarian." Of course he's not. But he has still done a lot of good things. Calling attention to his limitations is good, but saying he's bad for Argentina ignores the alternative.
Translation: My Lai and the Argentine Pope both say to threaten doctors at gunpoint and enslave women as breeder dams. They also want goons with guns to shoot kids for getting high on plant leaves instead of gin and cigarettes. Therefore Argentina's anarco-fascist is good by definition and Republicans should back him if it means breaking every window in Congress and vandalizing all offices. The Army of God sets off a few bombs but they hate some drugs and bully girls, so that makes it okay.
Aww sorry to break this to you, but Javier Milei actually supports legalization of drugs, and Ms. Marty, the writer of this article is against abortion. So whichever side you think you're backing here or think are against, you're most likely wrong.
I haven't read the article yet, but the headline and subhead don't look promising. It poses "populist" as if it were an antonym of "libertarian", a misimpression aided by category labels chosen by Maddox and Lilie 45 years ago that they didn't mean that way, but which Cato seized on.
Let me guess that Milei is criticized as "populist" for appealing to the common people, and "authoritarian" because he plays "dirty" in some way at the "game" of government, using "unfair" methods to achieve his (worthy) policy goals, even though those "unfair" methods hurt nobody except those politically opposed to him and his goals. The whole to-do is to unite criticism of Milei with that of Trump to paint them as icky no matter how libertarian they are. I didn't think they'd get to Milei that soon this way, but here we are if I'm anticipating correctly. Now to actually read the article and hope to be proven wrong.
I could barely stand more than skimming it, 'twas worse than I thought. Straining and twisting to find anything about Milei that could be used to paint him as the opposite of what he is, focusing on Mean Twits or their equivalent. Concern trolling. Decided in advance on some other basis to be anti-Milei, then...this crap.
So now we see the anti-Trump posture is not some anomaly, but the general m.o. around here to try to convince the least informed libertarians that they should really want the opposite of what they think.
All of the substantive assertions in the article are true and documented. I know this because since the anarco-peronista got into office I read the news from Argentina on a daily basis. I also read news of Ecuador, now a dollarized schaissthole run by DEA cronies. One adjective was awkward, but THIEVING politicians would correct that. Like the author's earlier article, this one is accurate and portrays the current situation "as she is."
"authoritarian" is the word they use whenever any limitation or reduction of government occurs. He was "authoritarian" by firing all those government employees!
Ludwig von Mises, who is far outside the intellectual mainstream.
oh no! not far outside the intellectual mainstream? that's wild
This is just newspeak for wrongthink.
>The new Argentine president is popular with American libertarians, but his record at home looks increasingly populist and authoritarian.
'Populist' is what they call you when you give the people what they want - not the elites.
'Authoritarian' is what the Peronista government has been.
Apparently its not enough to be better than your predecessors, you have to be *perfect*.
Imagine pining for the good ol' days of pre-Milei argentina with 90% inflation, DEI commissars running everything and borderline communism. Yeah things are so much worse with Milei
Argentina inflation was 95% during 2022, and 211% during 2023. It will take a while to go down, but Milei's government completely ceased growth of the money supply in the last couple months.
See? Bully and enslave girls. Force them to squeeze out kids or die trying. Hire narcs and goons to rob and shoot the teenagers if they stray from gin and tobacco to the "wrong" plant leaves, and the jackbooted minions of Republican National Socialism will declare them true libertarians and lick the blacking off their boots. Conservative is nazi (https://bit.ly/47hu8Nt)
Seems to me that anyone who is going to be able to make big changes will need to engage in some populism. Which is fine. As many are pointing out, populism is an approach to politics, not an ideology or political philosophy.
If libertarians want to actually get anywhere in politics, we need to accept that they will have to play the game and use the tools available, both to accomplish the changes needed and to remain popular with the electorate.
Translation: Resistance is futile. We're your friends! Heil Hitler.
I swear you used to be more interesting than this.
He did not.
The idea that Milei is anything but a 1000% improvement on anything Argentina has had on offer in more than half a century is a joke. We've been down this road with Ron Paul: if "libertarians" honestly try to argue that an obvious "mainstream" socialist is a better choice than Paul or Milei, than it's pretty clear they're not anything resembling a libertarian. If a "right libertarian" is more objectionable to a "left libertarian" than a "middle of the road socialist..."
Ah. The girl-bullying comedian-impersonator has a new Klan-hood in which to join the anarco-Austrian march.
Act 1. Nick asks Trump about libertarianism. "I like it."
Act 2. Banana Republic christian nationalsocialist elected Trumpanzista
Act 3. Baptism by televangelist slobber and appointment of three girl-bullying christiano-fascistae to the Court. They overturn the 1972 LP plank in Roe.
Act 4. Women throw fat ass in the street, lynch mob attacks and vandalizes Congress to stop electoral vote. Trumpanzista loses, its dupes vandalize Brasília.
Act 5. Argentina elects anarco-Trumpanzee to bully girls and shoot kids for straying from gin and cigarettes; christiano-fascisti rejoice.
Shocker, some random feminist and pro lgbt activist doesn’t like the one president who just shut down the useless ministry of women and diversity which was nothing but a burden on Argentina’s taxpayers money. Also a quick Google search will show that Ms. Marty has supported president Macri back in 2016, in her own words “Argentina was in the right path”, but Macri’s administration didn’t exactly end up well. And Javier Milei surely doesn’t need people like Ms. Marty on his side, quite the opposite!. In Don Quixote words: "Ladran Sancho, señal que cabalgamos". (”They bark, Sancho, we ride")
If you have a single ounce of libertarian blood in your veins you freakin love this guy
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1773001068793782307
I was skeptically reading along, until I encountered "Trump mocked a disabled reporter".
This line identifies an author as simply anti-Trump, and not in pursuit of the truth. I don't know Milei well, but if he's being attacked by people who attack Trump without investigating, I'm sticking with Milei.
Dear Antonella: I see that Milei is going back to the default position of an Argentine politician, and that his economic policy is the tried and true "take the money and run".
The comments that I see here fail to grasp the situation. They would find enlightening a comment that was made about African policians. "they may be masons, or communists, or catholics, or whatever, but what they are is witch doctors. And if they were not, they would not be in power"
What I find troubling is that his vice is an apologist for the murderous military dictatorship, and that those who fought for human rights are now being attacked, either in the official press, or physically.
It does no good that people associate liberariand with kidnappers, torturers, and murderers. What would be next? Libertarian torturers? Libertarians killers?
The sooner libetarians dissasociate themselves from the man, the better.
^. found the fed
Afuera, afuera, afuera. Milei deserves chance to follow through on the larger privatization themes he was elected on in his nations’ time of the unique pivot they must make towards capitalism and free markets. I don’t like the authoritarian or tariff impulses either but in speeches recently these are part of a building blocks to more liberty in the long run. Viva la libertad, carajo!
Reason quickly labeled Milei "libertarian." No surprise from a pseudolibertarian publication.
Time will tell if Javier Milei is willing and able to enact that kinds of changes that Argentina desperately needs.
The libertarian movement has no shortages of opinions as to what is the proper approach to pretty much any issue. Additionally there is a tendency to decry anyone with a differing opinion as not being a libertarian while being oblivious to the reality that the person in the mirror is just as worthy of the same decries.
The economy has too many variables to be effectively and productively managed by a central authority. Believing that single politician is working in a vacuum and can instantly affect change is delusional.
The reality is that there are tons of variables and twisted inter-dependencies and it takes time and compromise. Taking advantage of populism is not necessarily a bad thing, but rather a tool to gain enough power to insulate from opposing ideology. It's difficult to affect meaningful change, when you don't have a seat at the table.
I'm hopeful that Javier Milei is a libertarian leader that helps to correct the nation of Argentina. I don't expect him to be my ideal of perfect, but do hope that he is better than is predecessors.
A better situation even if not perfect is still preferable than a worse situation is.