Murder Rates Are Plummeting. What Should We Make of It?
In data from over 200 cities, homicides are down a little over 19 percent when compared to a similar time frame in 2023.

A few weeks ago, I watched as several people, myself included, stepped on a bit of a digital landmine. The landmine: celebrating declining murder rates.
Homicides spiked in 2020. The trend was real and worrisome. It understandably put many people on edge, particularly in the context of a 24-hour news cycle that favors content that bleeds. But those murderous numbers dropped substantially in 2023 and are, quite thankfully, continuing to retreat significantly. So what should we make of the new data? What are the appropriate caveats? And where are we now in comparison to the Before Times (in this case, before COVID-19)?
First, the big picture: In data from over 200 cities, murder rates are down a little over 19 percent when compared to a similar time frame in 2023. Specifically, New York's homicide rate is down about 18 percent, Washington, D.C.'s has declined 21 percent, Baltimore's has dropped 39 percent, Philadelphia's is down 40 percent, Chicago's has decreased by about 9 percent, Detroit's has fallen about 28 percent, and Cleveland's is down by approximately 33 percent. The list goes on. There are a few outliers—Los Angeles' rate, for instance, has increased by about 6 percent—but overwhelmingly the trend is highly encouraging.
How can we be sure that cities are reporting crime accurately? That concern is a very legitimate one—for certain crimes. Tracking burglaries, for example, is notoriously difficult; the bulk of people simply don't report them. Murders, however, are usually reported to police, which follows basic logic. It is generally pretty difficult to conceal from the government that someone has died. So while it's true that police may not actually solve the crime—law enforcement cleared just over 52 percent of homicides in 2022—they are at least typically aware that it happened.
But aren't murder rates still far above where they were in 2019? It would indeed seem silly to celebrate that homicides are down from super high to, say, very high. Thankfully, that's not the case.
"A murder decline of even half the magnitude suggested by the early 2024 data," writes Jeff Asher, a data analyst and co-founder of AH Datalytics, "would place the US murder rate this year largely on par with or below where it was from 2015 to 2019 prior to the surge in murder in 2020." There are certainly reasons for caution here, chief among them that it is May, not December. The situation could certainly take a turn for the worse. But should the data continue on the current trajectory, then the number of homicides seen in the U.S. will indeed be back to, or under, pre-COVID levels—a concession also recently made by Charles Fain Lehman, a fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute.
So does this mean that crime is no longer an issue? No. The vast, vast majority of violent crime is perpetuated by a small group of repeat offenders, who should be met with proportional consequences for their actions. Every murder is one too many. But it's also helpful to have an accurate understanding of the scope of any problem, including this one.
That may not resonate with most Americans. Polls taken over the last several decades show that a solid majority of U.S. adults—at least 60 percent—consistently believe crime is on the rise, even though it was mostly in decline in the periods when those surveys were recorded. Panicked headlines typically travel farther than benign ones, after all. But that doesn't mean they tell the full story.
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So a few dead campers won't even be noticed.
Just leave a note in the tent that says "gone to join Hamas."
Genius!
A lot of cities (around 29%) no longer report their crime data. So this article’s conclusions are irrelevant
You're a dumb fuck. This article limited its discussion to 200 cities that do report crime data. Sheesh, idiot. Go walk alone at night in Detroit waving around a big roll of $100s.
You’re a brain dead fuck. Many of those cities don't prosecute much of their violent crime.
When your statement has been debunked it is better to admit that you are wrong rather than to attack the debunker.
He didn’t debunk anything. You’re as stupid as he is. Which makes sense, as you’re a Democrat.
According to the article, homicides dropped in New York, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit and Cleveland (other large cities not mentioned were Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas and Austin).
Uh huh. According to the article.
So?
Depends how many other campers knew them, and how big a camping party it was.
Well, I hope it's real. But I have a hard time believing government numbers these days.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/murder-rates-down-new-york-san-francisco-philadelphia-508b6855
If they can make the flu dissappear in 2020 - they can do anything.
Isn’t that special. Every “crime is non existent” (in completely bankrupt cities, I shall add) post shall perfectly coincide with the number of pundits and Hollywood actors claiming that Trump is literally Hitler and inflation is all in your imagination. We have ourselves a home stretch holy trinity
1. Crime is gone
2. Trump is Hitler
3. Inflation is a good thing, suck it up
You left out a few steps on inflation: 1 inflation doesn’t exist.
2 If we can’t convince you it doesn’t exist, it’s the fault of capitalism.
3 If we can’t convince you of that, that means inflation is good.
Agreed. However it's hard to cover up something that so many different agencies at different levels need to be involved in with many having competing interests. The Coroners office wants to keep its funding and a drop in violent crime means less work for them. Could result in layoffs or no new facilities. They'd be inclined to increase, not decrease the numbers.
“However it’s hard to cover up something that so many different agencies at different levels need to be involved in with many having competing interests.”
They do it very often, but in this case all they have to do is lie in the Quarterly Uniform Crime Report, ignore people who point it out, and then quietly revise up last quarter's numbers after the next quarters report.
You don't need to cover up the existence of a dead body, just the cause. Guy gets shoved in front of a subway car? Manner of Death: Accident. Guy shows up with 26 bullet holes in him? Manner of Death: Undetermined. Wife poisoned her husband with fentanyl? Manner of death: natural causes.
If there's enough people with an agenda in a position to fudge the numbers a bit, they will find a way. And if the dead bodies coming in are largely unclaimed indigents, no need to open a homicide case file for your overworked PD. Remember that there's already a homelessness epidemic.
I'm not saying this is necessarily happening, but I'm skeptical of good news in an election year, especially if there's an incumbent Democrat. Remember how inflation was "Transitory" in early 2022?
There's a conspiracy theory for all seasons!
It's not a conspiracy theory to say, "I'm skeptical," and list a few potential avenues for the data to be manipulated. Not accusing the data of being explicitly manipulated, merely noting the possibility and the possible motivations.
A true conspiracy theory believes something based on a lack of evidence, it's the opposite of appropriate skepticism.
Conspiracy theory is now defined as any skepticism or attempt at a narrative different than what the democrats have decided.
During the pandemic:
The Grand County Colorado coroner is disputing the number of COVID-19 deaths the state is reporting for the county.
Brenda Bock told county commissioners on Tuesday that the state is reporting two additional COVID-19 deaths in Grand, which she believes should not be included.
The coroner maintains that only one person in the county has died from COVID-19, while two more people have died with it, for a total of three COVID-related deaths in the county. However, the state is reporting five for Grand.
In disputing the numbers, Bock explained that a couple who died of gunshot wounds late last month IN A MURDER-SUICIDE SHOOTING have been included in the state’s numbers. The state told Bock those deaths are included in the count because the two tested positive for COVID-19 within 30 days before their death.
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ORLANDO, Fla. (CBS12) — A man who died in a motorcycle crash was counted as a COVID-19 death in Florida, according to a new report from FOX 35 Orlando.
According to the report, Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino was asked whether two coronavirus victims in their 20s had any underlying medical conditions that could have potentially made them more susceptible to the virus.
Pino's answer was that one of the two people who was listed as a COVID death actually died in a motorcycle crash. Despite health officials knowing the man died in a motorcycle crash, it is unclear whether or not his death was removed from the overall count in the state.
Dr. Pino tells FOX 35 that one "could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash."
I mean, when a mass shooter is trans, do those victims even really count as deaths?
Are you calling the police liars? You want to defund them?
We need to defund federal law enforcement grants that have strings attached to them that require law enforcement to perform their duties in a manner that supports democrat narratives.
Probably.
These are rookie numbers ! We can do better than this !
Where are these numbers coming from they seem complete opposite of what I seen reported in other news outlets. I i wasn't under a deadline I'd look into it deeper
Remember the news has a direct interest in sensationalizing data and keeping everyone outraged and watching the news for more outrage fuel.
If they told you that things are calming down and you are better of than yesterday ... you would stop watching and ad revenue would plummet.
Also, if you are told crime is dropping, you might be tempted to vote for joe.
Cities like NY no longer report their crime data to the feds. Also, DA’s like Bragg refuse to prosecute much violent crime.
This article is bullshit.
Partially correct. But as usual, your handlers are not giving you the full picture. https://apnews.com/article/fbi-crime-report-violence-property-carjacking-murder-fa7c6e3879d3bf16f93bdfa42683b100#:~:text=Last%20year's%20FBI%20report%20arrived,overhaul%20in%20the%20reporting%20system.
That doesn’t mean anything if you have a far left prosecutor who doesn’t prosecute a good portion of violent crimes.
NYC publishes it's crime data in the Internet. Your comment is bullshit.
Under Bragg, many violent crimes aren’t prosecuted at all. Making your claims utter bullshit.
No surprise there, you fucking Marxist shill.
Like the author said, if it bleeds it leeds. If there are fewer dead bodies then they spend more time on each body.
Okay, but are we down to 2019 levels?
Anyone else notice the murder trend aligns very neatly with the defund/refund the police trends?
Who can afford ammo in this economy?
The jokes write themselves.
Murder rates down since 2023!
Riots down since 2021!
Plots to kidnap Governors still down bigly since 2020!
LOL, Chicago's murder rates still nowhere near as low as they were in the late 1960s.
That was before the War on Drugs picked up some real steam. Our out of control violent crime rates have always been because of the War on Drugs.
That's why the gun control statisticians include 26 year old gang bangers as children when they want to bandy about disturbing statistics about guns killing kids.
There aren't all that many pre teens who get killed by guns. You need the teens and young adults so you get those sweet gang crime stats to boost the numbers.
I hear the inflation rate is down, too.
Vibecession!
Eventually, you run out if people who need killing.
Well, clearly, we just need to import more murderers.
Oh . . .
The Administration is working overtime on that.
I wrote and asked Biden to register as a Kleptocracy Republican. If he goes for it, that'll make the falling figures true. Since Texas has gone back to killing pregnant women, maybe they could export some of those murder rates to average things out?
Don't believe anything from govt/media these days. Not BLS stats on employment, not the Fed on inflation, not the media on how Ukraine is winning, not anything. Whatever the corporte media and govt say..it is the opposite. Crime is out of control..look at downtown San Fran..or any other major woke city..business gone, massive migration south...
Corn Pop needs to go..bail needs to come back...
Huh. I don't believe anything from you because you're a liar and a fool.
Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?
But do believe everything the Orange Messiah and his acolytes tells you...
No, don't do that either, despite your snippy jibe.
The libertarian radio show host Neal Boortz used to say this during every show (and on this website): “Don’t believe anything you read on this web page or, for that matter, anything you hear on The Neal Boortz Show unless it is consistent with what you already know to be true, or unless you have taken the time to research the matter to prove its accuracy to your own satisfaction.”
Still a good rule of thumb to be applied to be applied to this site, all politicians, all media...
I live in New York City. The nightlife is hopping. Macy's flagship store is packed with shoppers. You can't get reservations at most restaurants. Broadway shows sell out.
And our homicide rate is quite low compared to other US cities. Contrary to Defund Police advocates like you, they don't lie about stuff like this.
Sorry to burst your bubble. NOT!
No, it isn’t. NYC is crime ridden. Stop with your lies.
How would you know?
Well, a trend that may be reducing violent crime numbers in urban areas could be fewer things to shoot each other over. Most of the violent gun crime stats have always been drug related. Legalizing, or decriminalizing, weed may just reduce the demand for other drugs enough to reduce business for criminals. They may have returned to living with their mothers and not getting into shoot outs over drug turf and such.
Add in the number of intentional abortions, recreational drug overdoses, and LGBT+-induced suicides. They should really be counted here, because none would have occurred but for the fact that enablers made it possible.
Anyway, what should we make of it?
Make of what exactly?
Panicked headlines typically travel farther than benign ones, after all. But that doesn't mean they tell the full story.
Nor do narrative-driven headlines and empty statistics. Take this one: "murder rates are down a little over 19 percent".
Wow, 19% that sure sounds positive! But, wait - so is that from like, 100 murders to 81 murders, or from 100,000 to 81,000? Because if we've got the murder rate down to less than a hundred, great! But if 81,000 people are still being murdered annually... um... jeez.
There's a reason politicojournalists point to a flattering percentage instead of an unflattering total. (KJP, who we must always be reminded is a black gay female immigrant, loves doing this to carry water while she helps engage in intentional elder abuse.) That way they can be intentionally misleading without overtly lying.
Let's head to Chicago, which can always be relied upon to be filled with Murdery McMurderson's living in Murderville. In Chicago, the number of murders dropped 13% from 2022 to 2023, falling from 709 to 617. Even more flattering than Billy's number!
But, oof, that's still 600+ murder victims in Murder City.
"Come to Chicago, we only had 600 murders this year instead of 700, so we're pretty pleased with ourselves. Muuuuch safer!"
Isn't that what we should make of it? Rather than this distorted narrative-driven take on it that 600 annual murders in a single city is... what, praiseworthy? Because it's not 700 instead?
So one out of 4,442 people in Chicago gets murdered this year and the vast majority are drug dealers or gang members. And you're concerned about this why?
Go back and re-read. You missed the point I made completely.
(Hint: it wasn't about murders.)
Your posts are too long and way too dull. You need a cliff noted version.
It's of little surprise that you need things dumbed down for you. You're probably one of those stereotypical lowfo "headline only, then straight to the comments" types too, huh.
Looks like drug dealers or gang members aren’t people anymore.
Only Party members in good standing count.
Adores Trump is saying 600 murders would be praiseworthy if Grabber Of Pussy could somehow claim credit for it. Observe that neither this nor any other member of the shrewdness of Trumpanzees is eager to talk about how girl-bullying ku-klux Texas is setting a manly example for cowardly initiation of deadly force against unarmed women.
Not sure who you're replying to, because I am not a Trump supporter - nor does he have anything to do with this subject.
Is that what people mean when they say you have TDS? Like, you're always going to try and twist everything into your obsession with the guy?
New York City also has one of the lowest suicide rates in the US.
So, we're not celebrating murder being down from normal recent rates. We're supposed to be celebrating it being down from a recent anomalous peak.
That doesn't imply that anything happened to lower the rate. Rather, it suggests something special was going on in 2020 to RAISE it, and that something stopped.
So, what's not happening now, that was happening then? Maybe, I don't know, massive urban riots? You don't suppose massive urban riots could have some connection to violent crime, do you?
Kinda like when the White House triumphantly declares, "The gas prices are down from $4.00/g to $3.50/g!"
Yea, um...
My first question is: what are the attempted murder and assault rates like?
A decrease in murders might simply be a result of medical science saving people. Since the victim didn't die, there should be attempted murder or felony assault or assault with a deadly weapon charges.
And indeed, a lot of hospitals were reserving service for an expected surge of Covid victims, and deferring elective procedures like heart surgery and cancer treatment, back in 2020. Ceasing to do that might have boosted survival rates, transforming a lot of murders back into attempted murder or assault.
Are the drops in these numbers like Biden's claims to have cut the deficit?
I mean, sure, the year-over-year number may be smaller, but it's still way above 2019 numbers.
Facts are political, and this "fact" does not support the right-wing narrative. Therefore it is a lie.
You’re a worthless drunken shill.
What does being drunk have to do with anything.
Maybe this is the result of rounding up and jailing a bunch of violent, treasonous crybaby vandals as an example? Perhaps American states legalizing women's clinics and not shooting kids over plant leaves have skewed the numbers. What do the charts say about murder rates in the Islamic State of Texas?
Murder Rates Are Plummeting. What Should We Make of It?
Gee I wonder, what could it possibly be?
The Floyd riots and "defund the police" movement were such a disaster and led to such a rise in crime that even the deepest blue city mayors had to furiously backpedal and starting arresting people and supporting police again. It's not rocket science.
How about compared to trends over the past decade in other countries? Maybe this is a worldwide trend.
Evidently, Binion hasn't been to Chicago lately.
Does a 19% drop matter if the remainder is still 10,000 murders every year? What I make of it 81% left is a long way to go. Especially when that drop doesnt last.
Reason sees no commonality between "murder rates are plummeting" and "studies use made up numbers" stories running concurrently. Nothing to see here folks, just nod your head and move along.
Perhaps a good number of gangbangers who needed killing got killed by their rivals in 2023 and there's a temporary lull. I wonder if someone in the gambling world offers bets on the year-end murder rate? If you time it right you could make a killing!
Shot with a bullet - covid related death
Boy, don't tell those Boeing Whistleblowers that murders are down
One though about this trend might be that since the country has been on a gun purchasing binge for several years, you might be tempting to think that more guns equal less murders. Of course that's heresy to all the hand wringers.
More likely, the surge of murders in 2020 and high rates for a couple more years were tied to the high levels of social anxiety and economic disruption caused by Covid19. People get more desperate when they are disrupted by forces beyond their control and they are being told they must change their way of living by people in distant government headquarters.