SCOTUS Ponders Whether the Biden Administration Coerced Social Media Platforms To Censor Speech
Several justices seemed concerned that an injunction would interfere with constitutionally permissible contacts.

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday considered dueling interpretations of the Biden administration's interactions with social media platforms regarding content it viewed as dangerous to public health, democracy, or national security. During oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, Louisiana Solicitor General J. Benjamin Aguiñaga said those private contacts, combined with public statements condemning the platforms' failure to suppress "misinformation," amounted to government-directed censorship. U.S. Principal Deputy Solicitor General Brian Fletcher disagreed, saying neither crossed the line "between persuasion and coercion."
If the federal government coerced platforms to censor speech by threatening them with "adverse government action," Fletcher conceded, that would be a clear violation of the First Amendment. But "no threats happened here," he argued, because White House officials merely "use[d] strong language" while encouraging the platforms to suppress speech that offended them and "referred in a general way to legal reforms in response to press questions." Any attempt to enjoin the government from privately pressuring Facebook et al. to crack down on controversial speech or publicly castigating them for failing to do so, he warned, would interfere with constitutionally permissible information sharing, "provision of advice," and federal officials' use of "the bully pulpit" to "call on the platforms to do more."
Aguiñaga argued that federal officials went far beyond providing information that might help the platforms enforce their own content rules. He said officials persistently pressured the platforms to broaden those restrictions and enforce them more aggressively, and the platforms responded by changing their policies and practices. "As the 5th Circuit put it," Aguiñaga said, "the record reveals unrelenting pressure by the government to coerce social media platforms to suppress the speech of millions of Americans." And most of that pressure, he emphasized, was applied behind closed doors, coming to light only as a result of discovery in this case.
"The government badgers the platforms 24/7," Aguiñaga said. "It abuses them with profanity. It warns that the highest levels of the White House are concerned. It ominously says that the White House is considering its options, and it accuses platforms both of playing 'total Calvin Ball' and of 'hiding the ball'—all to get the platforms to censor more speech. Under this onslaught, the platforms routinely cave….Pressuring platforms in back rooms shielded from public view is not using the bully pulpit at all. That's just being a bully."
Fletcher and Aguiñaga both invoked Bantam Books v. Sullivan, a 1963 case in which the Supreme Court held that Rhode Island's Commission to Encourage Morality in Youth violated the First Amendment by pressuring book distributors to drop titles it deemed objectionable. Notably, the commission itself had no enforcement authority, and at least some of the books it flagged did not meet the Supreme Court's test for obscenity, meaning the distributors were not violating any law by selling them. The Court nevertheless concluded that the commission's communications with book distributors, which ostensibly sought their "cooperation" but were "phrased virtually as orders," were unconstitutional because they aimed to suppress disfavored speech and had that predictable result.
Last September, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that some of the Biden administration's communications with social media platforms qualified as coercion under the Bantam Books test. It also held that some of the interactions amounted to "significant encouragement" under the Court's 1982 ruling in Blum v. Yaretsky. Although that case involved due process rather than freedom of speech, the Court held that private decisions can amount to "state action" when the government has "provided such significant encouragement, either overt or covert, that the choice must in law be deemed to be that of the State." That holding jibes with the general principle that the government may not indirectly do something that the Constitution forbids it to do directly.
In this case, the 5th Circuit held that the White House, the FBI, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency were so heavily involved in content moderation decisions that their "advice" qualified as "significant encouragement" under Blum. As the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression put it in a brief asking the Supreme Court to uphold the 5th Circuit's decision, federal officials "became so entangled with social media platform moderation policies that they were able to effectively rewrite the platforms' policies from the inside."
Fletcher urged the justices to focus on the persuasion/coercion distinction supported by Bantam Books rather than the question of "significant encouragement," which he said
"risks turning the platforms and lots of other entities that are interacting with the government into state actors," thereby "restricting their editorial choices under the First Amendment." And on the question of coercion, he said, it was not enough to show that some federal officials were talking about antitrust action, regulation, and increased liability for user-posted content as ways of holding platforms "accountable" at the same time that others were urging the platforms to banish specific speakers, delete particular posts, or suppress certain kinds of content.
Justice Samuel Alito suggested that the Biden administration treated social media platforms differently than it would treat news outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press. "The White House and federal officials are repeatedly saying that Facebook and the federal government should be partners," he said. "'We are on the same team.' Officials are demanding answers. 'I want an answer. I want it right away.' When they're unhappy, they curse them out. There are regular meetings. There is constant pestering of Facebook and some of the other platforms…[Officials] suggest…rules that should be applied and [ask], 'Why don't you tell us everything that you're gonna do so we can help you and we can look it over?' And I thought, 'Wow, I cannot imagine federal officials taking that approach to the print media.'…If you did that to them, what do you think the reaction would be?"
At the same time, Alito said, the federal government had "these big clubs" to encourage compliance, including potential legal reforms that would expand the platforms' civil liability. "So it's treating Facebook and these other platforms like they're subordinates," he said.
The cursing to which Alito alluded, Fletcher noted, came in the context of a complaint about problems with President Joe Biden's Instagram account. "Are you guys fucking serious?" Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty said in an email to Facebook. "I want an answer on what happened here and I want it today." That exchange, Fletcher said, was "not about moderating other people's content."
Fletcher nevertheless conceded that White House officials often adopted a harsh tone when they demanded that platforms suppress messages they viewed as discouraging vaccination against COVID-19. "There's an intensity [to] the back and forth here, and there's an anger that I think is unusual," he said. "But the context for that, I think, is that these platforms were saying publicly, 'We want to help. We think we have a responsibility to give people accurate information and not bad information, and we're doing everything we can to meet that goal.' That's where this language of partnership comes from. It's not just from the White House; it's these platforms, which are powerful, sophisticated entities, saying, 'We're doing the best we can.'…The anger is when the officials think that the platforms are not being transparent about the scope of the problem or aren't giving information that's available."
Justice Clarence Thomas, who joined Alito and Justice Neil Gorsuch in dissenting when the Court stayed the 5th Circuit's preliminary injunction in October, suggested that even amicable cooperation between the government and social media platforms could run afoul of the First Amendment. He asked Fletcher whether the government could "censor someone" by "agreeing with the platforms, as opposed to coercing the platforms." Suppose the platforms agreed that "we're on the same team" and "work[ed] together" with the government "to make sure that this misinformation doesn't gain sort of any following," he said. "The government can't censor by coordinating with private parties to exclude others' speech?"
Gorsuch likewise made a few points that might support a ruling against the government. He said suppression of a given plaintiff's speech could be deemed "traceable" to the government's conduct if the latter was "a motivating factor" in that particular moderation decision, even if it was not "a proximate cause." And he suggested that "a threat or an inducement with respect to antitrust actions" or protection from civil liability for users' posts, both of which could be relevant here, might "qualify as coercion." Likewise "an accusation by a government official that unless you change your policies, you're responsible for killing people"—a description that fits what Biden said about Facebook and other platforms.
While Fletcher focused on coercion and defined it narrowly, Aguiñaga argued that any contact in which a public official urges a platform to take down objectionable content carries an implicit threat because of the power that the government wields. If "my dear mother" complains to a platform about a post, he said, "they don't know her from Adam," so "they don't care, but they do care if it's the government."
Aguiñaga drew a distinction between rebutting misinformation and demanding its censorship. "If the government thinks there's false speech out there, the remedy for that is true speech," he said. "Nothing prohibits the government from going to that platform and saying, 'We've seen a lot of false information about election activity and COVID and vaccines.'….Nothing prohibits the government from saying, 'Here's a list of everything we say is true. That is true in our view, and you should amplify our speech. And anytime that false speech arises, you should put our posts right there next to it, saying this is the government's view on this issue.'"
Aguiñaga, who described himself as "a purist on the First Amendment," suggested that would be the right approach even when the government is responding to "factually erroneous information" about actions by U.S. troops (a hypothetical posed by Justice Brett Kavanaugh) or a social media "challenge" involving "teens jumping out of windows at increasing elevations" (as imagined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson). But he noted that suppression of some online speech, especially in the context of national security, would be constitutional if it withstood "strict scrutiny," meaning it was the least restrictive means of serving a compelling government interest.
"If you're concerned with the breadth of our arguments, that's one fail-safe," Aguiñaga said. "No matter how broad the standard [that] the Court adopts, there's always gonna be strict scrutiny at the end of the line to save the government in times where it desperately needs to do the things that you're outlining."
Justice Elena Kagan questioned whether any of the individual plaintiffs who joined Louisiana and Missouri in this lawsuit could prove their speech was suppressed as a result of government pressure rather than independent decisions by social media platforms. "There's just nothing where you can say, 'OK, the government said, take down that communication,'" she told Aguiñaga. "The government is making some broad statements about the kinds of communications it thinks [are] harmful. Facebook has a lot of opinions on its own about various kinds of communications." Based on "standard ideas about traceability and redressability," she said, "I don't see a single item in your briefs that would satisfy our normal tests."
Justice Sonia Sotomayor complained that Aguiñaga's brief was misleading. "You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims," she said. "You attribute things to people who it didn't happen to." In one case, she said, "it was [a plaintiff's] brother that something happened to, not her. I don't know what to make of all this….I'm not sure how we get to prove direct injury in any way."
Aguiñaga apologized. "If any aspect of our brief was not…as forthcoming as it should have been," he said, "I would take full responsibility for that." He cited a couple of examples that he thought "prove direct injury," but Kagan and Sotomayor remained skeptical. And Fletcher argued that the timing of government communications and moderation decisions affecting the plaintiffs does not support an inference that the former resulted in the latter.
Aguiñaga emphasized that the government's intervention resulted in the suppression of speech that otherwise would have been allowed. To illustrate that point, he cited an email from Meta executive Nick Clegg to Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, who had joined Biden in publicly charging Facebook with complicity in the deaths of unvaccinated Americans and urged a "whole-of-society" effort to combat the "urgent threat to public health" posed by "health misinformation," which he said might include "legal and regulatory measures."
After thanking Murthy "for taking the time to meet,'" Clegg said, "I wanted to make sure you saw the steps we took just this past week to adjust policies on what we're removing with respect to misinformation, as well as steps taken to further address the 'disinfo dozen' [users the government has identified as major purveyors of anti-vaccine messages]: we removed 17 additional Pages, Groups, and Instagram accounts tied to the disinfo dozen." Later Clegg told Murthy that Facebook "will shortly be expanding our COVID policies to further reduce the spread of potentially harmful content on our platform." Such exchanges, Aguiñaga said, show that platforms like Facebook were "moving beyond what their own policies require[d] because they felt pressure to take more action and to censor more speech."
In Fletcher's telling, however, federal officials were simply providing information and encouraging voluntary collaboration. Aguiñaga "started by saying that this is a massive attack on free speech," Fletcher said during his rebuttal. "The lower courts called it a coordinated censorship campaign. I want to be clear [that] if those things had happened, they would be reprehensible. It would be a huge problem." But under "a rigorous analysis of the facts and the law," he said, "we don't think that's [what] happened here. We don't think that's supported."
[This post has been updated with comments from Thomas and Gorsuch.]
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
Of ALL OF THE MILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of political prisoners in jail RIGHT NOW, imprisoned by the EVIL Biden-Farter-Fuhrer, for deliberate DISOBEDIENCE of Government Almighty speech-cunt-roll Cum-mads... Can we not at least release a FEW of them?!?!? Ass a good-faith olive branch of PEACE!??!?
PLEASE, all of ye pubic-policy well-informed GENIUSES, suggest a few NAMES and cases for us, for those who should be released, cum-passionately, NOW?!?!?!
"IT'S OKAY TO VIOLATE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IF YOU DON'T IMPRISON OR EXCECUTE THEM WHEN DOING IT"
When I call Shillsy a Nazi I'm not resorting to hyperbole.
"MEAN TWEETS are the SAME ass GENOCIDE!!!!"
-Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer and Her Perfect Armies of Whining Cry-Babies
Umm... lol. When Shillsy accidentally mocks his own team.
PLEASE, all of ye pubic-policy well-informed GENIUSES, suggest a few NAMES and cases for us, for those who should be released, cum-passionately, NOW?!?!?!
Of ALL OF THE MILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of political prisoners in jail RIGHT NOW, imprisoned by the EVIL Biden-Farter-Fuhrer, for deliberate DISOBEDIENCE of Government Almighty speech-cunt-roll Cum-mads…
HAVE SOME MERCY!!!! They could be FREED RIGHT NOW, if ONLY Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer and Her Perfect Armies of Whining Cry-Babies would NAME them!!!
SAY THEIR NAMES, Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer and Your Perfect Armies of Whining Cry-Babies!!!!
Fuck, what happened to your meds? The normal weekday staff should be on duty.
It needs to be put down.
Hey Punk Boogers! HERE is your “fix”! Try shit, you might LIKE shit!!!
https://rentahitman.com/ … If’n ye check ’em out & buy their service, ye will be… A Shitman hiring a hitman!!!
If’n ye won’t help your own pathetic self, even when given a WIDE OPEN invitation, then WHY should ANYONE pity you? Punk Boogers, if your welfare check is too small to cover the hitman… You shitman you… Then take out a GoFundMe page already!!!
Hey Un-Earthly Lizard Person:
All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
Except Mackey. It was fine to imprison him apparently.
You forgot Jesus!!! They KILLED Jesus for Jesus's WRONG moderation of political opinion-posts on Jesus's web site!
All I see is a grey box and I dont want to bother unblocking the idiot. However I have to know. Is that actually what he said without embellishments?
Grey to me too. But he has a long history of making that claim and then still defending prosecutions around 1A like Mackey and use of the FACE act or J6 protests even of journalists.
Essentially:
"Of ALL OF THE MILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of political prisoners in jail RIGHT NOW, imprisoned by the EVIL Biden-Farter-Fuhrer, for deliberate DISOBEDIENCE of Government Almighty speech-cunt-roll Cum-mads…"
It's been a big point of his lately that it's not censorship unless the government imprisons or kills you. His argument is if they haven't done either then it's just a "suggestion" and the government has free speech rights too.
But, of course, Sqrlsy is an insane coprophage as well. So it is a wonder that there’s anyone who hasn’t simply muted it.
He's often funny, occasionally has a moment of clarity, and I never have to spend time checking whether his assertions are facts. I block those who are predictably a waste of time to read, and especially those that endeavor to leave the reader less informed than when he started, but squirrelly doesn't always descend to those levels.
Releasing the political prisoners is a good first step.
Prosecuting the people who locked them up is what really needs to be done.
You can always tell when things hit the nerve on the left, because Squirrels is here to try and distract with his trolling distractions. Don't let him be successful.
If the intention was to suppress speech, which it absolutely was, then it's illegal and shouldn't be allowed. No government agent should be involved in any attempts at censorship, no matter who ultimately does the censoring. Fuck these people looking for "nuance" that allows government to encourage censorship as long as they can claim that they weren't literally holding a gun to anyone's head.
All interactions with a government are done at the point of a gun. Sometimes the gun is in a bag and not visible at all, sometimes the bag is shown to remind the gun exists and oter times the gun comes out. Anyone who thinks a government can have a fully peaceful interaction with no implication of force isn't just a fool. They are a blind, deaf and dumb idiot.
Or they’re liars.
If they.... I mean, when they lie it's either about the force they are planning to use to get the money from taxpayers or they are lying about how much force will be used.
^This. Government=coercion.
Who the fuck is going to censor the government? Fauci and Wallensky were two of the biggest sources of "misinformation" and worse yet, flat out fucking lies during that goat roping exercise.
Little Tony probably jerked off every day with the joy of what he got away with.
Little Tony got away with it, with his millions. He needs
some Lawfare up the gazotchlegal attention that costs him his money.He needs a date with a meat grinder.
Good old General George Washington said it best. Government is force, and like fire it makes a dangerous tool and a deadly master.
Reason use to understand this. But then Postrel left
KMW brought a lot of National Review philosophy with her.
Our favorite new justice kept giving ridiculous hypothetical like a website convincing kids to jump off higher and higher buildings. It seems to be her forte. Figure out a way to let government to do whatever they want through hypothetical.
Also this:
Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
·
Follow
Replying to @JonathanTurley
...Justice Jackson just nudged Fletcher back from his concession that, if there was coercion, there might be a first amendment violation. Jackson suggested that some coercion might be allowed in "a once in a lifetime pandemic." That question is chilling for free speech advocates
Shrike agrees vigorously.
"My problem is your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in the most important times"
Joe Biden’s Supreme Court appointment.
“Leave big government alone!”
It will be a tragedy if she gets gapped after Trump wins re-election.
Shrike
agreesmasturbates vigorously.FTFY.
OK. So now it is on the record that it was a once in a lifetime.
So no more emergency orders?
They didn't mean your lifetime. Think of a fly or some other short lived insect.
A Paul Ryan type it seems...the constitution is a nice thing as is the bill of rights but in "troubleing times" it is ok to deep six it to ensure the public elites stay in control and enrich themselves.
Most leftists are authoritarian bastards at this point. Most of the Federal Govt should be downsized or departments closed...
Of all Bribem's collection of affirmative action Barbie's Jackson is by far the worst. The rest of the morons go away when he quits pretending he's not already dead.
Nuance? At the very least they are looking for a fig leaf for shit they know is illegal. (Remember when Biden went off script about student loan forgiveness, and questioned whether he had the legal authority out loud?)
And they might just be looking to again shift the Overton legal window, aka "precedent".
Holding a checkbook is enough coercion.
I read an article on a significantly left of center site that says the Supreme Court is hearing Conspiracy Theories today. Judging by how accurate the conspiracy theorists have been lately you would think the left would use a new term.
Judging by how accurate the conspiracy theorists
Another reference to Hunter Biden dick pics?
The White House and Biden's brother have categorized the money transfers from Biden family members to Joe Biden, shortly after he left the vice presidency, as “loan repayments.”
.
However, Schwerin, who prepared Joe Biden's taxes, free of charge, told congressional investigators that he never saw any loans to family members, which raise fresh questions about payments from family members to Joe Biden.
Yeap. Dick pics.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/eric-schwerin-had-access-joe-bidens-accounts-and-witnessed-no-loans
Nobody believes your bullshit pedo.
No, to the rest of the shit that was on the laptop, plus your Trump/Russia fabrication, plus your undersea pipeline bombing, plus your J6 setup, plus literally everything else.
^this^
-the dick pics just go towards character impeachment.
a libertarian can agree its Hunters inalienable right to do hookers and blow but until the entirety of US society descends into the moral toilet that he and his progressive friends inhabit , it will still be character impeachment .
Now ask yourself if you think Hunter would hesitate to lie on the witness stand avoid consequences for his or his dad's actions.
Can we get a new one, the next time Hunter's dick is in your mouth?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Try as you might, Hunter is not going to date you, Pluggo.
because White House officials merely "use[d] strong language"
And I thought that mean tweets were cool with wingnuts.
You must be literally retarded.
You don't like mean tweets?
I do.
Is that the new update from NPC central?
Harvey Weinstein's Buttplug has been canned so he basically winging it now.
I like dead pedophiles.
You’re a pedophile……..
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
No he’s a pathological liar.
There’s a reason I say that he’s the dumbest motherfucker to post here.
You Hannity Republicans just hate classic liberals. I only take classic liberal positions. You shill for Trump.
You also hate Penn Jillete and PJ O'Rourke because they aren't Trump Cultists.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Always amusing how only you and sarc ever mention Hannity.
Plugly's like one of those closeted gay conservatives, only with kids and without the closet.
Always amusing that you can be trusted to talk about me.
You’ve never brought up Hannity? Is that what you’re going with?
Gonna lie about this too? Lol.
No joke. I do not like Hannity. Never have. I could not name a single thing he has done in years outside of champion Oz for the PA Senate.
A) Not a Republican, not there’s anything wrong with that.
B) Not a fan of Hanity.
C) You’re about as classically liberal as FDR.
D) Jillette and O’Rourke have some views I disagree with, but on the whole, are just fine.
E) I’ve never shilled for ANY politician, unlike your #defenddemocratsatallcosts ass.
So 0 - 5 for the comment sections dumbest motherfucker.
turd lies; that's all you need to know.
He also posted child porn
From the list I assume it’s sbp2.
My second guess is radicalstaesman
"You Hannity Republicans just hate classic liberals. I only take classic liberal positions. You shill for Trump."
Just because Biden is old does not mean he is a "classic liberal"
"You also hate Penn Jillete and PJ O’Rourke because they aren’t Trump Cultists."
This is based on...?
I mean, we base you being fond of diddling kids based on your history here.
THE meanest of the mean tweets were the mean tweets which THREATENED TO TEAR DOWN SECTION 230 so that BOAF SIDES could pussy-grab the UDDER side!!! And the sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds were SOOOO over-cum by MADLY PASSIONATE DESIRE to PUNISH the udder side, and MAKE THE LIBERALS CRY… That they A-GREED, in spades, to tear down Section 230!!! ‘Cause ya know, WEEEE Special People, Who Art SOOOO Smart… CAN yea verily pussy-grab “the enemy”… And they will NEVER even DARE to think of pussy-grabbing us right back!!!
(So bring ON the pussy-grabbing... Dear Leader AND Spermy Daniels will show us The Way!!! Newest porn campaign videos cumming YOUR way SOON, Maggats!!!)
The fascist supports government coercion of speech. I am shocked. I mean after Soros spent hundreds of millions supporting censorship who knew shrike would defend it?!?
I just said I supported mean tweets, you ignoramus. I don't do PC and you know it. If you want to avoid mean posts don't log on.
You support censorship dumdum. Anything to help democrats. Lol.
He doesn’t even remember what he posts.
When you spend most of your day typing lies on the internet like old Plugly, you're going to start forgetting your own bullshit.
Seems to be a common attribute with the fake, I mean one true, libertarians here.
The problem with not having principles is forgetting what principles you were claiming to have to justify whatever state over reach you support.
No you’re a fascist.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I suspect that most of the media platforms (even newspapers) would like to censor their own users when they fail to follow the Party Line on an issue. Effectively, they *needed* covert government demands to censor, so that they could avoid the consequences of violating Section 230, which gives them legal protection *only* if they are not doing their own editorializing.
In essence, the government violation of the First Amendment was in place long before the government decided to *force* media to take their side on public issues, which the media were happy to do when the government was on their side.
Social media said:
'We want to help. We think we have a responsibility to give people accurate information and not bad information, and we're doing everything we can to meet that goal.' That's where this language of partnership comes from. It's not just from the White House; it's these platforms, which are powerful, sophisticated entities
Case closed.
'Citizens United' gives any corporation the right to engage in political speech/campaigns for any cause.
Conservative justices hoisted by their own petard.
(Citizens United was rightly decided)
PrIvAtE cOmPaNiEs!
When did they say that? Before or after the threats began?
Answer: After. Case unclosed.
I am glad to see you finally concede that Citizens United was rightly decided but it’s only relevant to voluntary speech. It does not apply to speech compelled – or even “encouraged” – by the government.
I've always supported 'Citizens United' as an open society proponent.
Time for a deep dive into the archives to see if that is even remotely true.
Buttplug's been a vocal support of ‘Citizens United’ here since the afternoon of March 18th, 2024.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
(moved)
As Alito pointed out, the lower courts found they coerced SM and the Biden DoJ briefs didn't even contest the fact.
'"The government badgers the platforms 24/7," Aguiñaga said. "It abuses them with profanity. It warns that the highest levels of the White House are concerned. It ominously says that the White House is considering its options, and it accuses platforms both of playing 'total Calvin Ball' and of 'hiding the ball'—all to get the platforms to censor more speech. Under this onslaught, the platforms routinely cave….Pressuring platforms in back rooms shielded from public view is not using the bully pulpit at all. That's just being a bully."'
OMGA (Oh My Government Almighty), that sounds like the SEVEREST "Mean Tweets" that I have EVER heard of!!!! RELEASE ALL of the prisoners RIGHT NOW, I say!!!!
'SCOTUS Ponders Whether the Biden Administration Coerced Social Media Platforms To Censor Speech'
If they decide yes, will they then have to ponder if government censorship is a good thing? Cuz the Biden Administration sure says it is.
Set FREE all of the Biden Administration's prisoners RIGHT NOW!!! ALL of those who did NOT "properly" moderate the political posts on THEIR web sites, who were imprisoned or otherwise punished by Biden Administration for WRONG posts-moderation... Set them free NOW!!! Unleash the armies of rioting Trumpanzees, upon the prison gates, and FREE them!!!!
Ask the night nurse for your meds.
Or some arsenic
NONE of the communications, implied threats or pressures applied to private entities should be permissible behavior by government officials. This is an opportunity for the Supreme Court to draw a very bright line here, although I very much doubt that they will avail themselves of it. The government under the Constitution of the United States of America was conceived as the servant of a free people to preserve our freedoms and rights and preserve liberty for ourselves and our posterity. There is no single instance where it is appropriate for a servant to tell the people what acceptable speech is, or to try to establish what is true or false information. Outside of a very few clearly defined laws whose enforcement is necessary to punish violations of each individual's equal rights, there is NO PLACE for a "bully pulpit" or the use of regulation of private enterprise as a threat to enforce acceptable speech. We are so far away from the original concept of limited government that it is no longer a matter for debate.
"NONE of the communications, implied threats or pressures applied to private entities should be permissible behavior by government officials."
"I'm NOT gonna invite ya to MY cocktail parties ANY more!!!"
Permissible speech, or not? Government employee does it, or his wife or her hubby does it? Niece, nephew, cat or dog? Contractor, supplier to contractor, or owner of contractor's dog's litter-mate?
Oh My Government Almighty!!! I smell opportunities for MILLIONS of lawyers and bureaucrats, here!!! Economic stimulus, Baby!!!!
No, government officials acting in their official capacity do not have “Free Speech.” Obviously, what my position covers is the official policy of the government, not the personal opinions of individual government officials when acting outside of their official positions. A media corporation couldn’t care less whether a government official or her husband invites then to their next cocktail party. They DO care if you threaten to tie them up in litigation or crash their stock by threatening to “regulate” some of their profitable activities. I think your logical fallacy is called Appeal to Extremes (description: erroneously attempting to make a reasonable argument into an absurd one, by taking the argument to the extremes.) Maybe you need to stick your fallacy up your ass as you seem to need stimulation or something.
Yes.
LOL, what?
Sounds like Mr. "First Amendment purist" is fine with compelled speech.
All government communications should be open to the public. Instead the hide behind various rules regarding FOIA to hide it. If they are trying to hide it they know it is wrong. They just don't care.
All of these communications were hidden from the public.
These are the same idiots who don't want us to see the Space Force logos that didn't make the cut.
It does not seem to be a First amendment violation if a government official publicly states (either on the platform itself, or in a press release) that certain. social media posts are misinformation.
A press conference calling for social media companies to remove misinformation is very close to the line, but does not seem, by itself, to v iolate the First Amendment.
The factual findings of the trial court are that the government actually communicated directly with these companies about which posts to censor and which users to ban. There were even p;rivate lines of communication set up for this purpose. This crossed a bright line. There is no gray zone about it.
A few years ago, there was a case wherre an applellate court overturned a rape conviction because President Obama publicly called for rapists to be prosecuted and fired. I do believe that the judgment was wrongly decided, and the conviction should have stood. Obama was speaking in general terms about general policvy regarding rape as handled by the government of the land and naval forces.
It would be wholly different if a President were to send a direct communication to the members of the court-martial about how they should decide a particular case.
What bothers me most about all of this is that the Supreme Court Justices seem to START from the assumption that the federal government has always had the authority to "bully" private enterprise for the public good and that government would have no purpose without the authority to coerce people outside of the actual laws of the land.
No need to ponder. The answer to the question is absolutely, unequivocally, YES!
Stereotypical diversity hire.
How would she react to the proverbial "Nice little Supreme Court you got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it".
No threats there, just an idle question.
I wonder how much her opinion will change on the matter should Trump win in November? After all if it is okay when a Biden Maladministration does it shouldn't it be acceptable in a Trump controlled White House?
Alex, the answer is "What is YES!"
Latest in bloodbath saga. I assume Trump campaign releases video of Chicom EV executive smack talking bloodbath of U.S. auto Industry video from 2023. LMFAO…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/03/18/chinese-auto-executive-predicts-bloodbath-against-american-auto-industry/
Do the media not know he's trolling them?
They have to know. He's been doing it pretty consistently since 2015 when they tried to call him a racist for staying on topic instead of responding to a gotcha question about David Duke or someone. He says something to make them go apeshit, then it turns out to just give him more publicity. Rinse, repeat.
Then, again, they are such fanatical narcissists they might just believe they're the smart ones, not the idiots.
There's not much to ponder, obviously they did coerce social media platforms to censor speech. The SC is only pondering how they can phrase it politely.
Comment moved
As Rand Paul pointed out. When you hear the phrase, "don't mess with the intelligence agencies" there is obviously a problem.
Course there was a lot of denial demonstrated during the Nazi-Camps too.
Will everybody now agree that Ketanji is stuipid in a Guinness-book way????
Justice Jackson Complains First Amendment Is ‘Hamstringing’ Feds’ Censorship Efforts
And she was appointed by one of the laziest and dumbest men ever to be in the WH, the origninator of the Disinformation Governance Board (DGB)
The more they try and suppress information, the more the public will think they have something to hide and the "disinformation", whatever it is must be true. Why do so many people think the CIA was behind the Kennedy assassination, for example? Because the government refuses to release all the information it has regarding the assassination, and this causes people to rationally conclude there must be something incriminating there or else the government would release it.
Censorship isn't going to save them or make their unpopular ideas popular or wrong ideas right. What it will do, however, is totally destroy the public's faith in authority. That sounds good if you don't think about it very long, but it would in fact be a total disaster for the country and civilization itself. The fact is you don't know very much at all firsthand. You don't know anything firsthand about history, for example. It happened before you were born. The only way you "know" anything is because you trust in some authority to tell you the truth. If you stop trusting any authority, you will start believing whatever crazy thing suits your tastes. You can see this happening now. For example, a significant percentage of basketball fans under the age of 25 think Wilt Chamberlin's 100-point game was a hoax. Why? There is no film of it and the only evidence we have that it happened is the word of the NBA and a bunch of people who worked for the NBA. Since fans no longer trust the NBA for a lot of good reasons, some of them have stopped believing something that was a well-established historical fact. This is a benign example, but it illustrates the larger trend towards skepticism and ignorance. If you don't trust history books, because they were written by "white men" or whatever reason, why should you believe the Holocaust happened? It is not like you were there to see it. Why should you believe in the theory of relativity? Or that germs cause diseases? Or any of other thousands of pieces of information that we used to at least take for granted as being true.
This will be 7-2 with Alito and Thomas voting to restrain the government. The rest, including Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, "well you know guys...."
"SCOTUS Ponders Whether the Biden Administration Coerced Social Media Platforms To Censor Speech"
No pondering necessary. They did. It altered the election.