TikTok's Opponents Want Chinese-style Censorship in America
Instead of freeing Americans from censorship, the TikTok bill would tighten the U.S. government's control over social media.

The House of Representatives voted 352-65 on Wednesday for a bill that threatens to ban the social media platform TikTok. The Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act would ban TikTok from app stores unless its Chinese parent company ByteDance gives up ownership within six months.
The vote moved America a little bit closer to the Chinese-style online censorship that TikTok's opponents decry. Whether they acknowledge it or not, TikTok's opponents are using the same arguments that Chinese and Iranian censors can—and do—use to justify cracking down on social media in their own countries.
Chinese authorities have long maintained a "Great Firewall" over the country's internet, driven by the idea that the success of American tech companies is a threat to their "cyber sovereignty." The Iranian government, too, has begun to embrace the idea of "internet sovereignty," banning foreign social media networks in favor of Iranian-controlled platforms.
American lawmakers have started to push the same notions. In a March 5 joint statement, Republican and Democratic members of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party claimed that foreign control of a social media platform is a threat to U.S. sovereignty.
"America's foremost adversary has no business controlling a dominant media platform in the United States," committee chairman Rep. Mike Gallagher (R–Wis.) said. Ranking Member Raja Krishnamoorthi (D–Ill.) added that the TikTok bill will protect Americans "from the digital surveillance and influence operations of regimes that could weaponize their personal data against them."
Foreign censors could rightfully make the same complaints about American social media. The U.S. government has infamously prodded tech companies to hand over user data, both overtly and covertly. The U.S. military and intelligence services even use advertising data to track potential targets.
It's true that TikTok's content moderation falls in line with the wishes of Chinese censors. But again, foreign critics can say the same about U.S.-based social media companies.
The Biden administration has used the specter of "disinformation" to push social media moderation in line with their policies. Meta has censored Middle Eastern content that opposes U.S. foreign policy, while Twitter has created loopholes for the U.S. military to run its own propaganda accounts.
Of course, American law (unlike Chinese or Iranian law) limits how much the government can censor social media. Last year, courts banned and then unbanned the Biden administration from pressuring social media moderators. But the decision ultimately lies in Washington; it's not like European or Latin American voters have any say over the U.S. Supreme Court.
Competition is the strongest force keeping the internet free. Whenever users find a topic banned on TikTok, they can escape to Twitter or Instagram to discuss the censored content. And when Twitter or Instagram enforce politically motivated censorship on a different topic, users can continue that discussion on TikTok.
Forcing TikTok under American control is a way to block that escape route. Instead of protecting Americans from Chinese censorship, it would bring Chinese-style censorship home.
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This article should include this Massie tweet or cover the issues raised by it:
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1767757025562284247
The so-called TikTok ban is a trojan horse.
The President will be given the power to ban WEB SITES, not just Apps.
The person breaking the new law is deemed to be the U.S. (or offshore) INTERNET HOSTING SERVICE or App Store, not the “foreign adversary.”
Sounds right.
The real threat to every corrupt actor is free speech and the world has never seen free speech like it is possible on the internet today.
Imagine the threat of everyone demanding proof of claims or refuting lies with correctly applied logic and science.
EVERY liar favours censorship.
If the concern really was “hacking” every nation could not only have a robust firewall with passport security but similar laws and extradition agreements with nations that would like to communicate with each other.
Not only would this preclude the stated need to censor websites, it would foster information trust between nations and show us all who our allies really are.
Kinda important when the first casualty of war is the truth.
I have to ask, what part of "shall not be infringed" do they fail to understand. Sure, Tic Toc is a toxic hell hole of Chinese spying and influence. But we are not supposed to be China. We are supposed to be better.
Parents, yet again, need to stand up and do their fucking job, not beg government to do it for them.
What is China doing with this information, and is this information different than what they could just buy from Facebook or Google?
Tic Toc is a toxic hell hole of Chinese spying
And 'being better' means letting them do it?
No.
Liberty is dangerous.
Totalitarians are the ones selling safety.
Yes.
No one is talking about that.
What does allowing spying to go on have to do with liberty?
How does it make us 'better' to not defend liberty from those who wish to take it?
You are selling complacence in the face of totalitarian authoritarianism. And saying that buying it make us 'better'.
I am saying that if we do not defend liberty, with all we can, then we will lose it.
The Second Amendment was "shall not be infringed". The First Amendment was "Congress shall pass no law".
And the 14th Amendment was "No state shall make or enforce any law".
But it doesn't really make any difference. (Except that the Founding Fathers clearly thought gun rights were more important than freedom of speech, which should rebuke the argument that the Government can restrict gun rights)
I dont think they saw any one as more important. I suspect it was the input of their classical educations that drove them to start each one differently. All ten were strong on their minds because the Brits had done all these things to them so they wanted to make sure those points were raised.
Hamilton was of the opinion that to enumerate the liberties limited them as it made it sound like the ones not listed weren't important too.
In the end brevity and likely how many sheep had to die to get enough copies made stayed their hands.
I think that Hammilton had a point as the 9th and 10th are the most often shit upon by those in power and invoked when out of power. By enumerating those eight other liberties we should enjoy are infringed regularly.
Yes.
Government that has any ability whatsoever to pick what we can and cannot see or hear, is a totalitarian government, or on its way to becoming one. Sure, censor the kiddie porn. But when political ideas and thoughts, ANY political ideas and thoughts, are censored, we are on a downward slope to totalitarianism.
Someone once said, "Freedom of the press doesn't count for anything, unless you have a press." That was years ago, when few could afford the expense of making themselves heard. Now, we can all do it for free, as we are doing here. This freedom is death to political entrenchment. That scares the totalitarians to death, in BOTH parties. I'll take my chances on TikTok. How is it any worse than FB, YouTube, Google or any of the other 'American' propaganda machines?
"We're going to choose what you can do on the Internet, for your own good. We'll never abuse this power. Nope. Trust us."
The U.S. government exercises control and influence over what speech is allowed to be said on social media. And what appears in search results etc.
With TikTok they don't, so they want to eliminate it. While sneaking any expansions of internet censorship powers they can get away with while they're at it. That's all this is about, nothing more nothing less.
It's a retarded idea, but it's not exactly 'Chinese-style censorship'.
Put a warning label on it so that every time you open the app, it tells the user just exactly how much data is being sent to the CCP. Then, let the morons who use it anyway get bent.
Agree here. Let's face it young people are smart enough to know that their data is constantly being collected by businesses and government. They don't really care. It's the old farts in Congress that care.
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At this point it becomes like the notifications that pop up on your computer or the warning labels on packaging. We are trained over time to ignore them by having to get them out of our way to do stuff.
Young people aren't smart enough to know much of damned anything. They have been taught, overwhelmingly, by education majors who are the biggest morons on any college campus.
How they voted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2024/tiktok-ban-house-vote/
Interesting mix on who opposed this nonsense.
Massie, Gaetz, MTG
Omar, AOC, Pressley
Principled civil libertarians, kooks, and the Squad.
Let's not forget that a lot of Reason's writers were in favor of US government control of social media - as long as it wasn't 'official'. Back channels between 'people with an understanding' was ok.
After all, then they were 'just private companies'.
This^^^^^^
That’s why they blasted the government when the story stopped being a conspiracy theory and was backed with facts from credible sources. Because they were in favor of it. Yeah. Sure.
Your comment is just tired whining from someone who gets angry when others change their minds and agree with them. Which is something I don't understand. I thought it was good when people came around to your point of view.
That’s why they blasted the government when the story stopped being a conspiracy theory and was backed with facts from credible sources.
Do you know how retarded this sounds? The facts were always there retard. The censorship was always happening. It was well documented.
Young people are listening to all this long-haired hippie music. Excuse me, sorry, wrong time period. Young people are listening and watching all these Tik Tok video we have to act.
>Foreign censors could rightfully make the same complaints about American social media. The U.S. government has infamously prodded tech companies to hand over user data, both overtly and covertly. The U.S. military and intelligence services even use advertising data to track potential targets.
They do.
You notice that Twitter, Facebook, etc, aren't allowed to operate freely in other countries.
Now, I'm not saying that that is *right*, I am saying that they're already complaining about the USG's control over American social media companies in other countries - and they're already taking measures to counter that control.
>It's true that TikTok's content moderation falls in line with the wishes of Chinese censors. But again, foreign critics can say the same about U.S.-based social media companies.
No, they can't.
Because US based social media companies in other countries **fall in line with the censorship policies of the countries they are in.**
Pretty amusing assertion as TikTok is shown to be most censoring of the apps as well as one of the highest content manipulation rates. At the behest of the CCP.
Don’t care about the ban. Not supporting it. But hilarious that your cover story subject literally pushes CCP censorship.
Reason paraphrasing Trump. This is a big deal for the U.S., glad I’m older.
Now get in line and get your pod and bug rations and copy of white rural rage.
It won't happen. The Republican-majority house ban won't get through the Senate. Too many billionaire investors in Tik-Tok.
There are better ways of reducing Chinese propaganda influence.
In theory they are using the data to program an AI to be able to predict the will and intentions of the American electorate. Just like every corporation doing the same they want to know what we will "buy" philosopically and what to do for PR offensives to make their nations actions seem better in the view of Americans.
I say turn the bot makers loose on Tic Toc. Spam that app with so.much garbage the AI is too busy sorting real Amercian ideas from the farmed ones. Give them gobs and gobs of inaccurate data so the AI is useless.
"Give them gobs and gobs of inaccurate data so the AI is useless."
So gift them a NYT & WaPo subscription?
Yes, but they can't KNOW it's from those outlets or else they will filter it out.
The bill passed 352 to 65 dumbass.
If it really is a national security threat, start arresting the users as Communist spies.
More confirmation this place is not worth $25.
Here's an idea: No foreign nation or citizen should be allowed to own property here in the US.
Oh, wait.
That makes sense.
What was I thinking?
My car was built in the US by a foreign company. You saying that factory shouldn't exist, nor should all those jobs?
I have it on good authority that the people fleeing California are having their homes and land bought by foreign nationals happy to own a peice of the USA.
You mean a staging ground in the USA.
Prepare for the digital version of fentanyl to replace tiktok on the internet.
Get rid of tick tock we do not need it especially from our enemy. If China is spying on us why on Earth would we keep such a thing. These people don't need another Outlet anyway. We have enough with Twitter and Facebook and everything else.
You decide what we "need"?
My information is mine to do what I want with. If I want to give it to TikTok, that's my business, not yours (I've decided NOT to do so). Although I don't choose to give it to TikTok, others do and that is their choice.
It's fine to ban TikTok on devices owned by the government and even ban its use/installation on personal devices that employees choose to bring into the government workplace (which, in the case of members of the military, effectively could mean "no personal devices w/TikTok installed).
If TikTok is threatening national security, it is the national security infrastructure that has failed and that should be fixed -- and not by banning a particular instance that exploits the weaknesses in the national security infrastructure.
In point of fact this bill is meaningless.
The intelligence community --all of it, from every nation, corporation, and organization will still sieve information from every possible source legal nd illegal regardless of this bill.
Every nation, corporation, and organization will still push it's ideas to the fullest extent they can.
And it will censor nothing.
The House of Representatives voted 352-65 on Wednesday for a bill that threatens to ban the social media platform TikTok.”
OK, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but IIRC, they aren’t banning TikTok, but instead banning Chinese ownership of it. It can remain under someone else's ownership. That’s a crucial distinction if you are defending TikTok on 1A grounds, and this article fails to address that.
Tiktok is a Chinese Communist Party psyop tool embedded with America's stupidest generation. And of course the Stupidest Generation doesn't see it.
Ban Tiktok already!!
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