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Education

States Try To Strip Sex From Literature in Libraries, Schools

These aren't outright bans. But they still can chill free speech and academic freedom.

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 2.26.2024 11:52 AM

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State lawmakers are getting creative in their attempts to control what young people read. Across the U.S., we're seeing legislation aimed at school materials and public libraries.

These measures often wear the mantle of "parental rights" or "protecting kids" from obscenity. But in practice they tend to take aim at any books depicting sex or sexuality.

These aren't outright book bans. But they still strike at the heart of things like student privacy and academic freedom, giving the most conservative parents, politicians, or administrators the power to determine what anyone can access of offer at public institutions.

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A Three Strikes Bill for Books

In Utah, House Bill 29 will remove books from school libraries and curriculum statewide if a handful of schools deem them "sensitive material." The bill has passed both chambers of the state legislature and is now awaiting the governor's signature.

A statewide prohibition will be triggered if at least three school districts or two districts and five charter schools deem a book or other work to be inappropriate. This will happen automatically unless the Utah State Board of Education votes to override a statewide ban.

Opponents say the bill will allow the most conservative districts and schools to set standards for schools throughout the state. "This is the antithesis of local control," state Rep. Carol Spackman Moss (D–Holladay) said on the state House floor last month. "Parents can and should be the ones who monitor their children's reading—not the government."

HB29 also expands the definition of the "sensitive materials" not allowed in schools. Previously it just meant "pornographic or indecent" material. Now it also includes any material deemed "harmful to minors"—a category that includes "any description or representation, in whatsoever form, of nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or sadomasochistic abuse" when, taken as a whole, it "appeals to the prurient interest in sex of minors; is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community…with respect to what is suitable material for minors; and…does not have serious value for minors"—and may also include "material that includes certain fondling or other erotic touching."

Under this standard, basically any books that discuss sexual feelings or acts beyond kissing will be off limits.

Does Your Parent Know What You're Reading, Young Lady?

Georgia lawmakers are taking a different approach to controlling what kids read. A measure that moved forward in the state's Senate last week would make school libraries notify some parents of what books their kids check out.

Senate Bill 365 says "a parent of each student enrolled in public school shall be notified in writing of the option to receive an email notification each time such student obtains material from a library operated by the public school where the student is enrolled."

The legislation passed out of the Senate Education and Youth Committee in a 5–4 vote on February 21.

The following day, a Senate committee voted to move forward with another bill related to schools and books. This one could criminalize school librarians and administrators who allow students to access content deemed "harmful to minors"—a broad category that could encompass a huge host of young adult literature.

Under existing Georgia law, it's illegal to knowingly sell or loan to a minor any "harmful" visual or written depiction of "sexually explicit nudity, sexual conduct, or sadomasochistic abuse" or any verbal description "of sexual excitement." It's also illegal to knowingly "exhibit, expose, or display in public" such materials at a newsstand, business, or public place open to minors. But there's an exception to all this for "any public library operated by the state or any of its political subdivisions [and] any library operated as a part of any school, college, or university."

Senate Bill 154 would remove "school" from that exceptions list. This means that books deemed OK for a public library or college library could be illegal to stock on the shelves of a high school library.

Arrest All the Librarians!

Like the Georgia bill, West Virginia House Bill 4654 would remove protections from prosecution for school libraries, as well as for schools more broadly, for public libraries, and for museums.

Under current West Virginia law, "any adult who knowingly and intentionally displays obscene matter to a minor could be charged with a felony, fined up to $25,000 and face up to five years in prison if convicted," notes The Parkersburg News and Sentinel. That law contains an exemption for "bona fide schools, public libraries, and museums," but the West Virginia House has now voted 85–12 to remove that exemption.

This issue seems somewhat less broad than the one in Georgia, since it applies only to obscenity generally and not the more expansive "harmful to minors" category. Then again, obscenity is notoriously hard to define, revolving around vague concepts such as "community standards" and "prurient interest."

The chief danger here is that even if mere descriptions of sex in literary works wouldn't be considered obscenity, institutions may remove them anyway to avoid the hassle of having to fight over it. Or to avoid a finding that "community standards" have changed and that now The Perks of Being a Wallflower or The Handmaid's Tale are, in fact, considered obscenity in the state.

Pushing Back…Kind Of

In response to a recent resurgence in "book banning" attempts, some states are offering "right to read" statutes. "California and Illinois have already passed laws to try to limit book bans," reports Axios, and "more than a dozen other states, including Washington, are considering similar measures."

But these measures seem mostly performative, and some—like Maryland House Bill 785—could backfire spectacularly.

The Washington Post's Petula Dvorak called the Maryland bill "one of the most disquieting pieces of legislation"—not because of what's in it but because of what it's meant to protect against. It says a library shouldn't exclude material "because of the origin, background, or views of a person who created the material" or "prohibit or remove material…because of partisan or doctrinal disapproval."

Yet neither of these planks would prohibit the removal of books on the grounds that are most frequently cited in these debates (that is: sexual content deemed inappropriate for minors). Even when some of these challengers seem intent on protesting any books with gay romances or transgender characters, they don't generally say "we want this gone because of THE GAYS." They'll find a passage describing a sexual encounter, or masturbation, or some such thing, and seize on that. It's all cloaked in the language of stopping young people from being exposed to sexual themes.

Meanwhile, such a doctrine could prevent a library from excluding some books that the folks behind the Maryland bill might not like to see on the shelves. After all, wouldn't banning Nazi literature be based on the "views" of the author? And even if nothing so extreme is on the table, the doctrine would give a lot of room for authors whose books aren't stocked to claim they're being discriminated against in a way that violates this law.

It just seems likely to create more headaches than it prevents, at best.

(Meanwhile, the Maryland bill would also raise the fine for disfiguring a library book from $250 to $1,000.)

Book Busybodies Begone

There is one facet of all this school book legislation that seems potentially useful: limits on who can challenge inclusion of books in school libraries. What we've seen recently is some people with political agendas challenge books to make a point, or a few cranks challenging tons of books, which administrators must nonetheless investigate. So bills limiting challenges in various ways—such as allowing them only from the parents of students at a school—could help prevent frivolous challenges and political stunts.

One of these has cropped up in an unlikely place: Florida.

Florida has been a hotbed of school and/or library book challenges. "No state banned more books than Florida in the most recent school year," noted Erin Davis and Jason Russell in Reason's January issue. "Over 40 percent of school book bans in the U.S. happened in Florida, though a slight majority of Florida school districts had no bans at all."

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis—who can be both good and bad on educational freedom—"has spearheaded the efforts to keep inappropriate books away from kids," reports WUSF. But now even he seems to recognize that things have gone too far. DeSantis "recently Endorsed a House proposal to curb schoolbook removals and challenges," says WUSF.

The proposal: charge people $100 to challenge a book if they don't have kids in a school district and they've unsuccessfully challenged more than four books within that year.

"If you're somebody who doesn't have a kid in school and you're gonna object to 100 books, no, I don't think that that's appropriate," DeSantis said at a press conference earlier this month. "So I think the Legislature's interested in limiting the number of challenges you can do and maybe making it be contingent on whether you actually have kids in school or not."

Censorship-Adjacent

A step like the one Florida is considering could at least prevent the worst sorts of abuses of the system. But when the system itself is geared toward severely limiting what students can read, small steps won't really make a meaningful difference.

Of course, school and public libraries are far from the only places to get books. This leads some to hand-wave away strict limitations on them—Who cares when kids can just turn to Amazon? That's fair enough when you're considering young people with enough money to purchase the books they want and/or those whose parents have more liberal sensibilities.

It still means that for some young people, reading everything from some classic literature to modern novels with gay characters could be off-limits.

And that while most teens can watch pretty graphic movie and TV depictions of sex, or find pornography on their phones, more nuanced and age-appropriate depictions of navigating sexual relationships could be out of reach.

So the idea that "This isn't an outright ban, so who cares?" doesn't sit well with me.

Laws limiting what kinds of books can be stocked on library shelves aren't censorship, but they're censorship-adjacent. In that, they resemble many attempts to control communication and information these days, from measures dictating how social media companies must moderate content to website age-verification laws to bills allowing private lawsuits against digital companies that allegedly cause amorphous "harms."

The surest way to push through such measures is to say they're for the kids. But kids have First Amendment rights too—and even if they didn't, many attempts to limit material for minors will also limit that material for adults as well.

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  1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

    Anything which shifts control and accountability from the State to parents is fine with me.

    If parents want to indoctrinate their children into young flat earth believers, who are they hurting? Gosh, the kids might not grow up to be geologists or navigators; so what? They'll probably learn the truth when they become adults, and it still won't matter.

    It's a hell of a lot better than woke indoctrination.

    1. SRG2   1 year ago

      Anything which shifts control and accountability from the State to parents is fine with me.

      Except they're not. Shifting control and accountability would be states saying that it's up to each parent to determine and control what they want to permit their child to read but not for each parent to do that for other parents' children.

      Your position would appear to be, school library has 1984 on its shelves. Parent A doesn't want their child reading it, complains to school, school removes it. Parent B would have been content to let their child read it but now they can't - at least, not from the library, and the whole fucking point of having a library is to make books readily available.

      Control and accountability would be, Parent A tells school, every time my child wants to check out a book, let me know. Tells child, "You can't read 1984". Librarian apologises to child, no 1984 for you, parent A is happy. Parent B, meanwhile, thinks that having a child reading is what matters, and doesn't care that 1984 is on the shelves. Child reads 1984.

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        Confuses 1984 with pornography.

        1. SRG2   1 year ago (edited)

          Wherein Idaho-Bob shows his ignorance. 1984 overall is not pornography, but this scene is enough to make it onto the Cracker Index Librorum Prohibitorum:

          “Winston succeeded in transferring his hatred from the face on the screen to the dark-haired girl behind him. Vivid, beautiful hallucinations flashed through his mind. He would flog her to death with a rubber truncheon. He would tie her naked to a stake and shoot her full of arrows like Saint Sebastian. He would ravish her and cut her throat at the moment of climax. Better than before, moreover, he realized WHY it was that he hated her. He hated her because she was young and pretty and sexless, because he wanted to go to bed with her and would never do so, because round her sweet supple waist, which seemed to ask you to encircle it with your arm, there was only the odious scarlet sash, aggressive symbol of chastity.”

          https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt

          1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

            R-rated fantasy and should be age restricted.

            I'm still not seeing where 1984 is instructing a 12 year old how to suck an adult's dick.

            1. SRG2   1 year ago

              R-rated fantasy and should be age restricted.

              And there we have it. At least you've implicitly conceded thta I confused nothing.

              1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

                Jesus Christ. Age restricted as in middle school vs high school.

                Pornography is over 18, so not in any public school.

                College? sure.

                1. SRG2   1 year ago

                  Look, I wouldn't have bothered to argue had you not ignorantly asserted that I'd confused 1984 with pornography.

                  FWIW I read 1984 when I was 8 or 9 and that passage just didn't have any emotional meaning or sense for me.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    flow youre being as intentionally ignorant as Jeff. Why not just ask about Snow White like the other obfuscators?

                  2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago (edited)

                    LOL at SRG’s attempted brag. He was a child prodigy.

                    1. SRG2   1 year ago

                      It was an actual brag, not an attempted one, though the point was not the brag. Still, well done for missing the point.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "the point was not the brag."

                      Suuuure it wasn't.

                  3. Incunabulum   1 year ago

                    You did confuse it with pornography.

                    That 1984 might should be age-restricted doesn't mean its pornography. It just means that maybe its not appropriate for general access to 10 year olds.

                    1. SRG2   1 year ago

                      I didn't confuse it. The existence of that passage alone would be sufficient to get the book restricted. And that is the point.

                  4. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

                    And you thought "that big brother guy is the greatest hero ever!"

                2. f7b155e   1 year ago

                  Bob, you keep making the same mistake. There's no pornography in schools. You literally missed a major point of this article and the above comments. Anyone can pull a paragraph out of a 200+ page book and find it to be inappropriate. I read 1984 in middle school as part of the curriculum (8th grade, I think). I don't recall the passage in question but have no doubt it could have easily been in there.

                  Your personal beliefs shouldn't be able to prevent others from viewing content you view objectionable.

              2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Why does shrike always confuse parent provided material with state provided materiel?

                Nobody is stopping parents from giving their kids these books.

                1. SRG2   1 year ago

                  I don't know. Why don't you ask shrike, not me?

                  If you want to argue against the general principle of public and school libraries, knock yourself out.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    It isnt a general discussion on libraries retard. It is about states deciding, or school boards doing so, appropriate material for limited resources/shelving space.

                    The fact you think the word sex is the same as a graphic image of a kid giving someone a blow job is the same shows your leftist bullshit.

                    1. SRG2   1 year ago

                      The fact you think the word sex is the same as a graphic image of a kid giving someone a blow job is the same shows your leftist bullshit.

                      Which I don't think and never said, so I don't know from what part of your syphilis-riddled brain you got this from.

                  2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

                    School libraries aren't public libraries. And public libraries aren't private libraries.

                    There are gonna be different norms for each type. Differing levels of freedom based on the age of the patrons and whether or not people are being forced - at gunpoint - to fund the facility.

                    You want to provide everything to everyone - open a private library.

                    You want me to pay to fund a public library - then I get a say about what is going to be in the library.

                    1. SRG2   1 year ago

                      You want me to pay to fund a public library – then I get a say about what is going to be in the library.

                      That seems a plausible argument but is merely puerile, because that's not how representative democracy works. Your same argument applies to all other government funded institutions - including the military, for example. If I said anything as ridiculous as, I pay to fund the military therefore I should have a say in what weapons they acquire, the flaw in the argument becomes apparent.

                      You elect representatives to make these decisions.

                    2. f7b155e   1 year ago

                      You get a SAY not a VETO. You're essentially one of thousands and without a critical mass of people, you can easily be ignored.

                2. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

                  Well, ENB's article is good with parental control until up against legislation that explicitly gives parents control, then she's pearl clutching about kids not reading about gay characters.

                  There is no acknowledgement that what has been going on is a reaction to a libertine movement overplaying its hand in trying to imposevits values on other people's children.

                  1. f7b155e   1 year ago

                    "There is no acknowledgement that what has been going on is a reaction to a libertine movement overplaying its hand in trying to imposevits values on other people’s children."

                    My goodness a "libertine movement" at that! Here's the deal, contemporary standards have changed and changed pretty fast. Modern and many classic books reflect the contemporary standards that some people find offensive. If you're unhappy about seeing depictions of gay relationships, interracial relationships or transgender people, just deal with the fact that you're going to have a difficult time moving through contemporary society.

          2. DesigNate   1 year ago

            “the Cracker Index Librorum Prohibitorum”

            People that say Cracker are not serious people.

            1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

              People who say "cracker" don't matter.

              1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

                Uncle Kracker?

            2. SRG2   1 year ago

              I may not be serious, but my points may still be - and indeed, are.

              FWIW "cracker" is a useful term of opprobrium.

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

                So is progtard, progtard.

        2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

          Don't be a larger idiot than usual.

          He is using a non pornographic book that most here would want their children to read as an example of why the principle is flawed.

      2. Rossami   1 year ago

        No, ABC's position is merely that Parent B has lots of options including buying 1984 from the bookstore or borrowing a copy for their kid from a non-school library. Parent B, by insisting that 1984 be available without restriction is removing Parent A's ability to parent.

        While I personally think that Parent B's is the better approach to parenting, B and I have no right to impose that on A when we have plenty of easy and cheap alternatives to achieve our parenting ends.

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          But Parent B is not preventing Parent A from imposing restrictions on their own child.

          1. Rossami   1 year ago

            Sure they are. A has no realistic way to create a personalized objection to books in the school library. Even if A submitted one, the school has no realistic way to check for and comply with A's request. Unlike TV, social media and other channels, school library selections happen outside the ability of A to supervise. That means B is imposing his/her value choice on A.

            1. Liberty_Belle   1 year ago

              That sounds like Parent A's problem to me. A's list of banned books is not shared by C , D, nor E who are perfectly happy with the schools book selection and would thank A very much not to make decisions that deny knowledge to the children of Parents C, D, nor E. Home-school if it bothers A so much.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                Now rewrite your scenario if you lived in a small town that bought a bunch of mean, racist, sexist kid books for the town library.

              2. Rossami   1 year ago

                You are assuming that C, D and E agree with B. Now change your scenario to where C, D and E agree with A. Who wins now? Why is it automatically A's job to home-school and not B's?

                Turns out, that's exactly what you get when you vote for the legislatures that make these rules. The great success (and weakness) of representative democracy is that the majority get to make the rules. And the majority in these states evidently want these rules enough that they haven't voted out the legislators who passed them.

                1. Liberty_Belle   1 year ago (edited)

                  The same. Just because there are more of you , doesn’t make it right. If they want to ban something, ban themselves. Make sure their children are doing what they want them to, and leave other children & parents choices out of their shenanigans. If they don’t want their children to gain learning , that’s on them. Doesn’t matter if its a million … doesn’t matter if it’s just one; if you object to it , then the burden of banning your children falls on you … leave others access to it alone.

                2. f7b155e   1 year ago

                  The problem for you Rossami, is this thing called the First Amendment. You do NOT get to impose your personal values upon other people. You just don't. You can ban things within your own house but unless you chain your children up in the basement until they turn 18, you can't prevent them from existing in the world and reading things you may find objectionable. It's called parenting. If you're not up for it, wear a condom.

            2. ricbee   1 year ago

              I actually stole a disgusting perverted book from my local library and trashed it.

        2. SRG2   1 year ago

          And as for finding a non-school library or buying a book - A is the one imposing constraints so A is the one who should bear the burden, not B.

          1. Rossami   1 year ago

            Again, you have the imposition backwards. B is imposing on A's ability to parent.

            Take this argument to the next level. Lots of folks (including me) think that erotica is not inherently harmful to children. My rule was that my kids had full and unrestricted access to the family library and I would read to them anything they selected. (My son once selected my old Legal Ethics textbook. It was great - he was sound asleep before I was halfway through the second paragraph.) Despite my strong feelings that my permissive approach is best for their long-term emotional health, I know that I have no right to impose my beliefs on parents who think they can preserve their children's innocence through ignorance.

            1. SRG2   1 year ago

              Again, you have the imposition backwards. B is imposing on A’s ability to parent.

              Who is stopping whom? A likewise is stopping B from parenting the way they want. And A is imposing a greater burden on B than B would be on A. A requires B to go to another library or pay money. B merely requires A to say "yes/no" to A's child's choice of book.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Such retardation. Youre demanding a state resource to provide something or you cry out it is a burden.

                Sure you're not a socialist shrike?

                1. SRG2   1 year ago

                  I'm not a socialist and I'm not shrike. But you know that.

                  1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                    Are you sure he knows those facts or any others? I get the feeling his gut rules him and the only guide he needs is the bible.

                    1. f7b155e   1 year ago

                      I get the same feeling about JesseAz.

                2. f7b155e   1 year ago

                  It sounds like you are interested in state-sponsored censorship of public libraries based on nothing more than your FeeLiNgS. The state provides a wide selection of books to the public. If you don’t like the selection, don’t go to the library.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Libraries don't contain every book ever written dumbfuck. Schools promote a choice of what available resources are.

        3. mad.casual   1 year ago

          Yeah, I'm pretty pro-2A and if, after the case of Ethan Crumbley, a school that hosted a shooting sports club decided to off load that onto a local shooting range or gun store, I wouldn't see that as any sort of "Chilling of the 2A". School walks pretty decidedly on the "positive rights" side of the line anyway.

      3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

        Parents' plural control is still better than State control.

      4. Incunabulum   1 year ago

        > and the whole fucking point of having a library is to make books readily available.

        We need a law? Every library should stock every book in the world?

        Or maybe libraries need to make decisions about what to stock given the age of their clients and the space available?

        Also, you're all about 'our precious democracy' when things are going your way. When the majority votes the way you want its all 'fuck the minority, buncha hick losers'. But as soon as a majority of parents decide they want to do something you don't want them to do its all 'won't someone think of the minority!!?'

        1. KaDaSha   1 year ago

          Yeah, funny how that works.

      5. spec24   1 year ago

        Notice the word PUBLIC, in the description of these schools and libraries. That means that it is UNDEED up to other parents to decide. It's called a representative democracy for a reason. I don't like how public roads are run, OR schools, or ANY public institution. But that's what being PUBLIC means!! It means other people, with differing opinions from yours, may control the public policies.

      6. spec24   1 year ago

        Public means it's open to a vote. Were you born yesterday?

      7. ricbee   1 year ago

        School Libraries should not be confused with Public libraries and
        there is some disgusting stuff in them.

        1. f7b155e   1 year ago

          School libraries, paid for with tax dollars, are public libraries. Books from school libraries can be checked out by the general public as many school library systems are integrated into the local public library system. If you're disgusted by material in public or school libraries; don't check it out. You don't need to censor stuff that other people see.

      8. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Problem solved by parents being involved in the lives of their children. Even better if parents home school their children or put their children in private schools that more closely attune to their own ideology.

        Problem solved with less government and more individual liberty.

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      Yeah, because denying every branch of science is so much better than just denying biology.

    3. alisha7888   1 year ago

      States attempting to remove sexual content from literature in libraries and schools often cite concerns about age-appropriateness and moral values. However, such efforts raise significant questions about censorship, freedom of expression, and the role of education in addressing complex societal issues. While it's important to consider sensitivities and the developmental stages of students, wholesale removal of sexual themes risks sanitizing literature and limiting critical discussions about human experiences. Instead, a balanced approach that involves parental involvement, educator discretion, and robust literary education can better equip individuals to navigate diverse perspectives and themes in literature.
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  2. Roberta   1 year ago

    After children are forced to be schooled at taxed-for expense, in government facilities, why should we even care about the selection methods they use to stock their books? These are such picayune details in the overall scheme, and as the proportion opting out of government schools increases, become less consequential anyway.

    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      True. It is a form of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

      It's an over reaction by the right to the left trying to shove all the sex stuff into school libraries. The kids are riding the pendulum we suffer because right and left are seen as the only two legitimate political philosophies. The pendulum has been swung about as far as the left can manage and is in the process of swinging back to the right. So we can expect all sorts of idiocy from them for a while as they mange to swing it as far right as they can. Then it will start swinging back left.

      It's the curse of the two party system.

  3. Whirled Peas   1 year ago

    Keep porn out of schools. Kids will be inundated with it soon enough.
    Better yet, get your kid out of government schools where they will fail unless they salute the sexual pervert (LGBTQRS) flag.

    1. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

      LGBTQRS? Is that a new one? I get the Let's Go Brandon part, but what do the rest mean? I just can't keep up with all these changes. Next you'll tell me boys can be boys.

    2. ricbee   1 year ago

      HERE HEAR!

    3. f7b155e   1 year ago

      Not sure what LGBTQRS means but if you're referring to gay people, they're less sexually perverted than a man on his third marriage having paid sex with a pornstar while his wife is pregnant.

  4. Longtobefree   1 year ago

    Just for the record, Florida has not banned any books.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      This part of the headline "These aren't outright bans", is the most honest I've ever seen Reason be on this issue.

      Not allowing stores to sell children Hustler magazine and school libraries to stock gay porn, was never ever a book ban.

      1. f7b155e   1 year ago

        When has any school library stocked gay porn? I want serious examples. Show me a time when a school library stocked a Falcon Studios or men.com release. Absent that, calm down "Mother".

      2. f7b155e   1 year ago

        I'm very curious to see what you come up with!

  5. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>The chief danger here is that even if mere descriptions of sex in literary works wouldn't be considered obscenity, institutions may remove them anyway to avoid the hassle of having to fight over it.

    may remove is a possibility not a chief danger

    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      When a conservative internet site may self censor by using the bullshit pronouns to avoid the hassle of prosecution from states where "misgendering" is a crime punishable by a substantial fine is that not a danger?

  6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago (edited)

    because Public Middle Schools are well known bastions of Academic Freedom

  7. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

    "States try to strip Protocols of the Elders of Zion from school libraries! news at 11"

    1. KaDaSha   1 year ago

      Hahaha

  8. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

    Almost all schools have decided to not stock Playboy nor Hustler in their libraries.

    It has already been established this is not censorship when a school refuses to stick certain books in their libraries, regardless of what level of authority it comes from.

    Refusing to stock certain books may or may not be a good idea, or justified as a matter of ethics.

    What it is not is censorship-adjacent.

  9. Rossami   1 year ago

    re: "and even if they didn't, many attempts to limit material for minors will also limit that material for adults as well."

    In an article entirely about school libraries, how do you possibly reach that conclusion? Do you have evidence that adults are regularly returning to their high school and middle school libraries to make reading selections?

    Okay, some of these laws are overwrought, silly or even counter-productive. But making obviously inapplicable arguments against them weakens your case.

  10. Eeyore   1 year ago

    Ban publicly funded libraries.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      ^ Scratching at the lie just beneath the surface of ENB's argument.

      Schools, libraries, publicly-funded museums... these are all vehicles by which a passive right to speak becomes an active right to force people to listen. End them all. Until then, it's just advocating for or against your personal message, on the taxpayers dime, against any/all the taxpayers involved.

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      That's the best option. Make libraries survive on donations and fundraisers.

  11. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

     

    Under existing Georgia law, it’s illegal to knowingly sell or loan to a minor any “harmful” visual or written depiction of “sexually explicit nudity, sexual conduct, or sadomasochistic abuse” or any verbal description “of sexual excitement.” It’s also illegal to knowingly “exhibit, expose, or display in public” such materials at a newsstand, business, or public place open to minors. But there’s an exception to all this for “any public library operated by the state or any of its political subdivisions [and] any library operated as a part of any school, college, or university.”

    Senate Bill 154 would remove “school” from that exceptions list. This means that books deemed OK for a public library or college library could be illegal to stock on the shelves of a high school library.

    This is very much a “I can’t allow you to destroy democracy in order to save democracy because you won’t do it the right way.” libertarian non-sequitur.

    I’m Libertarian enough that I don’t think people who simply possess artifacts of what could be considered CP that they had no part in producing and/or funding should be charged and even *I* think such people shouldn’t be able to transfer such material to minors (which begins to move it back towards production).

    The exception for schools and public libraries essentially makes porn an elitist or propagandist tool of the government. The government is free to hand out porn that normal citizens can’t. Removing ‘schools’ from the list doesn’t clearly generate more free speech and, instead, feels more like a nonsensical emotive reach. Especially given the entirely sensible "adult material will be available in adult locations" conclusion.

  12. Bladernr1001   1 year ago

    Let’s be clear these laws are a reaction to the cultural push for LBGTQRST$&& from the left. It feels very indoctrinating. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of these teachers and administrators feel such an intense need to have dudes dressed as women dance suggestively in front of 6 year olds for example.

    Is this just another back door ploy by the left to impose socialism on us?

    1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      I think it's to demoralize you and beat you down to compliance. When you don't care you will obey.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Not back door, stated goal

    3. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      The Alphabet Mafia agenda is their idea of pursuing the freedom to be a sexual freak. They literally see it as one of their rights that the right is trying to repress and the left is fighting for their right to be freaks. I suspect if we let them do their freaky shit without calling it out they'd get bored of it. But Christians find it difficult to not freak out about what they've decided is an afront to their faith.

  13. JEP41   1 year ago

    "In an article entirely about school libraries ...."

    But the article is NOT "entirely about school libraries".

    From earlier in the article:

    "Under current West Virginia law, "any adult who knowingly and intentionally displays obscene matter to a minor could be charged with a felony, fined up to $25,000 and face up to five years in prison if convicted," notes The Parkersburg News and Sentinel. That law contains an exemption for "bona fide schools, public libraries, and museums," but the West Virginia House has now voted 85–12 to remove that exemption."

    If the exemption is removed, the law will apply to public libraries and museums ... and their librarians.

    1. BYODB   1 year ago

      I'd like to hear the case for public libraries, museums, and schools showing pornography to minors.

      Of course, reading through it 'obscene material' is a subjective measure that doesn't seem to have any firm definition here which is probably intentional. That, of course, would indeed have a chilling effect on what books or art is shown at those institutions.

      A public library could, of course, have an adults only section that simply doesn't allow minors just like other stores that carry adult material along with candy. One wonders if an image of Michelangelo's David could be considered obscene under this statute, or exactly what the limits of obscenity are. That is the central question that remains unanswered here.

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Can't people on the right do a good enough job of parenting to keep their kids from falling prey to whatever the left is pushing this week?

    2. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      OK shit for brains, how is having a book on the shelf in itself "knowingly and intentionally exposing a minor"? Now if the librarian is recommending gay porn books to 10 year olds, that clears the bar but just having it on the shelf does not.

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Agreed. Not to mention aren't people on the right able to raise a kid well enough to avoid this leftist bullshit? I don't even have a supernatural being on my side and I kept my kid from going left.

    3. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      And in New York misgendering someone is a crime punishable by a significant fine as well. The left and right love to play this game. It's political tennis.

  14. Naime Bond   1 year ago

    '...giving the most conservative parents, politicians, or administrators the power ...' No. It gives ALL parents the same power and opportunity to intercede when they believe it to be in their children's best interest. You have to be mentally deranged not to understand that.

  15. jimc5499   1 year ago

    Simple solution. Anything in a school library shouldn't contain any passage that cannot be read into the minutes at a School Board meeting. Several people have been removed from School Board meetings because they tried to read an excerpt from the book that they were complaining about. The reason for their removal was that the excerpt was "obscene".

    1. SRG2   1 year ago

      But of course there'd be a speshul exemption for the Bible. Or else there'd be a bowdlerised version.

      1. DesigNate   1 year ago

        As a Christian, I don’t see the need for the Bible to be in elementary or middle school libraries.

        1. Minadin   1 year ago

          As a non-Christian, I think you could make an argument in using the Bible or the Koran or any other number of religious texts with regard to a specific religious studies curriculum offered as an elective or series of electives.

          But, I also wouldn't feel strongly if a public school decided not to offer that, either.

      2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

        Is there any part of the Bible where you'd be arrested for reading it in a school board meeting?

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          No, but there are parts of the Bible that wouldn't be read into the minutes. Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

          1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

            That would be read I to the minutes just fine.

        2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

          Oh yes. There's some just shy of 50 Shades of Grey stuff in the Christian Bible. Taken out of context they would get the book banned from an elementary school.

      3. CLM1227   1 year ago

        This is such a false equivalence and smacks of ignorance or malicious misdirection.

        I’ve read the Bible and I’ve read romance novels. Talking about sex IS NOT THE SAME as explicit descriptions of sexual acts. These are not the same thing. Onan spilling his seed is not anywhere near the level of explicitness in a Brownwyn Scott novel… or the books having been read out loud at the school board meetings.

        But still, parents DO curate the Bible for their kids through the use of children’s bibles.

        And no one is reading the Bible at school board meetings and I’m not even certain the Bible is even available in school libraries, in children’s curated form or otherwise. My kids have never brought home and books from the library that are even tangentially Christian. No ZonderKids books in the school library.

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          Onan is but one minor example. (BTW without your looking it up, why was Onan punished? Chances are you're wrong.)

          And it's not talking about sex. It was sex.

          Also, just because the Bible has euphemisms, like "knew his wife" or "laid at his feet" doesn't mean it's not about sex.

          The problem is that to defend the Biblical passages that are explicit about sex (and violence too) you have to talk about context, but once you allow that as an argument, you're compelled to accept the context argument about other books. When it comes to school libraries, the Bible should not be a special case. But it will be,

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            You're so incredibly fucking disingenuous. Are there sophistry lessons for fifty-centers or something?

            A comic of a kid sucking off a man, or detailed instructions on how to stick a dick in someone's anus, are in no way the equivalent of a religious book saying "and they had sex".

            A make no mistake, the examples I just gave are by no means the most egregious of the perverted pedophilic shit you Democrats are pushing. Would you like citations? Because I've got examples of shit that was in curriculums and school libraries that would make even Buttplug blush.

            This isn't the 90's with the Moral Majority protesting swears in Hip-hop. We're not talking about church ladies ranting about condoms here. We're talking about actual hardcore sexual descriptions and imagery, including adult-child sex, foreign-object anal insertions and zoophilia.

            So take you're false equivalence and stuff it up your ass in the same manner as some of your "children's books" advocate.

            1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

              A comic of a kid sucking off a man, or detailed instructions on how to stick a dick in someone’s anus, are in no way the equivalent of a religious book saying “and they had sex”.

              A make no mistake, the examples I just gave are by no means the most egregious of the perverted pedophilic shit you Democrats are pushing. Would you like citations? Because I’ve got examples of shit that was in curriculums and school libraries that would make even Buttplug blush.

              Not to mention that, sexual perversions entirely aside, everyone from the current POTUS to the media has been telling us for more than a decade that kids don’t belong to their parents.

              Just like with a gun registry, it is, in part, a stalking horse. They want to control everything about your kids and if that means they have to neuter a few of them and let pedophiles abuse them, well, that’s when they’ll give you the proverbial eggs/omelette reasoning.

              1. mad.casual   1 year ago

                Not to mention that, sexual perversions entirely aside, everyone from the current POTUS to the media has been telling us for more than a decade that kids don’t belong to their parents.

                FFS, a guy just lit himself on fire because of "genocide". Imagine if Israel said told Palestinians "Your children don't belong to you."

            2. BYODB   1 year ago


              This isn’t the 90’s with the Moral Majority protesting swears in Hip-hop.

              You mean Al Gore's wife? Last I checked, he was a Democrat and so was she.

              1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                She may have been the face of it but plenty of right wing Christians crossed party lines to join in the fun.

                1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

                  right wing Christians

                  You mean like Hillary Clinton and her war on violent video games, right?

                  Again, Bill Maher, your sly “KKKRISTO-FASHISTS!” retardation doesn’t work any more. You won the battle over Christian values and proceeded to impose or at least turn a blind eye to an oppressive religious neo-puritanism that would’ve impressed Torquemada.

                  The more you guys keep pretending like the dark night of Christian Fascism is descending after Scopes v. Tennessee got overturned, Hustler v. Falwell was decided in Flynt’s favor, and everybody has relatively unfettered access to gigatons of porn from the device in their pocket the more retardedly out of touch with reality you look.

                  As Chesterton suggested, you stopped worshiping God and started worshiping the narrative you’ve been fed by Government/Science/Media complex that you built (with Christian undertones even) in his place.

                  1. mad.casual   1 year ago

                    And to be clear, I post this as someone who has a business interest in providing access to the gigatons of porn via phones. You guys are retards who continue to demonize Right Wingers for saying kids shouldn't be looking at porn in math class while your political "allies" steal platforms from you, literally telling you what messages to send, and strip you of not just your economic freedom, but your freedom to go outside and go to bars or adult bookstores or strip clubs, otherwise.

                    You guys aren't edgy or brave or even particularly intelligent. You're like psychosurgeons of the 50s shitting on your own false portrayals of how stupid Christians were for believing phrenology while espousing the benefits of transorbital lobotomies; at best, retardedly stupid and immoral, at worst, plain evil.

                    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                      I'm too old to even try for edgy. All my edges have been dulled by life and now I sit back and try to save the world for the grandchildren.

                      Sure, now you guys aren't on top. Bit that will change, the left has shot its wad and will soon start backsliding. Eventually your side will be in real power. What will you do? Ignore your holy books and base decisions on reason and logic? Probably not.

                      You will wind up doing what centrists and leftists fear which will motivate them to drive you out and take the nation even farther than they have now. Each swing of the pendum taking us more and more extreme.

          2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

            Do you know what the definition of “explicit” is? It is not “knew his wife”. Holy crap

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              We need a stronger word for disingenuous here, uber-disingenuous, acme-disingenuous... something...

            2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

              I'd say Lot offering daughters up to be raped and then later his daughters getting Lot drunk and having sex with him and getting pregnant it pretty risqué.

              1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                What the Bible does say:
                " Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
                So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof"...
                ...Now the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man on the earth to come in to us as is the custom of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.”

                What the Bible doesn't say:
                "Lot lifted up his daughters skirt to show her nubile young ass to the crowd of aroused men. "Come and get her boys, she's just nineteen". But the men weren't interested, they'd seen the uncanny, muscular beauty of the two visiting men, and had different fun in mind."
                "Soporaf ran her fingers across her father's chest as he lay in his drunken stupor. Sensually and slowly she moved her hand down to his..."

                There's a world of difference between saying an event occurred and describing it in detail with eroticism. The Bible is the former, the school library materials are the latter.

                To compare the two is disingenuous.

                1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                  So rape and incest are fine topics for a book in a library as long as they don't come with pictures and aren't written in contemporary English.

                  1. CLM1227   1 year ago

                    I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings is not being banned.

                    And that features child molestation, rape, and incest. With more descriptive language.

                    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                      So why is gay shit so bad then?

                  2. CLM1227   1 year ago (edited)
  16. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

    "It's the right and proper job of public schools to teach young children about eroticism" is a hill I never thought I'd see anyone willing to die on. But the whole democrat party seems to be on it. It's amazing.

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      lol they split us by gender just to talk about ovaries.

    2. shadydave   1 year ago

      Just a specific type of eroticism. Cisgender eroticism is verboten.

    3. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      Not just the Democrats, but a disturbing number of people who say they're libertarians are also all-in on this.

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        The distinguishing factor is their religiosity. Strongly devout Christians fall on the ban it side while those who aren't religious fall on the why does it matter side.

        1. BYODB   1 year ago

          I invite you to go to a major U.S. city, find yourself some people who dislike religions of all kinds, and then show pornographic images to their children.

          If nothing else, we won't see you posting here again.

          1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

            I'm not saying I want to show kids porn. I was just a good enough father that my son didn't turn into a leftist. Can't you religious types trust your Sunday school indoctrination to keep your kids from turning into leftists?

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              They have two thousand years of doing it successfully from Diocletianic Persecution lows to Crusader highs.

              1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                This is what I don't get, mostly the opposition to this is from the religious types because they think every damn thing is a sin.

                Their kids spend years being indoctrinated into a series of beliefs, they claim a supernatural big sky daddy who cares about them. They claim all morality comes from the study of their holy book, well not the parts about killing disobedient kids, selling daughters to their rapists and other bronze age idiocy. With all that going for them they feel the need to have the government step in and protect their children from some secular bullshit?

                If I knew it was so easy to break all that indoctrination with a few dirty pictures I'd have become a writer of children's books to turn kids away from their religion.

        2. mad.casual   1 year ago

          Strongly devout Christians fall on the ban it side while those who aren’t religious fall on the why does it matter side.

          He says while ENB, right above, effectively says that taking taxpayer dollars and doing anything but putting this material in schools is a blow to federalism and free speech.

          Fucking retard.

        3. Incunabulum   1 year ago

          I'm an atheist and

          1. There is no ban.

          2. I'm ok with defining 'age appropriate' to not mean 'pornography in middle school libraries'.

          1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

            Are you religious?

            1. mad.casual   1 year ago

              ^Tell me you're not atheists, but zealously anti-relgious without saying "I'm not atheist, I'm zealously anti-religous."

              You would take offense to someone asking you "Are you baptized?" or "Have you accepted Jesus into your heart?" on the internet and act like their a Christian zealot, right? Then what the fuck is this "Sure, you *say* you're an atheist but *I'll* bet the judge of when you pass *my* purity test!" idiotic zealotry.

    4. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

      My favorite part is the self-beclowning way we went from screeching ‘”Abstinence is the best policy” doesn’t work! We have to give teens contraceptives, and teach them about STDs and buttsex!’ while pointing at teen parent numbers to “We have to teach kids about medically-sanctioned genital mutilation (don’t say Monkeypox)!”… while abstinence is climbing and abortion and teen pregnancy numbers have plummeted.

      As if sex ed, for the last ~50 yrs., has been nothing but AWFLs and incel feminists running around without a clue screeching about their hair being on fire.

      Like, when we do hit “Peak Oil” suddenly environmentalists will be shouting that we need to conserve oil, but not to keep people from freezing or keep live saving materials from moving between point A and point B, but for some retarded, tangentially relevant reason like we’ll need it to keep the windmills lubricated and ice free.

      1. SRG2   1 year ago

        Does abstinence ed work? Have you the data to back it up?

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          abstinence has 100% success rate.

          1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

            But telling kids to abstain does not.

            1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

              It's worked so far for my son. He's in college now and doesn't really have any overwhelming drive to fuck every female he sees.

              1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

                Well then, obviously that means that telling kids to abstain is always effective, and that's why no girl who has been told that has ever gotten pregnant.

                1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

                  No, what it proves is a well raised child with a good relationship with his/her parents can resist the pressure from media pushing sex with everything.

                  Jordan Peterson talks a lot about the child's relationship with their father as a positive influence on the child having a strong ethical code.

                  What I'm talking about is how parental failures are the root of these social ills. If your child is a rutting animal then it's not the fault of the schools. It's your fault.

          2. mad.casual   1 year ago

            And all the STD and buttsex talks did nada compared to online gaming, porn, and convincing teen girls they were failures if they didn't die in a house full of cats with at least 6 figures in the bank.

  17. DesigNate   1 year ago

    “But there’s an exception to all this for “any public library operated by the state or any of its political subdivisions [and] any library operated as a part of any school, college, or university.””

    Any law that criminalizes the citizen, while exempting the government from the same action, should be carefully examined.

  18. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    1. This was already a done deal - its very settled law that no one has to stock a particular book and that schools have control over the books the school provides and that parents have control over the schools.

    2. Why the fuck do people keep bringing up 'academic freedom' here? Public schools are not universities, public schools have never had 'academic freedom' - because public schools are not venues for research and free exchange of ideas. They're *basic educational institutions*.

    3. Remember when you said you didn't want schools to be allowed to teach Creationism? Sauce for the goos and all that.

    4. Instead of whining about public schools not teaching your preferred curricula (which, for some reason, you want filled with anal sex) why not get back to libertarian roots and resurrect the argument about how schooling should all be private instead?

    5. Because all you're doing right now, ENB, is arguing over which side of the culture war controls education. You've abandoned the idea that individuals should be able to control their own educational choices.

    1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      And no 'schools should stock age-inappropriate sexual material in order to allow students to control their own education' is not a valid argument.

      No one's stopping those kids from going outside the school to educate themselves. Something you'd think a libertarian would be encouraging.

  19. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    So apparently I got shadow banned or something. Had to make a new account to post.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      I blame you for using your VPN to post from Russia.

  20. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    How does restricting the availability of a book in a *SCHOOL LIBRARY* make it more difficult for an adult to access? Adults who *WOULD NOT BE USING THE SCHOOL LIBRARY?*

    1. skeptical scientist   1 year ago

      Some of the laws discussed apply also to public libraries or more generally, such as to museums.

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        How many times a month do you go to your local library? I haven't been inside a public library in... 3 years I think. Before then it was to use their 5 cent a page printer. I haven't checked out actual books since I stopped being broke all the time.

        1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

          My library system has an amazing selection of blu-rays and dvds. Better than what Netflix had. I already pay taxes to support it so I take full advantage. I take out fewer books as I find it harder to read nowadays unless I'm in full daylight.

      2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

        Ok. Then people need to find their sexual materials in public libraries and museums?

  21. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

    Given the level of abstraction ENB goes on about in this article, I do not see where she would accept that there is any reading material that is too spicy for any given age group for children. It seems that she writes at a very abstract level to avoid describing what the objectionable material in the "banned" books are and what age children they were being made accessible to.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Given the level of abstraction ENB goes on about in this article, I do not see where she would accept that there is any reading material that is too spicy for any given age group for children.

      You never know when a 1st grader might have to solve a gruesome murder or perform an autopsy, we should expose them to such material as early as possible. While we're at it, if the kid gets excitable from the autopsy material, we should keep that information from the parents, lest they stifle the child's social and emotional development.

  22. Bill Dalasio   1 year ago

    Under current West Virginia law, "any adult who knowingly and intentionally displays obscene matter to a minor could be charged with a felony....That law contains an exemption for "bona fide schools, public libraries, and museums,"

    Am I the only person here not particularly bothered by this? Saying that Joe Blow on the street is a felon for doing action X, but a guy spending tax dollars to do action X is exempt seems pretty deranged.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Yeah so any adult at any school can "knowingly and intentionally display obscene matter to a minor". Seems like they should have revised that a long time ago.

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Saying that Joe Blow on the street is a felon for doing action X, but a guy spending tax dollars to do action X is exempt seems pretty deranged.

      Somewhat coincidentally, this is a rather condensed version of how healthcare works.

      Were you not here for the whole "100% safe and effective" v. "horse paste" debate? It really sorta beclowns ENB's fretting that the media and free speech would be chilled.

  23. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

    Well considering the reported literacy rates of our public school graduates this entire discussion may be academic (ha). But as others have noted these laws are a reaction to the transgender cultist's pervasive movement to sexualize pre adolescent kids. Teenagers will always find access to porn if they want to. The point of making "gender queer" available to 4th graders is not to titillate them. It is to recruit them. How do we know this? Because that's what they are explicitly telling us. States have always restricted minor access to adult materials. This reflects societal norms. They may be enforced in an anti libertarian manner but as long as adults are free to make their own choices it's not a hill I'd want to die on. And oddly I've yet to see ENB advocate for a 12 year old's right to buy cigarettes and Jack Daniels. But she's cool if the state gives them instruction on anal sex.

    1. XM   1 year ago

      Exactly. There's no argument for allowing 4th graders or even junior high kids to read about explicit gender queer books. Religious texts and propaganda like Mein Kempf or Communist Manifesto should be allowed (despite graphic or hateful content) in for educational purposes, not indoctrination.

      The moral confusion of the left never ceases to amuse me. They want Shakespeare banned in colleges, cry out for literal safe spaces for adults, form mobs against college speakers, but they want little kids to have unlimited access to explicit materials.

    2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      Cigarettes, Jack Daniels, and anal sex. Takes me back to sleepovers in sixth grade...

  24. skeptical scientist   1 year ago

    Parents and regulators would do well to remember the default alternative source of “sex ed” material for teens in 2024 is internet pornography. If we don’t want our kids learning about sex that way, it is incumbent on us to ensure healthier sources of material are readily available.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

      Standard Internet porn is healthier than some of the stuff I’ve seen in schools

    2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      Which is a valid argument.

      It's just that the stuff being peddled right now in schools isn't safe or healthy.

  25. Think It Through   1 year ago

    basically any books that discuss sexual feelings or acts beyond kissing will be off limits.

    my knickers are still untwisted and I didn't bat an eye.

    (In other words I'm fine with this.)

  26. Liberty_Belle   1 year ago

    This reminds me of hearing my mother talk about how they clutched pearls at the thought of girls reading sex ed books that had pictures of female anatomy in it. She went to an all girls Catholic school and they went to the trouble of selecting books with no male pictures in it, but still there were Karens on the school board who insisted that knowing about your own reproductive system was taboo somehow.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Yeah, that's totally the same as narratives (and instructions) for anal sex in the K-6 library.

      1. Liberty_Belle   1 year ago

        Yes, because that is totally a thing that is happening right now from coast to coast, rampantly in every K-6 library as far as the eye can see.

        Thine argument is made of straw.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          It absolutely fucking is. How many examples would you like, because there are thousands.

          Here's an article replete with pictures from the textbooks of kids wanking. The newspaper article linked blurs the children's genitalia, the textbook doesn't.
          Twelve-year-olds are being taught about anal sex in school while nine-year-olds are told to 'masturbate' for homework

          More elementary school textbook porn here: Porn textbooks and sex assignments

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            German daycares are setting the trend for you guys of course:

            Daycares introduce "sexual exploration rooms" with rules for children to "pet and explore each other" while nude

            How much do you want? This isn't good for anyone except Buttplug's blood pressure, but the examples are almost limitless.

            1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

              Why does it matter if you've done a good job of raising your kids?

          2. Liberty_Belle   1 year ago

            The newspaper article linked blurs the children’s genitalia, the textbook doesn’t.
            Twelve-year-olds are being taught about anal sex in school while nine-year-olds are told to ‘masturbate’ for homework

            Since when do I live in the UK ? What does this have to do with USA ?

      2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        Anal sex needs instructions? How stupid are these kids. I pretty much had it figured out right after hearing the term. It's self explanitory.

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          Scouting used to handle that.

        2. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

          How stupid are these kids. I pretty much had it figured out right after hearing the term. It’s self explanitory.

          ^Tell me you aren’t a parent or learned about sex and anal sex in your 30s without saying “I’m not a parent and/or learned about sex and anal sex in my 30s.”

          Again, you continue to beclown yourself with how genuinely or performatively out of touch you are. Almost like you’re a sock or someone who switched handles to gain credibility and are now sliding back into your own stupidity…

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Needs more Comstock.

    3. Bill Falcon   1 year ago

      Gay pedo sex is not appropriate for any public school library. Zero tolerance for these degenerates..

      1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

        So you fight it and establish your side as the crazy religious fanatics driving moderate voters toward the left.

        Is this really ground worth dying on?

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    State lawmakers are getting creative in their attempts to HELP PARENTS control what young people read.

    FIFY

    And progressive socialists can piss off, and shove their indoctrination efforts up their collective ass, and learn to buy their own books.

  28. Roger Wilco   1 year ago

    Back when I was a yoot, looking for the sexy parts was the only reason I read books.

  29. 901Tiger   1 year ago

    Books used for schools should be rated just like movies. G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17. If a parent wants their child to read a book in a rating they are not able to check out on their own, they can go to the school library and sign out the book for their child.

    1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      But the perverts and trannies would scream if their books received strong ratings. Third graders have a right to know how to bind their breasts and give good head.

      1. Bill Falcon   1 year ago

        Well said. What the hell is wrong with Reason? Reason needs some serious libertarians who understand virtual and morality and not pushing degeneracy to little kids. Pathetic Nick...what the hell happened to Reason?

        1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

          Reason tries to be a Libertarian publication. Not a religious right rag. The goal of Libertarians is to reduce the size and intrusiveness of government.

          You are advocating more government control. That's not a Libertarian position.

          1. Alphonse Gaston   1 year ago

            The government had all the control to begin with. Now parents want to control which explicit materials their kids can freely access. Or do you think raising children is primarily the state's responsibility?

    2. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      The movie rating system was a compromise to keep the congress out of the business of censoring movie content.

    3. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      You can just order the ebook off Amazon.

    4. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      Also, the MP rating system gave us PG13 and ruined movies forever.

      Let's not do that to literature.

  30. Bill Falcon   1 year ago

    JC what is wrong with Reason? You didn't have these issues until degenerates started to stock elementary school libraries. The downhill slope for all to see-Gemini AI saying MAP is normal as is pedos. But but but...morons like Ms. Brown and Reason buddies always seem to be in favor of "gay kids and confused mentally ill kids who are really the other biological sex and need support and guidance" starting in elementary schools with librarians who can guide them to "educational support" books. BS. The folks pushing this are in support of grooming.

    Librarians are from the English Lit world which used to be economic marxists and now the leading pushers of "queer/cultural Marxism" theory.

    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      It's not the government's job to raise your kids for you. It's your job. If they are falling for this leftist garbage clearly you screwed up as a parent. Why do you think the Libertarian position should be for more government interference in the parent child relationship?

    2. Alphonse Gaston   1 year ago

      I have no problem with explicit materials being in public libraries, because that gives parents the chance to see what their kids are reading. But schools are walled off from parents.

  31. Apollonius   1 year ago

    You have to be a special kind of stupid -- or a groomer -- to think that depictions of sadomasochism belong in 3rd grade school libraries.

    1. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

      I think schools and their libraries need to be shut down. With the shit job schools do at education I've no doubt they will fuck up teaching blowjobs and ass fucking.

  32. Pear Satirical   1 year ago

    I'd like to point out that the content in these books is so graphic that it cannot be read out loud at school board meetings. Yet it's appropriate for children? Someone try and square that circle.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Lots of the regular suspects above have tried, but some are still pretending it's just about schools "talking about sex" and biological descriptions, rather than the actual porn.

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago

        pretending it’s just about schools “talking about sex” and biological descriptions

        And, again, as much if not more, about aligning schools with the "Your children don't belong to you." narrative and up-translating that with the "Eat bugs. Live in pods. Own nothing. Be Happy." policy.

        The global elite who can't win women's rights in a nation they occupied for 20 yrs. and who appease regimes that trade in slaves, sexual or otherwise, while throwing homosexuals off of roofs; knows best how to teach your kids the values they need to know.

  33. AT   1 year ago

    State lawmakers are getting creative in their attempts to control what young people read.

    Tell you what Liz. I'll take your position seriously and give the argument serious consideration if you can answer one very simple "yes or no" question for me.

    No waffling, no vacillating, no changing the subject, no attempting to redirect. Just check one of the two boxes:

    □ Yes, elementary schools should have a catalog of Penthouse, Hustler, Playgirl, and Bound&Gagged magazines available for browsing and checkout.

    □ No, elementary schools should not have a catalog of Penthouse, Hustler, Playgirl, and Bound&Gagged magazines available for browsing and checkout.

    Whichever you checked, please write a few sentences as to why you chose it, containing your response solely to those specified magazines.

    Here, you can even copy/paste the checkbox for your selection: ☑️

    I'll wait.

  34. TJJ2000   1 year ago

    Just more of the many ?blessings? of having Commie-School and Commie-libraries to begin with.

  35. NOYB2   1 year ago

    States Try To Strip Sex From Literature in Libraries, Schools These aren't outright bans. But they still can chill free speech and academic freedom.

    Taxpayers pay for libraries and schools, and librarians, teachers, and professors comply with taxpayer wishes or get fired.

    No, you don't get academic freedom.

  36. Edmund Burke's Hastings spy   1 year ago

    States are in no way 'trying to strip sex..." How untinking of you.
    EVERY parent censors children on many fronts and no one takes your view of it. Besides your posts seem to always take the Hillary route: If I buy a book on gay sex and I have limited funds then I am necessarily NOT buying another book that is not about gay sex. It becomes only a question of where is $x best spent.

    You want perv literature, donate it with your dough.

  37. Alphonse Gaston   1 year ago

    Facebook still gives my nephew a timeout every time he uploads a couple pages from Genderqueer. So I have to conclude there is a broad consensus on what materials are not suitable for children.

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