Trump's Alleged Defiance and Deceit Distinguish His Handling of Secrets From Biden's
Unlike Biden's conduct, Special Counsel Robert Hur notes, the document-related charges against Trump feature "serious aggravating facts."

If Joe Biden will not be prosecuted for mishandling classified material, why does Donald Trump face 40 felony charges based on conduct that looks broadly similar? It is a question that Trump's supporters were bound to ask after Special Counsel Robert Hur, formerly a Trump-appointed U.S. attorney, released his findings about Biden last Thursday. But Hur's report includes important details that plausibly explain the contrasting outcomes in these two cases. Although Biden's embarrassingly hypocritical lapses belie his avowed concern about safeguarding material that could compromise national security, the evidence of criminal intent is much stronger in Trump's case.
When Trump left the White House in January 2021, he took thousands of presidential records, including more than 300 marked as classified. The superseding indictment released by Special Counsel Jack Smith last July lists 32 of the latter, each of which is the basis for a charge under 18 USC 793(e). That provision applies to someone who "willfully retains" national defense information when he "has reason to believe" it "could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation."
Hur's report focuses on two types of records that Biden retained after serving as vice president: 1) "documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan" that were marked as classified and 2) "notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods." FBI agents found both types of material in "the garage, offices, and basement den" of Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware.
"Contemporaneous evidence suggests that when Mr. Biden left office in 2017, he believed he was allowed to keep the notebooks in his home," Hur writes. Biden took the same position in an interview with Hur's office, saying "his notebooks are 'my property' and that 'every president before me has done the exact same thing,' that is, kept handwritten classified materials after leaving office." In particular, he cited "the diaries that President Reagan kept in his private home after leaving office, noting that they included classified information."
Hur does not agree with Biden's understanding of the law. "If this is what Mr. Biden thought, we believe he was mistaken about what the law permits," he says. But he adds that Biden's position "finds some support in historical practice." The "clearest example," he says, is "President Reagan, who left the White House in 1989 with eight years' worth of handwritten diaries, which he appears to have kept at his California home even though they contained Top Secret information."
Yet as far as Hur could tell, neither the Justice Department nor any other federal agency took steps to "investigate Mr. Reagan for mishandling classified information or to retrieve or secure his diaries." Hur concludes that "most jurors would likely find evidence of this precedent and Mr. Biden's claimed reliance on it, which we expect would be admitted at trial, to be compelling evidence that Mr. Biden did not act willfully."
What about the Afghanistan documents that were marked as classified? The strongest evidence of Biden's intent regarding them is a remark he made during a recorded conversation with his ghostwriter in February 2017, the month after he left office. Discussing a 2009 memo he had written in opposition to a troop surge in Afghanistan, Biden noted that he had "just found all the classified stuff downstairs." At the time, Biden was renting a home in Virginia, which he kept until 2019. Assuming he was talking about the Afghanistan documents that the FBI later found in Wilmington, which is likely but not certain, that comment shows Biden knew the material was classified. But Hur notes defenses Biden could raise against a charge based on that admission.
"Mr. Biden could have found the classified Afghanistan documents at his Virginia home in 2017 and then forgotten about them soon after," Hur writes. "When Mr. Biden told his ghostwriter about finding 'all the classified stuff downstairs,' his tone was matter-of-fact. For a person who had viewed classified documents nearly every day for eight years as vice president, including regularly in his home, finding classified documents at home less than a month after leaving office could have been an unremarkable and forgettable event. Notably, the classified Afghanistan documents did not come up again in Mr. Biden's dozens of hours of recorded conversations with the ghostwriter, or in his book. And the place where the Afghanistan documents were eventually found in Mr. Biden's Delaware garage—in a badly damaged box surrounded by household detritus—suggests the documents might have been forgotten."
That explanation, Hur says, is reinforced by the fact that Biden's memory "was significantly limited, both during his recorded interviews with the ghostwriter in 2017" and "in his interview with our office in 2023." Hur alludes to Biden's difficulty in remembering things several times, saying a jury might view him as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." Although that characterization is politically damaging, it would be extenuating in the context of a charge under 18 USC 793(e).
Hur notes that Biden's "cooperation with our investigation, including by reporting to the government that the Afghanistan documents were in his Delaware garage, will likely convince some jurors that he made an innocent mistake, rather than acting willfully—that is, with intent to break the law—as the statute requires." The documents "could have been stored, by mistake and without his knowledge, at his Delaware home since the time he was vice president, as were other classified documents recovered during our investigation."
One of Biden's notebooks, marked as "Af/Pak 1," contained his handwritten 2009 memo on the troop surge. Biden "initially said he was not aware that he had kept the Thanksgiving memo after his vice presidency" but later conceded that "I guess I wanted to hang onto it for posterity's sake." Two other notebooks contained documents marked as classified, but Hur concludes that "the evidence does not suggest either that Mr. Biden retained the classified documents inside them willfully, or that the documents contain national defense information."
Hur also discusses "nine documents with classification markings" that were found in Biden's office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington, D.C. At the same location, the FBI also found "a set of handwritten notes" that were "potentially classified."
Hur says "there is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden intentionally retained the classified documents" about the Iran nuclear deal that were found in an "eyes only" envelope. Rather, "the evidence supports an innocent explanation for the unauthorized retention of those documents." Biden and his staff "appear to have eventually forgotten about" that envelope, which was "unwittingly moved…out of the West Wing at the end of the administration." Hur likewise found "insufficient evidence to support charging Mr. Biden for the retention of the other marked classified documents recovered from the Penn Biden Center."
Finally, Hur discusses "just over a dozen" classified documents that were found at the University of Delaware among Biden's papers from his time as a senator. "Almost all of these documents predate the Senate's establishment of rules for the tracking and handling of classified information," Hur writes. "The evidence does not suggest that Mr. Biden willfully retained these documents. Rather, they appear to have been included in his large collection of Senate papers by mistake."
In addition to Biden's notebooks, Hur lists fewer than 100 "recovered documents" that either were marked as classified or included classified information. That represents about a third of the classified documents that the FBI says Trump took with him when he left the White House. While Biden's documents span decades, Trump's trove came from his single term as president. But when it comes to criminal liability, the raw numbers are less important than how the retention of sensitive material came to light and how Biden and Trump responded to that discovery.
"With one exception, there is no record of the Department of Justice prosecuting a former president or vice president for mishandling classified documents from his own administration," Hur notes. "The exception is former President Trump." And while "it is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump," he says, there are "several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's."
Notably, those "material distinctions" have nothing to do with Trump's authority as president to declassify documents—a point frequently raised by his defenders. Unlike Trump, they say, Biden had no such authority as vice president. But whatever you make of Trump's claim that the documents he took were "automatically declassified," whether through a "standing order" or simply "by thinking about it," it is a red herring in the context of charges under 18 USC 793(e), which does not refer to classification at all. The relevant questions under that provision are whether the information in those documents was potentially damaging to national security, whether Trump should have recognized that, and whether he nevertheless "willfully" retained them.
In any case, the charges against Trump go beyond that statute. Unlike "the evidence involving Mr. Biden," Hur writes, "the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
That alleged conduct underlies eight additional felony charges against Trump. "In contrast," Hur writes, "Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation." Trump's alleged defiance and deceit, in short, distinguish his conduct from Biden's: They suggest that Trump retained national defense information "willfully," as required for a conviction under 18 USC 793(e), and that he committed additional crimes to cover up the underlying offense.
Notwithstanding these significant differences, there is no disputing that Biden's carelessness blatantly contradicts his criticism of Trump's "totally irresponsible" behavior. "Asked about reports that former President Trump had kept classified documents at his own home," Hur notes, "Mr. Biden wondered how 'anyone could be that irresponsible' and voiced concern about '[w]hat data was in there that may compromise sources and methods.'"
Biden made those comments in a 60 Minutes interview about a month after the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, where it found more than 100 classified documents that Trump had kept after assuring the Justice Department that he had returned everything in that category. Two months later, six days before the midterm elections, Biden's lawyers found "a small number of documents with classified markings" at his think tank office. The White House did not acknowledge that discovery until the following January, and thus began a series of revelations that expanded the number of searched locations and the number of retrieved documents.
"We found a handful of documents were filed in the wrong place," Biden said in January 2023, taking refuge in the passive voice. "I think you're going to find there's nothing there." The next day, the FBI found additional classified documents at his house.
Hur plausibly concluded that criminal charges against Biden were not appropriate because there was insufficient evidence that he "willfully" retained documents he was not supposed to have. But that does not let Biden off the hook for repeatedly violating the standard of care that he himself insists is essential to protecting national security.
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Because Trump knows what year it is?
The media has continually reminded us that Trump is crazy and Biden is perfectly healthy.
Further proof we can't believe what major media sources say about anything. If a network news report told me the sky was blue I'd have to go out and check.
Even this is too honest and straightforward.
Mainstream media has gotten so bad that when they tell me the sky is lavender, I know it's because they think Trump is guilty (and I don't have to go outside to check).
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https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-trump-forces-judge-to-grant-full-immunity-after-he-speaks-gibberish-and-shakes-hands-with-air
If Trump is crazy according to Hur his charges should be dropped.
Article presents an excellent excuse. The dual justice at work.
The law as written has no elements for the "differences" Sullum is rationalizing.
Imagine a Libertarian trying to distinguish elements outside of the law to gonafter someone they hate. Wait. Don't have to. Here it is.
Imagine a formerly Trump-appointed Republican special counsel doing the distinguishing and rationalizing.
Oh, wait. We don't have to.
Anyone who has had a Secret or above clearance knows that mishandling of classified material has nothing to do with intent. We all got the briefing. Biden was not even entitled to have it in the first place let alone stick in a garage, office, basement etc. The fact that when he got caught he did a "my bad" and gave it back has nothing to do with it.
If only he knew the difference between Nancy Pelosi and Nikki Haley. Or that WWII actually already happened.
Keep grasping moron.
"But whatever you make of Trump's claim that the documents he took were "automatically declassified," whether through a "standing order" or simply "by thinking about it," it is a red herring in the context of charges under 18 USC 793(e), which does not refer to classification at all."
No. It's not a red herring as that is the sole justification used to sell your excessive charges in the first place. Nobody would care if you guys hadn't peddled them as "classified". Certainly not the public or the courts.
These were his work documents, he didn't sneak into the CIA and rummage through the cabinets. Everyone still has some old papers they worked on at former jobs. If they weren't purportedly classified your political prosecution would go nowhere, Mr. Libertarian.
Can You READ, Oh Perfect Hyper-Partisan Bee-Yotch?!?!
"...Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
Except he didn’t. The NARA requests were always met in a timely manner. Every single fucking one of them. NARA even said so. Like with how Mar A Lago is supposedly only worth a couple of million, Jack Smith is
misrepresentinglying... so is MSDNC, so is Sullum and so are you, even if by omission.Yeah, yeah... The entire galactic cluster is full of evil liars! Everyone EXCEPT Perfect Moose-Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer is TOTALLY full of endless lies! SHIT IS KNOWN!!!!
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Since when is fighting things in court a crime?
Should every plea of not-guilty carry a charge of perjury and defamation against the defendant?
The standard applied to Trump is "yield to the demands of bureaucrats without question because filing a motion in court is considered criminal".
Is that what you want? In what circumstance does that resemble a justice system?
You’re talking about regime media here.
Justice systems only work if your guys get off and their guys get life sentances.
Bidens documents were so secure in a box next to the garage. Biden said he had "no regrets" about not disclosing before the November midterm elections the discovery of classified documents at a Washington, D.C., office he occupied after his vice presidency.
The destroyed evidence weee simply yoga and wedding planning documents
He had no classified documents because he declassified them when he was POTUS!
Are you just dense or so far into the progressive ass cavity that you don't know that intent makes no difference when it comes to classified material. As for Trump, he was arguing over whether or not what he had was declassified or not. The DOJ inspected his storage location several times and even suggested a new lock which Trump put on the door. IDK, a locked door in the middle of Mar-a-Largo guarded by security and Secret Service or a garage next to a corvette? Boy, that is a tough one. BTW: Brandon only gave them back when caught. We have no idea who had access to all that classified material including the stuff on Ukraine where Hunter wandered in and out or that China stuff at the Penn Center where China gave over $60,000,000.
Lemme help y’all out with why this is happening:
THEY ARE TRYING TO WEAKEN THE ELECTED OFFICALS POWERS - WHICH IS AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY
That represents about a third of the classified documents that the FBI says Trump took with him when he left the White House.
Where are the remaining documents?
The Pro-Soviet Trump team cannot be trusted.
Any bites, pedo?
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Hey Jan, shut the fuck up already.
LOL the village idiot with dementia can't tell the time of day or remember were he is and is a complete train wreck and you whine about Rump.
I heard they were on Hillary serves that somehow ended up like Epstein
If Joe Biden will not be prosecuted for mishandling classified material, why does Donald Trump face 40 felony charges based on conduct that looks broadly similar?
Because the bureaucrats demand it.
Unlike Trump, they say, Biden had no such authority as vice president.
There cannot exist any office in the executive branch with greater statutory authority than the President. Doing so unavoidably breaks the constitutional structure we have.
Otherwise, the CFPB and any other unit made by congress is also above the Presidency.
It's always the cover up.
Biden took the same position in an interview with Hur's office, saying "his notebooks are 'my property' and that 'every president before me has done the exact same thing,' that is, kept handwritten classified materials after leaving office."
But when Trump says "These are MY boxes," that's evidence that he's completely unhinged. Biden? Why, he's just a forgetful, nice old man who didn't know any better and thought he was justified in keeping things he thought were his own property.
That's (D)ifferent.
Very (D)ifferent.
Totally (D)ifferent
People wonder why Trump and his voter block say there is a witch hunt in play...
I think this article pretty much proves the witch hunt theory.
Why did they act differently about the boxes? Biden has been handled like a newborn baby every step of the way since he was in the Senate. Trump has been hounded like a mass murdering baby eater since before he got elected. That's why.
Sullum is a deranged de o rat shill. Period.
Because of the cover up, obviously.
What cover up?
There is no cover up in Ba Sing Se.
The difference is that Biden was not president when he took the documents, some of which were from his time in the Senate!
This is the bit that seems totally overlooked. They are pretending that Biden was President when he took those documents. He was not. He was Vice-President or a Senator, and as such he does not enjoy the same provisions afforded to the President.
It's willfully disingenuous at this point. They are outright lying.
Yes, Biden is President today but he was not when the crimes in question happened. In fact, that he wasn't President previously is indeed the reason why it was a crime in the first place.
Citing Raegan is an outright joke. All the other examples listed are former Presidents not former Vice-Presidents. An important distinction, one would think.
Expect Biden wasn't president than. Vice president's don't have that ability
After the Special Prosecutor report came out, Biden stood at a podium in front of the American people and materially lied about the facts of the case for 20 straight minutes, including claiming that all his documents were securely locked up when the report had PICTURES of classified documents in a cardboard box in the corner of Biden's garage. Apparently that doesn't count as deceit in TDS Sullum's eyes.
Go back to sucking Biden's wrinkly toes Sullum.
I did not have sex with that woman.
Oh wait, different Democrat, different dog and pony show for the public.
What is a woman?
As good as the meaning of “is”.
Yet as far as Hur could tell, neither the Justice Department nor any other federal agency took steps to "investigate Mr. Reagan for mishandling classified information or to retrieve or secure his diaries." Hur concludes that "most jurors would likely find evidence of this precedent and Mr. Biden's claimed reliance on it, which we expect would be admitted at trial, to be compelling evidence that Mr. Biden did not act willfully."
Trump wasn't allowed to rely on this same precedent.
Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
Didn't Hur's report include that there was evidence that was destroyed, ie, the recorded interviews in which Biden shared classified information with his ghost writer?
I'm also going to comment, quickly, on inserting the word "alleged" as a matter of form, but then just accepting the allegations as true to form a conclusion. It seems more appropriate if you're going to hedge on the truth of the allegations to equivocate just a bit with your conclusion.
Because really, Biden behaved differently than Trump because he's alleged to have behaved differently. If the allegations that Trump lied, hid evidence, tried to destroy evidence, etc, are false, then there actually is no difference between the two. Or if Biden did something similar but is not alleged to have done so, again there's no difference.
That is, the real difference is that Sullum believes all the allegations against Trump but doesn't believe there's something similar happening with Biden.
It's Differen(T).
Non sequitur here but whomever is the other guy who replied, forgive me I didn't mean to hit the fucking report button. I dont even know how I could, I swipe the left side. But anyhow, the damn thing fired off and you got reported.
There was literally zero reason to include any reference to the Trump situation as Hur was not tasked with investigating Trump and is irrelevant to his conclusions.
Also weird how he claims a jury would be sympathetic to Biden and not find him guilty while implying Trump is clearly guilty, despite the presumption of innocence before a trial
A prosecutor does not presume innocence. Their role is to determine whether a case could be made for guilt. It is the court and the jury that should presume innocence.
A prosecutors job isn't to get convictions it's to serve justice.
Yeah. With their near-unlimited resources, prosecutors are not supposed to take a prosecution lightly. They ignore that.
One of the examples in the Hur report is the FBI being shown journals with classified information, but Bidens lawyers refused to hand over the journals for a few days. Biden also held onto evidence.
Sure, but that's what the trial is for: to determine in a court of law if Trump did the criminal things he's "alleged" to have done.
Biden isn't facing a similar trial, not because he is alleged to have done things "differently", but because he is not alleged to have done things "criminally".
Obviously, a prosecutor has to "believe" a defendant has done something illegal (before trial) or no one would ever get charged with a crime.
The documents case isn’t criminal. It’s civil. There is no basis for it in criminal court. But since democrats have nothing. They have to invent this kind of crap.
NATO Leader Blasts Trump’s Suggestion He Would Encourage Russian Invasion of U.S. Allies
Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nato-leader-blasts-trumps-suggestion-he-would-encourage-russian-invasion-of-u-s-allies-3eb96a10
Vlad has always owned Donnie.
Trump wants NATO allies to actually contribute to NATO. This is unacceptable, of course, because the United States are supposed to just protect everyone without getting anything out of it.
I mean, honestly, what use is there in having allies who don’t maintain their own defense forces and don’t pay into a communal fund to help share the burdens of defending the alliance? They’re just liabilities, then. There’s nothing wrong with actually viewing an alliance through the lens of how it can be beneficial to the member nation.
What is America’s interest in fighting a war to protect Poland if Poland scraps all their military and doesn’t pay anything into Nato’s defense? Do we send young men over to die just to protect Polish independence on principle? (Not to say that Poland is the culprit because Poland actually is a NATO contributor, due to being seriously concerned about their own defense)
I mean, just approach this like a libertarian for a little bit. If a country is so unconcerned with being conquered that it doesn't defend itself, why does it require intervention from a third party?
If we’re gong to do that then these European countries should become possessions of the US and pay tribute for our protection. If not, they can pay as agreed for their protection
A century of Russian occupation would do the Germans a world of good.
Poland is a terrible example for your hypothetical scenario because they invested a whole ton into their defense lately.
Literally what I said, just used an example of a nation with a dangerous neighbor.
I'll continue this random rant because the problem is that Trump wasn't "tactful." He said something that wasn't very nice. It wasn't diplomatic, it wasn't politically considered.
That's what people like about him. He's frank. He's not nice. He's direct in a way that doesn't care if he pisses people off. He's quite happy to piss off people. That's why he's got supporters, he's not afraid to say something that's perhaps not advantageous to him to say out loud but you understand that he means it. And he does bluster and exaggerate and engage in hyperbole, which is seriously to his detriment, but he's willing to say something that gets him into trouble. I certainly wouldn't have said what he said if I were running for President, but that's probably why nobody would vote for me.
the problem is that Trump wasn’t “tactful.” He said something that wasn’t very nice. It wasn’t diplomatic, it wasn’t politically considered
Yes. To add - as always he is rash and ignorant.
Look he cancelled the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Iran because Obama fashioned it. Nuclear Armed Iran is due to Trump's ignorance.
He is an ignorant egomaniac.
Are you still pretending that Iran didn't immediately continue their nuclear program the day they signed the agreement as the CIA testified?
Not even Salon is peddling that horseshit any more.
Actually it's due to Obama and Biden. But who's using facts right?
Hey, remember when Trump paid Iran 6 billion. Yeah, no-one does.
You also realize that your Trump is Russia talk - has been so disproven you might as well be a flat earther. What is this you Adam?
He's an NYC asshole. Like a load obnoxious cab driver. Say what you will be tells you what's on his mind. I wouldn't want to have a beer with him and I think the way he has his steaks done is barbaric. But I like how he pisses the establishment hacks off.
Trump supposedly is quite fun in person. And certainly a lot more fun than either Biden or Obama.
It is obviously better to have an asshole thumb their nose at the establishment rather than bothering to elect someone with even the slightest interest in reforming that establishment.
Who’s willing to do that? Certainly not anyone on any of the major party tickets. And the Democrats are doing their damndest to eliminate smaller competitors who might .
People said the same thing about Boris Johnson. Such jolly good fun, saying whatever half-formed thought pops into your cranium!
Of course, when he was Foreign Secretary, his un-controlled mouth probably earned Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe five years in an Iranian prison, after he condemned her detention, but added that she was “simply teaching people journalism”.
Similarly, Russia is no doubt finding "aid and comfort" in Trump's anti-NATO comments.
Do yo masturbate to your "Putin owns Trump" fetish fantasy?
I’m guessing he also involves kiddie porn in that scenario.
As does Biden.
Uh huh. The "it's okay when we do it" defense. Always fun.
It's a political prosecution, period. That you can come up with a plausibly legal charge, doesn't change that it's being pursued only in an attempt to derail his run for the Presidency.
Spoken like someone who either didn't read the article or didn't understand it.
Or they read the article and found it disingenuous. Just because a writer says something and comes to certain conclusions doesn't mean the readers are forced to those same conclusions.
Besides, Sullum started with his conclusions long before he wrote the article.
I have no use at all for Trump, but trying to prevent Trump from running with this crap is offensive and dangerous.
How about the parts of the article quoting what Trump's guy, Special Counsel Robert Hur, said?
Is he in on the conspiracy, too?
Could be, plenty of Republican swamp creatures slithering around just the way you do.
Obviously because there's no reason for Hur to mention Trump at all.
I think you didn't read the article or understand it if that's your reply to shadydave.
The article is bullshit.
They shit out DNC talking points.
Hey look, more dishonest political hackery from one of Reason's resident marxists. When exactly did saint Obama return the fucking semitrailer loads of classified documents he stole? When exactly did senators and VPs get declassification authority? Oh right, you'll swallow any State lie as long as it protects Democrats eon't you Sullum.
That's (DDDDDD)ifferent!
DOJ: “We need those documents back Mister Trump.”
Trump:”I do what I want!”
DOJ: “We need those documents back Mister Biden.”
Biden: “What time is it? Where are we?”
Not sure which is worse.
What's worse is that the current President of the USA is a dementia case who doesn't know what time it is or where he is.
The same was said about Reagan.
Except that wasn’t true, and this IS true.
He did know the time when he misappropriated the classified documents.
Sarc also refuses to acknowledge that Biden shared classified information with a writer to profit off a book.
You would be hard pressed to make the case that Biden is more detached from reality than Trump. Neither are fit for office and having them as our options for president again is an affront to the country and rationality itself.
Indeed, neither is a good choice.
Unfortunately, "None of the Above" isn't running.
You're also peddling the Democratic Party narrative which doesn't coincide with NARA's.
Who are you going to believe? A shill for a vicious political party or a quasi-neutral government agency?
The shill makes a pretty good case. I mean CNN talking heads were repeating it. How much more evidence do you need?
Do the strawmen you attack even complain? I’d think they’d have unionized by now.
You’ve been voted Acme Strawman corporations salesman of the year, 5 years running!
Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode:
"The jerk store called...they're running out of you."
"What's the difference, you're their number one seller."
(not disagreeing with you, Vulgar, just wanted to harken back to a great Seinfeld episode.)
Fuck off sullum even your mother regrets your existance
Yes, there are differences between the Trump and Biden cases. But on espionage and illegal retention, Trump and Biden are the same. So, of the 40 charges, the only charge that you can apply to Trump but not Biden is obstruction of justice.
But even that is called into question because Trump had a reasonable and sincere belief that his retention of documents was legitimate.
Biden, on the other hand, lacked Presidential authority or privilege and, unlike Trump, was a long time insider who knew better. The only reason not to charge Biden is his senility and political considerations.
Sullum: you are a mindless leftist hack.
“But even that is called into question because Trump had a reasonable and sincere belief that his retention of documents was legitimate.”
It’s always the cover up that gets ya.
You can't be charged with "obstruction" of investigation of a non-crime you idiot.
That is literally why the entire case is doomed and Smith knows it's doomed , especially in florida where he also knows he has 0% chance of conviction in front of a jury there even if he somehow got it to trial, which he won't. Cope.
How can a man with a diminished, fucked up memory that is too fucked up to be puit on trial be POTUS?
25th anyone? I heard that all the time while POTUS Trump was in office.
Or is this (D)ifferent too.
There is a process for that.
Fortunately, it does not rely on cult dynamics to function.
First off, saying Trump appointed this particular political hack means nothing. Trump was surrounded by Repiblican Hacks who wanted to see Trump in prison as much if not more than the Democrats.
Second, digging up the corpse of Ronald Reagan to try and get his loyal followers on board this witch hunt is reprehensible. Not to mention Reagan brought a lot of bad California along with him to the White House.
Third, if somehow enough shit from these poop flinging apes sticks to Trump to shoot him down at the Convenrion THEN you will have Nicki "Dick Cheney in 3 inch pumps" Haley as the nominee. Just what the fucking Bomb Everyone Hawks want.
Fourth, what the fuck did Trump do to you? Did he steal your lunch money? Did he beat you up in front of the really cute person you wanted to date? Did he wet willy you or something? Seriously. What makes you hate the man that much?
But, but, but, Trump "always hires the best people"?
I don't know what Trump supporters you listen to but the very small number of Trump supporters I listen to... to a one say "Trump hires the worst people."
I would guess he doesn't listen to Trump supporters and primarily or only gets his "news" from Dem or Dem biased sources. So to him, he likely thinks people who support Trump (even tepidly) are all in a cult and believe Trump is perfect, as that is how the Dem sources portray anyone who would vote for Orange Hitler.
>Trump's Alleged Defiance and Deceit Distinguish His Handling of Secrets From Biden's
Sullum. The man took documents he wasn't legally allowed to take, stored them in unsecure locations - including locations his son - who is implicated in Chinese influence-peddling schemes - his son had access to, in addition to locations controlled by Chinese companies, stored them in boxes in the corner, *claims to have forgotten about them*, AND THEN SHARED CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WITH HIS BIOGRAPHER - but you believe him when he claims 'well, shucks fella, I was just so careless I left this information unsecured for decades, huyuck, huyuck, huyuck!'
**ANYTHING** to keep the Trump prosecution alive, right? Because them wallz r clozin in any moment now!!!111!!
Defiance has nothing to do with the law. As soon as Biden took classified information out of a secure space and stored them, he is guilty if the law.
Sullum doesn't care what the law is, just how to get trump.
Moreover, they aren't going to get anyone else for this either which, as I indicate below, pretty much makes a sham of the intelligence services.
All the layers of classification and safeguards, suits against domestic corporations because they fire foreigners per the security terms of their government contracts, but if somebody hands a bunch of documents to a dementia-addled old white guy who chucks them in his garage and blabs about them to his publicist well, he's just old and gets confused sometimes.
Sullum is reporting what Special Counsel Robert Hur has done and said.
Shockingly, your concerns were not shared by the Special Counsel appointed to assess the Biden documents case. Surprisingly, complaining to Sullum about it is probably not going to have much effect.
Why didn't Sullum just cut and paste the report, then? Why all the words and syllables to interpret it when we could just read the report ourselves?
Comey didn’t say that Hillary was innocent either. He just said no one would prosecute the laundry list of crimes she committed.
Hmm, I’m starting to sense a pattern here.
LOL... What a load of excusive BS.
So Reagan and Biden do the exact same for YEARS... YEARS... one not even having Presidential status.
Yet all of the sudden it's suppose to be criminal because ..... Trump!/s
I don't give a flying F that Trump didn't bow-down and worship his witch-hunters. The only reason Biden was even checked was because everyone knew it was just a witch-hunt on Trump to begin with.
It's always the cover up that gets 'em.
You can't "cover up" a non -crime you moron. Stop posting the same thing jover and over.
Starting to think his handle is actually ironic…
Jacob,
Do you think anyone outside the United States actually believes this propaganda?
Don’t you see the existential damage you’re doing to your country’s reputation with these sorts of lies? People who don’t like Trump, from the left to the right, from across the Global South to we in the rest of the West, CANNOT believe you and the American media's incessant misinformation. You will never recover from this.
Was there never a point when you cared about the truth? About justice? Weren’t you ever rendered upset when you found out someone had lied to you?
Which "lies" are you referring to? Reality?
Short list:
Covington Catholic
Kyle Rittenhouse
Very fine people
Drink bleach
Ivermectin is horse medicine
Lab leak is a conspiracy theory
January 6th is an insurrection
Fiery but mostly peaceful
Overfeeding the koi fish
Steele dossier
Biden not wearing a hard hat backwards
The vaccine prevents transmission
Inflation is transitory
Biden is not to blame for inflation
Nobody is mutilating kids
The fire alarm was a honest mistake
To be fair, no one ever said that the vaccine prevents transmission.
Is this satire? I heard it over and over again, even when it was clear it likely did not prevent transmission. There is a famous clip of Rachel Maddow repeating that line over and over again, from the beginning up until even as late as Summer 2021 (possibly later, but I haven't witnessed that). She was one of many.
The vaccine preventing transmission was the basis for mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports.
Not to mention Biden and his surrogates.
Why wouldn't the Presidential Records Act of 1978 supersede 18 USC 793, which dates back to 1950?
Trump apparently removed his documents lawfully from the White House to take them to Mar-a-Lago. Biden as Senator and VIce President occupied a very different status.
The central and legitimate grievances against Trump and Biden are that they held themselves to a high, unwritten standard of exemption from all the rules and procedures applicable to ordinary citizens. There would be a legitimate interest in having 18 USC 793 extend to the executive and judicial branches of government, if only it weren't for the Separation of Powers.
Is there a genuine case here at all? Or is this frivolous government litigation concocted as payback to Trump the Deranged Litigator?
I know, let's have a criminal proceeding in which such interesting legal arguments can be decided by the judiciary, according to the accepted practice?
No?
But not for Biden, because, we all know, he meant well, and it was just a clumsy accident. And clumsy accidents make you immune from prosecution.
Biden took the same position in an interview with Hur's office, saying "his notebooks are 'my property' and that 'every president before me has done the exact same thing,' that is, kept handwritten classified materials after leaving office."
Imagine for just a minute that Joe actually has dementia. That he didn't just confuse the fact that he's never been President before and never, yet, left office the way past Presidents left office.
Now imagine for a moment a sort of grotesquely fucked up situation where his handlers and the media decide to capitalize on it. Making things further unclear or even outright lying to him and others to set the lie in firmament. Disinforming their readers with historically impossible nonsense statements like "Carl Walther made handguns in East Germany the way Gaston Glock made handguns in Austria."
Just. Fucking. Evil.
What I’m learning in all of this is that the US President has absolutely no authority in our government.
Because Biden just haphazardly exists, he is innocent of asserting authority. Because Trump actually believed the Executive/Commander in Chief was an actual office and not merely decorative, he is guilty.
What I’m learning in all of this is that the US President has absolutely no authority in our government.
The intelligence services at pretty much all levels are a sham, that's for sure. Snowden, Manning... their issue wasn't the sharing/mishandling of classified secrets, it was not being a party member and/or not having dementia or selective amnesia.
While I despise both Trump and Biden, it is obvious that taking of classified documents by elected officials is commonplace. By all appearances going after Trump was a purely partisan. While embarrassing to Biden the reasoning that he is too senile to stand trial, this is a cop-out and attempt to continue the double standard.
By pressing the severity of the crime (Trump vs Biden), you are simply attempting to justify the double standard. Both men should be indited (probably all past presidents as well) if taking classified documents is the huge crime that has been expressed solely to take down Trump. The Anti-Trump crowd did not expect that they would have both Biden and Hillary Clinton having classified documents illegally.
Regardless of if Biden is too senile, he is the current President and should either stand trial or be remove from office. You can't argue both sides. Either Biden is senile or he is not. Clearly you need to be more sane to be President that you need to stand trial.
His senility only legally absolves him of accountability for his current actions. It is no shield for what he has been doing the last 15 years and longer
It is not a double standard; what Trump did which is significantly different than Biden was cover up and obstruct justice. Normally, when you do that, the entire book gets thrown at you. It's so unfair!
YOU CANNOT "OBSTRUCT" A NON CRIME dummy.
Trump had every right to legally contest the CIVIL SUBPOENA he received but was raided because of documents he had UNDER GUARD and LOCK AMD KEY. You okay with that ? Totally cool? Oh and Biden had those documents illegally , un guarded and poorly stored for 15 years, yet he was "cooperative"? F off you pathetic hack.
First, Trump was president. He had legal right to have classified documents in his possession while president. Biden, while senator and while vice president had no legal right to possess classified documents. That is the KEY point. Biden had those documents illegally before he became president. There is no other argument other than Biden possessed those documents illegally.
Second, Trump's documents were secured and he was in discussions with the federal government about them after he was out of office.
Contrast that with Biden's documents which were in several unsecured locations.
There is no doubt about any of those points above, contrary to the Biden gaslighters and apologists.
This is the point that goes unaddressed. Sullum mentions it above, but goes no further with it.
"Unlike Trump, they say, Biden had no such authority as vice president."
He talks about it only as what "trump's defenders" say. Well, is it true, or isn't it?
"Biden, while senator and while vice president had no legal right to possess classified documents. That is the KEY point. Biden had those documents illegally before he became president. There is no other argument other than Biden possessed those documents illegally."
You don't think Senators and Vice Presidents have the authority to possess such documents?
I would have thought he must have had the appropriate security clearances and government authority to "possess classified documents", but if someone as articulate and well informed as you says it's not true...
What about ex-senators and ex-VPs?
He had them while out of any elected office. If Trump can be immediately hounded and harassed for retaining documents in a secure location after having broad declassification authority then you should ask why Biden wasn't. Aside from those factors that already sway things in Trump's favor, a major question is how government agencies pursued the documents. Trump was treated with hostility and novel applications of the law and used legal channels to push back. Biden got kid gloves and coverups.
The cases are not the same and any honest review of the facts would find Trump's case has far more that questions any wrongdoing
Seriously, why does a purportedly libertarian continue to publish Sullum's TDS screeds?
Actually, Trump being POTUS distinguishes him from Biden being VPOTUS, or a fvckin Senator who isn’t allowed to take docs out of a SCIF, you disingenuous hack
With all this speculating about who has declassisifaction authority, marketing ng protocols and storage requirements, congress (the obes who are supposed yo make law) has not proposed any legislation to prevent future problems.
I think there are three reasons for that:
1. It would help the other party's guy;
2. It would make their own guy look bad; and
3. They would have to turn in their own classified documents.
In the meantime, the key takeaway here is that if you don't want to get indicted and charged with numerous document-related felonies, cooperate fully, don't cover up what you did, don't trick your own lawyers into lying for you and don't instruct other people to obstruct justice on your behalf.
Not covered by the media is that Biden delayed being interviewed for over a year, and only consented after Hur had cleared all questions to be asked with Biden's lawyer. That sure sounds like obstruction to me.
What part of "you can't 'obstruct' a non-crime" do you not understand lol. People have a RIGHT to contest a subpoena. But Joe Biden, for some unknown reason , thought having his main political rival raided was a great idea. That documents case against Trump is doomed.
See you in November, jackass.
Libertarians are just authoritarian Democrats wearing a funny hat.
Unlike Biden's conduct, Special Counsel Robert Hur notes, the document-related charges against Trump feature "serious aggravating facts."
Toooold youuuuu...
The citing of several aggravating factors between the Trump classified documents case and the Biden classified documents case are not only not convincing, but actually serve to highlight the bias of the investigator in this case. Hur certainly had the right to review precedent during his analysis of the Biden case before deciding whether to file charges, but in this case his conclusions were gratuitous and prejudicial.
You make no sense. Hur’s mention of Biden’s vegetative brain wasn’t gratuitous; it grounded his decision not to prosecute Biden.
Hur had to explain his decision to Garland. Since it was obvious that Biden willfully removed, retained and disclosed classified data, Hur had to justify doing nothing. He had some explaining to do.
His justification not to proceed was centered on the strength ( read: weakness) of establishing that willfulness-insofar as a prospective jury might weigh it.
Hur determined that a jury would likely acquit since Biden could offer a defense 1) mitigating the alleged willfulness by citing, essentially, his general stupidity on the nature or manner of the offenses or 2) of diminished mental capacity that accrues to old people. Or both.
Had Hur not cited Biden’s mental infirmity in his report, he’d have been left with just #1 above in his justification. That alone is weak sauce, so he underscored it by highlighting Biden’s mental state that best defines someone who belongs on a park bench feeding pigeons.
Also, I suspect he added it ( #2) less to appease Garland than to appease congress when he testifies before them.
How much did Soros pay you to spew out that stupidity?
Both of them made the same mistake. They should have stored their classified on an unsecured server in the basement.
Wow, that's some mental gaslighting.
Biden had documents from 2012 as vice president
Trump - a president kept documents and can declassify as he wants.
No bias here. Especially because, oh he didn't know the law or his old defense works for them
The fact that Biden complied with the government's request is not points for Gryffindor. Just as going back to the bank and putting all the money back where you found it does not absolve you of the crime (sorry about your teller, were you close?)
Maybe he's currently lost his marbles, but 8 years ago, he knew what he was doing. He's just as guilty as Trump, but he wasn't even President at the time, so no immunity. He only sees Hur's statements as insults, but it's the reason he isn't strung up so he should be happy.
I think people are missing the big picture. We all know that there was zero chance Biden was going to get rung up for anything. There is one system of justice in this country. Elites are not subjected to the laws as long as they are in the club and the rest of us get screwed over.
The real story here is that monumental meltdown of a press briefing Brandon gave and the news that his team had a copy of the report several days ago and threatened Hur to remove the mental incompetence stuff. I think Hur knew he wasn't going to charge Biden with anything, wouldn't be allowed, so threw in the mental derangement and gave the finger to Biden's Crew of misfits. Far more damage was done with that report and the press conference than recommendations for charges would ever have done.
Ah, if only I were an aesthete of secrecy and could talk about classified document retention the way wine snobs talk about grape juice!
They both thought they were legally entitled to take some docs with them. The only difference is that Trump stood his ground and said "No these are mine, and I want to keep them".
Sullum believes that this "defiance" is evidence of wrongdoing. But the opposite is likely true. Because if he resisted cooperation thinking that he was fighting for what was his, then that's not criminal intent. He may have been wrong to make that assumption, given now the Biden precedent, it's a moot point.
Trump, who's admittedly a narcissist, wanted to keep these docs as trophies. I know this, because the FBI made the same conclusion. The heart of their case is that Trump destroyed docs or did something illegal with them. It won't be easy to prove.
Hur anticipated that Biden would use his failing memory as a defense because he knew would on the losing side. The jury would see photos after photos of sensitive docs in states of disarray. There was a limit to how much the jury would buy Biden's "I don't remember having them there". BUT if he could convince that he was senile and his negligence owed to failing memory, he might get off.
Hur then decided all by himself that the jury would buy this defense. Did he order a comprehensive mental evaluation to confirm his theory? Did he make sure that Biden didn't do something with those docs only to forget about them later? We don't know. Reason is stricken with TDS and doesn't seem to grasp the kind of dangerous precedent Hur just set.
Test
CrossoutTest.Sarc, knock it off.
Is this you, SPB2? "Tulpa" is using similar racist language as you against black people.