Will Outdoor Recreation Save Appalachia?
Smokestack-chasing is out. A diversified economy based on environmental protection is in. But will it work?

For rural America in decline—those small towns of shuttered factories, sawmills, and schools—outdoor recreation is the new hope. Smokestack-chasing is out, the public is told. A diversified economy based on environmental protection is in.
Last month, the Biden Administration relaunched an outdoor recreation council and promised to expand the industry to "help people thrive across rural America." But reviving a struggling town isn't a simple task.
In rural Appalachia, structural forces have left much of the region behind as economic and political power shifts to the Sun Belt. Yet, the decline isn't terminal or guaranteed.
Locals have two options: They can repeat the foolishness of the past by putting hope in utopian promises for one giant industry to save them; or, they can build up local leadership to make communities more livable and organically grow a variety of existing businesses.
Though one approach won't work everywhere, hope abounds in small experiments. The leading lights will not be federal officials or state politicians; instead, what's needed is locals who use the assets they have—and run with them to build the future.
Outdoor recreation isn't the only answer for the region. But, for a number of rural places, it seems to be a viable option. Hiking, skiing, critter-watching, hunting, and generally exploring one's no-wifi backyard can grow local economies and offer manufacturing potential, along with high-value services.
States like Pennsylvania are betting big on outdoor recreation. The commonwealth's head of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources (DCNR) has declared outdoor recreation a "lottery ticket" that's "bigger than gas, bigger than a lot of industries combined." The praise is now policy: DCNR has been reluctant to lease more public land for natural gas development, worried that it could undermine outdoor recreation.
In October, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro announced $53 million for hundreds of outdoor recreation projects after he launched an Office of Outdoor Recreation in August.
"I want the people here to know that when I think about the future of Pennsylvania and its competitiveness," Shapiro said at the popular Kinzua Bridge State Park in McKean County last fall. Officials estimate that outdoor recreation will bring in about $14 billion for the state. Expanding the industry also offers some advantages, like lower overhead costs.
"We see outdoor recreation as the key to the competitiveness of our rural areas," said Nathan Reigner, Pennsylvania Director of Outdoor Recreation. "As we stimulate advanced and innovative businesses in rural areas—which are great places to have an innovative business—we need to attract and retain highly mobile, highly competitive workers in those places."

The testing ground for the outdoor recreation revolution is the Pennsylvania Wilds, a 13-county region in the north-central part of the state. The Wilds bills itself as "one of the largest expanses of green between New York City and Chicago." There, communities like Ridgway in Elk County and Kane in McKean County have encouraged outdoor recreation for economic growth and quality of life improvements to keep young people in the area.
"We're not running out of jobs—we're running out of people," said Sam MacDonald, president of the Elk County Catholic School System and a former Ridgway borough councilman. "What economic development really needs here is improving the town enough so people will want to move here or move back, not move away."
After a stint in Washington D.C., MacDonald returned to Ridgway to raise his family. But now, repeating his path may be difficult for millennials and Generation Z due to a housing supply crunch. Few new houses get built, and not enough existing ones get renovated.
MacDonald and Reigner share the same vision: making rural areas attractive to visitors starts with making them good for locals.
Tourists come to Ridgway for kayaking and fishing in the Clarion River and its annual Chainsaw Carvers Rendezvous. "When I was a kid here, the Clarion River was a cesspool," MacDonald said. "There wasn't a fish in the world that could live in the Clarion River…today, it's a world-class trout stream."
The river becoming a tourist attraction wasn't necessarily the goal, even if that's the argument used to make it a priority.
"In order to clean up the river, sometimes you have to say 'this is for tourism and economic development,'" MacDonald said. "If somebody comes here from London to go fishing, that's fine. The bigger upside was cleaning it up makes it a better place to live—I don't give a shit if it's a better place to visit."
Though he's an outdoor recreation booster, MacDonald also calls himself an enormous skeptic—because there's a tendency to exaggerate the sector's benefits.
When he served on the borough council, some locals wanted to expand all-terrain vehicle (ATV) trails. But Ridgway as a four-wheeler destination is an awkward fit. Pennsylvania Department of Transportation controls all roads in and out of town (and isn't shy of fining the ATV riders caught on state roads). The land that surrounds it is controlled by the Pennsylvania Game Commission, which "absolutely hates ATVs," MacDonald said.
But devoted riders showed up to local meetings to make a push for ATV trails anyway, promising economic development. An ATV partisan who led the local chamber of commerce said seven businesses were ready to open—if only the town opened the streets to ATVs. But he refused to say what the businesses were.
"This went on for a year," MacDonald explained. "Another borough council member told the chamber, 'We need that list' … Magically, two days later, they came and said, 'there's 37 businesses that are opening.' I said, '37 businesses? What kind of business—what are you talking about?'"
The ATV booster finally revealed one potential: a pickle store. "How many goddamn pickles do these people eat?!" MacDonald asked.
The ATV experiment never came to pass, nor did any of the promised businesses.
In McKean County, 20 miles north of Ridgway, leaders in the town of Kane talk about a renaissance, much of it based on outdoor recreation and boomerangs—the young people who left the area and returned to raise a family. Kane has recreational bike trails, proximity to Kinzua Bridge State Park, and easy access to the Allegheny National Forest—the only federally owned forest in the Commonwealth.
Local leaders credit collaboration for their new growth. They hold monthly coffee meetings (called SPARKS) with political, business, school, and community leaders. They talk about the grants for which they're applying, new initiatives that need support, and delegate responsibility for tackling problems.
"We've been able to look at small issues and larger issues and fix some things," Mayor Brandy Schimp said.
Take the rural doctor shortage. When the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Kane recruits a doctor, Kane Area Regional Development Director Kate Kennedy gives them a tour of the town, and then others join for dinner to convince the doctor to accept the job. Health care gaps won't disappear with a personal touch, but for small towns, an extra health care worker or two can make waves.
Projects like painting a city mural, installing bike racks, and planning a large homecoming celebration all build toward the future. "Active and attractive communities attract people," Schimp explained.
Getting locals engaged starts at an early age. For more than a decade, the town hosts Kare for Kane every May, a mass volunteer effort for children and adults. In its best year, more than 600 people participated—in a town of 3,200.
"What we try to do with kids is create that sense of ownership and pride in your community, and that is really, really important to these rural areas," Schimp said. "If they don't feel connected to your community, what are you doing all this work for?"
Kane's success depends on its people, which makes it hard to copy.
"People come in here without egos," Schimp said. "Kate and I have been approached by several different communities to share the SPARKS approach, and we can typically tell within five minutes of being in the room whether what we say is going to matter to them. If people aren't coming in with an open mind…you're just not going to see the successes."
The plan for the future is to make Kane a hub for arts and culture, aided by state grants and other initiatives. "We're shifting Kane from a gateway to a destination," Schimp said. Work is in progress to build a children's museum—an attraction that's not dependent on good weather like state parks.

For outdoor attractions, the Pennsylvania Wilds region benefits from so much state game land and the Allegheny National Forest. Other parts of rural Pennsylvania and Appalachia may not be able to copy the playbook, but the Wilds gives some hope.
The Wilds also hasn't seen a complete economic collapse; manufacturing remains strong. Places where outdoor recreation is seen as the last hope tend to struggle.
"The places where it works well is where there's already a diversified economy," said Bynum Boley of the University of Georgia and director of its Tourism Research Lab. "So people aren't latching on to outdoor recreation as a savior."
Transformation doesn't simply come; outdoor recreation may be an improvement, but it's not a godsend.
"Communities that used to be resource extraction communities…a lot of times these rural areas are left with not many other options," Boley said. "When you don't have any other options, you can get pushed around a little bit more by the tourist dollar."
Outdoor recreation might be better understood as signaling what places are viable. Bike trails and watersports won't save every township. With a region in decline and a shrinking, aging population, leaders might have to make hard decisions about saving two places rather than fail to save eight.

Rejuvenating those spots, though, will mean getting rid of government roadblocks. From building houses to issuing nursing licenses to environmental permits, Pennsylvania takes months longer than other states. The story is the same for outdoor recreation.
"'No' is no longer an acceptable response; it is 'how do we work to come to a fair assessment?'" said Rep. Mike Armanini, who represents Elk County and part of Clearfield County. "There are still a lot of regulations that we need to address…. In Pennsylvania, it is so unfriendly and it's a long and painstaking process if you want to move forward with industry. It just really bogs down growth."
He noted frustrations with state agencies like the Fish and Boat Commission, which has been reluctant to let e-bikes on its lands. Infrastructure upgrades in rural areas can be tough, too: state-owned lands deprive townships and municipalities of the tax revenue to fund them. "These entities, they need to reinvest in (the localities)," Armanini said.
State agencies aren't only roadblocks, of course. Armanini was quick to point out that the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources has been helpful with ATV trails. Yet the constellation of chokepoints can jeopardize big projects, and the wait time to get cross-agency approval can kill them.
"The key is, how do we take advantage of everything without taking shortcuts and truly making sure that we look at every nook and cranny," Armanini said. "But for all that to happen, it takes your [Department of Environmental Protection], it takes all your agencies and commissions to sit down and have to work together…you have to have good leadership."
Until something breaks, local leaders may be on their own. "As legislators not truly working together, we're hurting ourselves, which is hurting Pennsylvania," Armanini said. "It's unbelievable how bad it is."
Revival efforts in places like Kane also matter because they have secondary effects: they spur competition. "The last five years, things are bustling up here," said Cheryl Ruffner of the Elk County Riders, a local ATV group. Beyond Kane, projects in Ridgway, St. Marys, Johnsonburg, and nearby townships are blooming. "I see all this hustling and bustling all over the place … it's all starting to brew."
Kane Mayor Brandy Schimp, "she's got fire," Ruffner said. "I really think Kane was one of those things like 'they're revitalizing—why shouldn't we?'"
Though much is new and uncharted, expanding outdoor recreation in Appalachia has some potential. The region isn't doomed. State officials, perhaps too optimistic, are at least wary of selling the industry as the only fix.
"When it comes to economic and community development, outdoor recreation is a piece of the puzzle," said Reigner, Pennsylvania's outdoor recreation director. "Think about making a stew: That stew's gonna have a couple of main ingredients. Maybe beef and potatoes and carrots. Outdoor recreation is the salt in the stew of economic development. It may not be the main ingredient, but if we prepare that dish without it, it's gonna be bland and nobody's gonna ask for seconds."
Reigner's metaphor raises a problem. Outdoor recreation may attract people to a rural area. But it's hard to pull in tech workers or keep young people when the internet is shoddy and access to health care an hour's drive away.
Instead of chasing megaprojects like hydrogen hubs, making rural infrastructure better could have a better long-term payoff. Strengthening the basics is also more replicable than competing with other areas for one-off projects.
"We want to reimagine rural," Mayor Schimp said. Coordination problems, infrastructure issues, and population loss plague many Appalachian counties. But better marketing of rural areas could go a long way.
Rural places, after all, can be a destination as much as cities. Gov. Shapiro said roads could "lead right through rural communities" when he thinks about the future of Pennsylvania. But that rubbed some people the wrong way.
An entrepreneurial spirit, a shift in thinking about economic development, and outdoor recreation could help some small towns be at the end of that road—not just a place to drive through.
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Only as part of a diversified, healthy economy. By itself? No.
Right. Because you know what "Outdoor Recreation" doesn't do? Actually produce anything.
Tourism is fluff, and trying to live on it alone is like trying to survive while only eating candy.
Why is "producing things" so important? If people get value from tourism, value is produced regardless whether "things" are produced.
Because production doesn't care about location, in the sense that it doesn't need outside money or people to function.
Tourism intrinsically does, the natives have zero incentive to spend a shitton of money on seeing a place they already live in.
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What does that have to do with anything meaningful?
If people want to cater to tourists, why do you think it is any of your business? What are you, some kind of Puritan who can't stand the idea that someone, somewhere, is having fun that you don't approve of?
Why don't you rail about sportsball stadiums, or TV shows, or movies? They don't produce "things" either.
I hate to break it to you, but all of those entertainment industries are subsidized for the exact same reason that tourism is.
They cannot sustain an economy independently.
So what, in your fantasy utopia, is good? Just making things? Geez, buddy, I hate to break it to you rudely, but those are even less local than tourism or sportsball stadiums. Factories needs raw materials and parts and capital, and then they pay workers, and workers spend their money on ... what? The factory output? No, outside transportation networks ship the factory output somewhere else, and other factories somewhere else ship their products ... and so on.
What makes you so smart and elite that you get to decide what is good and what is bad for communities you never even heard of?
So what, in your fantasy utopia, is good?
Production economies. They are more robust than consumer ones. As an added bonus, production economies are naturally anti-socialist.
You can't make it 100% production, but > 75% is achievable.
I have seldom read anything so lame. How the dickens do you propose to produce three times as much as you consume (75/25)?
Well, for starters, you invert our tax structure, from work and capital, to consumption.
And pile up goods nobody wants?
Exports. But I defer to Art Vandelay in this area.
Exports AND imports then.
Vandelay Import Export are indeed the experts in this field as pointed out.
Just consider the Caribbean islands.
All of the ones we own are heavily subsidized by you and me, and they would be third world countries without it. The same applies to Hawaii, arguably the worst welfare dollars per citizen in the US.
Luxury industries are just that, luxuries.
Never bet your future on them.
Why not? Many go on for generations! You probably would've labeled Las Vegas a fad.
Las Vegas will be dead as soon as the water runs out.
Sure. And as soon as everything else they don't make in town, like food, energy, shoes, plywood, T-shirts, and glass, runs out.
Water flows towards money. If any city in the southwestern US can afford to pay for water pipelines, it's LV.
"Just consider the Caribbean islands."
Dozens remain uninhabited , and the most nearly idyllic tend to be almost so.
So, what, entertainment wouldn't exist without subsidies? (Or incentives they falsely call subsidies at HyR.) And why does this business come in for this particular criticism? Many districts are sustained by retail, which also doesn't produce anything — but without which most production is useless. There are health care hubs too. There are even college towns; OK, got me there, that's a bubble due to burst — but even after all its associated bubbles pop, there'll still be some localities centered around higher ed.
Why don’t you rail about sportsball stadiums, or TV shows, or movies? They don’t produce “things” either.
Ooooh, nice non-sequitur. Leaving aside the fact that those things get criticized in the comments sections here ALL THE FUCKING TIME THEY'RE EVER BROUGHT UP (hey, let's ignore the multiple Reason articles showing that stadiums don't actually provide a net economic benefit, for instance), they aren't germane to your point, prissy.
My point is that top-down economic control doesn't work.
Are you saying it does? Are you just another socialist?
Yes.
Replacing a production economy with a tourist economy is the epitome of top-down control.
Maybe there are better options for West Virginia Appalachia than turning it into the next Asheville or Aspen by urban hipsters who don't understand how small communities function.
Hipsters understand exactly how small communities should function. They provide quaint shoppes, boutique accommodations, smiling, helpful, and subservient people, and never, ever let on that they might not embrace progressive politics.
Ashville is now a shit hole thanks to wokes which push this central planning govt crap. Let's make the town a college town..heard that one?
The issue here is that you are talking about a top-down economic control. The government wants to turn the area into a tourist destination. Note even in the story that the ATV trails proposed by the locals were shot down, arguably due to the Fed itself.
The issues with a 'tourist economy' are well known. They are a luxury, and suffer greatly during any economic downturn. In the case of Appalachia, it's probably not the worst idea though since they have a non-economy at the moment. No money and no economic activity is certainly worse than a tourist economy.
The primary thing to keep in mind about a tourist economy is that it is beholden to another economic system to survive; it's like a parasite. If there is no rich upper class from the productive economy to patronize their resort, they are back to square one minus all the investment capital required to make it a destination in the first place. They can't, for example, sell their manufactured widget to China instead of Pennsylvania.
I think this is the answer we were looking for.
This isn't really a philosophical point on my part here, more of an economic one. Tourism is very much a luxury good. If the economy of an area is based solely on tourism, it's a castle built on sand.
Without the production of actual things, or food, or even software that accomplishes tasks, they're setting themselves up for a higher chance of failure in the long run. Having a "service economy" is bad enough. An "entertainment economy" is really shaky ground, IMO.
I'm not saying they can't do it if they want to and I would certainly never try to stop them from doing it, I just think it's a terrible idea.
Youre not seeing the big picture. Illegal immigrant food trucks at these outdoor areas.
That's a trillion dollars right there.
Cultural enrichment using other people's cultures. I know I'll spend ten grand to enjoy hamburgers in France, Mexican curry, Russian sushi, Indian prime rib and Chinese chicken paprikash.
You forgot the best one: Maine Cuban sandwiches.
Nobody knows what they are.
A Cuban sandwich, but with lobster?
Ew.
Ha!
Yum !
So it's easy and delicious?
End the Fed, stop all deficit spending and slash the Federal Govt spending..and manufacturing will return quickly from China. That is the solution here..Chinese prices will go up and factories will return as they should
Quite right. Being from northern New England I have seen this attempt in action. When the paper/furniture/textile industries shut down our local wizards of smart rejected several light industrial projects opting for a recreation based economy. Guess what? When it doesn't snow the snowmobilers from down south don't show up. When its nasty and cold spring and fall the campgrounds are empty. When it's not fishing season, fishermen don't show. Recreation can be a boost but there has to be something else. Summer homes driven pricewise out of reach of the locals, an increasing property tax which chases it and low paying jobs at the Dollar General will not cut it.
I like pickles. I might stop at a pickle dtore. Just sayin'.
Hold this at the right angle, squint, and it actually says the problem is the government.
Kinda...it sounds more like support for government directed management of rural spaces. Recreation can certainly boost a local economy, but outdoor recreation is a very seasonal business that falls quickly with economic downturns. We have plenty of small towns in the area that operate based on such tourism, but they remain very small towns with lots of poverty because of the economic cycles and possible revenue they can generate.
What would truly help such areas is to bring back industry. Remove the government incentives to offshore production. Remove the labor and environmental barriers to growing manufacturing. In the age of the internet there is no good reason for jobs that involve sitting at a computer and physically producing nothing to be located in big expensive cities. What really kills rural areas is the government doing everything in their power to centralize money and power for themselves in the cities. There are few good reasons for this outside of elitism.
Overall, this misses the mark for an actual plan to reinvigorate Appalacia. It also shies away from fully indentifying the structures holding back this region.
Yeah, tourism is not great as a cornerstone.
Or weather. Nobody's snowmobiling in Wisconsin this winter. Ski hills can make snow, but without real snow fewer people will come out.
Anyone that turns 18 should leave the Oxycodone Belt as soon as possible.
Sounds like moving there is right up your alley. BTW, why is there a "2" after your name?
It's not too late to leave Trump Country you know. The stereotype of liquored-up hillbillies drunk on moonshine is apt.
Take your Droxycodone like Donnie says.
You didnt say why there is a 2 on your name.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Another chronically weak effort.
You know he's been canned from the fifty-cent factory. The talking points are pretty much gone and he's resorted to merely trolling.
Let's see if we can get Jeffy fired next.
Maybe that is why he sounds so, what's that word, bitter.
He is bitter because so many people counter him and do so quickly his normal talking points only work on people like sarc.
California is Trump country. It had more votes cast for Trump than any other state did.
What, did he mention meth and child abuse?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
As my Appalachian grandmother once said in response the John Prine song, Paradise, "any hillbilly farmer who got enough money for his farm from the mining companies to buy a bus ticket to Akron came out ahead."
Great quote. Thanks. Prine was a great American.
How do you get out of Akron though?
You retire from the tire plant and move to Florida.
Anyone much under 18 should get the hell away from whatever area you inhabit.
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'Falsehoods about the COVID vaccine caused thousands of Americans to forgo the lifesaving shot. It is estimated that of the more than 600,000 people who died after the vaccine was developed, half would be alive today if they had gotten the shot.'
600,000 people who deserve Darwin Awards!
Why don't you be a good psycho squirrel and earn one for yourself?
Um, maybe because I am not arrogantly, deliberately STUPID, and so, do not deserve one? Does THAT compute in your Precious Little Pea-Brain?
Estimated by whom? Pfizer and Moderna?
The Herman Cain Award committee.
Those "darky" Republicans, huh Shrike? Why can't they just stay on the Democrat's vote plantations?
The Lizard People, who want to get their filthy microchips into ye!!!
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So is that dumb bitch saying that 300,000 would have died anyway?
Breaking news for ye, super-genius... We all die eventually! We ALL would have died anyway, eventually!
And Deficit spending by the Federal Govt increases productivity and reduces wealth inequity, right? Spending more on education raises test scores? The Fed does does not print money and does not create inflation. Covid wasn't the plague. And given the mutation rate a "vaccine" was only of marginal benefit to perhaps the most at risk. Why don't we have a common cold vaccine? Cause it mutates so much. Focusing on treatments was the better path and not shutting down schools and society and printing trillions.
Small business formation at record high:
https://eig.org/2023-business-formation-midyear/
S&P 500 Index passes record high of 5000. US business in best condition ever.
#GreedyCapitalistPig
Is this one of those destroy small businesses then brag about the new ones standing on the ashes?
https://citymonitor.ai/economy/business-closures-outnumber-business-creations-by-record-levels
Yeah, but you have to accept the extra value of new businesses that follow the government agenda, and boost DEI scores.
Is this the "creative destruction" libertarians talk about?
Small-business funds (such as VSTCX under Vanguard) are doing better than the S&P in recent days, so SOME small businesses ARE thriving! Stupid businesses fail and smart ones thrive, by pleasing the customers! This IS libertarian capitalism, and it works!!!
hahahahahahha, There are thousands of investments doing better than the Nasdaq, SP500 or Dow Jones.
Well that link just pissed all over Plugly's one man parade.
I mean that is the essence of Bidenomics. And the main priority of the Soros/WEF vision.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Only 24% of Democrats say they are better off financially under Biden, poll says
Congrats on being in that lucky 24% I guess.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
But how many are happy to be suffering for the good of the tribe and to placate Gaia?
Eh, math is racist, I bet that 24% was pulled out of some racist's ass.
You know who else pulled numbers out of his ass?
John Waters?
Count Von Count?
Count Chochula?
Papillon?
Civilian labor force is DOWN, while Government employment is up:
https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1753420240057229715
The plan is working!
They need to start getting the "migrants" into government jobs.
Hmm, are the elites ready for government nannies and groundskeepers?
New York did it.
https://13wham.com/news/local/hochul-wants-to-fast-track-migrants-for-government-jobs-get-this-moving-quickly-kathy-new-york-eric-adams-big-apple-crisis-asylum-seekers-illegal-immigrants-southern-border-trump-biden-2024-presidential-race
Credit Card Delinquency is double where it was at the end of 2021
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1fjbV
He puts so much effort to convince only one person here who lives in Maine. Apparently everyone else notices his bullshit lol.
And to be honest that Maine guy doesn't actually need much convincing.
No. I've been kicked off all the conservative boards.
They hate free speech.
Once a child-porn spreader, always a child-porn spreader.
You know who else hates free speech?
Soros who funds global censorship?
Linda Yaccarino?
Nothing says freedom like getting to post pictures of naked children being sexually assaulted, huh?
Also, what the hell is a solid blue Democrat like you doing on conservative boards aside from trolling? I don't know any conservatives or libertarians who go on the Daily Kos or DNC Underground for a chat.
I posted on Breitbart for a few months before they censored me.
But Ace of Spades was my favorite. They don’t tolerate free-thinkers or free speech and shut me down in two weeks.
edit to add - I am using "censor" the way conservatives use it. (that is - When a private entity exercises their right to edit)
You should stop posting links to kiddie porn.
Fuck, it even got Plug’s original handle banned from an anything goes board like Reason. When Reason bans your ass you know what you were posting is a little more than “free-thinking or free speech”.
For those that don't know, Buttplug is probably the only person ever banned by Reason, hence the "2" after his name. Apparently they don't think child porn links are "free speech".
No, Mary Stack was, as well, I believe. It's actually her fault that the registration system got put in place.
Then there was that little woodchipper incident...
Forgot about her. Whatever happened to her?
She’s popped up on occasion–her style is unmistakable–but the bitch is in her 60s now. She doesn’t have the energy anymore to try and troll here full-time.
At least you agree youre a solid blue dem looking to troll.
Stormfront is the only conservative site I won't post on. Not giving them any clicks.
Nobody cares pedo.
Weird, since they're probably the most amenable to your conservative blacks are lawn jockeys narrative.
Probably has more to do with you being such a pedophilic cunt.
Are they counting independent pharmaceutical distributors as "small businesses"?
So many new jobs created..almost all part time..yep that is how printing money to fuel maleinvesmtnes works..right JMK?
There are other options.
The people could forswear reliance on "leaders" and do what they want, including move away, or live happily in isolated retirement and drive 30 miles for supplies once a month.
Isn't this supposed to be a libertarian site, full of individualism? Why this reliance on "leaders" to make decisions?
Unfortunately, in the 21st century, even people who claim to hold libertarian values default to master plans and government-corporate leaders.
"...The people could forswear reliance on “leaders” and do what they want, including move away, or live happily in isolated retirement and drive 30 miles for supplies once a month..."
Yeah, what's this "saving " Appalachia? Is someone trying to steal it? What's to "save"?
Leave those people alone, and they'll do just fine.
Sevo: Taxpayers are paying for the hill-billy's narcotics. Leave them alone.
#SSDI-For-Trumptards
Pedo: Someone's trying to keep kids safe from me, and I don't like that.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
I remember that.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Last month, the Biden Administration relaunched an outdoor recreation council and promised to expand the industry to "help people thrive across rural America." But reviving a struggling town isn't a simple task.
Is this one of those government destroyed jobs, and now pretends to fix it type of articles?
So, how did you Reason staff sockpuppets like Sleepy Joe's performance over the last week? Mitterand, Hamas, El Sisi, the "angry old man" diatribes, the list goes on and on.
Of course I know it won't stop most of you from voting for him again and lying about it as usual. I honestly don't know how you can even look at yourselves in the mirror or sleep at night, but I guess you just have absolutely no shame.
You're right, Mikey.
Senile Old Joe vs the MAGA White Trash candidate? It is a tough call.
Americans deserve better.
Well, strike that last sentence.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
BTW, turd, tell us about your fave POTUS and how he is too demented to stand trial, but just fine to be POTUS. You and he make a perfect pair, shit-for-brains.
If he only had a brain.
https://youtu.be/2nY0GwuBn-c?si=Ku8Y-xJ7_IPzKMh3
'Locals have two options: They can repeat the foolishness of the past by putting hope in utopian promises for one giant industry to save them; or, they can build up local leadership to make communities more livable and organically grow a variety of existing businesses.'
Like New York foolishly focusing on finance or the Bay Area wasting time with tech? Can't wait for them to wake up and promote food trucks instead.
I have it on good authority that food trucks will add 7 trillion to the GDP before you can say wait,what? Read it right here at Reason. Of course not everyone is impressed.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-unleashes-propaganda-machine-illegal-immigration-will-boost-us-gdp-7-trillion
When a loaf of bread costs a million dollars son, you will, in fact be so wrong about this and be unhappy about being wrong.
A few observations on the outdoor recreation economy fantasy:
Yes, you might turn you sleepy, struggling town into a destination with much improved cash flow. But you will also have to deal with locals unhappy with low-paying crap jobs (making beds, waiting tables), a town council and C of C more focused on attracting and placating tourists than dealing with priorities of residents, some residents who will go level-ten NIMBY and Luddite, an atmosphere of spoiled, selfish behavior (especially if the target visitor is affluent), greater impacts on human and natural systems than even during the dark days of previous industry, soaring housing prices that lead to dormitories for workers, and all kinds of other (un)anticipated outcomes.
Jim Stiles (publisher of Canyon Country Zephyr) has written and ranted about this for decades, focused on the type example of Moab, Utah. Moab went from sleepy farming community to uranium mining and milling industry to hyper-tourism. I have been a regular visitor to Moab for work and fun since 1978, and the rate of tourist growth, along with the rate of social issues, still amazes me. If nothing else, the Moab example should tell us to be careful what we ask for.
One more thing: claims for the economic impact of recreation are everywhere, at multiple levels. And they are grand enough to claim more than 100% of economies.
But you will also have to deal with locals unhappy with low-paying crap jobs (making beds, waiting tables),
Why the open borders. Duh.
^ This is exactly right.
Tourism enriches the government and a few of the well connected in the area, usually an outside real estate developer, and if they actually succeed they price everyone out of the area and the locals have to move or be happy with their new career as a minimum wage barista.
If they fail, the city is left with a lot of debt that will probably never be repaid so say hello to higher taxation on what little is left over.
This plays out in just about every 'resort destination' that's ever been. Which is also fine, if that's what the people want, but the people are also generally lied to by both their own local government and the developer that promises just so, so much money for all of the rubes once they ram their plan through the planning stages. Say, is the mayor driving a brand new Range Rover? Wonder how they can afford that!
The locals who 'win' are the one's who make an ok living off their weird little trinket store during three months out of the year and the people who can afford the tax hikes on their property long enough to make a bundle on their home sale.
I must however admit that in Appalachia, perhaps even shitty minimum wage gigs cleaning hotel rooms is better than nothing at all.
I'm not at all against the capitalist arguments in favor for this kind of thing, but to be frank it's equally true that this process is simply rife with fraud, waste, and outright lies to the people by their elected officials during the process. Few governments are as corrupt as small town local governments, or at least it's more obvious when you see it.
"Useful Idiot" Tucker Carlson Duped By Putin in Bid To Weaken Support For Ukraine
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This much was on display in Tucker Carlson’s interview of Vladimir Putin, which took advantage of Carlson’s craven character, the prevalence of social media noise, the gullibility of many in the West and of course the rottenness of Donald Trump. In the minds of many, Putin has thrown sand in the face of those in Congress who support Ukraine, suggested that a ‘win-win’ deal is soon available, and that Donald Trump is a reasonable man worthy of Putin’s respect. In each case, the opposite is true.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeosullivan/2024/02/10/tucker-carlson-duped-by-putin-in-bid-to-weaken-support-for-ukraine/?sh=62817a45678c
Forbes = Greedy Capitalists
turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's
Also a junior ranger member of Libertarians Against Capitalism.
I'm a libertarian against capitalism. I'm for free enterprise.
You better splain yourself. (Or at least provide your pronouns, er, economic definitions.)
You can't build free enterprise without capital. Did you mean you are a libertarian against corporatism?
Forbes is as captured as is most media. Notice the lack of actual quotes. He just pushes what his beliefs are without actually citing the interview.
But youre such a moron you probably didn't notice.
God damn Putin for being lucid, intelligent, and well-spoken. And using Nazi concepts like history and logic to argue his case. Why can't Russians elect proper leaders like senile seniors and diversity hires?
Remember when your party had a psychological breakdown after missing a layup in 2016? You dorks cast yourselves as the heroes of a bad spy novel in which RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION to put a Kremlin asset in the White House. And you expected Robert Mueller - possibly assisted by Michael Avenatti - to unravel the scheme and lead Trump out of the WH in handcuffs.
What would be the worst possible way for that childish fantasy to blow up in your faces?
I know!
First, Mueller could underperform so severely that even a Democratic House itching to remove Trump couldn't justify it based on his findings.
Second, Avenatti could get sentenced to a decade-plus in prison for being a stereotypical sleazy lawyer.
Third, a Democrat could win the WH on a foreign policy message of "Putin fears me!"
Fourth, Putin could do something naughty under the Democrat that he never tried under Trump.
And guess what? All 4 of these things actually happened!
Your #RussiaGate DNC talking points regurgitation is as pathetic as your economic cheerleading.
#ISwearImNotADemocratIJustWantGridlock
If only Avenatti had used his super powers for good instead of evil. He could have been president*.
*Per MSNBC
Pro-USSR Republicans called out by Polish leader:
Reagan ‘must be turning in his grave’: Poland’s Tusk slams Republicans over Ukraine aid
A border security bill including aid for Kyiv has been stalled in Congress for months.
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“Dear Republican Senators of America. Ronald Reagan, who helped millions of us to win back our freedom and independence, must be turning in his grave today,” Tusk wrote Thursday morning on X. “Shame on you.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/shame-on-you-reagan-grave-polish-tusk-slams-us-republicans-for-blocking-ukraine-aid/
Other countries want American taxpayers' money. Shocking.
And people from other parties in this country want American taxpayers’ money.
Remember when your handlers told you to mock the idea that Russia was a threat?
Obama: The '80s called, they want their foreign policy back
That insight was shared by a literal Nobel Peace Prize winner BTW.
Pro-Soviet Trumpers only want the best for America!
Russia seems to do better under Obama and Biden.
China, too.
turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.
Fetterman calls Rand Paul ‘peckerhead’ over Friday night, Super Bowl votes
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fetterman-calls-rand-paul-peckerhead-020712518.html
Mocking you is almost too easy.
Almost. 😉
Russia is disintegrating. They are near impoverishment. Biden laid the hammer on them. I can’t wait for Putin to be shot in the head.
You said this just under a year ago.
Quite the slow-motion "disintegration," huh?
My timing is just a little off.
LOL, yeah, by like, "never."
You’re a shameless liar.
turd certainly is dishonest, but he’s got a heaping helping of stupid to go with his dishonesty. Stupid, lying, despicable steaming pile of lefty shit and proud to be!
C'mon now Sandra, quit taunting the pedophile with his own words. It's mean.
Oh, what am I saying? Taunt away. Taunt like the wind!
As. I would love to the the him over the edge towards suicide! I will be just as happy if someone else here can make that happen.
It’s always a plus when another child rapist retroactively self aborts. And bonus points when it s a Marxist.
Friday is a work day. The Super Bowl is on Sunday.
‘Murderer’: OK Senator files bill to punish woman getting an abortion, wants to ban contraception
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OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – A freshman Senator has filed a bill that would charge Oklahoma women who get an abortion with murder.
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Senate Bill 1729, also known as the Abolition of Abortion Act, follows the “image of God.”
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-legislature/ok-senator-files-bill-to-punish-woman-getting-an-abortion-wants-to-ban-contraception/
#BewareChristo-Fascism
Now do Gaia worship and the Church of Marx.
Ahh, something actually worth discussing.
Marxism is vile but is pretty much dead now that China, the old USSR, and Cuba have reformed - China into a state controlled capitalist model.
What is ascendent in the West is secularist Nordic Capitalism which will dominate eventually.
What is ascendant in the West is the Davos/WEF Great Reset economic model, which is basically Chinese style communism, central planning and social control, except they were smart enough to allow the billionaires to profit from it so they would all be on board.
It is amazing how dumb you are. Marxism is dead despite CRT, DEI, and dems adopting their tenets. Lol.
Decades ago the Marxists switched their focus to culture, and have essentially taken over media, entertainment, and academia. With that grounding, they have recently come back to economics and class.
Legitimizing child rape now appears to be a thing for them too. And not just Shreek and Pedo Jeffy.
A child's sexual activities are a private matter between the parents and the child's physician. /Jeffy
Nuh-uh. That should read "between the school district and the child's physician".
Nordic capitalism might be more supporting of the welfare state (but very much a nationalist version). But hardly compatible with climatology, as now pushed by both "grass roots" retards and their globalist leaders and funders. Those people are pretty much anti-market and pro-state religion.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
“And daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the green river where paradise lay?” “Well, I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking Mister Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away”
Despite the past tense, it remains a continuing problem. Not that nature couldn’t fix some of it over the next 200 years. That is, if anyone would start leaving it alone now.
https://reason.com/2024/02/10/will-outdoor-recreation-save-appalachia/?comments=true#comment-10439391
If only humans had stayed in Africa.
>For rural America in decline—those small towns of shuttered factories, sawmills, and schools—outdoor recreation is the new hope. Smokestack-chasing is out, the public is told. A diversified economy based on environmental protection is in.
Sure. Tons of city-dwellers will save rural America by coming out to gawk at the yokels.
>ast month, the Biden Administration relaunched an outdoor recreation council and promised to expand the industry to "help people thrive across rural America." But reviving a struggling town isn't a simple task.
Oh, never mind, the Biden Administration just put a stake through that revival's heart anyway.
>In rural Appalachia, structural forces have left much of the region behind
TF does this even mean?
It means you can't resist The Structure.
White Supremacy
It's an excuse so people can feel like victims instead of taking action to improve their individual situations.
"The Democrats killed mining and a lot of industry." is what that means.
But mining and industry are dirty!
^ This is exactly what that means.
It means the democrats that rule PA have no idea how to run a state.
The biggest obstacle to anyone in Pennsylvania making their life better is Pennsylvania government. Every part of that government sees their purpose as 'tax cattle farming'.
>Take the rural doctor shortage. When the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Kane recruits a doctor, Kane Area Regional Development Director Kate Kennedy gives them a tour of the town, and then others join for dinner to convince the doctor to accept the job. Health care gaps won't disappear with a personal touch, but for small towns, an extra health care worker or two can make waves.
'Doc Hollywood' was a documentary?!
The biggest obstacle to this sort of change is zoning. And guess what - Ridgway has a Planning and Zoning Commission.
Are they open to mandating ADUs and food trucks though?
I'm sure the zoning commission will be able to address your questions at their next meeting. Until then whatever plans you have for your property are on hold.
As a Black man from Appalachia I don’t see race. So, I’d just like to ask my fellow *human* libertarian and GOP members (but I repeat myself) who we should nominate for the person who best exemplifies the libertarian model. As I see it there are two choices: 1.) Vladimir Putin or 2.) Kim Jong Un. They’re keeping the immigrants out so that’s what matters most. I’d put down Mr. Argentine Wonderful but he’s in Israel right now canoodling with the IDF. I’ll tell you what my Black love child who I fathered with my secret Canadian girlfriend calls that kind of situation. That’s fucking suss 4 sure.
OUR OSF INTERNS IS LEARNING!
Why do you think your racist socking clever shrike?
It's not me.
Believe me, Timmeh! is mocked by most of America.
So there’s another racist posting here besides you?
Do you honestly think people are dumber than you and don't see you using the same attacks and the only one responding positively to your own sock?
Shreek really enjoys showcasing his stupidity.
He also really enjoys raping small children.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Amer1can Socialist, is that you?
Or they could legalize meth and fentanyl to reduce crime and allow families to sue the producers if relatives are killed by tainted products.
If you don't allow the lawsuits, that could be an effective tactic for depopulating economically unviable areas.
WEF fully onboard.
Very libertarian and I support your idea 100%.
#OSF-Approved.
turd certainly is dishonest, but he’s got a heaping helping of stupid to go with his dishonesty. Stupid, lying, despicable steaming pile of lefty shit and proud to be! Count on it.
My Black ass just got done watching the interview between libertarian role model, V. Putin and Mr. Tucker. While I enjoyed the 2 hour long review of the 9th century Battle of Ulan Bataan and how that justifies sending missiles into Ukranian homes I did not like the little snide comment about Mr. Tucker being rejected by the CIA. You know, I’ve heard many liberals, who are the only racists still in existence, tell me that that somehow insinuates that Mr. Tucker is a vile snake who would go on spouting propaganda for Australian billionaires and war criminals. That’s not how my Black ass sees it, but it’s out there.
Oh… SELL!!! SELL!!! SELL!!!
Mr. Tucker… if you are reading this. Please call my very real girlfriend at 1-202-224-5972 for an interview. Globalists and transsexual activists are saying terrible things about me. Her name, btw, is Lindsey Greyham. Please help!
How come this comment board is filled to the rim with GOP suckoffs? Asking for a friend.
Suckoff? That sounds like a Russian name.
It’s what Pluggo does to young boys.
Okay, this joke was never funny and now it's just spamming. Muted.
Huh... Tim Scott reference. Bad jokes about GOP. Parody name referencing said politician.
Sup shrike?
I am not him. He doesn’t believe that we live in Biden’s Kommunist Koncentration Kamp— or KKK for short. I do. Also, I don’t think all Black people are stupid… just the 90% or so that vote for the Democrat Party and think racism exists. That’s all. I repeat… I am not Mr. Shrike.
For rural America in decline—those small towns of shuttered factories, sawmills, and schools—outdoor recreation is the new hope.
So... we're pivoting from "learn to code" to "learn to zipline and mountain bike"?
This is gonna be fun to watch.
You know I was ruminating on the DemopMedia outrage about the prosecutor report calling out Joe Biden as a dementia-addled retard and I can’t get over how… retarded the Democrats and their media handlers are.
And so far, this seems to only have occurred to… me.
What no one seems to realize (including Trump supporters, and I’ll get to them in a moment) is that this prosecutor gave Biden a pass, not to make cheap shots at him, but to save the Trump prosecution. One of the arguments about the Biden classified documents vs the Trump documents was “selective prosecution”. The entire doctrine of selective prosecution is a legally recognized form of whataboutism. It’s a useful whataboutism, but it’s very real and important. If you’re being prosecuted for an act that seven prominent people before you engaged in, and you’re the only one being prosecuted, that’s a case and argument for selective prosecution. “What about those other guys?”
So the legal deep state had to balance themselves on the razor’s edge on this case. They had to find a way to make the possession of the classified documents illegal, but find Biden innocent, or ‘not culpable’ for committing the same act. If they’d have found Biden innocent by virtue of the act not being a crime then that would have been a powerful weapon in the defense arsenal to argue Trump is also innocent. If they find him guilty, then that creates a situation too dangerous to contemplate. So how does one find the condition of having possession of the documents a crime, while exonerating the current sitting president? You claim he’s not culpable because he knew not what he was doing.
That keeps the Trump prosecution alive, it legally recognizes the act of having the documents is a legal violation, but exonerates the current president– guilty of doing the exact same thing.
Meanwhile, the retard DemopMedia keeps pointing to the report and shouting about how it’s mean to Biden. You’ve got beltway reporters admitting publicly that there was a “gentlemen’s agreement” to not talk about Biden’s dementia.
It’s like, shut the fuck up retards. You’re creating a Streisand effect. Just quietly go along with the report and then turn to Trump supports and ask, “So what’s YOUR guy’s excuse?”
And the simpletons in the GOP are guilty of the same thing in reverse. They’re laughing at the report because it legally recognizes that Biden is a dementia-addled retard, but at some point, someone’s going to ask them what’s the going-forward argument for Trump now that it’s been legally acknowledged that Trump is very likely guilty of some kind of crime or violation. Trump supporters, at some point are going to have to content with this.
It's more or less the same thing they said about Hillary and her handling of classified information.
In essence, the argument is that it's (D)ifferent.
What will be breathtaking is if they actually put Trump in jail for it when every Democrat accused of this in recent memory, not just Biden, was let off the hook for any possible reason no matter how true or false that reason might be.
In Hillary's case, the reason amounted to 'we don't want to prosecute a Democrat for this crime'. They stopped just short of stating exactly that. The same goes for Biden.
What one might ask the Democrats is 'why are all of your Presidential candidates unable to follow basic rules with classified information? Trump is one guy, notably several Democrats have the precise same issue. Are they just stupid, or are they willful? Well, in Hillary's case it was obviously an attempt to skirt FOIA...so it was indeed willful.
You guys are hung up on expecting some consistent legal principles. Meanwhile, our political left-establishment starts with the desired outcome (Trump behind bars or otherwise removed from the political process) and reverse engineers a plausible narrative that includes some legal arm waving. It does not really matter what people might say, or what some law might signify.
It isn't actually the same thing, because Trump was president when he took possession of the classified documents in question, and Biden was not president when he took possession of the classified documents in his garage. It's a very different thing, because Trump had declassification authority, and until Biden actually became president, he did not. And the records in his garage date from before his presidency.
The "legal whataboutism" still applies because it's an apples and lug nuts comparison, whereas pointing at Bush, Clinton, Old Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc is relevant to actions taken during and after their presidencies.
Yeah that's my take also. The SC's marching orders were to get Biden off the hook while admitting that he willfully violated the law to save the Trump prosecution. The whole 'jury won't convict their crazy grandpa' story was a hail mary pass but it just might work. But in order to convict Trump they are apparently conceding that he is not a senile old man. I've been watching the MSM/DNC reaction and waiting for the narrative to shift which I think we'll see next week depending on the ultimate agenda. Right now they're screeching about gratuitous comments in the report and claiming that Biden is sharp as a tack, failing apparently to see the obvious contradiction. If he's not senile why wasn't he indicted? It's yet another example of their demand that we believe two contradictory things at the same time. Seems to me the logical reaction would be to downplay it and let it ride out a few days until the next shiny object comes up. I am not sure if this is the first step in taking Biden out, which means that Garland is already in on the plan, or if they think we'll actually believe this shit. Meanwhile the Republicans are demanding that the regime invoke the 25th. Let's think that through. Who would you rather run against in November? Whatever great white (or POC) hope the democrats can dig out or an already unpopular Joe Biden who's been declared incompetent by his own DOJ? At some point the marching orders will come down and the agenda will reveal itself. Or maybe I'm just giving all of these clowns too much credit. Maybe we're ruled by idiots on all sides.
I believe Trump’s lawyers are ramping up the ‘selective prosecution’ defense following the report and responses by the media and Biden and his administration. Could be fun to watch.
Unfortunately for Jack "8-0" Smith this case is not in DC. I would expect Trump to ask for summary dismissal of the document charges and he has a strong case. That would probably still leave obstruction.
A faux journalist working for a right-wing junior varsity publication apparently doesn't wish to admit it (at least, not publicly), but these rural wastelands are write-offs, at least throughout the foreseeable future.
Lousy schools, crumbling and inadequate infrastructure, declining or capsized economies, nonexistent culture (well, other than street pills, revival meetings, and bigotry), boarded-up towns.
These desolate, can't-keep-up communities are populated by the depleted human residue that remains after generations on the ugly side of bright flight (all of the smart, ambitious young people flee at high school graduation, never to return), a concentrating pool of ignorance, superstition, bigotry, addiction, disaffectedness, lack of marketable skill, resentment, and indolence.
America should fund and operate a strong lifeline for the young people who wish to escape these failed regions, enabling them to seek education, modernity, and opportunity on legitimate campuses (backwater religious schooling doesn't count) and/or in strong, educated, modern, productive suburban and communities. No decent person faults a minor for having losers for parents, and we will need all of the skilled, educated, decent citizens we can get.
The other hillbillies, young and old? Write-offs.
Lousy schools, crumbling and inadequate infrastructure, declining or capsized economies, nonexistent culture (well, other than street pills, revival meetings, and bigotry), boarded-up towns.
Enough about San Francisco, Seattle and LA, we're talking about middle America.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Is Artie here advertising his donkey show performances again? You'd think he'd eventually learn that nobody here wants to watch him get fucked in the ass by a donkey, but he comes around peddling it anyway. He needs to accept that it's just a hobby and not a viable career, no matter what his mother told him.
"America should fund and operate a strong lifeline for the young people who wish to escape these failed regions, enabling them to seek education, modernity, and opportunity on legitimate campuses (backwater religious schooling doesn’t count) and/or in strong, educated, modern, productive suburban and communities. No decent person faults a minor for having losers for parents, and we will need all of the skilled, educated, decent citizens we can get."
That sounds lovely.
Except you asserted Tom Cotton's Harvard degrees were fraudulent ....... because he came from one of these communities.
Now do you understand what I mean about your gimmick being pretty basic - yet you still can't make it internally consistent?
Anyway...
Have you decided which Biden Era Supreme Court decision made you look dumber?
Was it when Roe got aborted by a Supreme Court you said would have a 7 - 6 liberal majority?
Or was it when racial preferences got gutted by a Supreme Court you said would have a 7 - 6 liberal majority?
If you want to spend the time you have remaining (until you are replaced by a better American) pretend to find redeeming value in Bible-thumping, bigoted, uneducated, Republican, backwater slack-jaws and the desolate conservative communities they inhabit -- it suits you.
There is nothing inspiring or worthwhile about Tom Cotton. He's a drawling right-wing culture war casualty. Harvard did not seem to improve him to any degree. He returned to the hillbillies and bigots and is part of the culture war's deplorable roadkill. Not every reclamation project succeeds.
Try to enjoy the rest of the culture war. I know I will!
I'm certainly enjoying the genociding of your tranny allies, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib. When do you join them?
Lousy schools, crumbling and inadequate infrastructure, declining or capsized economies, nonexistent culture (well, other than street pills, revival meetings, and bigotry), boarded-up towns.
I thought we were discussing Appalachia, not Chicago.
Funny, government schools produce demonstrably inferior results in solid blue cities. Only a dumb pile of offal like Arty can’t recognize that. Although he is a high school dropout himself. And also likely clinically retarded.
Rural economies are on the downward slide and it is unlikely to change. Farms are consolidating and require fewer workers, much of the low wage work is done by immigrants, many guest workers or undocumented. Factories are locating to more urban areas where there are more resources. Even in factories the number of jobs that are needed has decreased with automation. One area where I have seen expansion in rural areas is warehouses, rural areas have plenty of space and if they are on good transportation corridors big box stores and mail order businesses will locate. These are not always high paying jobs but in a rural area they may cover expenses. The most successful rural communities I see are close to large cities. Closes enough for the rural people to go to the city for work and close enough that the city folk can drive to rural community for weekend trips. Having some outdoor recreation helps bring in those day trippers.
Even in factories the number of jobs that are needed has decreased with automation.
Manufacturing is at an all time high. When people say we don't make anything they're really complaining about jobs.
There's nothing wrong with the land in rural areas.
It's the people, the towns, and the schools that are worthless.
Farmland, warehousing, and dangerous activities are about the only worthwhile uses of the land.
No Arty, the worthless people are in the cities, and vote the same as you do.
We call them ‘democrats’.
You are both wrong. While we can generally observe rural people being more conservative and cities more liberal is not absolute. Many of my work colleagues commuted up to an hour to come to work in the city while preferring smaller rural communities for their homes. These rural to city commuters ranged in political philosophy from conservative to socialist. I have met plenty of conservatives in the city. The conservative to liberal Venn diagrams have plenty of overlap on locations.
Not nearly as worthless as the hicklibs and their vermin spawn that came from them. Fortunately, they'll be fumigated soon.
The Narrative evolves.
Gunning For Garland: Biden Melts Down Over Hur Report As White House 'Unlists' Disaster Press Conference
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunning-garland-biden-melts-down-over-hur-report-white-house-unlists-disaster-press
According to the report, Garland is finished - and wouldn't remain in his post for a possible second term.
"This has been building for a while," said an anonymous insider. "No one is happy."
And while the White House insists the DOJ isn't 'weaponized,' Biden in recent weeks has apparently grumbled to aides and advisers that had Garland simply moved sooner in his investigation into Donald Trump for election interference, a trial might already be underway - or even have concluded.
What return will I get on my financial investment in "outdoor recreation?"
I live in the next town to north of Kane (Warren). Never heard of the place before we moved here from post-Katrina New Orleans. It’s wrong to think of these towns as “rural”. They are urban, just small. My house, which is 4000 square feet, plus a detached 800 square feet servant quarter above a three car garage, and has an Otis elevator, cost me $300,000. From there I can walk 2 blocks to a 150 year old theater, several bars and restaurants, church, elementary school. Within 5 blocks we have the middle school, grocery store, my bank, attorney, court house, my office, library, YMCA, several parks, factories, hardware store, city hall, police station, fire station, more then 10 social clubs, sporting good store, canoe rental, outdoor store, liquor store, and on and on,
Warren, pop. 9,500.
I’ve seen this work in some places where an outdoor gear shop will open up in a small town near the mountains or a river, then a brewery or distillery might open and possibly an art gallery. Sure, it can help revitalize a few small towns for part of the year, but doubt it will on a large scale. Where it is successful, it has happened organically, and not because of a master plan.
Sevo has a metal plate in his head. He was injured in a San Fran antifa protest.
I've speculated before that he might actually be a child. I just keep him in a grey box now.
Perhaps you don't know that SPB2 is a pedo.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
"This guy seems fecally obsessed."
You seem to be lacking at least two digits in IQ count.
Who is better at deciding those "important metrics", the people with skin in the game or the self-appointed elite "leaders"?
"How common is a third term for a party with different nominees in the modern era?"
LOL - Trying to spin Hillary losing to a hand-picked opponent, an amateur politician from a reality TV show, as anything but an inexcusable choke-job. 🙂
Remember all those mathematical models giving her 90, 95, or even 99% odds of winning?
"Uh, the House voted to impeach. The Senate acquitted."
Oh. Is that what happened?
Mueller submitted his report, and it was so devastating the House immediately used it as a basis for impeachment?
Or did the game show buffoon later do something stupid, maybe something involving a phone call, that provided the basis for the first impeachment?
"You think this particular message won Biden the WH in 20?"
I never said that was key to his victory. (Democratic voters only pretend to care about foreign policy; they're mainly concerned with their next abortion and getting their loans forgiven.)
Biden did, however, assert that Putin was afraid of him.
Then Putin invaded Ukraine after Biden took over as Commander in Chief (and botched Afghanistan) - something he counterintuitively never tried during the 4 years he was allegedly controlling POTUS through pee tape blackmail.
Trump wasn’t impeached for Russia you ignorant fuck.
Look, another superior-type liberaltarian circle jerk.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Like the Bushes and the Clintons?
You're either a troll or you just arrived from Alpha Centauri if you think leaders represent anybody but themselves. Government paychecks do not endow omniscience and a sense of fair play.
“I would hope their leaders are representing the people.”
In what magical country does this occur? And didn’t you know that the will of people is now called “populism” and it’s a very, very bad thing?
No, leaders should represent the interests of the donor class.
Cat fight!!! I am siding with Sandra. She has at least has humor and logic, along with truth on her side.
Of course not! You'd make him a teacher and sic the FBI on any parents who objected.
No, you democrats are making child rapists your next protected class.
Not a decade.
In just 4 years, 2012 to 2016, Democrats went from mocking the idea that Russia was a threat, to blaming Russia for Hillary suffering the most embarrassing and inexcusable defeat in American political history.
If Democrats' #RussiaGate fantasies are true, Obama looks like the most inept dope ever. Because the allegedly HACKED ELECTION to install a RUSSIAN INTEL ASSET happened on his watch. After his 2012 opponent warned him about Russia. And he replied with a canned zinger.
No, you don't get it. The problem is forcing "the" transition on those poor naive gullible hillbillies who are too naive and gullible to know what's best for them. That's why the feds have to step up to the plate and take charge.
Hikers don't spend a lot of money though. And they buy most of their gear online.
The Queen approves! But she misses the days when she could dismember bitter communities, and people, with a simple command.
Queens gotta queen.
^True story.
"launch into a fecal-obsessed rant about anyone"
The guy's chosen nickname is literally "Buttplug", you stupid shit, hence "turd". How the fuck are you this retarded?
Nope. Russia has better reasons for their invasion.
"Do you liken the invasion of Iraq with Putin’s invasion of Ukraine?"
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Except Putin's is ever so slightly more legitimate because 70 years ago that area was part of Russia, and Ukrainian paramilitaries were expelling ethnic Russians. Iraq was doing neither.
Fucking neocons.
Nice try. But good to know what your goals are.
Yet you did respond.
Your desperate lies have not worked in 3-4 years.
And you Denny Hastert conservatives are the real culprits. It's baked into your DNA.
Cat fight
Not really, Queen almathea is a Jeff sock... I guess they both have tits though.
Misek could explain.
You don't even know what it means - you made up a definition that makes no sense in context.
You've been gone long enough, I'm disappointed you haven't died a slow painful death.
"How common is a third term for a party with different nominees in the modern era?"
More common than a major party candidate essentially picking her opponent - and still losing to that hand-picked opponent.
More common than "the most qualified candidate in history" (according to her supporters) losing to someone with no meaningful government or military experience.
More common than blowing a Presidential election that incredibly brilliant people like Sam Wang calculate is 99% likely to go one way.
"Whoops."
Sorry my wording wasn't precise enough for you. 🙁
I noticed you're not disputing my characterization of Mueller's findings. Would you like to do that? Wanna insist that #Resistance hacks like Keith Olbermann were correct that Mueller had Trump right where he wanted him by late 2017, and his removal from office was imminent?
You guys used to claim QA was a Tony sock.
What happened?
Your obsession with Denny Hastert has been noted pedo. Now turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You’re probably jealous he raped more kids than you.
Like when China started cracking down on their anti free market practices?
You're right. They had to do without Hunter for 4 years.
Yeah, they were you dumb bitch.
Tony died. He's with Hihn in troll paradise.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
shrike's mad about Hastert because he can't stand the competition.
It would actually be pretty ironic if he died of a fentanyl-laced pot overdose, but I suspect he just decided to quit posting.
It wasn’t drugs, Tony had a fatal rectal hemorrhage.
hang on... Tony is dead?
I did wonder why I hadnt seen his trolling here in a while.
How did anyone find out? You can't smell corpses on the internet.
You keep saying that, but why? Outsiders had done well in major elections in the recent era (Ventura, Perot, etc.).
You're citing a one-off governor's race and populist campaign from 30 years ago that gained no electoral votes?
Try harder.
Actually the Donbas was part of Russia going back to the 18th century.
"Under the SOVIET UNION?"
Yes, and under the Russian Empire before that.
In 1922 the Soviets created the Ukraine SSR out of the Russian SSR and what they took from the Austro-Hungarian empire. Before this Ukraine never existed.
In 1939 thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Nazis, the Soviets added a huge chunk of Poland to the Ukraine SSR.
In 1940, again thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Nazis, the Soviets added a huge chunk of Romania to the Ukraine SSR.
In 1945, ignoring complaints from the Allies, the Soviets added a chunk of Hungary to the Ukraine SSR.
In 1948, the Soviets took Romania's islands and added them to the Ukraine SSR.
In 1954, Joseph Stalin took the Crimea from the Russian SSR and added it to the Ukraine SSR.
Your ignorance is frankly astonishing.
^ This is the comment that tells you this is SPBP2 wearing a mask, for what it's worth.
You could respond to what I actually wrote rather than what you hallucinated.
If Tony was going to die of a drug overdose on anything it'd be molly. But Tony was a bugchaser, so I think Monkeypox or the AIDS got him.
I thought Tony transitioned to Molly Godiva.
When you look at all their arguments they're always from ignorance. These are the people who rely on MSDNC and CNN talking heads, rather than reading the actual reports themselves.
Narrative >> Knowledge
They would t be democrats if they weren’t ignorant pieces of shit.
Because Walker's been his friend for 30 years, and Oz is a fellow celebrity.
But this non-sequitur doesn't prove your point, either.
The problem is that the idiots proposing this think it's a panacea that can be imposed in a top-down manner. They're basing this reasoning on current tourist towns in the west such as in Colorado, which converted to the ski industry after the local mines started dying.
The problem is that those economies developed organically. They were started by returning World War II vets who had trained in the 10th Mountain Division, or in Buckley Field's Arctic Survival School, and saw a chance to start up a small-scale hobby that might draw in a few people. That morphed into a multi-billion dollar industry only because it started getting attention on the Front Range, in conjunction with the explosion in post-WW2 tourism nationally, and the towns had to grow and evolve in concert with the increased demand.
Here, they're talking about doing a full-scale top-down conversion without any appreciation for the local culture or the impact on the people who currently live there. And that's because these idiots have a stupid, SimCity view of how societies and their economies function.
Online pickles? Sure why not.
You're a pedantic bore. Your question is stupid. Because even if NO political party had EVER won 3 consecutive Presidential elections since FDR ........ that still wouldn't redeem Hillary's failure.
To repeat:
She lost to a hand-picked opponent.
She lost to a complete amateur.
She lost to a game show celeb.
She lost an election the number-crunching geniuses said she had 99% chance to win.
"Aw shucks, it sure is tough for one party to win 3 times in a row - except for 1980 1984 1988, but that doesn't count because the '88 Prez was the '84 VP. Oh, and 1992 1996 2000 because Gore definitely won in 2000 and it got stolen - but that doesn't count either because Gore was the '96 VP."
Nope. Not a valid excuse. Clinton missed a layup.
Wait until the dumbfuck finds out what language the people in Donbas speak.
In 1922 the Soviets created the Ukraine SSR out of the Russian SSR and what they took from the Austro-Hungarian empire. Before this Ukraine never existed.
Well....no, the Ukranian People's Republic declared itself independent in 1917 during the Revolution. They were re-incorporated back into Russian territory, the USSR, by January 1918. So they did briefly exist as an independent state prior to the USSR.
Sure, but Putin's discussion covered such a span of time that it'd be more accurate to say under its sweep that Russia was part of Ukraine.
I see a third phase for many ski towns: the transition into chic, exclusive destinations for the hyper-wealthy. Those places have highly distorted economies, and societies. And while they are successful in some ways, many locals despise what they helped create.
Not easily. He’s quite dumb.
Obama assassinated an American citizen. Does that count?
What about Sadam and his kids? Samey same?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a
TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
WTF are you talking about, steaming pile of shit?
Correct. Prior to around the 1990s, you didn't see these distortions. Places like Aspen, Vail, Steamboat Springs, Telluride, etc., were really quite low-scale, mom-and-pop towns. The explosion of global finance starting in the 1980s also affected these towns by grossly distorting their local economies, where the populations consist of the hyper-wealthy and a very economically struggling working class, inhabited by champagne socialists, pretentious hipsters, and immigrant peon labor.
You also see this in other states, like Park City in Utah and Jackson in Wyoming. Cody, Wyoming and Bozeman, Montana are heading sharply in this direction, too.
A couple of years ago, I attended a community meeting in Crested Butte, while visiting friends. Listening to actual limousine liberals and upper class socialists was a trip.
Nobody really recognized it and it didn't really control the territory.
Also, it wasn't even a year.
And my understanding is that they were still organized as a soviet, though I’m not positive.
Russians and Ruthenians (Ukrainians) were the Keivian Rus. There was no distinction, they were the same people, and the Ruthenians were just a subgroup of Rus-sians until the 20th century.
You were gone a long time; had hopes you'd died a slow painful death.
Fuck off, prick.
The Iraqis executed Saddam. We did kill his psychopath sons, but I’m not feeling too bad about that.
He offered the world order!
Crested Butte's been the latest magnet for shitlib Denverites since the pandemic started. It's seeing all the same distortions of these idiots migrating up there now, too.
Look at how things have gone to hell in Ukraine since they've been deprived of Hunter's guidance.