He Allegedly Killed a Cop During a No-Knock Raid. Will the Jury Agree It Was Self-Defense?
Almost 10 years after his arrest, Marvin Guy will soon learn if he'll spend the rest of his life in prison.

BELTON, TEXAS—A man in small-town Texas is facing life in prison for allegedly killing a police officer. But the trial—which commenced Monday after a nearly decade-long wait—is a confluence of police use of force, the war on drugs, and the right to self-defense. Its outcome will in part answer the following question: How far does a self-defense claim go when it's exercised against the state?
At around 5:45 a.m. on May 9, 2014, a SWAT team in Killeen, Texas—consisting of about two dozen officers—descended on Marvin Guy's modest apartment on Circle M Drive. They were there to execute a no-knock drug raid, a controversial approach that allows law enforcement to forcibly enter a residence, usually with a fabulous display of force, without first announcing themselves. An informant had reportedly told police that Guy was dealing cocaine.
The raid did not go as planned.
Officers smashed Guy's bedroom window and attempted to breach the door with a battering ram. But something appeared to be lodged behind the door, preventing police from immediately gaining entry and leaving them clogged outside the residence. In the rapidly unfolding mayhem, Guy fired several shots outside of his broken window, allegedly hitting four officers. Police quickly fired over 40 rounds in return. One officer, Detective Charles Dinwiddie, died.
Guy was arrested and ultimately charged with one count of capital murder and three counts of attempted capital murder. But he says he believed the police to be intruders when he was awoken and disoriented early that morning. Witnesses for the prosecution yesterday described the neighborhood as one that was known for its high crime rate. Less than a week before the raid, someone broke into Guy's neighbor's residence across the street in similar fashion, forcing entry via a first-floor window and choking a female resident nearly to death.
A series of protracted delays—stemming from the COVID-19 pandemic, Guy's declining health, disputes over the district attorney's office releasing all the evidence, and a slew of defense attorneys either quitting or being fired—have lengthened Guy's stay at the county jail, where he has been held for almost a decade on $4 million bond. For years, the state sought the death penalty, which also slowed trial preparations, as proceedings with the ultimate punishment on the table take more time. Prosecutors withdrew that last year, instead opting to pursue life in prison, to speed the process.
The case is not the first to pit self-defense against no-knock raids. The tactic has come under intense scrutiny in recent years. In 2020, Breonna Taylor was killed by police during a similar raid after her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, grabbed a firearm he legally owned and fired one shot at police, believing them to be intruders. (Police claim they announced themselves before breaking down Walker's door; Walker says he didn't hear them.) Charges against him were ultimately dismissed. In 2021, a Florida man went to trial facing three counts of first-degree attempted murder of a law enforcement officer after he shot at deputies during a 2017 drug raid targeting his father. The government also charged the defendant, Andrew Coffee IV, with murdering his girlfriend, Alteria Woods, who was shot and killed by police, as prosecutors posited that Woods died as a result of Coffee's actions. A jury acquitted him of those charges.
The topic is particularly relevant in Guy's case, as Texas has the Castle Doctrine, a legal principle grounded in the eponymous idea that someone's home is their castle. As such, they have no duty to retreat when they believe they're facing a deadly threat. An exception: It does not apply when the person in question is engaged in illegal activity. The Killeen Police Department (KPD) allegedly found traces of white powder in Guy's car, on the floor of his apartment, and in the trash, amounting to 1 gram of "suspected cocaine." He was not charged with a drug crime.
But even if the jury decides Guy is not entitled to protection via the Castle Doctrine, they could still find he acted in self-defense. The state, however, has a radically different theory: At trial yesterday, Bell County Assistant District Attorney Fred Burns laid the groundwork for the notion that the problems cascading from the raid weren't a result of Guy not having enough information. On the contrary—it's because he knew too much, Burns said.
That theory began to take shape during the testimony of David Daniels, a retired SWAT officer with KPD who was hit by a bullet during the raid. In this telling, Guy had barricaded the door to his apartment not because he was afraid of intruders but because he knew SWAT was coming and plotted to kill the police when they arrived. "We were ambushed," Daniels said. It was not yet clear how the state would prove Guy's clairvoyance about the department's plans.
The subject of no-knock raids has been a fraught one for KPD. The city recently reached a settlement with the family of a man who was killed during a 2019 raid. In 2021, the local council voted to ban the tactic. Unfortunately, that came too late here.
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How was he supposed to know?
Oh, they found “suspected cocaine” .
That makes all the difference in the world.
How much was the suspected cocaine worth? The cops ALWAYS tell the media how much the drugs are worth. If they can't put a street price on it it can't be cocaine.
It is suspected to be worth X.
44 billion?
That's what Twitter was worth, I think X is worth significantly less.
It was ten years ago. If it was actually drugs they'd have plastered that all over the trial.
It's actually an indirect admission by the cops. Of course they tested it, and if it was cocaine they'd say so. When they say "suspected cocaine" they mean "it wasn't cocaine and we're hoping nobody realized we're really saying."
It's only been 10 years, they're probably still awaiting the lab results. . .
They might have snorted the lab results.
I'm surprised the defense team did not jump all over that.
"MR Officer why did you not test the suspected cocaine?"
There was probably too little to test.
WTF is "suspected cocaine"? We have these things called laboratories where they do tests. Either it was cocaine or else it was one of a million other things that kinda sorta look like cocaine if you're high enough.
No knock raids are just stupid.
They like to look tough.
When there is a bust, there ought to be knockers.
Huge ones.
Huge... Tracts of land!!!
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Wow. Show us on the doll where he hurt you.
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Please consider yourself upvoted.
It’s a small apartment, so I’m assuming no back entry?
That’s what she said!
Real drug dealers almost NEVER fire at police officers during a raid. They are professionals who realize that there is no advantage for them to defend themselves and no profit in it. Most low-level drug dealers will be back on the street again within a year with no room in the bulging prisons to keep them incarcerated. This prosecution is bogus from the beginning, but I doubt that it will end with anything good for the victim!
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Are you COMPLETELY IGNORANT, of a FLAT OUT LIAR? Real drug dealers ALWAYS shoot first and never get around to asking questions if someone breaks into their home.
The ONLY part of your comment that is true is that prosecuting someone for believing they were acting in self defense when someone broke into their home is absurd.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the cops shot, were shot by their “brother officers.”
No way Denzel would shoot his team just to make the story look better. These are the boys in blue, they are here to protect and serve themselves and only themselves. This terrorist is so bad he should be executed for making the cops accidentally shoot each other in their porking stupor. We’ve got to put an end to this right wind extremist view that a civilian shouldn’t be sodomized by cops at their every whim. If we can just take a few amendments away in exchange for protection everyone will live happily ever after. And if not then the jack boot thugs will make you live happily ever after.
Acab. Every single one of them.
This is one jury I wouldn’t mind being on.
That's why you'll never be on one. Prosecutors know how to weed out libertarians.
It just occurred to me that I fit the stereotype.
They can tell. I've been registered to vote in the same county for 48 years and I've never been selected.
That’s wild.
The jury is out if that is intentional.
I’ll be the judge of that.
Particularly if it is a hung jury -prudence.
15 years and I've only been called once, sent home the night before via voicemail. My very liberal neighbor (tm) has been selected to sit on 5 juries in half that time.
I have received 2 jury summons in my life. The first time I was dismissed before the reporting date on the grounds it was finals week at the college I was attending. The second time, I was instructed to call after 5pm on Friday to find out if I should report at 8am on Monday, the case was settled before that time.
Yeah, never been selected, lived in the same country for almost 20 years before moving out. Haven't received a summons in my new county in the two years I've been here.
But then, I don't know if I fit the profile.
Just wear an Ayn Rand t shirt and you’ll be fine.
Neckbeard, fedora or both?
Does not seem unhappy to be there and isn't trying to get out of it.
disputes over the district attorney's office releasing all the evidence,
These DAs need to be charged and jailed for violating people's due process rights. There are never any consequences for state goons.
One of them is using new pronouns: was/were
Makes sense...it was in Killeen, get it?
The Killeen Police Department (KPD) allegedly found traces of white powder in Guy's car, on the floor of his apartment, and in the trash, amounting to 1 gram of "suspected cocaine." He was not charged with a drug crime.
Oh, for fuck's sake. It's always the same shit, isn't it? And this guy has been locked up for 10 years?
One of the fundamental principles of the American legal system is that the process is the punishment.
"Suspected", used in this context, is police code for "not."
You are correct.
Looks like they nabbed their Guy.
This case is eerily identical to the plot from an episode of "Picket Fences" from 1994.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0674727/?ref_=ttep_ep18
Great show.
On a random sidenote, Steve Lehto did a piece on a Cop being blocked from suing another Cop due to Qualified Immunity. I bring it up because QI is what these guys are also going to get off on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD_oPpNSl4
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"because he knew SWAT was coming and plotted to kill the police when they arrived. "We were ambushed," Daniels said."
- OR - MAYBE -
"Less than a week before the raid, someone broke into Guy's neighbor's residence across the street in similar fashion, forcing entry via a first-floor window and choking a female resident nearly to death."
He was concerned about this. Which seems more likely:
1) that he was concerned about home defense due to recent and extremely local examples of violent crime against his neighbors and decided to take measures to protect himself, and it just so happened that those same measures worked somewhat against the cops as well
2) he had a network of secret informants within the KPD who were privy to the details and planning of the raid, and they willingly fed him advance information about the time of the raid and manner of entry, with no regard for the safety of their fellow LEOs
Tough…
And 1.a. It's Texas. Who doesn't have guns for home protection?
We will see if the evidence backs him up.
Well, if they can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, he should get convicted. It doesn't look likely, though.
No, it doesn't. The state isn't claiming that he can't defend himself, the state is claiming that he deliberately created a situation where he could kill police officers. It seems like a far fetched claim, but either way, the outcome of the case does not determine "how far a self defense claim can go".
The fact that he killed a police officer is not in question; there is no "allegedly" about it.
That's the real injustice here: no case should take this long.
No, it doesn’t. The state isn’t claiming that he can’t defend himself, the state is claiming that he deliberately created a situation where he could kill police officers. It seems like a far fetched claim, but either way, the outcome of the case does not determine “how far a self defense claim can go”.
It's telling that you omitted the "when it’s exercised against the state" part of that quote, which was a damned important qualifier.
Released:Time served! He a decent world.
I agree with nearly all of your comment. I would add that it would be impossible to prove he knew a no knock warrant was being executed, even if he did. I would also add that Covid-19 could not possibly have delayed ANYTHING in 2017.
He didn’t “allegedly” kill a cop, it is for certain he killed a cop. The question is whether it was justified
Are we sure the cop wasn't killed by another cop when they opened fire?
Left unanswered in all this mess is why the city PD felt the need to execute a search warrant for
"alleged cocaine"any reason whatsoever at one in the morning. Was there an active hostage situation in Mr. Guy's apartment? Was he threatening to press a switch that would blow up the white house? Is Mr. Guy known for shooting people who approach his house (during daylight hours)?It sure sounds like Detective Dinwiddie, as they say, "fucked around and found out".
If they have a search warrant that allows them to break in, why not do it when nobody is home?
No knock raids are complete bullshit. There is absolutely no reason for them. They only endanger people (both suspects and LEOs). Any police departments, municipalities or judges advocating for or signing off on them should have the responsible agents removed from office.
here-here
The problem with "no-knock" raids IMHO is the majority of them are not necessary and are performed more for the Law Enforcement Agency's thrill factor then anything else. This person could have been placed under surveillance and apprehended at a time and place of minimal risk.
Yeah, it's totally stupid. There are many ways it could be done that would minimize danger to everyone involved.
If you read the book "The Rise of the Warrior Cop" by Radley Balko - its full of stories like this. People who defended their families (especially during a wrong address raid) and were either killed to charged with manslaughter. Their is never any accountable for cops.
The so-called war on drugs turned SWAT teams into profit centers for many police departments as the Feds handed over billions in cash grants and equipment.
To the person inside a house, a 'no-knock' warrant is indistinguishable from a home invasion. It seems every week we read about these warrants being executed on the wrong address by police who can't read street numbers or due to 'informants' who provide sketchy details. Many times, a simple Google Maps search would reveal the error. These warrants need to be banned. They claim they are in place to protect both the police and the public but clearly, from this story and countless others, they do neither.
Let's hope the jury does the right thing and finds this man not guilty. No knock raids are ignorant.
The "Castle Doctrine" is always a defense because we are assumed innocent until proven guilty, after a trial, even if LEOs assume the opposite as they smash into our home, armed and dangerous.
When are the LEOs ever going to be prosecuted for murder in cases where they kill unarmed citizens, or citizens who didn't resist?
NEVER! We are the serfs, they are nobles. Our "rights" are their's to trample, not protect. And the majority vote for this, want it, fear the loss of of being ruled by force. Why? 'Cause that would be "chaos".
Evidence? Even IF there ever was any; the mother fucking thieving lying pigs have already sold it. That's what they do in my county, and nearby cities. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-cnet-commander-sentenced-14-years-drug-robbery-and-civil-rights-violations -
tells us what little happens when shit eating hogs exactly like Norman Wielsch, Commander of the Central Contra Costa County Narcotics Enforcement Team and a Special Agent Supervisor of the California Department of Justice, steal $70,000 in drugs from evidence lockers and force citizens to vend it on the street for them. He only served 7 years because they forgot to prosecute him for the sales of illegal weapons & steroids, the "dirty DUIs", and the prostitution ring.
If any cop suckers (like our own "5.56" here) want to deny any of that; here's lots more links:
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Former Antioch PD "Officer", and PI, Chris Butler, Deputy Stephen Tanabe, Concord PD's Don Lawson, and San Ramon's Louis Lombardi recieved from 15 months to 4 years in well deserved cages for their parts. "Our Heroes" managed to hide the shit that sheriff narcotics detective Robert Bradshaw and Martinez PD's Walkup pulled at other times.
My state of Florida has banned these No knock raids because of all the shoot outs between honest citizens and lost police.
When you're a cop, there are no honest citizens. Only police and suspects.
"No Knock"raids should be banned everywhere.
And everyone is guilty.