SCOTUS Will Decide When the Government's Social Media Meddling Violates the First Amendment
The justices agreed to consider whether the Biden administration's efforts to suppress online "misinformation" were unconstitutional.

On Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court stayed a preliminary injunction aimed at preventing federal officials from unconstitutionally interfering with content moderation decisions by social media platforms. At the same time, the Court agreed to decide the merits of the case, Murthy v. Missouri, during its current term. The stay will remain in place until the justices resolve that case, so the Biden administration meanwhile is free to resume contacts with social media companies that a federal judge and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit concluded were probably inconsistent with the First Amendment.
Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch, objected to the Court's "unreasoned" stay, saying the government had failed to show that it would suffer "irreparable harm" if the 5th Circuit's injunction remained in place while the case was pending. "Government censorship of private speech is antithetical to our democratic form of government, and therefore today's decision is highly disturbing," Alito wrote. "Despite the Government's conspicuous failure to establish a threat of irreparable harm, the majority stays the injunction and thus allows the defendants to persist in committing the type of First Amendment violations that the lower courts identified."
The case began with a lawsuit by the attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana, joined by several social media users whose posts had been downgraded or deleted as "misinformation." They argued that such decisions resulted from relentless pressure by federal officials who were determined to suppress online speech they viewed as dangerous to public health, democracy, or national security. The plaintiffs said that pressure, which was accompanied by implicit threats of retaliation against noncompliant platforms, crossed the line between permissible government speech and censorship by proxy.
Last July, U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty agreed. Doughty issued a preliminary injunction, backed by a 155-page opinion, that restricted communications between several federal agencies and social media platforms. Last month, the 5th Circuit upheld the gist of Doughty's decision, although it narrowed the terms of his injunction and reduced the number of agencies to which it applied.
Under the 5th Circuit's injunction, the White House, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy's office, the FBI, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) were forbidden to "coerce or significantly encourage social-media companies to remove, delete, suppress, or reduce, including through altering their algorithms, posted social-media content containing protected free speech." This month, after a rehearing requested by the plaintiffs, the 5th Circuit expanded that injunction to cover the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.
The Biden adminstration asked the Supreme Court to intervene, saying the injunction placed "unprecedented limits on the ability of the President's closest aides to use the bully pulpit to address matters of public concern, on the FBI's ability to address threats to the Nation's security, and on the CDC's ability to relay public-health information at platforms' request." U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar rejected the plaintiffs' characterization of interactions between federal officials and social media companies regarding COVID-19 "misinformation," saying the ensuing decisions to delete posts, banish specific users, or modify content rules resulted from a collaborative process. "Rather than any pattern of coercive threats backed by sanctions," she said, "the record reflects a back-and-forth in which the government and platforms often shared goals and worked together, sometimes disagreed, and occasionally became frustrated with one another, as all parties articulated and pursued their own goals and interests during an unprecedented pandemic."
That "back-and-forth," however, included "requests" that were tantamount to commands. "Are you guys fucking serious?" Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty said in an email to Facebook. "I want an answer on what happened here and I want it today." Because Facebook was "not trying to solve the problem," White House COVID-19 adviser Andrew Slavitt told Facebook, the White House was "considering our options on what to do about it." On another occasion, Flaherty told Twitter to delete a parody account tied to one of Biden's grandchildren "immediately," saying he could not "stress [enough] the degree to which this needs to be resolved immediately."
According to Prelogar, such interactions did not amount to government-directed censorship. "It is axiomatic that the government is entitled to provide the public with information and to 'advocate and defend its own policies,'" she said. "A central dimension of presidential power is the use of the Office's bully pulpit to seek to persuade Americans—and American companies—to act in ways that the President believes would advance the public interest." Although "the government cannot punish people for expressing different views" or "threaten to punish the media or other intermediaries for disseminating disfavored speech," she said, "there is a fundamental distinction between persuasion and coercion."
Prelogar complained that the 5th Circuit had conflated the former with the latter. She said the appeals court could not cite "a single instance in which an official paired a request to remove content with a threat of adverse action." She also noted that "the platforms declined the officials' requests routinely and without consequence."
As the Biden administration sees it, coercion requires an explicit threat tied to a specific request, followed by imposition of that "consequence" when a platform rejects the request. The plaintiffs take a broader view of coercion, arguing that it can be inferred when public and private castigation is coupled with repeated references to presidential displeasure and the potential consequences of failing to meet the "responsibility" that administration officials insisted the social media platforms had to control "misinformation." Federal officials publicly said holding social media companies "accountable" could entail "legal and regulatory measures," new privacy regulations, "a robust anti-trust program," and reduced legal protection against civil claims based on user-posted content.
"The bully pulpit is not a pulpit to bully," the plaintiffs said in opposition to Prelogar's request for a stay. "The district court's findings and the evidence establish an extensive
campaign by federal officials in the White House, the Surgeon General's Office, the CDC, and the FBI to silence disfavored viewpoints on social media….To induce platforms to remove such content, White House officials resorted to a battery of harassing and menacing statements." The 5th Circuit's injunction should be left in place, they argued, because it "closely matches what the First Amendment already requires [federal officials] to do."
Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch were sympathetic to that view. "The Court of Appeals agreed with the District Court's assessment of the evidence, which, in its words, showed the existence of 'a coordinated campaign' of unprecedented 'magnitude orchestrated by federal officials that jeopardized a fundamental aspect of American life,'" Alito wrote. "The Court of Appeals found that 'the district court was correct in its assessment'" that "'unrelenting pressure' from certain government officials likely 'had the intended result of suppressing millions of protected free speech postings by American citizens.'"
Alito said the administration's claim of "irreparable harm" from the 5th Circuit's injunction was based on nothing more than speculation that it might have a chilling impact on permissible government speech. Suppose, Prelogar said, the president "urges platforms not to disseminate misinformation about a recent natural disaster circulating online" and "the platforms comply." Or suppose "the President condemns the role that social media has played in harming teenagers' mental health, calls on platforms to exercise greater responsibility, and mentions the possibility of legislative reforms." Prelogar suggested that such statements might be construed as violating the 5th Circuit's injunction.
"It does not appear that any of the Government's hypothetical communications would actually be prohibited by the injunction," Alito said. "Nor is any such example provided by the Court's unreasoned order. The Government claims that the injunction might prevent 'the President and the senior officials who serve as his proxies' from 'speak[ing] to the public on matters of public concern.'" But "the President himself is not subject to the injunction," and "in any event, the injunction does not prevent any Government official from speaking on any matter or from urging any entity or person to act in accordance with the Government's view of responsible conduct."
Alito noted that "the injunction applies only when the Government crosses the line and begins to coerce or control others' exercise of their free-speech rights." He asked: "Does the Government think that the First Amendment allows Executive Branch officials to engage in such conduct? Does it have plans for this to occur between now and the time when this case is decided?"
Since the 5th Circuit's injunction is no longer in effect, we may find out. Ultimately, however, the Supreme Court needs to clarify not only the difference between "persuasion" and "coercion" in this context but also the point at which the government's influence on content moderation is so extensive that it is unconstitutionally "encouraging" speech restrictions.
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The government coercing media to suppress free speech is the government suppressing free speech.
Sqrlsy hardest hit.
100%. The rest is attorney spin.
The stay makes no sense.
What irreparable harm will the government face if they cannot censor content?
Words are violence!
Silence is violence!
Israel has a right to defend itself as long as nobody ends up getting hurt when they do.
Where is the executive authorized to show any concern over speech? Where is the allocation for it?
Trump will show us The Way! All Hail to The Triumph and Tri-Trumps of The Will!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-threats-social-media-twitter-fact-check-warning-executive-order/
“Don't look at the Democrats suppressing speech… LOOK OVER THERE INSTEAD!!! It’s Trump and he’s being provocative!”
I call you “Shillsy” for good reason.
BOTH SIDES want to suppress free speech by killing Section 230! And Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer the GIANT FAKE BOOB agrees with them both!
So your “fix” for this is to vote for Trump again? Or for Josh Hawley? https://reason.com/2019/03/01/josh-hawley-section-230-big-tech-cpac/ Sen. Josh Hawley Rails Against ‘Big Tech,’ Anti-Conservative Bias, and Section 230
https://reason.com/2019/06/25/the-moral-scolds-new-illiberal-right-internet-hawley-230/ The Moral Scolds of the New Illiberal Right Are Coming For Your Internet
From Sohrab Ahmari to Josh Hawley, what the new right really wants is to squelch free expression.
TRUST in us, just TRUST in us, they say!!!
The stupid thing with their plan is that repealing Section 230 isn't even necessary. If the "platform" companies are going to exert editorial control and curate their user-posted content, they should be effectively seen as deliberately opting out of eligibility for protection under that section. The whole intention of 230 is to eliminate a strong incentive for companies which claim to be a "digital town square" for the open exchange of ideas among individuals to claim to have some kind of necessity for censorship. Once a platform decides to curate what ideas are and aren't allowed, they're making themselves a "publisher" and entering a category not covered by 230, which then makes them accountable for the choices they're making; if they're doing so at the direction of Government agents (except possibly for protection of "national security" information which is something that US News outlets have historically done in certain instances), then that's wandering into literal fascism, where the State uses control of "private" actors to accomplish violations (or effective revocation) of certain rights on the part of the people while maintaining a pretense of deniability. When the ideas being suppressed in this manner are ones which are deemed to be "problematic" by political agents or because they're hidering some State Agenda, that's another mark of literal fascism; it really should be Antifa leading the charge on this issue, not Alito and Thomas, unless "antifa" members aren't actually fighting fascism, or maybe don't truly know what "fascism" means and just sling the term at anyone they happen to disagree with in the current moment...
The Dems aren't suppressing anything, just ask them. All they're doing is sending a list of targets-er-"suggestions" to companies run by major donors to the DNC and most Democratic Candidates in the nation (has anyone whose email shows up in the twitter files or facebook files records on the corporate side not met Ro Khana, Kamala Harris, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and Xavier Becerra personally? Probably Secretary "Bootyjuice" as well?); they've got no guarantee that those people will choose "of their own free will" (and in the hopes of forestalling some kind of anti-trust action over their 80%+ market share, or their complicity in having their "right wing" competition completely removed from the internet in under 72 hours on a provably false premise).
Even if the Dems were censoring speech on "open" platforms with some kind of government/private collusion, whatever they did censor was "dangerous" (even if only to a favorable outcome in an election, but "Orange Man Bad" so whatever), just ask them and they'll confirm it; don't ask to know what was censored though, because it'd be too "dangerous" to let anyone know because "insurrection" and "domestic terrorism" and "white supremacy" and "microagressions".
Sort of like how Obama backed down from claiming the authority to order US Citizens assassinated without due process (after having done it at least twice), by adding the caveat that the President only had that power "if the National Command Authority" decided it was necessary. It's not Obama's fault that the NCA also happens to be the Commander in Chief, and also the President meaning his "compromise" was to make himself the one person with the authority to allow or deny himself that authority. All the alleged "liberals" who were ripshit over W having a lawyer write a memo saying that AQ isn't covered by Geneva Conventions because they're not uniformed solders answering to a signatory nation of the treaty never so much as skipped a latte over St Barack (the Infallible) having one of his lawyers do the same thing except in the latter case the memo tried to allow wholesale violation of the 4th and 6th Amendments (at the very least) and targeted Citizens of the USA. Both memos are extremely problematic, but any "constitutional scholar" should be able to see in a few seconds that the latter one is far more severe than the former.
It's happening and it's a good thing.
If anything we should be doing it more.
"Doing it" leads to more babies! A good thing in some circumstances... Bad in udders! Shit is where Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer the GIANT FAKE BOOB came from!
Lesson learned... Don't DOOO, DOOO-DOOO shit! Shit leads to BAD shit!
(Now THAT'S some bad-ass shit!)
NY AG just violated a court order where she has a hold on executing a passed law but she sent out letters to SM companies despite the hold. I'm sure she will be charged.
Story here.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/new-york-ag-flouts-court-orders-pressuring-social-media-censor-hateful-speech
Do not hold your breath waiting for that.
Waiting for the DOJ and komrade Garland to swing into action.
I don't know whether you mean the upcoming supreme court ruling is happening and it's a good thing or the government is free to suppress protected speech online for a while longer and it's a good thing!
The court allowing it to continue, while they decide, is criminal.
" . . . saying the government had failed to show that it would suffer "irreparable harm" if the 5th Circuit's injunction remained in place while the case was pending."
Are you kidding me?!
If people are allowed to say nice things about Trump it will double the workload of federal employees to rig the next election. Not to mention crazy people telling the truth about laptops, vaccines, climate change, and national borders.
It will reduce the amount of misinformation government can spread.
The government can't spread "misinformation" when the government claims the sole power to define what constitutes "misinformation". If the guy at DHS who actually makes those deterinations is named either Winston Smith, or O'Brien, it might actually prove we're in a simulation and ChatGPT is just the authors of it sticking their head up for a progress check on their work.
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And there are wars to be propagandized, comrade. Don't forget that.
We don't do wars anymore, please keep up.
There are just massive overreactions to minor incursions, like in the middle east.
Policy and law aren’t the same thing. Courts rule on law, not policy.
I’m sure that statement will draw venom from distinction-challenged people.
They know who the are.
See this is the type of dishonesty you revel in. Youve already attributes mal intentions to anyone who responds to you while not giving your opinion on censorship. And we both know why lol.
You should also be aware policy extends from law. When the executive steps put of what they are authorized to do, the policy is not a legal extension of power.
Again. You try to present a meaningless difference of words to try to argue for a position instead of just stating your opinion.
Youve already attributes mal intentions to anyone who responds to you..
Not anyone. Just you and your girlfriends.
while not giving your opinion on censorship. And we both know why lol.
And you prove me correct in the very next sentence.
You should also be aware policy extends from law.
You mean they're not synonyms? Be careful. You might accidentally agree with me which is against your rules.
You try to present a meaningless difference of words to try to argue for a position instead of just stating your opinion.
If distinctions are meaningless, why do we have different words?
By the way, why should I give my opinion? Whenever I do you call me a liar because it isn't what the voices in your head told you.
"Policy and law aren’t the same thing. Courts rule on law, not policy."
Sarcasmic's the best on this.
sarcasmic
February.7.2021 at 2:27 pm
So there’s a difference between law (what society deems to be wrong) and legislation (rules backed with government force)
The FJB administrations policy is in direct contravention of the very idea of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
A normal lay person would also say it violates the first amendment, though it could be argued on a technicality since “Congress” didn’t pass a law allowing such policy to be formed and executed (although even that may not technically be true thanks to Patriot Act, FOSTA, and others). This of course ignores the fact that the constitution limits the power of the Executive so most of the imperial presidency power is 100% suspect.
The damage from the Patriot Act continues to unfold.
Policy and law aren’t the same thing. Courts rule on law, not policy.
That is factually incorrect. Courts rule on alphabet agency policy and regulation all the time-- regulations which are definitionally not laws.
For all intents and purposes, regulations are laws. They're written rules with the power of law. And that's what courts rule on - written rules. Not policy.
I think a Venn diagram of policy and law would be in order here. While policy and law might not be identical, they overlap significantly. Courts rule on policy when policy violates the law.
It is New York City Police Department Policy to stop and frisk everyone we see.
Three cheers for Alito, Gorsuch and Thomas, champions of liberty and heroes of the nation! They see what is really going on, the government forcing social media companies to obey them under threat of punishment. Anything the government does should be considered a threat of punishment. In fact anything that any politician says should be considered a threat of punishment. It should be illegal for politicians to speak because every word they speak is a violation of the First Amendment. Hopefully the conservative Supreme Court (Thanks, Donald Trump!) will rule in this way and ban politicians from speaking.
Someone has to defend the poor little federal government from the tyranny of the constitution!
Trump agrees! Twat more needs to be said?!?!?
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must Shit be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, Shit Has Become Known Unto us, that Shit is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must Shit Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with shit! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered shit ALL! You can take the rest of the day off now.
(You’re welcome!)
As I've said before, the Constitution is a limit on government, not a protection for it. The government has literally zero concerns about it limiting its own power.
"Anything the government does should be considered a threat of punishment. In fact anything that any politician says should be considered a threat of punishment."
Imagine trying to pull this obvious gaslighting off on an ostensibly libertarian website. Say what you want about Shrike, but his job isn't easy.
Oddly enough, I actually agree with the part you quoted...
Hey sarc. It is kind of obvious when you pull this out after being embarrassed.
Is this the time to post you defending Mackey getting 7 months over a meme?
It's unfortunate that only three judges objected to the stay. It does not bode well for the final ruling in this case.
Looking forward to Kagen, Sotomayor, and Brown-Jackson’s dissent, arguing why the US government should be allowed to abridge freedom of speech and the press.
That's under the fytw clause of the constitution
As sqrsly says, it is just government free speech even when it takes your rights away.
Dissent against Democrats is the highest form of treason, because the Left is the source of Goodness and Light.
It is the flip coin of Hillary Clinton's "dissent against (Republican run government) is the highest form of patriotism".
indeed. those bolsheviks will tie themselves into knots to justify any and all government power.
Kagan and Sotomayor have previously been supporters of the First Amendment in other cases, so it’s a mystery to me why they approved a stay on the ruling from the lower court. They would have to explain why the government interfering in the free speech of private citizens on a private platform is an exception to the general rule. Of course it is not beyond their skills to use tens of thousands of words and dozens of pages of paper to perform amazing feats of mental and logical gymnastics to do so, but I feel certain that it will not improve the liberty and fundamental rights of Americans in any recognizable way!
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I have it on good authority that the ultimate determination of the constitutionality of speech restrictions is made by the good people in the Reason comment section!
Considering most of us are smarter than your average political class hack and can understand the plain language of the constitution, yes?
SCOTUS isn't "the average political class hack".
Considering decisions like Dred Scott, Wickard, Slaughterhouse, Plessy, Korematau, and more recently Kelo, or the dissents in Heller, Macdonald, Citizens United, etc. I think you’re assuming facts not in evidence.
Don’t forget Bostock my friend. I can/should be fired for recruiting for my heterosexual softball league at work but a man recruiting for his homosexual softball league at work is exercising his “equally-protected” free speech rights because the word “sex” actually means “sex”, “sexual orientation”, “gender”, and “gender orientation” and clearly meant them at the time of the law’s passing.
The Reason comment section would be just as valid an appeal to authority as the retarded one you made in the thread you’re referencing, where you stated that any policy given an official imprimatur by any government authority is the final and conclusive word on the matter, terminating any possibility of debate. By your own logic this case shouldn’t even be going to the supreme court. For that matter, there really shouldn’t even be a supreme court, since the diktats of anyone with an official seal are as good as stone tablets from the mount. Perhaps you should have considered some of those things before you decided to sperg out and die on the hill of being a servile bootlicking Nazi faggot.
Feel free to fuck off back to whatever authoritarian shit hole you crawled out of by the way. At least the wetbacks are good for picking lettuce.
Oh dear, you forgot you're using a sock, aren't you?
Yes, I come from an authoritarian shithole. That's why I recognize how idiots like you turn countries into authoritarian shitholes, because you can't fight authoritarianism if you don't even understand the issues (or, as in your case, are incapable of reading).
English not being your first language and your servile bootlicking Nazi faggot IQ being in double digits, I can understand why this would be confusing to you, but sock puppeting is when you use multiple accounts with the intention of presenting them as different people. Like what sarcasmic and shreek do. I randomize my handle. I never present myself as a different person. Hope that helps.
Yeah, you already tried your magic underpants gnomes theory of political change in the last thread where you utterly and completely humiliated yourself, you servile bootlicking Nazi faggot. Turns out genuflecting to the administrative state on what does or does not qualify as first amendment protected speech because you’re a stupid, pusillanimous, servile bootlicking Nazi faggot isn’t how you fight authoritarianism. You might have gotten a hint about that when being a servile bootlicking Nazi faggot failed to reverse the authoritarianism in the shit hole you emigrated from. Then again, I’m sure you fled from some shit hole Soviet bloc country because you were afraid of being found out as a collaborator after the regime ended. The men that you and your faggot bitch family got killed were the ones advancing liberty and fighting totalitarianism, not you.
I'm more than capable of reading your inane drivel, by the way. That's why I quoted you fully and completely before shoving your servile Nazi faggotry up your asshole. If you don't like that happening, try not being a servile Nazi faggot and then lying about it less than 100 pixels of screen space below where your servile Nazi faggotry is preserved in perpetuity in black and white.
Most people on the Reason can read and comprehend the Constitution, rather than looking for ways to subvert it.
From The Westminster Declaration, a statement regarding government censorship and jawboning from the international community:
It is important to remember that Murthy v. Missouri is not happening in isolation, it is absolutely part and parcel of a wide-ranging effort by the leaders of democracies all over the world to reign in speech.
Charlie Hebdo said it better and terser.
If 9 months hence we all discover that the Biden administration has been jawboning social media companies to suppress "disinformation" about the Israeli-Hamas war while this stay was lifted, I want this to be remembered.
Earlier in this thread, there is a discussion about the distinction between policy and law. They are distinct, but not in kind, only merely in the order in which each appears. If you don't want bad law, you have to nip bad policies in the bud. Otherwise you will spend all your life calling for a clean up on aisle 2.
Prelogar is just full of BS lies and deception. Funny how apparently there's no threat going on while Reason just ran an article https://reason.com/2023/10/20/hes-going-to-prison-for-twitter-trolling-thats-not-justice
I'd like to send a big 'Fuck You' to anyone who decides that it's appropriate to wear a military officer's uniform without having ever done a single thing to earn it.
For some specific things that's happened recently, or just on general principles?
This dude and the Rachel Levine 'first female admiral' guy.
Here's the one thing I live by: I don't believe anything the government says.
And as George Carlin also stated," I don't take very seriously anything the main stream media says either."
I consider both entities as serial liars.
Never take anything the government says at face value. The government is the enemy of the people.
“…could not cite “a single instance in which an official paired a request to remove content with a threat of adverse action.” ”
Nice little platform ya got there. Be shame if anything were to happen to it….
So Long Dong, Palito, Mutterkreuz Mom and Gorbasuch will know it when they see it. Why does this sound eerily and awkwardly familiar? Why?
And if you Google that case Goolge re-routes your search. Anybody got a mind!