Disinformation Reporter Ben Collins Failed To Correct the Gaza Hospital Story
Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards?

Ben Collins is a reporter for NBC News who specializes in coverage of disinformation and extremism, particularly on social media. His work has earned him many plaudits, including a 2023 Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Television Political Journalism.
Collins is treated as an expert in the burgeoning field of countering the spread of misinformation. Yet his error rate is noteworthy.
Take the Gaza hospital explosion, for example. On Tuesday, reports surfaced that the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza had come under attack, resulting in as many as 500 deaths. The New York Times ran with "Israeli Strikes Kill Hundreds in Hospital, Palestinians Say." Underneath this headline was an image of an obliterated building—readers who squinted would have noticed that this was not the hospital, but a completely different target.
The Times' only source for information about the explosion was the Gaza Health Ministry; mainstream reporting noted that Palestinian authorities laid the blame squarely on an Israeli airstrike. Subsequent intelligence reports from both Israel and the U.S. provide credible evidence that the hospital was most probably struck by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a terrorist group.
Did Collins soberly wait for these facts to come in? Nope. The award-winning disinformation expert helped circulate the inaccurate claims of the Palestinian authorities. When other voices on social media recommended caution, Collins chimed in to assert that any delay in reporting the horrific casualty numbers represented a profound moral failing. (Casualty estimates have yet to be confirmed.)
In theory, the confusion surrounding the hospital explosion is a great topic for a self-described disinformation reporter. Many left-leaning writers and political figures recklessly endorsed the Palestinian view that Israel had bombed the hospital. Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D–Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) both made statements blaming Israel and did not swiftly delete them after what really happened became clearer. Omar eventually acknowledged the new information, but Tlaib again blamed Israel for the explosion during a speech at a pro-Palestine rally outside the U.S. Capitol. Is this not something worthy of coverage by Collins and company?
Keep in mind that Collins represents the journalistic side of a multi-faceted effort to monitor and eliminate purportedly wrong ideas. Disinformation tracking has become an industry unto itself, and aspects of the industry enjoy government funding: A disinformation watchdog that called on advertisers to divest from various non-liberal news sources—including Reason—received funding from the U.S. State Department.
Disinformation reporters often seem interested in sparring only with contrarian people and in defense of mainstream narratives: Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, Elon Musk, and others. Collins, for instance, downplayed the New York Post's Hunter Biden laptop story and denied that there was any effort to censor the lab leak theory of COVID-19's origins, even in the wake of ceaseless revelations that various government agencies pressured social media companies to de-platform contrarian speech about precisely these topics.
Collins' reporting often contains basic errors that suggest he doesn't particularly understand the right-wing forces he's denouncing. His most recent article alleges that Musk's plans for Twitter were shaped by a far-right former Trump administration staffer, even though it's fairly clear the staffer wasn't actually telling Musk what to do, but rather warning about what would happen to Musk if he offended "the regime." If that sounds conspiratorial, try to follow this clip of Collins and MSNBC's Rachel Maddow elucidating the Musk plan. It's impossible to describe, so please watch:
In his latest article, @oneunderscore__ offers for consideration that the series of changes that have taken place at Twitter "may have been a plan all along."https://t.co/c5k2Jd6eWH pic.twitter.com/kt5jvUmftR
— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) October 3, 2023
What?
If you're going to paint broad swaths of opinion that depart from mainstream orthodoxy as paranoid and conspiratorial, you should take great pains to avoid echoing paranoia and conspiracy. You should also beware of elementary errors—like immediately taking a terrorist group's assertions at face value—and call out others who make them.
Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards?
Collins is not the only journalist who gets things wrong, of course. But there's something extra galling about journalistic errors when they are perpetrated by someone who holds himself out as especially talented at identifying lies. That's the real problem with the army of self-appointed fact-checkers and misinformation watchdogs who police social media with particular focus on alternative content creators—they're frequently no less wrong than anyone else.
Earlier this week, Reuters reported that U.S. lawmakers were "seeking answers" from Meta, X, Google, and TikTok about the spread of false information on those platforms.
"Deceptive content has ricocheted across social media sites since the conflict began, sometimes receiving millions of views," wrote Sen. Michael Bennet (D–Colo.) in a letter to the companies.
This framing totally ignores the fact that some of the most pernicious misstatements about the situation in Gaza were peddled by mainstream journalistic institutions like The New York Times. On social media, people were able to challenge prevailing narratives that the expert class had blindly accepted. For instance, Community Notes—the crowd-sourced, Wikipedia-style fact-checking system on X—is often able to provide useful context about claims that appear on that platform.
Disinformation reporters, on the other hand, are extremely partisan and prone to error. Let's stop pretending that they have some special, magical power to separate the truth from lies.
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“Let’s stop pretending that they have some special, magical power to separate the truth from lies.”
But lying should be OUTLAWED!
-a Certain Adolf-Adoring Hitler-Humping so-called "person"
All evidence presented so far by Israel indicate that Israel bombed the hospital.
Israel has released 5 stories - all different - and none of which correspond with evidence on the ground.
All evidence? Why don’t you present this overwhelming evidence?
Did you mean to say why won’t US and Israel show evidence that this specific horror, of many in the past couple of days, was a rocket by anyone else? But just so you know, one rocket will NOT do so much damage. You need at least 10. This was a heavy duty bomb. They will deny it like they denied everything in Syria. If you think this will make the world a better place, wait until heavy duty bombs start falling in your neighborhood. But most of you don’t even take a minute to think about that
If you actually look at the photos, there wasn't very much damage as claimed. The death count might be lower than reported.
The evidence points to Palestinians being the cause of the rocket.
Ah, so you'd be friends with Misek, huh? Let the antisemitism flow through you!
Extreme far left democrat nazis like ben collins will find themselves at a nice new modern Nuremberg trial someday.
Trying to shove all Jewish people into a gas chamber is not a cool thing to do. These democrats are going to find that out down the road.
Being a democrat is not a free license to hate / kill... even if the media claims it is.
Hillary Clinton?
The first casualty of war, any conflict, is the truth.
Look at how the bigots supporting Israel disregard the evidence and repeat their personal attacks. Everyone who recognizes the evidence is a Nazi. JEWS NEED NAZIS
They can neither prove what they claim or refute what they deny.
It’s not always obvious why irrational lying wastes of skin don’t won’t can’t distinguish truth, reality from lies, fiction.
I see you have some self reflection going on. Good for you.
"Disinformation reporters, on the other hand, are extremely partisan and prone to error."
They are not "prone to error". They are prone to upholding the Leftist narrative.
They are prone to support their political narrative.
He's a disinformation reporter.
He's reporting disinformation.
The label is right there on the tin, I'm not sure why anyone is shocked that he's doing the thing his job title says.
😉
Biden: “We believe in truth, not facts.”
All evidence presented so far by Israel indicate that Israel bombed the hospital.
Israel has released 5 stories - all different - and none of which correspond with evidence on the ground.
Israel bombed the hospital.
Is that you, Misek?
Provide the evidence or STFU.
Why do you appear to want so badly that it be Israel’s fault?
Plus, who changed their story more substantially... a hospital hit and ~400 killed!!! WOW
*visual evidence starts accumulating*
... oh wait.. it was a parking lot... yes,,, thats right.
but..but ... .it was Israel... and 400 could have easily died because of those evil Jews.. .shooting so cleverly from the Palestinian side.
Antisemite says what?
"Disinformation reporters" - is that what we're calling fact-checkers now?
Anti-anti-propagandists.
They're about as anti-propaganda as antifa is anti-fascist or the inflation reduction act is reducing inflation.
All evidence presented so far by Israel indicate that Israel bombed the hospital.
Israel has released 5 stories - all different - and none of which correspond with evidence on the ground.
Israel bombed the hospital.
Spam spam spam
They’re about as anti-propaganda as antifa is anti-fascist
^THIS^
Disinformationists for short.
I prefer 'lying bastards'.
Their other other White Meat is dead Jew babies
No, they're called disinformation reporters because they aren't fact-checkers. They're regime propagandists whose job is to call any contrary information "disinformation" or "misinformation." Even if they don't see if that way or don't realize it when they start out, that's what they're expected to do, and what they do end up doing if they continue with it.
Ministry of Truth; because we've always been at war with Eurasia.
Update:
Ministry of Truth; because we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
At the rate the current regime is going, by election day 2024, we may well be at war with Eurasia AND Eastasia. At least there won't be any need to have the Minitru staffers burning the midnight oil to change out all the decorations for hate week at the last minute...
At the rate the current regime is going, by election day 2024, we may well be at war with Eurasia AND Eastasia.
Not to worry, we can afford 2 wars at once. Janet Yellen says so, so it must true.
All evidence presented so far by Israel indicate that Israel bombed the hospital.
Israel has released 5 stories - all different - and none of which correspond with evidence on the ground.
Israel bombed the hospital.
More spam!
Ok just STFU Hamas.
No, it's the job of "disinformation reporters" to make sure only the correct disinformation gets media attention.
Robby needs to interview this guy. I want to see him go ballistic again.
While the outburst was good. I think something like this would be way better.
I'm pretty sure, with enough honest, straightforward questioning you could have them saying, 100% earnestly in David Duke/Dolchstosslegenden-style, that there's a secret cabal of Jews running things and, even more bizarrely, that their own secret cabal of Jews *should* be running things.
And that guy has hair that’s even better than Robby’s.
When it comes to a left wing actor, just assume the position is whatever Orwell would have written it as.
Disinformation Reporter? Anti-racism expert? Anti-fascist?
They are all exactly what Orwell would have written them to be
All "wingers" look pretty much the same to me.
That's what happens when critical thinking is not among your skills.
No, it's because they are pretty much the same.
What about Kip?
The ballerina?
bosom buddies?
"Flooding the zone with shit" is our god-given right. Who do these so-called "fact-checkers" think they are?
Meanwhile, if the "500 dead at a hospital" story did not raise a red flag the first time you heard it (not unlike the "40 decapitated babies" story), your credibility RADAR is bust. Seek help. (But maybe not from Ben...)
Those stories are not equivalent. I think Jesse covered that in another article pretty well yesterday. The hospital story was just pure propaganda bullshit for the get go.
"(not unlike the “40 decapitated babies” story), your credibility RADAR is bust."
Your ability to make an analogy is similarly busted.
There were 40 babies dead, some of them decapitated. The difference is minor, and really just differs in degree slightly. But the major facts were not different. Some were ONLY killed, shot, burned, or mutilated in other ways.
The Israel propaganda, almost every part was wrong. It wasn't Israel, it wasn't an airstrike it was a errant rocket, it was nowhere near 500 dead, it didn't actually hit the hospital, the hospital is still visibly there, etc.
You are a full on retard if you think these two things are anywhere in the same universe.
"...You are a full on retard..."
True. No qualifiers required.
That they both should have raised a red flag is the point, not that the stories (or the facts) are "equivalent".
So "full retard" is correct.
Never go full retard.
What happened to publishing only stories that are verified? I thought this was a cornerstone of the NYT that makes them trustworthy? I mean websites and news outlets all over the world publish crap every day. We are supposed to believe these "slightly" left of center sources of information are more careful. I guess the journalists viewed themselves as the fact checkers of HAMAS (i.e. the Gaza Health Ministry).
"What happened to publishing only stories that are verified?"
Haha good one. I needed that laugh. Mass shooting, Trump, Biden stories go on and on.
"Collins is treated as an expert in the burgeoning field of countering the spread of misinformation."
Walter Cronkite Award or George Orwell Award?
Is there a difference?
Orwell wrote better books?
Hasn’t history shown what a POS Mr. Cronkite was?
Ben Collins is a reporter for NBC News who specializes in coverage of disinformation and extremism, particularly on social media.
I wonder if this guy had even the slightest understanding he is Joseph Goebbels with a little less product in his hair and a little more sycophancy to the party?
When you look at Cronkite's reporting on the Tet Offensive, it is fitting that Collins won the award.
The “most trusted man in America” was a fraud.
Guy seems the very definition of a disinformation reporter as every thing he does is disinformation being reported for the regime.
If you want higher standards for journalism, you probably need to start with calling them something other than the Walter Cronkite Awards.
The Duranty Award For Truth in Journalism?
"...readers who squinted would have noticed that this was not the hospital, but a completely different target..."
Does the NYT have an internal "Duranty Award"?
Does the NYT have an internal “Duranty Award”?
They do, it’s a handjob from publisher AG Sulzberger
"Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Television Political Journalism."
Cronkite was a pinko marxist, so seems like a good choice. A Dan Rather award for truth in journalism may also be apt.
Funny how the press whines about how Trump lies all of the time...
What is it with all the main stream media throwing in with Hamas? The NYT should change its name to the Caliphate Times.
Anti-semites gotta do what anti-semites do.
Pandering to their readers. I mean, they gotta stay in business.
What is it with all the main stream media throwing in with Hamas?
It’s easy to explain.
The MSM hates the USA, and in their learning impaired, child-like view of the world, they think that makes them BFF’s with other groups that hate the USA, such as Hamas, the PLO, and the USSR before them. It also explains their unconditional support of BLM and indeed the fucking Democrat Party.
The same “journalists” that said they’d give Bill Clinton a blow job themselves are fine with making shit up for the towel heads.
That’s who’s going to decide what is and isn’t “misinformation” for us.
Fuck them, they’re ignorant and evil.
Aren't most reporters these days "disinformation reporters"?
They've captured the fact checking industry now, too???
When even NPR, of all places, runs a story pointing out that the absence of a crater and the absence of more extensive building damage is inconsistent with the claim of arial bombardment, then you know that blaming the hospital explosion on the Israeli bombing is fake news.
"Ben Collins is a reporter for NBC News who specializes in coverage of disinformation and extremism"
I don't think NBC has a reporter working the Gaza beat, and neither does any other Western media so information from there is always going to have an extra layer of sketchiness added on. Kyrgyzstan media covers Gaza directly, but not the New York Times. Al Jazeera of Qatar seems to have the most extensive and professional coverage, but it's not Western. Otherwise most of the stories seem attributed to unnamed 'sources at the Pentagon' and etc.
We can't expect much from disinformation reporters when they are sitting in an office in New York without any direct link to what happens on the ground. A part of the problem which Soave doesn't mention is the danger involved. In the past couple of weeks 13 journalists have been killed in Gaza, mostly by airstrikes, some by gunfire. 4 journalists killed in Israel, 1 in Lebanon, and a similar number of journalists wounded or missing. It's too costly to cover the news properly, both in dollars and lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
" On social media, people were able to challenge prevailing narratives that the expert class had blindly excepted. For instance, Community Notes—the crowd-sourced, Wikipedia-style fact-checking system on X—is often able to provide useful context about claims that appear on that platform."
I suspect that the coverage from the media like the NYT criticized here is also greatly informed by social media, which is just as prone to disinformation as anywhere. Truth is the first casualty of war, and the dearth of reporters on the ground only makes it harder to stay properly informed.
overheard someone talking about someone else was good enough evidence for the NY Times and dem media outlets during the first Trump impeachment. Why would they raise that standard?
"Why would they raise that standard?"
A newspaper isn't a court of law. They have deadlines for one, and competitors for another.
In the case you mention, be thankful that at least you know the reporter was reporting hearsay, and the info was presumably identified as such. I watched some NBC coverage of the events in Israel recently. It was conversation between several talking heads sitting in Washington and New York. Then, a phone conversation with NBC's foreign correspondent. Where this correspondent was located was never identified. Presumably not Washington, New York, or Israel, and certainly not Gaza. He could have been sitting on his balcony on the Cote d'Azur for all we know.
"A newspaper isn’t a court of law."
Ah yes, the excuse for failing to properly investigate and report. It's basically saying, journalists don't really have standards for being accurate, so they are free to do and say whatever they want since we shouldn't expect them to be accurate.
"Ah yes, the excuse for failing to properly investigate and report. "
How do you expect a reporter to properly investigate a story when an ocean lies between the reporter and the event reported on? How much credence are you willing to give any such story? Standards are fine, but they are no substitute for boots on the ground.
You again fail to address the issue. If someone isn't able to ascertain necessary information to write a story about a subject, then they shouldn't write a story about that subject.
Why do you like to play stupid so much?
He's not playing.
" If someone isn’t able to ascertain necessary information to write a story about a subject, then they shouldn’t write a story about that subject. "
I don't understand what you're driving at. American news outlets should ignore Gaza because it's too dangerous and expensive to set up a bureau there? Is that it or do you have something else in mind?
"Why do you like to play stupid so much?"
I know my audience.
Doubling down on stupid. We'll done.
No augment with boots on ground but the NYT makes a point of saying they verify their stories. Seems like they failed here (and often).
All the news that fits...
I expect reporters not to be omniscient but objective and to make an effort to obtain, and report, factual information.
And that includes corrections and retractions if necessary. Your boy failed that standard and no amount of dissembling can change that.
How much did you pay for that information? The media is just a business. If they make mistakes, get your money back.
What a remarkably dumb response.
I think that was Rachael Madcow's actual argument in court once. And she won.
She did use the “I’m just an entertainer and no one actually believes me” argument in a case and was successful. That’s why it was always funny when leftists would make fun of Tucker and Fox for asserting such a claim, not knowing that Maddow also used that defense.
What's really funny is the NYT has used similar defenses so they're not a news source to be believed but Alex Jones is apparently so truthful and straight in his reporting that people automatically take what he says as true.
Sir, I believe you may be missing the point of the article. Yes, Ben Collins reported mistaken information - and probably because all his friends were doing it. No problem. BUT, as the 'misinformation reporter', one would think he would check himself and his sources and failing that, correct himself by retracting his false story. [He failed at both; we might call that ironic if it weren't so predictable.] We all agree being a journalist in this warring region has been deadly for some. Mr. Collin's work of censoring all who don't parrot the accepted narrative is deadly to liberty.
"No problem. BUT, as the ‘misinformation reporter’, one would think he would check himself and his sources and failing that, correct himself by retracting his false story."
I don't care what kind of reporter he calls himself. If he's relying on secondary and derivative sources, anything he reports is going to be more doubtful than if there were NBC reporters working directly on the ground in Gaza. But there aren't any for the entire USA as far as I know. Yet Kyrgyzstan has a bureau there, as well as Qatar. You have to be some kind of idiot to think that such a set up is going to yield first rate info. It's the difference of eye witness testimony and hearsay, if you need a court analogy.
Yet the doj uses wapo, the nyt, and other left wing media outlets to investigate, charge, and convict people. But only in one direction
I know The Telegraph, a Tory rag in the UK, used to have a reporter on the ground in Gaza. I don't think they do any more. One of the better broadsheets. I used to appreciate the cryptic crossword they do. The Guardian and the Times puzzles were full of local references, celebrities, cricket, rugby and similar other topics making them insoluble. Let me know in the comments below if you have any favorite puzzle publishers.
Shorter JFree: 'Collins is expected to be a fuck up, but he's an establishment fuck up!'
"We can’t expect much from disinformation reporters when they are sitting in an office in New York without any direct link to what happens on the ground."
...then what good are they?
Hamas has a long history of inventing numbers.
What is the point of "disinformation" reporters if they will just report disinformation?
Israel said it was not them. He viewed that, clearly, as "disinformation" (he ignored it, after all).
"Israel said it was not them. "
So did Biden.
But "disinformation reporters" like Ben Collins parroted Hamas instead of saying the honest answer of "We do not know who did it".
Again, what use is he?
"Again, what use is he?"
To Hamas? Very useful. They rely on the press reporting Israeli atrocities both real and imaginary around the world. Hamas doesn't have the capacity to do it themselves. To Israel, he and all journalists reporting on Gaza are a pain in the ass. That's why they target them for death, and rely on military press officers and government spokespersons, not to mention Joe Biden, to put out their message. It's not just Israel, either. When Saudi Arabia took exception to a Washington Post journalist. they invented a pretext to get him into their embassy in Turkey and chopped him up into little pieces. Walter Cronkite should be thankful he didn't meet a similar fate.
Again, NBC has Collins on staff to avoid disinformation.
He, like all "fact checkers", are never what they are sold as.
"are never what they are sold as."
Welcome to the desert of the real.
So why defend that?
I'm not defending anything. I'm decrying the lack of solid American reportage from Gaza, an area of some consequence in recent weeks. Read my comments again if you doubt me.
I don't know Ben Collins. I don't watch NBC, and the whole column seems little more than a tempest in a tea cup. Someone on TV said something I disagree with! Give me a fucking break.
>>Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards?
onion? bee?
Alex Jones?
If the Walter Cronkite Awards’ standards for politically-biased disinformation journalism got any higher, they’d call themselves the Joseph Pulitzer Awards.
could have a Walter Duranty Award on the side like the Heisman.
“Misinformation” isn’t the magic word Democrats think it is. Indeed, it’s just a label they use to show what they’re currently lying about, days or even hours before their fucking gaslighting begins.
Like a lot of Current Year neo-marxists, they redefine words as convenient to suit their political agenda of the moment. This is why nothing they say should ever be taken at face value, because they're ALWAYS employing a jello-like definition.
Much like "fake news" was first a weapon of the media against Trump only to have it turned on them and their relentless lies, so too disinformation and misinformation will be applied truthfully and bite the media in the ass.
I loved the twitter response to him that said the disinformation, extremism, and social media expert for NBC peddled disinformation by extremists that he found on social media.
Perfectly encapsulated the pure garbage claim of being a "disinformation expert" when there is literally no such thing.
"when there is literally no such thing."
There are literally such things as disinformation specialists. If you can, check out David Hare's TV play, Licking Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licking_Hitler
It's about a Fleet Street journalist who joins military intelligence and cooks up scurrilous black propaganda for broadcast to the Nazis.
"Hare's immediate inspiration for the work was a chance encounter with Sefton Delmer, a former adviser to Winston Churchill and wartime broadcaster to Germany from Soldatensender Calais. Delmer's book Black Boomerang provided the factual basis for the play; but, using the same techniques he was to develop for his later verbatim theatre pieces such as The Permanent Way, Hare travelled Britain interviewing former propagandists and broadcasters to enhance his script.[4]"
True. There are definitely experts on creating disinformation.
Again, you fail to understand what is being discussed.
Mtrueman, the claim is not that people are out there peddling propaganda. Been done for decades.
Ben Collins, ALLEGEDLY, is an expert on sniffing out disinformation and exposing it.
He is clearly not able to do so.
"the claim is not that people are out there peddling propaganda."
The claim is that 'there is literally no such thing as a disinformation specialist.' I disagree.
The claim is there is no such thing as the disinformation expert as is currently used by politicians, the news media, and people like Ben Collins. This has nothing to do with purposefully spreading disinformation, it’s about claiming an expertise in spotting and calling out disinformation. You know, what used to simply be referred to as journalism. As such, the claim journalists and others make about being disinformation experts in this regard is complete sophistry.
I know playing dumb is your schtick in order to troll, but please embrace some level of genuine discussion.
I’m quoting your own words. If you wish to revise them in light of my comment, you’re welcome to. Nobody is controlling your speech, even you, apparently.
No, you're right, I wasn't specific enough for a trolling sea lion like you who purposefully plays dumb. Everyone else understands because we keep up on modern issues, but for people like you who spout nonsense, purposefully pretend to not understand, and engage in out-of-context argument in order to troll, it may go over your head requiring the commenter to dumb it down to five-year-old levels. But we all know that you'll still pretend not to understand, don't we?
When you've finished your whining, you might enjoy the TV play, Licking Hitler, by David Hare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbsR7S60hRA
The question of Hess. Nobody really believes that Hess flew to Britain on the Fuehrer's instructions. Hess flew to Britain for one very simple reason. Because he's a criminal lunatic. The worst of it is not what he's done, it is the fact that he once found his way to easily enter Hitler's confidence. As loyal Germans we must face the fact that Adolf Hitler chooses to surround himself with fools, ass lickers, traitors, time servers, megalomaniacs, and men who wish to rape their own mothers. God! God! When I think of the worms... When I think of the worms and I think of the cheap jacks when I think of the human excrement that is even now clogging up the innermost councils of the reich. When I think how badly divided our leaders are, how grossly they have miscalculated, how the pygmies scratch and jostle... Jostle around the Fuehrer's teats, how the gray beard eunuchs and slug like parvenus clot and congest the bloodstream of our nation then I Cry Lord I Cry for Germany.
It's noteworthy how the harangue is not directed to Germans, or even Hitler, but his minions, like Hess in this case.
Yes! Got you to a point where you attempt your nonsense deflection tactic! My goal has been met. Cheers!
"My goal has been met. "
Same here. I got you to the point where you're kvelling instead of kvetching. Anyways, enjoy the play.
Biden says Israel should not be filled with rage over the terror and hatred for Jews. The other team is just the other team, they only accidentally blew up a hospital. Oh yeah, there’s a Hamas member working for homeland security.
Seriously everyone-It’s apparent that this administration is willing to let Israel go the way of Hong Kong.
Global Socialist Climate Fascism is the goal. The only infighting is over who is in charge of rationing, banning and mandating. The Economist is back to Climate fascism.
Biden's team terminology made me shiver but what should I expect from the Doofus. It has been known forever that his best talent is to say something stupid.
I've noted that the only ones who want to control speech are the democrats/liberals. That lot has been infiltrated and taken over by radical left wing extremists and post modernist neo-Marxists.
" the only ones who want to control speech are the democrats/liberals."
Anyone with a job title that includes the words 'press officer' or 'spokesperson' wants to control speech. Rather, is impelled to control speech whether they want to or not.
Another bad analogy drawn from false equivalence.
I can't help it. I've been infiltrated and taken over by radical left wing extremists and post modernist neo-Marxists.
Nah, you’re just dumb.
Don't sell him short, he's also evil.
No you have always been cancer
There is a difference between wanting to get a particular message out and wanting to control speech. A spokesperson or press officer is not by definition trying to control speech. They might want to but releasing a message is far different than saying "you can't say that."
"There is a difference between wanting to get a particular message out and wanting to control speech."
Spoken like a spokesperson or press officer. Are you sure you haven't been infiltrated and taken over by radical left wing extremists and post modernist neo-Marxists?
So, using your definition, MTrueman is trying to control speech.
Discussion/debate is a lie, right?
"Discussion/debate is a lie, right?"
Only when it's infiltrated and taken over by radical left wing extremists and post modernist neo-Marxists. Otherwise it's god's honest truth.
The media has few problems calling out right-wing fabulists.
They tend to promote left-wing ones.
He's talking about controlling the speech of others.
Controlling the framing of how an issue is discussed more insidious. During the troubles that plagued Ireland a few year back, the British government sought to control the speech of Sinn Fein by banning the broadcast of their statements. The media got around this by simply hiring actors to read their press statements.
Again, you're pointing to actual censorship rather than framing. Framing isn't insidious if the framing is truthful and it isn't censorship, moron. Keep digging, you and your leftists comrades are making the entire world wake up to who the real Nazi/fascists are, and it isn't who you've been labeling fascists for decades.
"Again, you’re pointing to actual censorship rather than framing."
You mean the Brits banning Sinn Fein speakers? I know that's actual censorship, and I gave it as an example of how it's not difficult to circumvent. In this case, simply hiring actors to give voice to Sinn Fein. Framing is more insidious and not so easy to detect or circumvent. It's more what the hippies call a mind fuck. I don't know why you are so anxious to be uncivil and uncharitable, calling me a moron when a careful reading would reveal an agreement with me.
"Keep digging, you and your leftists comrades are making the entire world wake up to who the real Nazi/fascists are, and it isn’t who you’ve been labeling fascists for decades."
Again, you're not reading what I write. I don't call people fascist, I don't even call Nazis fascist. They're not, and neither are you. That's why I've not called you a fascist or Nazi. Maybe a Tory or right wing nationalist or a reactionary. These are my watch words.
Oh boy, nationalist so scary. As for tory, that's a stretch. Not British. Born on Fort Ord, California. Grew up in Idaho. Live in Northeast Montana. I've been called a redneck. Hillbilly. Whitey. Cracker (which are all kind of ironic since I'm part Sami on my father's side and part Jewish on my mother's but some people just see the blond hair, blue eyes and Scandinavian-German features and make assumptions). But Tory, that is definitely a first. Yeah, I'm a patriot. Think about America's interest first. Believe the Constitution matters. That America is the best country in the world. If that makes me a right wing nationalists, I'll gladly wear the label. At least I ain't so stupid I'm simping for people who rape, kill innocent women and children and kidnap innocent civilians. I might be just a simple country boy, but there ain't a lot of gray in this instance. Hamas doesn't deserve any sympathy and journalists who would rather push a false narrative than do their fucking jobs are lazy and useful patsies. Also, doubt I could be a Tory, ain't made to bend my knee to any man.
Fox hunting. For or against? For=Tory, against=communist. There ain't a lot of gray here, as you so colorlessly put it. You don't have to be British to be a Tory, a Jew to be a communist or German to be a Nazi. Ideas aren't bound by national or ethnic boundaries.
I understand you don't support Hamas. Which Palestinians do you favor, instead? Or is it the lot of them, tout court, you despise and condemn?
Kudos for the show of civility in not calling me a moron or fascist or Nazi, this time around.
Given who they're named after I'd say their standards are right about where they should be (Cronkite was an overrated, lying POS).
"(Cronkite was an overrated, lying POS)."
Worse, he was unembedded, and free to report as he wished.
Even if it was disinformation, right?
Because he was pretty bad about doing that.
"Even if it was disinformation, right?"
I'm not the one to ask. I'm not familiar with Cronkite's reporting and only spent a month in Vietnam long after the war was over. I do know that Vietnam was the last war where the US military allowed reporters to roam freely about the battle zone reporting as they saw fit.
Given that Cronkite lied about the Tet Offensive...I can hardly blame them.
War is unpleasant. That is reality.
The image of the S Vietnamese policeman who shot the prisoner led to some massive and thoroughly unjust condemnation of the officer, given what the prisoner had done.
Same with the image of the monks burning themselves. I doubt Cronkite was involved in either case.
Give us some examples of what Cronkite said during Vietnam that ended up being wrong. We'll wait.
Considering you don't know the difference between a guidance system for multiple munitions and munitions themselves, I'm going to guess you're incapable of understanding what his lies were and likely not to believe them, even if given a long list of citations.
[clears throat] I *said*... if the Walter Cronkite Awards’ standards for politically-biased disinformation journalism got any higher, they’d call themselves the Joseph Pulitzer Awards... The Pulitzer Awards... The Pulitz...[taps mic] is this thing on?
I came back and finally read the first sentence:
Ben Collins is a reporter for NBC News who specializes in coverage of disinformation
which is entirely more ridiculous than Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards? I wish I made it to the first sentence of the piece the first time I was here
The poorly educated and intellectually uncurios millennials run the newsrooms. They are a cancer and an enemy of the people.
No. They are often educated in Journalism schools. One of those things invented to indoctrinate them to think the proper way. Journalists didn't used to need degrees or at least they'd have ones that only helped their critical thinking and writing skills. Why does reporting even require anything beyond a HS diploma (for schools that graduates students that can operate at grade level)?
Walter Cronkite was also a liar, pushing VC propaganda during the Vietnam war
LOL. Name examples. Have your Bircher membership card ready.
His journalism on the Tet Offensive was incorrect. Doesn't take a "Bircher" to know this. Go read all about it.
On social media, people were able to challenge prevailing narratives that the expert class had blindly excepted.
Excepted or accepted?
An editor would certainly improve the joint.
It's not his fault.
Hamas gave him 'their word as a Biden!', and everyone knows those are the magic words to make the media believe anything you say with fanatical conviction.
From "Truth" by Terry Pratchett.
Mr. Slant, a vampire who is also an attorney "People are easily confused, and here I speak as one who has spent centuries in courtrooms. Apparently, they say, a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on. What an obnoxious little phrase, don’t you think?"
While Pratchett isn't the only one who has used a version of the saying, it has been attributed to many, I still remember laughing when I read it in the book.
Sir Terry was a treasure, his writing, whit, and observations will be missed dearly, and truth was one of his best works. Sam Vimes for President.
No, Robby. You're dead wrong. The NYT - for a change - was 100% correct. The explosion was a JDAM, supplied by the US, and it makes a very unique sound signature and 'report'.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231018-us-weapons-expert-debunks-israels-denial-of-gaza-hospital-strike/
@2:29 "It did seem to hit where it was intended to hit."
LOL. The guy is such a über-giga-chad military expert he can determine intent and point of aim from the sound signature and 'report'.
First, the JDAM isn't a missile, it's a guidance system that can be placed on several different types of general ordinance, and because it is used on gravity bombs, it would leave a crater, even on smaller munitions. It wouldn't make a a distinctive sound because it is just a guidance system for pre-existing gravity munitions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition
Fucking weapons expert doesn't even understand the difference between a guidance system and a munition. LOL.
Moron. Must be another disinformation 'expert'.
Must be another disinformation ‘expert’.
I’m not entirely sure about your feelings on military intelligence or any given intelligence analyst but I’m pretty sure the front-seat-of-their-car-on-their-iPhone TikTok-style intelligence analyst is probably the worst kind.
There are people who aren’t *military* experts parsing apart UFO videos with editing software and hunting ghosts with high speed cameras that are more credible than this guy.
The name is from love in ai, a Kurt vaughnagat story
Show us some of the "dis" and "misinformation" that you're claiming the MSM has provided in favor of, or on behalf of Hamas talking points. I'll wait...
Babies decapitated? DEBUNKED
260 victims at the Supernova music fest? ALL or MOST likely mowed down by indiscriminate IDF gun and tank fire.
Hamas rocket destroys hospital? DEBUNKED. No Hamas rocket has the exact same unique sound signature of an arriving or exploding US-made JDAM munition. Neither does any Hamas rocket travel at near supersonic speeds like the one for which video evidence exists supporting that it was an Israeli fired munition, coming from a fighter jet.
I am going to say anything you state is completely false after you tried to call the JDAM a munition with a distinctive report when it's a guidance system that can be utilized on four different classes of gravity munitions, none of which would be termed as having a 'distinctive' sound and all of which, being gravity munitions, would leave a crater. Another moron who doesn't take the time to do even basic research and ends up looking like an idiot.
none of which would be termed as having a ‘distinctive’ sound
As indicated above, the second watching of the video is just all-around stupid to the point that it should be laughable to anyone watching it and Daniel Griffith and Dr. Ormand von Kleigstadt should be embarrassed.
Even if they did have a distinctive sound, there isn't any actual analysis of the sounds in the video and/or the 'expert' doesn't act in any expert fashion beyond being an (not very good) expert at having ears. Really the essential expertise he performs is having a face to identify with the term expert while disagreeing with Tweets.
The audio between the two (three) videos isn't clearly synced, the mic in one video is clearly close enough to be distorted by the concussion of the blast but the other isn't. It seems like one blast was roughly twice as far away as the other but with all the layered video shenanigans and shittiness (even C- TikTokers manage to avoid static in their cars) it's hard to tell just by eye/ear. Even then, he doesn't say *what* about the sound is distinctive because, as indicated and clearly can be heard, the 'report' is not consistent between the two.
He may have a case that the two sound similar, but, as I obliquely indicated before, as bad as military intelligence can be, this is, at best, armchair anti-intelligence:
"I'm not at the scene taking fire so I've got practically all the time in the world I and have all the world's analytical capabilities at my disposal to figure out what actually happened, but forget all that, I'll tackle this with all the capability and expertise of an 8th Grade YouTuber... It'll be fine."
Critical thinking and skepticism are absent and probably beyond the current capabilities of our traditional media in general and The New York Times in particular. The latter propaganda dispensing broadsheet has abandoned the journalistic standards of such former stalwarts as Abe Rosenthal and Scotty Reston to again embrace its historically shameless ones of Guido Enderis, Walter Duranty, and Herbert Matthews. Anyone who thinks the journalice working for what now should be recognized as the N.Y. Slimes have a tradition of probity would do well to read Ashley Rindsberg's book, The Gray Lady Winked: How the New York Times 's Misreporting, Distortions & Fabrications Radically Alter History.
Is there a reason why comments debunking this post don’t show up? I’m still not seeing my post after hours of posting it. So you can just spread disinformation while claiming others are? And when we shred your claims our posts just don’t show up?
That's because no such "debunking" exists. You are creating disinformation yourself in claiming otherwise. Repent of that.
Robbie's lede, "Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards?" speaks volumes.
The iconic journalist's last science & technology fact checker wrote a UFO book promoting The Face on Mars.
I, for one, am shocked that a group of people who wantonly murder civilians would... murder civilians and then lie about it.
"Perhaps the Walter Cronkite Awards ought to have slightly higher standards?"
Why expect higher standards than the Pulitzer Prize? Their excuse for not retracting Walter Duranty's award is that we can't prove whether he lied or simply failed to notice what was in front of his face, implying that utter incompetence is OK with them (as long as it's in the service of Russian or International Socialism.)
GODFUCKINGDAMNIT! [Throws microphone down. Tosses mic stand into backdrop. Storms off stage.]
People working in the hospitable say they were warned by Israel to evacuate or risk dying. Al Jazeera reports an IDF spokesman confirmed they were warned. But given what Zionists have said and done in the past, why would you say it did not happen without a doubt?
First the Gaza hospital explosion was blamed on an Israeli bomb. Substantial evidence now seems to prove that is was an errant Muslim missile that was supposed to land in Israel but malfunctioned.
What about the 500 killed? Well, who said 500 were killed? Hamas did -- the voice of truth and honesty. No one questioned it (though I raised the a week ago).
Now it appears that the missile landed in the hospital parking lot. The hospital is still standing. Such a missile would NOT have killed 500 people. Estimates are much lower, but the truth is, no one knows outside of Hamas.
CAUTION: This latest info regarding a lower death count should be suspect as well. It may be propaganda from pro-Israeli sources.
But it DOES raise this point: Why is the MSM so prone to believe anything that Hamas says? Where's the old fashioned skepticism journalists are SUPPOSED to bring to their profession?