Federal Judge Declines To Stop Drag Show Ban at Texas College
The judge ruled that drag performances are not inherently expressive and that schools could regulate "vulgar and lewd" conduct.

A federal judge ruled today that a ban on drag shows at a Texas public university can remain in effect while a lawsuit challenging it proceeds, writing that drag performances are not categorically protected under the First Amendment.
U.S. District Judge for the Northern District of Texas Matthew Kacsmaryk, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, denied a motion for a preliminary injunction against West Texas A&M University from banning future drag shows on campus. Kacsmaryk also granted the university president, Walter Wendler, qualified immunity from the lawsuit, filed by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE).
"Because men dressed in attire stereotypically associated with women is not 'overtly political' in a category of performative conduct that runs the gamut of transvestism… it is not clearly established that all drag shows are inherently expressive," Kacsmaryk wrote.
And even if the performance in question did implicate the First Amendment, Kacsmaryk continued, the university was not forbidden from regulating obscene conduct.
"The First Amendment does not prevent school officials from restricting 'vulgar and lewd' conduct that would 'undermine the school's basic education mission'—particularly in settings where children are physically present," Kacsmaryk wrote, citing conservative sources such as the Manhattan Institute's Chris Rufo and Gays Against Groomers.
The legal battle began earlier this year, when a student group at West Texas A&M University, Spectrum WT, tried to schedule a charity drag show on campus in late March to raise money for LGBTQ+ suicide prevention.
However, Wendler canceled the event. In a blog post, he made it clear that he was personally offended by drag shows, claimed they degrade women, and compared them to blackface minstrel shows. Wendler also alluded to the fact that he was likely on the wrong side of the Constitution.
"A harmless drag show? Not possible," Wender wrote. "I will not appear to condone the diminishment of any group at the expense of impertinent gestures toward another group for any reason, even when the law of the land appears to require it."
FIRE filed a lawsuit in March on behalf of Spectrum WT against Wendler and several other Texas A&M University officials, arguing that drag performances are inherently expressive acts protected by the First Amendment. The suit called Wendler's edict banning drag shows "textbook viewpoint discrimination" that chills student speech.
Kacsmaryk's ruling only applies to early-stage motions in the lawsuit, which will continue. FIRE said in a statement today that it plans to appeal.
"FIRE strongly disagrees with the court's approach to First Amendment analysis and its conclusions," FIRE senior attorney JT Morris said in a press release. "We will appeal, and our fight for the expressive rights of these brave college students will continue."
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'"Drag is not a Crime" and we will beat you to a pulp if you disagree' - Auntie Fa
I was gonna say…
ETA: and Auntie Fa would be a great name for a drag queen.
What about a crime against aesthetics?
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I don't care if grown men (or little boys) want to dress up like women. But when they insist on doing so in front of little children, something is wrong. This is not like putting on a puppet show, or bits and pieces of Shakespeare. Drag shows are inherently sexual. They don't dress up as 80-year old aunt Bessie in floor length dresses, they dress up sexually, and that is not proper for little kids.
Moreover, this very President is the one that schooled the nation in Title IX and the current culture is the one that celebrated beating itself legally retarded with Bostock. If the University can ban women in women’s underwear shows, and it has looong been recognized that they can, they can ban men in women’s underwear shows equally. Anything else and you’re distinctly and deliberately discriminating against cis-het women.
Unless, of course, you want to turn back the clock on Title IX and/or re-decide Bostock first.
The tuck maneuver makes it title 8, plus a head.
Agreed.
The sexual deviates are determined to destroy American culture, and it absolutely delights them to use a constitutionally protected civil liberty in doing so.
Has it been established anywhere that children would be allowed at this university event?
Doing it in front of children is their kink. They’ll bus in kids if they have to.
Yeah, somebody is obsessed with kids, but I don’t think it’s the drag queens. I find it more than a bit ironic when supposed libertarians adopt the eternal battle cry of the slavers, “It’s for the children!
Isn't this university heavily dependent on tax dollars? I say if they can find money for this kind of performance they don't need the tax dollars. I don't care one bit if these students go to drag shows, but these are essentially tax funded drag shows. And what happened to "appropriating culture"? A non-Mexican can't wear a sombrero on Halloween but men can dress as women? It's kind of like every woman who says a republican (or anyone liberals don't like) sexually assaulted/offended them has to be believed but any woman who does the same per a D should shut the hell up.
Although details are thin about what was planned, it says the event was intended to be a fundraiser, which could mean that tickets would have to be purchased to attend.
So, it’s not clear that university money would be spent. Maybe they would pick up the electricity and janitorial bills if the event were being held on campus?
Bottom line is we don’t have a lot of details, so why are so many commenters here making assumptions.
You make an argument about cultural appropriation, but do you personally believe cultural appropriation is wrong.
I know I don’t. I think cultural borrowing is a good thing.
"they dress up sexually, and that is not proper for little kids."
I'll tell you someone else who dresses sexually, female women.
"Drag shows are inherently sexual"
Maybe for you. Not for me as a gay man. They leave me cold. If I were into drag queens, I'd better become straight and start loving real women.
And I guess drag shows leave true straight men cold, too, at least sexually.
Trans people have appropriated "drag".
It used to be naughty fun, as in Mrs. Doubtfire.
These days, it is autogynephilic exhibitionism.
I'm fairly sure Judge K will be overruled based on modern First Amendment jurisprudence, but is modern First Amendment jurisprudence *right*?
Is there a pre-1950s case where the 1A was held to protect cross-dressing, much less public exhibitions of this sort?
Is it a “public exhibition”? That it was intended to be a charity event could imply paying some kind of admission fee.
So, the public has to pay. They’re still the public.
That's why we draw a distinction with private clubs.
What distinction is this? Is there a specific court case you are referring to that established a distinction between a paid-admission event held in a public university space and a private club?
You mean aside from the fact that the public has to pay for it?
Are you that goddamn retarded?
Yes, yes he is goddamn retarded.
For your distinctions to be relevant to my point, you’d have to find a precedent before the 1950s when a drag show of any kind (private, public, whatever) had First Amendment protection at all, and if so whether it turned on the factors you've mentioned. Maybe there’s a decision like that – so go and look for it!
Huh? I’m not the one who brought it up. It’s *your* attempted legal distinction and the burden would be on you to find a case.
Still haven't found your right-to-cross-dress case pre-1950s, as I specified? Keep looking.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Shakespeare's all-male troupe of actors where the men did women's roles.
I mean, the parallels are uncanny. /sarc
It is inherently expressive. Arguing against that point should be condemned.
These cases are more about audience and venue. In most places there are public decency laws that drag shows arguably violate. The thing I question here is why the school has no say over events held on their property. Seems like a property rights issue more than a speech issue.
On another note, would a live sex show, orgy, strip show, or klan meeting seeking to use this space receive the same support and backlash?
Buffalo Bob is welcome to tuck his cock away and dance around his house with a feather boa. He is not welcome to do so at my house.
Holy hell is this story stupid and reason's outrage is especially silly
Well said. If a student refuses to cover their face at a university in protest of administration mandates is that not expressive, and I would add, political speech? Will FIRE come to their defense? Or is their outrage limited to dudes swinging their dicks around in front of kids. I've been to drag shows back when pretty much everyone agreed they were adults only events. Long may they prosper. 1A has nothing to do with it. If students are desperate to promote public drag shows I'm sure that their are multiple universities that will accommodate them.
It is inherently expressive.
IDK. Carrying a Starbucks cup is inherently expressive. That doesn’t mean the University can’t say “No outside food.” Heckling is a form of expression, Universities don’t and shouldn’t have to tolerate any/all hecklers.
Law aside, generating noise is definitively not sending a message. Specifically the opposite.
The property argument is the correct, libertarian, answer and, along those lines, FIRE is, once again, clearly in the wrong here.
I'll stand by my statement that it is expression. I'll also say it is constitutionally protected expression. 1A isn't carte blanche to do whatever expressive action you desire on someone else's property. This is Reason's opinion every time someone vaguely on the right gets booted off platforms for inoffensive speech that runs counter to the left. I will say that a more open forum should have fewer limitations that are applied even-handedly.
What, then, are they saying with a drag show one might ask?
I'm not disagreeing, just honestly not sure what the 'message' is there.
"The University must support and owes use of their facilities to suicidal LGBTQIATARD++ youth even if they're not enrolled."
If pressed, they might even say it out loud.
Express the idea all you like, someone answering "No." is not a violation of your 1A any more than compelling a "Yes." from them is a violation of their speech *and* association.
Where was “outrage” expressed above?
And how does a public university possess property that isn’t held in the public trust?
Why are you a champion for the sexualization of young children?
Young children are already sexualized. They are, from conception, male or female, or some mix of the two. Being exposed to men in women's clothes or vice versa doesn't change that.
"It is inherently expressive. Arguing against that point should be condemned."
I suppose a student who ran naked down the campus would be expressing *something.* Certainly spray-painting a building with slogans without the owner's consent is expressive. So that only begins the inquiry.
"tell ya what, if they dress like those rainbow ninjas in the pic they can put on their really big shoe." ~~ Walter Wendler
This judge is a hack. He should never have been accepted by the bar, much less allowed to apply for a Federal judgeship.
He’s a disgrace to the judiciary.
Cry harder.
Unlike this judge.
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The comparison of drag shows to blackface minstrel shows seems apt. That had never occurred to me before, but thinking about it now, it does seem likely that a few years down the road, Americans who aren't offended by them now might well view drag shows in the same light as once-fashionable blackface minstrel shows are viewed today --- as unnecessarily insulting via broad stereotyping and unflattering portrayal of a group of people.
The entire tranny movement is blatantly misogynist. Baffles me that any woman would tolerate this shit let alone promote it.
I guess it depends on the INTENT. Historically speaking, I don’t believe a man dressing up like a woman has always been viewed as synonymous with being a “tranny” if the conduct occurs in the context of show business. I can think of any number of movies where men dress up as women — Some Like It Hot, for one, and a scene from Bridge on the River Kwai, for another — where I don’t believe the content is taken as offensive to women or viewed as misogynistic. That, however, is quite different than these drag shows, so I suppose it’s a matter of intent and degree.
OK I'll clarify by saying the intent of the tranny movement is blatantly misogynist. I don't think John Cleese hates women. But all of those dudes with fake tits threatening to rape and dismember JK Rowlings obviously do.
I can agree with that --- and thanks for reminding me of Monty Python. Pretty sure there was no misogynistic intent in those hilarious bits.
It certainly hasn't had that connotation. In fact, men dressed like women pretty often in theater. The reason, of course, was that women were not allowed to be in productions...so...
Dylan Mulvany doesn't seem to have any problem with it.
So who is Bud Lite gonna hire next?
The federalist articles routinely refer to this as "being in womanface".
Do they call it "being in womanface" in relation to men dressing up as woman for showbiz purposes or for everyday purposes (or both)?
I ask because as far as I'm aware "blackface" was only done for showbiz purposes --- movies and minstral shows --- whereas men dress up as women for showbiz purposes AND personal purposes.
So it’s gender appropriation?
Does this legal conclusion, if affirmed by the Supreme Court, mean that public universities can ban strip shows?
Imagine if girls' clubs in universities performed strip shows.
I'd enroll.
They could raise more than money - - - - - - - -
Odd that there seem to be several experts here on the invariant sexual overtness of drag show content.
Jesus, just kill your self already.
I’ve been counseling him to commit suicide for years. Still hasn’t taken. Best thing for him really. His comments are going nowhere.
Wouldn't even had been an issue if it weren't for Commie-Education.
Did you mean: "This 'public university' shouldn't exist in the first place!"? If so, I agree.
(If a private college wants to allow drag-shows, I have no problem with that.)
Yes; Exactly what I meant. The very curse of public-education is that it was a Communist-Utopia to begin with and it's ever-growing faults should be recognized and correctly blamed.
I wonder who draws more people to the piano, drag queens or Christians?
What about Christian drag queens? Now there’s a mind bender. Make heads explode!
Got Noah singing about it raining men. Water to wine and all that.
Eat shit, pussy. Now run and hide.
I'll go along with the Orange One when he says "Build the Wall", as long as we build it around the state of Texas and seal all those idiot yahoos in so they can keep inbreeding to their hearts' content and not influence the rest of us.
MORE leftard projection. The "National Government has to do everything party" member thinks Texas is influencing them??? What a joke. How about a wall around CA to stops the Nazi fans from running away from their own stupidity?
"'The First Amendment does not prevent school officials from restricting 'vulgar and lewd' conduct that would 'undermine the school's basic education mission'—particularly in settings where children are physically present,...'"
I am wondering how many "children" would be at this fund-raiser on a university campus. And, if there were "children" present, shouldn't their presence be left up to their parents?
I like FIRE. I'm glad FIRE exists and is trying to pick up the ball the ACLU dropped.
Now then... "We will appeal, and our fight for the expressive rights of these brave college students will continue."
"Brave". Why are you assigning this completely unnecessary value to the students? Just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean you need to call them brave. If the Nazi's want to march down Main St, you can defend their right to do it without valorizing them.
“Just because someone wants to do something doesn’t mean you need to call them brave.”
Yep. “Persistent” might be a better term.
But listen. It's almost Halloween, so UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are we to see anyone dress up like a Mexican or a hula girl or an islamic terrorist or a hobo or an indian (the woop woop we trade much wampum kind, not the please to be helping you solve your computer problem what is your social security number kind) or a belly dancer or a sexy anything or a limp-wristed sissy saying, "Heeey boooiiiis."
Because that's offensive.
Only if you're an untreated mental health patient for which Halloween is a daily thing (especially in front of kids) do we suddenly flip 180 on this subject.
I can only say, good for that Judge.