The Pirate Preservationists
When keeping cultural archives safe means stepping outside the law

Long ago, when telephones were attached to walls and Sam Goody clerks roamed the earth, I stumbled onto a website whose proprietor possessed some of the sessions that Bob Dylan recorded with Johnny Cash back in 1969. One of the songs had gotten an official release, but the rest had been left in the vault, for most fans little more than an enticing legend.
It was 1996. In those days, acquiring illicit music on the internet was a low-tech, largely analog process. I sent the man an email, he agreed to share the recordings with me, I mailed him a blank cassette, and two months later the tape came back. It now contained one great performance—a cover of Carl Perkins' "Matchbox," with Perkins himself on guitar—and several endearingly sloppy ones.
The music's journey did not end there. I belonged to an email list for fans of the Kinks, and someone on it had promised to ship me some rare material by the band. In exchange for those tapes, I sent him copies of several items from my own stash of music, including the freshly acquired Dylan/Cash bootleg. Revisiting our 27-year-old correspondence, I see that at one point he told me that he could dub videotapes more quickly than audiotapes because he could copy the videos at his job.
Looking back from today, this process may sound absurdly inefficient. But it was much more efficient than the music-swapping subcultures that preceded it. With the internet, you could enter a few keywords into a search engine and find someone offering a recording that you knew only as a rumor. Or you could wander into a digital crowd of music nerds—not just the two or three you might happen to know in your day-to-day life—and discover what unknown wonders they had to share. The ethos was friendly and, for the most part, noncommercial. (When another member of the Kinks list offered me a recording that had been released in the U.K. but not the United States, I mailed her a blank tape and some cash to cover her shipping costs. She returned the money, telling me she didn't feel right about taking it.) The network was sprawling yet intimate, flourishing somewhere in the zone between the online and the offline.
Over time, the network moved deeper into cyberspace. People started collecting MP3s along with their tapes and vinyl. Napster came along, and other peer-to-peer networks followed; the music available became more copious, and the people providing it became more anonymous. (Fans were also more likely to download songs they could easily buy at the store, as opposed to rarities and ephemera.) Soon we had YouTube too, and it gradually evolved into an enormous repository for the world's audio/video odds and ends. The Internet Archive vastly expanded the kinds of material it collected, until it overflowed not just with replicas of defunct websites but with concert tapes, 78 rpm records, radio serials, video games, magazines, movies, and more. The official distributors of Content™ figured out how to make the internet work for them too: We got Spotify and Netflix and all the other streaming services that beam sounds and moving pictures to us today. The culture was digitized.
Then another mood started to emerge—part practical, part paranoid, part nostalgic. The streaming boom ended, or at least it started to recede; many companies started cutting back on their movie and TV catalogs, having calculated that the money they'd gain by offering as big a selection as possible was now smaller than the money they'd save by not paying residuals or licensing fees. (Sometimes there was the prospect of a big tax write-off too.) Even if you thought you'd bought something, you might lose access to it: A year after Sony's PlayStation stopped selling movies, it informed customers in two countries that they "will no longer be able to view your previously purchased Studio Canal content and it will be removed from your video library." The digital world seems vast, but how long will it last?
"Your local bookseller cannot creep into your home in the middle of the night and reclaim the contents of your bookshelf," the legal scholars Aaron Perzanowski and Jason Schultz observe in their 2016 book The End of Ownership. "But Amazon exercises a very different kind of practical power over your digital library. Your Kindle runs software written by Amazon, and it features a persistent network connection. That means Amazon can send it instructions—to delete a book or even replace it with a new version—without any intervention from you." The potential for mischief was clear as early as 2009, when someone started selling bootleg Kindle editions of George Orwell's 1984 and Amazon reacted by dispatching even some purchased copies to the memory hole.
The fearful mood intensifies whenever politics enters the picture. When books by Agatha Christie, Roald Dahl, and other long-dead authors were reedited to reflect what are said to be "contemporary sensitivities," many e-books were automatically updated even for readers who had bought them long before. During the George Floyd protests of 2020, several streaming services, unable to stop the abusive policing that set off the unrest, decided instead to edit or eliminate TV episodes where characters appeared in blackface. (This wasn't an anti-racist gesture so much as a cargo-cult copy of an anti-racist gesture—an elaborate imitation built without figuring out the functions of the component parts—and so it mostly affected shows that had presented blackface with obvious disapproval.) Several songs with words that might offend listeners have gone missing from Spotify or (as with Lizzo's "Grrrls," which originally included the term spaz) were replaced with new versions.
Every time news breaks of one of these deletions, a refrain echoes online: Buy physical media! The internet is too impermanent, the argument goes: The real cultural cornucopia was in the outside world.
As is often the case with nostalgia, this leaves out a lot. We still have access to far more media than we did in the days before the mass internet. Yes, this includes that politically controversial material: It takes less than a minute to dig up the unredacted version of "Grrrls" on YouTube (just search for lizzo grrrls spaz), and it's not hard to find material that was withdrawn from circulation long before the internet era. (I'm told the '90s were a less politically correct time than today, but back then you needed to track down a bootleg DVD or videotape if you were curious about Song of the South. Now it's posted on the Internet Archive.) It's too easy to take the internet's riches for granted and to forget how much was inaccessible just a few decades ago.
But while we shouldn't want to return to those pre-web days, there's something to be said for that online-offline hybrid space where my old tape-trading network dwelled—if not as a world to recreate, then as a way to think about cultural preservation. And there's something to be said for the bootleggers and pirates. Whether or not they mean to do it, they're salvaging pieces of our heritage.
We Are the Contraband Preservation Society
In the wake of WarnerMedia's merger with Discovery last year, one of the conglomerate's arms—the streaming service then known as HBO Max—canceled a bunch of shows. I don't merely mean that the company stopped making new episodes: The old episodes disappeared from the website too. Some of the missing programs popped up on other video-on-demand sites, but others, from the science fiction satire Made for Love to the family sitcom Gordita Chronicles, seemed to exit the internet entirely.
When this news broke, that familiar call went out on social media: Buy physical media! But these days shows are less likely to be sold as physical objects. Even if you still have a DVD player, they're inaccessible.
Unless you start poking around those file-sharing networks. At press time, both seasons of Made for Love are available in full on The Pirate Bay. When Gordita Chronicles disappeared, its showrunner complained to the public radio show Marketplace that it was now available only in her private collection and "on American Airlines or JetBlue flights to Miami or New York." But if you know where to look—and if you enter the words "Gordita Chronicles" in any BitTorrent client, it will tell you exactly where to look—you can still see every episode. If you want, you can even burn one to a disc and have that elusive physical copy.
That is cold comfort for any actors or writers still hoping to make money from the canceled shows. As a profit-generating enterprise, they are either dead or, at best, in suspended animation. But they're still there. When HBO pruned its library, the pirates became accidental preservationists.
This wasn't the first time that happened, and it will not be the last. Cultural artifacts have long been preserved by people acting either outside the law entirely or in a legal gray zone:
• F.W. Murnau's 1922 film Nosferatu is a critically acclaimed horror classic. It is also an unauthorized adaptation of Bram Stoker's novel Dracula. After Stoker's widow sued to stop it from being distributed, the German courts ordered that every print of the picture be destroyed. It survived only because a collector illegally kept a copy, which eventually made its way to the archives of the Cinémathèque Française.
• Both CBS and NBC initially prohibited their radio affiliates from airing prerecorded news reports. This posed problems for the West Coast, which was three hours behind the networks' New York studios, making it difficult to air important broadcasts while its listeners were actually awake. So KIRO, a CBS affiliate in Seattle, started making acetate-disc recordings on the down-low.
That broke the rules, but it's the only reason listeners today can hear CBS' on-the-scene coverage of the D-Day invasion. "That audio history of World War II really brings that war home, in some ways even more than Vietnam," says Feliks Banel, KIRO's resident historian. "The pictures are in your head."
• In 1968, a Nashville insurance salesman named Paul Simpson learned that most network news broadcasts were not retained for more than two weeks. This offended him in general terms—"he believed," the media historian Lucas Hilderbrand wrote in his 2009 book Inherent Vice, "that television news should be available to researchers just as old newspapers are available on microfilm at libraries." It also concerned him as a conservative, because he thought it eliminated evidence of liberal media bias.
So he started recording each network's nightly newscast, first as a short-term experiment and then on a more permanent basis. The Vanderbilt Television News Archive, which he co-founded, made the recordings available to historians, journalists, and others. CBS responded by suing for copyright infringement, demanding that the archive turn over the tapes to be destroyed. The court battle had not yet concluded when Congress settled the matter by passing a law permitting such projects.
• Until 1978, the BBC would habitually delete programs from its TV library, just to save storage space. Even shows as popular as The Avengers, Doctor Who, and Till Death Us Do Part (the model for the American sitcom All in the Family) have gaps in their histories—episodes that as far as we know simply don't exist anymore. But from time to time, an illicitly acquired copy of a lost program will resurface. One Doctor Who kinescope from the '60s turned up two decades later, the BBC reports, when someone bought it "from an elderly dealer at a car-boot sale."
By the time that ancient installment of Doctor Who showed up in 1983, a new era was beginning. Home video recorders were becoming more common, and the number of viewers capable of having their own personal copy of a TV broadcast skyrocketed. It was the beginning of the revolution that would eventually allow Made for Love to survive the HBO purge.
There was a time, after all, when almost every television series disappeared when it was canceled, at least as far as the average viewer was concerned. Even the shows that kept airing in syndicated reruns appeared according to the programmer's whims, not the audience's. With the VCR, a household could build a private TV archive and watch it whenever they wanted.
Many people, of course, would record a show to view just once and then tape over it: their own personal reenactment of the BBC's old retention policy. But not everyone did, and not everyone kept their video libraries to themselves. If you were an American fan of a British or Japanese TV show in the 1980s or 1990s, it could take a very long time for new episodes of the program to be broadcast in the States, if they ever made it here at all. But if you knew someone overseas who might tape them and mail them to you, you could gather a bunch of fellow fans, watch the episodes together, and create copies to circulate further. It was a lot like the music-trading scene that I plugged myself into in the '90s. And as it became easier to transmit video on the internet, this network, like the music network, moved deeper online.
Alongside these informal networks, formal (or at least semiformal) online libraries appeared as well. In her 2016 book Rogue Archives, Abigail De Kosnik of the Berkeley Center for New Media observed that such sites were pioneered by "amateurs, fans, hackers, pirates, and volunteers" who "never underwent training in library and information sciences…but designated themselves 'archivists' anyway, built freely accessible online archives, and began uploading." Their projects range from Project Gutenberg, which has been digitizing books since 1971, to the Archive of Our Own, a vast compendium of fan fiction and fan art. Inevitably, some of these websites enter legally dicey territories.
Even when an archive's feet are firmly planted on the safe side of the law, it may owe something to a gray or black market. Take the Video Game History Foundation, a nonprofit that preserves games and related artifacts. "We very, very, very much acknowledge piracy here at the Video Game History Foundation as a historically vital form of preservation, because there have often been no other methods to do so," the group's co-director, Kelsey Lewin, said on the Video Game History Hour podcast in April. She wishes there were more options: Later in the same show, she added that "redundancy is vital to preservation….We should not have to expect or require piracy as the only solution." But sometimes that's all there is.
Death Is Not the End
One unexpected effect of this migration to the internet was to blur the boundary between a blog and a music label.
Countless companies specialize in finding forgotten music, often released by regional or local labels that went out of business long ago, and repackaging it for modern listeners. Countless crate-diggers do essentially the same thing, but they post their finds on blogs, on YouTube channels, in Internet Archive collections, or as SoundCloud mixes. As streaming gradually displaced CDs, some reissue labels started posting playlists as well as publishing physical releases. This is not just true in the sense that, say, the Chicago-based Numero Group posts albums on Spotify. The same record label posts playlists on Spotify, the way any user can, which gives it a legal way to include songs it doesn't have the right to reissue itself.
At that point, the chief difference is that the labels usually make an effort to stay within the law while the bloggers and YouTubers are more likely simply to field the copyright takedown notices as they come. And even here there is a gray area.
Luke Owen has been in the music business for about a decade and a half, working mostly on the distribution side. In 2014 he founded Death Is Not The End, a small London label named for an Ethel Profit gospel song. While it releases some new music, the bulk of the company's catalog consists of obscure recordings that have entered the public domain, from Brazilian country music to Jamaican doo-wop to a field recording of a Native American psilocybin ceremony. Owen is also a DJ, and when a friend invited him to make a mix for a series called Blowing Up The Workshop, he made a tribute to the transmissions he had heard growing up in Bristol during the U.K.'s second great pirate radio boom. Owen's entry interspersed tapes of unlicensed broadcasts from the '80s and '90s with fuzz and static meant to simulate the experience of tuning an FM dial.
After a while, Owen started offering a tape of the mix on his label's Bandcamp page, under the title Bristol Pirates. As far as he was concerned, it belonged on the same shelf as the older music he releases. "Folk music isn't just what the Lomaxes recorded," he says, alluding to a family that traveled across 20th-century America collecting songs. "It is a vast cultural web that extends across many different boundaries. When it comes to specifically the pirate radio stuff, I believe them to be essentially field recordings of just as much cultural importance as old-timey folk, blues, and gospel." (That connection is reflected by his label's logo: While the company's name comes from that gospel song, the logo pays tribute to yet another Death Is Not the End, this one a 1992 album by the rave act Shut Up and Dance.)
Since then, Death Is Not The End has released multiple collections of samizdat tapes from raves and house parties, plus several albums of ads that aired on pirate stations. These are arguably even closer in spirit to field recordings, especially the two compilations of MCs doing a "pause for the cause"—that is, a promotion for a sponsor. But those ads, and indeed all these pirate-radio and rave releases, include fragments of copyrighted pop music, which means Owen and his label are at least potentially open to intellectual property suits.
This is, in a sense, an inversion of those illegal torrents of Gordita Chronicles: While those uploaders were engaged in piracy and inadvertently became preservationists in the process, Owen is engaged in preservation and in the process may have veered into what the law would call piracy. But he has arrived at the same intersection, even if he's arriving from the opposite direction. It's not so different from what a fan who loads vintage records onto YouTube is doing, but it's available not just as a stream but as a vinyl record or a cassette: physical formats that you can hold in your hand, that can't be zapped from afar by an overzealous copyright lawyer.
Or by anyone else. YouTube takes down content for all sorts of reasons. While it has plenty of storage space, people upload more than 270,000 hours of content to it each day; it is hardly inconceivable that Google, its parent company, will someday start its own reenactment of the BBC wiping the tapes. "Google is a Library the same way a Supermarket is a Food Museum," Jason Scott of the Internet Archive tweeted in 2021. "It should be treated as a pleasant/easy distribution point for videos, but they shift their rules and make choices with no input from the world." You never know how long something will be there.
"It is extremely vulnerable, having an archive available on YouTube," says Owen. "And by extension anywhere else. SoundCloud is the same. Mixcloud. Any of these other platforms."
The Internet Is Written in Pencil
One of the dumbest lines ever to appear in an Oscar-winning screenplay comes around halfway through The Social Network, Aaron Sorkin's 2010 biopic about Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg. It's in a scene where Zuckerberg's ex chews him out for insulting her on his LiveJournal. "The internet's not written in pencil, Mark," she says. "It's written in ink."
Even in 2010, this was clearly untrue: Webpages disappeared all the time, especially on LiveJournal. And when a page survived, it wasn't always legible. Links went dead. Animations stopped running. Photos shriveled into missing-image icons.
As early as 1999, Stewart Brand warned of a coming "digital dark age," pointing out in Library Journal how much was already obsolete: "You may have noticed that any files you carefully recorded on 5¼" floppy disks a few years ago are now unreadable. Not only have those disk drives disappeared, but so have the programs, operating systems, and machines that wrote the files….Your files may be intact, but they are as unrecoverable as if they never existed." Brand praised the work of the "vernacular archivists" building emulators online that allowed people to, say, play video games built for archaic formats. But despite such efforts, most of the internet sure seemed to be written in pencil, not ink. "Is the net itself profoundly robust and immortal," Brand asked, "or is it the most ephemeral digital artifact of all?"
Today, with so much more of our lives online, the question hits us more forcefully. Sometimes the internet has the memory of an elephant, and sometimes it's an amnesiac. I once went to an online archive and dug up a dispatch from my first-grade class that had appeared as a newspaper filler item in 1977. But there are comments posted to Facebook less than a year ago that have already melted into the ether. The same goes for music and motion pictures: Relatively recent YouTube videos have vanished, even as online archives overflow with paleolithic public-access TV shows and other relics that once seemed lost.
But as Brand said, physical media face their own struggles with obsolescence. The situation with discarded storage and playback technologies isn't as bad with movies or music as it is with video games or word-processing files—it's easier to get your hands on a VCR than a Kaypro-era disk drive—but you can still feel those antiquated formats slowly slipping out of reach. And of course, every medium has an expiration date. With a VHS tape, deterioration can become noticeable after as little as 10 years, depending on how the cassette is stored and how often it is played.
Preservation is a constant war against decay, a war where the losses outnumber the victories and the victories are only temporary. According to the Library of Congress, roughly 70 percent of silent-era movies are now gone completely and another 5 percent survive only in part. The library's list of lost sound recordings includes commercial releases by musicians as popular as Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, and Ethel Waters. The vast majority of NBC's pre-TV newscasts have disappeared; they're rumored to be rotting in a landfill in New Jersey.
The good news is that so many people have now joined the preservation fight, either deliberately or accidentally: The more distributed the effort, the less brittle and more resilient it will be. Like those music-swapping networks of the '90s, this web of preservationists is neither entirely online nor entirely offline. That's good too: If physical copies let you hang onto something when a stream is altered or removed, digital copies let you almost costlessly save and transmit items that otherwise would be scarce. I don't know the best way to keep our collective cultural archive alive, but I'm pretty sure it will involve an intricate interplay between the physical and the digital, not just one or the other.
And if something is saved, it can eventually resurface. Those Dylan/Cash sessions finally got an official release in 2019. I'm listening to them on Spotify as I write this. But I still have that cassette somewhere too. Just in case.
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Meanwhile, in the increasingly nanny state of the western US:
New Mexico governor issues order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque
New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on Friday issued an emergency order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque and the surrounding county for at least 30 days in response to a spate of gun violence.
The Democratic governor said she expects legal challenges but was compelled to act because of recent shootings, including the death of an 11-year-old boy outside a minor league baseball stadium this week.
The firearms suspension, classified as an emergency public health order, applies to open and concealed carry in most public places, from city sidewalks to urban recreational parks. The restriction is tied to a threshold for violent crime rates currently only met by the metropolitan Albuquerque. Police and licensed security guards are exempt from the temporary ban.
Lujan Grisham acknowledged not all law enforcement officials were on board with her decision.
“I welcome the debate and fight about how to make New Mexicans safer,” she said at a news conference, flanked by law enforcement officials.
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Why would you bring up a governer suspending the rights of citizens make the news at reason? They don't care about civil rights just the amount of melinin
We’re through the looking glass when Ted Lieu is the voice of sanity:
"I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."
But Lujan is a woman, minority, and Democrat, so Constitutional principles do not apply to her.
Another leftist insurrection in California as communist activists storm school board meeting as they attempt to vote for parental notification laws.
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Do you have a link?
Old news: second hand smoke is bad and we should ban it from public space.
New news: meth and crack second hand smoke isn't bad for you, let the druggie light up.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/09/09/relax-commuters-a-study-says-crackheads-smoking-drugs-in-buses-and-trains-arent-a-health-hazard-we-have-questions-n1725572
Just wear a mask!
/rassberryasshole
There's no contradiction there, they're different things, smoked in different ways.
Banning crack-smoking from public transport seems like a good idea because people on crack are insane, not because of any secondhand health hazard.
“Smoke from burning drugs isn’t dangerous “
/idiotdavedave
Do you think burning drugs just gives off water vapor or something?
See it through the simple mind of Dave: tobacco is bad but illegal drugs are good. Because reasons.
"There’s no contradiction there, they’re different things, smoked in different ways."
Alright, Shrike's just rusing us for kicks now. Not even he can mean it.
Why can't I get crack and/or meth as e-liquid for an e-cigarette?
I enjoy the idea that your kindle issues you an “updated” version of a book you own without your permission. Gives you a safe feeling.
Please, kindle, protect me from the N-word! And any content that questions the narrative, as of this week.
The N word?
Is that niggers or naggers?
I think it's actually "Dinger" now.
So, the D-word?
Donald?
No, he's the T-word
Wall Street Fears a Too-Hot Economy as Recession Bets Plunge
Asset prices are diverging from positive data in rare split
S&P 500 sees 22% likelihood of contraction vs. 98% in October
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-09/wall-street-fears-a-too-hot-economy-as-recession-bets-plunge#xj4y7vzkg
Hot economy = higher Fed funds rate = higher interest rates = lower equity prices.
(for novices like JesseAz who don't know what "fiscal year" means)
You ran away yesterday quite quickly shrike. Is it the end of September yet? Know what end of quarter billing is? Why did you switch socks and ignore the thread after being embarrassed? Lol.
Must be so embarrassing for you to post projection after projection constantly revised down under Biden.
I will post this again for you.
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/recent_spending
Also why do you keep ignoring congress role in spending. Trump couldn't veto spending bills due to votes, Joe could. Yet you blame the prior while defending the latter.
Keep defending Joe at all costs shrike.
Know what end of quarter billing is?
It is some stupid-ass term you stumbled on to.
You’re probably referring to what we call “revenue recognition”. Anyway it is a private market concept when a company reports income without receiving it. The federal government operates on a cash basis.
The important thing is that the economy is hot with no recession on the horizon. But the Fed is busy trying to cool it off.
You can just say no and stop embarrassing yourself.
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/billing-quarter
Why do you keep posting yearly spending before the year is over shrike? Do you know what calendars are?
Lawinsider?
That is the height of ignorance.. Your attempt to compare federal expenditures to a lawyer's simple time and billing is absurd. You are completely naive. It's like you've never had a job past fast food.
Hey retard. I work as a contractor with the government. All of the companies incentive fees and hardware buys are sent during quarterly EAC reviews to the government. Hourly wages are billed monthly. Almost everything else is quarterly.
You can admit your ignorance now.
So federal expenditures will spike in late September?
No. We will look later and Fatass Donnie will still hold the highest annual spending after this fiscal year ends on Oct 1.
Again - Trump holds the record for increasing government size.
Until it is broken about year 2026.
Did you just admit you had no fucking clue how billing works. Lol.
And again. Because you are too dumb. Those spikes in bills were the fault of veto proof expenditures in congress. But you dont want to blame Chuck and Nancy. Joe could have vetoed his spending, he didn't.
LOL, JesseAz is living off the government teat.
How would you know, you have half the comment board muted.
Lots of people that have posted here over the years have been government contractors, not sure how that disqualifies them from having opinions on how fucked the government is.
"Again – Trump holds the record for increasing government size."
You misspelled Pelosi again.
Jesse, don’t engage the nazi supporting pedofile
(note spb posted child porn and supports George soros a literal nazi)
No.
I enjoy watching Pluggo get his daily beat down, and his flailing and progressively stupider responses.
Let me ask you shrike. Do you think every time a hospital performs a procedure covered by Medicare they bill the feds immediately? Are you that stupid?
Hmm, I’ve never thought about it before but it would be interesting to know what JesseAz does for a living, if anything.
Why?
Morning Mr. Smears, if you didn't have everyone on mute you would have known.
It is pretty obvious to people who don’t mute everyone Mike.
I even give a big hint in this thread.
Streaming is the end of media history. At least without a means to locally hold copies.
We seriously need to burn current CR laws to the ground and replace them with a sane system much closer to the original intent. I.e. A short term protection for creators to ensure they make SOME money off of their creations before they become public property. Not some kind of moral or legal right of ownership over something for a century, and long past the creators life.
Uh, sure. And let's do the same with houses and cars and bicycles and sandwiches. Like all communal economies you can make anything you want but it immediately belongs to everyone.
There's a significant difference between a car and a recording, particularly a digital recording. A car is a physical object which can't be duplicated. If I take your car, I've actually taken something from you.
If I make a copy of a digital recording, you still have yours. I haven't taken anything away from you.
There might be good arguments in favor of the massively extended copyright period that now exists. Yours, however, was not one of them.
So, if I work for 5 years to build a physical thing I can own it. But if I work just as hard for 5 years to build a design for a physical thing, or a non-physical thing, then you are entitled to have it.
Sounds pretty communal to me.
But if I work just as hard for 5 years to build a design for a physical thing, or a non-physical thing, then you are entitled to have it.
By your own precepts, unless you spent 5 yrs. in a Chinese Room designing the thing, you owe at least one somebody for some part of it, likely many somebodies for many parts.
Hate to tell you but nothing communal about it. That is and was the default for media and art for all of history. Even after the relatively new concept of the CR. Which was only meant to last for a few years to ensure a creator wasn't forced out of their own market for their product.. with the goal of incentivizing the creation of more works (the original and sole intent of CR) not ensuring the creator made as much money as possible and certainly not to ensure their total control over a work. (it's in the name, COPY right... not IP right or story right)
It was only in modern times that certain big media corps (like disney) forced through endless extensions and extra controls. Companies I might add, that were built on the works of other people, now in public domain, works that would still be locked away under new current CR rules. Stop shilling for people and organizations that never created anything, just licenses and media "rights".
Lastly. Your argument utterly fails because all of those things require someone take something, a copy of a book or song, doesn't take anything from anyone, nor does it cost anybody anything.
I agree with you.
“To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for *****limited***** Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries”
Today it has become so extended it's not even "to Authors and Inventors" but to grand-kids and great grand-kids leeching off the monopoly of it. It really should be specifically for the actual Authors and Inventors and *limited* timed.
Sure. And then put the same lifetime limitations on ownership of real property.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not the same.
Well, if you never create non-physical things that you hope to exchange for value, then you probably don't care.
This
The problem is; Intellectual Property isn’t just ensuring one’s rights to their ideas/plans – it’s also blocking others rights to come up with something identical or enhance upon that idea/plan.
“Hey this is a better way to do things” — Has to check if someone else has monopoly on said-something just discovered without the other persons pretenses.
Think of a state where the wheel has to be constantly re-invented because of Intellectual Property rights.
...but I'll also note specific wording there: To promote the Progress of Science (Intellectual Property) and *useful* Arts... Frankly: Entertainment is a pretty far shot from the word 'useful'.
I wonder, though, whether "useful" had the same meaning then as now.
Your point about the IP being good only for the lifetime of the creator is a good one, though like many obvious Constitutional ideas would nonetheless lose in court on the grounds of FYTW.
Why should the lifetime of the creator matter? It should be for a fixed period from publication, like it used to was.
I’ve typed up a response like three fucking times before the goddamn website reloads on my phone.
Get your shit together, Reason.
Earth, I’ll try again later.
Let's try this again:
I'm an architect and engineer, I literally create non-physical things every day. I can't help who gets inspired by a plan I draw or building that gets built and decides to recreate my design. Nor would I want to stifle that creative process. Last time I checked (admittedly probably a decade ago), copyright for my profession only covers the physical plans, which is how I think it should be.
I think TJJ is right and CR law has become a monstrosity that is no where near what anyone intended it to be.
(Not exactly what I was trying to say an hour ago, but I think you get the gist of my argument.)
I wouldn't be surprised if there are some pirates who haven't already cracked the code for copying streaming media.
Has anyone here junked their dvd or bluray player?
I still have a blu-ray player, but the manufacturer stopped supporting it. The end result is it doesn't get new updates, so it can't play new blu-rays with different decryption codes. Piece of shit tech. They tried too hard to protect content.
I have the original Star Wars trilogy on BetaMAX just so that I have a version that George Lucas didn't fuck with a few decades later.
Even if not true, nice!
Trump really needs to take the "L" on this one and apologize. He got suckered and should admit it.
Brian Kemp: The fact is former president Trump led the opposition to my decision to reopen Georgia - the first state in the country to do so.
While he listened to Fauci & parroted media talking points, I listened to hardworking Georgians.
He may not remember, but I sure as hell do.
Saw this post afterwards that makes me think too:
"Brian Kemp is lying about Trump being opposed to him opening up the states. Trump had been calling on the states to reopen long before Kemp actually reopened his. The only issue Trump had with Kemp reopening when he did was that he wasn't following federal guidelines which said cases should be at a certain level before States started reopening. But he even told kemp it was ultimately up to him.
Kemp is such a f*king weasel.I'm getting awfully tired of these Never Trumpers rewriting history on COVID and other things. Trump led the way on states reopening. People like Kemp and DeSantis followed. Not the other way around. Trump, as president couldn't actually get the states to open but he was the ones telling them to do it."
Don't know about Georgia in particular but from my recollection both things are kinda true. Trump clearly got rolled by the deep state covidians. He was out of his depth and deferred to people who did not deserve his trust. And it wasn't the first time he made that mistake. In his defense, the entire scam was unprecedented and he was under constant assault in the media (including Reason). He deserves credit for aggressively removing regulatory barriers to Operation Warpspeed. But as it turned out the "vaccine" wasn't a vaccine at all. I would like to see Trump own up to his mistakes but he probably won't. On the other hand I think he's a lot wiser now than he was then and I doubt if elected in 2024 he'd make that mistake again.
But as it turned out the “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all
Why, because it didn't come from cowpox?
Massive errors in FBI’s Active Shooting Reports from 2014-2022 regarding cases where civilians stop attacks: Instead of 4.6%, the correct number is at least 35.7%. In 2022, it is at least 41.3%. Excluding gun-free zones, it averaged over 63.5%.
Those weren't errors. That was deliberate.
They were all errors, they were all supposed to be deleted so the reported rate was 0%
Like jobs and inflation numbers.
Yeah. The problem was the first couple ASRs from 2012 and 2013 demonstrated that civilians armed or unarmed were, at worst, roughly on par with LEOs at stopping active shooters percentage-wise and were overwhelmingly better at reducing time-to-resolution and minimizing casualties. Which made the FBI and police look bad but only reinforces the plain causality concept (a.k.a. common sense) "When seconds count, LEOs are minutes away."
He's gonna build a border wall.
How the fuck do these idiots propose to enforce an international border inside the US? Will federal marshals set up check points in Oklahoma? Trump's remain in Mexico policy actually worked because we already have a fucking border there.
Force immigrants to stay in Texas and Arizona? Any voting benefits for Democrats?
Obviously.
Also an added bonus is it keeps those icky immigrants out of the “overrun” sanctuary cities.
Where the "good" elite people live? I mean the ones who have extra sympathy for immigrants, not the evil factory owners.
Exactly! You know,’places like Marthas Vineyard.
Really good piece. The point about organized, permitted activity actually causing less cultural preservation is a good one. The idea of patents was a trade-off to encourage creativity, similar with copyright. If it discourages the societal valuing and preservation of the artifacts, it’s not doing a good job. The hyper-technical aspects of the law often misalign with preservation and common sense.
This is similar in the realm of antiquities. The fetishization of native items and antiquities undermines the protection of them. Many people have a lemming mentality that these things are for museums, or other craven presumptions that individuals should not own them. A sort-of secret of the museum business is the vast stores of materials that can’t be shown, and often can’t even be preserved. The basement, the annex, deaccessioning, and things just rotting or decaying. Communitarian dislike of individual ownership damns vast quantities of items to destruction, including those in the ground that can’t be excavated by essentially BS experts with lab costs and masks, toothbrushes and grids. Analogous to the “expert” cult of groupthink medicine and science. So you see things like the mass destruction in places like the Brazilian national museum and various other tragedies. While clowns like the New York County DA prosecute people who own and make a market. Righteous idiocy.
Very interesting article!
One of the weirdest offshoots of all the musical content on YouTube, that I would have never predicted in a thousand years, are “reaction videos” where someone can become semi-famous and earn $$$ by sitting there and listening to music.
The best feature talented musicians with charismatic personalities who add interesting commentary, but there are many by people who just sit there and listen to the video with no particular value added.
Sounds boring. Why would you watch that?
Mike's very pretentious and enjoys looking down on the humble pleasures of others.
Elites (or wanna-be elites) gotta be elite.
Mike's also full of shit and a liar.
Did you require a teacher to help you stretch enough to suck your own dick or did you do it on your own?
I can just imagine the insightful comment Mother’s added to the conversation.
As if to prove his point….. lol.
Sarc's just full of shit. Fuck off and die, asshole.
While things that disappear off the internet are less of a concern, because those things can be saved, it's the things the change mysteriously, while the people that control the content look at you in the face like nothing happened.
Objective, factual history is white male oppression.
And then there are ancient geezers like Joe Biden who still haven’t caught on that the speeches they give at the Elks club in Iowa or the union hall in Chicago are all on the Internet where everyone sees them and can catch him talking out of both sides of his mouth, plagiarizing, or making up false stories about his life.
SF Chronicle yesterday:
"Talks to keep insurers from departing fail"
[...]
"Legislators, insurers and Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara had been trying to stave off concerns of an insurance crisis in California -- a state that boasts the strongest insurance protections for consumers in the country -- in confidential, closed-door talks..."
(can't find a link; had to key-stroke)
Seems those 'strongest protections' aren't worth shit. And I'm certain the legislators and the Insurance Commissioner are entirely too stupid to make the obvious connection between those 'protections' and the insurers bailing out.
“We should force them to stay”
/typical prog in cali.
Nationalize the insurance companies! Then we can cut premiums and accept all claims!
It will run better without profits getting in the way!
There are supposedly educated people who believe that in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
You can still get floppy drives. At least as of a few years ago, some server drivers were only available on floppy disk.
You’d be surprised what people still use. I’ve seen point-of-sale systems clearly written in the DOS era and emulations of even older machines used as key business systems. Supposedly, some organizations are still using and maintaining IBM’s OS/2. Also, the long forgotten operating system Multics didn’t go extinct until around the year 2000 or not long after. Institutions can become their own preservation societies to maintain critical parts of their infrastructure that no else supports.
Two things
1st: Kazaa > Napster
2nd: you forgot to mention how MST3K used to encourage fans to videotape and distribute the episodes
the Dead always encouraged crowd-recording we traded tapes until people stopped using tapes
also I meant to compliment the pic of what is obviously your own stuff